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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: mark smyth on April 14, 2011, 09:59:04 PM
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This Geranium, libani x peloponnesiacum, is always the first to flower in my garden. Does anyone else grow it?
The first G. tuberosum opened today and phaeums are in bud
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Lovely geranium, Mark.
Haven't seen that one around.
Hope you keep posting pics of all your geraniums as they flower.
Most of mine are still under snow.
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Only one new Geranium here for this year - Fay Anna
This phaeum Green Ghost
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The first flower of Geranium tuberosum is now open. Hopefully more people grow this very easy Geranium. It comes in to growth slowly over the winter and will reach a peak in the next week or 10 days. By mid summer it is dormant
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Mark, does the Green Ghost keep that colour throughout summer?
Love the colour, what colour is the flower?
I had some G.tuberosum seeds from one of the seedex last year, don't know what it is but not tuberosum.
Yours is lovely.
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Helen my Green Ghost stays the same all year but the best colour is now. The flowers are greyish white
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This Geranium, libani x peloponnesiacum, is always the first to flower in my garden. Does anyone else grow it?
Yes, Mark, I do! And love it too! Such an incredible blue. And large flowers too!
Still a young plant in my garden, not as showy as yours! It's its second year blooming, and it has just started.
The first flowers this year have been: G. lancastriense, and a few on G. sanguineum 'Canon Miles'. Various Phaeum are also on the start...
Usually it's G. 'Prelude', but I'm afraid I lost it this winter...
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Zepherine my plant started as a very small division with only one growing point. Later I will measure how big it is now.
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How are your G.riversleaianum and other traversii hybrids after this winter? I lost Joy even if it was not that cold but we had no snow cover at all.
G tuberosum was really nice but is making seeds now.We had a few hot days with 26,28c. so spring is early this year.
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I've had tuberosum for years spreading about quite widely in full sun in a border but it only ever threw up a very occasional flowering stem, which when it came was very welcome. Is this normal behaviour for this species? I'm about to try it out now in my meadow area but have removed it from the borders.
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I have two groups in my garden. One flowers really well and the other has more leaves
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This is my totally neglected specimen Tony.
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Brian, that is a brilliant show of G. tuberosum flowers
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Thanks Mark, but it's down to the plant :D
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I'm jealous, Brian. Mine is a niggardly, mean plant. Mind you, it might be the motorbike oil the previous owner poured on the garden ::)
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Brian where does your plant grow? Could it be my plants need more sun. Can you get a closeup of the flowers? Yours seem to have different shape compared to mine
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Brian
Your G.tuberosum looks different to mine.The flowers of your plant are closer to the foliage and the leaves are not as divided as those of my plant.
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Brian where does your plant grow? Could it be my plants need more sun. Can you get a closeup of the flowers? Yours seem to have different shape compared to mine
Will have to wait for the morning now! It was given to me as tuberosum so I hope it is!
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Mark my plant is growing at the foot of a Deutzia, near a holly tree. It is in semi-shade rather than full sun I would say and is hemmed in by other plants...like the rest of the garden. Here are some pictures from this morning...has it been misnamed?
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If it is G. tuberosum it's an excellent form but the leaves look nothing like my plant.
What is the growth habit of yours? I see leaves in early winter and they increase steadily until the rush of growth in early April. By June the plant will have died down
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Brian The flowers also are different.The petals of my plant are broader overlapping slightly and are hart shaped;The leaves are very much like those of Mark's plant.Do you remember how the bulbs are?I had a look at a leaflet published by a french geranium enthusiast about bulbous geraniums and the shape of the bulb helps determination.If you have a look at Yeo's book you'll see that the leaf of G. tuberosum is very divided .So what is your plant?Do you remember where you got it from?Very interesting!
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I have obviously been given something else, sorry for the confusion chaps. The growth begins in early Spring and will have disappeared entirely by May/June, unfortunately the donor is no longer with us. It's a nice memory of her but obviously not what she said, I wonder what it is!
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I'm thinking Brian's plant may be peloponnesiacum that has become stretched to get better light
peloponnesiacum (60cm) from Greece and flowers in May. Mine are buds only but Brian is further south
libani (40cm) from Lebanon, Syria and Turkey and flowers in April and May. I dont grow it
Both species cross with their relative Geranium renardii. Others in the family are platypetalum, ibericum, the annual bohemicum and x magnificum.
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Thanks for your input Mark, I'm not entirely convinced the foliage is the same, will have to take a snap of that to show you.
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when you go out have a wee poke and see if it has a thick tuber at the base.
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I'll have to have a wee poke in the morning Mark, missed your message and just got time to post this before going out. It looks to be a bit more divided to me, although the photos aren't that marvellous!
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Brian, I don't have a clue what you have there but think you are very lucky to have it. ;D ;D ;D
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Another excellent Geranium for this time of year and small enough for troughs is G. traversale
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Nice picture Mark.Do you grow any of the hybrids of renardii with peloponnesiacum or libani?
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Yes.
Stephanie is the only one I know is a cross
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and I have my own seedling with crinkly leaves
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Richard Hobbs tells me that my geranium is Geranium libani, he also grows it in his garden as well as tuberosum which is much sparser in flower. I am pleased to have that sorted and sorry for misleading you. Mea culpa.
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That's good to know.
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Recommendatiions please:-
6 well behaved, low clump forming geraniums taking up roughly a square foot each.
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easy
sanguineum nanum
sanguineum Tiny Monster
Tanya Randall
sanguineum Elka
peloponnesiacum
platypetalum
Go for Geraniums that flower for long periods. Some flower for a few weeks and then finish
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David you need to say where you plan to grow them
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David you need to say where you plan to grow them
Still not mamaged to make some troughs so it will be in the garden but haven't decided exactly where yet. What sort of conditions would suit them best? Thanks for the list.
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G. farreri gets my vote, lovely little plant, flowering in spring and again in late summer.
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Definitely farreri for a trough. Mine have died out :'(
David I grow all my Geraniums in full sun.
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Indeed G. farreri is a lovely thing but it is not an easy one.Among the usually grown farreri and argenteum are the fussy ones.All the others are easier.
Mark your soil must be rather poor if your platypetalum and Tiny Monster grow only a foot square or may be you trim severely.
I'd go for some that behave well and are not too fussy like G. subcaulescens,G.s.splendens and cultivars like Ballerina,Caroll.
G. cinereum (and selections) and X lindavicum(Lissadel,Apple Blossom) ask for excellent drainage and are perfect for a trough.
Among the not too vigorous ones G.regelii is a bit like a dwarf pratense.I also like the neat habit of G. dalmaticum making a nice little carpet(but in the South better grown in semi shade).There are even dwarf forms of G.pheum if you want one for the shade.
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I'm surprised to hear G. farreri is considered difficult, it's been tough as old boots here, equally happy in clay or as seedlings in a peat based mix, as it is in pure sand or gravel...G. renardii is also nice, with decorative foliage that provides interest when it's not flowering.
Mark; I can send you a couple of roots in late June if you want, I've lost my G. lambertii this winter and would love some seeds if you still grow it. (...or of G. yunnanense, I still haven't tracked the real thing down.)
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That's a very kind offer of G. farreri, thanks.
I found a lambertii last summer but it died in the freeze
There are 7 pages of Geraniums on my web site http://marksgardenplants.com/ (http://marksgardenplants.com/) 3rd column
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Arisaema,
You are gardening in Norway not exacly the same climate as in mid France(summer temperatures often above 30c).Even an easy plant as G. dalmaticum is better planted in semi shade here.In full sun the leaves are scorched.But for the bulbous geraniums it is fine .Geranium tuberosum makes a much better display here than when I was growing it 1000km more North.
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No problem Mark, just please remind me in mid June, or I'm bound to forget!
John,
Very true, of course, you didn't have your location listed so I just assumed you were in a moist, maritime climate like Mark and me...
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I'm surprised to hear G. farreri is considered difficult, it's been tough as old boots here, equally happy in clay or as seedlings in a peat based mix, as it is in pure sand or gravel...G. renardii is also nice, with decorative foliage that provides interest when it's not flowering.
For my money G. renardii is by far the best of all geraniums - in flower & leaf - for a position in full sun. The species is infinitely better than any of the hybrids I have seen.
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Geranium renardii has a very nice foliage indeed but mine were never flowering very well.I tried several places and soils but without much succes.
Some hybrids did better.
But may be I just have a bad form.Please let me know.
I had the same problem with geranium regelii.
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Geranium renardii has a very nice foliage indeed but mine were never flowering very well.I tried several places and soils but without much succes.
Some hybrids did better.
But may be I just have a bad form.Please let me know.
I had the same problem with geranium regelii.
My plants of G. renardii are currently planted in a raised bed (60cm high) in very stony/gritty soil & in full sun. Quite dry. I have grown them in fairly heavy soil in semi-shade & they did reasonably well but they flower much better in their current position. I don't think the form I have is anything special - I've had it about 25 years & can't remember where I got it.
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The best source for Geraniums in the UK is Beeches nursery in Essex. That's where most of mine come from
http://www.beechesnursery.co.uk/ (http://www.beechesnursery.co.uk/) they are overwhelmed by mail order just now they have had to stop. Kevin the plantsperson there is very knowledgeable. I go twice a year for a visit
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Arisaema, your farreri is simply beautiful.
Gerry, do you have any pics of your G. renardii?
I had seedlings last year that were supposed to be renardii but where almost 4 feet high when blooming.
Gorgeous big plants and no sprawling whatsoever.
I would also like to see pics of the true G. regelli if anyone has some.
David, you could try G. magniflorum, it is a lovely plant and the foliage is nice to look at even without flowers.
If it spreads you could easily keep it the size you want.
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Gerry, do you have any pics of your G. renardii?
I had seedlings last year that were supposed to be renardii but where almost 4 feet high when blooming.
Gorgeous big plants and no sprawling whatsoever.
Helen - I'll try & take some pics later today, it's too bright at the moment. My plants are about 25cm (10inches) high.
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Thanks, Gerry, I just realized I mixed up G. renardii with G. ruprechtii. :-[ :-[ :-[
My 4 ft high seedlings were ruprechtii.
Would still like to see your pics though.
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Geranium renardii
In my previous post I exaggerated the height of my raised bed; it is 40cm.
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some photos
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Your renardii is very advanced. Does it normally flower now?
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Your renardii is very advanced. Does it normally flower now?
If you are asking me - the answer is yes. The cv P. Vapelle - which I don't like - is also in flower now.
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Thanks Gerry, that is a lovely big plant.
Am wondering why you don't like PVapelle. I had one but it developed some browning on the leaves and croaked.
Mark, lovely pics, the colours are wonderful.
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Helen,
Geranium magniflorum is from South Africa and not hardy outside in the UK.Are you sure you didn't mean magnificum
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Hi John,
I grew my plants from seed purchased at Rocky Mountains Rare Plants in Colorado.
Unfortunately they have gone out of business.
Even more unfortunate is that last December I dug up my plant and brought inside to winter.
Silly thing to do as it had already lasted two winters outdoors.
It was eventally attacked by heaps of aphids and I sprayed it and killed it.
Am very upset with myself still.
Here are some pics, they're not very good but you can at least see the plant.
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Thanks everyone for your help.
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Thanks Gerry, that is a lovely big plant.
Am wondering why you don't like PVapelle. I had one but it developed some browning on the leaves and croaked.
Helen - I made the mistake of planting the Phillipe Vapelle hybrid next to G. renardii - the species - where it looks distinctly inferior. In fact, rather coarse to my eye compared to the refined species. Maybe by itself it would look OK or perhaps I'm just a species snob? I also very much like the N. American G. maculatum - a much bigger plant, also in flower now.
All the G. renardii I have now are seedlings from the original plants.
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Helen,
Geranium magniflorum is from South Africa and not hardy outside in the UK.Are you sure you didn't mean magnificum
I grew G. magniflorum 'La Veta Lace' outdoors here in zone 3 for many years... lost it when I moved it to try to save it from being overrun by other plants. I should grow it again. I am not connected to my hard drive right now, otherwise, I could post a photo. And G. magnificum is hardy here too, though less surprisingly, of course.
Edit: Oh, I forgot... here's a photo that I can access from here:
http://www.nargs.org/nargswiki/show_image.php?id=858&scalesize=0&nocount=y
The finely dissected foliage is very interesting.
edit by maggi to give a shorter url link ;)
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I had G. magniflorum at one time. It died but it was like a weed in a friends garden in the west of Ireland - if I have the correct South African Geranium
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Mark
Do you know from what it died?Do you suspect the winter wet or the cold?Do you know what are the average lower temperatures at your friend's garden?With the Gulfstream not so far away I guess they are mild.
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Lori, if you find another source for either plants or seeds could you let me know?
Would be much appreciated. :)
Sounds like moving to save them is the worst thing one can do!!!
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G. magniflorum seems to be very cold hardy... it survived here (zone 3) for years without the benefit of reliable snow cover.
Helen, seeds are sometimes offered in the seedexes.
Sounds like moving to save them is the worst thing one can do!!!
Yes, I need to keep reminding myself to just move everything else away from the more desirable plant!
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Here is the flower of Geranium phaeum Green Ghost. To my eye it is grey-green but the camera doesnt see it
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This a Geranium phaeum that was growing out of somebody's rubbish(flytipping)it now has a lovely home in my garden.
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Great find and an excellent blue
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Mark that's what i thought i can sort a piece out for you if you would like.
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This is first flower for this seedling.
Seed came from Geranium soc. and labelled G. yunnanense ex china
The growth habit is certainly different from any of my other geraniums.
I have at least 3 of these seedlings, will be interesting to see if the flowers all look the same.
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Lovely plant but it's not G. yunnanense. The flower should be an inverted bowl, pink and black anthers
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Lovely plant but it's not G. yunnanense. The flower should be an inverted bowl, pink and black anthers
Mark i thought it had nodding pink flowers but couldn't Helens just be a different form.
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Possibly. Peter Yeo says it didn't come in to cultivation until 1981 so maybe it could be varied
If anyone has the AGS bulletin 61 it features on page 193
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lots of references to this Geranium on Google but no photos. Maybe some forum members grow it without realising
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Mark, your yunnanense is beautiful.
I want one!!!
The flower has opened more since I took the pic this morning.
Here is how it looks at the moment, it is quite a large flower.
Would love to know what it is.
I did find this link, do you think it is what mine could be?
http://www.asianflora.com/Geraniaceae/Geranium-yunnanense.htm
Dave, I meant to say I really like the colour of your phaeum seedling, it's a most unusual blue.
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Maggie i could collect seed for you.
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If it's a Chinese import it's most likely from N/W Sichuan... The real Geranium napuligerum seems to fit the bill, see the illustration (http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=109492&flora_id=2) and description (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200012392) on Flora of China.
(Note that all images on Google labelled G. napuligerum are misidentified G. farreri.)
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Thanks, David, that would be great.
Am happy to say that the Alyssum spinosum is all budded up and starting to open.
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Thanks, David, that would be great.
Am happy to say that the Alyssum spinosum is all budded up and starting to open.
wow be sure to post picks ;D cross fingers for the seed.
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Some photos of Magnificum taken yesterday
Brian could your plant be one of the selection?
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A close up of the oh so rare G. clarkei Mount Stewart. Mine is dying :'( does anyone grow it?
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Mark, what do you mean by "Mine is dying"?
I too have a problem this year with another clarkei: Kashmir Green. It was so lush and floriferous the past three years...and this last winter wasn't actually so bad, so I don't understand what happens.
There is still a small rosette of leaves alive, but no flowers at all.
I intended to lift it and maybe replant it in a renewed soil, maybe a little deeper to help it develop new shoots.
What do you think of the idea? What are the symptoms with yours???
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Brian could your plant be one of the selection?
I think it must have been a misnamed cross Mark. I ought to take a bit down to Tim Fuller at Plantsmans Preference as he is a National Collection Holder and see what he has to say, I just need to find the time!
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A pretty oxonianum, with distinctive veining: 'Laura Skelton'
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very nice is it new?
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Found on "simplesite.com":
"Geranium x oxonianum Laura Skelton a beautiful cultivar introduced by Judith Bradshaw when she was at Catforth Gardens and distributed by her to the North West Group of Plant Heritage NCCPG."
I don't now when it was issued. I remember it was in the RHS trial in 2006, and I planted it in the garden in April 2007.
It doesn't actually behave like an oxo, here. Rather like a wallichianum, I'd say. It is not a very fast grower, but is worth the wait!
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Hello Zephirine
Have you checked your Kashmir green for any bugs in the soil(or voles)?My Kashmir pink is fine but last year I had the same problem with G.soboliferum but that one likes humidity, and I live in a area that is very dry in summer so despite watering regulary it is never happy from may till september.
If you move it,I'd not plant it deeper just pamper it with lots of compost and shade it for a few weeks.
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Yes, John, I did, and found nothing to explain this queer shrinking...I merely suppose it got exhausted from too much blooms last year, and maybe not enough feeding. Do you think it could be the reason?
Here is what it looked like the previous years, and what's left today...;o(
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Yes ,could be,specially if you haven't fed it after such a nice flowering.
Have others members experienced the same thing with any G.clarkei?
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I just found the first flower on a seedling whose tag has gone missing.
Is this G. delavyi?
Whatever it is I am very happy to have it ;D ;D ;D
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You are correct and I'm so jealous!
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I just found the first flower on a seedling whose tag has gone missing.
Is this G. delavyi?
Whatever it is I am very happy to have it ;D ;D ;D
Very nice!
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Congrats, Helen.... looks like this time you got the correct seed ;)
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=109486&flora_id=2
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=109482&flora_id=2
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Thanks Mark, am very happy to get it, have been wanting it for ages.
Thanks Davey, I got the shock of my life when I saw a tiny flash of purple in the midst of the bush, had no idea what to expect.
Maggi, thanks for the links. Yep, right seed now if only the tag hadn't gone missing.
I can't be sure where I got the seed.
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Very strange Zeph why it stopped. The older photo doesnt show typical habit which is low and suckering
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The older photo doesnt show typical habit which is low and suckering
Neither 'Kashmir White' nor 'Kashmir Green' have a "low and suckering" habit here, Mark! :o They just make (very) slowly expanding clumps, 1.5 to 2 ft high when in bloom.
I once grew 'Kashmir Pink' and 'Kashmir Purple' (in my first garden) . These ones, yes, were "low and suckering" if I remember correctly.
Maybe my clayish soil is limiting their expansive nature?
KW was first planted in 2006 and is still a clump. KG was planted in 2007 and I never noticed any sucker...could it be that the original plant has died, and only a young suckering shoot has survived, then?
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I just found the first flower on a seedling whose tag has gone missing.
Is this G. delavyi?
Whatever it is I am very happy to have it ;D ;D ;D
Helen,
I love that flower!! :o Interesting shape, and great colour combination.
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and now for something very different from a friends garden.
A self sown Geranium ?psilostemon/?Anne Folkard/?Anne Thompson/?Patricia .. X oxonianum ? - possibly Sherwood or Southcomb double
It has huge leaves and a scrambling habit
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very nice Mark i have just been crossing my Patricia.. ;D
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Do you have any of Sherwood, Thurstoniamum or similar to create unusual flowers?
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I do mark and i have access to a variegated sherwood,oxonianum type as well,so you never know.,as well as a grey flowered G.clarkei hybrid that's just coming into flower.
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I do mark and i have access to a variegated sherwood,oxonianum type as well,so you never know.,as well as a grey flowered G.clarkei hybrid that's just coming into flower.
Is the variegated plant SpringFling? Love to see the grey clarkei hybrid
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I do mark and i have access to a variegated sherwood,oxonianum type as well,so you never know.,as well as a grey flowered G.clarkei hybrid that's just coming into flower.
Is the variegated plant SpringFling? Love to see the grey clarkei hybrid
I am not sure of the name at the moment it came from one of my friends,ill ring her because i forgot to write the name down,just put some pollen on to walters gift as well,and will be saving some for one of my dark leaved pratense hybrids,i am looking for dark leaves with the dark purple flower.I'll post pics of my Clarkei when she blooms.
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Davey, do you grow wallichianum or palustre?
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Davey, do you grow wallichianum or palustre?
That's two i need to get back,when i moved from my last house i left about 30 or so geraniums and they were ones i left,but they are on my hit list.But i will nip down to my friends in a minute to see if she has some spare for me or least some pollen.
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Another seedling needing ID
The seed was labelled G. tuberosum.
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Geranium orientalitibeticum i think Helen.One of my favs but can be a bit invasive.
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Thanks Davey, I think I can put up with a bit of spreading if that's what it does or does it seed around a lot?
Am paying the price for flirting with pyrenaicums at the moment.
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Its spread by stolons that have little tubers attached,and by seed but its a beauty,the foliage alone does it for me but the large pink flowers are just icing on the cake.
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I agree, it is a real beauty, both leaves and flower.
Will have to find a good spot for it.
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I have just been given some rhizome sections off a variegated oxonianum this.Mark as soon as the rhizome has roots i can send you one,or i can send you a section with out roots.
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Thanks but I grow it already. It's Spring Fling. It comes in to leaf around snowdrop time with fabulous 4 coloured leaves. Two greens, cream and red
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you star you have named it for me. ;D
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Has anyone heard of Andy's Star?
If so, is this it?
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I dont know Andy's Star
This was my Spring Fling in March
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Well Spring Fling certainly makes a statement.
Wonderful foliage.
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Well Spring Fling certainly makes a statement.
Wonderful foliage.
It has, such a shame it has Plant Breeders Rights on it!
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PBR! I've been passing it around for years :-X
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Where can I find plants or seeds of Geranium pylzovianum? I have grown it for years without problems but it didn't come with me when I moved.I wonder why it is so difficult to find and why gardeners don't grow it more often .(it looks like G.orientalitibeticum but with plain green leaves)
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I grow it but it hasnt flowered for years. I'll look today to see if it is alive on the rockery. I never thought about as a plain leaved G. orientalitibeticum
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This is what my Geranium collection used to look like in 2002 and this was only the potted plants
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Mark
I hope you have another door on the other side of your greenhouse!
And nine years later what is happening?No more pots? Everything planted in the garden?Show us more please!
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Geranium pylzowianum is in the same family as G. orientalitibeticum. It used to be known as 'Frances Perry'
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If only I had room to plant them all in my garden. Some were given away and most went to a friends garden
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Must have hurt to split up your collection, Mark?
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The seed for this plant was labelled as G. refractum, unfortunately it's not :'( :'( :'(
Am wondering if it might be G. albanum.
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G. albanum is a creeper/scrambler. I'm not sure what your plant is
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Ok, thanks Mark.
I thought the flower was more like albanum than anything else I could think of.
The leaves are totally different though. ???
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Helen, my addiction had to end!
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Mark, do they have a GA for addicts?
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Helen, would you have a close-up of the leaves? It might help us to try to identify it...
As it is, it reminds me of a nodosum...
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Zepherine that is what I thought also but the flower isn't correct
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Mark, do they have a GA for addicts?
What's a GA?
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The seed for this plant was labelled as G. refractum, unfortunately it's not :'( :'( :'(
Am wondering if it might be G. albanum.
Geranium gracile ?.
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here's a leaf of G. gracile. I cant find the photos of the flower I took this year
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Zephirine, not nodosum.
Mark, GA=geraniums anonymous :-[
Here's a pic of a leaf, not a very good pic though.
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I havent quite quit GA.
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Helen
Have a look at G.koreanum and see if the description match your plant.
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John, the flower is similar but the leaves on this plant aren't marbled.
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Here's the flower of G. koreanum
It is possible Helen flower is a hybrid with G. nodosum
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Mark, anything is possible, the seeds came from the Geranium Society as G. refractum.
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Saw a very nice geranium today.... very dark purple foliage almost blackish with lovely good sized lilac purple flowers. About 30 cms high, neat plants. No name :P :-X
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Here's a better pic of the leaf of the not refractum geranium.
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Saw a very nice geranium today.... very dark purple foliage almost blackish with lovely good sized lilac purple flowers. About 30 cms high, neat plants. No name :P :-X
Maggi, there is a series of very dark leafed geraniums with Reiter in the name.
There's also one named Hocus Pocus.
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Thanks Helen... I'll have a poke around the catalogues!
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pratense Victor Reiter/Puple Heron/Victor Reiter jnr ..... There is a now a white flowered form
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Thanks Helen... I'll have a poke around the catalogues!
I'll send you one
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Hey, Mark... you have that one? I've just checked and it is surely Hocus Pocus.... looks just like this photo
http://timoilves.planet.ee/haljastus/photos/Geranium%20Hocus%20Pocus.jpg
with big full flowers.... some of the other s listed in a google search under that name have more thin, starry flowers... I like fat and round.......
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Maggi I think the purple leaved Geranium pratense are too much the same except of the white flowered plant
I have a 'black' leaved pratense for you
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Helen I think your Geranium might have G. psilostemon in it's genes. Actually that's a stupid idea because I would have expected psilostemon influenced flowers
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Thanks Mark.... I was very taken by the black foliage. :-* :-* :-*
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This is one of my Favs Geranium Patricia(i have posted this pic on another thread as well)
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Davey, this is one of my Patricias.
Leaves on yours look much lighter than mine, I wonder if mine is mislabelled.
Both of mine look the same and were bought from different sources.
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Helen :o I think you are correct mine might be wrong i could have got my labels mixed up when i moved or one of my seedlings flowering ,it could be geranium ann folkard,i will say the sun was bouncing off the foliage at the time,ill have another look tommorow.
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Davey, I think I'd rather have AF than Patricia after seeing those leaves.
Of course you can always have both ;D
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I have an interesting Geranium pratense seedling in the garden. It looks like striatum but has two tone blue flowers
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Mark, that is a very nice flower.
I like it much better than striatum.
I have yet to see a decent striatum outside a book, I have bought several and they are very wishy washy, no bright blues and white.
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I agree with Helen nice flower,i wonder if you pollen dab with that onto another species would it turn up in the babies.
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This was grown from seed labelled G. yunnanense.
I don't have a clue what it is, have never seen anything like it.
Ideas anyone?
The flowers don't seem to be able to open more than half, very strange.
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pratense Victor Reiter/Puple Heron/Victor Reiter jnr ..... There is a now a white flowered form
Mark,
We've also had a Midnight Reiter here as well, with almost black leaves. None of the Reiters have survived for me.
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Helen it would be good to see an open flower of your ?yunnanense
Paul I forgot about Midnight Reiter.
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Mark, I don't think the flowers are going to open more than you see.
The first one has been like it for a week and now appears to be fading.
I have another plant from the same batch of seeds, looks identical and has buds.
Will be interesting to see if flowers do the same thing.
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Bit of a long shot I know but I wonder if anyone could have a stab at a name for this. It's been in my garden for years, it's a deeper magenta than it looks on the picture, and forms a neat(ish) 18" mound.
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Geranium sanguineum or one of it's cultivars
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Many thanks Mark.
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Geranium sanguineum or one of it's cultivars
Geranium sanguineum...eighteen inches high?!! :o ::) :P :-X I don't think so! Eight, maybe....
For the metrically conversant... that would be Geranium sanguineum...45cms high?!! :o ::) :P :-X I don't think so! 20cms, maybe....
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18" was an estimate, obtained by looking out of the window at it ::) I'll measure it properly tomorrow.
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Lol, I must admit it's surprising...but it's perfectly possible, Maggi.
I agree with Mark, and my best guess would be G. sanguineum 'Tiny Monster'. It deserves its name! And 18" is certainly a little under its actual size in my garden...but it might be with the help of a few neighbours of his...
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See some dwarf geraniums, including little sanguineum and lancastriense, with pix from Mark and Zeph, here:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6551.0
These are the little beauties we have in our driveways to give so much colour. http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2008/160708/log.html
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See some dwarf geraniums, including little sanguineum and lancastriense, with pix from Mark and Zeph, here:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6551.0
These are the little beauties we have in our driveways to give so much colour. http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2008/160708/log.html
What a fantastic use for the smaller geraniums,do you mind if i pinch that idea Maggie.
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Not at all, Davey, we'd be delighted. The Scottish BBC Television garden programme started a driveway garden after seeing it many years ago, though they never quite got the same effect.
It is quite remarkable what will grow in the drive... where, as you might imagine, the soil is not good,mostly bone dry, very hard packed and generally grotty!
We have all sorts of spring bulbs there, including Fritillaria meleagris in what must be as far away from an water meadow as could be imagined, and dactylorhizas are getting going now, we hade our second flowers this year from the seeds we've scattered over the past years. It is the little geraniums that I like best, though, they have hybridised and made their own variations and the colour range is lovely and the flowering period goes on for ages.
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I have a Geranium sanguineum in my garden that when put into a shady area (which is probably the quivalent of full sun for you up there in Scotland Maggi! ;D) would end up close to the 45cm in height. Certainly well over 30cm.
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Has anyone grown Pelargonium barkleyi?
http://www.sella.co.nz/general/home-living/outdoor-garden-conservatory/plants-pots/succulents-cacti/877645/?utm_source=system&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=saved_search
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About big seedlings of G.sanguineum:
I have seen plants up to 6ocm(2') high in the sun.
At the moment I have a cross of G.striatum X ? that is 45 cm high and 1,6m in diameter in full sun and in pure poor sand.I call it Big Monster!It looks like a ordinary sanguineum but with great vigour.It is partly sterile and after a main flowering period in June-July it goes on with a few flowers till the first frosts.Last year there were still 3 flowers the 1 November!
I hope the seedlings will give me some clue to find out the parentage,but I don't have much hope as G.sanguineum is always dominant in a cross.
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Has anyone grown Pelargonium barkleyi?
I have. It's a lovely Pelargonium which if I remember correct is summer dormant
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Here's another mystery geranium.
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G. rubifolium, perhaps? Saw plenty of your "not yunnanense" in Lijiang, Yunnan, the roots are correct for G. napuligerum. (...and if you ordered G. delavayi is from Kristl, then it's from one of my plants ;D)
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Arisaema, I had thought I had these identified as
G. rubifolium, and G. gracile.
Is your pic G. rubifolium?
The leaves look different from all 3 of these plants ???
My G. delavyi seeds came from the Geranium Society, would have been nice if they were your seeds, makes the plants more personal :)
If I had known Kristl had delavyi seeds I would have grabbed some for sure.
Btw, thanks for the ID on the ex China geranium as G. napuligerum.
It is outstanding, the flowers are the most beautiful colour, last a long time and are large.
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I thought G. rubifolium had dark anthers? mystery geranium (2).jpg looks identical to what I grow as G. rubifolium ex Plant World Seeds, although I have to admit I've never keyed it...
> Is your pic G. rubifolium?
Sorry, that's another one from Yunnan, I ment to post G. napuligerum (below) but mixed them up :P
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Arisaema, the pic labelled as G. rubifolium could possibly be G. rectum, do you know G. rectum?
The mystery 2 pic is actually labelled as G. rubifolium, so if the same as yours then I'll change the names.
Your pic of G. napuligerum doesn't look like my ex china plant. ???
The leaves look similar but the flowers not?
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I think it's just natural variation, the species has a wide range, and leaves and stipules are far more important than flowers when identifying Geranium.
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Strange then as I have 4 of these plants and the flowers are the same on all 4 plants. ???
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I ment natural variation within the native range, not variation within seedlings from the same parent. You should try keying in in Yeo or Flora of China (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=113475).
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Am afraid that keying a plant is beyond my capabilities :'(
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Arisaema, the pic labelled as G. rubifolium could possibly be G. rectum, do you know G. rectum?
Hope you get to the bottom of this one Helen :P ;D
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Here's another mystery geranium.
Helen this could be geranium kishtvariense
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Thanks, David, me too.
Davey, Kishtavarienese is supposed to be a smaller version of Rubifolium according to an article I just read.
The pic of the flower certainly looks a lot like mine.
I have some Kishtavariense seedlings, will be interesting to compare them next year.
( of course the seeds might not be what they are supposed to be)
Do you grow either of these?
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Today at a local garden centre I saw a beautiful Geranium wallichianum or hybrid they had planted out. It was covered in palest pink flowers. I enquired what it was. The plantsperson said he didnt know. The manageress came to have a look and whispered to the plantsperson "sell him Splish Splash".
I said "why would I want Splish Splash".
She said Splish Splash opens white and with blue streaks and fades to pale pink.
I said "do you think I'm stupid?"
He said "I'll bring you a Splish Splash"
When he came back I said "the leaves are very different and it's upright"
he said "the leaves change with age and the rain knocked it down"
I give them what for and walked away
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Mark, why didn't you say, just dig up this one for me and I will plant the splish splash in its hole. ;D
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great idea.
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Just found this seedling growing through a gallica.
First year flowers.
Looks like a white oxo. Very happy to have it.
;D
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Helen, very nice one ;)
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Does anyone in the UK know where I can buy G. Orkney Dawn. It's a renardii or same family with yellow leaves and normal flowers
http://geraniaceae.com/cgi-bin/detail.py?id=93 (http://geraniaceae.com/cgi-bin/detail.py?id=93)
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Does anyone in the UK know where I can buy G. Orkney Dawn. It's a renardii or same family with yellow leaves and normal flowers
http://geraniaceae.com/cgi-bin/detail.py?id=93 (http://geraniaceae.com/cgi-bin/detail.py?id=93)
Mark, here's the Plant Finder Entry - 2 nurseries have it
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/rhsplantfinder/pfregions.asp?ID=191135 (http://apps.rhs.org.uk/rhsplantfinder/pfregions.asp?ID=191135)
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Mark,
Rosie's garden plants also has a pink wallichianum.
Do you know it?
Is there a difference with the one at the garden centre?
I grow two pink forms but none is pale pink.
Has anyone rooted cuttings or layers of G.wallichianum?
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Mark,
Rosie's garden plants also has a pink wallichianum.Do you know it?
Is there a difference with the one at the garden centre?
I grow two pink forms but none is pale pink.
Has anyone rooted cuttings or layers of G.wallichianum?
John I have lots of pink wallichianums that are self sown. They range from small to normal large flowers, dark pink, light pink and white eyes. I have one that is almost as good as Rozanne and a Rozanne lookalike.
The garden centre plant is palest pink almost white with a hint of pink.
I've heard that G. wallichianum can be propogated from stem cuttings but I've never tried it.
I found a white seedling in the garden yesterday.
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Mark, I used to have that superb Geranium 'Salome' that came from Washfield Nursery. We used to propagate this from stem cuttings taken early on as the plant came into growth (a bit like you would asters and other late flowering perennials). This worked well but there was never much material!
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I would expect G. Salome to work because one of it's parents is G. procurrens. It roots at it's nodes as it creeps over the ground
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You might think so but I never found that with Salome in the garden and I don't think taking nodal sections of stem works, though i wait to be proved wrong!
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Tim I read wrong and now see you did stem cutting
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I have a Geranium that needs a name. I didnt buy it and I dont know where it came from.
It produces creeping or upward scrambling stems. The leaves are paired along the stems. The flowers come in pairs from the leaf axils giving 4 flowers per pair of leaves.
What is it?
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'Kashmir Pink' maybe? Just a thought....
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No Zephirine it isn't.The petals of Kashmir Pink are much wider,they overlap even.
Mark, when does it flower?
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it flowers now
Kashmir White
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Today while sunning myself I decided to gather a posy of all the Geranium wallichianum seedlings in the garden. It's the same flowers from different angles to show the variety. Blues dominate with pink seedlings very few. Pinks, in my garden, are always dirty pink or dirty pink with a white eye mich like a pink Rozanne
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Beautiful, Mark.
I have some seedlings that need to be planted out.
You've just given me the push I needed.
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Throughout the Cotswolds hedge bottoms and verges were mass of lovely blue Geraniums and of course I didn't have my camera with me. The blue is difficult to describe, more of a lilac/blue than a Man City/Coventry City type blue (that'll baffle the non football fans!) almost fluorescent. Can anyone hazzard a guess at what it might be from my non-botanical description please?
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Throughout the Cotswolds hedge bottoms and verges were mass of lovely blue Geraniums and of course I didn't have my camera with me. The blue is difficult to describe, more of a lilac/blue than a Man City/Coventry City type blue (that'll baffle the non football fans!) almost fluorescent. Can anyone hazzard a guess at what it might be from my non-botanical description please?
meadow cranesbill(Geranium pratense)David,its bar far one of the best sights at the sides of roads etc up here as well.
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Many thanks Dave.
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Geranium argenteum
I need to clear some space around it. I had two grown from seed a few years ago and moved one which died so I should really be looking after this one better.
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Your very lucky Roma to keep this lovely Geranium alive. It needs good light and drainage
Here is a white Geranium wallichianum seedling in my garden
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Very nice Mark!Does it set seeds or is it sterile?
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John this is it's first year. Like all the other wallichianums in the garden I'm sure it will set seeds
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Question regarding G. argenteum.
I have a plant that has flowered for the past 3 years at least but has never set seeds.
Do you need more than one plant for pollination?
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Helen
As you have Yeo's book,have a look at his comments about argenteum's seed production.I also advice you to plant a cinereum next to it .You 'll be rewarded with beautiful X lindavicums and even may be with a new form!
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Thanks John, I suppose I should look at the book more often.
Sounds like a good idea re the cinereum.
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My white wallichianum might be going for micropropping. I showed the photo to a Geranium enthusiast who says he has heard of white flowered plants but I'm the first to show a photo.
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Mark
There is a picture of a white wallichianum on flickr by Geert Lambrecht(with also a white saxatile on the same picture).
Do you see a difference with yours?
Nice if it becomes soon widely available!Hope you'll be successful with the micro propagation.
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John I dont see it
http://www.flickr.com/photos/geertlambrecht/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/geertlambrecht/)
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I do....... http://www.flickr.com/photos/geertlambrecht/page8/
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doh! I do too http://www.flickr.com/photos/geertlambrecht/5761933113/in/photostream/lightbox/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/geertlambrecht/5761933113/in/photostream/lightbox/) and it's whiter than mine
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Wowzers, look what I just found.
The seed was labelled as G. yesoense var nipponicum but after googling I don't think that's what it is.
Hoping someone can ID it for me.
Whatever it is it's a beauty.
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I dont know but I'll look through Yeo for that distinctive leaf
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Wonderful leaves, and wonderful tri-lobed petals too! Congratulations, Helen!
I suggest G. yesoense var. lobatodentatum:
http://wildflowersjp.blog37.fc2.com/blog-entry-33.html
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Good luck, Mark.
Hope you find it.
Thanks Zephirine, was really surprised when I saw the flowers yesterday.
They seemed huge.
I looked at the flower on the link and can see some similarities. Pity they don't show leaves.
Annette thinks it might be G. soboliferum.
A second seedling opened a bud today.
Flower looks a bit ratty, I might have mangled it a bit.
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I thought soboliferum also but the petals are wrong
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Wowzers, look what I just found.
The seed was labelled as G. yesoense var nipponicum but after googling I don't think that's what it is.
Hoping someone can ID it for me.
Whatever it is it's a beauty.
Not the slightest notion what it is but I do like the flower shape and that cut foliage.
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Me too, Maggi!! ;D
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I posted some pics of this geranium back in late June.
The flowers were not opening fully at that time.
Now they are and am hoping that now someone might be able to ID it.
This was grown from seed labelled G. yunnanense.
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For anyone interested in Geraniaceae , check this link.
It's a real treasure trove.
Am wondering if there is a way to purchase seed from Russia?
Oops, almost forgot the link. ::)
http://www.plantarium.ru/page/view/part/11/item/43823.html
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I suspect one of the Russian Forumists may be able to help you with your seed quest, Helen... Hope so!
Just got a note from Jon Evans, who is puzzled by a Geranium in his garden.... doesn't root as it goes, doesn't set seed.... photo here:
http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/discussion/underglass/Flowering+in+September/754/ .... can anyone help?
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Maggi, I'm no expert but the flowers and leaves look very similar to a geranium Lesley posted in July.
I just happened to spend a few hours on the forum yesterday looking at all the geranium posts. ;D
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7529.msg208738#msg208738
What do you think.
Would love to find seeds for this one.
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I see what you mean Helen... but Jon's flowers are more "starry" with longer, narrower petals.... and a much deeper colour I think, though of course that's not definitive of anything much!
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Hmmmmmmm, then maybe G. polyanthes?
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I want Geranium Krylov
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Me too, Mark!!
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Jon's Geranium is, I think, one of the NZ Geraniums or more likely Bertie Crug
His Helianthus looks like what I used to grow - H. atrorubens. If he wants to share it yes please
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Jon's Geranium is, I think, one of the NZ Geraniums or more likely Bertie Crug
His Helianthus looks like what I used to grow - H. atrorubens. If he wants to share it yes please
It couldn't be a Tanya Randall/Rendall :-\ could it?
Or Laurence/Lawrence Pritchard Flatman?? ??? :-\... much the same but with no white eye?
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Lawrence has medium sized flowers
Bertie Crug - http://www.marksgardenplants.com/bertie-crug3.html (http://www.marksgardenplants.com/bertie-crug3.html)http://www.overthegardengate.net/garden/archives/template.asp?linkid=1742 (http://www.overthegardengate.net/garden/archives/template.asp?linkid=1742)
Lawrence Flatman - http://www.marksgardenplants.com/cinereum-lawrence-flatman.html (http://www.marksgardenplants.com/cinereum-lawrence-flatman.html)
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Has someone grown Bertie Crug outside?How many degrees of frost can it take?
On the russian site have you noticed the beautiful white himalayense.Is there somebody who grows it?I grow Derrick Cook but the veins are much more obvious and more blue.
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I tried Bertie twice and lost it twice. I think winter wet kills it as well as frost
I have a white wallichianum which is hopefully going for micropropogation next year
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Maggi
The unknown geranium of Jon is probably one of the antipodeum group(traversii X sessiliflorum)
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Thanks, John :-*
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On the Events thread I mentioned I had obtained a plant of Geranium lasiopus from Blackthorn Nursery at the Autumn South AGS Show. This is only a small plant not in flower but here is a picture of the foliage and I will aim to show it in flower next year. I will also contact Robin White to get more information on it. The foliage is much like argenteum and it could raise the prospect of more interesting hybrids of these small alpine species! I have found them not always so easy to keep but am now growing in deep gritty sand.
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Very attractive foliage, Tim. Thanks for the photo. :)
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Thanks, Tim, am so glad to see a pic, I couldn't find one anywhere.
Can't wait to see it in flower next year.
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Helen - I promised to show a picture of Geranium lasiopus flowering! It's a wee bit feeble (just one flower) but here it is. I wonder if I should lift the plant and try root cuttings in autumn/winter? Allan Robinson, many years ago, was brilliant at propagating these small geraniums and wrote about it (I think) in an HPS publication. I don't find them so easy to grow or propagate.
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Thanks muchly for the pic, Tim.
Hopefully you will get more flowers and maybe even some seed.
I have an argenteum flowering at the moment, I tried hand pollinating a few flowers with a G. nanum.
Also planted a cinereum next to it for seeds.
I think you should try root cuttings later, too bad you can't find the article by Allan Robinson, would certainly come in handy. I don't know the first thing about root cuttings. ???
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Something exciting has appeared in the garden.
This is a self sown seedling and the first flower opened today. Fingers crossed they all open like this and it isnt an abberant flower.
I dont grow Geranium pratense var. striatum which means this is exciting.
It's Geranium wallichianum.
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Crossing fingers for you , Mark.