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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: Hagen Engelmann on October 01, 2011, 10:25:14 PM
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Season goes on. Here is a little flower, looking like an autumn TRYM.
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very good looking!
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How casually you drop such big bombshells Hagen! :o :o :o
Surely there must be more to tell..... ::)
johnw
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Oh Hagen, how nice to see a Trym type in the autumn. What a wonderful development.
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Very nice Hagen.
I've just had a look in the garden and I can see a nose on 'Barnes' so looks like my snowdrop season isn't too far away. ;D
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Hello friends, this nice galanthus was a good opener for the October topic.
And it looks only like a Trym.
But it`s an absolutely problem plant :-[
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Good plant, Hagen.
Paddy
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Hello friends, this nice galanthus was a good opener for the October topic.
And it looks only like a Trym.
But it`s an absolutely problem plant :-[
Sadly the nicest ones are often a problem to cultivate :-\
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a couple more Galanthus peshmenii
the first a very robust plant from Greece kastelorhiza a present from Ian Mc.
second a quite nice tubby flower
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a couple more Galanthus peshmenii
the first a very robust plant from Greece kastelorhiza a present from Ian Mc.
second a quite nice tubby flower
That second flower is a beauty Tony,is the markings stable?
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As JohnW would say.... Lovely tiny blotches in that second photo Tony ;)
I am with Davey on thinking that is a nice looking flower.
If only these really early ones could be grown without a greenhouse/frame and might stay alive in my garden. Anything here has to cope with the elements.
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David
yes the markings seem stable as I have several off sets and they are all the same. I like the shape of the flower.
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Tony, here is a big and globular flower. But the apical mark is normal.
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David
yes the markings seem stable as I have several off sets and they are all the same. I like the shape of the flower.
If you ever have a spare off that one Tony could you think of me please.By the way i can't believe nobody has commented on how many drops you have in flower there could we please have an overall shot of the lot please it would be nice to see size difference in them all.
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Autumn season is full of secrets and surprises!!!
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Tony, here is a big and globular flower. But the apical mark is normal.
Hagen a very nice large flower,but as to the mark what is normal,there are so many variations?
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Has anyone tried intergeneric crosses with Galanthus and other Amaryllidaceae genera? I know Galanthus x Leucojum has been tried but what of other Genera.
It has worked on occassion in Ericaceae so why not within Amaryllidaceae. Finding the right genus may be a problem. It must have been luck or extraordinary intuition that lead to x Phyllothamnus, x Phylliopsis and x Kalmiothamnus. I suspect ignorance lead to the first Azaleodendrons though that cross is cheating a bit.
johnw
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Here's Autumn Beauty, my first in-the-soil snowdrops in flower today. The inner marking variation seen last year is continuing. The "clump" has increased from two flowers to eleven in two years, so reasonably vigorous.
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That's doing well Steve. I didn't buy it from Wisley at the time as I thought it was not distinct enough in looks - but it certainly makes up for it by appearing in October! 8)
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Here's Autumn Beauty, my first in-the-soil snowdrops in flower today. The inner marking variation seen last year is continuing. The "clump" has increased from two flowers to eleven in two years, so reasonably vigorous.
Looks to me like there's more than one clone there, Steve. One with a V-mark and longer narrower outer segments, and another with a large blotch and shorter, wider, chunkier outers. Rather than a single clone with variable marks. Could be that someone has selected out more than one clone, perhaps even a whole group of seedlings that flower around the same time and propagated them together as a sort of grex under the name Autumn Beauty. It's something that seems to be happening more frequently these days. Unfortunately there doesn't always seem to be very rigorous selection for similarity of appearance, leading to variability in what you may get when you buy (I'm thinking also of a certain Dutch? green-tip elwesii whose name I've temporarily forgotten that came in for some criticism last year on this score). I guess it's a way of getting a lot of saleable stock faster under a particular 'trade name' by choosing a number of similar-looking (or similar flowering period) seedlings (but not necessarily identical) and increasing them rather than selecting out individual clones to propagate. I guess that's okay if you're vigorous in the selections, but more debatable if you're not.
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Nice to see them Steve, I hope my 'Autumn Beauty' (a present last year) turns out to be like the chunky one, it is in bud at the moment so fingers crossed :)
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I have a similar plant to the one shown by Tony Willis.
Not the best photo I have taken, but it shows the mark clearly.
I also have a peshmenii that has a green spot on each of the outer petals. The photo had to be manipulated to show the spot, but it is there if you concentrate.
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Martin
I'll give the members of this clump a more concentrated study in a few days when all the flowers are open and the wind isn't so strong!
Steve
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A number of varieties through this week; Barnes, Remember Remember, Three Ships, Monostictus Hiemalis, Hollis, Tilebarn Jamie and Peter Gatehouse.
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Fabulous snowdrop Hagen. can you offer any tips regarding compost when growing these autumn flowering snowdrops in pots?
Mike
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From today 3 different elwesii's flowering now :o All original from Turkey imported over 20 years ago! I did recognise a elwesii/cilicus hybrid with the carved outers but definitly a elwesii.I will take a picture from this one the coming days.
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Gerard, cilicicus is clearly only applanat and has no basical mark. Why do you think about a hybrid??
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Mike, there is realy no treasure:
30% compost, not too humous
30% grit
15% shreddered leaves of beech
10% perlite/vermiculite
10% silt/loam/clay
2,5% eggshell/lime
2,5% best wishes
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Hagen i try to make a pic tomorrow! Then i can show you the elwesii/cilicicus hybrid flowering right now!
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Today: G. elwesii 'Remember, Remember' which shows creamy coloured stripes on the outer segments.
It was found by John Morley in his North Green garden in 1992. Named after the first line of a (well-known) folk rhyme, 'Remember, remember, the fifth of November, ... '
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It has a very noble form, Freddy. Fine
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Hagen
what you mean with "Silt" ?
Thank you
Hans
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Season goes on. Here is a little flower, looking like an autumn TRYM.
Ein Traum!
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I mean loam, Hans J :)
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Thank you Hagen - now is all clear !
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Hagen as promised a pic despite the very bad weather, and another elwesii ssp monostictus with almost perfect outer petals.
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Thank you for sharing your compost recipe Hagen I appreciate it very much.
Mike
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2,5% best wishes
I knew I was missing something crucial in the mix! Apparently I left it out of the 2009 mix for Diggory, 22 now 2 maybe, and Heffalump, 17 now 1 sickly. >:(
johnw
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Much better pics from today!
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2,5% best wishes
I knew I was missing something crucial in the mix! Apparently I left it out of the 2009 mix for Diggory, 22 now 2 maybe, and Heffalump, 17 now 1 sickly. >:(
johnw
Surely our best wishes - and hopes - go into every potting mix? On a wing and a prayer as the airmen used to say. :D
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A couple with me. The first in the garden G RO Tilebarn Jamie and for those that like those things in a pot G peshmenii with green tips
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Some flowers of G. hiemalis, today in the garden.
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Hello
Are these the types of snowdrop that usually flower in october and november? What species do grow at this time of year naturally? I am writing a short piece for a website www.landscapejuice.com about this and could I use some of the photographs of snowdrops that members have posted please?
Carol
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Hello Carol, welcome to the SRGC Forum.
Yes, there are a fair number of Galanthus that flower in the autumn.
I would imagine that most Forumists would be happy for you to use their photographs for non-commercial purposes, provided that proper credit is given both to the photographer and to the SRGC.
Use of photographs for commercial purposes should be agreed with the photographers.
A search through the Forum will show you a great deal about snowdrops in general and about the autumn flowering types too..... the galanthophiles are some of the most enthusiastic of the SRGC Forumists!
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Thank you very much for all your help, what an interesting world
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Galanthus corcyrensis
this is an old collection made by the late Ole Sonderhousen in Sicily
probably now a G. reginae-olgae
I just keep it under this old name
to separate this clone
from the ones I collected in Sicily
Roland
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It's doing really well Roland, and all the better for it's history.
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Ahaaaaaa, so, the snowdrops still grow in Sicily!!!!!!! :D
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Shhh! Omerta!
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Shhh! Omerta!
а че молчать-то???? секрет??? ::)
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My Russian isn't good enough :(
but the place is secret
I found two unknown new places
where I collected a few bulbs and seeds
I gave Melvin a few bulbs
to be sure they don't get lost
They are the ones without the blue label
Roland
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Molto Bella Roland ;D
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Are these the types of snowdrop that usually flower in october and november? What species do grow at this time of year naturally?
There are autumn-flowering snowdrops. The most common species in cultivation is Galanthus reginae-olgae, which is native to Greece (although not exclusively). Technically, there are also some spring-flowering forms of this species so the autumn-flowering forms are classed as Galanthus reginae-olgae ssp. reginae-olgae. In my Cambridgeshire garden they come into flowers around the beginning of October and the flowers last for around four weeks. I bought mine over 10 years ago from Avon Bulbs and the pattern of growth has been that they have flourished for a while in the right spot but then gone into decline or suddenly disappeared from one year to the next. But by lifting and dividing I have managed to keep up so I have a lot more than I started with and they still grow well in a few locations. One problem with all autumn-flowering snowdrops is that they are prone to attack by slugs and snails (which are still active). The best location seems to be under a deciduous shrub where it is too dry for anything to grow in summer (and unattractive for slugs and snails to venture) but where there is plenty of light in winter.
Other autumn-flowering species are Galanthus peshmenii and Galanthus cilicicus, both from Turkey. Neither are readily obtainable so not worth considering as garden plants.
The other garden-worthy autumn snowdrop is selected forms of Galanthus elwesii. This usually flowers in January and February, there are quite a few selected forms that flower in December, a smaller number that flower in November and just a handful of recent discoveries that flower in October. Over the years this species has been imported into the UK in large numbers so there are plenty around from which these selections have been made. As far as I know, autumn flowering forms of this species have not been recorded in their native habitat. Galanthus elwesii tends to be a vigorous snowdrop when grown in the UK, so the early-flowering selections generally make good garden plants.
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Alan the first elwesii's flowered here on September the 1st! I do have 4 different selections at the moment which flower from September till November! And i think i can find some new ones in November and perhaps December too because its from a wild population in Turkey
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Alan the first elwesii's flowered here on September the 1st!
Wow, that seems incredible! There does seem to be some variation from one location to another, however. As a point of reference, when do your first reginae-olgae flower?
... its from a wild population in Turkey
Do you have any idea when they flower in the wild?
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Alan the first ro's flowered 15th of September, Hyde Lodge,Tilebarn Jamie and the ssp ro.
These elwesii's origine were Turkey where they flower in the wild at the same time. These were from a import over 20 years ago! A colleage kept several apart for his garden and they still flower every year from September till February! I am selecting them out now because there are quite some different ones.
From the earliest i have a few spares, so if someone would like to swap!
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My Russian isn't good enough :(
but the place is secret
I found two unknown new places
where I collected a few bulbs and seeds
I gave Melvin a few bulbs
to be sure they don't get lost
They are the ones without the blue label
Roland
aaaaaa.. very interesting info and a photo, thank you, Roland!
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The first Galanthus have just surfaced, G. corcyrensis. They're seedlings sown in April 2009 and are already stout little fellows. Normal flowering date is the first week of November.
johnw
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From today;
The first one from the early flowering elwesii's already with seedpots!!! Flowered first week of September!
Faringdon Double with flower and the chips from Faringdon!
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Today a beautiful day: 17°C and sun !
Picture 1: G. reginae-olgae
Picture 2: G. elw. Hiemalis Group 'Barnes'
Picture 3: G. elw. 'Peter Gatehouse'
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Galanthus transcaucasicus - the early flowering type - this year very early
Gerd