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Title: Kindles
Post by: mark smyth on August 16, 2011, 12:25:39 PM
Has anyone bought a Kindle? Have you bought plant books? Do you rate them? Would you rather have a real book? How good are they for the internet? ......?
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: Darren on August 16, 2011, 12:42:49 PM
Even though I got told off for buying a book last night* I will join the kindle set about the time that I start buying on e-bay or joining facebook - when hell freezes over!  ;) ;D


 *shelf space is an issue apparently. My response to which is usually to get another bookcase, but Susan rightly points out we are now also running out of walls.. anyway £3:50 for Deni Brown's Aroids book in our local Oxfam seemed too good to miss.
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: Peter Maguire on August 16, 2011, 01:02:48 PM
LIz Mills took her husband's kindle on the SRGC dolomite trip and became a convert within the course of the week.
Personally, I'd rather have a 'real' book - then I can fall asleep reading in bed without running the batteries down.  ;)
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: mark smyth on August 16, 2011, 01:25:10 PM
That'll be a long sleep Peter. Amazon say their kindle has a two month battery life
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: Maggi Young on August 16, 2011, 01:33:14 PM
Does the device not have a "snooze" mode that shuts it down if you don't change pages after a set time? Like a variation on the shut down/ battery save feature on a camera?
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: Peter Maguire on August 16, 2011, 01:37:21 PM
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That'll be a long sleep Peter. Amazon say their kindle has a two month battery life

I don't sleep, I hibernate.  :D
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: mark smyth on August 16, 2011, 02:11:20 PM
Shelf space!
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: Peter Maguire on August 16, 2011, 04:33:08 PM
Plenty of space on that top shelf, especially if you lay them horizontally.  :D
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: mark smyth on August 16, 2011, 04:39:03 PM
true

I assume people have seen the 'brick'
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: Neil on August 16, 2011, 05:53:49 PM
Hold on to it they are starting to become collectors items.
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: angie on August 16, 2011, 07:28:41 PM
What's the brick  :-\

Angie :)
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: Martin Baxendale on August 16, 2011, 07:46:41 PM
What's the brick  :-\

Angie :)

Massive old mobile phone on a shelf in one of Mark's photos. I might not have spotted it but I was blowing the pic up to see how much info I could glean from Mark's computer and other stuff for my identity thieving hobby.
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: mark smyth on August 16, 2011, 07:51:39 PM
Sorry Martin only Outlook is open. I should have changed it to the forum.
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: Casalima on August 16, 2011, 08:51:25 PM
In an average-sized 3-bedroom flat I have 18 tall bookcases and sundry other book cases/shelves with books - so, yes, I have a Kindle!!!

If you fall asleep with it on, which I frequently do, it turns itself off in a few minutes (customisable, I presume), but then again it also only uses the battery when you are "turning a page". I have a cover with a reading light (LED) in it so I do have to recharge it more often, but it also means that I can read in bed without a bedside light, and I don't wake up in the morning with the light still on any more!

At the moment I only read fiction/essays on it. I don't find the search features practical enough for using it with reference books, though I would imagine it might be useful in the kitchen, provided you don't want recipes with colour pictures. Internet is also a bit clunky, but can be useful.

For holidays/travel (going to the beach, etc) it's wonderful!!! And I have friends who read international daily newspapers etc on their kindles (better on the larger model).
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: Susan on August 16, 2011, 10:28:15 PM
I have just bought two Kindles, one for me and one for my husband. I did not buy it for plant books as I don't think I could ever live without them in the flesh, as it were. I need to be able to flick through pages, put post it notes in various pages and drool over some of the illustrations.  I know we need more book shelves but it is one of life's necessities.

The reason I bought mine was for fiction, newspapers and when travelling.  To be able to download Lonely Planets for every country we visited on our recent overseas foray was the best thing we could have done. They are so heavy.  I used the Kindle facility on my Netbook while travelling  and as a result (the exchange rate played a big part also), we both decided to buy an actual Kindle. So far we have not been disappointed.  My husband enjoys fiction and it will probably save money in overdue fines from the library!

As someone has pointed out, battery life is quite long, and they do switch off when one falls asleep.

Susan

Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: angie on August 16, 2011, 11:26:25 PM
What's the brick  :-\

Angie :)

Massive old mobile phone on a shelf in one of Mark's photos. I might not have spotted it but I was blowing the pic up to see how much info I could glean from Mark's computer and other stuff for my identity thieving hobby.

Thanks Martin, just couldn't think what he was meaning.

Angie :)
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: Anthony Darby on August 17, 2011, 02:23:14 AM
I have a Kindle for fiction, and the occasional non-fiction (illustrations can be annoying until you find out how to view them all). Also, the way one chapter merges into another (this was pointed out to Jeffrey Deaver at an evening with and he promised to talk to his publisher about it - he was shaken, but not stirred). I also have the leather cover but haven't used the light much. My daughter borrowed it and broke the glass screen. Amazon replaced it free and sent a new one to NZ free of charge.
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 17, 2011, 05:09:27 AM
So a kindle's a sort of ebook? I'd like one for fiction too but would have to talk to bank manager.
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: Anthony Darby on August 17, 2011, 07:47:07 AM
So a kindle's a sort of ebook? I'd like one for fiction too but would have to talk to bank manager.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002Y27P3M/ref=r_kdla_h_i_gl
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: Casalima on August 17, 2011, 08:14:06 PM
Via a similar discussion on Kindles: http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/05/stop-its-a-really-bad-time-to-buy-a-kindle/
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 17, 2011, 10:18:38 PM
Thanks Anthony and also Chloe. It might be possible after all. How does one get the books? Are they bought Online and uploaded or what? My knowledge of things technical ended with the 1960s.
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: Martin Baxendale on August 17, 2011, 10:50:09 PM
I'm in the process of trying to convert a couple of my books into ebooks for Kindles and it's a pain in the bum. You'd think they'd have the coversion software sorted, wouldn't you. But no. According to Amazon, pdfs, which is what most printers require to print from, so publishers tend to have those ready and to hand, don't convert very well. WHY NOT?!!! Surely Amazon could afford to get the bloody software de-bugged and working properly! They recommend you start with the text in Word format! But even that doesn't work very well. The conversion software seems to do all kinds of odd stuff to your formatting. In one book, all the Slovak words with a c that has a certain kind of accent over them have lost that c with an accent - just blank space! Now I have to go through the whole book changing the accented c where it occurs to an ordinary c!
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: David Pilling on August 17, 2011, 11:19:29 PM
In one book, all the Slovak words with a c that has a certain kind of accent over them have lost that c with an accent - just blank space!

Character set or font problem, like final font does not have the character you've used?

Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: Martin Baxendale on August 17, 2011, 11:31:57 PM
In one book, all the Slovak words with a c that has a certain kind of accent over them have lost that c with an accent - just blank space!

Character set or font problem, like final font does not have the character you've used?



I don 't know what the problem is. It's a č character that I copied and pasted into the text from the symbols selection in Word. All the other Slovak accented characters that I copied and pasted into the text seem to have converted okay in the ebook format. But where there should be a č there is just a blank space.
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: Martin Baxendale on August 17, 2011, 11:35:49 PM
Another thing - why do you have to pay VAT on ebooks? Paper books, magazines and newspapers are zero rated for VAT, on the basis that governments haven't wanted to be seen to be taxing reading, and that taxing reading might mean people reading less. But ebooks have VAT on them. WHY? They're still books - just in a different format. Sneaky taxation on reading by the back door, that's what! Hoping no-one will notice or kick up a fuss because it's only ebooks and they're not a big thing are they? But they will be!
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: mark smyth on August 18, 2011, 12:06:24 AM
Can Kindles show photos?
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 18, 2011, 01:13:52 AM
I thought these sorts of e-books had been around for ages because I was very used to seeing them on "Star Trek New Generations" over a dozen years ago! ;D Yet another incidence of technology catching up with Sci-Fi!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: mark smyth on August 18, 2011, 09:56:20 AM
Further back Fermi. I remember people bring them to Kirk to have a quick read.
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: Anthony Darby on August 18, 2011, 10:46:51 AM
Mark, they can show photos, but they only work in monochrome, so no good for plants books. Kindles are 3G so you just order using your Kindle and your Amazon account. Type in the Author and it lists the books available and the price. You then click "buy" and the book is downloaded on to your machine.
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: Mick McLoughlin on August 18, 2011, 10:54:00 AM
Classic titles and out of copyright books are available free here:
http://www.gutenberg.org/
Cheers
Mick
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: art600 on August 18, 2011, 05:56:06 PM
Why am I not surprised that the No. 1 ebook downloaded free at the Gutenberg website is 'The Kama Sutra'
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: Anthony Darby on August 18, 2011, 08:03:28 PM
I wonder how long it's held that position?
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: David Nicholson on August 18, 2011, 08:25:31 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 18, 2011, 10:06:57 PM

 Kindles are 3G so you just order using your Kindle and your Amazon account. Type in the Author and it lists the books available and the price. You then click "buy" and the book is downloaded on to your machine.

Ah, that's what I wanted to know. Might ask Susan to bring hers to the market tomorrow and show me how it all works. Soon be christmas. :D
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 18, 2011, 10:36:58 PM
Why am I not surprised that the No. 1 ebook downloaded free at the Gutenberg website is 'The Kama Sutra'

Well it's been on my book shelves for 40 years. Don't think I've looked at it for at least 35! :o
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: Susan on August 18, 2011, 11:54:30 PM
What Lesley, the Kama Sutra or the Kindle?
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 19, 2011, 12:22:53 AM
The Kama Thutra, Thilly.
Title: Re: Kindles
Post by: Anthony Darby on August 19, 2011, 01:09:50 AM
Just had a quick scan over my bookshelves. Spotted "The Perfumed Garden". I know the "Kama Sutra" was on offer in "Bargain Books" a few years ago, but I don't think I bought it! I suppose the Kindle is handy in that you don't lose your page when you get distracted by other things!
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