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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: Anthony Darby on May 12, 2011, 05:30:10 AM
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Here is Galanthus corcyrensis flowering now, with grateful thanks to Bill Dijk. Who said snowdrops don't flower in May? 8)
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Oh dear, Galanthophilia strikes again, this time in the south! I'm happy though Anthony, that you have been able to start a Galanthus collection. Just don't get obsessive about it. ;D Mine is also out but I have it as G. reginae-olgae. Are they the same thing?
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Possibly Lesley? One is supposed to flower with leaves, the other without.
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Anthony, is it the latest to bloom spring-flowering form of corcyrensis (reginae-olgae s.l.) OR it is the earliest one of fall-flowering??? :-\
ahhhhh, just noted, you're from NZ))))
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Definitely an autumn flowerer, although it's still summer here! 8)
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Yes autumn flowering for me too, also in New Zealand. :D Difficult to tell about the leaves as they're almost there but perhaps not quite, or just starting. I'll take pictures when the day warms a little (Ok, so I'm not in Auckland and the thermometer says it's 7C outside at present.) One I've had for years as corcyrensis but was told by someone is reginae-olgae and the other I was given recently as reg. olgae. They appear to be identical. Don't know if it helps but the recent one came originally from Mary Evans at Ashburton who had many of her bulbs direct from Paul Furse collections.
In "The Genus Galanthus," Davis describes the foliage as being absent, just emergent or only partially developed at flowering. He mentions corcyrensis as a supspecies but says he doesn't recognise it as the two are not sufficiently different, so I'll go with reginae-olgae for mine.
One thing often forgotten when trying to identify species growing in this part of the world, is that they frequently grow a little differently from in the northern hemisphere, especially in their native habitats. An old friend who is no longer alive but who had a very good little alpine nursery, said that her Narcissus species were always taller than in "the books." A Galanthus which flowers without leave, or a crocus for that matter, may have at least the beginnings of leaves in our warmer climate. That could especially apply in Auckland, even more than down in the south.
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Corcyrensis was the name for the autumn flowering snowdrops found in Corfu and Sicily. The collected forms that predominated in cultivation in the UK had short leaves at flowering time, while the predominant collected reginae olgae forms from elsewhere (Greece etc) tended to have no leaves at flowering time. But field studies have shown that whether there are leaves present at flowering time or nor varies in the Corfu and Sicily populations and in other wild reginae olgae populations, so it's not a good distinguishing feature to justify splitting into sub-species. All (except for the Turkish peshmenii) are now strictly speaking reginae olgae.
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Definitely an autumn flowerer, although it's still summer here! 8)
He speaks in jest of course, even if in English! ;D
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23oC and sunny here today. That's summer in my book! I took Heidi for a walk at 6.15 this morning and it was 18oC. Why couldn't the courier deliver my webcam this morning when I had to be up an hour earlier instead of ringing the doorbell yesterday morning at 6.35? :-\ Today the courier delivered a packet of Narcissus "Polly's Pearl" from Bill Dijk. Big as shallots they were! :o
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Martin ,
On Sicily grows not any autumn flowering snowdrops - G.corcyrensis comes only from Corfu .
The name G.corcyrensis is after the greek name of this island : Kerkyra
I have visit Sicily two times and I found flowering snowdrops near the coast on end of December -begin of January - the same plants grows also in the mts. of Sicily - they flower in Februar - March ...so this plants are G.reginae olgae ssp. vernalis - the same plants grows also on the mainland of Italy ( Calabria + Apulia ) and in Montenegro ( ex Jugoslavia )
Also I have visit Corfu and I saw there several populations of G.corcyrensis -they start with flowers from end of September - November ...they are shure only a form of G.reginae olgae .
Hans
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Hans, are there any other snowdrops that will grow here in Auckland? Must get some seeds, and seeing your avatar reminds me that sea daffodils will probably grow also.
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Anthony ,
I dont know which Galanthus cultivars grows in Auckland ....maybe ask Chris Sanham ?
The picture in my avatar is not a Pancratium :o :o :o.....it is a Pamianthe !!!
Please read here : http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7047.0
Pancratium grows in the mediterranean area ...Pamianthe is from Peru
Hans
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Hans, Aaron Davis in The Genus Galanthus states that there are populations of reginae olgae on Sicily, where they have been studied by the botanist Kamari amongst others. Perhaps you were just unlucky not to find them.
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Martin ,
which page you mean ?
Please read page 105 - there write Davis in Distribution of G.r.o. ssp. vernalis : Greece ,Sicily +Montenegro
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Martin ,
in her work "A biosystematic study of the genus Galanthus " wrote G.Kamari :
G.reginae olgae ...distribution : Peloponnisos,Corfu,Ipiros,W Madeconia ,probably also in Albania ,S Italy and Sicily ....Specimen seen : only Taigetos Mts.
About G,corcyrensis is written : Specimen seen :Kerkyra
Those old founds of G.imperati f. australis (Zodda ) is from year 1904 !!!
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Hans, page 98. Davis says (page 98, end of first paragraph) "According to Kamari (1982), populations of reginae-olgae from Sicily did not belong to subsp. corcyrensis". I assumed from that statement that Kamari had actually studied populations of reginae-olgae on Sicily. But maybe she didn't.
Davis also says (page 98 paragraph 3) "Galanthus reginae-olgae occurs predominantly in Greece.......it also occurs on the Ionian island of Corfu , on Sicily...."
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Of course I have no personal experience of reginae-olgae in the wild, and therefore I'm not saying that Davis is right ;)
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Martin
thanks
I suppose that Kamari means G.reg. olgae grows on all this localities ....but she means incl. also the ssp. vernalis .
An I think Davis means the same on page 98
I dont know if Davis has visit Sicily ...but Kamari has after her work not seen this plant outside of Greece .
In year 2000 I have also visit in fall the Taigetos mts. and found two populations of G.reg. olgae
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I suppose Davis could mean that. He doesn't make it very clear, does he? ;)
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;D ;D ;D
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Guys! See later Aaron's treatment of Galanthus - Davis A. P. The genus Galanthus Snowdrops in the Wild / M. Bishop, A. P. Davis, J. Grimshaw // Snowdrops. A monograph of cultivated Galanthus. Cheltenham : Griffin Press, 2001. Chapt. 2. P. 21-22:
"Galanthus reginae-olgae occurs in the south-western part of the former Yugoslavia, mainland Greece, Corfu, the Peloponnese, Italy, Sicily, and probably Albania." (BOTH!!! subspecies occur on Sicily....)
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Dima :
I will answer first with a german word ( Faust ) :
"Die Botschaft hör ich wohl, allein, mir fehlt der Glaube"
("The message well I hear, my faith alone is weak")
I have never anybody met who has found personly a autumn flowering snowdrop on Sicily .....so I dont believe all was written is in those books ....one person after the other write it ...but there is no proof !
I have seen there Galanthus flowering in December - but thats for me a early flowering G.r.o. ssp. vernalis .
Hans
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I have just found a piece of older literatur ...
In "Flora Sicula" from Tornabene Francisco (1887) is written :
Amaryllideae
Genus 1. Galanthus
G.nivalis
Aetnae ....,in arenosis vulcanicis - planta rara
Majo ,Junio ....
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Anthony ,
I dont know which Galanthus cultivars grows in Auckland ....maybe ask Chris Sanham ?
The picture in my avatar is not a Pancratium :o :o :o.....it is a Pamianthe !!!
Please read here : http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7047.0
Pancratium grows in the mediterranean area ...Pamianthe is from Peru
Hans
I suppose any Mediterranean species would grow? Yes Hans, it's not Pancratium but seeing your avatar reminded me of it.
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I just came across this post when I was googeling
I collected a few years ago some Galanthus reginae-olgae ssp reginae-olgae from Sicily
on a new location
Sure they grow on Sicily
I also collected Galanthus reginae-olgae ssp vernalis from Sicily
They just start flowering here
I can send seeds as soon as they are ripe for those who are interested
last month I found also a twin flower from Galanthus reginae-olgae ssp vernalis on Sicily
Roland