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Title: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 01, 2011, 09:32:08 PM
A few weeks ago I was in North Tyrol, in a little village in the Paznauntal: Ischgl at 1376 m. It's near the Swiss border.
Not that many rain, but cold. In the valleys, always 12 or 13 °C, once 18 °C, and above 2000 m, a few times some snow.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 01, 2011, 09:43:00 PM
The first day we went to this valley at 2263 in Swiss and there was a bit of snow falling down.
Nevertheless is saw some plants: Aconitum napellus (photo 1 and 2), a flower of Gentiana verna (photo 3 and 4), a rozet of Saxifraga paniculata (photo 5) and a orchid: Gymnadenia conopsea. (photo 6)
I was curieus, I had to return here again.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 01, 2011, 09:50:58 PM
The second day, I was back in the same valley and the weather was very nice. Blue sky, sun and about 5 °C. Ideal for searching some plants.
Whit the bells of the cows, there was a nice atmosphere.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 01, 2011, 09:58:49 PM
And many plants on the alpine meadows.
Aconitum napellus (photo 1 and 2)
Gentiana verna (photo 3,4,5 and 6)
Trollius europaeus (photo 7 and 8)
And a very little gentian, I think it was G. nivalis (photo 9 and 10)
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 01, 2011, 10:18:38 PM
What a lovely time you had there. The pictures are delightful. Such beautiful scenery enhanced by lovely plants and a really contented cow. Is the little lad your son? He's being well brought up with a love of countryside and wild flowers. :)

Funnily enough, the temperatures, snow etc that you describe in your first post, are exactly what we have had here lately, through our mild winter. Temps of around 13C most days but one a few days ago of 18C and today will be nice too. :)
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: Maggi Young on August 01, 2011, 10:31:20 PM
Looks like a good holiday in spite of the snow, Frankie.
Funnily enough four SRGC friends were also recently in Ischgl, from the 9th to the 23rd July, and they found it quite cold, too. Just the luck of the season, eh?  ;)
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: Diane Clement on August 01, 2011, 11:10:49 PM
We were there in 2008, it was cold then  ::)
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2092.0 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2092.0)
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 02, 2011, 09:38:46 AM
What a lovely time you had there. The pictures are delightful. Such beautiful scenery enhanced by lovely plants and a really contented cow. Is the little lad your son? He's being well brought up with a love of countryside and wild flowers. :)

Funnily enough, the temperatures, snow etc that you describe in your first post, are exactly what we have had here lately, through our mild winter. Temps of around 13C most days but one a few days ago of 18C and today will be nice too. :)

Yes Lesley we had certainly a good time.
The little kid is my youngest son. I try to show them how beautiful the nature is.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 02, 2011, 09:44:43 AM
Looks like a good holiday in spite of the snow, Frankie.
Funnily enough four SRGC friends were also recently in Ischgl, from the 9th to the 23rd July, and they found it quite cold, too. Just the luck of the season, eh?  ;)

Yes Maggi, a fine holiday and lots of plants to see. Maybe I have seen your friends. I was there from the 17th to the 27th july. This was the hotel where we stayed.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 02, 2011, 09:49:32 AM
We were there in 2008, it was cold then  ::)
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2092.0 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2092.0)


I have been looking to your photos, Diane, and I recognize lots of places. Very nice photos.
We saw also many orchids like this  Gymnadenia conopsea in the meadows.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 02, 2011, 10:03:13 AM
The walk on the meadows continues with this Gentian, ik thinks it's G. clusii. (photo 1, 2 and 3)
And this is G. punctata. (photo 4)
Also many Leucanthemopsis alpina in the meadows. (photo 5 and 6)
A Phyteumaspecies (photo 7 and 8)
And an Allium, probably A. sibiricum (photo 9 and 10)

Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: shelagh on August 02, 2011, 11:46:21 AM
Great pictures I can almost smell the fresh mountain air.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: hadacekf on August 02, 2011, 05:18:47 PM
Great pictures!
(photo 1, 2 and 3) = Gentiana acaulis
(photo 3, 4 ) = Gentiana bavarica
(photo 5,) = Gentiana verna
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: David Nicholson on August 02, 2011, 06:33:04 PM
Lovely pics Frankie, thanks for posting them.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 02, 2011, 07:15:34 PM
Thanks everyone.

Franz, which one is Gentiana verna and which one is bavarica. How do you see the diffirence? I tought that photo 3,4 and 5 the same species.
About G. aucalis, what's the diffirence with G. clusii?
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 03, 2011, 09:19:06 AM
Some more plants on the meadows.
Campanula barbata, about 10 cm high. In the lowlands, it grows more than 40 cm high. (photo 1)
The same story for this nice Campanula thyrsoides. (photo 2,3,4 and 5)
Take a good look at photo 5, the yellow plant on the background is a parasit, it's a Rhinanthus, probaly R. minor. (photo 6 and 7)
Campanula scheuchzeri (photo 8,9 an 10)
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: hadacekf on August 03, 2011, 07:41:58 PM
Frankie,

DSC03898
DSC03899  =  Gentiana bavarica
Leaves broadly abovate to spathulate, yellow green.

Gentiana acaulis = the calyx lobes ovate and spreading at the tips.

Gentiana clussi =  calyx lopes long-pointed, straight, more or less parallel with the corola tobe, usually on limestone.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 04, 2011, 02:21:46 PM
Thanks Franz.

And more plants on the meadows.
Many, many Potentilla, I think it's P. aurea. (photo 1, 2 and 3)
Knautia arvensis (photo 4)
The seedhead of an Pulsatilla (photo 5)
This is probably Hieracium aurantiacum (photo 6 and 7)
Centaurea montana. (photo 8)
Cirsium spinosissimum (photo 9 and 10) grows very low, about 50 cm, on the alpinemeadows.


Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 04, 2011, 09:31:54 PM
I found also at the end of the valley(photo 1) only a few plants of a Soldanellaspecies (photo 2 and 3). Any one an idea which one?
Hutchinsia alpina grows in the same area. (photo 4 and 5)
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 04, 2011, 09:34:34 PM
This little Nigritella nigra grows as wel in the alpinemeadows.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 04, 2011, 09:40:57 PM
Many, many marmots in this area.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 04, 2011, 09:41:45 PM
And three more...
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: Maggi Young on August 04, 2011, 10:20:44 PM
Seems to me some of those Marmots are much cuter than others, Frankie. :)  Congratulations on your handsome sons! 8)
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 06, 2011, 09:27:57 PM
Thanks Maggi.

Downstairs in the valley, close to this little river, there grows many plants as well.
Saxifraga azoides (photo 2,3,4,5 and 6)
Parnassia palustris (photo 7 and 8)
An Gentianellaspecies (photo 9 and 10)




Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 06, 2011, 09:36:29 PM
On some big rocks: Saxifraga paniculata. (photo 1,2,3 and 4)
A Sempervivumspecies (photo 5 and 6)
A Saxifraga, I thinks it's S. bryoides. (photo 7)
Saxifraga oppositifolia (photo 8)
Loiseleuria procumbens (photo 9 and 10)
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 06, 2011, 09:40:43 PM
And on those rocks and in the crevices, some litlle trees. Some of them has nice branches.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 06, 2011, 09:44:28 PM
A little peatpont, or how do you Englisguy's name this: a bog?
Whit Eriophorum latifolium.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 06, 2011, 09:45:38 PM
Primula hirsuta in an crevice.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 08, 2011, 08:41:17 PM
A Phyteumaspecies (photo 1 and 2)
Geum reptans (photo 3 and 4)
Dryas octopetala (photo 5 and 6)
Erigeron uniflorus (photo 7 and 8)
Veronica fruticans (photo 9 and 10)


Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 08, 2011, 08:49:15 PM
A Cerastiumspecies. (photo 1 and 2)
A classic alpine: Aster alpinus. (photo 3,4,5 and 6)
Leucanthemopsis alpina, this time as a crevicerockplant. (photo 7 and 8)
A nice rock with some mos. (photo 9)
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 08, 2011, 08:52:53 PM
Jodelaietie, this is Leontopodium alpinum.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: Diane Clement on August 08, 2011, 09:32:35 PM
Great pictures, I think your pictures labelled as Geum reptans numbers 4138 and 4139 are actually Geum montanum

Just for comparison, here are the leaves of Geum reptans I just happen to have handy  ;D
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: ranunculus on August 08, 2011, 10:16:53 PM
Nice images ... your soldanella is S. alpina.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 09, 2011, 09:36:02 PM
Great pictures, I think your pictures labelled as Geum reptans numbers 4138 and 4139 are actually Geum montanum

Just for comparison, here are the leaves of Geum reptans I just happen to have handy  ;D

I don't think so Diana. Geum montanum make no long shoots and Geum reptans does wel. All those Geums that I saw had long shoots.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 09, 2011, 09:37:47 PM
Nice images ... your soldanella is S. alpina.

Thanks Cliff.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: Diane Clement on August 09, 2011, 11:41:14 PM
I don't think so Diane. Geum montanum make no long shoots and Geum reptans does wel. All those Geums that I saw had long shoots. 

Yes,  I agree about the runners (shoots) on G reptans but the leaves on your picture look more like G montana.
I'll put up some more pictures for comparison when we can post pictures again.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 13, 2011, 10:44:49 AM
Some ferns between and in the rocks:

Gymnocarpium dryopteris. (photo 1,2 and 3)
Polystichum munitum? I don't know. (photo 4 and 5)
A little unknown fern. (photo 6 and 7)
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 13, 2011, 10:48:12 AM
Some goats on the meadows.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 13, 2011, 10:52:41 AM
A walk in the Rosengartenslucht in Imst.
On the shade, I found Paris quadrifolia.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on August 13, 2011, 10:57:26 AM
A very rainy day on the Silvretta-Hochalpenstrasse. A lot of mist as well. Not many to sea this day, petty.
Campanula barbata 'alba'. (photo 3 and 4)
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: Panu on August 13, 2011, 04:45:55 PM
Nice pics, the last fern is Woodsia, looks ilvensis, but I donīt know the species in that area.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: shelagh on August 14, 2011, 01:59:22 PM
I agree it looks like a Woodsia.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on October 21, 2011, 08:26:31 PM
Some more impressions from the alps in Austria.
A visit to the Kaunertal, one of the most spectaculair sites.

Aconitum vulparia (photo 1 and 2)
Dactylorhiza majalis (photo 3,4 and 5) at the meadows.
Some nice views (photo 6 and 7)
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on October 21, 2011, 08:29:39 PM
A lot of lupine.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on October 21, 2011, 08:43:39 PM
Camapanula cochlearifolia. (photo 1 and 2)
The Gepatschtausee is a big lake, a reservoir in the Kauntertal. (photo 3 and 4)
Some views (photo 5 and 6)
A little glacial lake (photo 7), the Weibsee.
Cirsium spinosissimum (photo 8) at high altitude.
At the end of the valley, you 'll find the Gepatchferner, the famous glacier. (photo 9 and 10)
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on October 21, 2011, 08:48:50 PM
The 'alpenstrasse' ends at 2750 m. Whit the Karlesjochbahn you can go until 3108 m, at the border Austria/Italy. And you can see, there was lots of snow, even in the summer.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: Maggi Young on October 21, 2011, 08:58:13 PM
More great photos, Frankie, thank you!
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: Anthony Darby on October 22, 2011, 11:54:50 AM
Isn't the second highest road in Europe near there? I remember meeting some bored border guards at the Timmelsjoch in 1988. I think the greeting went "cinque million lire gratzi!" "We don't have any Italian money" "18 Austrian shillings, please ::)".
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: David Nicholson on October 22, 2011, 07:36:50 PM
Cracking pics Frankie, especially those of the glacier.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: Anthony Darby on October 23, 2011, 07:54:12 AM
The views look absolutely fabulous!
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: Hoy on October 23, 2011, 09:10:11 AM
Frankie, I assume you shivered of exitement and not of cold!
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on October 28, 2011, 08:36:21 PM
Thanks people, it was a very nice vacation indeed.

Some more plants that we spotted near the Italian border:
Achillea mosschata (photo 1 and 2)
A Senecio, I think S. incanus (photo 3,4 and 5)
Linaria alpina. (photo 6)

Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on October 28, 2011, 08:49:55 PM
And now, back at the border Austria/Switzerland, with this litlle scree. (photo 1)
Salix reticulata (photo 2)
Another time, Linaria alpina. (photo 3)
Minuartia verna (photo 4)
Saxifraga paniculata (photo 5)
M. verna and Linaria alpina, together (photo 6)
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on October 28, 2011, 08:55:57 PM
Close to this scree, there was a little brook.
And ther I found Silene aucalis (photo 1 and 2)
And al little primula, maybe P. farinosa?  (photo 3 and 4)
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on October 28, 2011, 09:01:56 PM
Another scree, but not so dry, more humid, with lots of Saxifraga azoides en Gentiana nivalis.

A very nice Pedicularis species. (photo 1 and 2)
Saxifraga stellaris (photo 3 and 4)

Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on October 31, 2011, 07:39:43 PM
Right on the border Austria/Switserland, we found this place about 2737 m altitude. Almost always a very cold wind and always snow.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on October 31, 2011, 07:49:50 PM
On a day with little snow, I was able to explore this little area (photo 1)
And I found many exemples of Silene acaulis. (photo 2,3,4 and 5)
Also a Myosotisspecies (photo 6,7 and 8)
Doronicum grandiflorum looks marvelous. (photo 9 and 10)
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: Armin on October 31, 2011, 09:07:47 PM
Frankie,
thanks for posting your images.
It is interesting to see what is still in blossom in this time of the year.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on November 03, 2011, 08:51:42 AM
Frankie,
thanks for posting your images.
It is interesting to see what is still in blossom in this time of the year.

For clarity, these are all photos of this summer, Armin.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on November 03, 2011, 08:55:53 AM
Here some photos of some saxifrages. Any one an idea, which species?
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: alpinelover on November 03, 2011, 09:00:45 AM
And these are the last photos. It's the beautiful Ranunculus glacialis.
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: Armin on November 03, 2011, 01:38:57 PM
For clarity, these are all photos of this summer, Armin.

Thanks Frankie - very lovely images anyway ;)
Title: Re: shivering in northern Tyrol
Post by: hadacekf on November 03, 2011, 05:43:24 PM
Frankie,
It is Saxifraga exarata subsp. exarata. Super images.
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