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Plant Identification => Plant Identification Questions and Answers => Topic started by: Kees Jan on November 11, 2011, 07:02:19 PM
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Can anyone help me with some names of plants that I photographed in eastern Turkey recently?
The plant on the first picture has rosettes about 10cm in diameter and I have the impression that it's a biannual.
2nd picture is a tiny Colchicum photographed in the mountains near Akdag, northern Turkey, just northwest of Amasya. I think C. umbrosum is the only small autumnal species mentioned from this part of Turkey in the 'Flora of Turkey', but having seen umbrosum elsewhere in Turkey I think this is something different.
And finally what seems to be a very nice Centaurea, photographed in the mountains west of Erzincan.
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Here are a few others that would like to know their name...
First there is what might be the most spectacular Crataegus I have ever seen... Photographed between Malatya and Darende. Could it be a form of C. azarolus?
Then there is what I suppose must be some sort of Aster... Photographed between Erzurum and the Kurdish town Doğubayazit.
... a Linum, photographed just north of Erzincan
And finally, Thymus, Satureja or something similar, also photographed just north of Erzincan.
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The Crataegus looks more like C. orientalis to me. Can't say anything about the other plants though.
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Thanks Thomas! :)
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Nice Linum, too.... might it be L. mucronatum ?
Now connected to L. pamphyllicum........ ??? http://www.sekj.org/PDF/anbf43/anbf43-077.pdf
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sounds like a complicated group of plants, but I suppose it may well be L. mucronulatum. Thanks! In another publication L. mucronulatum is the only yellow species mentioned from the province of Erzincan: http://journals.tubitak.gov.tr/botany/issues/bot-08-32-4/bot-32-4-2-0705-4.pdf
Here is another challenge, photographed east of Erzurum. I thought it was Salvia argentea for a moment, but it probably isn't... Don't have a clue what it is though, although it must be Lamiaceae I suppose.
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I hope you find a name for that wonderful woolly. I love plants like this. :D
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Love that succulent rosette with the teeth: bet it is a crucifer...will check my Flora of Turkey at work this week and see if there is a biennial, succulent crucifer like that. Did you get seed?
The Centaurea looks VERY CLOSE to C. cyanus (the common bachelor's button): it is in that complex for sure...
Likewise your Salvia is in the same complex as Salvia argentea, and looks almost identical to my plants of that. The only close relatives (S. microstegia, S. aethiopsis, S. ceratophylla) have much more deeply incised leaves (progressively). Salvia candidissima is in the same complex, but very small (as is S. frigida): I assume the leaves are at least 15 cm wide?
Love that Thymus: don't have a clue which one, alas!
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That last one certainly look exactly like what I've grown as Saliva argentea in the past. The most wonderful leaves, and excellent head of flowers when it is happy too. 8)
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Thanks for your help Panayoti and Paul! I did not collect any seed during this trip, not that there was any sign of either inflorescence or seedheads in the succulent crucifer, just rosettes ??? ::) ???!
Can anyone help me with a name of this Quercus, photographed at Arsemia, Nemrut Dag National Park?
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There is of course, the Turkey Oak Quercus cerris. I have a good one in my garden but there's not really enough in your picture to tell if they are the same Kees. Although mine is about 18 years old and is almost 20ft high, it hasn't had acorns yet.
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The leaf in the picture is not quite as I remember but google images show some variability. this picture of the acorns in Q cerris is a good match though
http://www.deeproot.co.uk/pbo/plantdetail.php?plantname=Quercus+cerris
this picture is a better match for the foliage
http://www.rogerstreesandshrubs.com/gallery/DisplayBlock~bid~8207~gid~~source~gallerydefault.asp
and this more resembles the trees we had when I was a child.
http://www.havlis.cz/karta_en.php?kytkaid=1054
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Thanks. Here are a few more pics of this tree... leaves must be very variable. The acorns seem to be typical of cerris, but I thought cerris had very different leaves. This publication http://fbe.dumlupinar.edu.tr/dergi_son/sayilar/fbe_sayi7/11.pdf seems to confirm that Quercus cerris var. cerris grows in Nemrut Dag NP (Adiyaman province) ;), not that I can read Turkish ofcourse... :-[
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The leaves in your leaf link do look quite like mine Peter. I find in the autumn the leaves turn to a rich tan usually but golden/tan in the evening sun and are very gorgeous. They are persistent on the tree through winter even with strong winds and take a lot of time to rot down after falling. I do like those acorns so hope mine bears soon. :)
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Here is a very different oak photographed between Diyabakir and Sanliurfa. Any suggestions? It IS an oak isn't it :o ::)?
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Could it be Quercus pontica?
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Thanks, but it is probably not pontica, which seems to be restricted to a small part of NE Turkey according to the distribution map in the following publication: http://www.pakbs.org/pjbot/PDFs/41(5)/PJB41(5)2445.pdf . My photographs are from southern Turkey, perhaps 100km east of Sanliurfa.
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One more mystery solved thanks to Prof. Dr. Hayri Duman :) :) :)! The very unusual crucifer with a Crassulaceous appearance shown in one of my previous messages is in fact the rare Cochlearia sempervivum Boiss. & Bal. :o :o :o This plant is a Nickel (Ni) accumulator restricted to serpentine soils in Turkey. The plant is also mentioned in http://journals.tubitak.gov.tr/botany/issues/bot-04-28-1-2/bot-28-1-2-14-0208-15.pdf and this publication includes a map showing areas of ultramafic geology... There is lots of it around Erzincan, where we found our Cochlearia.
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One more mystery solved thanks to Prof. Dr. Hayri Duman :) :) :)! The very unusual crucifer with a Crassulaceous appearance shown in one of my previous messages is in fact the rare Cochlearia sempervivum Boiss. & Bal. :o :o :o This plant is a Nickel (Ni) accumulator restricted to serpentine soils in Turkey. The plant is also mentioned in http://journals.tubitak.gov.tr/botany/issues/bot-04-28-1-2/bot-28-1-2-14-0208-15.pdf and this publication includes a map showing areas of ultramafic geology... There is lots of it around Erzincan, where we found our Cochlearia.
That is most interesting, Kees.... marvelous to have that update, thank you.
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How about this quote from the publication I just mentioned: "There is a real possibility that some of the Turkish Ni accumulating species will be useful in the future (not only in Turkey) for phytoremediation (removal of Ni from soils superficially contaminated by smelter fallout), and for phytomining."
Phytomining nickel :o :o :o :o :o, never heard of the concept! Remarkable :o!
By the way, the Centaurea, also shown above and photographed on the same mountain may also be a serpentine endemic, according to the same publication many Turkish Centaurea species are...
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The Quercus shown earlier and initially identified as Q. cerris seems to be Q. brantii, which has somewhat similar fruits! I don't think the leaves on my pics matched Q. cerris and today I found out that the fruits turned out to have much less 'moss' than in Q. cerris (named moss-oak in Dutch)...
About 60km north of were my pics of Q. brantii were taken Marijn van den Brink photographed true Q. cerris during this trip. Here are pics of both species that show the difference in both fruit and leaves (first cerris, the 2nd brantii!).
As is so often the case, it is not nearly complicated as initially thought, once you know how to separte them! Isn't it typical... Both species are in Section Cerris, the Turkey oak and its relatives, quite a large group of oaks named after Q. cerris...
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The top picture is what we used to grow as Q cerris. -glad to know the distinction Kees.
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Here is a very different oak photographed between Diyabakir and Sanliurfa. Any suggestions? It IS an oak isn't it :o ::)?
Kees,
If an oak, I'd have no idea, but for some reason it reminds me strongly of some of the Elaegnus? Not had a huge amount of experience of them, but my first thought when I was it was of that genus, so I thought I'd mention it just in case?
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Yes, Quercus brantii looks quite similar to some Elaeagnus in leaf, it's an oak though.
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The second picture in this thread is now confirmed as Colchicum umbrosum by an authority on Colchicum :)!
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Kees,
I have a Quercus brantii from a wild source. But can't say if the identification is correct. It is a 4 year old seedling and not a lot of leaves on the plant.
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Here is my Quercus cerris. I'm pretty sure it is true. When we moved here 15 years ago it and a red/black Fagus sylvatica were the only plants worth their space - on 2 acres!
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Here is my Quercus cerris. I'm pretty sure it is true. When we moved here 15 years ago it and a red/black Fagus sylvatica were the only plants were their space - on 2 acres!
And a handsome species it is!
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I just posted a mistery Sempervivum from Zigana Pass NE Turkey in a sempervivum and jovibarba thread at http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5315.150
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Yes, and I did some research and gave a reply. :D
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Excellent, two sempervivums identified thanks to you and the Scottish Rock Forum! :)