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Plant Identification => Plant Identification Questions and Answers => Topic started by: t5247rb on August 07, 2011, 04:21:38 PM

Title: Two flowers from the Ardèche department of France
Post by: t5247rb on August 07, 2011, 04:21:38 PM: Hello, my flower identification skills are getting rusty. Got two flowers I need help with.

The first I'm wondering if it is a Saxifrage or in the Carnation family. Tell me if I'm way off. Then I'm having a hard time identifying it in either family. The flower was found along a dry roadside slope at 400m on April 22 of this year.

The second was found on the same roadside at the same elevation and day. I'm pretty sure it's a Brassaceae but the leaves are very fine almost like hairs.

Thanks for your help as always.
Rob.
Title: Re: Two flowers from the Ardèche department of France
Post by: ChrisB on August 07, 2011, 04:47:28 PM: First is a mossy saxifrage Rob. Not sure about the yellow one.
Title: Re: Two flowers from the Ardèche department of France
Post by: t5247rb on August 07, 2011, 05:17:59 PM: Interesting, I think when you say mossy saxifrage you mean saxifraga hypnoides. I've looked at photos on the net and I agree that it looks like hypnoides which is also referred to as mossy saxifrage. However, I have seen saxifraga bryoides also called mossy saxifrage. I wonder if there is a different English name for saxifraga bryoides.
Title: Re: Two flowers from the Ardèche department of France
Post by: ChrisB on August 07, 2011, 07:04:09 PM: I'll take a look in my book next time I'm thinking, its not handy here. Do you have Malcolm's tome?
Title: Re: Two flowers from the Ardèche department of France
Post by: Maggi Young on August 07, 2011, 07:29:02 PM: First is Sax. hynoides I reckon.
Confusing that Sax. bryoides is also called mossy saxifrage in English.... excellent example of why it's better to stick with the latin!

Not sure what the crucifer might be.... I find them almost as bad as snowdrops........ ;)
Title: Re: Two flowers from the Ardèche department of France
Post by: ChrisB on August 07, 2011, 10:01:29 PM: Quite right Maggi. I'll consider myself repremanded :'(
Title: Re: Two flowers from the Ardèche department of France
Post by: fleurbleue on August 07, 2011, 10:19:33 PM: Perhaps Biscutella http://www.florealpes.com/fiche_biscutellecoronope.php?photonum=2#visuphoto This website is very useful for french plants
Title: Re: Two flowers from the Ardèche department of France
Post by: Maggi Young on August 07, 2011, 10:56:59 PM: Quote from: ChrisB on August 07, 2011, 10:01:29 PM
Quite right Maggi. I'll consider myself repremanded :'(
Oh dear, that's not what I meant at all! :-* :-*
Title: Re: Two flowers from the Ardèche department of France
Post by: Brian Ellis on August 08, 2011, 09:29:53 AM: Quote from: Maggi Young on August 07, 2011, 07:29:02 PM
Not sure what the crucifer might be.... I find them almost as bad as snowdrops........ ;)

Don't think that remark went over our heads just because we're in the middle of summer ;) 8) ;)
Title: Re: Two flowers from the Ardèche department of France
Post by: ChrisB on August 08, 2011, 12:27:50 PM: ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Two flowers from the Ardèche department of France
Post by: Maggi Young on August 08, 2011, 12:40:06 PM: Tee Hee! Wondered if any of you were listening!! Thought you could not ALL be aestivating!
Title: Re: Two flowers from the Ardèche department of France
Post by: Brian Ellis on August 08, 2011, 03:25:58 PM: ;)
Title: Re: Two flowers from the Ardèche department of France
Post by: t5247rb on August 10, 2011, 08:45:36 PM: Quote from: fleurbleue on August 07, 2011, 10:19:33 PM
Perhaps Biscutella http://www.florealpes.com/fiche_biscutellecoronope.php?photonum=2#visuphoto This website is very useful for french plants

Yes I use this web site quite a lot also. When I look at the photo of biscutella I don't see these fine hair like leaves that I found on the flower in my photo.
Title: Re: Two flowers from the Ardèche department of France
Post by: ranunculus on August 10, 2011, 09:01:46 PM: An alternative might be Coincya cheiranthos (Rhynchosinapis cheiranthos)?
There is a ssp. montana.