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Title: looks like an Aster but isnt
Post by: mark smyth on July 30, 2011, 06:36:05 PM
Last year I bought a blue flowered perennial that looks like an Aster but isn't. The leaves are hairy. The label has gone. It's just started flowering. What is it?
Title: Re: looks like an Aster but isnt
Post by: David Nicholson on July 30, 2011, 08:27:30 PM
Felicia??
Title: Re: looks like an Aster but isnt
Post by: mark smyth on July 30, 2011, 08:42:47 PM
No David. It's about 1m / 3 feet high
Title: Re: looks like an Aster but isnt
Post by: David Nicholson on July 30, 2011, 08:55:23 PM
So is this

http://www.kew.org/plants-fungi/Felicia-amelloides.htm
Title: Re: looks like an Aster but isnt
Post by: daveyp1970 on July 30, 2011, 09:02:27 PM
Erigeron speciosus Mark?
Title: Re: looks like an Aster but isnt
Post by: mark smyth on July 30, 2011, 10:15:13 PM
No Davey.

David from memory Felicias have thick smooth leaves

I've emailed the nursery
Title: Re: looks like an Aster but isnt
Post by: Lori S. on July 30, 2011, 11:23:21 PM
It's not Erigeron speciosus, which looks like this (different leaves, particularly):
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Why is it not an aster?
Title: Re: looks like an Aster but isnt
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 30, 2011, 11:26:04 PM
Looks like an Aster to me. ???
Title: Re: looks like an Aster but isnt
Post by: mark smyth on July 31, 2011, 12:37:12 AM
Maybe the nursery had a wrong label
Title: Re: looks like an Aster but isnt
Post by: Maggi Young on July 31, 2011, 10:47:36 AM


David from memory Felicias have thick smooth leaves



From the KEW page link David showed :
"Felicia amelloides is a densely branched herbaceous perennial, which grows up to 1 m high. The stems are green to dark red and the leaves are rough, hairy and borne opposite each other on the stem. The leaves are dark green above and light green below. Because of a covering of short stiff hairs, stems and leaves can feel like fine sandpaper to the touch.

The compound flower head (capitulum) is bright yellow in the centre (the bisexual disc florets) with a ring of sky-blue female ray florets around the outside. The particularly striking flower heads are about 3 cm in diameter and are held well above the leaves on leafless stalks, which are up to 18 cm long. Unlike many other members of the daisy family, the flowerheads of F. amelloides do not close at night.

The cypselas (fruits) are dark brown with tiny hairs. Each fruit is shed with its pappus which, acting like a tiny parachute, helps to disperse them."
Title: Re: looks like an Aster but isnt
Post by: annew on July 31, 2011, 12:31:56 PM
Just compared it to Aster x frikartii 'Monch' and it appears identical.
Title: Re: looks like an Aster but isnt
Post by: mark smyth on July 31, 2011, 02:12:45 PM
Thanks everyone

Does anyone grow the 'climbing' pink flowered Felicia? Mine died last winter
Title: Re: looks like an Aster but isnt
Post by: mark smyth on July 31, 2011, 04:22:57 PM
climbing Felicia

I cant find my photos showing it 'climbing' behind a trellis. It's habit would be the same as winter Jasmine - tie in to a frame and the stems tumble out
Title: Re: looks like an Aster but isnt
Post by: David Nicholson on July 31, 2011, 06:58:09 PM
So, what have we settled on for Mark's "non-Aster"??
Title: Re: looks like an Aster but isnt
Post by: mark smyth on July 31, 2011, 08:26:15 PM
I'm going to the nursery tomorrow
Title: Re: looks like an Aster but isnt
Post by: ChrisB on July 31, 2011, 08:31:44 PM
Mark, that looks a lot like a felicia to me, I've grown several from Silverhill seed and there is a huge variation in their habits.  I'll take a look in the field guide I have but it sure looks felicia like to me.
Title: Re: looks like an Aster but isnt
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 31, 2011, 10:12:05 PM
The climbing pink Felecia only climbs if you insist. I mean you have to train it onto something and tie it, otherwise it flops all over the ground, even if it is planted right beside something to climb on. Nice though.
Title: Re: looks like an Aster but isnt
Post by: mark smyth on July 31, 2011, 11:38:46 PM
The climbing pink Felecia only climbs if you insist. I mean you have to train it onto something and tie it, otherwise it flops all over the ground, even if it is planted right beside something to climb on. Nice though.

and so easy from cuttings
Title: Re: looks like an Aster but isnt
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 01, 2011, 08:01:16 AM
So, what have we settled on for Mark's "non-Aster"??
Mark,
if it's not an aster it's possibly a Boltonia, especially if it grows a metre tall.

The pink felicia is an absolute menace here >:( - We spent time on the weekend removing a couple of square metres of it! Originally grown from a slip growing through a railing fence ::) It self layers and spreads very fast - even during the drought!
It probably sets seed if you want some!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: looks like an Aster but isnt
Post by: TheOnionMan on August 02, 2011, 01:31:38 AM
Looks like an Aster to me. ???

Looks like an Aster to me too.  I vote for Aster.
Title: Re: looks like an Aster but isnt
Post by: Maggi Young on August 02, 2011, 09:46:23 AM
There's an argument which says that every daisy looks like an Aster, and vice versa!  ;D

I'm going with Felicia.  David's link is quite convincing.... good description and even the South African stamp on the page has the  same foliage and formation at the growing tips.  ;)

It's the fruit that makes the difference of course......
Title: Re: looks like an Aster but isnt
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 02, 2011, 10:49:52 PM
I've grown the Boltonia which looks exactly like Mark S's pics.
But when you google Boltonia you mostly get B asterioides which is white - I can't remember the species which I grew but the pics on the web of B. "Jim Crockett" come closest in appearance. The height alone counts out a lot of others.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: looks like an Aster but isnt
Post by: zephirine on August 06, 2011, 06:23:22 AM
Any news from the Nursery, Mark?
Title: Re: looks like an Aster but isnt
Post by: mark smyth on August 08, 2011, 09:57:45 AM
I just didnt get the time to visit. It only 10km / 7 miles away. I must try to get some time today. It's our best nursery and garden. Angie, Fermi and Will have been there
Title: Re: looks like an Aster but isnt
Post by: mark smyth on August 08, 2011, 08:32:34 PM
and the answer is .... Monch
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