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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: Hillview croconut on November 02, 2011, 11:39:54 PM
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Hi, thought I might kick this off with a few stragglers from the spring bulb camp and a very red paeony
Ornithogalum ? collected it accidentally near Sparta. can anyone give it a name?
Muscari ? weisii (dionysus) grabbed seed head walking down from the summit of Mt Ambelos, Samos.
Allium peninsulare, one of my favourite Americans, almost a weed here.
Paeonia peregrina, seed from a woodland grove east of Edessa, northern Greece.
Cheers, Marcus
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The red paeony is a beauty, one of my favourites and it really does wander a little bit in the garden. I find it grows from bits of broken root or tuber too.
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Thanks for starting off the Thread, Marcus,
and I agree with Lesley about that Paeonia!
It's Calochortus time in our garden!
This one is the first flowering from seed sown 2008 from the NARGS Seedex as Calochortus venustus
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Calochortus splendens
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Calochortus luteus
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Calochortus amabilis struggling through an overgrowth of dianthus!
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cheers
fermi
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Iris "Thunderbolt"
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Some iris in the "creek bed"
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Including 2 Louisiana Iris
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and a couple in the "bog garden"
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cheers
fermi
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Very beautiful, that Iris 'Thunderbolt', Fermi.
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Lots of lovely colour there Fermi.
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Hi Again,
Lovely pics! Its very heartening to see such lovely plants on the southern hemisphere thread ALL YEAR. We have so many things against us here, first and foremost, biosecurity.
Couple more calochortus (not great pics). and one of Pat's wicked arils, though a crazy colour combo.
Cheers, and a great weekend, Marcus
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I should have had my camera at the market yesterday as we had the community stall (a single stall at no cost, set aside each week so that local community groups, charities etc can provide information and raise funds) from a local Boys' High and as one of the boy's father is a paeony grower, they had dozens of tree paeonies in large pots, in flower and many, many both tree and herbaceous flowers, all for sale at prices which were ridiculously low, compared with nurseries.
Because I had arranged the stall and a good date for them (as is part of my job to do, so nothing extra on my part) the father told me to select a plant I would like. I did, then found it and another in a paler shade, one single lemon, the other double gold) delivered to my car at the end of the market. Even though not the usual prices, they were still over $100 in total so I feel really guilty about accepting them, but am managing to force myself. They are magnificent plants, strong and healthy. :D 8)
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This is what we awoke to yesterday morning after very strong winds overnight.
Gone by early afternoon i initially thought there was very little damage ,however a check today in the sunshine and i see broken stems of a number of plants ...including Trilliums ,Clintonia and damn it >:( >:( there is only a short stub left of a nicely forming flower bud of Ranzania japonica ..(Aw well there is always next year). ::)
Luckily all is not lost --Dicentra peregrina is unscathed ;D--one bloom so far yet to open with 2 small others i can just see above the surface .Will post when out.
Cheers Dave.
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I knew things were getting chilly down there... my brother-in law told me the Dundedin golf course was closed by frost the other morning :o :-X
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I couldn't believe it when they had the electric heaters on in St Mark's Church, Remuera this afternoon for the choir's concert! OK, so it was only 16oC outside, but it felt warmer.
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9c here yesterday --13c today --forecast 23c tomorrow then back to 14c Tuesday --go figure. ::)
Cheers Dave.
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If you want something different from the familiar tall bearded hybrids, grow a few of the beautiful and interesting dwarf crested irises species, they're popular as an adaptable woodland groundcover, a vigorous, abundantly flowering border plant and delightful, exquisite individual greenhouse plant.
Another small iris flowering for us are the always beautiful, reliable Iris innominate/douglasiana species and hybrids that is also available in many different colours.
Iris cristata
Iris cristata alba
Iris gracilipes
Iris gracilipes alba
Iris innominata/douglasiana
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Yes, it's definitely the silly season for weather. On Saturday I wiped 7cms of snow off my car before I could go to work at 5.30am. It was OK out the drive but something of a skating rink trip up the hill. Only 10 mins late though. All gone when I came home early afternoon. Yesterday went up to 17c here and today the TV weather says we'll have 25 but the radio only gives us 21.
Your little irises are beauts Bill. I love all these little species though the MBs have been good and cheering too. Convention on in Nelson at present. Seems as if it might be a fiery one judging from the remits forwarded.
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Lesley, here's what the Norwegian Met says:
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And the next week you can see here:
http://www.yr.no/sted/New_Zealand/Otago/Dunedin/langtidsvarsel.html
;)
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Today's forecast was for 25oC in Dunedin.
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It was 29C here half an hour ago at 5pm and 33 in the sitting room. But we're about half way between the city and the airport and neither we nor it get the cool easterly afternoon wind. Not a breath of wind.
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Phew!
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this came labelled as Aquilegia viridiflora but I seem to remember some discussion about that...
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This came as Amsonia jonesii and though it doesn't fit the images for that species on NARGS Forum by Mark McD, it's still a nice thing at the edge of the shaded bed,
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The tall spuria iris are starting,
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I think this one is "Intensity"
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not sure about this one's name,
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cheers
fermi
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On one of my walks along the Mount Maunganui beach this morning I came across several patches of this colourful Nasturtium majus (Tropaeolum majus).
Nasturtiums are peppery edible flowers which are beautiful added to fresh salads or as garnish to cheesey spreads and other savory foods.
Guess what we had with our BBQ steak and sausages last night?
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Fermi - I LOVE Amsonias! If you should have any spare seeds....?
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Two lovely things out at present are below. I can take no credit for the Meconopsis as I bought two seedlings just under a month ago. By planting them in the same pot I hoped to be able to cross pollinate but only one is in bloom for now anyway.
Meconopsis delavayi
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and Dicentra 'Ivory Hearts.' Happily, this makes a little seed each year and it comes true.
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Anne, I'll send you a PM.
Back in the garden, the Iris halophila is repeating its performance by sending up a second round of spike a foot taller than the ones which opened a week ago.
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This patch of Calochortus venustus shows some variation in markings as they were raised from seed from the NARGS 2008 Seedex.
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This Calochortus umpquaensis came from Marcus Harvey this year,
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cheers
fermi
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In two crevice troughs (the Hokonui ones) are these at present.
Oxalis 'Matthew Forest' hybrid between enneaphylla and laciniata I think. The colour is more intense than the pic shows.
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Primula daonensis from Pilous seed. The upper stem is past its best.
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Primula modesta var. I'm hoping Giles will tell me the correst name. It's a delightful little compact plant and makes nice seed.
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Two of Myosotis colensoi, a NZ native and the notes Kiwi (Doug) made late October are confirmed here.
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Finally a little tight growing viola which for some reason has been sold in NZ as V. albanica. It is not, but I'm 99% sure it is the very compact V. cornuta 'Minor.' Maybe Gerd K, if he sees this, would care to comment. It has a distinct horn at the back though not visible here.
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Great pics everyone (just starting to venture out into reading more topics finally). Fermi, you have some glorious Iris and Calochortus. :o Interesting stuff too from Marcus (love that little Muscari), and the NZers. So many lovely things shown here already, and we're only a week into November!! 8)
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Hi,
I'm following Fermi into calochortus season. Been a good spring for them so a good many flowers coming on. Here are a few:
C. argillosus
C. catalinae
C. leichtlinii
C. palmeri
C. vestae
Cheers, Marcus
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Few more of the highly variable, and often superb, Calochortus venustus. M
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Beautiful, Marcus. :o
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Finally a little tight growing viola which for some reason has been sold in NZ as V. albanica. It is not, but I'm 99% sure it is the very compact V. cornuta 'Minor.' Maybe Gerd K, if he sees this, would care to comment. It has a distinct horn at the back though not visible here.
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Hi Lesley,
99 % is somewhat too high - I suggest your viola is about 70 % cornuta 'Minor'.
But seriously - almost the dwarf form of Viola cornuta but according flower shape and colour there must be another pansy in its line of ancestors.
Gerd
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Thanks you Gerd, I'm happy with that. I take it you confirm it is not V. albanica?
It could well be a hybrid as it doesn't set seed or at least not freely. I have had a single pod about 5 years ago but nothing germinated.
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Interestingly, there is a thread called 'Seeking Viola 'Jackanapes' and a link is given to a viola nursery in the UK which lists it. They also list many others with pictures and the picture of V. cornuta 'Alba' has the exact same shape as mine even though the colour is different. There are several named forms of cornuta, not really like the one I have. Maddeningly, for V. cornuta minor, they say "Image not available." If I can, I'll send my picture to them and ask for their thoughts.
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Anyone know the name of this plant that looks like an agave growing in the grounds of my daughter's school? The flower is about 20' tall.
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Anthony,
With that sort of flowerhead, I think it is likely to be a Furcraea but no idea which species. I think they tend to be taller than any of the Agave. That gives you a starter to look for at least. Some of them have a much "thicker" head of flowers, which is how yours looks?
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Thanks Paul. There seem to be quite a number with very similar flowers, but that's certainly the genus.
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I was going to post a picture of Clematis fusca dwarf form for Helen in Canada but can't find it on my computer. It came to me from Susan More so if you're there Susan and reading this, could you post the pic you sent to me please? I know it's somewhere but.....
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Right, I've done two bad pics of the last remaining flower in the garden (on a small nursery plant actually, the better ones went at the Trillium weekend) and also taken a photo of Susan's photo which gives a better idea. I had a look at 3 I have planted out. One has had a cat scratch it half out of the ground, two has probably been sat on as it's bent right over and broken but will be OK because new shoots come each year and 3 has some seed just starting so hopefully all will be well in due course.
Here are the pics. Under the lovely brown fur, the flower surface is deep purple. It has never grown higher then 30cms for me and only about 20cms in small pots. It is herbaceous and dies right down with new shoots coming in the spring, like on a C. integrifolia but as well, it does make tendrils so probably would like to cling to something, which I don't think integrifolia does, does it?
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:o A so lovely Clematis Lesley !
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Drat, went for the C.Fusca rather than the dwarf form!
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Beautiful, Lesley. I don't think I've ever seen a fuzzy Clematis flower like that before. :o
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Lesley, thanks so much for the pics.
It is absolutely beautiful.
I have several fusca/ianthinas but they all get much taller than 30cms.
None of mine are white inside though.
Just looked at pics of the Barry Fretwell dwarf and it does look pretty much the same as yours.
Lucky you. ;D
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Several people are now asking for seed and I have none left now but there may be a very little from the garden plant that is undamaged. Now that Teddy is gone the b....y cats from across the road are taking over the place. However I should have about 6 flowering plants next summer and they should give plenty seed. I'll post a new pic then and anyone interested can contact me. Mine is the one (I'm sure) pictured in Barry Fretwell's book "Clematis." I can't remember where it came from but it has been grown here for maybe 20 years or so.
Brian, even if you applied for the dwarf, you may not have got it. Helen told me that a friend of hers had been receiving the dwarf form for ages but it always had been the climber. Prof. Pawley , when I sent my seed in, refused to accept that it was a dwarf form until he apparently got more seed from another person. Maybe THAT is not dwarf? or maybe somone else altogether is mis-applying the name. Who knows. All I know is that I have sown and grown on perhps 6-8 generations now from my original plant and they are all the same and none has ever grown to more than 30cms.
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The reason I didn't ask for the dwarf seed Leslie is that I have a 'clematis fusca (dwarf form)' - that is how it was described when I received it from the Plant Heritage (NCCPG in old money) plant exchange, but it is about 3 feet tall. I shall certainly await your posting next summer with eager anticipation :D
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I shall probably need reminding Brian but when I see it in flower again something may jog the brain into action. ???
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The car park at the local football park (Greenmount Reserve) has two forms of Dietes. The taller one (in front of the birch tree) is D. grandiflora, but I'm not sure if the smaller one is a dwarf form or D. iridioides? Is the lawn weed a Romulea sp.?
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Several people are now asking for seed and I have none left now but there may be a very little from the garden plant that is undamaged. Now that Teddy is gone the b....y cats from across the road are taking over the place. However I should have about 6 flowering plants next summer and they should give plenty seed. I'll post a new pic then and anyone interested can contact me. Mine is the one (I'm sure) pictured in Barry Fretwell's book "Clematis." I can't remember where it came from but it has been grown here for maybe 20 years or so.
Brian, even if you applied for the dwarf, you may not have got it. Helen told me that a friend of hers had been receiving the dwarf form for ages but it always had been the climber. Prof. Pawley , when I sent my seed in, refused to accept that it was a dwarf form until he apparently got more seed from another person. Maybe THAT is not dwarf? or maybe somone else altogether is mis-applying the name. Who knows. All I know is that I have sown and grown on perhps 6-8 generations now from my original plant and they are all the same and none has ever grown to more than 30cms.
Lesley,
Christopher Grey-Wilson mentions at least three dwarf forms of C. fusca in his book "Clematis the Genus".
C. f. var coreana: herbaceous perennial to 80cm; var kamtschatica: herbaceous perennial to 80cm; var tomentosa similar to kamtschatica but non-herbaceous and probably var ajanensis.
Although your plants are even smaller than these, I wonder if they can be one of those.
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Lesley,
Christopher Grey-Wilson mentions at least three dwarf forms of C. fusca in his book "Clematis the Genus".
C. f. var coreana: herbaceous perennial to 80cm; var kamtschatica: herbaceous perennial to 80cm; var tomentosa similar to kamtschatica but non-herbaceous and probably var ajanensis.
Although your plants are even smaller than these, I wonder if they can be one of those.
I have Fusca var kamtschatica, I think it grows a bit taller than 80cms but can't be sure as it tends to go sideways after it starts to climb.
Here are a few pics.
Here is a link to Barry Fretwell website.
If you scroll down you will find Fusca Peveril which he says was originally collected in Japan.
http://www.peverilclematis.com/
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Are they as furry and velvety as they look, or are they more solid. They look so soft.
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Are they as furry and velvety as they look, or are they more solid. They look so soft.
Paul, the buds look like tiny, fuzzy coconuts, the fuzz seems quite wiry, not velvety at all. The sepals are quite thick.
The fuzz seems to straighten out as the bud develops and by the time it opens, the hair seems to change colour, from brown to almost silver but they don't all behave the same way.
Some of the flowers have lots of the brown fuzz inside the flower but not always.
I find it a very interesting clematis.
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Helen,
I have been looking for herbaceous non-climbing/small clematis for a while to plant in the garden. Now you and Lesley have convinced me that I ought to try any of the small forms of C. fusca ;)
I have no clematis with flowers like that but the most similar I have is C. koreana. But it is a strong climber.
PS. I have a lot of seeds of C. koreana if anybody wants to swap ;)
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Maybe next year Trond when I hope to have some more seed available. I think the dwarf fusca that BF mentions as from Hokkaido is the same one he mentions in his book but it is still a lot taller than mine. I wish I could remember the original source though it was not from outside NZ.
I thought I might try and cantact him with pics and seek an opinion from him.
Trond, by any chance was it you to whom I promised some Iris ruthenica nana? I can't remember who it was but I think it was someone in Norway or Sweden and I really want to get that sorted out.
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Hi Lesley,
You haven't promised me any Iris but Clematis napaulensis seed ;)
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Trond, I think I still have some mixed integrifolia seeds if you would like some.
Have to say though that some can get quite tall even though they don't climb, they do need some support.
I can probably scrounge up some pitcheri and other viornas that will climb but have lovely bell shaped flowers.
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Trond, I think I still have some mixed integrifolia seeds if you would like some.
Have to say though that some can get quite tall even though they don't climb, they do need some support.
I can probably scrounge up some pitcheri and other viornas that will climb but have lovely bell shaped flowers.
Yes please, Helen, it is very kind of you :D I am always interested in increasing my Clematis collection! (It is not very extensive though)
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Trond, will try and get them out on Monday.
Btw, did you have success with the bluet seeds?
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Trond, will try and get them out on Monday.
Btw, did you have success with the bluet seeds?
Thanks, Helen.
Regarding the bluets, I was both successful and not :'(
Last winter I built a new step in the garden and in the spring I sowed the bluets along the steps in a 20cm broad strip between the steps and the old bed. They germinated and I got a lot of small plants. However while I was away on summer holiday (6 weeks) the plants in the old bed had grown beyond all bounds and completely swamped the bluets. The few still living when I detected the misery didn't live for long. It was so disappointing. Much rain and high temperatures got the old plants to grow tremendously.
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Trond, they are tough little plants.
Don't be suprised to see some still there in Spring.
Hope so anyway.
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Let us hope so :)
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Oh well, it must have been someone else then. I wish I could find a reference. Nothing that I can see in my PM pages but there are 76 of them! Clematis napaulensis is on its way as we speak.
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A few recent flowers in the garden,
Since we've already seen some clematis, here's one we have as "Golden Tiara"
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Habranthus robustus "Russell Manning" seed of which was donated to the Seedex!
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And with Triteleia ixioides
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Codonopsis clematidea
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And a lovely garish Asiatic Lilium "Tiger Play"
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cheers
fermi
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Your 'Golden Tiara' flowers much earlier than the similar kinds we have here, such as tangutica, vernayi, 'Bill McKenzie' and even akebioides. I think of all of these as summer through autumn flowerers. My own vernayi L and S 13342 flowers until winter almost but is nowhere even near in bud at present.