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Title: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Oakwood on April 18, 2011, 04:39:40 PM
Hello, my crazy snowdrop friends!

So, I find it's time to put my snowdrops species pics made in my garden in SE Ukraine that finish flowering at me for now.
At first, I want to say many many thanks to those who shared with me these white droppy beauties for studying and enjoying!! - Melvyn Jope, Chris Sancham, Olga Bondareva, Hans Joschko, Janis Ruksans, Loes de Groot, Wim Granneman, Gerard Oud, and others, sorry, if I forgot somebody!

These first plants are from G. alpinus complex sensu lato
alpinus ex NW Transcaucasia (Novorossiysk vic.)
alpinus ex W Caucasus (Adygeya)
alpinus ex Karachaevo-Cherkessiya (2 pics)
alpinus ex N. Armenia (2 pics)
alpinus ex C Caucasus
alpinus ex C Caucasus (got as angustifolius with applanate leaves)
alpinus ex C Caucasus (got as angustifolius with applanate leaves)
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Oakwood on April 18, 2011, 04:48:03 PM
....G. alpinus complex
alpinus W Georgia (got as schaoricus)
alpinus ex Donetsk botanic garden
alpinus var. bortkewitschianus ex locus classicus
alpinus Dubrava (got as angustifolius with applanate vernation)
angustifolius ex locus classicus
transcaucasicus ex Iran from Chris Sancham
koenenianus, ex locus classicus
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: mark smyth on April 18, 2011, 05:02:08 PM
wow that's a fantastic selection of Galanthus.  I see some green tips. Were the yellow plants under snow or leaves?
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Oakwood on April 18, 2011, 05:12:29 PM
Galanthus lagodechianus complex

ketzkhovelii ex locus classicus - Khochaldag, collected by S. Kharkevitch from Kiev BG
lagodechianus ex locus classicus from Chris Sancham
lagodechianus from different loci ex N Caucasus (got as cabardensis, syn.)
lagodechianus ex N Armenia (got as artjuschenkoae, syn.)
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Oakwood on April 18, 2011, 05:20:30 PM
G. elwesii complex

elwesii Zwanenburg
elwesii ex Munich garden center
elwesii Green Brush from Gerad Oud
elwesii var. monostictus
gracilis ex W Turkey
graecus ex Greece from Mevyn Jope
graecus Kennemerend from Wim Granneman
cilicicus from Chris Sancham, it flowerd at me in cold tunnel from end of December till mid March!!!!! :o
graecus in the wild - Annovka vil. forest, Bessarabia Highland, Odessa region, Ukraine


Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Oakwood on April 18, 2011, 05:44:31 PM
G. krasnovii complex

krasnovii ex Artvin distr., Turkey, from Chris Sancham
platyphyllus ex Chanchakhi river, 1550 m, Georgia, from Janis
valentinae ex W Transcaucasia, 800 m, Russia

Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Oakwood on April 18, 2011, 05:54:19 PM
G. nivalis-G. plicatus complex

nivalis ex C Ukraine
plicatus forms ex Crimea
plicatus ex Kholodny Yjar, C Ukraine - Dnieper Highland, atypical locus 500 km from main G. plicatus area in Crimea, plants with wide thin bright green leaves with no glaucous surface
plicatus ex NW Transcaucasia, Novorossiysk vic., 400 m
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Oakwood on April 18, 2011, 05:57:10 PM
variegated G. plicatus selected by me in Crimea three years ago, stable, named "SAVRASSKA"
nivalis Viridapice - FANTASTIC as usually! that I like so much!!!!
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Oakwood on April 18, 2011, 06:03:13 PM
other species

x allenii from Melvyn Jope
fosteri (got as G. koenenianus x fosteri hybr. from Rannveig Wallis)
trojanus ex locus classicus, first year flowering at me - I liked so much this one that really differs from other species
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Oakwood on April 18, 2011, 06:07:48 PM
wow that's a fantastic selection of Galanthus.  I see some green tips. Were the yellow plants under snow or leaves?

thanks Mark! green tips are seasonal, yellow leaves are due to snow, that also seasonal.
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Brian Ellis on April 18, 2011, 07:27:49 PM
Wonderful Dimitri, I am really pleased to see G.trojanus, a lovely looking snowdrop.  It helps us crazy people to see soome flowers when ours have finished for the season!
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Oakwood on April 19, 2011, 09:23:11 AM
Thank you, Brian! Yes, now my drops are just in a final phase of flowering...
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: wolfgang vorig on April 19, 2011, 05:45:46 PM
Hello Dimitri,
Thank you for your "super" contribution and especially for the rare Galanthus.
kind regards, Wolfgang
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: wolfgang vorig on April 19, 2011, 06:15:09 PM
Galanthus krasnovii this Year,

Wolfgang







Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Oakwood on April 20, 2011, 09:35:30 AM
Hi Wolfgang! Thanks! And very nice krasnovii clone, is it from Artvin or Adjaria? Besides, your "G. cilicicus" turned to be G. reginae-olgae. It overwintered at me very well in leaves.
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on April 20, 2011, 08:08:22 PM
Hey Dimitri, fantastic pics, fantastic plants, fantastic Galanthus species. Now I know: the galanthus season ends only with flowers in Kiev, and the east border of friendly galanthophile is the Ukraine( until now). I believe in your country is the east end of G nivalis and the west end of the species, coming from the caucasus???
I never saw G. koenenianus with basal mark. But this year I found in collections plants with a basal mark too. Is this a unusual sign of only this year? Oh, I had a lot of questions to your pics.

But at first I enjoy these wonderful pics.
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Oakwood on April 21, 2011, 01:43:56 PM
Hey Dimitri, fantastic pics, fantastic plants, fantastic Galanthus species. Now I know: the galanthus season ends only with flowers in Kiev, and the east border of friendly galanthophile is the Ukraine( until now). I believe in your country is the east end of G nivalis and the west end of the species, coming from the caucasus???
I never saw G. koenenianus with basal mark. But this year I found in collections plants with a basal mark too. Is this a unusual sign of only this year? Oh, I had a lot of questions to your pics.

But at first I enjoy these wonderful pics.

Hey, Hagen! Many thanks! Yes! In Ukraine we have G. nivalis on its eastern limit, G. plicatus on its northern limit and G. graecus on its most northeastern limit till Nikolaev area.
It is quite usual and typical for G. koenenianus to have two marks, it is not seasonal and this feature is indicated firstly in species description. Of course, the plants of this species with only apical mark is distributed also in culture, but it is not a rule for whole species.
So, Hagen - if you have more question - please, don't hesitate to ask me by mail or by private message option of this forum.
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: johnw on April 22, 2011, 04:51:43 PM
Dmitri - A superb collection of fine species and selections.  How cold & hot does it get in your area?

Thanks for taking the time to post so many photos.   :o

johnw
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Oakwood on April 26, 2011, 12:38:18 PM
Dmitri - A superb collection of fine species and selections.  How cold & hot does it get in your area?

johnw

Thank you, John, in my snowdrop growing area  - SE Ukraine - there could be +5+10C till -20C during winter, often with hard snow, but it could be any snow with -15C..... We have very hot summer till +30+40C without rains during July-August and even September.
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: KentGardener on October 02, 2011, 03:23:54 PM
Gosh Dmitri.    :)

I must had already moved into my summer forum mode by April!  Very nice flowers Dmitri.  8)

Are the yellow forms proven over a few years or could they possibly have been due to lack of sunlight for one season?

My kind regards

John
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: johnw on October 02, 2011, 03:40:19 PM
Gosh Dmitri.    :)I must had already moved into my summer forum mode by April!  Very nice flowers Dmitri.  8)John

See what you miss when you don't visit the Forum every day!  :P

johnw
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Oakwood on October 18, 2011, 12:14:29 PM
Gosh Dmitri.    :)

I must had already moved into my summer forum mode by April!  Very nice flowers Dmitri.  8)

Are the yellow forms proven over a few years or could they possibly have been due to lack of sunlight for one season?

My kind regards

John

Thanks, John! glad you liked them. yes, the yellow color is seasonal phenomenon caused by warm fall 2010-winter 2011 and snowy and cool March 2011, the plants outgrowed under cover and snow, so - yellow...
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Anthony Darby on October 19, 2011, 08:09:12 AM
What type of climate would suit Galanthus trojanus?
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Oakwood on October 19, 2011, 08:41:58 AM
What type of climate would suit Galanthus trojanus?

Anthony! it grows well at me in SE Ukraine outside. This plant is of Mediterranean climate, the agrotips are similar to those of G. ikariae, elwesii, gracilis....
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Anthony Darby on October 19, 2011, 09:31:51 AM
I must get some more of these Mediterranean species. I'm sure they must be grown here in New Zealand, so will keep my ears and eyes open. I have some seeds of a couple of species sown earlier, so am hopeful?
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Oakwood on October 19, 2011, 09:46:59 AM
I must get some more of these Mediterranean species. I'm sure they must be grown here in New Zealand, so will keep my ears and eyes open. I have some seeds of a couple of species sown earlier, so am hopeful?
it could be, Anthony))) last spring my unique bulb didn't make seeds(((
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Anthony Darby on October 19, 2011, 10:05:33 AM
I was meaning ikariae and gracilis Dmitri. I think it will be a long time before we see trojana, not least because it will have to be assessed.
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Brian Ellis on October 19, 2011, 10:21:10 AM
I think it will be a long time before we see trojanus, not least because it will have to be assessed.

Not too long for such a beautiful flower I hope.  I always keep my eyes open just in case!
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Anthony Darby on October 19, 2011, 10:26:59 AM
Dmitri will just have to troy and get it to increase Brian.
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Oakwood on October 19, 2011, 12:11:16 PM
Dmitri will just have to troy and get it to increase Brian.

aha)) will cut my bulb in many pieces to satisfy all comers)))) this year I was endowed with some extra-bulbs (3-years seedlings) of G. trojanus, hope to get the seeds with time....
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Hans J on October 20, 2011, 03:52:42 PM
Dimitri ,

Please be careful with G.trojanus  ::)...maybe there is something inside ?  :o
We all know the story of the trojanian horse and Odyseus  :-\

 ;D Hans
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Maggi Young on October 20, 2011, 04:07:53 PM
Dimitri ,

Please be careful with G.trojanus  ::)...maybe there is something inside ?  :o
We all know the story of the trojanian horse and Odyseus  :-\

 ;D Hans

Hans, I think Dima has a plan... he will play his balalaika  and if no-one comes out to dance to the music, the trojanus will be safe!  ;) ;D ;D ;D ::)
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Hans J on October 20, 2011, 04:18:46 PM
Maggi ....as you know Odyseus was a very clever man ....think on the story with the sirenes  ;D
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Oakwood on October 20, 2011, 05:15:15 PM
Maggi, Hans!!! Yes! You're right, there is something inside of this trojanus  :-X, something that you will know during the close a half-year! Promised! It would be a great surprise for all galanthophils!!!! UUUU-ha-haaaa  (hell playing the balalaika...)   :o
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Hans J on October 20, 2011, 05:35:25 PM
Is Dimitri maybe only a synomym ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqH3B5fKwDA

Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Anthony Darby on October 20, 2011, 10:01:21 PM
Gosh, I bally like that!
Title: Re: Galanthus species cultivated in Ukraine
Post by: Oakwood on October 21, 2011, 09:33:49 AM
Is Dimitri maybe only a synomym ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqH3B5fKwDA



wow)))) hey! less bigotry, guys! ;D ;D
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