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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: meanie on October 04, 2011, 06:48:36 AM
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Had to start this off as Sues Passiflora antioquensis has finally bloomed thanks to the recent burst of warm weather.
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What a super colour.... and great markings .... plus the contrast with the lime green foliage is lovely. What an exotic flower to celebrate October!
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What a super colour.... and great markings .... plus the contrast with the lime green foliage is lovely. What an exotic flower to celebrate October!
Sue bought it when we called in at Hill House Nursery - she almost passed up on it until I convinced her otherwise. Her thinking was that it would need a good summer. Had it not been for the last week I would have had egg all over my face!
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Following on from the few pictures I posted last month Davey has sent me a message to ask for some more pictures of the Cyclamen hederifolium that I grow. I've just been round the garden taking pics to try and show examples of the various different leaf forms that are here.
Probably far too many pictures ::) Hope they are not too boring for people (Maggi - feel free to delete some if 25 pics is too many!)
I am more a 'leaf person' that 'flower person' where Cyclamen are concerned.
John
John has posted some terrific cyclamen foliage shots..... I have transferred them to the Cyclamen 2011 pages ..... so don't miss them, they are really super!
You can see them here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6433.msg216246#msg216246
"cyclamen" are included , for the purposes of the forum, under "Bulbs" (lumpy underground storage organs being our WIDE definition!!) ;D ;)
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Some of the very late bloomers like Impatiens omeiana flower now and will continue till it is killed by freezing.
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What a super plant that Impatiens omeiana is ...... great flowers and how neat the little spines in the teeth of the leaves. :o
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What a super plant that Impatiens omeiana is ...... great flowers and how neat the little spines in the teeth of the leaves. :o
I have to agree!
Is the growth habit similar to I.niamniamensis? Makes a cracking houseplant along with the second one, I.morsei as long as you're prepared to be vigilant with regards to red spider mite. Both are in perpetual bloom.
The third one was taken at Oxfords botanic gardens the other day - I.balfourii.
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What a super plant that Impatiens omeiana is ...... great flowers and how neat the little spines in the teeth of the leaves. :o
What a super plant that Impatiens omeiana is ...... great flowers and how neat the little spines in the teeth of the leaves. :o
I have to agree!
Is the growth habit similar to I.niamniamensis? Makes a cracking houseplant along with the second one, I.morsei as long as you're prepared to be vigilant with regards to red spider mite. Both are in perpetual bloom.
The third one was taken at Oxfords botanic gardens the other day - I.balfourii.
It is not quite like any of those you mention, meanie - I had I. morseii in the garden for two years (kept it indoors in winter). It made a great garden plant!
I. omeiana is a very pretty plant, and the leaves are decorative too. It is too late to take pictures now, but I'll show you tomorrow. I forgot to say that it is a hardy plant and the roots survive very cold weather. It is the leaves and flowers which are killed by frost.
It makes a clump with several stems 30-50cm tall, slowly spreading outwards. No trouble with seedlings like I glandulifera as the seeds never ripen. It tolerates shade too.
Here is another annual Impatiens somewhat similar to glandulifera but shorter and with several branches.
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Inspiring words Hoy, as I have been looking to the balsams for my largely shady garden.
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Inspiring words Hoy, as I have been looking to the balsams for my largely shady garden.
I can recommend Impatiens omeiana.
Here are a few shots of the whole plant.
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How many years have you had it, Hoy? It has seemed quite invasive in the years it's proven hardy, but being borderline for me I actually lost it outside last winter... There are several nice leaf forms of it, I think posted a picture of them here a couple of years ago.
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Well, I didn't participate in this forum a couple of years ago ;D
I've had it for several years - at least 10. It spreads slowly outwards and is no problem where it grows now in a rather moist but not wet site underneath a Castanea sativa tree. I have a few other clones (very similar) and they do not spread at all but they are growing in drier sites.
I had hard frost without snow cover last winter (-15C) and it survived undamaged.
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Leaf is definitely more attractive than the Dan Hinkley collection Impatiens "Emei Dawn" which I presume is also a form of I. omeiana? Leaves of that one are evenly light green with pink flowers. I wish I could take a picture of it but the wind and heavy rains have reduced it to a pathetic pile of green....
Impatiens "Emei Dawn" slowly spreads (but is manageable) and survived last winter without a problem.
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There have been a few pix of this most attractive impatiens I. omeiana in the Forum.....
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5843.msg163626#msg163626 from Bjørnar
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5556.msg156027#msg156027 from Luit
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7532.msg209065#msg209065 from Tim .......
but Trond has been the first to show these wonderful yellow flowers! I'm hooked!
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There have been a few pix of this most attractive impatiens I. omeiana in the Forum.....
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5843.msg163626#msg163626 from Bjørnar
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5556.msg156027#msg156027 from Luit
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7532.msg209065#msg209065 from Tim .......
but Trond has been the first to show these wonderful yellow flowers! I'm hooked!
Interesting ;D
I got my plant from Dan Hinkley when he was in charge at Heronswood. If you want a piece of the rhizome it is no trouble mailing it to you.
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Trond, I would be very pleased indeed to accept your offer... I will pm my address :-*
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You are welcome :)
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It looks like a refined Impatiens glandulifera?
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Pascal;
'Emei Dawn' is a different species from I. omeiana, although I have no idea which one... I never even got it to sprout here, may have to ask you for a root when your plant is larger ;) 'Milo', I. arguta, 'Magnar' - they all died this last winter, so -20C is apparently a bit too cold for them.
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No prob Bjørnar, will dig one up for you when you get back. It seems to only produce female flowers so is not able to spread through seeds.
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Tricyrtis hirta var. masamunei '紫酔(Shi-Sui)'. The name means 'purple' + 'rapture'. It is said that the original plant was found and collected from a wild T. hirta var. masamunei population at Kagoshima and propagated by seeds. Unfortunately, leaves got damages by typhoon 2 weeks ago.
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Tricyrtis hirta var. masamunei '紫酔(Shi-Sui)'. The name means 'purple' + 'rapture'. It is said that the original plant was found and collected from a wild T. hirta var. masamunei population at Kagoshima and propagated by seeds. Unfortunately, leaves got damages by typhoon 2 weeks ago.
A very nice flower! Sorry about the typhoon damaging the leaves. Here it is the slugs which damage the new shoots in spring.
Bjørnar, do you want a piece of omeiana as well? My 'Milo' froze too but I found seedling. However, when I had potted them up the slugs found the seedlings too although I had placed the pots high and dry (nothing is really dry here these days) >:( >:( >:( :'(
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Nice form Tatsuo, there are so many Tricyrtis varieties offered now :D
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A rather tatty looking Impatiens "Emei Dawn" which has been battered by the wind and rain. The wind is still strong so not the best picture but it gives some idea how this hardy one looks. Flowers are pale pink with a yellow-orange throat.
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Even in the north we still have flowers, and no frost yet, which is rather unusual.
Gentiana x macaulyi
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Yes we in Perthshire Scotland are also having unusually Mild weather, it has hardly stopped raining since June think I am going to start Bog Gardening.
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Yes we in Perthshire Scotland are also having unusually Mild weather, it has hardly stopped raining since June think I am going to start Bog Gardening.
A few of us have had that feeling! Just mind you don't get the urge to start bog-snorkelling as well.... not a respectable thing for SRGC members, I'm sure! ;D
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It is not raining everywhere! We crossed the mountain plateau of Hardangervidda (1300m asl) today (Saturday Oct 8) - a bright blue heaven with only a few small woolly lambs resting near the horizon. it is a long time since I have seen the unclouded sky! However the other day a snowstorm passed and left some white stuff. And tomorrow the forecast says more of the same.
Still I found a few plants in bloom. Here is a greeting to Ranunculus from another ;)
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Puya mirabilis is looking better than ever after this very wet summer. The flower stalk is over 1.5m high. Note how the slugs have managed to climb to the top and taken a few bits of the buds before being squished. How do they know there's a meal up that stalk?
johnw - 24c today after a very warm October night.
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Today we are hit by the predicted snowstorm - a bit early in the season even for this place 1000m ASL.
A few plants strive to cope with the snow. A goldenrod (Solidago virgaurea), a knapweed (Centaurea scabiosa), a completely unseasonal dandelion (Taraxacum sp) and a Jacob's ladder (Polemonium caeruleum); and the meadow.
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Puya mirabilis is looking better than ever after this very wet summer. The flower stalk is over 1.5m high. Note how the slugs have managed to climb to the top and taken a few bits of the buds before being squished. How do they know there's a meal up that stalk?
johnw - 24c today after a very warm October night.
24C at this time of the year? That will never happen here!
Johnw have you ever tried any Puya outside? I remember seeing them very high up in the Andes.
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Hoy - It actually got to 27c here today and it's still 23c at 21:17. Windows are thrown open and hard to believe there was snow on the roads through some of the higher passes on Nova Scotia just last week. Southern New Brunswick was 29c.
I bought the Puya out in Vancouver and was told to try it outside. I haven't been brave enough. Is mirabilis the hardiest species? I'm am amazed at the size of the buds.
johnw
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So was on Friday...
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Pascal
Thank you, I'm hoping I have something tempting for you when I get back ;) I. qingchengshanica perhaps?
Bjørnar, do you want a piece of omeiana as well? My 'Milo' froze too but I found seedling. However, when I had potted them up the slugs found the seedlings too although I had placed the pots high and dry (nothing is really dry here these days) >:( >:( >:( :'(
Thanks, but I have them all, I've kept backups inside :) Think I have 5 or 6 different ones, but still searching for the purple-leaved one which I don't think has been introduced. I'm a bit curious about how you got 'Milo'? It's named after a cat of mine, it's my nick on GardenWeb ;D If you've lost it I got backup from a friend in Bergen, she said it was rather weedy there.
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A few photos.
Puya mirabilis unexpectedly opened a few flowers overnight; they are much bigger than I expected.
The Celmisia I had almost written off as dead this Spring as it went flabby. Blame the high priestess Lesley on its resurrection.
One flower on the Rhodothamnus chamaecistus. Surprised to see seed pods on x Phyllothamnus erectus.
johnw
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A few photos.
Puya mirabilis unexpectedly opened a few flowers overnight; they are much bigger than I expected.
The Celmisia I had almost written off as dead this Spring as it went flabby. Blame the high priestess Lesley on its resurrection.
One flower on the Rhodothamnus chamaecistus. Surprised to see seed pods on x Phyllothamnus erectus.
johnw
Oh, did Lesley swear to something?
The Puya certainly is mirabilis ;) I have one seedling of a Puya - can't remember which one but hopefully it is as spectacular as yours.
Bjørnar, do you want a piece of omeiana as well? My 'Milo' froze too but I found seedling. However, when I had potted them up the slugs found the seedlings too although I had placed the pots high and dry (nothing is really dry here these days) >:( >:( >:( :'(
Thanks, but I have them all, I've kept backups inside :) Think I have 5 or 6 different ones, but still searching for the purple-leaved one which I don't think has been introduced. I'm a bit curious about how you got 'Milo'? It's named after a cat of mine, it's my nick on GardenWeb ;D If you've lost it I got backup from a friend in Bergen, she said it was rather weedy there.
I got 'Milo' (I believe the name was that) as a gift when I bought some plants a few years back. Maybe it was you I bought from? (En internettside "Stauder" tror jeg det var.)
It was hardy until last winter. I had a huge clump of it but all froze or maybe rotted as it was cold and then damp and then cold again. I would like to get it once more ;)
So was on Friday...
Very nice, Natalia!
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Oh, did Lesley swear to something?
Yes Hoy, she told me to give it a good stiff drink and it would revive. Also one for me. ;)
johnw
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I got 'Milo' (I believe the name was that) as a gift when I bought some plants a few years back. Maybe it was you I bought from? (En internettside "Stauder" tror jeg det var.)
It was hardy until last winter. I had a huge clump of it but all froze or maybe rotted as it was cold and then damp and then cold again. I would like to get it once more ;)
That must have been me, years ago ;D I wasn't sure if Haakon/Nautesund had put it into production, haven't sold it for some time. Remind me in mid November or early next spring, and I'll send you a couple of roots, had the same experience with it as you, it stayed hardy here for 10 years.
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I got 'Milo' (I believe the name was that) as a gift when I bought some plants a few years back. Maybe it was you I bought from? (En internettside "Stauder" tror jeg det var.)
It was hardy until last winter. I had a huge clump of it but all froze or maybe rotted as it was cold and then damp and then cold again. I would like to get it once more ;)
That must have been me, years ago ;D I wasn't sure if Haakon/Nautesund had put it into production, haven't sold it for some time. Remind me in mid November or early next spring, and I'll send you a couple of roots, had the same experience with it as you, it stayed hardy here for 10 years.
The World is small. Nice to meet you again ;) Thank you ;D
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Gentiana 'Eugen's Allerbester'
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Nice Michael, mines been over a few weeks now.
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Not really hardy here, but it gives a splendid color in the garden now.
And a very good cut flower, lasting more than a week in a vase!
Leonotis leonurus
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The fall colour! Physalis alkeengi, a rather boring perennial except in its fruiting stage.
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We were given Physalis by a friend many years ago and boy I had no idea how much it runs!! It has an exceptionally tenacious root which makes it pretty difficult to curb. The same friend gave us Macleaya and a very free seeding Campanula species; I think they all did battle in her garden and probably came to some sort of truce! But the Physalis does look rather fine at this time of year.
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The Physalis can't run from where it is growing! We were aware of that and put it in a constrained place between rocky outcroppings.
I too have a few rampant Campanulas, I have to admit that. Planted before I realized their potential!
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Have just caught up with this most interesting topic so lots to think about. John I'd forgotten about the Celmisia. It's good when one's advice occasionally comes up trumps. It looks fine now anyway.
And I want to say, Meanie, if you can pollinate your passiflora and get a fruit, do it because P. antioquiensis is the BEST of all for flavour. It's not hardy with me and I have no glass cover but a friend who gardens in the north of the North Island has it scrambling among his trees and the fruit is really to die for. :D
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I thought I had lost my miniscule Rhodothamnus seedlings over the winter, even with a magnifying glass I could see nothing until yesterday when I noticed pin-prick sized leaves on little brown stems. The whole plants are no more than 2mm high - still! :'( But they've come through 2 winters now. Are they every going to get any bigger?
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I thought I had lost my miniscule Rhodothamnus seedlings over the winter, even with a magnifying glass I could see nothing until yesterday when I noticed pin-prick sized leaves on little brown stems. The whole plants are no more than 2mm high - still! :'( But they've come through 2 winters now. Are they every going to get any bigger?
Lesley - I got mine from Siskyou Rare Plants back in 1995. It was in a 2" pot and is now 6" across. In New Zealnd with your wonderful climate it should be even bigger than that in 5 years. Baldassare said he rooted cuttings whilst still quite soft.
Any pix from your recent Rhodo show?
johnw
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I hope I don't die before it does ???
Baldessare rings a bell. He was here some years ago I think and I seem to remember a marvellous story about communist block botanists exploring/studying in Yellowstone National Park. When both disappeared and it was realized a huge female had eaten the Russian, the guides said "The Czech's in the male." ;D
No pics of the rhodos sorry, the show was in Chch and I couldn't go up this year. Maybe someone like Doug Logan has some. I have more pics for the Trillium weekend thread but am finding it hard to get the time to post them. I might be able to take a pic of the couple of flowers (mean thing) on R. megeratum.
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Thanks, but I have them all, I've kept backups inside :) Think I have 5 or 6 different ones, but still searching for the purple-leaved one which I don't think has been introduced. I'm a bit curious about how you got 'Milo'? It's named after a cat of mine, it's my nick on GardenWeb ;D If you've lost it I got backup from a friend in Bergen, she said it was rather weedy there.
I have another clone of omeiana as well. It is blooming now for the first time ever. I think all the rain this summer has been to its liking. It has somewhat purple leaves (a bad picture but you can see the colour of the leaf).
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Very nice omeiana Hoy ;)
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I have another clone of omeiana as well. It is blooming now for the first time ever. I think all the rain this summer has been to its liking. It has somewhat purple leaves (a bad picture but you can see the colour of the leaf).
Very nice! I have it, but don't believe I've actually ever seen it in flower, I've been away the last couple of years. Here's the really purple-leaved one I was talking about, on WawuShan: http://www.mrimpatiens.com/images/species/Impatiens%20omeiana%20ex%20wawu%20shan%20sichuan.jpg
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I didn't know I. omeiana had so many coloured foliage forms ::)
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Very nice omeiana Hoy ;)
Thanks ;)I didn't know I. omeiana had so many coloured foliage forms ::)
Neither did I although I have 3 different forms.I have another clone of omeiana as well. It is blooming now for the first time ever. I think all the rain this summer has been to its liking. It has somewhat purple leaves (a bad picture but you can see the colour of the leaf).
Very nice! I have it, but don't believe I've actually ever seen it in flower, I've been away the last couple of years. Here's the really purple-leaved one I was talking about, on WawuShan: http://www.mrimpatiens.com/images/species/Impatiens%20omeiana%20ex%20wawu%20shan%20sichuan.jpg
Bjørnar, den var flott!
I didn't know that photo gallery and although I knew it exists many species I hadn't realized that number - and many hardy ones too!
Do you know any retailers shipping to Norway?
Here are some forms I pictured in East Africa a couple of years ago. I don't think any of them are hardy!
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Impatiens world is immense ::) http://www.hodnik.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=21&sort=2a&page=15
http://www.pepinierefleursdusud.com/fichesrecap/recap-impatiens.html
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Bjørnar, den var flott!
I didn't know that photo gallery and although I knew it exists many species I hadn't realized that number - and many hardy ones too!
Do you know any retailers shipping to Norway?
I don't off-hand, I'm afraid, but I think there's one in the Netherlands selling a couple of hardy species... Plant Delights may also ship to Europe? Most of the hardy species in cultivation are still quite obscure and hard to find, and I think only a fraction of those that have a potential for hardiness have been introduced.
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Lesley - I may have the use of quite a large glasshouse next year, and this will be in there. So hopefully I'll be able to sample them then.
Fleurbleue - that was an interesting link, thanks!
My final Tricyrtis (T.hirta Lightening Strike) has finally bloomed this week. It got a little stroppy about the cool nights and was dropping its buds, so I had to move it into the conservatory at night to get it into bloom.
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I grow I. puberula and I. arguta in my garden on which I put leaves for winter. Untill now, they seem hardy enough but they get no seeds. I have just bought I. uniflora but I'll plant it only in next spring.
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I can recommend Impatiens omeiana.
Here are a few shots of the whole plant.
My Impatiens omeiana looks nothing like yours. Mine is only 15cm high. I'll look for a photo.
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I can recommend Impatiens omeiana.
Here are a few shots of the whole plant.
My Impatiens omeiana looks nothing like yours. Mine is only 15cm high. I'll look for a photo.
Yes please! My plants are much taller as you can see here - the tallest are 60cm. However they grow in the shade of a Sweet Chestnut tree.
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I grow I. puberula and I. arguta in my garden on which I put leaves for winter. Untill now, they seem hardy enough but they get no seeds. I have just bought I. uniflora but I'll plant it only in next spring.
I am always looking for new species to try! hanks for the links.
However I never cover my plants with anything as they seem to cope well with the winter anyway.
Meanie, nice Tricyrtis!
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Two days ago
(http://cs10623.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/45874243/y_aa06a906.jpg)
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Our 'Indian' summer (we are still getting really warm days down in the south-east) is allowing many plants to go on flowering beautifully. A couple here are Cosmos atrosanguineus - I think this looks good with silver and white-variegated foliage plants - and the orange wallflower, which has flowered continuously from when we bought it in the summer. With the warm weather has been very little rain, so trees and shrubs are dropping their leaves prematurely and the autumn colours have been transient, although a virginia creeper climbing a birch in our front garden has looked fabulous for a couple of weeks.
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My plants of Clematis ranunculoides are now in their second year from seed and made shots up to 1.7 m.
Many buds have formed, but I fear, that the coming harder frost will kill them.
Has any other forumist some experience with this nice plant?
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A very nice one I just discover here ! Thanks to share its pic with us ;)
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My plants of Clematis ranunculoides are now in their second year from seed and made shots up to 1.7 m.
Many buds have formed, but I fear, that the coming harder frost will kill them.
Has any other forumist some experience with this nice plant?
ruweiss A very fine plant!
I have never grown it but Christopher Grey-Wilson says in his book "Clematis The Genus" that its chief enemy is winter wet and not cold and the hardiness rating is H8 (USDA).
Where did you obtain seed?
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Rudi, very interesting plant! My congratulations!
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Many buds have formed, but I fear, that the coming harder frost will kill them.
Has any other forumist some experience with this nice plant?
I grew it for 5 years outside, it always ended up being zapped in bud, the closest I came to flowering was the stage your plant is at now. It's a fairly low altitude plant in nature (~1500m in Sichuan), I lost it two years ago to a hard freeze following a very wet autumn.
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Some years ago I bought a plant through a local society plant list but it was dormant at the time (early winter here) and it never made new shoots, so was gone before I even saw it.
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Dear friends, thank you for the friendly replies and the good advice. I keep fingers crossed, that the rather mild weather
stays still for a longer time. The seed of this beauty was collected by Josef Jurasek 2009 in Yunnan at an elevation of 3600 m.
Actually he is still in China and maybe seeds of this plant are available in his new list. jurasekalpines@atlas.cz
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This year's autumn coloration in the garden is magnificent due to the alternation of colder and warmer days and nights. All the pictures below are taken today.
First series: some overviews of the garden today
Second series: Hamamelis foliage show a wide variety of colors in autumn coloring. So Hamamelis is valuable not only for the flowers in midwinter but also for the beautiful autumn coloring.
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Series 2: Hamamelis today
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Superb colours!
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What a show freddy, you rival the east here. What is the large-leafed Magnolia in the rear of photo #3?
johnw - a big nasty storm brewing to the south, 50+mm of rain here. It is snowing in D.C. and NYC, there is sure to be a great deal of damage as the leaves are still on the trees..
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This one is flowering almost the hole year. It's Erigeron chrysopsidis ‘Grand Ridge’.
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Hello John the Magnolia on the third picture is Magnolia tripetala (Umbrella tree). A very hardy decidious tree with open head of branches. The leaves are 30-50 cm long and 15-25 cm wide. The cream flowers (15-25 cm across) are borne in May/June. They are followed by attractive, cone-shaped, red fruit clusters. The tree is maybe a little bit familiar to you because they are originally from E. United States.
Picture 1: Tree (Autumn color)
Picture 2: Leaves (Autumn color)
Picture 3: Ripe fruit
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Great display, Freddy.
Paddy
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Not that hardy, at least here :I
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Thanks for identification freddy. I had been cleaning magnolia seed all day yesterday (and today) so my radar was working. One of the batches I just cleaned and washed was tripetala x hypoleuca (formerly obovata), it's a spectacular big-leafer too with slightly broader leaves and adds a real tropical touch to a garden. The sound of rain on the leaves is wonderful.
No snow here but rain at times very heavy since midnight, now the wind is picking up and will hit 100km/hr. Sorry to hear of all the tree damage to our south. We had a similar event to that just experienced by the east, back in the late 70's - 8-10" of heavy wet stuff - and the damage was phenomenol. I understand southwestern, central and northern New Brunswick got snow and 10,000 are without power. Helen should be okay we hope.
johnw
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We can't quite approach those fantastic colours shown by freddy but they have turned out to be good this year, most arriving just in the last few days, although the virginia creeper in the birch tree in the first photo has been looking good for a couple of weeks.
I am always struck by how good some herbaceous colours can be - amsonias are brilliant, as are many hostas. I wonder how many gardeners really plant for autumn colours?
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Last autumn crocuses ...
On Saturday, the temperature is projected to -3-5 оC.
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My plants of Clematis ranunculoides are now in their second year from seed and made shots up to 1.7 m.
Many buds have formed, but I fear, that the coming harder frost will kill them.
Has any other forumist some experience with this nice plant?
Due to the extraordinary warm weather we experienced during the last weeks the buds of Clematis
ranunculoides continued to open, as the pictures of today show:
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So pretty, Rudi ..... a good colour to have in flower this time of year.
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That is a beautiful plant Rudi and if it's a little tender is well worth giving some protection. I hope it continues to flower well for your enjoyment.
The seeds of Clematis napaulensis which I mentioned earlier are now harvested and a little dried so they won't go mouldy in their packets. Those who contacted me about them should have their packets sent within the next week. Which reminds me of a couple of others I've to send as well. A tiny bit of leftover Asteranthera ovata has germinated, the pot stood in water and so too was a pot with 20 seed of Crocus pelistericus. 18 are up and growing well. :D I've taken them out of the water but am watering them each day.