Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
Bulbs => Bulbs Wanted => Topic started by: mark smyth on September 25, 2011, 04:33:08 PM
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Does anyone know a source for Iris Lady Beatrix Stanley? Preferably home grown.
I did find a source on the Netherlands but they wanted £10 to post the bulbs to the UK
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try here
http://www.choicelandscapes.org/
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Rob Potterton also lists it Mark, don't know if home grown or not though ?
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My Iris 'Sheila Ann Germaney' which I've had since 1993, didn't flower this year and now the leaves are well up I see they are horribly virused, a problem I've never had before with reticulate irises. I've already dug and destroyed them, tears running down my face. It's not replaceable in New Zealand. I have a few very thin and healthy leaves from previous rice bulblets so am keeping those well isolated but I would like to know where the virus came from.
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were the plants very dry when they came into growth Lesley?
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were the plants very dry when they came into growth Lesley?
I don't think they would have been Peter. They're outside in a raised bed and just for once we had a dampish summer/autumn and quite a lot of rain through winter as well. I only had a couple of flowers on 'Katharine Hodgkin' and none at all on winogradowii, though their foliage looks healthy and strong.
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It was just a thought, drought can simulate the mottling effects of virus on reticulata leaves when they start growth. I once discarded some pots before I knew about this.
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My Iris 'Sheila Ann Germaney' which I've had since 1993, didn't flower this year and now the leaves are well up I see they are horribly virused, a problem I've never had before with reticulate irises. I've already dug and destroyed them, tears running down my face. It's not replaceable in New Zealand. I have a few very thin and healthy leaves from previous rice bulblets so am keeping those well isolated but I would like to know where the virus came from.
:'( :'( :-\ That's terrible, Lesley. Even more so since you can't replace them. Here the most obvious vector for plant viruses are aphids, but certain nematodes which live in the ground can be vectors too.
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What I dont understand is why, when these plants are already in New Zealand, they are not kept circulating by the horticulturalists and gardeners. Then it would just require a request for bulbs at a local garden club or nursery in New Zealand.
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All the 'Sheila Ann Germaney' in NZ came from a single bulb I imported in 1993. I brought it home with me and that was the last time (1993) that we were allowed to bring in bulbs without all the present regulations. It took a couple of years before its seasons were properly turned around and from then on I've had a reasonablely nice little patch of it, and have distributed a few whenever possible, but probably not more than say 20 in total. Hopefully these are still around and increasing but I've never seen anyone with a bulb for sale or swap at any of our shows, salestables, weekends etc. Even KH is virtually never available, or winogradowii, except a few I've supplied myself, so where they're going I don't know. It is a sad fact that some NZ alpine growers tend to keep material to themselves rather than sharing it around. I think this is a dangerous and foolish practice for the very reason stated above. We can't replace from overseas now. Quantities of reticulatas come in from Holland each year to a couple of wholesalers but always the same old vars. Usually they are Harmony, JS Dijt, Pauline, Gordon, Cantab and that's about it except sometimes now, danfordiae and Natascha. Never SAG, KH Winogradowii or histrioides or its forms.
For some reason the wholesalers are allowed to import from Holland, in quantity and without the regulations that apply to other countries and to small importers yet it is from Holland that diseased stock arrives, while people like Marcus Harvey in Tasmania, and many small UK or other bulb growers supply clean and healthy stock. Yet again, I ask, Where's that post about common sense?
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it will turn up then Lesley, in the mean time keep pollinating and raise your own version ;)
This was on the PBS list this morning from a lady in Auckland:
"Was informed by MAF that evidently the seed I ordered was not allowed,
but was given several options.
First of all I decided it was no good getting all hot under the collar
about it. So I contacted EPA which is the department responsible for
deciding what is and what is not allowed.
And joy of joys, after several helpful emails, the woman found one of
them was already in New Zealand so will be added to the Biosecurity Index.
She found that in one of the gardening books, so went to some trouble to
find it for me.
I now have ordered 6 books of New Zealand bulbs from the library and
will then order more to see what there is in them as far as Habranthus
and Zephyranthes are concerned.
It made my day."
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Peter, could you let me know (privately) who this person was that posted on the PBS list? I'd like to contact her on the basis that the more people who go the extra mile, the better we'll ALL be with results. The organization who makes the decision about what is and what isn't allowe3d, is ERMA (Environmental Risk Management Authority), so I'm not sute who EPA is.
I suspect she found - or her helpful person found, that what she had ordered was already here under a synonym name, especially if it involved Habranthus/Zephranthes.
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I suspect EPA is a typo Lesley, and yes the plant was recorded in New Zeland already according to what she says, synonoms were not mentioned. I have forwarded your request to her and a link to this page ;)
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EPA is the new name for ERMA, no typing mistake....
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EPA is the new name for ERMA, no typing mistake....
So what does EPA stand for? What does it mean?
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Lesley as I understand the rules in Australia which are probably similar to yours in NZ - if something has been in NZ previously you can import it.
I will email separately a contact person who might be able to help.
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Enviromental Protection Authority = EPA http://www.epa.govt.nz/Pages/default.aspx
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Thanks Peter. Your info is obviously more up-to-date than mine.
Pat, it's not as simple as that. In NZ even if something is here, we must prove it was here prior to the Hazardous Substances and New Organisms Act came into being, in 1993. We have to provide, as examples, catalogues which listed the plant, or invoicing which proved it was bought from whatever source. No doubt there are other ways to prove, like photos with printed dates on the back (Kodak photo paper was dated if I remember rightly.)
Then if we say we have had this or that plant since Adam was a cowboy on the West Coast, or since the year dot, we have to prove the plant actually IS what we SAY it is. To do this we have to know or hire a taxonomist to study the plant and give a decision on its identity.
I kid you not. I recently, on request, wrote an article for the Frit Group of the AGS, and it was published in their most recent Bulletin. I wrote it back in March of this year and to be absolutrely sure my information was correct, I phoned ERMA (as it was then) and spent some 20 minutes speaking with their Chief Policy Officer who gave me dates, costs and requirements. I don't believe anything has changed since then, except, if Peter's PBS lady is correct, and why wouldn't she be? the astronomical costs have risen to stratospheric. In March minimum cost to have a plant assessed for entry was $1600 plus GST plus any assessment costs.
So yes, if we go through all that and if the plant is already here, we may import more, but only as seed unless we are prepared to pay even more thousands for a quarantine process of not less than 12 months. This too can be achieved but our MAF requires that any source of our imports must be inspected while the plants/bulbs are in growth 6 months prior to their export (and dormant at import) and inspected again prior to leaving their source and again on reaching NZ. This list goes on and the agony continues. As you can imagine, we don't even think about importing. That I have been able over a few years now to import from Marcus Harvey is due entirely to the fact that he, at his own expense, went through all the hoops required by our MAF. He must do this every year, if I want more domant bulbs, which is why I encourage any NZer who can, to import from him, and spread his costs a little. He has been incredibly good to me, and so very generous. The bulbs I get from Marcus don't require quarantine though they must be dormant but unfortunately, Iris and Tulipa and a few others must be quarantined. Why? Who knows. I don't.
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EPA is the new name for ERMA, no typing mistake....
So what does EPA stand for? What does it mean?
EPA= Environmental Protection Authority
http://www.epa.govt.nz/Pages/default.aspx
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Mark
These are available in Dobbies at either £2.99/3.99 for 8 bulbs. They are part of Taylors range and I would imagine they are now readily available at all large garden centres.
I got mine from Bridgemere Garden Centre in August and they have been planted now for 6 weeks.
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well that sorts the original question out, well done.
Welcome to the SRGC forum Klaasje, I hope you will stay around. There are several other people also from New Zealand as well.
I know that you enjoy Cyclamen, Habranthus and Irids :D - there are good threads on these plants....
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Klaasje, my apologies for not offering you a warm welcome! Good to have you posting. :)
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Thanks for the EPA link Maggi. I see they do a lot more than ERMA did. I guess the change of name and role is explained by the fact that recently our beloved govt merged a number of departments with a number of other departments, all in the cause of cost savings, but losing many jobs in the process of course.
I see one of the 6 criteria on which costs are decided says "prices should not discourage applicants." They obviously think that NZ is populated by 4 1/4 million clones of Bill Gates!
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Leslie I have in my very hot hand I Francis hodkins, I Francis Histriodes major, Histriodes aintabenses also Iris sintesii all x Mary. You are very welcome to what I have.
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Hello Betty, lovely to see you here again. Thank you so much, I'd LOVE the ones you mention as I lost my histrioides some years ago and am pretty sure there is some virus among others. I need to start again with many reticulata types, though some of the named forms like 'Cantab,' 'Purple Gem' and 'Natascha' all have seed pods this year, perhaps because they've been planted in small groups, close together in the (non) rock garden. If it's OK with you I'll come up again in about a month, before Christmas, just for the day. I'll phone first.
I was very sorry to have cancelled seeing you on Tuesday/Wednesday but after the Sunday thing I couldn't have been social and cheerful and even civilized I think. I got through the meeting OK because I had to concentrate on crocuses but I'm still a bit weepy and just want to garden at present.
I'll be in touch soon.
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Hi Lesley,
I have just imported Iris histriodes LBS and Major and I now have I. Frank Elder and Sheila Ann Germaney well in cultivation here.
It remains to be seen if I can "revive" Otto's Iris histrio to its former glory. It took a nasty dive to the bottom a few years ago but slowly recovering. I have posted a picture to remind you (and me) of how incredible it once was. I think Otto still has his happy.
I would have liked to have obtained a stock of "Angel's Eye" but couldn't get any joy there
Cheers, Marcus
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Lucky, lucky you Marcus. Unfortunately Iris has to be quarantined here if we import so it's not an easy matter as with crocuses, say. But I really hope they all do well for you and increase mightily.
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Going back to an earlier post, Choice Landscapes seem like a waste of time to me - I emailed on 2 or 3 occasions, practically pleading for a reply the last time, and still no-one could be bothered.
Alex
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I think that there is only two of them Alex, and the probably cant keep track of all they have. They have stands at most of the midlands shows though.