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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Hagen Engelmann on September 03, 2011, 07:42:30 AM
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The show goes on:
Colchicum x agrippinum
WILLIAM DIJKES
VIOLET QUEEN
Colchicum ciclicicum PURPUREUM
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some tessellated cultivars
BEACONSFIELD
NANCY LINDSAY (behind)
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intensive tessellated
Colchicum macrophyllum
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VIOLET QUEEN will goes to a darker color
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This AUTUMN QUEEN has lost her white throat
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These pictures are wonderfull Hagen, alpinum, corsicum and some others are flowering here, and of course your Herbstkugel 8)
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Peter -
and you like the globular flowers??? ;)
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The colchicums have been excellent here this year. One of my favourites is Nancy Lindsay. I bought 2 corms ten years ago, and have divided and divided it, now I have 4 good clumps. It is usually the first, starting in mid August, and it continues for ages,
Colchicum autumnmale "Nancy Lindsay"
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Also in our front garden, C byzantinum "Innocence" (with one stray pink). This was also bought as 2 corms at the same time as Nancy Lindsay but has only increased slowly, so this clump is the full result of the original.
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And then the difficulties begin, as I have bought a few others in the last two years and I don't remember which is which. The first is possibly William Dykes or Glory of Heemstede, but I haven't a clue as to the second. ::)
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Diane, the pink byzantinum went back from a white???
WILLIAM DYKES has the same size like NANCY LINDSAY and is one shade lighter. It looks much more silvery. But the shape of the flower is very egg-shaped. So I mean, yours is not WILLIAM DYKES.
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One of my favourites is Nancy Lindsay...It is usually the first, starting in mid August, and it continues for ages
It is a favourite for me too, Diane. An excellent and reliable Colchicum indeed! We had 10 minutes hail a couple of days ago, so they are not as good-looking as yours, but still there!
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Diane, the pink byzantinum went back from a white???
WILLIAM DYKES has the same size like NANCY LINDSAY and is one shade lighter. It looks much more silvery. But the shape of the flower is very egg-shaped. So I mean, yours is not WILLIAM DYKES.
Thanks, Hagen, I can rule that one out. The C byzantinum is odd, it has had a pink one for a few years, but I am not sure if it was there at the beginning. The oldest picture I can find at the moment showing the pink one is 2007, (poor) picture below
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Just notice my Merenderas are in flower
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any pics, Mark ;)???
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You guys are really frustrating me! The heat is still going on here in Indiana; it reached 99 F (37 C) yesterday; the record high for that date was 100 F. There is still no sign of any Colchicum so far, and I have planted loads of them around my place over the years.
Jim
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I saw the first noses of some of our colchicums in the beds down the drive yesterday. We had 11" of rain last weekend and a 'cooler' week, although we will hit 90F again tomorrow. In the summer these colchicums are covered by species paeonies and huge clumps of Amsonias, so I have to be very timely in cutting them down to allow the colchicums to flower unfettered. There are also some sternbergias in the total shade of the amsonias, and they flower - so it isn't the sun per se that they need, but the heat to ripen the bulbs and set flower buds. Cutting the foliage off the amsonias a couple of months before they would die back naturally has no deleterious effect, and we do something similar to many hellebore hybrids in October/November, but this time to make blowing the leaves easier. They don't mind in the least either.
Best,
John
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Here are a few more flowers of today
ANTARES always a fairy flower
JOCHUM HOF intensive color and fine egg-shaped size
C speciosum DOMBAI I have never found the special of this plant
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Ooh were is JOCHUM HOF? Here please.
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Hello Jim,
I mean you have a hot summer.
But also these summer will have an end.
And then is the time of colchicum in Indiana also.
We had a wet summer, so colchicum are much earlier.
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John, You have one of the best websites I ever saw. But in colchicum, You can make a few small things better. Or do you don`t like hybrids?
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A great variety you're showing us here Hagen ! Thanks !
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With all the splendid large-flowered cultivars you show us one would forget that there are species colchicum too with flowers in the autumn.
Colchicum hierosolymitanum from the montaneous area of Israel (and Jordan ?).
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A few variations of Colchicum cupanii.
Colchicum cupanii var. pulverulentum and var. bertolonii from Tunesia
Colchicum cupanii var. cousturieri from Crete
C. cupanii var. bertolonii and var. cousturieri are probably both plants of the large C. cupanii ssp. cupanii complex.
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John, You have one of the best websites I ever saw. But in colchicum, You can make a few small things better. Or do you don`t like hybrids?
Hi Hagen, and many thanks for your kind words. There's always lots of things I can do better! I do like the colchicum hybrids, or at least some of them. For example I love your Antares, and also any with really strong pink color in the petals, or with contrasting colors in the tubes. I like ones which are really distinct and will stand out in the garden. However, I don't know of a good source of accurately named pictures of all the cultivars. In the past it has been fairly easy for me to get seeds and bulbs of the smaller species but it is much harder to get bulbs of the named hybrids. Can you recommend any good suppliers - I know Janis has sold them in the past and Leonid lists a number, but that is all I have come across - but I haven't looked too hard.
All the best,
John
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Lovely Colchicums Luc.
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Jim:
After returning from vacation many of my Colchicums and pushing their noses up through the soil.
Arnold
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Jim:
After returning from vacation many of my Colchicums and pushing their noses up through the soil.
Arnold
Hi Arnold!
Possibly because a hurricane recently blew over your place? Did you get flooded?
Jim
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Glad to see you are OK Arnold.
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It was a bit of a journey. We went up to Portland,Maine for a couple of days and left early to head down to the Boston area. The hurricane came and went with some strong winds and branches (small) down all over the place. I think the main force passed west of the area.
We boarded a ferry and spent a week on Nantucket Island. Folks there said it barely rained and the winds we slightly above what they normally experience.
Here's a typical sunset taken from my easy chair!
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Colchicums in my meadow.
Colchicum wither with 32° C. very fast.
Colchicum Seedling
Colchicum autumnale forma alba
Colchicum speciosum
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Franz, I got some bulb to create such fine meadow, but I`m not able to do it soo good.
The weekend is over and the colchicum bloom and bloom and bloom.....
NEPTUN
JENNY ROBINSON
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brand-new to me
Colchicum bivonae
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Hagen, has patience, my meadow is ten years old.
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Franz, schade, daß Du nicht um die Ecke wohnst..........
(rrivat information)
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brand-new to me
Colchicum bivonae
Looks fine , very good form Hagen !
Your meadow stil looks great Franz !
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John Grimshaw has done an nice article on Colchicums on his blog. Worth a look.
http://johngrimshawsgardendiary.blogspot.com/ (http://johngrimshawsgardendiary.blogspot.com/)
johnw
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So it is John!
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I got a very rose plant under the name C greacum Hyb. You can see it in the foreground of VIOLET QUEEN. The different colors stand good in harmony. I mean it is important to find good neighbors in a colchicum plantation.
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I got a very rose plant under the name C greacum Hyb. You can see it in the foreground of VIOLET QUEEN. The different colors stand good in harmony. I mean it is important to find good neighbors in a colchicum plantation.
Yes, the contrasting colours are most appealing.
Important for us all to have good neighbours, though, Hagen, not only our Colchicums, eh?!! ;)
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no (negative) answer ;)
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Franz, schade, daß Du nicht um die Ecke wohnst..........
(rrivat information)
Finde ich auch!
Jim
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Volledig mee eens!
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Hagen,
love your cultivars. Wonderful display, like every year!
Luc S.,
we shouldn't forget about the species indeed. And yours are grown to perfection, thanks for sharing.
Franz,
love your seedling with its very narrow petals...really stunning.
Here are a few which are flowering here now:
Colchicum agrippinum
Colchicum x byzantinum
Colchicum bivonae 'Vesta'
Colchicum tenorii
and Colchicum bivonae 'Apollo'
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Wim, beautiful Colchicums! Your agrippum are better than mine.
Colchicum agrippum
Colchicum bornmuelleri
Colchicum cupanii
Colchicum speciosum album
Colchicum autumnale alboplenum
Poul
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Poul,
love your white species. My C. agrippinum has been growing in one of the warmest spots of my garden for 2 years now and it seems to like that.
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Not many colchicums in our garden but I had bivonae many years ago and it makes a stunning clump! Must try more.
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Wim, Poul,
C x agrippinum is growing here in the garden since 6 or 7 years. The only problem is the late frost in march and april. The young leaves are very damageable. So it would be good to find a garden place with no winter sun and cold in early spring.
Tim,
your C bivonae is splitting very good.
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new and very good in color and size: a German cultivar with an English name Colchicum speciosum WINE CUP. It is really an eyecatcher!!!
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Here is another spectacular plant. Colchicum bivonae blooms the first season in our garden. Size like a big C. speciosum, very very globular. No white throat but white middle rips. Never saw such a flower. Came from a generous forum member. I`m so happy!!!
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You have a marvelous selection, Hagen. 'Wine Cup' is lovely and well named.
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'Wine Cup' is very nice, Hagen. As is C. bivonae...
A few which are flowering here now:
Colchicum autumnale 'Nancy Lindsay'
Colchicum byzantinum 'Album'
Colchicum laetum
Colchicum 'Lilac Wonder'
Colchicum speciosum 'Album'
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Wim, if you would like some more bulbs of Colchicum laetum ......... ;)
WINE CUP is a C. speciosum.
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Wim, if you would like some more bulbs of Colchicum laetum ......... ;)
WOW, impressive :o :o
I forgot, Colchicum 'Waterlily' is flowering here too.
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Nice pics, all fellows :D I'm envious now ;)
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Really a spectacular show. The bivonea is really pretty too.
I hope I can contribute a bit more:
The first to flower was the little Colchicum corsicum. But now the cultivars really get going. Unfortunately I do not have names for the cultivars or either the wrong name. Hagen (or anyone else) can you help me out?
Thank you,
Rob
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I've been eating my heart out over all these pictures of Colchicum in bloom. Now, finally: my first Colchicum flowers are showing up -- C. cilicicum, probably bought originally as 'Purpureum'. Now I'm feeling much less left-out.
Jim
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I've been eating my heart out over all these pictures of Colchicum in bloom. Now, finally: my first Colchicum flowers are showing up -- C. cilicicum, probably bought originally as 'Purpureum'. Now I'm feeling much less left-out.
Jim
Ah Jim, now you know how some of us feel looking at your plants! ;)
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My colchicums from Donetsk garden - Colchicum umbrosum ex Crimea, Colchicum speciosum The Giant, and some corms already planted but not yet flowered of a true fall-blooming Colchicum laetum - a gift from one my Caucasian friend from his collection ;D
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Wim, if you would like some more bulbs of Colchicum laetum ......... ;)
WINE CUP is a C. speciosum.
Hagen, it is Lilac Wonder on your pic, not C. laetum. I think there is any true C. laetum in Europe bulb culture..... ??? instead of it is usually sold some C. autumnale hybrids or C. umbrosum at best.
True C. laetum from wild you could see here
http://www.plantarium.ru/page/image/id/33595.html
http://www.plantarium.ru/page/image/id/24176.html
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I just repotted some Androcymbium larifolium today. It's surprising how much those corms resemble the C. laetum corms. Well, they are in the same family, of course.
Jim
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Hello Dimitri, I agree with you. My C laetum isn`t the original or wild laetum.
But it is the type C laetum hort. PINK STAR, Rod Leeds wrote in his book AUTUMN BULBS.
LILAK WONDER is greater, has a light tessellation and blooms 2-3 weeks later.
My pic shows the differences.
Thank you for the links to the original.
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Hi Poul, what do you think, should I plant C davisii outside in the ground??? I saw, you have the plant in a pot.
Hi Hagen,
I have two C. davisii bulbs. One in pot is in flower now and one planted in a raised bed in the garden. There is no sign of the one in the garden yet, so I do not know if it has survived the last hard winter. If it has, I would say it is hardy, and I will plant the other bulb in the garden too. I will let you know when the one in the garden (hopefull) is in flower.
Poul
Hi Hagen,
Now I can answer your question - and the answer is yes. As you can see below my Colchicum davisii is doing well outside. It has survived the long and cold winter without any protection.
Poul
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Good news, Poul, Thanks
Hagen
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Colchicum byzantinum alba
and an unknown
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Arnold, why the second can`t be Colchicum byzantinum?
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Arnold, indeed, your second one is colchicum byzantinum.
Hagen, your colchicum collection is fantastic!!! I enjoy evey photo you upload.
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Thank you, Zhirair, but I miss the comparison with your plants and your helpful comments. What is happen?
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Hagen,
I don't have any colchicums blooming at this time. Few days ago, I even replanted some cv.s to move the part to the garden in the country house. I noticed that only few started rooting. I hope in a week or two, the season will start in my place as well.
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Thanks for the ID. I have about thirty scattered around and labels seem to walk away.
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Here is PINK GOBLET, late, very globular, a kind of C. speciosum. It has especially light darker tubes.
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Here is Colchicum Autumn Herald
And
A smaller one I have as Colchicum rhodopaeum from Bulgaria
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Colchicum tenorii
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Some colchicums we saw today on the wild
It would be great if you could help with ID
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Arda these are Colchicum bivonae!
This is a huge colchicum and best for garden growing!. Where did you see them?
Just picture 5 I am not very sure It looks like a different with dark pink stamens! Is this also from same location?
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Nice tessellated flowers, Arda.
But I have no experience with C. bivonae, so I can`t help you.
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LILAC WONDER, an old hybrid with narrow segments. It needs a season without rain and storm. Than it looks pretty, like a better C tenorii (of the gardens).
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Arda these are Colchicum bivonae!
This is a huge colchicum and best for garden growing!. Where did you see them?
Just picture 5 I am not very sure It looks like a different with dark pink stamens! Is this also from same location?
Thanks for ID
They are really big.I saw them at Hekimdag which is at the north of Eskisehir. Climate is different from the rest of city there. All are from the same location.
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Two more garden-cultivars in flower today:
Colchicum 'Lilac Bedder' and Colchicum 'Poseidon'
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Poseidon = Jaroslavna is a nice cultivar. I like it too.
Lilac Bedder looks like Rosy Dawn?!?!
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Colchicum macrophyllum Cretan White found by John Fielding.
Janis
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Lilac Bedder looks like Rosy Dawn?!?!
Yes, it does, I grow them both, but 'Lilac Bedder' is quicker to multiply. Bought this one a couple of years ago from Augis-bulbs (http://augisbulbs.com/catalog.php?c=40)
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Janis, the white C macrophyllum is a white jewel.
Wim, the increasing number is the only difference? What could I have? ::)
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Wim, the increasing number is the only difference? What could I have? ::)
;D ;D
No idea,
it flowers later than 'Rosy Wonder' 'Rosy Dawn' and it smells very good (don't know about the smell of 'Rosy wonder' 'Rosy Dawn' though ???)
Rosy Dawn of course! Thanks Hagen!
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OK Wim, yes I have no ROSY WONDER. Nobody has ROSY WONDER.
I will take my nose into the flower of my so looking colchicum tomorrow - and then appoint the name of the cultivar. The world could be so easy.
But really, I got a lot of cultivars last years and all were "only" ROSY DAWN.
Also my CONQUEST is a ROSY DAWN.
So every real sign to LILAC BEDDER is helpful.
Here is a pic of my ROSY DAWN.
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But really, I got a lot of cultivars last years and all were "only" ROSY DAWN.
Also my CONQUEST is a ROSY DAWN.
So every real sign to LILAC BEDDER is helpful.
Here is a pic of my ROSY DAWN.
It could very well be my 'Lilac bedder' is 'Rosy Dawn', next year I'll have to check them more closely. I should check my 'Conquest' too but that one's done with flowering since a month already.
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Here is a nice small botanical colchicum. C boisserii
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Here is a nice small botanical colchicum. C boisserii
Very beautiful, Hagen. Love that star-shaped flower.
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3 colchicums bivoane's flowers and pedicel started to wither. I didn't harm the bulbs while digging but do you think they will survive?
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3 colchicums bivoane's flowers and pedicel started to wither. I didn't harm the bulbs while digging but do you think they will survive?
I think they should Ard,i have just lifted some in flower to give to a friend and they were only just starting roots.The more knowledgeable people will know more.
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3 colchicums bivoane's flowers and pedicel started to wither. I didn't harm the bulbs while digging but do you think they will survive?
Don't worry, just replant them as soon as possible and they'll keep on growing perfectly.
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Today me and my friend have found largest colchicum bulb I have ever seen. It had 6-7 flowers
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Colchicum autumnale alboplenum looks good today
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Congratulations for this fine group, Poul :o
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I have to agree with Hagen, that's very impressive, Poul
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Thank you Hagen and Wim! But that's nothing compared to your Colchicum collections.
Poul
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Poul, Colchicum autumnale ALBUM PLENUM only grows in a garden of a connoisseur!!!
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For a long time I knew GLORY OF THREAVE only from the book "Autumn bulbs".
This season I saw it in nature first time.
Very good reddish flowers.
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Colchicum autumnale album
(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4788/img0249lu.jpg)
(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/2146/img0246s.jpg)
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Peter II, das ist Colchicum byzantinum ALBUM = INNOCENCE. :) Oder ein völlig unüblicher Typ. Woher sind die Pflanzen?
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Peter II, das ist Colchicum byzantinum ALBUM = INNOCENCE. :)
Hagen, doesn't "Innocence" have pink tips at the end of the petals?
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Yes Diane so it is normally.
I asked Peter II, where the plants came from.
The flowers look very compact with broad tubes.
I never saw such C autumnale.
May be, the number of flowers can give an answer.
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Colchicum autumnale album
(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4788/img0249lu.jpg)
(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/2146/img0246s.jpg)
Hagen, Peter II, Diane - it is typical C. autumnale albino form... not at all C. byzantinum.
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Hagen, Peter II, Diane - it is typical C. autumnale albino form... not at all C. byzantinum.
It's a more sturdy form than my C autumnale album
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Hallo Hagen,
die Zwiebeln sind von N.L. Chrestensen (Erfurt).
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I agree with you again Diane.
Here are my C aut. album.
Peter, beobachte mal, ob die Stiele noch deutlich länger werden.
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Months of rain, but today the sun shone and the air was warm.
Too late for my Colchicums. Hoards of slugs have been out foraging in the moist weather.
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Sadly to see your rests of flowers.
We have small green or blue pellets to feed the slugs and then they have no more appetite to flowers.
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@ Hagen,
die Blüten wachsen nicht mehr.
the flowers no longer grow.
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Hi!! It's my double colchicums - Waterlily and Alboplenum - blooming now in Donetsk - SE Ukraine.
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Dimitri, I like the double whites so much. Good pics. They stand between Viola?
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Here is the way to my new colchicum gallery. Gallery is OK since yesterday ;).
http://www.engelmannii.de/bilder/colchicum/index.htm
You are welcome!
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Wonderful site. I have bookmarked it.
Thank you for sharing it,
Susan
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Dimitri, I like the double whites so much. Good pics. They stand between Viola?
Me too, Hagen, thank you))) Yes, it is Viola odorata alba collected by me some year in Romania
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Wonderful pictures, Hagen. Love them all, but 'Teufelskralle' and 'Glory of Threave' are exceptional.
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Nice Colchicum gallery Hagen and amazing Hemerocallis gallery too ::)
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Thank you, all. Good to get a feedback of some more colchicum enthusiasts so far in the world.
Nicole, no problem to swap hemerocallis next year.
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Hagen, well got-up website and of course beautiful pictures as we expect from a specialist !!!
What about these two ?
Picture 1: Colchicum Teufelskralle (Foto Hagen Engelmann)
Picture 2: Colchicum Harlekijn (Foto Unknown ?)
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Great website, Hagen, and thank you for the colchicums you sent me, which I am enjoying very much. Thanks also to another forumist for the ones he sent me too! I feel another collection coming on. ::)
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Hello Freddy, very unusual computer time.
I never got Harlequin or Jarka. But in the 90s I found TEUFELSKRALLE in the garden near a clone of an very early C. speciosum, (called C.s. bornmuellerii in East Germany - but this is not correct). I lost most of them last winter.
I never saw a stigma in any flower.
But I never had a chance to compare, because there are no plants of
Harlequin and Jarka in my garden.
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Hello Anne,
I got some very special ferns this spring and lost my head.
Now you have an answer ;).
Colchicum is a really good genus for nice garden plants and if you can develop some feelings...... :)
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The last hurrah of Colchicums here after a long flowering season.
johnw
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Colchicum cupanii,
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I like the pin-stripes!
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Beautiful, those C. cupanii!
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Colchicum bornmuelleri
(http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1717/pict0061d.jpg)
(http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7687/pict0063t.jpg)
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Last flowers Colchicum cilicicum Purpurascens - soon predict the beginning of frosts.
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Such a beauty Natalia :)
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Thank you :)
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I gathered some bulbs from mountains last month. But I wonder when will they show leaves? Were they fully dormant during flowering period?
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Arda, it depends to species, In some species the leaves start to grow in autumn, in others after winter. For C. bivonae February or march. It depends also to your native climate when your temperature will rise up.
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Thank you
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Arda, in the autumn flowering Colchicum in our part of the leaves appear in May next year. :)
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The leaves of Colchicum troodii are almost like some Ophrys ...
Picture 1 : Colchicum troodii
Picture 2 : the real Ophrys .
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Some more evidences of the unusual season here...
Now in flower :
Colchicum doerflerii , flowers normally here in january (sometimes a bit earlier but never at the beginning of november) (1&2)
Colchicum brachyphyllum flowers normally in january or february ...(3)
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Tiny beauties Kris!
One of my last autumn colchicums:
Colchicum psaridis
Poul