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Specific Families and Genera => Amaryllidaceae => Topic started by: Hans J on July 25, 2011, 03:21:19 PM
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here startet with flowering :)
Nerine gracilis
enjoy
Hans
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Hans, I'm glad you started this topic. My Nerine krigei is just starting to bloom, and several others should follow along soon.
Jim
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Very elegant Hans
here also the first Nerine almost in flower
Roland
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::)
...not only the people think the summer is over....
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Nice little thing Hans :D How high is it ?
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Thank you Nicole :)
the plants are 22 cm high ( for Angie : 8,66 inch)
Hans
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Very nice Hans wish I could grow Nerines but I've failed abysmally each time I've tried.
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Thank you David !
First I must look what is "abysmally" ( never heard before ) ....
They are not difficould David !
Maybe not all flower for me each year ...but I have not any lost in all the years .
Which problem do you have with them ?
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Thanks Hans, nice flower.
Just remembered I bought two nerines last year. I wonder what I have done with them ::)
Angie :)
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Thank you Angie :)
Any news from your Nerines ?
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Hans had a look for my Nerines this morning. Now this is where I am confused, nothing unusual there ::)
Mine were under my bench, I think mine are all winter growing.
This is what I have.
Nerine sarniensis, N.humiliis bredardrop. N.laticoma
Any help appreciated.
Angie :)
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Angie :
N.sarniensis + humilis are wintergrower....
N.laticoma is summer growing ....this plant should have leaves in this time
Have you bought your plants from southern hemishere or from northern hemishere ?
I can really suggest all growers of South African bulbs the new book from Graham Duncan !!!
The titel is "Grow Bulbs" it is from the Kirstenbosch series .
There are good cultural advices for all kind of bulbs ,corms ,tubers from South Africa :
treat as wintergrowers,summergrowers,evergreen and more
Please look here :
http://johngrimshawsgardendiary.blogspot.com/2010/11/grow-bulbs-by-graham-duncan.html
Hans
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Hans I am ashamed to say that I bought that book a few months ago and just had a quick look at all the lovely pictures.
I even forgot I had it. I bought my bulbs of eBay.
Hans I have left my book on my kitchen table and will give it a good read and try and have a better system with my bulbs.
Thanks Hans for taking the time to help me, much appreciated.
If anybody is thinking of buying this book I can say its really worthwhile, some books I have bought before just scared me but this is first class and the text is big enough that if I can't find my glasses I can still read it, a bonus.
Angie :)
ps aren't there some lovely flowers in the book Hans.
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Angie ,
you should put this book in your greenhouse !!!
I have before month bought a other book : The Color Encyclopedia of Cape Bulbs
( Manning ,Goldblatt ,Snijman )
There are also wonderful pictures ...but more or less not any cultural advices -so this book from Graham Duncan helps really a lot more !
Yes ...there a lot of wonderful pictures ...making appetit for more plants !
Hans
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Yes Hans my appetite is growing all the time ;D good job some of these wonderful bulbs are hard to get.
Enjoy the rest of your day.
Angie :)
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I even forgot I had it. I bought my bulbs of eBay.
Sorry to say Angie ....but this bulbs from Ebay ( if not adaptet to our hemishere ) are often problematic !
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I even forgot I had it. I bought my bulbs of eBay.
Sorry to say Angie ....but this bulbs from Ebay ( if not adaptet to our hemishere ) are often problematic !
Hans yes you are right. I stopped buying SA bulbs from eBay. I always look at them but I keep my pennies in my pocket.
Angie :)
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Angie :
we all have to pay our "Lehrgeld" ( apprenticesship ) !
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;D ;D ;)
Angie :)
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Here is Nerine krigei, characterized by twisted leaves. Krigei needs to be chilled down to around 40°F (4 C) in winter to trigger flowering the next summer. Only one or two buds open at a time in the umbel. The individual flower is about an inch to 1.5 inches across the face.
Jim
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Jim, very nice plant!
My N. laticoma seems to be shooting up a scape, I need to go poke around to see how it's doing!
Josh
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new Nerine flowers today :D
Nerine angustifolia
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Very nice Hans 8) I have potted up my Nerine bulbs so now I hope they will grow and flower for me, only time will tell ::)
Angie :)
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Angie, you must have clear which ones are winter, which are summer and which are summer evergreen. They have different requirements.
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Alberto this is still where I am struggling. I read somewhere that there were only four species that were winter growers is this not the case. I think I am in trouble again.
Angie :)
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Yes, humilis, ridleyi, pudica and sarniensis, all dry summer dormant.
It will enormously simplify your tasks if you use one label color for summer and another for winter growers.
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Thanks Alberto
I was just telling Hans J the other day that I was using coloured labels ( red for summer growers and blue for winter ) he had said that he new others have use different colour labels The way I am going I will have a pot full of labels. If I win the lottery I could simplify everything by just moving over to Southern hemisphere and growing all the plants that I love so much.
Thanks Alberto any help is appreciated.
Angie :)
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I use orange for summer growers and green for winter growers for the only reason that these colors were the ones available in the thousands at the time. Oddly, some colors would become brittle with time even they were all the same material (vynyl).
Using more colors would become too cumbersome. We need to use those two colors as we have year round rainfall and there is always the wrong cycle in the open. We have all the plants outdoors and simply put the lid on when the plants need to be kept dry.
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Nerine gracilis
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Nerine laticoma
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Mine is opening its first bloom today. Interesting timing. My krigei are still blooming as well.
Jim
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So it looks like they flower at the same time regardless of where they are or how they are treated.
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One of my laticoma is in bloom now. It came from Croft Nursery in 2000 as one of 3 small bulbs, and I think this is the first time it has bloomed. Its leaves are markedly narrower than those of other accessions of laticoma that I have. I'd like to compare this one to Arnold's sometime. None of my laticoma have shown any signs of being fertile so far.
Some of my krigei are still blooming. This one came from Charles Craib in 2002, mis-labelled as bowdenii wellsii. It does have leaves that are a bit wider than my other plants of krigei, but they have the characteristic twist; and the plant is quite fertile.
Finally, my hybrid [krigei x filifolia] is blooming. The cross was made in 2002, and I think the actual seed parent was the filifolia with krigei contributing the pollen. It's foliage is intermediate between that of the two parent species. It flowers on stems almost as long as those of pure krigei. It also blooms more reliably every summer than either parent, and is apparently completely sterile.
Jim
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Jim:
My N. laticoma is marked JES 1018. :)
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OK, that means you got it from me! But that yours is a different accession from this one (this is #991) and my plants of #1018 are not blooming this year. I was hoping you had something different from the things I have. Anyone else with laticoma blooming?
Jim
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Nice hybrid Jum, congratulations.
The first Smithers sarniensis hybrid is about to open. This is its first flowering and it appears it will be a purple, a good 1-2 months earlier than normal.
johnw
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Anyone else with laticoma blooming?
Jim
Not me. I forgot about it and had it in with my winter growers ::) :-X have been watering it but maybe its to late, no sign of leaves :'(
Angie :)
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Anyone else with laticoma blooming?
Jim ,
Here are until no flowers or buds on my N.krigei and N.laticoma ...I suppose it is to hot here - I have also no sign of flowers on my Haem. albiflos
Hans
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Hans, from what I hear from my in-laws in Switzerland, Europe has had a wretched summer -- first cold and rainy, now miserably hot. Maybe after this hot spell lets up you'll see some flower buds.
Jim
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Jim ,
yes -you are right with this strange summer :-\
....I live not so far from the Switzerland border ( maybe 100 km )
I have just looked in my older pics : in year 2008 my N.laticoma has flowered on 07.September ...so the is hope :D
Hans
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Now here is a conundrum: flower is laticoma, leaves are krigei. My #1647, came from Charles Craib in 2003 as very tiny bulbs. Bought as and labelled as N. krigei. This is the first one of the batch to bloom.
Any opinions?
Jim
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I have bought in last spring bulbs of Nerine undulata “Quasar Light” .....but until today I have not found any informations about this cultivar - maybe anybody knows this name ( or breeder ) ?
Thank you
Hans
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The first Smither' sarniensis hybrid is almost out. I thought it was going to be a light pruple but no, it's very close to true red and flowers larger than most.
This is hellishly early.
johnw
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Wonderful colour John.
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Here in flower
Nerine angustifolia almost open
Nerine filifolia almost open
Nerine gracilis
Nerine masoniorum
Roland
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Nerine filamentosa is also regarded as a form of Nerine filifolia, difers in being shorter and particularly in the flowers that has the tepals bent inwards and the stamens prominent forward, as in certain species of Stenomesson
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Nerine laticoma seeds
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Nerine platypetala in bloom. The 1.5 inch flowers on 3-inch pedicels are at the top of a 20-inch peduncle.
Jim
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Here are flowering :
Nerine humilis
Nerine sarniensis "Alba"
Nerine bowdenii
Hans 8)
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Nerine bowdenii alba
(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/711/img0200tf.jpg)
(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6076/img0204vl.jpg)
(http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/5094/img0209ip.jpg)
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I'm remiss in taking pictures, but the weather is not being very cooperative just now. Besides the Nerine platypetala mentioned above, I have in bloom N. filifolia, N. gracilis (or maybe it's hesseoides), and several pots of a very nice one that I call "Den's Dwarf" which came from Dennis Wilson. I had it labeled N. angulata, but I've no idea what the correct species name is. The flowers are about 1 inch across, pedicels about 3/4 in. long, and the peduncles up to no more than 8 inches long. It always blooms late in summer, but most of my Nerine are running late this summer. As usual, Nerine masoniorum seems to be going to skip blooming again this year. My N. rehmannii were neglected to the point of death, and the sole survivor does not look like it will try to bloom this year.
Jim
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A few Nerine hybrids in flower here. Apologies for the poor photos and colour; I am missing my Nikon 8700 - R.I.P..
johnw
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Nikon or no Nikon they are superb John.
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Yes, super.
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The variations of colour between them are enough for me! I can't imagine if you still have the Nikon!
Very nice collection!
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John they are lovely 8) photos look ok to me. I have some in the greenhouse but no flowers yet.
Angie :)
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6253 looks like one of those sumptuous smokies?
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here are flowering :
Nerine sarniensis "Red Pearls"
Nerine bowdenii "Sofie"
Nerine bowdenii "Vesta K"
Can anybody confirm this names ...I have it bought with this labels ...but I can not found any reverance -anyway they are pretty !
Hans 8)
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If they are all so nice, Sophie is a little jewel, Hans ! :D
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Thank you Nicole :D
..but they are not so little ... ;D
Hans
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A "little jewel" imeans a "great stuff" for me Hans ;D
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;D ;D ;D
for you Nicole :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbF4G_cQ8uc
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Hans that red Pearl is outstanding.. :)
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Yes Hans they are very pretty, sorry I cant help with the names.
Angie :)
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Thank you Angie and Surreylad :D
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Hans that red Pearl is outstanding.. :)
Yes, I'm a real fan of such rich red flowers........ they just look so sumptuous.
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A stunning Red Pearls Hans.
Here a few more in flower. No. 3 has a particularly good sparkling effect. #1 simlar to another posted.
Interestingly one flower stem upon emergence snapped almost all the way through. Still it soldiered on and has now extended fully, the flower is about to open.
johnw
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Thank you John :D
Do you know this names ?
I have never heard before from "Red Pearls" and "Sophie" ...
from "Vesta" I have read something in the web ..
Exist maybe a list with all cultivars ?
Your plants are very pretty - do you grow it the whole year in greenhouse ?
Hans
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Your first Nerine is stunning too, and very pretty John ;)
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No these names are not familiar Hans. I googled Red Pearls, Red Pearl, Rode Parel, Rode Parels, Rote Perle, Rote Perlen, Perle Rouge and Perles Rouges to no avail. Sophie may be Sohpia but no hits. Do you know the source(s)?
You could contact Nick at Exbury. If you need his email address drop me a pm. He writes a fine letter in response to queries!
Nicole - Thanks but I take no credit - for that you must blame the hybridizer ;); there is a very dark purple hopefully yet to flower.
johnw - +18c and no frost yet.
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I can't wait for looking at its pic John ! I did not know there were so dark Nerine :D
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Nicole - Here are two of the darker one from 2009.
johnw
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Wow Marvellous!
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I find no words :o... but wonderful color John !
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Oh MY!!! Do we know a name?!
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'Dingaan' is probably the darkest purple nerine available ~ Exbury Gardens sell it through their website nerines.com
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Here are some links for those of you falling under the spell of these plants....
http://www.nerines.com/ ....as just mentioned by Malcolm
http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/1483610 .... a book to tempt you
http://nerineandamaryllidsociety.co.uk/ ....a club to join...it seems the Secretary is one Malcolm Allison ;D ;D
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Malcolm - This one here appears to be darker than Dingaan, without the smokiness of many of the grey purple and mauves but a tad squinny.. Dingaan has a much better shape and it would be wise to cross the one here with Dingaan. The clear dark ones usually (at least here) have a red central stripe but not so with this one. I have promised Exbury will get an offset should it ever decide to make one. Perhaps I should get pollen to them if they're interested.
Mine is from seed of a hand-pollinated cross by Sir Peter Smithers. The cross is PS-9-7 ('David Lionel' x 25519a). 25519a = a sibling of 25519c = Pantaloon x Bagdad.
johnw
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I cannot believe how much I've been missing in the world of Nerine hybrids!
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Malcolm - This one here appears to be darker than Dingaan, without the smokiness of many of the grey purple and mauves but a tad squinny.. Dingaan has a much better shape and it would be wise to cross the one here with Dingaan. The clear dark ones usually (at least here) have a red central stripe but not so with this one. I have promised Exbury will get an offset should it ever decide to make one. Perhaps I should get pollen to them if they're interested.
Mine is from seed of a hand-pollinated cross by Sir Peter Smithers. The cross is PS-9-7 ('David Lionel' x 25519a). 25519a = a sibling of 25519c = Pantaloon x Bagdad.
johnw
John,
I hope you are intending to dab a bit of pollen around as this purple one is outstanding!
As you noted before even a broken stem will produce flowers and even seeds so cutflowers are worth getting to keep for seed production ;D
cheers
fermi
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Very nice pics indeed!
I only have 2 hybrids but no sign of flowers...
J-P
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'Dingaan' has quite a clear purple colour, slightly wider petals than John's hybrid; however, they flower heads on 'Dingaan' tend to be a little on the meagre side (6-8 flowers per stem, rather than the 14-per-head that was Sir Peter Smithers' ideal); I would post a picture if I weren't such a duff photographer...
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Gosh, 'Dingaan' is amazing!
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'Dingaan' has quite a clear purple colour, slightly wider petals than John's hybrid; however, they flower heads on 'Dingaan' tend to be a little on the meagre side (6-8 flowers per stem, rather than the 14-per-head that was Sir Peter Smithers' ideal); I would post a picture if I weren't such a duff photographer...
Malcom - You're absolutely correct, meagre is the word. We get 5-9 flower per stem here on all the purples, that varies by the year. We could get 10 with ideal growing conditions I suppose but think genetics are against it in this generation. The mauves & grey mauves are much more generous it seems. It will take quite an imaginative breeding strategy to up the number of flowers per stem, hindered of course by the complexity of the crosses here. Fourteen is a lofty goal, but then Sir Peter settled for nothing less than absolute excellence.
johnw
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new Nerine flowers from today :
Nerine undulata "Quasar Light"
Nerine X "Manselli"
Hans 8)
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Beautiful flowers! I'm eager for my few sarniensis hybrids to bloom too.
I'm curious about what folks use for fertilizer, if any, on sarniensis and its hybrids. How much? How much nitrogen? How often?
Jim
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Thank you Jim !
I use Phostrogen as fertilizer ( 14 - 10 -27 ) ,
and I give it all 2 weeks :15 gr. per 10 ltr.
Hans
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Sir Peter used to worry about fertilizer, and especially nitrogen, causing release of an endogenous virus in the broad-leaf Nerine varieties. Have you ever seen anything like that?
Jim
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Jim - I have not heard from this problem before.
Shure we should not give high nitrogen fertilizers ...
I'm not shure with virus ...but maybe this is a result of virused twin scaled nerines ?
It is strange in this year with flowers on my nerines - I had not flowers on N.krigei + N.laticoma ....but on the most of my smaller nerines - maybe a result of this strange summer ?
Hans
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Sir Peter used to worry about fertilizer, and especially nitrogen, causing release of an endogenous virus in the broad-leaf Nerine varieties. Have you ever seen anything like that?Jim
Jim - That is indeed what Sir Peter said both in the books and in letters. I too use the same Phostrogen as Hans but 1/4 strength maybe twice a year. I also give them a pinch of potassium as a top-dress. I have seen this virus - streaking of leaves - i=once on one plant, I tagged the plant and no streaking appeared the next year.
johnw
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I have to made a correction :
All my wintergrowing Nerines ( like sarniensis ,humilis ) have not received any fertilizer until now - only the summergrowing like bowdenii,laticoma,undulata,krigei and all the thin leaved ...
So this is maybe a reason why I not have seen this virus - I will water my wintergrowers later with fertilizer.
Hans
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I appreciate everyone's comments.
I use a home-made soluble fertilizer for these broad-leaf Nerine, including bowdenii types: 0% nitrogen + 10-25% phosphate + 30-40% potassium. The range of values is not the composition itself which is constant, but rather my lame attempts to calculate the composition.
I have seen the virus-like streaking of the leaves after every occasion where I have used my normal fertilizers (20-10-20 at 100 ppm nitrogen) on these Nerine forms. On the other hand, all my nerines except the sarniensis and huttonii sit outdoors in the lath house in summer. They pick up traces of nitrogen from the rainfall and from birds that hang around the lath house, without getting the streaking. I'm trying to decide how much nitrogen to let my few sarniensis have,since they currently get none.
The home-made fertilizer is 50% by wt potassium sulfate, 25% dibasic potassium phosphate, and 25% monobasic potassium phosphate. It is certainly not cost-effective to make this oneself!
Jim
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It is strange in this year with flowers on my nerines - I had not flowers on N.krigei + N.laticoma ....but on the most of my smaller nerines - maybe a result of this strange summer ?
Hans
I have found laticoma to be a rare bloomer here at my place. N. krigei needs to be chilled in winter in order to bloom the next summer, or so I have been told. I normally store both krigei and laticoma under benches in my cool greenhouse and get fairly good bloom on the krigei. Chilling might help laticoma to bloom, but it apparently is not sufficient in itself to trigger bloom in this species. I had only 2 out of about a dozen bloom-size laticoma bloom this past summer.
Jim
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Jim ,
I do the same like you with N.laticoma + N.krigei ....in winter they are in my greenhouse under the benches .
But no succsess for this year !
....maybe one reason was that I have repot it in last winter ...it seems some Nerines like this not .
In other hand - my N.gracilis and some other have flowers well after repotting
Hans
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Jim - On their website Exbury recommends "Feed fortnightly with weak LIQUID MANURE or similar fertilizer for good leaf growth- make sure that it is low in nitrogen- we use a tomato fertiliser that is 15-15-15." They seem unperturbed by the viral threat and produce great plants.
My bowdeniis get alot of fertilizer outdoors as they are on the edge of a Galanthus patch. It doesn't seem to adversely affect them at all.
johnw
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Hans very nice 8) and all this talk about viruses. I still don't have a flower on any of mine yet :-\
Angie :)
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Nerine flexuosa (humilis) Alba
Nerine bowdenii
Nerine sarniensis
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In these days I have too a Nerine sarniensis in bloom..it has 2 scapes for one bulbs!
I love the golden dust over the petals
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A good red in flower today, colour-wise that is. Petals too narrow and on first flowering only 7 flowers per stem.
johnw
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This is a bit earlier than last year.
Nerine Blanchefleur.
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Michael, are you saying that fexuosa and humilis are synonyms?
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Yes, according to the Pacific Bulb Society.
http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/NerineSpeciesOne
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I understand several groups of Nerine species have been combined but that the discarded names represent distinct plants, so I am retaining the names for "horticultural purposes" untill I see if the plants I grow are distinct
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Hard to take pictures of white flowers.
Nerine blanchefleur
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So I shan't rename this snakepit of seeds just yet. N. flexuosa alba went haywire before I got them packed to send off. The little bulbs are already forming.
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Some very nice colourful Nerines here! My plant - from one seed once upon a time - is more modest! But it produces a lot of flowers on long scapes (they are all in one small pot). I don't know the species.
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If liquid manure is animal manure, how can you control the nitrogen content of manure?
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you use manure which is two or three years old, or more, Alberto. It should have been left for the rain and wind to remove most of the nitrogen and a solution made from it be very diluted. ;)
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My Nerine sarniensis hybrids -- some of them, anyway -- are in bloom.
Nerine sarniensis 'Garnet Glory'
Nerine sarniensis 'Inchmery Kate'
Nerine sarniensis 'Koho'
Nerine sarniensis 'Miss Willmott'
Nerine sarniensis 'Uganda'
To the naked eye, 'Uganda' looks to be some sort of lavender-purple. To the camera, it looks red or orange or something. The picture shown was taken on a rainy day, which brought out as much of the "purple" as I was able to get.
Jim
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Wow that Inchmery Kate is really nice.
Angie :)
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My memory is totally unreliable, but I think 'Inchmery Kate' is a polyploid. Someone some years back looked at the chromosomes or DNA of several of the cultivars of Nerine sarniensis (maybe Ben Zonneveld?). Some were not simple diploids like the species sarniensis, bowdenii, etc. 'Kate' is bigger and more robust than the dozen other sarniensis hybrids I have here, and she sure looks polyploid to me. Could she be a true sarniensis-bowdenii hybrid? In actual fact, I really have no clue. But I'd like to know.
Jim
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Is there one of the members who knows an good nursery
to buy Botanical and hybrid sarniensis Nerines
would be nice if we can visit the nursery too
best not to far from Dover (I mean not 200 or more km)
Roland
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Simply go to Nikki de Rothschild's web site or his nursery. My 'Garnet Glory', 'Koho', and 'Uganda' came from Nikki.
Jim
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The 'Inchmery Kate' and 'Miss Willmott' are old-timers, sent to me by a friend in a fit of pique that I had till then refused to even try to grow any of the sarniensis hybrids. I did kill about half the ones he sent me, but the rest, including 'Kate', are still hanging on and occasionally blooming. Their survival prompted me to try some of Nikki's fine new hybrids.
Jim
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Jim I am scared to ask but I will, what is polyploid :-\
Angie :)
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Polyploids:
Diploids have two sets of chromosomes, one pair of each type. Humans are diploids. Tetraploids have 4 individual chromosomes of each type. A polyploid is any organism that has more than two chromosomes of each type. A tetraploid is a polyploid. So is a triploid, which has three individual chromosomes of each type.
If this isn't clear, ask again please.
Jim
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No Jim that's fine, explained very well. I can't wait till I ask my husband if he knows what polyploid means. He is always bamboozling me, he loves history, science and is always telling me things that I don't understand. I will impress him this time.
Thanks for the explanation.
Angie :)
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Angie,
You make me so happy, I love that you aren't ashamed to ask questions because you know, at one point Jim didn't know this either!
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Angie,
You make me so happy, I love that you aren't ashamed to ask questions because you know, at one point Jim didn't know this either!
;)
Like at school if you didn't ask you never got the help. That's what went wrong with me I never put my hand up in class. :-\
Angie :)
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"My memory is totally unreliable, but I think 'Inchmery Kate' is a polyploid. Someone some years back looked at the chromosomes or DNA of several of the cultivars of Nerine sarniensis (maybe Ben Zonneveld?). Some were not simple diploids like the species sarniensis, bowdenii, etc. 'Kate' is bigger and more robust than the dozen other sarniensis hybrids I have here, and she sure looks polyploid to me. Could she be a true sarniensis-bowdenii hybrid? In actual fact, I really have no clue. But I'd like to know."
It's controversial & different investigations have given different results, so it's uncertain whether 'Inchmery Kate' is diploid or tetraploid; its parentage is reported to be either a selfing of 'Alice', an Exbury hybrid with the parentage 'Aurora' x undulata Flexuosa Alba group, or a seedling from 'Alice' pollinated by 'Lady Foster' (a pink sarniensis hybrid bred by H.J. Elwes before 1922).
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Is there one of the members who knows an good nursery
to buy Botanical and hybrid sarniensis Nerines
would be nice if we can visit the nursery too
best not to far from Dover (I mean not 200 or more km)
Roland
Exbury sell sarniensis hybrids, mainly over the internet; it's also a fabulous garden to visit at any time of year, with a lovely site sloping down to the Beaulieu river. I would think Exbury is less than 200km from Dover.
Springbank nursery on the Isle of Wight has a National Collection of sarniensis & also quite a number of species. But my top tip for obtaining material of all kinds of Nerines is to join the Nerine & Amaryllid Society ~ the NAAS have two bulb exchanges a year & you do not have to offer bulbs in order to receive them.
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"My memory is totally unreliable, but I think 'Inchmery Kate' is a polyploid. Someone some years back looked at the chromosomes or DNA of several of the cultivars of Nerine sarniensis (maybe Ben Zonneveld?). Some were not simple diploids like the species sarniensis, bowdenii, etc. 'Kate' is bigger and more robust than the dozen other sarniensis hybrids I have here, and she sure looks polyploid to me. Could she be a true sarniensis-bowdenii hybrid? In actual fact, I really have no clue. But I'd like to know."
It's controversial & different investigations have given different results, so it's uncertain whether 'Inchmery Kate' is diploid or tetraploid; its parentage is reported to be either a selfing of 'Alice', an Exbury hybrid with the parentage 'Aurora' x undulata Flexuosa Alba group, or a seedling from 'Alice' pollinated by 'Lady Foster' (a pink sarniensis hybrid bred by H.J. Elwes before 1922).
Further on parentage: 'Aurora' is a bowdenii x sarniensis, so 'Inchmery Kate' theoretically has some bowdenii genes, but you would never know that just by looking at the plant or growing it (behaves like a pure sarniensis type).
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Here an unnamed Nerine
For the first time in flower
I found this one in-between the Nerine bulbs I bought last year .
looks as a hybrid one with very wide leaves (2,5 cm)
in real the colour is a little darker as on the picture
Maggie maybe better to put a new name without October for Nerine
to start a new tread for November is a little ....
Nerine season is almost over
and there is an other Nerine thread in Amaryllidaceae
Roland
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Maggie maybe better to put a new name without October for Nerine
to start a new tread for November is a little ....
Nerine season is almost over
and there is an other Nerine thread in Amaryllidaceae
Roland
Thanks, Roland, I had missed that there were two threads... I've joined all to one now.
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Thanks :)
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Here an unnamed Nerine
For the first time in flower
I found this one in-between the Nerine bulbs I bought last year .
looks as a hybrid one with very wide leaves (2,5 cm)
in real the colour is a little darker as on the picture
Roland
This looks like a 'Mansellii' type ~ sarniensis hybrids that owe their late flowering due to their other, undulata, parent
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Thanks Malcolm
looks very much like that one
Roland
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Another attempt at posting a picture of late-flowering nerines in the greenhouse: these are 'Jenny Wren', 'Grania', 'Rose Camellia' & 'Bennett Poe', all rather similar to one another, but 'Jenny Wren', rather a lovely deep cerise.
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I am visiting today the Springbank Nursery, Isle of Wight
and hope there is something left
to make some nice pictures
maybe even a few plants for sale
Roland
Edit by maggi to add postal contact details of this nursery:
Springbank Nursery, IOW. Ken Hall can be contacted by post at Springbank Nursery, Winford Road, Newchurch, Sandown, Isle of Wight PO36 0JX
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I am visiting today the Springbank Nursery, Isle of Wight
and hope there is something left
to make some nice pictures
maybe even a few plants for sale
Roland
Happy hunting, Roland!
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Another attempt at posting a picture of late-flowering nerines in the greenhouse: these are 'Jenny Wren', 'Grania', 'Rose Camellia' & 'Bennett Poe', all rather similar to one another, but 'Jenny Wren', rather a lovely deep cerise.
These darker shades are very appealing 8)
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Roland - I can recommend the Exbury nerines. I bought a batch of 10 mixed seedlings in August three years ago.
When they arrived Nick had generously sent more -15 and all were beautifully packaged in individual bags with a note of flower colour.
They're now fully established, growing well and all flowered nicely this autumn.
If I had more room I'd now try some of the more expensive clones.
I can cheat a bit as I take them to work in December.
We have heated, quite cool glasshouse space ( around 15 degrees daytime) with plenty of supplementary lighting and they really love these conditions.
Most plants will need potting on this year.
If you want to extend the flowering period try giving some of the bulbs water earlier than the rest in late summer.
This happened to mine accidentally this year and I had flowers from early September to late October,
Regards,
David
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It was a good hunting
Very (80 years young) nice guy
and interested in a lot of plants (Cyclamen , Galanthus and so)
Many Nerines where out of flower :(
many half out of flower
but I took some fantastic pictures
And bought over 150 Nerines for selling later
I will post the pictures later
because stupid as I was
I took the wrong connection cable for the camera with me >:(
Roland
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Roland - I can recommend the Exbury nerines.
David
We will try to visit them Friday
if there is enough time left over
not sure because we have to catch the Channel-tunnel train Dover - Calais
Roland
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Here's the perfect Xmas gift for the nerine-lover(s) in your life:
http://www.nerineandamaryllidsociety.co.uk/52589.html
It's a book on cultivating nerines, written largely by UK-based members of the Nerine & Amaryllid Society (I should own up here)