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Title: New Cornus
Post by: mark smyth on November 05, 2011, 10:31:06 PM
Three years ago I was given 3 cuttings from a new Cornus by Chris Sanders. I now cant remember the name but think it was something like Arnie's Orange. Is there such a plant?

Only one survived to year two. In its first year it did nothing other than produce a few years. Last year it grew a few very short stems. This year it has taken off

Here are some photos taken today
Title: Re: New Cornus
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 06, 2011, 08:01:36 AM
Well done Mark and Arnie too. What an incredible colour to light the dullest day. I hope this one finds its way to NZ at some stage. I think there are still a couple of nurserymen importing such things having jumped through all the hoops required by MAF and EPA.
Title: Re: New Cornus
Post by: Garden Prince on November 06, 2011, 10:58:05 AM
The correct name of this plant is Cornus sanguinea "Anny's Winter Orange" but it is also known as: Cornus sanguinea "Winter Beauty", Cornus sang. "Winter Flame", Cornus sang. "Magic Flame", Cornus sang. "Anny" and Cornus sang. "Anny's". So many names for one plant!

It is a Dutch selection made bij Andre Nijnatten from Zundert, The Netherlands in the 1980's.
Title: Re: New Cornus
Post by: mark smyth on November 06, 2011, 12:44:04 PM
wow, why so many names?
Title: Re: New Cornus
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 06, 2011, 08:33:38 PM
The unpleasant words "identity theft' were mentioned on another thread a few minutes ago.
Title: Re: New Cornus
Post by: annew on November 07, 2011, 05:23:08 PM
I got it as Midwinter Fire! It's quite a spreader by suckers once it gets going...
Title: Re: New Cornus
Post by: mark smyth on November 07, 2011, 06:15:51 PM
Not what I want Anne in my raised bed.

How low can I cut it back in the spring? I has one main stem which branches out around 6 inches above soil level
Title: Re: New Cornus
Post by: Diane Clement on November 07, 2011, 07:07:31 PM
I got it as Midwinter Fire! It's quite a spreader by suckers once it gets going...  

I first saw this plant at Wisley a few years ago, I thought it was wonderful, looked like a firework going off.  So I bought one.  

In a season it completely filled a whole bed with its suckers ... it is sadly a dreadful pest .... I had to get rid of it.  Caveat emptor  ::)  

Oh, just found the picture taken at Wisley, January 2005.  It would be interesting to know whether it has filled the bed there?
Title: Re: New Cornus
Post by: mark smyth on November 07, 2011, 07:38:42 PM
it looks great
Title: Re: New Cornus
Post by: annew on November 09, 2011, 06:25:05 PM
Not what I want Anne in my raised bed.

How low can I cut it back in the spring? I has one main stem which branches out around 6 inches above soil level

around 6 inches above soil level!
Title: Re: New Cornus
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 09, 2011, 09:25:09 PM
Not what I want Anne in my raised bed.

How low can I cut it back in the spring? I has one main stem which branches out around 6 inches above soil level

around 6 inches above soil level!

I'd cut it immediately ABOVE the 6" branch which should encourage the branches but if you cut it below the branch you will get masses more branches from below the soil. You may do anyway, judging from the other posts. I'd move to a bigger garden if I were you. On the other hand it would do well here will plenty of space to fill. Last autumn I bought a plant of Rhus typhina with outstanding colour and in the knowledge that it suckers dreadfully. Just what I wanted, only to find when it arrived that it had been grafted high onto another species and won't sucker at all. Still magnificent in the autumn but not what I expected. >:(
Title: Re: New Cornus
Post by: John85 on November 10, 2011, 09:10:09 AM
cornus sanguinea ,cornus alba siberica: how to see the difference?
Title: Re: New Cornus
Post by: Maggi Young on November 10, 2011, 10:33:29 AM
cornus sanguinea ,cornus alba siberica: how to see the difference?
That's a good question, John........ I'm waiting for the answer, too  :-\
Title: Re: New Cornus
Post by: Diane Clement on November 10, 2011, 12:01:32 PM
cornus sanguinea ,cornus alba siberica: how to see the difference?
That's a good question, John........ I'm waiting for the answer, too  :-\

Cornus alba stays well behaved - it doesn't sucker and spread to the extent that C sanguinea does.  I had to remove C sanguinea and would never again plant it in a garden bed, I do also have C alba but it is no trouble and stays confined to base. 
Title: Re: New Cornus
Post by: Maggi Young on November 10, 2011, 12:12:16 PM
Thanks, Diane.
Title: Re: New Cornus
Post by: John85 on November 10, 2011, 04:55:40 PM
Is it possible to see a difference in the foliage or the flowers or something else?
It is a bit too late when it starts suckering in the border.I am not sure they are always properly labelled in the garden centers.
Title: Re: New Cornus
Post by: mark smyth on November 20, 2013, 10:20:20 PM
here it is today November 20th 2013
Title: Re: New Cornus
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 20, 2013, 10:49:39 PM
I've still not seen it in NZ, under any of the names mentioned above. It would be great in my new garden.
Title: Re: New Cornus
Post by: annew on November 21, 2013, 12:29:09 PM
Mine, now occupying about 4sq m, got a dose of glyphosate in summer, and is going to be cut down, and any new growth retreated. It's a thug...
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