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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: Hagen Engelmann on November 01, 2011, 07:23:37 AM
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Days go by.
Now it is November.
I think the flowers of Galanthus look much more like snow flakes now.
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Beauty Hagen
Where did you find the name HERBSTFLÖCKCHEN
What type is it
Roland
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Beautiful flower, Hagen. Nicely photographed against the autumn colour of the leaf.
Paddy
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Hagen,
something new and areal beauty! Never seen such a type in autumn.
Is this a variety of reginae-olgae?
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Days go by.
Now it is November.
I think the flowers of Galanthus look much more like snow flakes now.
November already ?.... I don't know where the year has gone!
Hagen that is a really beautiful flower... and a delightful photograph. 8)
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Very nice poc Hagen!
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Very nice, Hagen. Is there more than one clone/seedling there? The snowdrop closest to the camera has a different flower shape and a different ovary shape.
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Thank you for compliments.
It is only one stock, Martin. The flower size don`t look equal every year and differs a little bit from flower to flower (think to ANGLESEY ABBEY).
G reginae-olgae but also G peshmenii are able to create these poculiforme flowers.
And I hope G elwesii monostictus can it too.
The background plant is Geranium wlassowianum.
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ahh (John leans back with a contented yet wistful sigh), absolutely lovely. 8)
A poc in Autumn - that really has made my day. :)
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A wonderful way to start a new month Hagen, thanks for showing us an autumn poc 8)
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A lovely snowdrop in a very nice setting.
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Galanthus snogerupii , i just love its name :D and its shiny green leaves
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Galanthus snogerupii , i just love its name :D and its shiny green leaves
That's very early for an ikariae type, Emma. Is it always this early?
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Where does Galanthus snogerupii come from
Roland
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http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1599.0
Might answer your question Roland. I bought mine from Glen Chantry 3 years ago. Its never flowered this early before. Its at least a month or more ahead of previous flowerings ( i don't think flowerings is a word, hey ho , suits my purpose)
I think its classed a separate species from Ikarie these days. It is increasing slowly . It coped well with the snow and temperatures as low as -17 last December in Dorset.
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I thought it was a spring flowering species?
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I as i understood it, snogerupii should flower around about December, Ikarie in the spring. My snogerupii was i actually flowering on the 30th of October.
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Maybe it tells us something about the coming winter, or perhaps the previous one?
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The photos from Glen Chantry in 2010 show it flowering mid-February.
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maybe ???? I am not sure what, if anything its telling us about the weather, past or future .
Its nice to have it flowering this early on the one hand , on the other it does look a bit silly, as i can still see the dahlias in flower across the garden !
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I have only had it 3 years. First 2 years its flowered in Early December, this is its 3rd flowering for me .
Do you think it could be some other sps of snowdrop ? or is it just growing a bit weird for me ?
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My G. snogerupii is just coming into flower. I understood it to be the ' autumn flowering version of G. ikariae ', which for me is quite a late season snowdrop.
I have about 5 different clones of G. reginae-olgae in flower at the moment. Thankyou to Arthur and John for those. Its really exciting to have the snowdrop season start so early. I will post some pictures of them later.
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It looks right, and I think many plants choose to flower earlier or later according to the vagaries of the seasons in the UK.
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Thanks Emma
this explains everything
Roland
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my first drop (other than r.olgae) opened yesterday, no idea what variety it is but looks nice in the dogwood leaves.
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looks like G. elwesii monostictus
Roland
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That's a good early elwesii Richard, a nice big, dark inner mark. I've got 'Fieldgate Prelude' showing buds already. They are ones which I moved last spring so maybe that has encouraged them to get going.
Here are a few pics of G. reginae-olgae clones. They are all different sizes, or different inner marks. The first two are planted in the garden and the next three are in pots.
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my first G. elwesii monostictus has already flowered and gone over, it was up first week of October . It flowered at Christmas last year.
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Interesting how this unusually mild weather is allowing/encouraging the snowdrops to develop earlier than usual, especially after the very cold autumn last year that held everything back so much.
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Galanthus corcyrensis is starting now. It usually flowers for me from November to February. Who needs all these different 'drops when one variety will flower for so long. Last winter it was held back by the weather and did not start flowering till February.
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Nice healthy looking clumps Roma.
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Galanthus corcyrensis is starting now. It usually flowers for me from November to February. Who needs all these different 'drops when one variety will flower for so long. Last winter it was held back by the weather and did not start flowering till February.
Ah, Roma, the voice of reason, as ever! 8) 8)
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;D ;D ;D
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I KNEW I'd regret the last two years' mass chipping of pretty much all of my best snowdrops. Now I have nothing to look at. :-\
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Who needs all these different 'drops when one variety will flower for so long. Last winter it was held back by the weather and did not start flowering till February and
mass chipping of pretty much all of my best snowdrops!
That sounds like 2 perfect reasons to have more variety Maggi ;D
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Another plant that is early for me this year, Galanthus Peter Gatehouse photographed between periods of torrential rain today.
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Melvyn,
A lovely group of 'Peter Gatehouse'.
Tell me, please, are these indoors or out? I ask because I have this cultivar in the garden and there isn't any sign of it yet and won't be for some time to come, certainly not until after Christmas.
Paddy
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Hello Paddy, I have G. Peter Gatehouse both planted out in the garden and in a pot under cover, they are at exactly the same stage of development, much earlier than I would expect.
However in contrast to the experience of others my plants of G.snogerupii are only just showing, both of the forms that I grow have direct provenance to Andros, one from Ruby Baker and the other from seed collected by Peter Moore, so in this case I think there must be an autumn flowering form as well.
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My 'Peter Gatehouse' is now going over Paddy, but it's the third time I have tried it and the first time that I have managed to keep it, for some reason it does not like my garden - probably too dry! Amazingly my 'Barnes' has only just opened - not nearly as early as others, yet one that I gave to kentgardener was out some time ago, microclimates are everything I think. In the spring my snowdrops are way behind everyone else's - but I enjoy them when they have nothing to see ;)
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Paddy
I have a clump of Peter Gatehouse (in the soil) and the first nose is only just through.
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Many thanks for the information, folks, much appreciated.
Each year comes around and I look at the photographs being posted here on the forum and wonder why I never have any of these early snowdrops in flower. OK, G. reginae olgae simply does not grow in the garden here and I simply and happily enjoy your photographs but when I see the likes of G. 'Peter Gatehouse' fully grown and in full flower with you when it hasn't as much as peeped above ground here I am amazed. It's peculiar. I have no snowdrop above ground here yet.
Brian, you comment that your garden is dry. Mine is quite the opposite. I am very close to a river and it is always damp, foggy and misty here and the soil is always very wet over winter.
Paddy
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My 'Peter Gatehouse' is now going over Paddy, but it's the third time I have tried it and the first time that I have managed to keep it, for some reason it does not like my garden - probably too dry!
Oh, I don't think so. Peter Gatehouse does well in my garden and I'm sure it's a lot drier here than in Norfolk. The only place I have tried it that it didn't like was a rather cold spot. But it does well under my climbing hydrangea in a south-facing bed so it gets full sun and thus plenty of warmth once the hydrangea has lost its leaves.
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Melvyn, it`s a pleasure to see your fine group of PETER GATEHOUSE.
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I second that. I'm hoping there is a good range of seeds in the seed distribution. My first Galanthus reginae-olgae seedlings are just showing. Was Galanthus snogerupii formerly known as a variety of G. ikariae?
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looks like G. elwesii monostictus
Roland
could well be, I did move some bulbs years ago but it's not marked in my book, ta.
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Easy to recognise by the leaves
grey/blue
Roland
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re: Peter Gatehouse The only place I have tried it that it didn't like was a rather cold spot.
Alan - What exactly do you mean by "a rather cold spot"? Are you suggesting it is not winter hardy or just simply doesn't like a cool dank shady spot?
I don't know how these autumn flowerers would do here, losing dormancy and then having to go through 3 or more months of frozen hell. Certainly nivalis can show leafage and buds in the autumn here and then survive winter without missing a beat, there may be hope.
johnw
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In a good position Peter Gatehouse will grow large broad leaves that are quite attractive in their own right after the flowers have gone. A year or two ago I visited the Suffolk garden of a famous bulb expert (who we will call "R.L") and I noted his Peter Gatehouse were looking weak and feeble by comparison to mine. He had them in a shady spot whereas mine get full sun. In my experience Peter Gatehouse needs a sunnier position (that perhaps gets hotter in summer) than a typical snowdrop in order to thrive. It is perfectly winter-hardy in the UK.
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I overlooked a bulb in the garden this summer
from Galanthus reginae-olgae subsp. reginae-olgae Calabria
now popping up in-between the Helleborus leaves
This was a collection from a colleague who visited Calabria near Sicily
Roland
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Thanks for the explanation Alan. I guess after this past summer even anything with elwesii blood should go into a sunny spot here on the coast. One can only pray the bulbs have survived the tremendous rains.
The first snowdrop G. reginae-olgae from a German friend opened this morning after a cold night. That was the first frost to date and was badly needed to harden things off as the next week promises to be very mild. No sign of Cambridge emerging in the garden.
johnw - sunny and 11C.
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I just noticed I have flower buds above ground of The Pearl, Faringdon Double and one with a missing label
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My local Garden Centre has a small number of G. elwesii in full flower. Have these somehow been brought on early or are they just early-flowering selections?
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I would ask them. Some very early flowerers would be great.
Anyone know a source for Autumn Beauty that does mail order?
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I would ask them. Some very early flowerers would be great.
Anyone know a source for Autumn Beauty that does mail order?
mine came from Broadleigh a few years ago
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another r.olgae, only had it a few years and seems vigorous, flowers about a month later than the rest I have here, think it originated from Turkey.
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Anyone know a source for Autumn Beauty that does mail order?
There where about 20 at Wisley Garden centre yesterday
Roland
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I have G. 'Fieldgate Prelude' about to open a flower.... is this very early?
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Mine are below ground.
While chatting about the Gala on the phone just now something white caught my eye. Three Ships is up with the first flower free of the sheath but still vertical
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I have G. 'Fieldgate Prelude' about to open a flower.... is this very early?
Hi Maggi
That does seem early for 'oop north' - I would guess mine are about 2 weeks from flowering.
John
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John, I only got it this year so perhaps it is just enthusiastic and keen to impress!
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;D
Working from home today so managed half an hour in the garden during daylight - and with sunshine! 8)
I've missed a few flowers that have gone past their best - but here are a couple still looking nice.
Pics 1 & 2 - A reginae-olgae from Melvyn - I have labelled this one as M.J.R.O-2.
R. O.'s don't seem to like my garden (none have ever survived more than a few years in the ground - probably due to the watering I do for my Summer jungle). Last year Melvyn suggested I try again and very kindly gave me a couple of his unnamed 'throw away' pots. On the advice of member Chad I grew them in pots and tucked them away under a hedge for the summer. Hopefully I am not tempting fate by saying that both are still alive. ;D
Pic 3 - 'Rainbow Farm Early'
John
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p.s.
the scent on this r. o. from Melvyn is so strong 8)
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Hello John, delighted to read that you have been more successful with G.r-o's this time. I hope they thrive from here on.
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I think I have to follow your example, John. G. reginae olgae simply fade away in the garden here so pot-culture it will have to be.
Paddy
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p.s.
the scent on this r. o. from Melvyn is so strong 8)
Hi John,
I agree, John Fielding gave me some of his r-o's and they have a wonderfully strong scent of heather honey. Delicious :)
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all my named varieties of r.o I've tried over the years have vanished, the "ordinary" one and one other grown from wild collected seed seem to do well in dry sunny spots.
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All my r/o.s are in pots - long johns - kept outside (not under glass) on wooden staging with air all round them and with a really careful watering regime of practically dry in summer, increasing the water gradually from mid-August, and not allowing any excess water to stand around the bases. My retention record has been poor but so far this growing regime seems to be working in that they have all reappeared and seem to be clumping gradually. The only one that is in the ground (and prospering) is Alex Duguid under a tree in dryish soil. I feed the pots sparingly (i.e. infrequently) with a mixture of seaweed concentrate with a little added lime, just as I do with the saxifrages and auriculas. Why would we do it if it was easy? :)
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The older selected forms of reginae-olgae tend to suffer from the same problem as many old snowdrop varieties - old age. The likes of Hyde Lodge and Cambridge have been around a long time and are getting a bit long in the tooth which, combined with the decidedly Mediterranean cultural requirements of reginae-olgae, I find do make them not very long lived in the open garden. Seedlings will generally perform better, being younger and more vigorous.
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Cambridge buds have just appeared above ground here.
johnw - 100mm+ for tomorrow.
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John, you're a brave man growing Cambridge in the ground in Nova Scotia!
Ermine Joyce, Elmley Lovet and EA Bowles all up today and Early to Rize flowering - all the Es. Weird.
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John, you're a brave man growing Cambridge in the ground in Nova Scotia!
Ermine Joyce, Elmley Lovet and EA Bowles all up today and Early to Rize flowering - all the Es. Weird.
Steve - Two clumps here, one close to the house foundation and a definite summer dry spot even after this summer. The other is against the greenhouse foundation facing south.
We'll see how long term they are.
The Rosemary Burnhams have surfaced already this seems awfully early but then again everything is mixed up this year. Cyrtanthus brachyscypus - a huge potfull has been in flower since last January and gave a very good show all summer long. Cyclamen african flowered three times and is starting up again.
johnw - +15c and sunny
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I grow Cambridge outside. One group in the ground and the other in a trough. Both survived the deep freeze. Those in the trough survived being in a solid block of ice during the thaw.
This is the only reginae-olgae that has survived in my garden.
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The older selected forms of reginae-olgae tend to suffer from the same problem as many old snowdrop varieties - old age. The likes of Hyde Lodge and Cambridge have been around a long time and are getting a bit long in the tooth which, combined with the decidedly Mediterranean cultural requirements of reginae-olgae, I find do make them not very long lived in the open garden. Seedlings will generally perform better, being younger and more vigorous.
A friend sent me 5 or 6 Galanthus reginae-olgae Cambridge bulbs 3 years ago. Two years ago they had one flower, last year 5 and this year more than a dozen. They appear to be building up nicely in a raised bed behind the house under an Edgeworthia chrysantha. This summer was decidely non-Mediterranean, with somerthing like 30" of rain in 6 weeks in August and September. The bed is made of concrete sand and screened topsoil in equal proportions. Also flowering or flowered in the same species are Fotini, Stavroula, Tile Barn Jamie, Tessera, Anne-Marie Kee and several lots of seedlings from wild-collected seed from several locations. Barnes and Potter's Prelude are also in full flower.
Best,
J.
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You're obviously growing them very well, John.
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My little group of G elwesii Barnes just coming into flower. Though not I find as attractive as reg olg and peshmenii types its my first elwesii to flower
My Cambridge has not done so well this year I think I may have overdone the swops and I also have the feeling that one of the clumps has been attacked - group now cleaned and moved.
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Ian my 'Barnes' were nearly over when I went away almost two weeks ago.They seemed very early this year.
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Hello,
here a very late flowering type og reginae-olgae. I grow it in a buölb frame, were some flowers are still fresh at Christmas! Very vigorous and completly hardy here in Austria!
If anybody is interested in a swap, I am looking for a true peshmenii or an early flowering elwesii!
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Ian my 'Barnes' were nearly over when I went away almost two weeks ago.They seemed very early this year.
Tony nothing seems to be making sense here either I have Three Ships just starting to flower over a month before it usually does?
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I'm pleased your Barnes are now in flower Ian, I thought I was the only one who hadn't had it in flower until now!
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This has been an abysmal Remembrance Day holiday, still the crowds at outdoor services have braved the weather. The wind is howling here, a Tropical Storm has teamed up with a low pressure from the west and we are to get over 100mm of rain. It has been coming down horizontally for 12 hours now and the sky is pitch dark, so much so we have had all the lights on since daybreak.
John - You must have a tremendous show there with those all those reginae-olgaes. Does you ground freeze solidly in the winter there in Pennsylvania? Sound as if you have much the same "summer" as we have had.
Pauli - Can you tell us something of the climate in Linz? Your clump of r-o's are a delight.
The reginae-olgae strangely set seed reliably in the greenhouse whereas the nivalis and elwesii abort.
johnw - +17c
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... we are to get over 100mm of rain.
Send some over here please. The last I heard we need 170mm of rain to bring the soil back to normal levels of hydration. The total rainfall for the whole year until the end of October (as recorded by the Botanic Garden) is 303 mm
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303mm? That would only get a foot wet! ;)
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John,
The climate in Linz could be called temperate - cold. Winters usually have lows around -15C, altough 20 years ago lows under -20C were not uncommon. In winter we have usually some weeks with subzero temperatures. We have snow, but no reliable permanent snow cover!
Summers are warm, with a few days above 30C.
Rain should fall the year round with about 800mm precipitation a year. This year is a very dry one - I still have to water my autumn flowering bulbs. Today morning -1C, a sunny day is announced with highs around 10C.
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... we are to get over 100mm of rain.
Send some over here please. The last I heard we need 170mm of rain to bring the soil back to normal levels of hydration. The total rainfall for the whole year until the end of October (as recorded by the Botanic Garden) is 303 mm
We are like Alan, only 359mm for the whole year and of that 228mm since May. Added to that we had 242.9hrs of sunshine in May (123% of average figures) and 216.3 hrs (115% of average figures in June).
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John,
The climate in Linz could be called temperate - cold. Winters usually have lows around -15C, altough 20 years ago lows under -20C were not uncommon. In winter we have usually some weeks with subzero temperatures. We have snow, but no reliable permanent snow cover!
Summers are warm, with a few days above 30C.
Rain should fall the year round with about 800mm precipitation a year. This year is a very dry one - I still have to water my autumn flowering bulbs. Today morning -1C, a sunny day is announced with highs around 10C.
Thanks Herbert. While our winters are comparable our annual precipitation is close 1400mm. We do have a couple of summer days to 30/31c but nights are cool. Summer humidity is between 85 and 91%, sun and fog fight it out all summer long.
Sounds as if we have to grow successive generations of r-os to get good do-ers.
johnw
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... we are to get over 100mm of rain.
Send some over here please. The last I heard we need 170mm of rain to bring the soil back to normal levels of hydration. The total rainfall for the whole year until the end of October (as recorded by the Botanic Garden) is 303 mm
We got more than that in October alone,the garden is a bog!
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Remembrance Day is my first roll-call day of the snowdrop season. In 2010 I had 85 snowdrop varieties up by 11 November, this year it's 80. So the seasonal vagaries of temperature and rainfall don't seem to have affected the big picture, although that masks oddities such as the non-appearance so far of Donald Sims Early or Three Ships. That could be due to the fact that these two and many others were repotted in the summer as part of the great lattice project; maybe that disturbance has held them back a little. I guess if I'd been dunked in strong disinfectant and fungicide for three days I'd be a bit cautious of poking my nose up above ground!
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80 showing already! :o
For me this year things are fairly early. Barnes has flowered and well over, it was flowering by early October. Peter Gatehouse is in full bloom and has been for over a week, and by the looks of it, Three Ships won't be far behind. Plenty of others poking through too.
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I like the idea of a roll call on Remembrance Day Steve, I shall adopt this for the future ;)
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Brian
Unexpected absentees get Defaulters Parade. :'(
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Alan/Brian - Here in Hertfordshire we have had the same lack of rain, particularly this autumn. Did you water any of your drops in the garden? A few weeks ago I noticed some alliums near where I had watered in a new plant had much better root growth than those in another part of the garden that had no watering. So then I went round and gave a good soaking to all the spots where I have early bulbs planted, obviously in the hope of stimulating root growth. Fingers crossed that this wont do more harm than good.
Chris
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Hello Chris, I didn't water anything until quite recently and was surprised today to see Colossus about 3" tall with buds showing! The water will have helped them with root formation.
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I like the idea of a roll call on Remembrance Day Steve, I shall adopt this for the future ;)
Me too. 8)
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Now I am getting slightly paranoid here in Northamptonshire,with Steve only in the next county,all I have showing at the moment is r-o :( :(
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Be Happy chas
If all the others have the drops gone
you still enjoy them :)
and you can do (http://smilies-gifs.com/burla-provocacion/5burla-provocacion.gif)
Roland
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Chas I would say all is well with you, I wish it was the same here, both Jane-Ann and I were saying so at the CGS on Sunday :-\
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Here similar situation, only first G.r.-o. and G. peshmenii are in flower, G. cilicicus are above the ground and nothing to see of any of the early G. elwesii monostictus.
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I was planting yesterday in is what was more like dust than soil :o, certainly not seen conditions like it in the nearly 20 years I've been here, I did water the chips I planted in the spring for a few months due to the very dry spring but I haven't been watering any drops, did find some nivalis bulbs where I was planting with healthy looking roots, I very much doubt it could do any harm to water.
couldn't find any other early flowers today, looks like the E. Barnes have gone.
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Only a minority of the roll-call are in flower; the usual suspects (Barnes) plus Amy Jade, rizehensis Early to Rize, Elwesii monostictus, Emmelina, Monostictus hiemalis, Moses Basket, and Remember Remember. Sentinel, Robin Hood and Zwanenburg about to do so.
My clump of Autumn Beauty is continuing to produce fresh flowers after five weeks, with quite a lot of twin scapes.
I don't know if water supply is affecting things. Certainly through the long hot dry spells of the past months I kept the hosepipe going.
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My Reginae-Olgae have not done very well this year. The hot weather in October meant that the flowers went over very quickly and quite a few flowers vanished, presumably falling prey to slugs and snails that were still very active in that warm weather.
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My clump of Autumn Beauty is continuing to produce fresh flowers after five weeks, with quite a lot of twin scapes.
Steve - This reginae-olgae sounds like a winner. I guess elwesii increases the hardiness as an add-on. I suppose we should do the cross here to get some reliably hardy autumn bloomers.
Are there any verified nivalis x reginae-olgae hybrids? That would be even hardier.
Tilebarn Jamie is out here.
johnw - a glorious day, +15c and sunny.
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I've never seen Autumn Beauty. Does anyone have a pic they could post? I'd be interested to see both flowers and leaves as it's said to be a chance cross between elwesii hyemalis and reginae-olgae. I'm wondering if it actually shows mixed characteristics or if someone has just made an assumption. Pic anyone? Steve?
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et voila..
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et voila..
Thanks Steve. I just remembered that you posted a pic or two earlier in the autumn. Definitely looks like Autumn Beauty comprises more than one clone - two very different snowdrops in your pics. The chunky-flowered one with two scapes is (again) looking like a very good strong snowdrop. Not sure that I can see much in the way of hybridity in the leaves. They look pretty much like straight elwesii.
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Martin
Yes, three inner marking variations are visible. Apart from the plant's vigour, the key distinguishing characteristic is the fact that it is reliably starts to flower during September - and is still doing so.
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Martin
Yes, three inner marking variations are visible. Apart from the plant's vigour, the key distinguishing characteristic is the fact that it is reliably starts to flower during September - and is still doing so.
Some of the leaves look like they're not very convolute, tending towards applanate. Difficult to tell from photos. Might have some reginae-olgae blood, or equally just be very early elwesii hyemalis. Can't say I like this business of people marketing groups of seedling clones under a single name, based on the fact that they all flower around the same time or all have varying amounts of green on the outers etc., rather than single distinct clones being named separately. I can see the short-term commercial attractions of it but it can't help but cause problems in the long term.
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Some Galanthus peshmenii in Turkey last week
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These are quite delightful Tony.
It would be a hard hearted soul who was not able to take pleasure in seeing these little flowers in their natural habitat.
Interesting variations in the markings from the "moustache" type to the perfect little upturned heart shaped version.
Some, like those in picture 3, seem to have broader, more sulcate, petals.... very pretty indeed.
You mentioned elswhere in the Forum that the trip was not the best you've had, Tony.... weather, lack of some flowers and so on... was it not a rather frighteneing time to be near an earthquake zone?
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Splendid shots of the peshmenii Tony. Number 3 especially would rank as one of my favourite snowdrop pix. Looks like grit, cliffs and roots would mean sharp drainage for this species...
johnw - +14c and sunny again.
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These are quite delightful Tony.
It would be a hard hearted soul who was not able to take pleasure in seeing these little flowers in their natural habitat.
She's starting to crack! About time. :o
johnw
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Tony
Was this the location at Geldema ??
Roland
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peshmenii 3 is my favourite also
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Emmelina out today. A long ovary like Warley Longbow.
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Tony
Was this the location at Geldema ??
Roland
yes,there were also a few out on the large rock lower down the gorge
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These are quite delightful Tony.
It would be a hard hearted soul who was not able to take pleasure in seeing these little flowers in their natural habitat.
You mentioned elswhere in the Forum that the trip was not the best you've had, Tony.... weather, lack of some flowers and so on... was it not a rather frighteneing time to be near an earthquake zone?
Maggi
I had gone to find some new things and it was 500 miles each way from the airport only to find that it was parched and like a desert when I got there and one crocus had popped up. Not a profitable use of time. Unbroken sunshine and 25c every day.
I was probably another 500 miles from the earthquake zone,Turkey is such an enormous country.
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not really a November Snowdrop but spotted what will be my first flowering chip (Mighty Atom from 2008) so it made my day :)
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These are quite delightful Tony.
It would be a hard hearted soul who was not able to take pleasure in seeing these little flowers in their natural habitat.
You mentioned elswhere in the Forum that the trip was not the best you've had, Tony.... weather, lack of some flowers and so on... was it not a rather frighteneing time to be near an earthquake zone?
Maggi
I had gone to find some new things and it was 500 miles each way from the airport only to find that it was parched and like a desert when I got there and one crocus had popped up. Not a profitable use of time. Unbroken sunshine and 25c every day.
I was probably another 500 miles from the earthquake zone,Turkey is such an enormous country.
Yes, an enormous country, Tony, but for some of us, 500 miles is not far enough away from an eartrhquake! :o
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not really a November Snowdrop but spotted what will be my first flowering chip (Mighty Atom from 2008) so it made my day :)
Very satisfying isn't it Richard ;D
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Tony
Was this the location at Geldema ??
Roland
yes,there were also a few out on the large rock lower down the gorge
Yes it was fantastic to see
I found the small spot at the waterfall also intriguing
lot of peshmenii in the cracks from the rocks
sometimes the hole was just large enough
to let out the flower and the leaves :o
Roland
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Tony nice peshmenii 8) a shame that you didn't have more luck
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Steve, I love your Emmelina! She is a beauty!
Lina.
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Emmelina out today. A long ovary like Warley Longbow.
Is it a reginae-olgae?
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I have been away/busy for a few days so only just catching up on the recent posts. Thanks for all the comments on watering through the dry UK autumn, feel much relieved that others have been doing at least the occasional watering.
Love the photos of the wild peshmenii and Emmelina.
Chris
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Tony - from Turkey, beautiful photographs; great to see the situations and conditions in which these snowdrops grow in the wild.
Steve, wonderful snowdrop, so elegant.
Paddy
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not really a November Snowdrop but spotted what will be my first flowering chip (Mighty Atom from 2008) so it made my day :)
Very satisfying isn't it Richard ;D
it is, I was a little nervous about planting them last year but they seem to be better than the ones I left in pots.
the byzantinus ex warham you sent me are looking great, am hoping one in the greenhouse will be flowering by xmas.
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the byzantinus ex warham you sent me are looking great, am hoping one in the greenhouse will be flowering by xmas.
Jolly good, I am amazed at how far advanced they are this year, don't expect it every year Richard ;)
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Is it a reginae-olgae?
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Mark, no, an early elwesii.
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Thanks a lot for sharing the superb pictures of G. peshmenii, Tony!
I agree, Emmelina is a very nice one - not very usual for a G. elwesii I would think.
A very nice surprise in the garden: Galanthus cilicicus - twin headed :)
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A very nice surprise in the garden: Galanthus cilicicus - twin headed :)
I see two stems fused together
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Tony, impressing pictures of lovely clumps of peshmenii!
Do you see a big difference to reginae-olgae?
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Pauli
The leaves are completely different
Roland
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A very nice surprise in the garden: Galanthus cilicicus - twin headed :)
I see two stems fused together
Yes, it seems so - will check this plant tomorrow with a bit of daylight.
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Checking the twin headed Galanthus cilicicus I think both flowers are on a single stem, not on two fused ones - the stem has the same diameter as single flowering specimen.
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Galanthus reginae-olgae 'Cambridge' today.
johnw
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Hans a lovely double-decker G.cilicicus, I think this form is really fun and seems to arise now and again. The question is will it do it next year 8)
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Thanks Brian, I doubt it will do this regulary - for growing a snowdrop with two flowers I planted G.e. 'Kite', but it never produced a second flower, maybe the conditions are not perfect for this snowdrop as it starts growing too late for the local conditions.
So I am happy I am growing a snowdrop I know it is able to produce a second flower on a single scape - even if it will not show it the next years or decades... ;)
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I would still mark it Hans. We went to Snowdrop Acre (Greatorex's plot) and found a 'double decker' there. It has been consistent for two years so far...watch this space.
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I think I may have mentioned before that I have been trying to extend the snowdrop flowering season forwards. My search of the last few years has started to pay off and I have had a few snowdrops in flower since the beginning of November.
Below are a couple of flowers from today:
1 - 'Santa Claus'
2 - 'Sheds and Outhouses'
It is this 'after summer - pre winter' time that is the start of when I really do need something in the garden to cheer me up and keep the S.A.D. at bay.
If anyone reading can help me out with early flowering bulbs - please do get in touch. :)
Best wishes to you all for the 'exciting' white and green times ahead. ;D
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I would still mark it Hans. We went to Snowdrop Acre (Greatorex's plot) and found a 'double decker' there. It has been consistent for two years so far...watch this space.
Thanks Brian, I will keep an eye on it. Yes, I remember the pictures of the 'doble decker' you found. ;)
Beautiful snowdrops, John. :)
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I think I may have mentioned before that I have been trying to extend the snowdrop flowering season forwards. My search of the last few years has started to pay off and I have had a few snowdrops in flower since the beginning of November.
Below are a couple of flowers from today:
1 - 'Santa Claus'
2 - 'Sheds and Outhouses'
It is this 'after summer - pre winter' time that is the start of when I really do need something in the garden to cheer me up and keep the S.A.D. at bay.
If anyone reading can help me out with early flowering bulbs - please do get in touch. :)
Best wishes to you all for the 'exciting' white and green times ahead. ;D
Nice dark ovary on Santa Claus. John. An elwesii I assume.
It must have once flowered around Christmas time I guess, to have been given that name. Not a good idea really to name snowdrops after the time they (sometimes) flower. It just looks silly when later they (inevitably) flower at any time BUT the time they were named for.
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.... Not a good idea really to name snowdrops after the time they (sometimes) flower....
No, but then again the name "Sheds and Outhouses" is just downright weird.
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Nice dark ovary on Santa Claus. John. An elwesii I assume.
It must have once flowered around Christmas time I guess, to have been given that name. Not a good idea really to name snowdrops after the time they (sometimes) flower. It just looks silly when later they (inevitably) flower at any time BUT the time they were named for.
Certainly Three Ships can arrive in port early or late but Santa had better be on time!
Who on earth named that other one?
Nice to have them in flower now though.
johnw
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.... Not a good idea really to name snowdrops after the time they (sometimes) flower....
No, but then again the name "Sheds and Outhouses" is just downright weird.
Indeed.
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Looks like Finale will not be the finale in my garden this year. Most now have their noses above ground.
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good new pic Mark. Your best side?
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good new pic Mark. Your best side?
yes. Scar on the other side -true but I dont notice it any more.
That was me looking for 2 Taiga Bean geese and 5 White-fronted geese among c.100 of greylag geese and maybe 250 Whooper swans
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I've just this moment had a phone call from a friend. Her news has stunned me. While she was summering as usual in Dorsett I planted some spare snowdrops in her garden in late August. Remember it was -3c here last night. She said "I have a snowdrop in flower and the label says 'Peg Sharples'. It's been in flower for 3 days and I'm going out to photograph it this very moment". Since she is using film - that stunned me as well - it may be sometime before we get to see it. I can hardly believe it. Peg Sharples? :o Now it must face a very long winter.
johnw
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Goodness she'll regret sticking her nose up this early :-\
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Goodness she'll regret sticking her nose up this early :-\
Especially with a snowstorm tomorrow! A predicted +10c by the weekend, they say it will all be but a memory by then. Poor Peg.
johnw
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Well I have been out and done a recce this morning,and can report that one 3 ships is in flower :) and quite a few noses of others just starting to break the surface,its nice to finally have a little time to spend in the garden,Just need to get the other plants (tree peonies) that have just arrived via mail order planted
Have also just booked two weeks holiday in February :) :)...............................................................just planning which events to go to,very tempted to try to fit a continental trip in this year ;)
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Be careful Chas, tree peonies are very addictive. A bit like snowdrops...and daphnes...and maple trees.
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A bit like snowdrops...and daphnes...and maple trees...and expensive.
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Well I have been out and done a recce this morning,and can report that one 3 ships is in flower :) and quite a few noses of others just starting to break the surface....
Same here Chas - 'Three Ships' is just starting - a whole month earlier than last year. And so many other noses are on their way skyward. At this rate - If this mild season continues everything is going to be flowering for Christmas!
Have also just booked two weeks holiday in February :)
Where are you off to Chas? I am visiting Madeira again in Feb.
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John we are thinking either Holland or Germany,will pm you some time today ;)
We have only the one flower at the moment but another 6 noses through
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Chas
Who wants to Holland in the winter :o
I am so happy I am not in Holland in the winter
Try Corsica
Nice nature, fantastic food and a better temperature 8)
Roland
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Miss the Kinderdijk windmills on a frosty morning? Ice on the water around Marken village? Bewick swans and widgeon grazing alongside the Ijsselmeer? Steaming hot chocolate at a pavement cafe in Delft as the carillon plays? No queues at the Rijksmuseum? Miss it?
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Steve
I miss one word
TRAFFIC-JAM :o
with on the radio:
Its normal today
just 320 km traffic jam
we mention the traffic jams longer as 7 km :-[
Roland
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Galanthus elwesii monostictus ex Backhouse garden via Veronica Cross is now open. I didnt notice it until just now
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New avatar Mark? You look very much the "country gent" ;D
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New avatar Mark? You look very much the "country gent" ;D
Dont know about gent - maybe wannabe
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If you don't watch it they'll be signing you up for Downton Abbey!
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If you don't watch it they'll be signing you up for Downton Abbey!
Or Emmerdale ;D
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Last of the Summer Wine? Vicar of Dibley? No, no, no, no.....yes!
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;D ;D ;D
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The first to open here in the garden. It has been out for nearly two weeks but opened today in the lovely sunny weather.
G. elw. 'Barnes' - which, I fear, may have virus. Opinions?
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The first to open here in the garden. It has been out for nearly two weeks but opened today in the lovely sunny weather.
G. elw. 'Barnes' - which, I fear, may have virus. Opinions?
I'd treat it with suspicion, Paddy. Some mottling/breaking of the ovary colour and inner segment mark. I'd check the leaves later in the season.
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Three ships arriving a little early this year
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Many thanks for the comment, Martin. There are only a very few bulbs in this clump and it has always been a poorly growing one and has always been a cause of concern.
Lovely clump of Three Ships, Ian. Mine are simply showing white here, none open yet.
Paddy
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Three ships arriving a little early this year
They must have opened to enjoy that sunshine, Ian. ;)
Very pretty.
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G. reginae-olgae 'Anmarie Kee', with sunshine. 8) ;)
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G. reginae-olgae 'Anmarie Kee', with sunshine. 8) ;)
Jim Kee hasn't been around the forum for months... and I'm not sure he got his birthday card.... does anyone know if he's okay?
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Jim Kee is definitely OK - I had a beer with him on Saturday.
J.
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Jim Kee is definitely OK - I had a beer with him on Saturday.
J.
Excellent!!
Cheers to you both!
M
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Galanthus reginae-olgae still in very good condition, 17 days afer I showed the first pictures.
Weather has since been without rain or snow, temperatures between -4 and 11 C
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That is lovely, Herbert... and you have been lucky with the weather, too!
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I am always jealous of these photographs of G. reg. olg. as they simply won't grow in the garden here. Lovely plants, Hans and Pauli.
Paddy
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Lovely clump of Three Ships, Ian. Mine are simply showing white here, none open yet.
Paddy
Paddy its been a funny year even Mrs Mac is well on its way
They must have opened to enjoy that sunshine, Ian. ;)
Very pretty.
To get that sun I had to run. There has not been much about here this last couple of weeks - but at least no rain
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Had a really good talk on Galanthus from Rod Begbie last night in our Aberdeen group. I found it really interesting. Not only was the pictures so lovely the talk was very informative. These little white things are so cute. I can see why he and so many others fall for them.
Ron Begbie had a chart with the dates when he bought his snowdrops and over the years he showed how his stock had multiplied and others had decreased . I found this very interesting. He had no answer why some never bulked up but had said that this is why some bulbs are still expensive after many years of them being in cultivation. I also found it interesting to hear that snowdrops push themselves up, many of my snowdrops are laying on the top of the soil. I never knew this was caused by overcrowding I thought it was just that the soil was blown of them.
Looking forward to see all mine pop up soon, they are not the expensive or unusual types that I see on this forum but they do bring me a lot of joy.
Angie :)
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Angie,
These snowdrops certainly take a hold on one and it is an interest which can last a lifetime. By chance, I telephoned a friend today, a gentleman in his eighties, and he reported he had just come indoors after lifting and dividing a large clump - as big as a football - of G. 'Compton Court'.
What other plant would draw you happily out into the garden at this time of the year?
Paddy
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one of the potted p x byzantinus ex Warham from Brian in flower today, is lovely :)
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Good article by John Grimshaw on Primrose Warburg in the December edition of The Plantsman. I don't know why but I had assumed she lived in Wymondham, Norfolk.
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Good article by John Grimshaw on Primrose Warburg in the December edition of The Plantsman. I don't know why but I had assumed she lived in Wymondham, Norfolk.
;D ;D ;D
You are confusing the blessed Primrose Warburg with dear old Ann Borrill whose garden has featured on these pages David.
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Good article by John Grimshaw on Primrose Warburg in the December edition of The Plantsman. I don't know why but I had assumed she lived in Wymondham, Norfolk.
;D ;D ;D
You are confusing the blessed Primrose Warburg with dear old Ann Borrill whose garden has featured on these pages David.
That's it Brian, you got it.