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Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: Lukas H on March 27, 2011, 07:14:54 PM
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Hi there,
Now my Cypripedium season has started with Cypripedium formosanum. But C. henryi is also not that far away from flowering.
Both are in the conservatory. In the garden there are already several buds visible (japonicum, macranthos, flavum and several Hybrids)
Good growing
Lukas
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good job, Lukas, nice color in the flower.
it seems to me,
that I have seen that cultivar one year ago in my garden ;)
my garden plants are not yet to see...............
cheers
dieter
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Dear Dieter,
I am quite shure you have seen this marvelleous clone already. Very vigorous and adaptable! 8)
Greetings
Lukas
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here Cyp.formosanum is also the first in the alpine house, outside it is waiting for some weeks I think
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today Cyp.farreri opens
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Lukas,
what potting mix do you grow your formosanum in? and is it any differant to the other species you grow?
Do you do anything to the soil out in the garden?
Im wanting to plant some of my macranthos in the garden but I want to get it right.
cheers
Stephen
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today Cyp.farreri opens
nice pic Chris,
but unfortunately this is not "true" C.farreri,
it is a nice C. fasciolatum.
cheers
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thank you to let me now it is C.fasciolatum, I bought it as C.farreri but I read this must be a related species, I'm not an expert but the next one is Cyp debile now in flower in the greenhouse
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hello Chris, farreri is a very rare species,
and I have not yet seen true plants last years from China imports.
(only true pics on chinese sellers sites) ;D
you can see, how it really looks like on Crustacare web site
http://www.crustacare.be/Plants/HomepagePlantsEnglish.html
you will state, that it is fairly different
cheers
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Dear Stephan,
the formosanum is one of those few Cyps which I have potted in a more organic mix. This species grows very fast when once established. Therefore needs some fertilizer. And with a more organic mix (20% humus, 10% garden soil, 70% Perlite) the fertilizer is better kept.
out in the garden I use a different mix which is almost inorganic, so that I can leave the plants untouched for years without any compression of the mix (60% Perlite, 20% Seramis, 10% Garden soil (in my case pH of 8.2), 5% Sand and 5% humus) And with this mix I am successful in Switzerland with watering only when more than 2 weeks were without rain. I cultivate severel Hybrids (Gerhard, John, Gisela, Ingrid, Sabine, Emil, Inge, Piccolo, Ursel,...), Cyp flavum does very well, tibeticum, alaskanum, macranthos, calceolus (does not increase really), henryi, reginae (also a species which increases not that much in this mix), pubescens, kentuckiense (maybe lost due to stem rot), and with more acidic soil japonicum.
But in the end it is always a bit different to all growers. If you once have found a mix in which you are successful even other people say that this would kill your plants. It could do very well in your garden.
Just never forget the sharp drainage!
Hope this helps.
Lukas
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Hi,
I've been going around staking my cypripediums. They had a sudden spurt of growth, which is quite welcome as I have a show on Saturday. Nothing in flower yet, they all grow outside in the open, so take a little longer to flower.
A liberal sprinkling of bird friendly slug pellets was applied also, and not a moment too soon, I collected 64 snails from the surface of the pots. They were just in their starting positions, but I beat them to it. I keep telling everybody to put out slug and snail defences by mid March. But will I ever take my own advice??? ;D ;D
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true farreri on cliff, ca.3020m, July
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amazing photos of farreri in the wild. Thanks .
I do hope that their inaccesibility means that they are still growing in situ!
Regards,
David
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Wonderful picture of C. farreri. Where was it taken - approximately? and I promise not to go there and dig it up. ;) ;)
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lol, yeap, they are in situ home now, cold wet cliff
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Wow, thanks for posting these beautyful orchids in their habitat. Even when the habitat in this case seems really special! :) But when it is growing as inaccessable as this plant, there is a chance of survival.
Keep posting we are all "hungry" to your pictures! :D
Regards
Lukas
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my pleasure you enjoy these unclear pictures... I took them on June-30th,y2010. farreri is grow on moist lime cliff, Lime stone--moss, their roots in moss---same as epiphytic plants.. very hard to near plants because slippery .
In the third picture, you could find some purple spot---Pleione limprichtii
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The first of my Cypripedium to flower this year, it has been out for a week now.
Cypripedium fasciolatum
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I acquired this little fellow last year and the flower didn't open correctly.
I'm pleased to see it rectified the problem.
Cypripedium plectrochilum
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Dear Yijia,
thank you very much I just love farreri. But as it is very hard to get as a seedling, I don't cultivate one. But I have still some years to wait, until there is a chance to get one. But Pleione limprichtii I grow. But seeing them just in one picture is amazing. But if farreri is growing lithophytic together with limprichtii, I know why it is so hard to grow well! To imitate these conditions in the lowlands is close to impossible...
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Dear Fred,
Thanks for the perfect pictures. The plants seem to be well grown. Nice form of fasciolatum with the elongated narrow lip.
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The first of my Cypripedium to flower this year, it has been out for a week now.
Cypripedium fasciolatum
Fred it looks like your on form again this year mate.
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here outside C.formosanum in ful bloom, in the cold greenhouse C.'Gisela'
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my pleasure you enjoy these unclear pictures... I took them on June-30th,y2010. farreri is grow on moist lime cliff, Lime stone--moss, their roots in moss---same as epiphytic plants.. very hard to near plants because slippery .
In the third picture, you could find some purple spot---Pleione limprichtii
yijiawang thank fo the pictures in the wild at what altitude did you find the pleione?
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here my first flowering in the garden C fasciolatum and the cyp equivalent of LAZARUS. This appears to be a shoot of japonicum which was lost 2 years ago. I have had hybrids resurrect but never species. It tells that in future not to disturb plants that have apparently died and to leave well alone
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beautiful C.fasciolatum, Ian; nice to see plants in their habitat Yijia
here two Hybrids from Japan: 1.C.macranthos x C.calceolus; 2.C.macranthos x C.calceolus
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my pleasure you enjoy these unclear pictures... I took them on June-30th,y2010. farreri is grow on moist lime cliff, Lime stone--moss, their roots in moss---same as epiphytic plants.. very hard to near plants because slippery .
In the third picture, you could find some purple spot---Pleione limprichtii
yijiawang thank fo the pictures in the wild at what altitude did you find the pleione?
Hello Ian
Thank you for asking me this question, I doubt this species too, because altitude, and lip.
Because here is Cypripedium item, so I show the pictures of this Pleione in
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6445.msg197016#msg197016
edit by maggi to give exact link to post
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Dear Yijia,
thank you very much I just love farreri. But as it is very hard to get as a seedling, I don't cultivate one. But I have still some years to wait, until there is a chance to get one. But Pleione limprichtii I grow. But seeing them just in one picture is amazing. But if farreri is growing lithophytic together with limprichtii, I know why it is so hard to grow well! To imitate these conditions in the lowlands is close to impossible...
Hello Lukas,
My pleasure! A friend of mine who live in Kunming, China. He grow 2 plants of farreri, and they seem like not very hard to grow in artificial conditions-----City is much warmer than situ, average temperature higher 10C than it. Just need offer better draining compost. He use pure pumice, pot stand in a shallow tray with 2cm deep water, usually watering the plants in growing season. I saw the new noses and roots grow fairly nice!.
I think your country temperature is similar to Kunming's, and more humidity---more like situ.
Those limprichtii....en, need confirm again, because strange altitude and lip.
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With this species I have heard, from a friend of mine who lives not far from where I come from, that he grew a batch of 50 seedlings. Only one reached maturity...!
Here are some pictures of easier to grow Cypripedium.
Cypripedium japonicum is the first Cyp which is flowering in the garden. But I had three plants and lost one in winter. But the remeining two have 9 Stems and 2 flowers. But last year I had 11 Shoots with 7 Flowers... Hope the remaining use the free space now. But as I saw by Ian, there is still hope and I should not dig in the site...
Gabriela I grew out of flask to flowering size. And the flower is really huge! I am going to look foreward to the next seaseon with hopefully more flowers! :-)
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hi there,
the pot grown plants are finally doing their thing.
I've definitely lost a few flowers from the extreme cold in December. The shoots have grown OK but there are very small aborted buds at the base of a few. Macranthos hotei and tibeticum aborted buds as did a few hybrids. Sometimes it was only some of the shoots of a particular plant.
As shoot growth seems to be fine, I'm assuming that the roots were unaffected.
First up are a couple of new clones of macranthos. Both are from crosses between specific pale coloured clones.
The first photo is from a mac. pink x semi alba.Nice but I prefer the second one.
This semi alba x semi alba produced just 25% semi alba seedlings - a nice 3:1 ratio - must be a single gene that caused this pale flower.
Next up is a lovely clone of Aki light( macranthos x pubescens). I received this in a trade for another plant. Thanks Maren!
It is almost a pure yellow with just a bit of red veining on the dorsal. An unusual colour- I don't have another plant with this colour.
Lastly we have Sabine pastel - fasciolatum x macranthos, but another pale clone. The petals are ivory and the lip almost pure white.
This looks to be a promising grex which has large, striking flowers and grows quickly,
Regards,
David
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Lovely pictures, Sabine Pastel looks exquisite! It will be interesting to see how C. tibeticum and others have done here, we had an unusually cold winter with no snow cover and temperatures dropping down to -20 several nights in a row. It probably helps that they are planted in the ground, but I didn't cover them last fall like I have in previous years :-\
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A (very) small one from me: C. plectrochilon today.
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my C.plectrochilon wont flower this year, so I like to yours Alex, here in flower C.parviflorum forma pubescense
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Beautiful flower and picture, Chris, thanks.
Alex
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My first Cypripedium of the year
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm24/2111aldo/P2200669.jpg)
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Here is my first Cyp this year.
Cyp. parviflorum
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Hi,
a few more flowering today.
First up is a new hybrid 'Bill' -pubescens x tibeticum. A nice large red flower in an average sized stem. It should improve as this is a first flowering seedling.
Next is one bought as Pluto (fasciolatum x franchetti) but is probably Sunny ( calceolus x fasciolatum). I nearly got rid of this one when it flowered a couple of years ago but cyps can improve dramatically as they mature and this certainly has.
Finally a group shot of the mature plants on the north side of the greenhouse,
Regards,
David
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My first Cypripedium of the year
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm24/2111aldo/P2200669.jpg)
Hello Aldo, a warm welcome to the Forum!
Your C. fasciolatum x candidum is a beauty... and a super photo, too, thank you!
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My first of the year - Cypripedium plectrochylon.
Unfortunately C. guttatum doesn't look as though its going to surface this year. Had an inspection and there is a very small shoot quite low in the compost. Hope it survives.
And I can't find C. fasciculatum. I am really dissapointed.
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here with the warm weather it is every day something else in flower, yesterday C.'Sabine', today C.macranthos and C.macranthos alba
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Just a few early morning pictures:
Cyp. Inge, but not so sure about the name, the label was missing and there was one C. Inge adjacent which looked fairly similar. I'd be inclined to say that this is C. pubescens v parviflorum. Any suggestions?
Also, Cyp. Michael, beginning to bulk up nicely.
Finally Cyp. ventricosum x fasciculatum, a hybrid made, I believe, by Jan Moors of Crustacare. I think this is quite divine, he does make some lovely hybrids.
Correction (after confirmation from Michael Weinert, who supplied the plant) Cyp Ventricosum Pastel
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hey,
the "fasciolatum X ventricosum" hybrid (Hideki Okuyama)
was made by famous W. Frosch and looks like this .........
http://www.w-frosch.de/Cypris/Hybriden/hybrid_d.htm
so I have some doubts, but its nice though...........
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hey,
the "fasciolatum X ventricosum" hybrid (Hideki Okuyama)
was made by famous W. Frosch and looks like this .........
http://www.w-frosch.de/Cypris/Hybriden/hybrid_d.htm
so I have some doubts, but its nice though...........
Dieter, I think Maren's plant has the opposite parentage......Cyp. ventricosum x fasciculatum :)
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Dieter, I think Maren's plant has the opposite parentage......Cyp. ventricosum x fasciculatum :)
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Maggi,
it does not matter which the pod and the pollen plant is,
the hybrids have the same name
and all look "the same within a range"
thats what I learned from RHS
and from two of the most famous Cyp breeders in the world. :)
BTW fasciculation is a different species,
and there are no hybrids registered so far...........
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it does not matter which the pod and the pollen plant is,
the hybrids have the same name
and all look "the same within a range"
thats what I learned from RHS
and from two of the most famous Cyp breeders in the world. :)
BTW fasciculation is a different species,
and there are no hybrids registered so far...........
Thanks, Dieter, useful information.
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Yes, very interesting. Fasciculatum (not fasciculation) is indeed different from fasciolatum, a common source of confusion.
Not all breeders register their hybrids, that would explain it.
I'll ask him when I see him in the summer. It's nice to have correct names for one's plants. Not that I am going to sell this one, I like it too much. :) :) :)
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Hello Aldo, a warm welcome to the Forum!
Your C. fasciolatum x candidum is a beauty... and a super photo, too, thank you!
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Thanks, Maggi.
I bought the plant in London, at the Orchid Show.
Aldo
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Hi,
the plot thickens! I have a very vigorous plant bought originally as a seedling as the cross Hideki Okuyama.
I wasn't too keen on the flower when the first one opened two years ago but the plant has proved to be such a quick grower that I've decided to keep it. This is the third year of flowering and it is up to nine flowers.
The plant came from a well known breeder in the north west of England.
However when it flowered it didn't seem correct.
It bears an uncanny resemblance to your plant Maren!
I haven't been able to come up with a true parentage but it seems to definitely have fasciolatum blood in it. Any guesses as to the other?
Maren - about the ?parviflorum plant- is the flower tiny? Mine has such small flowers that it couldn't be mistaken for anything else.
Regards,
David
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Some Cyps which have flowered today.
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hey Lukas,
very interesting to see well grown palangshanense :)
it seems to be much warmer in your area
than here in Berlin.
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Here's my first ever Cyp in bloom: Cypripedium Paul, supposedly. I say supposedly because it doesn't look like what I expected, lacking the wine red markings on the petals and lip. I also bought Cypripedium Sabine Pastel from Edrom at the same time and wonder if the labels got mixed up:
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Hi Tony,
looks like Sabine Pastell to me. :)
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Some of mine in flower, the first an unamed one which I think is
Cypripedium flavum
then one I think is
Cypripedium macranthum
then
Cypripedium formosanum
Cypripedium parviflorum
Cypripedium 'Michael'
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Hi Tony,
looks like Sabine Pastell to me. :)
Thanks, Maren. In that case, it was Cyp. Paul which got nobbled by the frost earlier with nothing now showing above ground. I'll keep it, just in case.
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Some of my cyps in flower, accompanied by the usual questions.
1. Emil
2. flavum
3. fasciolatum
4. Another form of fasciolatum which is simply huge!
5. palangshanenese. First time flowerer for me. Does the dorsal ever stand up? In this position it's difficult to photograph.
These five were photographed in the little shade house which I built, but for the last I've gone to town.
6 macranthos
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really nice true macranthos :)
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Lovely orchids well grown. I like that form of 'Emil' Steve. So different from the one I had. Heigh ho. :-\
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Maren - about the ?parviflorum plant- is the flower tiny? Mine has such small flowers that it couldn't be mistaken for anything else.
Regards, David
Hi David,
I measured it:
across shoulder to shoulder: 15 cm
top of dorsal sepal to bottom of pouch: 8cm.
Any wiser???? ;)
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tibeticum
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/9499/tibetifroschiik.jpg) (http://img51.imageshack.us/i/tibetifroschiik.jpg/)
(http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/2418/tibeti001k.jpg) (http://img218.imageshack.us/i/tibeti001k.jpg/)
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6117/tibeti002k.jpg) (http://img13.imageshack.us/i/tibeti002k.jpg/)
(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5635/tibeti003k.jpg) (http://img62.imageshack.us/i/tibeti003k.jpg/)
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macranthos
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8601/macranthos.jpg) (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/macranthos.jpg/)
Sabine
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9075/sabineo.jpg) (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/sabineo.jpg/)
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fantastic........great shots, please more
cheers
chris
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Cypripedium macranthos hotei atsumorianum
(http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/5256/hotei001kt.jpg) (http://img812.imageshack.us/i/hotei001kt.jpg/)
(http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/7150/hotei002kt.jpg) (http://img816.imageshack.us/i/hotei002kt.jpg/)
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hello, cypr. hybride....and the natural hybrid x andrewsii...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/yasy006.jpg?t=1303671168)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/yasy004.jpg?t=1303671184)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/yasy007.jpg?t=1303671203)
cheers
chris
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Lovely :) :) :)
Here is a shy little friend, C. guttatum, the last one to flower this year.
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Maren, Love that one 8)
Angie :)
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Thank you Angie, me too, it always reminds me of kid's pyjamas. ;D ;D ;D
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Lovely :) :) :)
Here is a shy little friend, C. guttatum, the last one to flower this year.
The last one to flower? I don't think I had any cyps flowering before the end of April?
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Anthony,
I stand corrected: the last of the C. guttatum to flower this year. It has been an astonishing season, the cypripediums popped out of the ground in a rush due to this early summer. It's been very warm (>26 Celsius) in Marlow.
Over now are:
C. formosanum
C. guttatum
In flower:
C. flavum f album
C. x ventricosum
All the Frosch hybrids
To come (between 3 and 10cm out of the ground)
C. californicum
C. flavum
C. kentuckiense
C. plectrochilum
C. reginae
C. Ulla Silkens
and a few more complicated crosses whose names are too long to remember.
I usually have C. kentuckiense and reginae on display at the Peterborough Show in June!!!, but I don't think there's any holding them back now. Hmmm.
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Fantastic Maren. I look forward to seeing the pics. I was never successful with flavum or calfornicum.
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Hi Anthony,
the Cyp flavum v album came into flower very quickly and when I last looked a few days ago, it had already been chewed by a slug or snail. A tad disappointing considering that I'd only just paid £40 for it and the place where I put it had slug pellets all round. The slug/snail must have been in the compost. :-X :'(
Any way, for the benefit of science, here is the picture, blemishes and all. The colour is white all right, but the flower still has the characteristic purple spotting inside the pouch (which we would not have seen had the pouch been undamaged. ;) ;) ;)). Always look on the bright side...
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macranthos var. Baikal and flavum
(http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/9306/flavum001kt.jpg) (http://img832.imageshack.us/i/flavum001kt.jpg/)
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Nice macranthos, please show the flavum when they are open. They look very promising.
I made a correction to an earlier entry on page 3. The plant in question was Cyp Ventricosum Pastel and it came from the Frosch/Weinert stable.
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Hello everybody,
I don't know why, but here in Switzerland, flavum is a species which grows very well in the open garden with a protection against wetness in winter. I grow severel plants of which the oldest one has this year 12 shoots. But only one flower! :-( I bought it 6 years ago as a two nosed plant. The alba plants I have planted 2 years ago as more or less mature seedlings and they are both 2 nosed with even one flower. In the picture I show a plant which I have grown from a batch of seedlings in 4 years to flowering size. So I can be quite happy as I love Cyp flavum and that this species grows that well in my garden! :-)
Cheers
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Here is a picture of the open palangshanense. There are three plants in the pot. the biggest has no flower but 3 shoots.
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Here are my first two Cypripediums.
Cyp Sabine
Cyp x ventricosum
Angie :)
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Brilliant! I can see why you're smiling! ;D
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Hi Anthony
I couldn't go wrong could I ;D I got healthy, hardy plants from a good grower ;D ;D ;)
Angie :).
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Hi,
Maren - I would be careful about labelling your venticosum pastel as such. The 'teeth' on the entrance to the lip are raised and quite prominent and that usually means a fasciolatum cross.
My feeling is that this plant is from the same cross as the one I posted earlier.
If I were a betting man then my guess would be fasciolatum x ventricosum ( called Hideki Okuyama) but made with a pale/alba ventricosum.
On the other subject of your possible parviflorum - see the enclosed photos of mine. I think this one is the 'makasin' form. The whole plant and flowers are very slender and graceful.
The next couple of photos shows the very dark hybrid Pixi (calceolus x tibeticum). This one is much more tibeticum in height than calceolus and increases very quickly.
Lastly there is a general view of mostly hybrids flowering on the north side of the greenhouse,
Regards,
David
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Aki
(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3364/aki0006kt.jpg) (http://img98.imageshack.us/i/aki0006kt.jpg/)
(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/7851/aki0003kt.jpg) (http://img713.imageshack.us/i/aki0003kt.jpg/)
(http://img852.imageshack.us/img852/5827/aki0005kt.jpg) (http://img852.imageshack.us/i/aki0005kt.jpg/)
japonicum
(http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/5302/japoni001kt.jpg) (http://img716.imageshack.us/i/japoni001kt.jpg/)
flavum
(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7969/flavum0003kt.jpg) (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/flavum0003kt.jpg/)
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David,
your hybrids show much vigour and very floriforus. Really like that tibeticum hybrid.
cheers
Stephen
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I like that one too. 8)
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Me too. May I ask where you got it from? :)
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Very nice 8)
Angie :)
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Hi there,
Thanks for the comments on 'Pixi'.
My records show it was bought as an unflowered seedling in the winter of 2006/7 from Peter Corkhill.
The photo shows the flower as a bit more red than it really is, courtesy of the camera.
There is definitely a more pronounced 'chocolate' colour to it in real life,
David
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Some pics of today, enjoy :-)
x alaskanum
flavum
flavum albinotic
John (parviflorum x yunnanense)
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Today, I had these Cypripedium calceolus is flower.
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Very pale slipper?
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Hello Lukas,
love your x alaskanum, very pretty and also very rare.
A question please. I notice that you have covered the soil surface with wire mesh. Is this to deter thieves?
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Dear Maren,
very well noticed, this is against the cats that love to make their nocturnal activitys in my Cypripedium bed!
With this protection they can not dig any wholes.
Greetings
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Cyp Reginae
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Michael,
nice cyp but it looks more like Ulla Silkens ( reginae x flavum) than the straight spcies,
Regards,
David
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Thanks David, I wouldn't know one end of a Cyp from another, but I like them all. :)
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The recurved tepals gives it away.
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The first flower of Cypr. Gisela
The leaves of Gisela were heavily damaged by caterpillars, but the buds
wer happily left uninjured.
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My Cypripedium parviflorum in flower at the moment.
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Hi there,
a few of red hybrids flowering today.
First up is a large very dark Philipp ( kentuckiense x macranthos). It came as a small seedling from Jan Moors at Crustacare five years ago and this is the first time it has flowered.
The cross was made with their macranthos clone 'red russian'. It is darker than a sister seedling from the same cross.
Next up is a mis labelled plant that I think is probably Philipp. The plant is extremely sturdy and two of the three stems bear two large flowers. It may be polyploid.
Lastly there is Lucy Pinkepank( kentuckiense x tibeticum). As you'd expect from the parentage, the flower is very similar to Philipp - maybe a bit more graceful with not such a broad lip,
Regards,
David
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I love the twisted tepals of the parviflorum. Is it scented? I believe it is the var. 'Makasin' that is sweetly scented.
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Dear David,
According to the pictures I would say the dark Philip is a Lucy Pinkepank (looks quiet the same as mine) and the two pictures beneath I think are Philip according to the sice, shape and coloration.
Greetings
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I love the twisted tepals of the parviflorum. Is it scented? I believe it is the var. 'Makasin' that is sweetly scented.
Not that I can detect.
Cypripedium plectrochilum in flower now
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Hello Tony,
you lucky (or skillful) man!!! All my Cyp plectrochilum snuffed it last winter. All the others in the same box are thriving. I don't understand it.
How do you grow yours?
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Maren I could say pure skill but looking at the box of dead labels after this winter lets say luck!
I am growing it in pure cat litter in a 10cm pot plunged in sand under the bench. It probably got to -3c last winter in there. I keep it wet and feed on odd occasions. i have a second one but that is not going to flower but is growing well at the moment.
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Tony lovely Cyp, plectrochilium. How tall is it.
Angie :)
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About 15cms
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flavum in the sunbeam
(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/3210/flavum004k.jpg) (http://img198.imageshack.us/i/flavum004k.jpg/)
tibeticum in the sunbeam
(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1664/tibeti0007kt.jpg) (http://img98.imageshack.us/i/tibeti0007kt.jpg/)
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Several of my Cyps flowering now:
1. x andrewsii
2. x columbianum
3. Ingrid
4. and 5. two different colour forms of Sebastian.
Enjoy.
Cheers,
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Lovely clean plants and nice pictures, John.
Here is a view from an untidy patch of my garden. Note the size of the C. kentuckiense x tibeticum compared to the other cyps.
Right to left:
C. kentuckiense x tibeticum
C. Ulla Silkens
C. Emil
and some more brown and yellow jobs, probably C. parviflorum v pubescens, it was too dark to read the labels.
Most of my cypripediums have gone over, the hot spell did for them. We had a week of 25 degrees C, followed by a week of 15 C, and now it's heating up again. No chance.
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.....Lovely clean plants and nice pictures, John.
Here is a view from an untidy patch of my garden.....
Thank you Maren and don't we all have such an untidy spot in our garden like your's. At least you have these flowering gems brightening up the spot. Unfortunately I don't.... :)
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John some real beauties there. I really like your Cyp,Sebastian. Some of mine still have their faces hidden. I get real excited just watching them unfold. My husband thinks I am a bit sad, he just doesn't understand ::) ;D
Maren I have plenty bits in my garden that need tidying up. I start with things tidy but as the season goes on I start running out of space , don't think I will ever have enough Cypripedium to worry about space for them and when it comes to dividing them I will be worried, will just have to get Anthony back to Scotland to do it for me. I wonder when he will come back for a holiday ;D
Angie :)
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Cyp Lothar Pinkepank, I hope :)
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Michael very nice.
Two mine today a small
Cypripedium tibeticum and
Cypripedium Ulla Silkens
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John some real beauties there. I really like your Cyp,Sebastian. Some of mine still have their faces hidden. I get real excited just watching them unfold. My husband thinks I am a bit sad, he just doesn't understand ::) ;D
Angie :)
Angie,
Luckily my wife has got a little bit more understanding but she somtetimes shakes her head when she sees me lying down in the garden in all kinds of difficult positions to get a good photo shot of a flower ::). A few cramps are worth the effort though ;D.
Here is a photo of an unfolding Rascal and two more shoots of x andrewsii and Sebastian.
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What's the difference in size between x andrewsii and "Sebastian" John?
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They are much of the same size Anthony. The pouches are about 2 to 2,5 centimeters. I also have smaller flowering x andrewsii, but these are young 1st time flowering plants.
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John those are lovely pictures. Worth getting cramp. I like those twisted bits, better call them by their right name, tepals ( had to look up a old posting by Anthony forgot what they were called ) ::)
I am so enjoying mine. I have my Cypripediums in pots I don't think I would like to chance them in the garden. I can see me getting Cyps for birthdays and Christmas presents :D
Angie :)
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Angie,
My Sebastian Cyps are apparently very happy in the garden. I remember Svante Malmgren mentioning once that Sebastian could be a bit more vigorous, but that is not my experience. It is doing very well in my garden. I have not a single Cyp in a pot except for acaule. I love seeing them growing with ferns, hostas and stuff 8). Don't be bashful. Just give it a try if you have more than one :).
Cheers,
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Angie,
My Sebastian Cyps are apparently very happy in the garden. I remember Svante Malmgren mentioning once that Sebastian could be a bit more vigorous, but that is not my experience. It is doing very well in my garden. I have not a single Cyp in a pot except for acaule. I love seeing them growing with ferns, hostas and stuff 8). Don't be bashful. Just give it a try if you have more than one :).
Cheers,
John,
in which soil mix do you grow Cypripedium acaule. I've always wondered if I could grow it outside in an artificial swamp together with Sarracenia, Pinguicula, Drosera and some other orchids. But since it's not very easy to find and grow (I've heard) I'm in doubt if I should buy it.
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Hi John
I see that you live in the Netherlands and have nice sandy soil. I have hardly any soil a want is under that is broken rock. But after saying this I could look for a bit in the garden and get my rock breaker in ( that would be my husband ) and make a nice bit for them to grow in, but l could try one and see how it goes. :)
Angie :)
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John,
in which soil mix do you grow Cypripedium acaule. I've always wondered if I could grow it outside in an artificial swamp together with Sarracenia, Pinguicula, Drosera and some other orchids. But since it's not very easy to find and grow (I've heard) I'm in doubt if I should buy it.
Hello Wim,
I have suffered losses and they are not the cheapest ones to buy. The key is to keep the growing medium very acid (below PH 4.5). I now have my acaule in a 50/50 peat/sand mix. The peat is actually dead Spaghnum peat moss, which I can buy in these large bails in garden centres. To keep the acidity low I water the acaules with demineralised water with apple cider vinegar added to it (one tablespoon per 2 litres). The PH is 3.5 in my pots. If the PH rises above 4.5 than pathogens will get stronger and attack the root system eventually killing the plant.
I have read reports of acaule thriving in artificial swamps/bogs with live Spaghnum peat as a medium. Live Spagnhum peat keeps the acidity low too so it figures. I will try this method next year if I have a well established artificial bog with live Spagnhum peat.
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Hi John
I see that you live in the Netherlands and have nice sandy soil. I have hardly any soil a want is under that is broken rock. But after saying this I could look for a bit in the garden and get my rock breaker in ( that would be my husband ) and make a nice bit for them to grow in, but l could try one and see how it goes. :)
Angie :)
Hi Angie, Do not forget to open up the soil. Although I have sandy soil, I prepare my planting spots for my Cyps with a certain mix to open it up. I dig a hole with a diameter of about 25 centimeters and about 20 centimers deep. Don't tell your husband that he has to dig that deep before he has started :-X ;D ;D. In the first 5 centimeters I put a layer of bark for drainage and the rest is a mix of my garden soil, perlite, seramis and coconut coir (the latter is becoming more and more popular as a potting medium here in the Netherlands). But if you have garden soil with a very crumbly structure than that would be fine too. After planting I top it all with a layer of mulch.
Good luck.
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Cypripedium formosanum today
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John, thanks for advice on planting Cyps outside. I will give it a try. I was looking today, after the rain finally stopped and I think I have a good spot allready, its at the back of my pond and the soil has been made up so its got a good depth there. It also has a bit of shade and is sheltered from the wind. So I think I will give it a go.
I had a gardening friend visit today and I showed her my Cyps, she loved them. My husband said looking over my shoulder I cant see why anyone would get excited about them, they look weird to me. Some folks just don't get it ::) :-X
Just had a look at Grahams Cyp formosanum and he is growing a huge clump outside, Well Done Graham.
Angie :)
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Just back today from the SAVOIE to see C. calceolus, which was early this year ( at least 3 weeks ) and will be full bloom in the next 5 days.
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Must be a magical place Fred?
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Hi,
John - sorry to be the bearer of bad news for a second time but your photo of 'Rascal' doesn't look right.
It is more likely to be 'Gisela' or 'Maria'.
Rascal has a bright yellow lip and very long and twisting brown sepals,
Regards,
David
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tibeticum
(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/418/tibetikumn4kt.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/690/tibetikumn4kt.jpg/)
Rascal
(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2007/rascal002kt.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/27/rascal002kt.jpg/)
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:'( :'( :'( bug****
I can't believe it and I don't know what to write. Perhaps the pictures will tell their own story.
What do you think has vandalised this. >:( >:( >:(
This is my second attempt with this species and I can't take credit for getting it flowering as I bought it in January as flowering size but I think it is doing well and I think I have got things right this time until this!!
Cypripedium lichiangense
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fasciolatum
](http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/2757/fasc0000kt.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/641/fasc0000kt.jpg/)
(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/4481/fasc00011kt.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/641/fasc00011kt.jpg/)
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Graham,
that is heartbreaking. It looks like slug, snail or caterpillar. What a pity. But the plant looks in good shape. If you can protect it next spring you should have a terrific display.
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Graham,
that is heartbreaking. It looks like slug, snail or caterpillar. What a pity. But the plant looks in good shape. If you can protect it next spring you should have a terrific display.
Thanks Maren. I posted this in the Moan Moan Moan thread as well and the concencus seems to be slug or snail.
If I can stop any further damage then there should be no lasting damage and there is always next year!
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Graham,
that is heartbreaking. It looks like slug, snail or caterpillar. What a pity. But the plant looks in good shape. If you can protect it next spring you should have a terrific display.
Thanks Maren. I posted this in the Moan Moan Moan thread as well and the concencus seems to be slug or snail.
If I can stop any further damage then there should be no lasting damage and there is always next year!
Graham it's so annoying when you have waited a whole year to see it flower then something comes along and has it's dinner. I have never used slug killer but since I have my Cyps in the cold frame so I used it there, but slugs still managed to nibble bits. I cant tell you the amount of times I said oh well there is always next year.
So many thing get damaged . Today it's blowing a gale up here on top of the hill. Poor plants, half will be blown away.
Look after your cyp, it's so sweet.
Angie :)
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Graham,
that is heartbreaking. It looks like slug, snail or caterpillar. What a pity. But the plant looks in good shape. If you can protect it next spring you should have a terrific display.
Thanks Maren. I posted this in the Moan Moan Moan thread as well and the concencus seems to be slug or snail.
If I can stop any further damage then there should be no lasting damage and there is always next year!
Graham it's so annoying when you have waited a whole year to see it flower then something comes along and has it's dinner. I have never used slug killer but since I have my Cyps in the cold frame so I used it there, but slugs still managed to nibble bits. I cant tell you the amount of times I said oh well there is always next year.
So many thing get damaged . Today it's blowing a gale up here on top of the hill. Poor plants, half will be blown away.
Look after your cyp, it's so sweet.
Angie :)
Hi Angie,
I've never had slug or snail damage to a cypripedium before so I suppose I wan't expecting this. Pellets distributed at lunch time though.
Quite windy here too but the sun is shining.
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Graham,
I always put slug pellets around my Cyps (and make sure that other wildlife cannot get at the corpses)
Already had two dead snails in the fishbox with Cyp seedlings this year.
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Should I remove the flowers from my Cypripediums, I don't suppose I would get seed, sorry if this sounds a daft question.
Angie :)
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Like Graham, I never had slugs attack my cyps, and my garden had plenty slugs. Too many other delicacies in the garden?
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Smithii
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5598/noname1kz.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/7/noname1kz.jpg/)
Ulla Silkens
(http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/1895/reginaen1kt.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/848/reginaen1kt.jpg/)
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C. debile
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm24/2111aldo/P3210707.jpg)
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Should I remove the flowers from my Cypripediums, I don't suppose I would get seed, sorry if this sounds a daft question.
Angie :)
Good question, Angie... not that I know the answer........ :-\
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Dear Hakone,
Your fasciolatum does not look like a fasciolatum. It looks more like a Cypripedium Gabriela (fasciolatum x kentuckiense)
And your Cyp. smithii does rather look like a Cypripedium tibeticum var. froschii.
But thanks to the pictures you post here. You must have a grat collection!
Cheers
Lukas
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Should I remove the flowers from my Cypripediums, I don't suppose I would get seed, sorry if this sounds a daft question.
Angie :)
Good question, Angie... not that I know the answer........ :-\
Hi Angie,
I always remove the spent flowers just because I like a tidy looking plant. Not much point in letting them set seed as its unlikely to germinate naturally anyway.
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Should I remove the flowers from my Cypripediums, I don't suppose I would get seed, sorry if this sounds a daft question.
I leave the flowers on Angie, it doesn't seem to do them any harm. The only seedpods I get are in a large pot that contains two clones of Cyp formosanum - of course actually being able to do anything useful with the seed is another matter. I keep hoping to get sterile jars of culture medium set up in time to sow the seed on, but it never happens and the seedpods split so that's another year gone by without experimenting with seed growing in sterile conditions. I keep looking for stray seedlings in the garden; nothing yet, but I live in hope. :D
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Thanks, I thought if I left the flower on it might keep the cyp growing for longer and make it a stronger plant.
I usually only cut my flowers of the plant if its something I don't want to seed around, wish these would seed all over my garden :D
Anthony this is one of yours can you give me the name, three of your plants have had their labels removed, cant blame the blackbirds. It was my great neice, she thought she would collect the labels for me. At least she didnt stick them in another pot.
Angie :)
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Dear Hakone,
Your fasciolatum does not look like a fasciolatum. It looks more like a Cypripedium Gabriela (fasciolatum x kentuckiense)
And your Cyp. smithii does rather look like a Cypripedium tibeticum var. froschii.
But thanks to the pictures you post here. You must have a grat collection!
Cheers
Lukas
Dear Lukas,
thanks you very much , your comments , but I think, that is not froschii and not Gabriela
see staminodium froschii
http://www.w-frosch.de/Cypris/Arten/frosc.htm
and my
(http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/2252/staminodium01kt.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/staminodium01kt.jpg/)
(http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/8655/staminodium03kt.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/863/staminodium03kt.jpg/)
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/686/h1kt.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/10/h1kt.jpg/)
cypripedium Gabriela : Petale are green
http://www.gardensatposthill.com/website/GPHImages/Cyp%20Gabriela%20A.jpg
Cheers
hakone
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Angie, that one is 'Karl Heinz', which is a cross between cordigerum and calceolus. You've done really well with these. 8) (http://www.cypripedium.de/forum/messages/2782.html)
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Thanks Anthony, much appreciated. I can return it's label now. Really enjoying them. :D
Angie :)
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You know Angie, seeing these plants doing so well has given me a great lift. 8) I've not heard how others have fared with them.
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:'( :'( :'( bug****
I can't believe it and I don't know what to write. Perhaps the pictures will tell their own story.
What do you think has vandalised this. >:( >:( >:(
This is my second attempt with this species and I can't take credit for getting it flowering as I bought it in January as flowering size but I think it is doing well and I think I have got things right this time until this!!
Cypripedium lichiangense
I said already that I though snail damage was the problem for you, Graham... and I just found this example on a Hellebore leaf...... you can see that the wee snail is munching a perfect hole in the centre of the leaf, just like the damage on your cyp.
Click on the pictures to enlarge them....
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I'm AJ and I'm 11 years old. I took over my sisters job (coz she got a real one - or so she said!) Mum and dad pay me to collect snails for their "scaleys". (Bearded Dragons, Blue tongue lizards and turtles).
To make some extra money, mum has said I can list them here and she will pay postage to help me out. So, you can buy 20 snails of various sizes for $12 and my mum will pay the postage (that's a saving of $2.60!!!) There's always a few slimeys more thrown in for you :)
Mum and dad coat their vegetable matter in gutload for 24 hours prior to feeding to the Scaleys.
These are really healthy snails, we don't use any pesitcides in our gardens.
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Maggi I hope you stood on it. ;D ;D or did it become another road kill. or maybe we will see them on eBay.
Anthony we couldn't fail, these Cyps were grown on by an expert ;D ;D all we are keeping them going.
I do hope you will start growing them over there. It's great to see you starting with new plants. In a year or two when you are more settled we will all be delighted to see the pictures of your new garden.
Thanks again for giving me these Cyps :D
Angie :)
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Anthony I forgot to say in my last post that your Cypripedium had three flowers heads on the one stem. I wondered if this was unusual so glad to read that you had asked that question.
Pity the Aberdeen show wasn't this weekend. I might have stood a chance with your Cyp. ;D
Angie :)
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Dear Hakone,
Your fasciolatum does not look like a fasciolatum. It looks more like a Cypripedium Gabriela (fasciolatum x kentuckiense)
And your Cyp. smithii does rather look like a Cypripedium tibeticum var. froschii.
But thanks to the pictures you post here. You must have a grat collection!
Cheers
Lukas
Dear Lukas,
thanks you very much , your comments , but I think, that is not froschii and not Gabriela
see staminodium froschii
http://www.w-frosch.de/Cypris/Arten/frosc.htm
and my
cypripedium Gabriela : Petale are green
http://www.gardensatposthill.com/website/GPHImages/Cyp%20Gabriela%20A.jpg
Cheers
hakone
Dear Hakone
I have to agree with Lucas about your Cyp fasciolatum, it does look more like the hybrid mentioned. Pictures attached of my Cyp fasciolatum last year.
Regards
David
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Dear David,
thanks you very much , you and Lucas are right.
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my first Cypripedium reginae
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Nice flower also, Bulbi ;D
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Merci BlueFlower ;D
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:'( :'( :'( bug****
I can't believe it and I don't know what to write. Perhaps the pictures will tell their own story.
What do you think has vandalised this. >:( >:( >:(
This is my second attempt with this species and I can't take credit for getting it flowering as I bought it in January as flowering size but I think it is doing well and I think I have got things right this time until this!!
Cypripedium lichiangense
I said already that I though snail damage was the problem for you, Graham... and I just found this example on a Hellebore leaf...... you can see that the wee snail is munching a perfect hole in the centre of the leaf, just like the damage on your cyp.
Click on the pictures to enlarge them....
Just the same Maggi. Slug pellets are deposited but no signs of the little devil. Perhaps he made his way to Aberdeen. Would have had turbo speed with the quality of food he got from me.
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Went to see the cypripediums which are being re-established in the wild near Arnside today. They were at their best.
Cypripedium calceolus
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That's amazing Tony. Are they guarded? Wasn't the plant at Arnside (which has a dubious history) pulled out by some vandal a few years ago?
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Wonderfull Tony !
I also hope they are in a safe place, superb clumps in excellent condition.
Are they also earlier this year than usual ?
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In photo two the Cyp seems to be growing out of a pipe. Is this some sort of protection against theft or Grahams snails?
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That's amazing Tony. Are they guarded? Wasn't the plant at Arnside (which has a dubious history) pulled out by some vandal a few years ago?
These particular one have been planted on a nature reserve over a number of years. They are not near the vandalised plant which was in another area and is in fact not thought to be a native but an introduction from the continent. They are not guarded and actually there is a directed walk to see them which is risky but I understand there are others planted more discretely. We went today because they are about two weeks earlier than last year and in fact one clump had gone over.
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A far cry from when the one remaining plant in Yorkshire was guarded and protected by having its flowers removed every year by the locals, until Kew decided to do something about it. Arnside Knott is a special place. I've only been there in August to see Scotch Argus (Erebia aethiops) butterflies. I think it's one of only two places in England that it is still found?
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Lovely to see the Cyp. calceolus being re-established. I have watched this project for a long time, it has been a struggle and it is wonderful to see some encouraging results. :)
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I second that. It was seeing it in the Brooke Bond picture cards (Wild Flowers series 3) that got me hooked on orchids. My grandmother, who died in 1971, pressed wild flowers. I still have her collection.
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A couple of portraits of plants currently in flower:
Cypripedium calceolus
Cypripedium Philipp
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Peter very nice pictures of your Cypripediums 8)
Angie :)
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Here's a link to last years Bavarian Garden Show in Rosenheim: http://cypripedium.de/English/videos-e/body_videos-e.html
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Hi,
a few late flowers.
First up a very nice form of macranthos var hotei atsumorianum from the kamanashi region of Japan. A small seed grown plant from Jeff flowering for the first time. I particularly like the veining on the petals.
Next is a dark Philipp from crustacare in Begium made with a dark red macranthos. Several years old and now going along nicely.
Lastly we have Wouter Peters ( reginae x kentuckiense). This plant has been slow to grow up but now seems to be hitting its stride.
I've grown a few of these 'wide cross' reginae hybrids and I've generally found them a problem. I find pale leaves, fasciolated weak stems and poorish growth to be common. I'd steer clear of them.
The only reginae hybrid to grow well is the ubiquitous Ulla Silkens made with reginae's close relative flavum,
Regards,
David
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Here's a pot of Cypripedium reginae I gave to my mother. She's been putting phlox and other weeds in it. Give me strength! :(
Interestingly, the second pic was taken on 7 July 2010!
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I hope you have all been gasping at the wild Cyp. calceolus in Austria here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7170.msg202259#msg202259 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7170.msg202259#msg202259)
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Thanks Richard, missed that.
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I hope you have all been gasping at the wild Cyp. calceolus in Austria here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7170.msg202259#msg202259 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7170.msg202259#msg202259)
Anthony at least she hasn't killed your plant ::) ;D
Richard a wonderful sight, thanks for sharing.
Angie :)
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It takes your breath away to see all those lovely Cypripedium calceolus. Wonderful. :) :) :)
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I hope you have all been gasping at the wild Cyp. calceolus in Austria here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7170.msg202259#msg202259 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7170.msg202259#msg202259)
Anthony at least she hasn't killed your plant ::) ;D
Angie :)
There were ten separate plants of 3 noses plus in that planter Angie. The roots covered the surface under the gravel so there wasn't any room to put any more plants. I wonder how many were actually destroyed?
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Cypripedium reginae in the wild on Wednesday of last week. Only the 4th population to be discovered in Tennessee, this one with about 3-4 dozen plants.
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Cypripedium reginae in the wild on Wednesday of last week. Only the 4th population to be discovered in Tennessee, this one with about 3-4 dozen plants.
Where else could we share in these pictures, fresh from the wild of these rare and exquisite plants?
Thanks Aaron, they are so lovely and look in the peak of health. 8)
Nearest I come to this flower is a couple of broooches, but I treasure them.
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I hope you have all been gasping at the wild Cyp. calceolus in Austria here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7170.msg202259#msg202259 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7170.msg202259#msg202259)
Anthony at least she hasn't killed your plant ::) ;D
Angie :)
There were ten separate plants of 3 noses plus in that planter Angie. The roots covered the surface under the gravel so there wasn't any room to put any more plants. I wonder how many were actually destroyed?
Anthony = if you want me to pop round and rescue it just let me know ;) ;D
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I hope you have all been gasping at the wild Cyp. calceolus in Austria here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7170.msg202259#msg202259 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7170.msg202259#msg202259)
Anthony at least she hasn't killed your plant ::) ;D
Angie :)
There were ten separate plants of 3 noses plus in that planter Angie. The roots covered the surface under the gravel so there wasn't any room to put any more plants. I wonder how many were actually destroyed?
Oh no, :-X . I used to clear all the clutter up from my mums garden, stone teddies, butterflies, to much things to mention anyway they always came back, in the end I gave up. Funny thing is I still have a couple of her stone teddies tucked away at the back of my house. Never had the heart to throw them out.
Angie :)
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I can cope with teddies and even the odd gnome, in their place (we have two scabby gnomes here - came with the garden), but putting garden centre plants into a pot of cyps is like tipping a can of spaghetti hoops into a lobster thermidor!
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putting garden centre plants into a pot of cyps is like tipping a can of spaghetti hoops into a lobster thermidor!
You're not alone. My version is a phantom weeder who works on the assumption that if it isn't in flower it can't be wanted. Just repeat (under your breath perhaps?) Newton's supposed response to Diamond's damage.
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Cypripedium calceolus in the Austria mountains.
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Beautiful images. 8)
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I thought I'd post a few images to show the variability of Ulla Silkens, currently in flower here.
1. what I think of as the 'standard' form, increases well but this year very tall (50cms). This is the plant that Maggi was trying to persuade me to drive up to Aberdeen with, but it was battered by the wind a bit last week and lost a flower and had damage to the leaves and that was before the latest gales started - it was moved back into the greenhouse for protection before then.
2. Close up of the flower. Most Ulla Silkens I've seen have this heavy pink flushing to the pouch.
3. Another form, flowering for the first time for me this year at 20cms height. I think that it may have come initially from Ian Christie looking at the label style.
4. Close up of the flower - wow! :o
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Peter WOW , I want a white one now ; Aberdeen show next year for sure.
Angie :)
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Very nice, Peter. :) :) :)
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Peter, the white one excepted, I find that the amount of pink depends on the temperature at a critical time in flower formation. I have had different amounts of pink within a clone in the same year. The same is true of my X ventricosum with different coloured flowers on the same stem.
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Peter,
if you check out Svante Malmgren's web site you'll see that he reckons that 10%
of the Ulla Silkens grex flower out as this almost 'alba' form. To me it is the best one.
I have two mature plants, one a dirty white with a pale purplish lip,
the other much nicer with almost white petals and a darker lip,
Regards,
David
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10% of the Ulla Silkens grex flower out as this almost 'alba' form
David,
I must have just been lucky then ;D. I've had the plant for a couple of years and it's only just flowered now. Initially, I think I bought it thinking that I had lost my larger plant - later thinking that if I had known the other plant was still alive, I would have bought something else, now I'm glad that I did!
I find that the amount of pink depends on the temperature at a critical time in flower formation
Anthony,
I think it might have more of a genetic basis than this. The two plants were grown in the same compost, in similar pots (one was bigger, obviously) standing next to one another on a sand plunge last year and were both placed in a similar position on the greenhouse floor over the winter - I can't get the conditions any closer than that!
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Peter I just noticed your web page ::) your are a professional photographer, well that explains your excellent pictures. The pictures on your web are fantastic.
My Ulla silkens is just about to open, I am praying that it might open white this time. ;D
Angie :)
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As I said, the white one is fixed, but I find the pink varies according to the temperature at a certain stage in the bud. I have had clumps (a single clone) with flowers ranging from almost all white to almost all pink in the pouch.
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Angie,
The web page is in serious need of updating - I've not looked at it for about twelve months!
Not a professional though - it must be that practice makes perfect. I've been taking photos for 45 years now - I'd be worried if I couldn't turn out the odd good picture now and again. ;)
Anthony,
I used to like the pink forms, but having seen the white one, I'll never look at the pink ones in the same way again. :-\
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Finally some action in Norway as well! ;D
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As I said, the white one is fixed, but I find the pink varies according to the temperature at a certain stage in the bud. I have had clumps (a single clone) with flowers ranging from almost all white to almost all pink in the pouch.
Anthony
when I was given my Ulla Silkens I thought I had been given two plants when it flowered but not so. I agree with you it varies with temperature and every flower on the plant can be a slightly different colour.
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Angie,
The web page is in serious need of updating - I've not looked at it for about twelve months!
Not a professional though - it must be that practice makes perfect. I've been taking photos for 45 years now - I'd be worried if I couldn't turn out the odd good picture now and again. ;)
Not a professional :o well you could have fooled me. Like how you have put a dark background behind your Cypripedium.
Angie :)
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Arisaema,
that Cypripedium flavum is beautiful. :)
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cyp. reginae alba
(http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/1233/reginaealba0001k.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/692/reginaealba0001k.jpg/)
(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/2765/reginaealba0002k.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/839/reginaealba0002k.jpg/)
(http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/9519/reginaealba003k.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/580/reginaealba003k.jpg/)
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Thanks Maren, it's among my favourite species, incredibly forgiving, easy and reliable in the open garden.
I just received some Dutch-grown plants thru a friend, C. reginae 'Album' had very nice and healthy roots, but C. kentuckiense surprised me! Do they always have such a small root system? Also, how much sun can it take in the garden?
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Lovely Cyp reginae alba photos - I don't know if anyone else sees them the same way, but I always feel that white Cypripedium flowers have a thick, rich texture to them that you don't see when there is a strong colour present.
Angie,
The dark background is black velvet, held up by clothes pegs on the vertical blinds in my photographic studio conservatory. I got some funny looks in the fabric department of John Lewis' when I went in to buy a metre of black velvet. ;D ;D
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Those Cyp kentuckiense roots don't look too healthy to me, surely they can't be sufficient to support that amount of top growth?. I would expect that the plant will be much smaller next year and would take a year or two to regain it's current size.
I recognise the labelling in the pot, as several nurseries here have been selling those plants this year. I very nearly bought another Cyp kentuckiense recently that looked like a bargain - rather glad I saved my money now.
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> surely they can't be sufficient to support that amount of top growth?
That was my first reaction as well, I'm even more amazed it managed to produce 4 flowering stems! Only paid £20 for it, so can't really complain, but some advice on how to get it to survive (other that deadheading) would be very appreciated.
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I'd probably be inclined to slightly overfeed with a high potash fertilizer to enable it to develop a good root system before the winter - especially a Norwegian winter ;). There seem to be the beginnings of some good roots there, and you want to encourage them to grow as much as possible this growing season.
I normally feed my Cyps about once every two weeks with about half strength tomato fertilizer, which is probably a little on the low side for the largely pumice based compost I'm using. You could try full strength high potash (tomato or equivalent) fertilizer weekly, but I would make sure that the plant is well watered daily so that the roots aren't damaged by too high a concentration of fertilizer.
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Thank you Peter, will give the heavy feeding regimen a try! It's repotted in my standard mix of two parts cat litter : one part composted bark, normally I'd just throw some Osmocote on top. Salt buildup shouldn't be too much of an issue with all the rain we get, hardiness might, but for 20 bucks it's worth a shot!
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Don't overdo the fertiliser. £20 for a four nosed kentuckiense is rather supsicious? :-\
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Don't overdo the fertiliser. £20 for a four nosed kentuckiense is rather supsicious? :-\
Not really, I got them at wholesale price + freight and VAT, certified as being from cultivated stock on the phyto. Cypripedium are becoming really cheap, 5-6 year old C. reginae cost just €6/plant if you buy a bag of 25.
Edit: This is (http://www.gardenorchid.com/en/) the web page listed on the packaging.
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Don't overdo the fertiliser. £20 for a four nosed kentuckiense is rather supsicious? :-\
Not really, I got them at wholesale price + freight and VAT, certified as being from cultivated stock on the phyto. Cypripedium are becoming really cheap, 5-6 year old C. reginae cost just €6/plant if you buy a bag of 25.
Edit: This is (http://www.gardenorchid.com/en/) the web page listed on the packaging.
Angela, we need to talk about this!
Bjørnar, this is temptation even with the root issue.... the thought of laying my hot little hands of the white reginaes is TOO much, even for someone who has tried to avoid Cyps!
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Angela, we need to talk about this!
Bjørnar, this is temptation even with the root issue.... the thought of laying my hot little hands of the white reginaes is TOO much, even for someone who has tried to avoid Cyps!
LOL! ;D The €6-reginae are regular, pink ones from Darwin (http://www.darwinplants.com/site/), but I checked another wholesale list and if you buy trays of 10 and pick them up in Holland the potted ones cost €10.16/plant. That's for a multi-stemmed plant with flower buds!
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different Cypripedium in May
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variable Color in Cypripedium Ulla Silkens
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A rich selection you have there, Wolfgang! 8)
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Angela, we need to talk about this!
Bjørnar, this is temptation even with the root issue.... the thought of laying my hot little hands of the white reginaes is TOO much, even for someone who has tried to avoid Cyps!
LOL! ;D The €6-reginae are regular, pink ones from Darwin (http://www.darwinplants.com/site/), but I checked another wholesale list and if you buy trays of 10 and pick them up in Holland the potted ones cost €10.16/plant. That's for a multi-stemmed plant with flower buds!
Just read this I want more. I want a white Cyp, who lives in Holland and are coming over to the discussion weekend in September. Maggi you need these plants ;D how many trays will we order ::) ;D ;D
Angie :)
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I have contacted the website , Angela.... I agree, we have to get these whites!
There will be more than one Nederlander coming to the Discussion weekend..... I am making a list!!
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I have contacted the website , Angela.... I agree, we have to get these whites!
There will be more than one Nederlander coming to the Discussion weekend..... I am making a list!!
Brilliant Maggi, I wonder how big their vehicles are, better start saving ;D
Angie :)
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Found the company behind the brand, Anthura in Bleiswijk: http://www.anthura.nl/news/en/article/296/81
If they aren't interested in delivering a small order you could always try one of the wholesalers, Javado and Noviflora both listed them earlier this spring.
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I have contacted the website , Angela.... I agree, we have to get these whites!
There will be more than one Nederlander coming to the Discussion weekend..... I am making a list!!
Brilliant Maggi, I wonder how big their vehicles are, better start saving ;D
Angie :)
Add me to the list of recipients for white ones please :D Though I'm not going to the discussion weekend it is my birthday so a few hints in the right direction might help ;)
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Found the company behind the brand, Anthura in Bleiswijk: http://www.anthura.nl/news/en/article/296/81
If they aren't interested in delivering a small order you could always try one of the wholesalers, Javado and Noviflora both listed them earlier this spring.
I realise I know the proprietor behind this company, Camiel de Jong. The plants are artificially propagated but they haven't solved the reduced root length problem. Time will tell how these plants do, but it can only be good that they are available are lower prices so more people are able to grow them.
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Cypripedium reginae in flower now
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I have contacted the website , Angela.... I agree, we have to get these whites!
There will be more than one Nederlander coming to the Discussion weekend..... I am making a list!!
Brilliant Maggi, I wonder how big their vehicles are, better start saving ;D
Angie :)
Add me to the list of recipients for white ones please :D Though I'm not going to the discussion weekend it is my birthday so a few hints in the right direction might help ;)
No reply so far from any of my emails to companies about the white reginaes. :'(
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Neither have I. I am going to Holland WITH A VAN on Monday and it would be a terrific opportunity. But they don't answer.
I'll try to contact Camiel de Jong seperately; met him at Kew a few years ago and thought he was a thoroughly nice and decent chap. He has written very lucidly about growing cypripedium from seed.
I also looked at the website of http://www.anthura.nl/page/en/producttypes/introduction, and they only list anthurium, Phalaenopsis and Bromeliads as their products. I also tried Javado and Noviflora, neither list cypripedium in their repertoire.
If anybody can prodvide some leads, I'll be happy to adjust my itinerary.
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Check on www.cypripedium.de/forum under "culture".
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Thanks, Anthony. :)
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Oh Maren I am so jealous. Wish I could just take a van over to Holland, just dreaming of all the lovely plants I could bring back.
There were some of those cheaper Cyps at Gardening Scotland today.
Angie :)
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Why Angie,
you can take a van to Holland, anyone can.
But I don't know where I'm going yet and that makes it all rather fruitless (and expensive).
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You could always hire a van in Holland from that famous Dutch chap Hertz van Rental. ;D
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Anthony, I love you just for that! :-* :-* :-*
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Here's a little clump of Cypripedium parviflorum var. pubescens f. planipetalum flowering in the chilly clouded garden today.
I can't decide if the fellow in the last photo resembles a yak or a Buddhist monk. :-X (sorry guys)
johnw
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Brain still working well then Anthony ;D ;D
Maren I wish I could be brave enough to drive to Holland. Hope you have a great time. I would need to go with a huge van to take home all my purchases.
John love your pictures p 8)
Angie :)
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Hi Angie,
it's only difficult the first time, gets easier after that, especially with a Sat Nav. ;) ;) ;)
I'm only going for a couple of days. On Wednesday I have to get ready for the Peterborough Orchid Show (Part of the East of England Agricultural show), which takes place from Friday 17th to Sunday. I have a friend helping me with my display etc., which means I can watch the birds of prey displays, see the horses and a bit of the jumping competition and stroke the cuddly alpaccas. Last year one of the young shire horses got a bit excited and went all over the place, knocking down a woman (not seriously though). Such fun !!! :) :) :)
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Possibly the last cyps for me Cyp californicum
and the second though not a cyp it is an orchid a clump of Dactylorhiza
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Lovely plant Ian, it looks to be thriving there.
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I thought californicum wasn't frost hardy.
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Hi Anthony,
my Cyp. californicum grow outside without protection and they haven't complained yet, even after last year's winter. :)
Ian,
your clump of dactylorhizas look so happy, a joy to behold.
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Thank you Peter and Maren strangely I have never been sure that I had this in the correct spot but it has chosen to flower at its best so far
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Here is my last Cyp kentuckiense of the year. It was protected by a bamboo hedge.
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Very nice Maren 8)
Here is Cyp, Philipp
and a pot of Dactylorhiza ?
Angie :)
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Well done Angie, you're not just a pretty face. ;) ;) ;)
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I just received some Dutch-grown plants thru a friend, C. reginae 'Album' had very nice and healthy roots, but C. kentuckiense surprised me! Do they always have such a small root system? Also, how much sun can it take in the garden?
Thought you might like an update on the £20 kentuckiense, it's grown quite a lot of new roots over the summer:
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That looks very promising - are there any other buds for next year apart from the tewo which are visible in the photo? If so, then it has not come to too much harm from having a small root system.
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There's a bud on each shot, but it's a bit too early to tell if they're flowering sized...
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Don't build your hopes up, I had 56 buds on my Cyprepedium formosanum this year..........5 flowers resulted. :-\
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Peter
You may find that due to non flowering this year it will have produced even more shoots for next year, fingers crossed.
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Hi Arisaema,
The plants from Holland have been quite interesting. I have about 30 left of the trolley load I bought. These were repotted into 2 lt pots using my own mix along with the mix they were in. I did this in late May because the plants could not get enough water from my overhead spray system. Looking at the kentuckiense that had 7 flowers this year, the buds are not as big as I would like because the plants stayed in flower for a long time. hopefully they will keep growing for a few more weeks before going dormant.
I am still surprised that any of the types offered grew as well as they did as the code on the side seemed to indicate they had been put into the small pots in 2008. I have been told there will be large numbers available again next spring.
I would recommend protecting kentuckiense in the winter as they do not like temperatures that go below minus 10, especially if they are planted out.
Kind Regards
Jeff
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I would recommend protecting kentuckiense in the winter as they do not like temperatures that go below minus 10, especially if they are planted out.
I'm not sure where this information came from, assuming you mean degrees centigrade. They are totally unscathed in the garden at temperatures down to at least 0F, -20C, and have been so here for many years, usually without snow cover for any extended period. Our lowest has been -4.5F, usually we get down to 5F. Of course this assumes other conditions are to their liking.
John
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Jeff;
Were the roots on your kentuckiense as badly developed as those on my plant, or did I get a dud? I'm tempted to order a couple of trays next spring, but I'd prefer not to have to nurse them thru the summer like I did this plant... Also, if you don't mind me asking, did you order any of the mixed trays, and did they contain anything exciting?
John;
Thanks again, I'm hoping it'll prove hardy, it's not worth fussing too much over £20... (Although I suspect I'll have to protect it against winter wet.) Wonder if any hardiness issues might be connected to a lack of summer heat or the shorter growing season?
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Hi,
The root development was variable across the four different types they sent (I have not said species as whilst two looked like species they came with a made up name. I think the root development acheived was because I put them into 2 lr pots quickly and ensured the existing mix was loosened around the exisiting roots and rhizome. The grit in the Dutch mix was a little small and the amount of organic material rather high for the size of pot.
I have just been checking about 60 show pots and found that some which were repotted 2-4 years ago with a higher organic content have not developed the nice creamy roots this summer and have lost the tips of some of the older roots. i intend carrying out pH tests to see what has happened to the pH. My other concern was pots were I had used seramis as I (and others) have found problems with seramis causing root rot.
Mixed trolleys meant a shelf each of four different ones. I ordered c reginae alba but they sent the ordinary type.
To answer John, some clones of kentuckiense suffer bud loss in very cold weather when planted out in the north of England and Scotland. It is likely the amount of rain is a contributing factor as the soil is quite wet during the winter. This has been my experience and the experience of a number of customers.
Jeff
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Hi,
funny you should say that Seramis causes root rot for you. I suppose it depends on all the other factors, watering, feeding, pot size, position etc etc. I have had terrific results with Seramis and I would recommend it without hesitation. Because of the high cost, I have lately mixed it with 2 - 5mm pumice, 50:50. The results are the same. :)
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Jeff;
Thanks again! Like you I thought the mix looked less than ideal, I guess it's fine for growing them in a greenhouse, but the quartz sand was far too fine and the organic content too high for it too be used for plants in the open - it retained way too much water. C. reginae 'Alba' did have very nice roots when it arrived, but that species seem to tolerate just about anything.
> some clones of kentuckiense suffer bud loss in very cold weather when planted out in the north of England and Scotland
That fits with the experience of a couple of friends of mine who bought kentuckiense last year, the larger buds had seemingly died off leaving some adventitious buds to take over. I don't however know what sort of mix they were planted in, nor do I know what the roots looked like.
My own mix is moler clay cat litter mixed with variable amounts of composted bark and oyster shells, most species seem very happy with that mix both in pots and in the garden, it's definitely far superior to perlite.
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I've also found Seramis (or at least it's equivalent in moler clay cat litter form) has worked with me to grow on deflasked Cypripedium seedlings.
I use a mix of 45% cat litter, 45% perlite and 10% leaf mould. The seedlings are growing in a deep polystyrene box (broccoli box from the greengrocer) and recieve an overhead sprinkling twicw a day during the summer, with supplemental half strength tomato feed when I remember - about once every two months. The box was kept fairly dry on the floor of the greenhouse over the winter.
I wouldn't say that the plants are growing strongly, but I haven't lost any seedlings, so I would regard this as a success, unlike my previous mix of supersphag/seramis which was just too wet. The seedlings in the seramis/perlite mix are the survivors from the previous regime.
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Hi,
To answer John, some clones of kentuckiense suffer bud loss in very cold weather when planted out in the north of England and Scotland. It is likely the amount of rain is a contributing factor as the soil is quite wet during the winter. This has been my experience and the experience of a number of customers.
Jeff
Hi Jeff,
That's an interesting observation. I can only think that the large buds are more susceptible to rot when it is very cold and wet. Here it is much colder but the drainage is perfect. We did just get 20" of rain in August and there wasn't a puddle to be seen in the garden! I don't know of any herbaceous plant 'ripening' or being more cold hardy because of increased summer heat and length of growing season, such as we have here and the cyp does in habitat. I know I can lift clumps of kentuckiense in early September and bare root and store them in our basement at 65F for a month or two then replant them without any difference in growth or survival.
It's a good job kentuckiense is so easy here because none of the more northern or western american plants and none of the Chinese cyps will survive more than a season or two in the garden - too hot and humid in summer and too little diurnal temperature variation.
best,
John
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I don't know of any herbaceous plant 'ripening' or being more cold hardy because of increased summer heat and length of growing season
While not directly related to 'ripening', the lack of heat does at least cause some issues for certain Chinese Paris (and quite possibly Polygonatum), they are hardy enough but the cool climate can sometimes delay sprouting until July causing them to dwindle over several years.
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Neither have I. I am going to Holland WITH A VAN on Monday and it would be a terrific opportunity. But they don't answer.
I'll try to contact Camiel de Jong seperately; met him at Kew a few years ago and thought he was a thoroughly nice and decent chap. He has written very lucidly about growing cypripedium from seed.
I also looked at the website of http://www.anthura.nl/page/en/producttypes/introduction, and they only list anthurium, Phalaenopsis and Bromeliads as their products. I also tried Javado and Noviflora, neither list cypripedium in their repertoire.
If anybody can prodvide some leads, I'll be happy to adjust my itinerary.
Here is their website. Maybe you can use the contact form on this site for availability. http://www.gardenorchid.com/en/
Cheers,
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Hi john,
thank you for the address. I have been in contact with them but they don't deliver when I need the plants (for shows). So that's a no no for me.
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Hello Maren,
Have you tried Judith Prins Garden Orchids also from The Netherlands? Her retail prices of Cyps are very reasonable (e.g. 15 euros for a multibudded reginae and 29.50 euros for a white one). I expect her wholesale prices are cheaper. Her website is www.judithprinstuinorchidee.nl. It is all in Dutch, but through her contact page you can ask her for her pricelists. Her orchids are lab propagated.
A good alternative is Phytesia in Belgium. The prices for Cyps (10 plants or more) are very reasonable. Their website is www.phytesia.com and log in as a retailer to see the wholesale prices. Also lab propagated.
Good luck.
Cheers,
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Hi John,
thanks for this. I have been buying plants from both suppliers and as you say, they are very reasonable and the quality is excellent.