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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: Hagen Engelmann on October 01, 2011, 10:30:49 PM
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It is a good time, C banaticus meets C nudiflorus.
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Crocus banaticus in the Botanical Garden Cluj
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Razvan, wow, I never saw such big area of C banaticus :o
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Razvan
What a wonderful sight, so here in the autumn.
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Crocus banaticus in the Botanical Garden Cluj
Fabulous sight! Any more pictures please?
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Hi Razvan, how are you?
Great display of C. banaticus..... 8) 8)
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Crocus wattiorum in flower today
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Some fall-blooming crocs from SE Ukraine! It's banaticus and banaticus First Snow, kotschyanus ssp. kotschyanus, and Crimean gigantic C. speciosus found by me during one of my trips that has huge flower like in Dutch hybrids if C. vernus.
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Hey Maggi
I'm fine, struggling with a very dry autumn.
Hasn't rained in over two months, and the temperatures are still in the 20s.
This autumns biggest project will be a waterwell in my garden. ;)
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Crocus wattiorum in flower today
Well grown Tony. If you get any escapees in your plunge I'm yer man ;D
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Superb croci images from all. 8) 8) 8)
Raised beds soil is bone dry, 26°C today, feels like record for bof October.
Early C. speciosus und C. pulchelus withered within 2 days.
Onyl C. goulimyi seem to withstand the higher temps.
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Superb croci images from all. 8) 8) 8)
Raised beds soil is bone dry, 26°C today, feels like record for bof October.
Early C. speciosus und C. pulchelus withered within 2 days.
Onyl C. goulimyi seem to withstand the higher temps.
Armin , here in Melbourne in March we often have 26 and more degrees when the majority of the autumn fl. Crocus are in bloom and the autumn rains start -which are then very welcome .
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Crocus speciosus in my garden.
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After a week of temperatures in the high 20's it is cooler here now :) :) The warm nights should have helped with seed set on those autumn crocus in flower, even though it meant the flowers did not last so long. Here are a few that have caught my eye recently.
A large flowered seedling of Crocus longiflorus
A pale Crocus oreocreticus seedling
Nice Crocus goulimyi leucanthus about to be pollinated
Pollinator moved on to Crocus serotinus
A narrow petalled Crocus pallasii raised from wild collected seed.
A home seedling of Crocus thomasii. Very pale, perhaps a hybrid with hadriaticus?
edit to resize the gargantuum thomasii :-[
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Superb croci images from all. 8) 8) 8)
Raised beds soil is bone dry, 26°C today, feels like record for bof October.
Early C. speciosus und C. pulchelus withered within 2 days.
Onyl C. goulimyi seem to withstand the higher temps.
Armin , here in Melbourne in March we often have 26 and more degrees when the majority of the autumn fl. Crocus are in bloom and the autumn rains start -which are then very welcome .
Otto,
I watered my crocus bed yesterday evening. In the clouldless night temperatures dropped to 8°C and overnight some more flower shots of speciosus and pulchellus appeared - really amazing fast. It must be the combination of temperature differences and moist who drives the growth.
I'm glad also C. caspius (from your seed) shows new sign of growth. I hope for flowers next year.
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Crocus speciosus in my garden.
I love crocus flowering in clumps 8) - Franz, superb as always :D
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A home seedling of Crocus thomasii. Very pale, perhaps a hybrid with hadriaticus?
Tony,
very nice croci.
Could your mouthwatering C. thomasii be perhaps a hybrid with C. oreocreticus, too?
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Thanks Armin. It is possible, I suppose. When we grow closely related species side by side, the seedlings often show unusual variation, suggesting hybrid possibilities.
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Sometimes the results are stunning, Tony ;D
Congratulations!
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This year performance of Crocus here is not that good but there is an exception with this Crocus goulimyi .......
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Kris, it is a top species in best conditions. You planted the bulbs in best line. Fantastic pic.
If I could have such pot.....
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A couple of Crocus banaticus in the garden.
A potful of a 'special' Crocus boryi, bought from Peter Moore for £2. An excellent potful :) ;D :)
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Arthur a very nice buy
and that C. goulimyi above is a delight
Some of mine today
Crocus assumaniae
Crocus laevigatus
Crocus mathewii
Crocus niveus
Crocus pallasii two forms
Crocus pulchellus
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Tony
Love the pallassii - mine are rarely that colour.
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A potful of a 'special' Crocus boryi, bought from Peter Moore for £2. An excellent potful :) ;D :)
Arthur - this looks interesting & very nice, it would be good to see it open. Why/how does Peter identify it as C. boryi ?
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Kris, the potful of white C. goulimyi is marvelous. 8) Congratulation. :)
Arthur, like the bicolor banaticus and striped C. boryi. 8)
Tony, excellent crocus species and forms. 8)
In my garden a nice C. longiflorus and C. pulchellus Zephyr pleased me until this evening a squally wind gyrated dust, dirt and leaves all around followed by a heavy rain shower. The good thing - the drought is over.
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A few today.
Crocus boryi in the morning
Crocus boryi in the afternoon
Crocus goulimyi
Crocus cambessedesii
Crocus medius
Crocus cancellatus damaescenus
Crocus pulchellus
Crocus niveus, hadriaticus. sorry this one is a bit fuzzy,strong wind blowing.
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Michael,
excellent croci collection. The C. pulchellus is a real stunner. 8)
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Michael,
your last Crocus is not a niveus, it is hadriaticus.
A few today.
Crocus boryi in the morning
Crocus boryi in the afternoon
Crocus goulimyi
Crocus cambessedesii
Crocus medius
Crocus cancellatus damaescenus
Crocus pulchellus
Crocus niveus, sorry this one is a bit fuzzy,strong wind blowing.
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Thanks Dirk, I have changed the name above.
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A potful of a 'special' Crocus boryi, bought from Peter Moore for £2. An excellent potful :) ;D :)
Arthur - this looks interesting & very nice, it would be good to see it open. Why/how does Peter identify it as C. boryi ?
Gerry
Will try to get a shot of the open flower. Has white anthers, twice the size of laevigatus and I presume the corm - will investigate when plant is dormant. Peter has found several forms and this is probably the best.
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CROCUS SPECIOSUS
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Very tired in evenings and haven't time even for checking forum. so only few pictures.
At first - variability of Crocus tournefortii - flower color, but especially throat
Crocus oreocreticus - my stock very uniform
Crocus wattiorum is very easy to identify
Something similar in color is Crocus nerimaniae but of completely different flower shape. Unfortunately natural population from where comes my stock is very infected with virus. Two years ago I visited this locality and long time passed to search for 10 healthy looking plants. Now they started flowering and 3 were dug out because flowers showed virus infection - so it was in plants in nature. All others were carefully pollinated to receive some seeds, hoping that seedlings will be healthy.
Usually viruses are not transfered by seeds but last researches made in Holland showed that there are some exceptions. Tobaco rattle virus infecting a lot of bulbs can be transfered through seeds of common chick-weed - Stellaria media. So seedlings of this weed can be infected, too.
Janis
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Janis, sorry to hear you are weary.... we hope for better strength for you soon. Thank you for sharing the photos with us. You must have had some sun or heat to open the blossoms so wide for the camera. What wonderful markings on the C. oreocreticus!
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Flowering today:
Crocus goulimyi
Crocus longiflorus in the garden
Crocus ochroleucus in the garden
Crocus mathewii in the garden
and second flush of Crocus vallicola
Poul
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We had nice, sunny and moderately warm day, may be last such this autumn, when I with my wife could sit in evening outside with glass of wine. All the day passed checking and picturing autumn crocuses. In this entry view of Crocus collection bed - on left side spring blooming section (another bed of spring bloomers remained out of picture).
Further various forms of Crocus mathewii, but on last picture - heavy virus infection - suspected as infected last autumn and so planted in separate pot (now destroyed).
Janis
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Few more crocuses -
Several forms of Crocus laevigatus -so variable species and some really very nice. First two are from Crete (via Jim Archibald)
Following are collected by me on Peloponnese
Crocus ochroleucus white form from Boumana - again via Jim Archibald, originally collected by Bob And Rannweig Wallis
Then Crocus pallasii dispathaceus from Icel - from Jim Archibald. Seem to be true. Something resembles some orchid flower. Nice? Don't know, bur very special certainly.
And as last ones are representatives from several populations of Crocus pallasii collected this spring on Samos and Chios Islands of Greece just near Turkish border.
Janis
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Here various flowers of Crocus nerimaniae showing symptoms of virus infection (not only my collection, but some I got from other growers - pity, all were infected :'()
Janis
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Few days ago I wrote that Crocus oreocreticus samples in my collection are very uniform, but today started blooming sample which I got from Jim with more rounded flower segments and slightly buff toned.
Crocus veneris has one of smallest flowers between my collection, usually overtopped by leaves, hiding them, but this autumn leaves don't miss to see flowers.
And as last in this entry - some samples of Crocus pulchellus collected this spring on Chios Island (Greece) showing that this Crocus is very uniform by color. I c0ollected it on various locations and labeled as Crocus sp., annulate tunics, hoping to some biflorus/chrysanthus.
Janis
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Various Crocus cancellatus subspecies and forms and their variability.
Janis
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One of last blooming forms of Crocus banaticus - Snowdrift - one of most beautiful forms of this species
Several forms of Crocus cartwrightianus, the last 'Halloween' - baught this autumn
Crocus ligusticus (known as Crocus medius, too) from Italy - very large form
Crocus melantherus form with stipled back of flower segments
Crocus pallasii forms from near Bozkir in Turkey
And as last today - Crocus oreocreticus from Jim, in background another form of this species
Janis
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Janis, thank you for this tour de force today. So many stunning crocus. When I present my Crocus Lecture I always tell the audience that there are many, many more crocuses that I could not include .... little do they know just how many! I also suggest they come to this forum for a taste of the best.
Hope all these flowers help you to feel better too.
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Janis,
i had the last year a Crocus speciosus by such a strange flower form.
This year he has blossomed again quite normally. Is this really a virus?
We had nice, sunny and moderately warm day, may be last such this autumn, when I with my wife could sit in evening outside with glass of wine. All the day passed checking and picturing autumn crocuses. In this entry view of Crocus collection bed - on left side spring blooming section (another bed of spring bloomers remained out of picture).
Further various forms of Crocus mathewii, but on last picture - heavy virus infection - suspected as infected last autumn and so planted in separate pot (now destroyed).
Janis
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and some 'normal' Crocus from last weekend,
Cr.laevigatus Goldback form from Crete
niveus with darker blue outside
cancellatus ssp.pamphylicus
veneris
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Nice to see so many beautiful crocus
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Crocus banaticus
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I've just been admiring dark banaticus like those in my garden, Arnold......it tickles me to see we are enjoying the same plants thousands of miles apart!
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Janis, thank you for this tour de force today. So many stunning crocus. When I present my Crocus Lecture I always tell the audience that there are many, many more crocuses that I could not include .... little do they know just how many! I also suggest they come to this forum for a taste of the best.
Hope all these flowers help you to feel better too.
Many thanks, Tony. I'm afraid that this was last presentation as weather dramatically changed and today was very cold, cloudy and all crocus flowers were closed. Today replanted my American alliums and one third of Juno irises. Hope to finish replanting this week, although I still wait some parcels with bulbs (between them Crocuses, too) from my friends.
Janis
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Janis,
i had the last year a Crocus speciosus by such a strange flower form.
This year he has blossomed again quite normally. Is this really a virus?
We had nice, sunny and moderately warm day, may be last such this autumn, when I with my wife could sit in evening outside with glass of wine. All the day passed checking and picturing autumn crocuses. In this entry view of Crocus collection bed - on left side spring blooming section (another bed of spring bloomers remained out of picture).
Further various forms of Crocus mathewii, but on last picture - heavy virus infection - suspected as infected last autumn and so planted in separate pot (now destroyed).
Janis
Mark it and check next spring leaves, if they will look healthy, look what will show flower next autumn before final decision. This C. mathewii was marked as strange last autumn, but when it turned so abnormal this autumn, I decided that safer would be to destroy it.
This autumn I destroyed or replaced in isolated part several pots with crocuses suspecting them for virus, betweewn them - 5 pots with goulimyi Mani White, several C. boryi stocks and I'm keeping them only with hope to get some seeds. Really now I try to get seeds from all stocks which are not collected by me but received from other growers. Unfortunately experience showed that viruses are quite widely distributed, especially in large professional nurseries with mass production, but as well in much smaller amateur collections, too. Not allways easy to note symptoms and not easy to make correct decision. But my friend and teacher in bulb growing told me better to destroy 10 healthy plants than left one virus infected. I think he is right.
Janis
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Janis, many thanks!
I replanted this Crocus last autumn in greater distance to my collection, i will check the leave next spring.
Janis,
i had the last year a Crocus speciosus by such a strange flower form.
This year he has blossomed again quite normally. Is this really a virus?
We had nice, sunny and moderately warm day, may be last such this autumn, when I with my wife could sit in evening outside with glass of wine. All the day passed checking and picturing autumn crocuses. In this entry view of Crocus collection bed - on left side spring blooming section (another bed of spring bloomers remained out of picture).
Further various forms of Crocus mathewii, but on last picture - heavy virus infection - suspected as infected last autumn and so planted in separate pot (now destroyed).
Janis
Mark it and check next spring leaves, if they will look healthy, look what will show flower next autumn before final decision. This C. mathewii was marked as strange last autumn, but when it turned so abnormal this autumn, I decided that safer would be to destroy it.
This autumn I destroyed or replaced in isolated part several pots with crocuses suspecting them for virus, betweewn them - 5 pots with goulimyi Mani White, several C. boryi stocks and I'm keeping them only with hope to get some seeds. Really now I try to get seeds from all stocks which are not collected by me but received from other growers. Unfortunately experience showed that viruses are quite widely distributed, especially in large professional nurseries with mass production, but as well in much smaller amateur collections, too. Not allways easy to note symptoms and not easy to make correct decision. But my friend and teacher in bulb growing told me better to destroy 10 healthy plants than left one virus infected. I think he is right.
Janis
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Janis, your galleries were much more than only one lession in crocus for a galanthophile.
But here is a pic especially for you.
You understand, that I can only show a white flower ;):
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Janis, your galleries were much more than only one lession in crocus for a galanthophile.
But here is a pic especially for you.
You understand, that I can only show a white flower ;):
Not easy to identify without knowing corm tunics, leaf development. At present it resembles for me white form of Crocus asumaniae or C. pallasii. I suppose - it goes to winter with leaves? What is origin?
Janis
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Today outside was horrible weather - full sun suddenly changed to heavy rain w3ith hail and back - an so all the day. I planned to work outside (still need haf day) but it was impossible. But from other side I finished replanting of Juno irises and maid few Crocus pictures attached here
At first - nice very large blooming form of Crocus cancellatus mazziaricus
Two forms of Crocus cartwrightianus selected by Antoine Hoog but named by me by his two children - Marcel and Michel
Another selection made by Antoine - Crocus hadriaticus Anabelle
Then 2 pictures of Crocus longiflorus from Sicily and as last
Crocus speciosus subsp. xantholaimos
Janis
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Crocus biflorus melantherus
Crocus cancellatus Lycius
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Crocus longiflorus. Grown from seed kindly sent to me by TonyG, sown 29 August 2007.
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David,
nice result! Congratulations. Your patience seems to pay off. :D
I hope more flowers will emerge this season from the potful and you can pollinate them.
It is always interesting to see how different the flower shapes can be compared to Janis and my own samples posted earlier (reply no. 25/page 2.)
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Thank you Armin. Many more seed sown species should flower next year ;D
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Sunday's heat brought on Crocus kotschyanus. Likely one from Janis.
johnw
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On a number of occasions Janis has mentioned the Crocus nerimaniae from Labranda being virused and I have not had that experience but one has flowered today from the site at Geyik Baraji which has seemed okay before but is badly effected. Now in the bin.
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Tony,
a pity thing. :'(
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Crocus robertianus
In the past I have found this species very difficult & have lost it several times. Recently I’ve had more success by keeping the plants in an open plunge during the summer so that they do not become too hot & dry.
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Crocus longiflorus
A form received some years ago from Norman Stevens
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Crocus tournefortii
A very pale lilac form
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Tony, on a happier note here is Crocus wattiorum from you last year. Two of the corms have flowers with particularly marked exterior stripes which are particularly attractive. Sorry about the lighting, I had to do this after work when it was dark!
Alex
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Alex
that is pleasing,no doubt you are busy pollinating!
Hopefully the C. nerimaniae seedlings will be moving along as well.
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Yes, I got almost full germination from those - lots of little corms when i repotted a couple of months ago, but flowering a year or two off of course....
Alex
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Hello,
a few pictures of Crocusses here in Austria.
The season is not so good, many species still under ground or without flowers this season!
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Last night with the first frost, follow a sunny friday and some new flowers:
Cr.hadriaticus ssp.hadriaticus with a dark yellow throat, a first step to a yellow hadriaticus? :P
nerimaniae in two several forms
robertianus
wattiorum
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and more:
Cr.laevigatus in two forms
mathewii in several colours, the second flowerwave after a period with to higher temperatures :D
sativus
serotinus ssp.salzmannii 'Erectophyllus' vs. goulimyi 'Mani White'
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This year performance of Crocus here is not that good but there is an exception with this Crocus goulimyi .......
"Six little dickie birds, sitting in a row..." ;D
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Crocus speciosus 'Artabir' is flowering now in the garden.
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I think that yellow-throated hadriaticus is a real gem. I have several variations of hadriaticus (nothing like the yellow though :))and find it one of the best and most vigorous of all crocuses, a really good plant.
Yesterday I was delighted to find two seed pods on C. laevigatus, the gold-backed form, though gold is opptimistic, a soft yellow is nearer.
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About a week ago, Crocuc cancellatus subsp. cancellatus was flowering here in the garden.
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A couple of variants of the form of Crocus biflorus ssp melantherus with stippled petals.
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Some pictrures of some sunny hours today
Crocus cartwrightianus Halloween
Crocus laevigatus form from Peloponnese
Still more pictures of virused nerimaniae (I have healthy plants, too :D)
Few pictures of Crocus pallasii from Chios and Samos
and as last - Crocus wattiorum in full flowers today
Janis
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Lots of nice crocuses everyone. Janis, the Crocus laevigatus Peloponnese looks very similar to the heavily veined Crocus boryi that Art showed recently. Do you think these could be hybrids boryi x laevigatus?
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Crocus cartwrightianus Halloween is very beautiful, Janis. The colours are wonderful.
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Crocus ligusticus
The usual trade form though this one is apparently free of virus.
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Lots of nice crocuses everyone. Janis, the Crocus laevigatus Peloponnese looks very similar to the heavily veined Crocus boryi that Art showed recently. Do you think these could be hybrids boryi x laevigatus?
May be you are right. On the place where it was collected both C. bopryi and C. laevigatus grow side by side - laeveigatus generally on roadside and boryi between shrubs. In same spot I collected deep pink (not so good as Melvyn's) and bicolored goulimyi forms.
Janis
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Lots of nice crocuses everyone. Janis, the Crocus laevigatus Peloponnese looks very similar to the heavily veined Crocus boryi that Art showed recently. Do you think these could be hybrids boryi x laevigatus?
In addition I will repeat small part from my Crocus book:
"Sometimes their distinction is quite problematic and in my opinion the most successfully this problem was treated by Peter and Penny Watt in the Crocus Group Bulletin quoted earlier: “For us, though, an essential adjunct to growing crocus from Series Laevigati is a two--sided label… -- one side of the label claims C. boryi the other C. laevigatus. We reverse the label whenever we change our minds. This system came into being in order to cope with C. tournefortii on Rhodes. … On rare occasion we look at the most confusing of crocus in Series Laevigati and wonder whether we should not upgrade our system; but then where can we obtain a three--sided label?” Although I don’t think that the typical plants would be so difficult to separate, problems could arise with the marginal variations in mixed populations in which the exact identification without seeing a corm would not be easy especially when a pure white C. laevigatus grows together with C. boryi. Then helps the shape of the flowers---in full sun flowers of C. laevigatus open like flat stars, while C. boryi retains its goblet shape."
Janis
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My very first Crocus for this season:
C. cancellatus damascenus from S. Jordan.
Many more to come...
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Oron,
you have your first Crocus, here is one of my last Crocus for this autumn:
Crocus hyemalis, the first flower with many petals from a large corm
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A first flower of C. goulimyi in the garden today.
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I've had very few crocuses flowering in pots this year but my Crocus 'lawn' keeps spreading. Only Crocus pulchellus but lots of it. All came from a few seeds or small corms thrown out with usede potting compost. The first flowers appeared about September 8th and they keep coming. The first picture was taken on September 27th and the second on October 14th. I am happy with the crocuses in the grass but not so happy in the borders where the leaves can smother small plants or spoil flowering effects. There is a little variation with some flowers being pale and others stronger in colour.
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Here some pics from a cambessedesii - tour at saturday I made with some friends. Crocus cambessedesii grows especially well where goats cannot harm it too much - inside of small spiny shrubs or in narrow crevices. Here a few impressions of common (pic3) and more uncommon forms.
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Hans
Spectacular Crocus - cambessedesii is one of my favourites, even though I only have the 'common' form.
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Hans,
Lovely pics from the natural habitat!
In my garden the crocus like the evening sun:
Crocus speciosus naturalising
Crocus speciosus
Crocus goulimyi
Crocus ochroleucus and a single Galanthus Reginae Olgae
Poul
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Crocus laevigatus, grown from seed sown 18 September 2008 from The Crocus Group 2008 distribution under the reference CEM612 Evia, Greece.
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Crocus laevigatus, grown from seed sown 18 September 2008 from The Crocus Group 2008 distribution under the reference CEM612 Evia, Greece.
David - I wonder whether that reference should be CEH 612 (Christian, Elliot & Hoog)?
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David, it is CEH (Christian, Elliot & Hoog) as Gerry suggests. This is from one of Paul Christian's previous bulb lists:
Crocus laevigatus CEH.612
This is a much-talked about strain which is now increasingly seen on show benches, with superb pale to deep lilac flowers, some of which are feathered and striped on the exterior.
All have delightfully divided and feathered orange styles, white anthers and a superb honey scent. Flowering is from November to February and this is influenced both by climate and planting time.
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Crocus laevigatus CEH.612
crolaelae612 £6.00
Flowering sized cultivated corms from our 1982 collection.
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Thanks Gerry and Martin, you are right, my handwriting let me down again ;D It's a very nice form.
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We had two nice sunny days, so some pictures were possible regardless of quite frosty night (minus 3). In this entry variability of Crocus laevigatus.
First two were collected by Arnis Seisums - Ikaria Island, S of Pezi
Goldback - came to me from Markus Harvey (Australia)
Following two are from Metohi, Crete (got from Jim Archibald)
PELO-013 - collected by me on Pelloponesse
Following two may be must to be regarded as boryi, although I collected them as laevigatus PELO-021. Just those may be need two-sided label ;D
Last two are from Vouvala in Crete (got from Jim Archibald)
Janis
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In this serie of pictures are Crocus pallasii.
The first pictures comes from Chios and Samos Islands. Note the plant with black anthers from Chios (the black is something hided by yellow pollens)
Last pair of pictures are from plant collected at Labranda. I read that there are very nice forms of pallasii growing together with nerimaniae. During 3 visits at this place I found only 3 plants of Crocus pallasii - there was total destroying of population by wild boars (seen during last visit at this locality, when I searched for Crocus biflorus subsp. caricus). The plant collected during my first visit there turned really very nice, as you can judge from attached pictures (the second pictured a little too late).
Janis
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The last entry for today:
The first two pictures show you that I have healthy C. nerimaniae, too :)
Next is Crocus aleppicus from Dalton in Upper Galilee
Crocus melantherus comes from Pelloponesse. On last picture form with very special shape of flower.
Crocus mathewii with me this season didn't flower so abbundantly as in previous seasons. This one is one of latest clones.
Then - Crocus robertianus
and as last - again Crocus cartwrightianus Halloween from Antoine Hoog
Janis
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Forgot to include one more pictures of Crocus robertianus - here something old flower of f. tricolor - confirming theory that C. robertianus is autumn blooming variant of C. atticus, where such color forms (although more expressed) is quite common.
Janis
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Some Crocus in my garden.
Crocus-boryi
Crocus-goulimyi
Crocus-goulimyi
Crocus-hadriaticus
Crocus-laevigatus
Crocus-pulchellus
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Thanks Gerry and Martin, you are right, my handwriting let me down again ;D It's a very nice form.
The collection details for C. laevigatus CEH612 are:
S.Evvia nr. Polipotamos, 350-400m; micaceous clay over mica schist under Quercus coccifera. It was growing with the famous C. cartwrightianus, CEH613.
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Some superb Crocus pictures!
(still missisng so many of those beautiful species in my garden)
Spectacular Crocus - cambessedesii is one of my favourites, even though I only have the 'common' form.
Thanks Arthur, is it not always the same? - if you see many specimen of a species you always pay more attention to those which are a bit different, if they are more beautiful is quite an other thing... ;)
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Thanks Gerry and Martin, you are right, my handwriting let me down again ;D It's a very nice form.
The collection details for C. laevigatus CEH612 are:
S.Evvia nr. Polipotamos, 350-400m; micaceous clay over mica schist under Quercus coccifera. It was growing with the famous C. cartwrightianus, CEH613.
Many thanks for that Gerry.
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Hi all, thank you for sharing the wonderful pictures. These are my first flowering crocus pics this season. This crocus came from an UK nursery as C. mathewii. I think this may be a variation of this variable species but description on the nursery's bulb list was 'a violet-purple ring around the base of flower'...
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Hello YT,
your Crocus looks like a form or hybrid from Cr.hadriaticus or Cr.cartwrightianus.
Here a little similar pic, a seedling from Cr.cartwrightianus 'Albus' hort.
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Crocus medius (ligusticus), this kindly sent to me by Gerry. Success indeed, at last, after a few years searching, a virus free medius ;D
Sorry the third pic is a little "fuzzy"
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Tomorrow I'm going for short holydays so last pictures from my greenhouse.
At first two pictures of Crocus aleppicus from Dalton in Israel (thanks, Oron)
Then two pictures of Crocus cambessedesii from Maliorca
and then Crocus hyemalis - from Rik
Janis
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Crocus biflorus melantherus x 4
Crocus tournfortii
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Few more pictures
Crocus laevigatus Goldback (by flower form more looks like C. boryi)
Traditional form of Crocus ochroleucus from Wallis
and albino Dalton White from Oron
and as last some Crocus pallasii samples from Chios Island Greece
Janis
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Crocus biflorus melantherus
Nice, Michael.
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Few more pictures
Crocus laevigatus Goldback (by flower form more looks like C. boryi)
Traditional form of Crocus ochroleucus from Wallis
and albino Dalton White from Oron
and as last some Crocus pallasii samples from Chios Island Greece
Janis
Beautiful, especially the pallasii from Chios.
I flowered seedlings raised from C laevigatus Gold Back this autumn, they did not come true and look like C laevigatus. Maybe their specialness will come out in the next generation .... another 4 year wait!
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Hello YT,
your Crocus looks like a form or hybrid from Cr.hadriaticus or Cr.cartwrightianus.
Here a little similar pic, a seedling from Cr.cartwrightianus 'Albus' hort.
Hello Dirk,
Thank you very much for your identification. I'll ask the nursery about this mysterious crocus soon.
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A plant that Dr. E. Pasche sent to me some time ago.
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Crocus medius (ligusticus), this kindly sent to me by Gerry. Success indeed, at last, after a few years searching, a virus free medius ;D
David - C. ligusticus obviously likes you (or Devon). It looks better than it does with me!
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Gerry, until I got it out to try to get it to open a bit it had been in the middle section of a three part staging on the north(ish) end of the greenhouse. Maybe it appreciates a bit of shade, it'll get plenty of that in Devon!
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Awfully late here...tournefortii.
johnw - +17c
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On holiday now - guess where!
Catching up on a few things so here are some crocus for you!
Crocus goulimyi leucanthus - does not usually breed true for me but VERY FEW flowers on blue goulimyi this autumn so perhaps there will be less cross pollination.
Crocus speciosus - from a roadside planting near where I work. I like the background.
Crocus oreocreticus
Crocus biflorus melantherus
Crocus thomasii seedlings - another confusing potful. One looks true, one looks like cartwrightianus/oreocreticus, one has a notably yellow throat .... guess some are hybrids with closely related species.
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Crocus wattiorum ex-Janis today.
Alex
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Beautiful Alex - any pollinators about?
Showed some Crocus laevigatus in the garden on my Blog. Here are some in the frames.
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Tony lovely laevigatus,my only one out today
Crocus wattiorum
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Wow - those Crocus wattiorum are real gems!
Yesterday on a mountainwalk with a friend we saw again a few nice Crocus cambessedesii.
First picture shows it together with Erodium reichardii, picture 2+3 different forms, and pic 4 the reason not only to check the ground... ;)
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Crocus Laevigatus
Crocus Laevigatus fontenayi x 2
Crocus speciosus albus
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Here is my observation on C. nerimaniae :( ,
It is same like Janis and Tony W. Even more bad because my sample was not from Geyik Dam Or Labranda It was quite long distance from that known area but the result was same. I can't understand how this virus can spread so long!. If it doesn't spread by the seeds. If this theory is correct, I have another samples from another location. when I find it was a baby plant and It was not in flowering size if so that has to be a healty one. It will flower also in a few days.
This virused sample I have covered by cut plastic jerry cam If they do not set seeds than will go to destroy.
İbrahim Sözen
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My crocuses also started to flower this week :)
Here are a few from pulchellus stock. Last three forms looks like white anthered speciosus but here in N.W. TR. the pulchellus is something like this.
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And here is my C. speciosus subsp. speciosus from Lake Abant.
The senond one, I believe it is subsp. ilgazensis. But I am not very sure because it is not from known location Ilgaz Mt. It is from the mountains of N.E. TR. Do anybody has any informations about any records from that area for this ilgazensis!
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Crocus longiflorus
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Ibrahim, S.speciosus ilgazensis - very interesting! He was always so keeps the petals?
Michael, beautiful photo of beautiful flowers! :)
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Beautiful plants Ibrahim and Michael!
Crocus mathewii is the first crocus in flower in the garden, a bit later than in the Segovia area! ;)
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Lovely, Hans - are those the corms I sent you last year or some others?
The Iris pamphylica you sent me seem to have done well in their first year and made bigger bulbs, one even looks FS...
Alex
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Crocus mathewii is the first crocus in flower in the garden, a bit later than in the Segovia area! ;)
Very nice mathewii Hans. Here also one flower today. Previous year mathewii flowers much better .
First picture is from 2010. Second picture shows mathewii in december 2010....
Third one is from today .
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Also flowering here today : Crocus melantherus
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Ibrahim, S.speciosus ilgazensis - very interesting! He was always so keeps the petals?
Michael, beautiful photo of beautiful flowers! :)
Nathalia, I am not sure for this feature. I have not enough experience on this crocus because this is my first flower from a single corm and I don't have any observation from wild. But at the moment it looks like you perceived.
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I am lucky to see a healty nerimaniae :D
This was a small baby plant I optain it after spend couple hours, and never find the second one. So I was nearly sure It should be healty.
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Here is my C. mathewii form.
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Very nice mathewiiform, Ibrahim, this is C. boryi.
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And some more photos in my garden of C. goulimyi.
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Ibrahim
that is a lovely shaped C. mathewii did you find it on Yumrutepe?
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Ibrahim, thank you very much! very interesting, as this crocus will bloom next year. :)
C. mathewii-just a great shape!
alpinelover thank you for the wonderful pictures! :)
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I just returned from one week long holydays in Peloponnese in Greece. Not so many crocuses were seen, it was something too early for some species, but I saw some others, not seen three years ago. But now I will show some pictures from my collection made today.
At first Crocus aleppicus (3 pictures)
then another trio of Crocus hyemalis
and as last - best form of Crocus mathewii - 'Brian Mathew' - note deep purple tube and large very dark throat.
Janis
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Few more from my greenhouse today
Crocus melantherus - very nice form from Stemnitsa in Greece
Then several forms of Crocus pallasii - the first from Israel, following three from Chios Island in Greece
On Chios I collected some Crocus with annulate corm tunics at many localities - greatest part of them now blooms as Crocus pulchellus - very uniform, only this one is of paler color than others
Blooms Crocus serotinus type subspecies got from Rik who collected it in Spain (2 pictures)
Crocus tournefortii form from Karpathos got from Jim Archibald
and as last today - autumn blooming form of Crocus vitellinus from Syria - pollinated today with Crocus caspius (in both dirrections)
Janis
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Michael your C. longiflorus is really lovely. It's such a good doer too. I just picked 22 pods from mine this morning. For the first time I'll have something to send to the Crocus Group.
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Here are a few forms from my cancellatus collection.
first one lycicus, damascenus from two different locations and mazziaricus also fron two different locations.
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Ibrahim
lovely pictures.
I went up Yumrutepe today to look at the Crocus mathewii. One side of the road has been cleared and fenced and ploughed,the crocus are gone!
The other side is still okay but not many plants
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Stunning images! :o 8) 8) 8)
Frankie,
nice C. boryi and C. goulimyi. They seem to feel fine growing outside in your garden.
Janis,
I find it exiting to cross-pollinate so distant/different species like C. caspius (2n=8) with C. vitellinus (2n=24) and vice versa.
Hope you will prove it works and you finally breed a 'glowing orange' autuum blossoming gem ;D Good luck!
Ibrahim,
your contrasting C. cancellatus ssp. mazziaricus from Yenice is a stunner! Do you have an image of the inner flower too?
Tony,
a pity another place of wild growing C. mathewii seems to be lost :'(
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Tony, that is something very sad to know that my mathewii lost its country :'(
It was just this spring I passed from there!. If so my mathewii should be very lucky because of seen by my eyes :) I hope there is not so big damage.
Armin, unfortunately I did not make picture from top view and my crocuses are all gowing in open garden, so each day many of them destroy and next day come up the new ones by the morning sunlight.
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Ibrahim,
I see. It is a nice dark form - I like it much and have downloaded the image for my private photo gallery. :)
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Janis,
I find it exiting to cross-pollinate so distant/different species like C. caspius (2n=8) with C. vitellinus (2n=24) and vice versa.
Hope you will prove it works and you finally breed a 'glowing orange' autumn blossoming gem ;D Good luck!
Yes, it sounds strange, but quite long ago (2 years?) on Crocus forum were picture of very strange crocus reported as grown up from Crocus caspius seeds reported as collected in Iran. Looked as very special, new species. Later turned that seeds were received from ScRGCl seed exchange and cytological research showed that this plant is hybrid between vitellinus and caspius and really seeds were mixed together - garden and wild origin.
I was very happy receiving last autumn this late autumn blooming form from Jim Archibald and information from Oron that this form comes from Syria. So this autumn I very waited - when my vitellinus will start blooming and hoped that some flowers of caspius still will be ready for pollination. So I used for this cross last flowers of caspius (both - white and lilac forms) and first flower from vitellinus. Still 2 flowers are coming - so they will be pollinated, too. If weather will be unfavourable - I will bring pots in room for pollination and then back. Difference in chromosome number, far position on genetic tree not allow great hopes, but may be...
Janis
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Janis, thanks for the background details - keep my fingers crossed. :)