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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: Martin Baxendale on February 28, 2011, 11:13:29 PM
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Thought I'd start a new snowdrop thread for March with my posting as the old one will be dead in less than an hour from now.
Not a very good pic, thanks to incredibly low light levels today. Another of my selected seedlings that managed to escape last year's mass chipping exercise to bulk up my best seedlings and so was flowering as a small clump in the garden. Lifting and potting has disarranged the clump a bit, but in the garden it looked very nice with its perfectly curving, dangling pedicels. The flowers are nicely rounded with very ridged outers. Not opening very wide yet, even indoors, and the photo doesn't really do it justice.
I'll try to get a better photo when the sun reappears and the stems have stood up straight again after today's lifting and shoving into a pot.
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Martin, very nice globular flowers.
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A normal CLIFF CURTIS, but an unusual moment of color.
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By far most of my snowdrops are now finished which is way too early. People are coming to visit this weekend
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By far most of my snowdrops are now finished which is way too early. People are coming to visit this weekend
I sympathise Mark, it looks light the lights have been switched off in my garden and there is damp confetti left after a really raving wedding party.
Roll on hellebores, primulas, erythroniums, narcissus etc, etc. Lets have colour in place of white light.
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Mark, Jo, I have moved your last two posts to the new thread.
Meanwhile, as you folks in warmer climes are lamenting the passing of your drops, here in Aberdeen, on a lovely sunny day, ours are getting beautuifully into their stride. Some are fully open ( only the most precocious ones are even slightly stale) and some are only just coming through the ground. the Eranthis are opening fully inthe sun and the scent of honey from them is intoxicating. to add icing to this floral cake, the crocus are opening..... deep joy, this may well be the start of Spring. :) :) :)
We are, I promise, sparing a thought for our Friends in the far north who still have a couple of months of snow and ice to contend with before they get their first glimpse of these early treasures. :-*
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Oooo Maggie, you're so lucky to be at the beginning. Maybe one year we should hire a camper van and follow the white ;D ;D ;D
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I'll join you Jo
Hagen what a stunning snowdrop
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Well we are getting to the end of the season here, although there are a few hardy souls remaining in the garden. Ann Borrill picked me up this morning and we went to Raveningham Hall to see the snowdrops. It is open this week from 11-4 until Friday for Priscilla Bacon Lodge (Hospice). This might give you an idea why we went. It is not too far from ours, but it was a bitterly cold day so we didn't hang about. Just had a quick word with Joe, the head gardener, on our wanderings round. I didn't take many pictures, and the ones I wanted to show of a Warei type with enormous upright spathe, and another in the same clump with gracefully arching pedicel didn't come out :-\
Raveningham Hall is the home of Sir Nicholas Bacon Bt, OBE, DL Treasurer of the RHS. He is the son of the late Priscilla, Lady Bacon after whom the snowdrop is named. There is also a snowdrop called 'Raveningham'.
Here is the Hall, the gardens specialise in rare shrubs and herbaceous plants and were laid out around 100 years ago around a red brick Georgian house. There is also a Victorian conservatory, walled kitchen garden and new arboretum and for the Millenium a new lake was built.
Lots of the trees are surrounded by swathes of galanthus, eranthis and narcissus and although the galanthus are just hanging on, being past their best the first of the narcissus are beginning to come out.
We headed to the church first, but it was being painted for the first time in 52 years so didn't go inside, there were drifts of snowdrops planted on all the approach routes from the gardens to the church. I believe many of the statues are by the present Lady Bacon, whether this letter-cutting is or not I don't know, but it's a nice sentiment. Many of the snowdrops are also planted on banks which is nice to see.
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Here are some of the snowdrops that caught our eyes, they are not generally labelled, but there were Warei types, Lady Elphinstone types, Scharlockii types etc etc One or two hellebores were dotted round the gardens too.
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Then we had a quick wander round the arboretum before we were too cold to look any more - hence not a lot of photos, too cold ;D Finally a reminder of the snowdrop named after the previous Lady Bacon.
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(Refers to another thread:Thanks for the extra info regarding Emerald Isle Paddy)
Also.......Wow Priscilla Bacon is now on my wants list.
Here are some pictures of Beth Chatto as supplied to me 2 years ago by bethchattogardens.
This, I reckon, is the true plant. The flower shape is correct & the way the foliage lays flat just above the soil.
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And here's a picture of the lovely little 'Greenish'
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Have you a picture of the inner mark on your Beth Chatto Mavers?
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This is the best I have at the moment Brian, I'll try to get a better photo of it tomorrow
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My snowdrops are way behind those in warmer climes but most are flowering now. As last year the early ones are late and the later ones are more or less on time.
1 Galanthus corcyrensis going over. It usually starts flowering in November but was well into January this year.
2 A strong growing nivalis type which has not been split up since it was planted probably in the early 1990s
3 Another even bigger one. I'd like to split these up but never seem to have the time and where would I find the space to replant them?
4 Galanthus plicatus - this one has not increased so much
5 A fairly ordinary nivalis but a good increaser
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This is the best I have at the moment Brian, I'll try to get a better photo of it tomorrow
That's interesting Mike, it's the narrowness where the lower and upper mark joins that I'm interested in.
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OK I'll see what I can do Brian.
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A few more
6 Galanthus nivalis flore plena - also needing split up as is the Colchicum agrippinum beside it.
7 A rather poorly marked green tipped nivalis
8 Galanthus elwesii - I think the tall one in the centre is the original which the late Fred Sutherland got from Culcabuck house near Inverness and the others are seedlings
9 and 10 are seedlings . I find masses of seedlings here but usually miss collecting the seed as it gets over grown with Geranium procurrens and the seed capsules nibbled by slugs
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11, 12, 13 Galanthus woronowii increasing quite well
14 Galanthus elwesii monostictus another from Culcabuck house
15 Galanthus 'Sybil Roberta' I know this is supposed to be the same as 'Dionysus' but I think they are slightly different and one flowers slightly later for me. I split up Dionysus last year and only have 2 pots of it this year which are flowering later.
16 'Lady Elphinstone' not all yellow
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Roma I would lift a seperate the clump of elwesii. It looks like there could be three different plants
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17 Galanthus S. Arnott
18 Another without a name
19 Latest to flower Galanthus plicatus 'Warham Group' increases prolifically by seed and multiplication
20 Last equal Galanthus platyphyllus
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What a lovely selection, Roma.... all enjoying the beautiful day we've had today.
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Galadriel is among the last to flower in my garden followed by Baxendales Late. My Marjorie Browns are only up last week
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Does this look familiar with anyone? It's growing in a spot where I used to grow Phantomas. It's small 13cm with a leaf that has a slight kink. I'll take a photo of the leaves tomorrow
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Nice seedling Martin. I like ones with strong stems that look like they could cope with stranding up after a frost - and a strong green inner is always a good thing. 8)
Roma - a lovely selection of snowdrops still looking at their best. :)
Brian - Nice building and grounds. It does look bloody freezing for some reason. I'm not surprised that you kept your hands in your pockets.
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Hagan - great picture of 'Cliff Curtis'. Cliff said he may be able to give me one of them next year so I have my fingers crossed. 8)
Mike - 'will the real Beth Chatto please stand up....' ;D I'm confused by it all. :-\
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looks like Curly without green tips...
Does this look familiar with anyone? It's growing in a spot where I used to grow Phantomas. It's small 13cm with a leaf that has a slight kink. I'll take a photo of the leaves tomorrow
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Roma some lovely clumps of snowdrops there, aren't we lucky with the weather this week. It's great to be able to enjoy our treasures at this time of year.
Maggi I can imagine your garden is looking really lovely this time of year.
Angie :)
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HI John, I've pm'd Brian to say I cut a flower from Beth Chatto this morning as I left for work & when it opened indoors the inners were aberrant which bethchattogardens assured me does sometime happen with this snowdrop. I'll try to find a better example tonight & post a picture.
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Roma does your plicatus, 04 Galanthus plicatus IMG_0071.JPG, have green leaves?
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Roma - Great group of shots. I'm quite surprised corcyrensis is doing so well in your climate and am happy to see platyphyllus doing so well.
johnw
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Someone at work had just heard about my interest in snowdrops and emailed this picture of her dressed as one many years ago. :D
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Someone at work had just heard about my interest in snowdrops and emailed this picture of her dressed as one many years ago. :D
Just heard? Where have they been all this time?
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The main bulk of the flowers in my little garden have been and gone for 2011 - a few are still looking good - but luckily a lot of the virescent ones are only just putting in an appearance so will keep me ticking over for a few more weeks. 8)
1 - sandersii, the last flower hanging in there
2 - 'sandhill gate' - later than usual this year
3 - 'Kildare'
4 - 'Jessica'
5 - 'Hugh MacKenzie' (photos don't do justice to just how nice this flower is - I loved it last year and now this year it is in my top 5!)
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A few from my garden today. It looks as if John beat me to 'Sandhill Gate' so I have included a couple more pocs to make up for it :) I have also included a 'yellow' named as 'Sharman's Late'. It's anyone's guess as to whether this applies to the time of the season it flowers or Joe's timekeeping. I suspect a little of both!
1 - Sharman's Late
2 - Mark Solomon
3 - Mark Solomon
4 - Henry's White Lady
5 - Sandhill Gate
6 - Sandhill Gate
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Roma does your plicatus, 04 Galanthus plicatus IMG_0071.JPG, have green leaves?
No, Mark. It has been flowering for a while and the leaves are not as glaucus as they were. The sun shining on them maybe has something to do with it as well. I did have a green leaved plicatus in a pot but I think I may have lost it.
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I have also included a 'yellow' named as 'Sharman's Late'. It's anyone's guess as to whether this applies to the time of the season it flowers or Joe's timekeeping. I suspect a little of both!
Love it, and the comment. Will have to search for this one I take it that it is not generally available?
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I have also included a 'yellow' named as 'Sharman's Late'. It's anyone's guess as to whether this applies to the time of the season it flowers or Joe's timekeeping. I suspect a little of both!
Love it, and the comment. Will have to search for this one I take it that it is not generally available?
Brian, I don't believe that it's generally available. It was a kind gift from a fellow forum member. I got it last year when the flower was over and so this is the first time it has flowered for me. I've no idea as to whether it will appear in the next edition of Snowdrops but it is a nice late yellow and makes a change from the glut of virescents in flower now. That's not to say that I don't like them but I was struggling to find something different to show ;)
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Here are some pics from today. Its still snowdroptime over here!
Ailwyn 1 and 2
Baylham 2 and 3
White Kay semi double
elwesii Flore Pleno
Nigel Chadwick double plicatus 1 and 2
Rheingold
Windmill
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A slightly better (I hope) pic of the nice seedling that escaped last year's chipping frenzy. It's a plicatus x gracilis (as are many of my earlier seed raisings) which I find is almost always a good combination. The clump has now recovered a bit from being lifted from the garden and shoved into a pot.
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John, KILDARE isn`t open yet here, but I love this noble size of flower. And I love the colour gradient of the inners too. One of my most lovely galanthus.
David, never heard about SHARMAN`S LATE, but looks good. It has a long flower... and with a very late time of flowering.....
Gerard, could you tell us a little bit more about WINDMILL. Must be a Dutch cultivar....
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Martin, that is a very nice snowdrop - well shaped flowers very elegantly supported. Not surprised you're pleased with it.
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Hello Maxine! (a lurker) - I'll say hello next time.
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Hello Maxine! (a lurker) - I'll say hello next time.
Didn't you just say it ???
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Martin, that is a very nice snowdrop - well shaped flowers very elegantly supported. Not surprised you're pleased with it.
Thank you, Anne. Checked my records, and it's plicatus 'Percy Picton' x gracilis, so that's where it gets its elegant arching pedicel from. It looks a lot better in the flesh, has real poise and nicely ribbed outers. Not a giant. But a cute little thing. Will get the chipping treatment this summer (it thought it had escaped by hiding under a hellebore last year).
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Lovely photos John & David. I REALLY like that Hugh Mackensie.
Lovely seedling Martin - a very classy looking snowdrop.
I still have quite a bit of white in the garden but am having no luck with my photography - will try again tomorrow. The lattice pots were nearly delivered today but no-one was around to sign for them so they have gone back to the depot.
Jennie
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Gerard, could you tell us a little bit more about WINDMILL. Must be a Dutch cultivar....
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Windmill is one of Gertjan van der Kolks findings, dont know when or where it was found but its more yellow then a canary ;D
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Beautiful seedling Martin.............very elegant
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Gerard, could you tell us a little bit more about WINDMILL. Must be a Dutch cultivar....
Windmill is one of Gertjan van der Kolks findings, dont know when or where it was found but its more yellow then a canary ;D
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Gerard - unfortunately, the name G. nivalis 'Windmill' has already been applied to another snowdrop (a spiky double found by Hector Harrison in the 1970's - see p.125 'Snowdrops'), so Gert-Jan will have to give his snowdrop a new name.
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Canary Windmill might be a suggestion ;D
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Canary Windmill might be a suggestion ;D
Would that be a windmill powered by a large number of canaries, all flapping their wings to make the blades turn?
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Gerard and others
Windmill is not one of my findings.
It is a spiky out of Mr Harrison' s garden.
This is a yellow nivalis that is clearly labeled wrong; this is seen more in collections and is not uncommon.
I have found many yellows over the years. The best one is 'Helios' but will not be availible for a long, long time. One other one is the sandersii I found in Holland. This is a yellow that does really gorw fast.
I hope things are quite cleared up and no confussion possible anymore regards 'Windmill' and one of (possibly) my yellows.
Gert Jan van der Kolk
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Dear Gert Jan,
I took over the collection from Richard Meyndert when he had to stop and he said it came from you with this name. Can you tell me who found it and possibly the name?
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Brian this is a photo of the inners on my Beth Chatto.
Slighty blurred I'm afraid.
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Cheers Mike, that shows the very narrow joining of the top and bottom marks which Matt describes.
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A bit like a wine glass :P
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From today a selction in nivalis i found a copple years ago, what plicatus does it look like :o
forgot that i have names under the photos ;D
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It's a beauty Gerard............
It has the puckering like Diggory but in a nivalis?
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Yes, its just a nivalis :o
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Among many ordinary nivalis in the garden, these look different.
Unfortunately they're going over now, and poorly photographed in bad light, but I'll check them again next year.
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Ashley it looks like they are trying to be poculiforms
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Yes, both the markings and segment shapes seem variable so it will be interesting to see whether they look more regular next year.
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That's an interesting one, Ashley, and if it continues in the same manner it will be a very fortunate find in the garden.
Get it to develop strong green marks on the outer petals and you can give up the day job.
Paddy
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Nice pocs Ashley!
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as usual as soon as we close the sun shines ::)
not much left now apart from a few lates.
Upcher,
another find, short, only just starting to flower but seems to be very weak.
Merlin - very late this year.
Armine
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A nice find, Richard. An offspring of one of your many 'Diggory's, perhaps.
Paddy
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think so Paddy, but I doubt it'll amount to anything, apart from the flower it has nothing else going for it.
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I have also included a 'yellow' named as 'Sharman's Late'. It's anyone's guess as to whether this applies to the time of the season it flowers or Joe's timekeeping. I suspect a little of both!
[/quote] Love it, and the comment. Will have to search for this one I take it that it is not generally available? [/quote]
Joe Sharman gave me this a number of years ago partly as an insurance policy and I was allowed to use it for swaps. As it was leaving my garden I felt it had to have a name, you can take it how you want but it is taller and does flower later than normal sandersii, it has also bulked up quite well in my garden. My husband, Forbes, does have an unfortunate sense of humour!
I have sent Matt some bulbs this year to evaluate and so it is up to him whether it will appear in the next book.
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How about this for evil eyes
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.. and a Sophie North seedling
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... how about this for leaves. G. plicatus Wendys Gold
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How about this for evil eyes
Nice seedlings Mark - that first one really does look evil :) I like it.....
Jennie
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... how about this for leaves. G. plicatus Wendys Gold
My Wendy's Gold have a touch of yellow to the leaves like that - is it normal? I thought mine were virused ???
Jennie
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mine always look sick, don't think I've seen W Gold with nice green leaves.
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My Wendys have wavy edged leaves
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Has anyone ever seen Anne of Geierstein do this?
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Mark,
I assume you are referring to the green bleeding on the inner? I believe that what you have is Little Dorrit instead. The flowers look very similar from a distance but the green bleeding is attributable to Little Dorrit. I understand that the two plants may have been muddled up by growers in the past and one has been supplied as the other if you get my drift. In fact I was speaking to a couple of growers recently who referred to both plants as Anne of Dorrit due to the confusion surrounding them both. They use the green bleeding, or lack of it to identify which is which.
The alternative is to try and open the flower with the 'pinch' and if the flower opens nicely then it is Little Dorrit. If not, the outer snaps off and, whilst you know that it's Anne of G, you have ruined the flower! Best to wait for the flower to open and look for the green bleed.
Cheers,
David
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Thanks David. The photo came to me to see if I agreed it was Anne of Geierstein. I dont grow Anne of or Little Dorrit. I know which I prefer and it's on the mental wants list. I dont think I've ever seen Little Dorrit at snowdrop events.
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I've not seen it for sale at events either, Mark. I know that it was in North Green's catalogue this season. I saw a lovely pot full of them at the Colesbourne study day last week. Hopefully Little Dorrit will be available next season as it really is a lovely plant.
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mine always look sick, don't think I've seen W Gold with nice green leaves.
I think this applies to many yellow snowdrops. Isn't the yellow colouration due to a lack of chlorophyll? The stronger yellows mange to survive and prosper despite this, the weaker ones die.
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As Mark says Wendy's Gold has wavey edged leaves & in my experience with her a yellowish cast.
Poor Jennie this hobby is taking its toll on you........... :(
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Thanks for that info on Anne of Dorrit. I think that means I've got Little Geierstein :-\ Not a little bleeder so I bought another Anne rather than a Little Dorrit!
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Aware that the main flush of flowers is over, I have had a look round the garden this afternoon. I was pleased to see one or two things still to come and this 'Narwhal' - which I know someone will like ::) is in flower. A shame that it curls over near the ground so gets splashed with dirt in places.
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Brian,
It's a monster!
Paddy
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Well, I don't know about monster Paddy, but it's certainly different ;)
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Its a beauty and a beast ;D
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I've not seen it for sale at events either, Mark. I know that it was in North Green's catalogue this season. I saw a lovely pot full of them at the Colesbourne study day last week. Hopefully Little Dorrit will be available next season as it really is a lovely plant.
Guys
Try Alan Street at Avon Bulbs. Incidentally some Little Dorrit plants were to be had at the Loughborough AGS Show today.
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My Wendys have wavy edged leaves
Mark
Be afraid. Very.
Steve
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Steve I dont think they are sick but I will take a close look tomorrow
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I recently re-potted some Wendy's Gold that have wavy leaves but I would swear are perfectly healthy - I gave them a thorough inspection. Some plicates have a tendency to do this.
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I've not seen it for sale at events either, Mark. I know that it was in North Green's catalogue this season. I saw a lovely pot full of them at the Colesbourne study day last week. Hopefully Little Dorrit will be available next season as it really is a lovely plant.
Guys
Try Alan Street at Avon Bulbs. Incidentally some Little Dorrit plants were to be had at the Loughborough AGS Show today.
Thanks for the pointer, Steve. I am fortunate to grow both but I'm sure that those wanting Little Dorrit will appreciate the information.
Cheers,
David
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Had a fairly productive day today......I have moved into the woodland area to make beds for the snowdrops :) The day had to come sooner or later especially with all the problems I have had this year. Under deciduous trees in a natural woodland is where I am sure they would rather be.
I got in my garden helper and he sawed down a few dying trees to make log edges for the borders. We mapped out the borders - three in total....so far. I have plenty of topsoil stored from upside down turfs that have been stacked for 4 years or more. When I left him to his own devices for an hour I came back and he had filled in the beds......over the top of loads of ivy ??? He is not an experienced gardener (needless to say) but he is a good worker. Now I have to get out about 30 barrow loads of soil and weed beneath the borders FIRST. Oh dear.
I was wondering if it would be beneficial to lay Mypex over the ivy and tree roots....or do you think it would affect drainage? Any ideas anyone?
I will mix leaf mould, garden compost and grit and perlite when planting. Most will be moved from other parts of the garden, inspected, fungicided and planted in lattice baskets. Work work work. I really hope this turns out to be the answer for my snowdrop collection. I will post some photos of the project tomorrow. Ferns and my endless pots of Hellebore seedlings will be added as well. Any advice gratefully accepted.........
thanks Jennie
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I just enjoyed the wonderful weather today. :D
Here are my own chance seedlings of Galanthus plicatus:
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Some nicely marked seedlings there Thomas :D
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Thank you, Brian :D
I always hope for some yellow from 'Wendy's Gold' nearby, but at least it seems to have given the form of the big mark ... :)
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My cat was enjoying the day as well ...
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Last few remaining flowers
'Fieldgate Superb'
'Greenish' slighty slug munched
'Pewsey Green Tips'
Find
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The find is nice looking.
Steve did you think of me at Loughborough? How much were they?
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The find is nice looking.
Mmm, I wonder what you mean Mark, I have looked back over several messages and have no idea, perhaps it's 'cause I'm tired?
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The find is nice looking.
Mmm, I wonder what you mean Mark, I have looked back over several messages and have no idea, perhaps it's 'cause I'm tired?
I must be tired it was only a couple of messages ago!
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Brian, have you been at the falling down water again?!
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Brian, have you been at the falling down water again?!
Looks like he forgot to water it down. ;)
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Brian, I believe to need a lot of time to fall in love to NARWHAL, but I have time
Thomas, am besten gefällt mir der gelbe Sämling leicht im Hintergrund,(the best slg is the yellow in the background, pic3)
Lettuce, GREENISH looks fine
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Our season today!
First pic of GRÜNER WALDSCHRAT
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I feel cold just looking at that photograph Hagen! Brrrrr!
Nice looking flower - I hope you get some sun to thaw it out.
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Thomas, am besten gefällt mir der gelbe Sämling leicht im Hintergrund,(the best slg is the yellow in the background, pic3)
Hagen, this is Wendy herself ... ::)
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Mark
Little Dorrit was £15 I think (I was concentrating on primula allionii and saxifrage).
Steve
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Nice pics from all especially the find from Lettuce and Hagen with the Grüner Waldschrat.
Here are some pics from this morning (9.00 pm) been snowdrophunting in my secret forrest!
2 bags of flore pleno but nothing special yet.
Thought i had found a bunch of yellows ;D
But at a closer inspection they had botrytus :'(
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Has anyone ever seen Anne of Geierstein do this?
This is my Anne of Geierstein. Do I have to call it Little Dorrit now?
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unfortunately yes, Thomas
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Last few remaining flowers 'Fieldgate Superb'
:o :o lust
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unfortunately yes, Thomas
This is slightly disappointing, of course. But then I looked up the North Green catalogue and found, that Littel Dorrit is offered there for GBP 40.00 wheras I paid for that Anne of Geierstein "just" GBP 25.00, well, maybe it is not so bad ... :)
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Three snowdrops with a face:
Wheras Clare Blakeway-Phillips is well known and its blurred mark may vary, Wachtmeister Dimpfelmoser is a grumpy looking one from Germany and rather new, a selection made by Horst Bäuerlein.
Green Teeth is a newer cultivar distributed by Joe, but the teeth are more looking like eyes for me ... :-)
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Beautiful snowdrops Thomas.
G. 'Coolballintaggart' is the last one here, usually considered as synonymous with 'Straffan'.
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Wachtmeister Dimpfelmoser looks very good (because I can see a face). I would say it`s a g. elwesii?!?!
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Ashley, does Coolballintaggart also bring asecond flowershape?
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Hi Ashley,
G. 'Coolballintaggart' is in flower here also, at the same time as G. 'Straffan' and, to me, not any way distinguishable from it.
I like your Corydalis solida - 'George Baker', I presume?
Paddy
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Hagen, it produces a second scape consistently, later and smaller than the first.
Yes I got it as 'George Baker' Paddy. The colour seems more intense this year, maybe due to the cold nights we've had recently.
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Galanthus plicatus 'Washfield Warham' (photo 1 and 2)is one of the latest cv's.
And I have never seen flowering Galanthus 'April Fool' (photo 3) in the month april. They must called him 'March Fool'.
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I was in a garden earlier this week, hello David!, and saw two albino G. nivalis. Does anyone know how common they are?
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A few years ago I found a group of albino nivalis. Some were completely albino, others had some inners with marks and others without. I collected a few bulbs with the permission of the owner. In my garden I get an albino flower about one year in 3, but mostly the flowers are normal in appearance. This year I was back where I found the originals and saw that there were still some apparently albino drops growing there.
So in my experience, drops that are occasionally albino are more common than those that are consistently albino.
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Three snowdrops with a face:
Wheras Clare Blakeway-Phillips is well known and its blurred mark may vary, Wachtmeister Dimpfelmoser is a grumpy looking one from Germany and rather new, a selection made by Horst Bäuerlein.
Green Teeth is a newer cultivar distributed by Joe, but the teeth are more looking like eyes for me ... :-)
Great ones Thomas. Der Meister is certainly wide-awake!
johnw
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Lovely long inners on April Fool.
johnw
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Nice pics from all especially the find from Lettuce and Hagen with the Grüner Waldschrat.
Here are some pics from this morning (9.00 pm) been snowdrophunting in my secret forrest!
2 bags of flore pleno but nothing special yet.
Thought i had found a bunch of yellows ;D
But at a closer inspection they had botrytus :'(
I commend your moderation Gerard. Many would go with a truck. ;)
johnw
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I will try to find one of those small trailers you can put behind a pushbike ;D
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Does anyone know how common they are?
It is my firm belief that all these variants are out there - you just have to find them. This was reinforced by Melvyn's talk on Galanthus reginæ-olgæ at the Gala. After all where do the suppliers get them from to start with - they only bulk them up and then supply the demand (he said cynically). If I had the health and strength I would be whizzing about the woods all over the place looking for them ;D ;)
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I have a few good clumps of April Fool, it originated from a close friend of my employer, it does flower later but never in April, here it generally starts flowering as the ordinary nivalis goes over.
Galanthus plicatus 'Washfield Warham' (photo 1 and 2)is one of the latest cv's.
And I have never seen flowering Galanthus 'April Fool' (photo 3) in the month april. They must called him 'March Fool'.
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I was in a garden earlier this week, hello David!, and saw two albino G. nivalis. Does anyone know how common they are?
Mark i have three in my garden this year but cant promise they will be the same next year i'll take a pic in a minute
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I was in a garden earlier this week, hello David!, and saw two albino G. nivalis. Does anyone know how common they are?
Mark i have three in my garden this year but cant promise they will be the same next year i'll take a pic in a minute
I found several last year and separated them out. They are all back to normal this year.
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Thanks Davey and Tony.
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I passed on a clump of G. 'Straffan' about a month ago. When I gave them to my friend he noticed that some had very pale markings, almost none at all. I had a look at those at home the other day and noticed some the same, very pale markings. However, I don't imagine this will be repeated consistently.
Paddy
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Beginning to struggle to find things to photograph as the recent sunny weather has meant that a lot of flowers are past their best now. That said, I did manage to find a few still in flower or just beginning to open.
1. Fanny - just beginning to mature (there really is no way of saying anything about this plant without someone sniggering at any unfortunate double entendres).
2. Fanny - and just to back up the previous comment, here is Fanny opening up......oh dear!
3. Foxton - A much more robust name, fortunately.
4. Gloria - Another poculiform from Joe Sharman.
5. Gloucester Old Spot - A favourite of mine. A simple flower and a plant that quickly multiplies when happy.
6. Peardrop - I think that we have now agreed that the name is Peardrop and not Pear Drop. Happy to edit if the consensus feels differently.
Cheers,
David
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last year I found an all white nivalis in my garden and this year it is white with very faint light green marks.just opening now so do not know how it looks when fully open.and one of the inners is longer than usual.
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6. Peardrop - I think that we have now agreed that the name is Peardrop and not Pear Drop. Happy to edit if the consensus feels differently.
did ask Cliff Curtis at his NGS day, it is Peardrop.
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6. Peardrop - I think that we have now agreed that the name is Peardrop and not Pear Drop. Happy to edit if the consensus feels differently.
did ask Cliff Curtis at his NGS day, it is Peardrop.
Thanks, Richard.
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Another nice set David, I am particularly pleased with 'Gloria' which seems to clump up well, and, like you, 'Gloucester Old Spot' is a favourite.
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2. Fanny - and just to back up the previous comment, here is Fanny opening up......oh dear!
tee hee ;D
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Tony i have just lifted my white ones and planted them apart because the clump had all sorts of wierd things happerning to it some has two outers,pure whites.
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2. Fanny - and just to back up the previous comment, here is Fanny opening up......oh dear!
tee hee ;D
Why am I not surprised at you John?
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This is a very nice looking snowdrop and one I would like to have but what is it? I dont know what the leaves are like.
Do you know it?
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I agree it's pretty but what makes you think it has a name, Mark?
By the way, "what happened, what happened" (quoting Vincent van Gopher) about "Deputy Dawg"? I would really like that one.
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Alan is was bought, in the UK, but the label is gone. I will ask for more information
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Nearly at the end of the season here but this recently named selection, Galanthus nivalis 'Marchwood', is only now in full flower.
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Am I imagining it or are all the virescent types late flowerers? Very nice introduction Melvyn.
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Am I imagining it or are all the virescent types late flowerers? Very nice introduction Melvyn.
I think you are right Brian,several do seem to be late flowerers. To avoid any confusion the selection was named by Ruby Baker, not by me.
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Nearly at the end of the season here but this recently named selection, Galanthus nivalis 'Marchwood', is only now in full flower.
That's very nice, Melvyn. The virescents do seem to be later than the main crop. I am still waiting for Hugh Mackenzie and Fiona Mackenzie to open with their green stripes. Is this the same for virescent reginae olgaes? Do they flower later than the non-virescent varieties? What about Fotini for example?
Cheers,
David
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Am I imagining it or are all the virescent types late flowerers?
My virescent elwesii (which currently only exists as 2nd year bulblets after chipping) tended to flower mid-January, so was early rather than late.
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Nearly at the end of the season here but this recently named selection, Galanthus nivalis 'Marchwood', is only now in full flower.
That's very nice, Melvyn. The virescents do seem to be later than the main crop. I am still waiting for Hugh Mackenzie and Fiona Mackenzie to open with their green stripes. Is this the same for virescent reginae olgaes? Do they flower later than the non-virescent varieties? What about Fotini for example?
Cheers,
David
David, I find that Fotini usually starts to flower in October and finishes in December so its in the last period of flowering with my G.reginae-olgae.
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It has been panic stations for me the last few days as I have been trying to get photos for my database before the flowers fade....and they are going over fast now. Had hoped to split some larger clumps but am now reluctant due to the Narcissus Fly worry with disturbed/newly planted clumps - I have enough problems to be coping with as it is :)
Lovely photos David and really like that snowdrop 'Fanny' - had to be careful how I worded that ??? I would like to see it side by side with Green Brush.
Also Melvyn that photo of the virescent nivalis is beautiful. I really really like the virescent ones and cannot wait to get myself sorted out so I feel safe to invest in some - what a bonus that they are later as well.
Here are a few photos taken yesterday - Modern Art opened yesterday and I love it, really wish I had bought Art Nouveau when I saw it for sale at RHS halls on the Avon stand. In future, if in doubt - buy it!!
1. Green Brush - really happy it has good markings as I bought it without flowers....whew
2. Modern Art
3. Trymlet
4. Benton Magnet - had for years and thought I had lost it
5. nivalis Charlotte - tiny
6. Primrose Warburg
Jennie
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A few more taken yesterday.
1. Washfield Warham
2. Baxendale's Late
3. Angelique
4. Tiny nivalis - mine is not all that tiny at all
5. Plicatus subsp byzantinus
Jennie
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Melvyn - Lovely virescent nivalis - any chance of a tape measure alongside the 'Marchwood' flower. It is a pretty little thing - but after having seen 'Hugh Mackenzie' and 'Witchwood' in the flesh I wonder if 'Marchwood' is not so little after all. A few years ago I saw photos and in my mind compared them to 'greenish' - but they are so much larger flowered. 8)
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Lovely pictures Jennie - your flowers are lasting so much longer than mine. 'Angelique' is such a nice snowdrop flower.
It is good to see how great your pictures are when you get a bit of bright light - I remember how frustrated you were when trying to take pictures here in failing light one day.
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Melvyn, MARCHWOOD looks very nice. The late flower is not a sign of lot green, but a sign of the geographical background.
Jennie, very good "march" collection. And GREEN BRUSH looks very OK. I`m sure you like it, I´m too.
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In future, if in doubt - buy it!!
Oh dear Jennie, road to rack and ruin ;D ;) ;D
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Jennie if a Narcissus fly wants to lay an egg or 50 it doesnt care if the snowdrop has been divided or not. In the old garden I go to I lifted a clump of nivalis. When I seperated the congested clump four bulbs had grubs inside. The garden hasnt been looked after for about 40 years.
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Inspired by every one else's photographs I have walked round the garden determined to find something picture worthy here too! Doing my best to Look past the sad sight of brown petals and elongated foliage I spotted a few things to make me smile.
1 - 'Belles Etoiles group'
2 - 'Fieldgate Superb'
3 - 'Streifen Weh'
4 - 'St Annes'
5 - 'Landhochzeit'
6 - 'June Boardman'
7 - 'Greenish'
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John, STREIFEN-WEH feels good in your garden. But LANDHOCHZEIT has lost a lot of green. Were is it?
JUNE BOARDMAN is a very impressive color.
The late season is also a good season.
Today is our first sunny spring day.
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Very nice John, particularly 'Belles Etoiles group' and 'Streifen Weh', I must see what is still out when I have finished pruning. :-\
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.... But LANDHOCHZEIT has lost a lot of green. Were is it?...
Hi Hagen
I have looked again in the garden and 'Landhochzeit' is showing no green lines at all so, even though the shape is perfect there are no green lines on the outers, I have decided to remove the photograph for this year. Looking at the bulbs, I see they are small so I expect they will be more true to form next year after they build up some size. ;)
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John, here is LANDHOCHZEIT in good color condition. It is worth to wait I hope. Every wedding needs a little bit time for prearrangement.
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A forum lurker contacted me today to say how unhappy she is with the size of bulbs received from the Snowdrop Company. My advice is send them back and ask for a flowering bulb or a refund.
Are you happy with yours?
Here's G. Margaret Biddulph - £40
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The query, from someone new-ish to the snowdrop world, via my web site asked
if this is the size of the bulb I should expect to receive from all snowdrop sellers?
I suggested buying from Avon Bulbs and Wol and Sue
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someone else suggested I should put a list a good Ebay sellers on my web site. I dont know how I could do it without upsetting some people. I could say I recommend ...
I know forum members sell and could start with you, Mr O Howes, Farmhouse Barry, Beth Chatto
What do you think?
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someone else suggested I should put a list a good Ebay sellers on my web site. I dont know how I could do it without upsetting some people. I could say I recommend ...
I know forum members sell and could start with you, Mr O Howes, Farmhouse Barry, Beth Chatto
What do you think?
I think I have said this before but I should make sure you have a good lawyer.
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Mark,
Might I suggest that comments on suppliers be restricted to those where you can praise someone. Otherwise, the old saying, "If you have nothing good to say, say nothing" might best be applied.
Paddy
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Serie 3: Late flowering, recent (unnamed ?) Galanthusvarieties: without explanation, just to enjoy (especially Hagen !):
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Lovely pictures Jennie - your flowers are lasting so much longer than mine. 'Angelique' is such a nice snowdrop flower.
It is good to see how great your pictures are when you get a bit of bright light - I remember how frustrated you were when trying to take pictures here in failing light one day.
Thanks John - I nicked my dads camera which is not as old as mine and seems to cope with low light levels much better - probably a bigger chip in it. Wish I had known sooner as I have missed so many great shots this year. That Belle Etoile is really lovely and I must pick up a Greenish again one of these days. I lost mine about 14 years ago and I think it cost £5 back then which I thought was a fortune. (Just remembered it was not Greenish I lost but Virescens) I have one little flower on June Boardman and it has never opened up yet, so nice to see what it should look like. Lovely photos John
Lovely snowdrops Freddie......and yes Brian - I believe I am on the road to rack and ruin ::)
Jennie
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Freddy, A lovely set of snowdrops.
Paddy
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Freddy, for you it is the end of season, here it is the begin. We should speak about it ;).
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A warm garden place need Galanthus gracilis.
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Hagen, Good to see your snowdrop season under way, a lovely selection of G. gracilis.
Paddy
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Thank you Hagen for extending our snowdrop season, some nice marks on those gracilis, particularly the centre one ;D
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Freddie - some lovely selections you have growing there. 8)
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A few late night additions from me ::) taken in the garden today.
1. Claire Blakeway Phillips - my plant is not showing virus and if it does.....its out
2. Ding Dong - been flowering for ages now
3. An interesting shot (I think) of Galadriel breaking from the sheath
4. gracilis hybrid from Wisley this year
5. Snow White
6. Green Teeth
7. H Purcell
Jennie
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What are your wonderful snowdrops ... as you want in our spring snow kingdom. :)
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A few late night additions from me ::) taken in the garden today.
1. Claire Blakeway Phillips - my plant is not showing virus and if it does.....its out
Jennie
I'd say the green mark on your CBP is showing signs of virus. All CBP are said to be virused, but (as with many snowdrops) the symptoms can come and go depending on how well the bulbs are growing. If you are going to keep something like CBP that's known to carry virus in a collection then it should be planted as far as possible away from other snowdrops. Sometimes there are claims of virus-free stocks of widely-virussed snowdrops, like Augustus - Ron Mackenzie's stock is often quoted as being virus free, but I find that it shows symptoms later in the season. I'd say always be very wary of any cultivar with a reputation for carrying virus even if it isn't showing symptoms.
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A forum lurker contacted me today to say how unhappy she is with the size of bulbs received from the Snowdrop Company. My advice is send them back and ask for a flowering bulb or a refund.
Are you happy with yours?
Here's G. Margaret Biddulph - £40
I too ordered 'Margaret Biddulph' from 'The Snowdrop Company' and received pretty much the same as you have shown Mark. I must admit that I was not impressed when I opened the parcel yesterday to find a non flowering bulb. Annoyingly I have wanted this bulb for a few years so will not be returning it to complain (I can't get it from anywhere else) - but I am not the happiest customer in the world this year. :-X
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A few pics from here this afternoon.
1 - Irish Green
2 - Irish Green
3 - Bunch
4 - Bunch
5 - Ruth Birchall
6 - Streifen Weh again (Petals filled out in the warmth of this afternoon)
7 - Mrs Tiggywinkle
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A warm garden place need Galanthus gracilis.
Hagen - By that do you mean G. gracilis needs a warm growing season or do you mean it is not cold hardy? I imagine these gracilis might not be too happy in Neuschottland.
johnw
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A few pics from here this afternoon.
1 - Irish Green
2 - Irish Green
3 - Bunch
4 - Bunch
5 - Ruth Birchall
6 - Streifen Weh again (Petals filled out in the warmth of this afternoon)
7 - Mrs Tiggywinkle
Warmth? Lucky you!
It's so windy and cold here that all you'd get are action shots of the flowers waving about all over the place.
It was snowing this morning..... :'(
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It was warm but windy - each picture took about 9 attempts to get one in focus (and even getting them in the lens was difficult as most were flying 6 inches in every direction! ;D). Warm though, as long as I wasn't in the wind.
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A forum lurker contacted me today to say how unhappy she is with the size of bulbs received from the Snowdrop Company. My advice is send them back and ask for a flowering bulb or a refund.
Are you happy with yours?
Here's G. Margaret Biddulph - £40
I too ordered 'Margaret Biddulph' from 'The Snowdrop Company' and received pretty much the same as you have shown Mark. I must admit that I was not impressed when I opened the parcel yesterday to find a non flowering bulb. Annoyingly I have wanted this bulb for a few years so will not be returning it to complain (I can't get it from anywhere else) - but I am not the happiest customer in the world this year. :-X
Snap :-\ :'( :-\
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hi there
does anyone know what this snowdrop is
please let me know
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this is a picture of the underside
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A few late night additions from me ::) taken in the garden today.
1. Claire Blakeway Phillips - my plant is not showing virus and if it does.....its out
Jennie
I'd say the green mark on your CBP is showing signs of virus.
Thanks for letting me know Martin - she will be moved ASAP. To my amateur eyes it looked clear of virus but I trust your judgement. I have already cancelled my order for x allenii and my Augustus look virused for sure. Such a shame as I like CBP and Augustus - not sure sure where to put them as I have snowdrops everywhere now. I will find a far corner in the woodlands maybe.
Jennie
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Just diverted the river through the Augean stables, now back to the pots.... :'(
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Freddie - some lovely selections you have growing there. 8)
John, next year you can see them with your own eyes ;)
John beautiful and very clear pics, especially Streifen Weh is a stunner (in close-up)
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Steve, is that your collection?
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Mark, that's the Transit Lounge.
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Bobby I think its Casper the friendly ghost
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Nothing very special, just a couple of snaps of late-season seedlings. One of the things I'm doing is selecting out seedlings that are consistently late flowering so I can breed with them to hopefully extend the snowdrop season. First, a plicatus x gracilis seedling, not fantastic but has been a late flowerer the last three years. Second, a nice late seedling that's supposed to be Mighty Atom x Bertram Anderson. You can see the Atom blood in it. I'm also always looking out for dark green marks like this one as very dark green marks are, I always feel, a good feature to breed into snowdrops.
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any help on 183 184
apprieciated
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Isn't it just an example of the ordinary double snowdrop G. nivalis flore pleno, Bobbydog? The leaves look very much like nivalis. The flowers of this snowdrop can show a lot of variability, but yours don't look to me to be out of the range of what one might normally find.
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Look what arrived in the post today......... :o
I had decided it would be sold out and expected my second choice snowdrop which was Ruby Baker. I was jumping up and down and running around showing it to everyone in the house - to which they replied "Is it something special then?" ??? It is lonely being a snowdrop collector sometimes!
Hope I do not kill it with kindness and feel very nervous. Does anyone know if he has 'special needs' or can I just plant him (in lattice pot of course) in my new wooded area - when it is finished?
Here he is (just three of around 40 photos!)
Jennie
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thankyou alan b
its just i found it growing under a grassy tuft in the ground
now i can replant in better grass
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Look what arrived in the post today......... :o
I had decided it would be sold out and expected my second choice snowdrop which was Ruby Baker. I was jumping up and down and running around showing it to everyone in the house - to which they replied "Is it something special then?" ??? It is lonely being a snowdrop collector sometimes!
Hope I do not kill it with kindness and feel very nervous. Does anyone know if he has 'special needs' or can I just plant him (in lattice pot of course) in my new wooded area - when it is finished?
Here he is (just three of around 40 photos!)
Jennie
Your flower arrived in much better condition than mine, and I'm much closer to Ron here in Gloucestershire. I think someone in our local sorting office must have sat on the packet! Have to say I was quite happy with my bulbs from Ron Mackenzie, despite what others have reported. All decent sized bulbs, apart from one where Ron sent two non-flowering ones instead of one flowering bulb, which seems fair to me.
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Yes, my Hugh Mackensie travelled very well I am pleased to say. I will look at it everyday....just incase I never see it again.
My Snowdrop Company delivery was quite good as well - just one non flowering bulb but it is quite big with a small offset. I thought one of the main objects of buying 'in the green' was so that buyers could see the flowers?!
Jennie
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Well done Jennie - he's a beauty isn't he. 8)
Hagen - I've just noticed your gracilis pics - very nice. There is something about that lovely light green colour that gracilis can have that really appeals to me. The dark marked one is good too.
Martin - can you breed some early ones too please. ;D I've been trying to increase the number of early forms I have, as it is when Winter begins that I need the biggest cheer me up in the garden.
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Martin - can you breed some early ones too please. ;D I've been trying to increase the number of early forms I have, as it is when Winter begins that I need the biggest cheer me up in the garden.
If you have a big garden that is open to the public at snowdrop time then I'm sure you would like to extend the season so you could open earlier in the year or cope with colder years when the start of the normal season is delayed. So there would be a big demand for an early variety that is also extremely vigorous and would bulk-up quickly.
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I thought one of the main objects of buying 'in the green' was so that buyers could see the flowers?!
Jennie
See what a slippery slope it is Jennie, Hugh Mackenzie is super isn't he, I hope you have years of enjoyment from them.
This is a very good point, Glen Chantry sent out their bulbs well before the Gala, their were buds showing and anyone who ordered was able to see that they had got what they expected. I wonder if any of the others would follow this lead ;)
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Very pleased with my bulbs from the snowdrop company. Ruth Birchall had 2 flowers on.
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Martin - can you breed some early ones too please. ;D I've been trying to increase the number of early forms I have, as it is when Winter begins that I need the biggest cheer me up in the garden.
I'm working on new earlies too, trying to extend the season forwards and back as well. It's all a very long process though :-\
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especially Streifen Weh is a stunner (in close-up)
I could give away for some nice swap offers 2 or 3 from my "Streifen- Weh" group !
If anybody is interestet so please send me a PM
Sorry ....all are gone
Hans 8)
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Jennie you are very lucky. Did you buy more than one?
Another lurker contacted me today to say how disappointed she is with her purchase from Ron.
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Another lurker contacted me today ...
Mark Smyth, lurkers' champion?
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Bobby I think its Casper the friendly ghost
;D ;D ;D
I can see Casper!!
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Jennie you are very lucky. Did you buy more than one?
More than one Mark!!! I wish. This is the second most expensive snowdrop I have bought so far - anyway it was only one per person. I do feel lucky to have got Hugh Mackensie though as I sent in my second order quite late as an after thought. I bought it with the money my dad gave me in January for my birthday so I hope it survives. It is so easy to go for the less expensive snowdrops to get the collection bulked up quicker but it is so nice to splash out and have something really special. I do not mind paying money for something I really like - I just cannot cope when I lose it after one season. I will try to buy at least one (or maybe two) really nice ones every year :)
Here are some more photos from yesterday
1. David Shackleton
2. Ding Dong - this one has performed for me really well - it was a single bulb last year and is now a little clump! I love the long outers
3. George Elwes
4. Percy Picton (never realised and bought it again - managed to cancel the order!)
5. Sibbertoft Magnet
6. Sickle - has been really short in stature which makes me wonder what is happening underground ???
7. Trotters Merlin
8. Warei
Jennie
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Ding Dong is very nice Jennie, one of my favorites too!
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Hello,
I just try to get some photos uploaded so you can see some of the snowdrops and also some pics of the garden.
Taking photos was not the point, but I never got them loaded and sent them somewhere. (Bit nervous if this really works!)
The first shows how worse it can get in this region:
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Just a clump of some "Flore pleno":
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Some of the "yellows"- Wendys Gold and Spindlestone surprise:
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Anglesey Abbey- took some time to flower:
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This was sold to me as being Lady Elphinstone:
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A nice clump of "ordinary" Galanthus nivalis:
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I'm really delighted that Walrus "increased":
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Dear Mark: Is this Wandlebury Ring?:
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When all the bulbs are dormant:
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Martina
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Hello Martina
What gorgeous photos. Your house is lovely. The last picture of your garden in summer is beautiful - such a nice balanced border with lots of interest. That is a pretty flowering shrub at the back setting everything off nicely. Thanks for sharing your garden with us
Jennie
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Dear Martina
Thank you for the photographs from your garden and home. I have looked on the internet and see that Naturpark Ebbegebirge looks a lovely part of Germany to be in.
The yellow you have shown is not 'Wandlebury Ring' - it would be nice to see the leaves (perhaps it reminds me of a gracilis flower?).
Jennie - it's not fair! You still have flowers on some of my favourites (Ding Dong is still in my top of the drops) and I won't see them in my garden now until 2012
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Morning Jennie, PERCY PICTON looks very fine with the long pedicel. My type lies only on the ground by frost.
Morgen Martina, you WENDLEBURY RING must be RON MACKENZIE, like Kentgardener said.If you have often such a lot of snow, so you should have also a lot of snowDROPS.
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A galanthophile day begins
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I can't say I am a galanthophile but I like them but I like too many other plants too! Can't decide what to consentrate on......
Here's how my day began yesterday. Luckily all the snow receded during the day and this morning looks promising ;D
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Three lovely starts to the day Hagen, does this mean you are now in the main season?
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Hi,
this snowdrop just popped up in my garden and I have to admit to my shame that I don't know what it is. Sorry about the picture quality, I couldn't look through the lens to focus properly and we have quite a breeze this morning. Your help with id would be much appreciated, then I can put a label next to it.
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Maren, it looks similar to Galanthus nivalis "Blewbury Tart", shown here http://www.judyssnowdrops.co.uk/Plant_Profiles/nivalis/blewbury_tart/blewbury_tart.htm
But it would be wrong to label the plant as such unless you have other reasons for thinking it might be that particular cultivar.
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Maren, it looks similar to Galanthus nivalis "Blewbury Tart"....
There was me thinking it looked like it could be one of the Greatorex doubles. ;)
Definitely wrong to label it. :)
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Apologies for this non-galanthus-related post (well, sort of galanthus-related) but there is no-where on the forum to say goodbye to fellow forumists when leaving the forum. Since many of my forum friends and acquaintances read the galanthus threads, however, I'm posting my goodbye here. I've enjoyed being on the forum and exchanging views with you all over the years, but following recent exchanges on and off the forum with the forum moderator I feel that I should leave. I'm sure I won't be able to resist lurking occasionally, but I won't in future be joining in any discussions.
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Now my only problem is, if I close my forum profile and leave immediately, will this goodbye posting disappear? Perhaps Maggi could advise me? I'd like to shut my profile as soon as possible, but would also like to leave my goodbye post on as long as possible so forum friends can see it, rather than just going without a goodbye.
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Martin, I feel I know you well enough to say I think you are being daft.
I have contacted you now several times to say that you are taking personally comments which are meant in general and I cannot understand why you cannot see that.
I am deeply saddened by the tenor of many of the exchanges in the galanthus pages and I know from Forumists' comments to me that they are too. If you choose to regard this as a personal matter then I can only say you are mistaken.
There is no question of your Farewell disappearing , Martin.
You might have opened a new thread for farewells, of course.
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following recent exchanges on and off the forum with the forum moderator I feel that I should leave.
That means I should have left many years ago ;D
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following recent exchanges on and off the forum with the forum moderator I feel that I should leave.
That means I should have left many years ago ;D
Well Mark, it is true that I have had occasion to "handbag" you many times over the years- with good reason, I think, eh?
But in this instance I was merely trying to explain to Martin that I felt there had been a misunderstanding and what the basis of that was. Sadly he has taken that as a persoanl affront. I am at a loss to do more to persuade him of his value in the Forum.
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Hagen, what are your three snowdrops?
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You might have opened a new thread for farewells, of course.
Could be the makings of an epilogue !? ;)
Malcolm.
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Martina,
Great to see your beautiful garden and snowdrops.
Paddy
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Yes Brian, now I loose myself in the white, wide world (www.) of galanthus, but Maggie will help me to find the way back ;).
Mark, you saw DICKERCHEN; GRÜNER SPLITTER and SCHORBUSER IRRLICHT.
Here they are open much better.
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Apologies for this non-galanthus-related post (well, sort of galanthus-related) but there is no-where on the forum to say goodbye to fellow forumists when leaving the forum. Since many of my forum friends and acquaintances read the galanthus threads, however, I'm posting my goodbye here. I've enjoyed being on the forum and exchanging views with you all over the years, but following recent exchanges on and off the forum with the forum moderator I feel that I should leave. I'm sure I won't be able to resist lurking occasionally, but I won't in future be joining in any discussions.
I saw the last two posts on the galanthus registration thread, before Maggi deleted them & locked the thread. There is no need for you to say goodbye to the forum, if you wait a day or two, you'll realise you put words in Maggis mouth and personalised what should have been a polite discussion.
The mention of the RHS not having ever started a snowdrop register is just something that has always puzzled me. It was not meant to be a high-handed, nationalistic comment.
I hope you continue to contribute.
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Hagen,
The warmth and light of noon has certainly displayed these beautiful snowdrops perfectly. Three beauties!
Paddy
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Martin,
I think you should reconsider this decision and continue to post on the forum. Your contributions have always been well-informed and of great benefit.
Paddy
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Don't go Martin ......
I enjoy your posts and learning from you :'(
Jennie
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Hagen SCHORBUSER IRRLICHT is very good looking. Please put me on the waiting list :)
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Friends, I am very hopeful that Martin will reconsider his decision to leave and continue as a valued Forum member as we would all wish.
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I do hope you do reconsider Martin, you will be sorely missed :-\ :'( :-\
Hagen, I am pleased you will enjoy your wonderful snowdrops. Schorbuser Irrlicht is delightful, I have very few snowdrops still in good condition in the garden, a few days and the season will be over :'(
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Here is one of the few snowdrops that I cultivate (more or less
successfully, but unfortunately not multiplying)
Gerd
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My latest snowdrops to flower - Galanthus platyphyllus and Galanthus plicatus 'Warham Group'
They are usually later than the other snowdrops but this year and last the earlier blooming snowdrops have been late, so they are still in flower when most years they are over by this time.
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Jennie - it's not fair! You still have flowers on some of my favourites (Ding Dong is still in my top of the drops) and I won't see them in my garden now until 2012
I think your season started much earlier than mine John. I am surprised how late mine are carrying on for ;D All the potted plants are over now (except Hugh, Galadriel, Charlotte and a few others) but still some nice flowers in the garden. I noticed your spikies are lasting well - I have no spikies now - all got eaten :'(
John, is your 'top of the drops' a top 10 or a top 20? I would love to hear what they were this year.
Hagen - beautiful flowers as always
Gerd - I love the simplicity of your flowers - I really like snowdrops with tiny little markings. Very nice
Jennie
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I would like to apologise for the abrupt way that I left the forum and the perhaps melodramatic "farewell dear friends" message I posted on this thread, and would like to thank Maggi for keeping my deactivated account going and sending me a new password so that I could reactivate it and post this apology.
I now realise that the way I did it could have been misinterpreted as my having been told to leave. That wasn't the case and I'm sorry if I gave the impression that Maggi or anyone else gave me my marching orders. It was entirely my own decision to leave the forum.
On reflection, I feel that I may have become overly combative and argumentative in my posts on the now closed galanthus registration thread. I do get outspoken when discussing things I care a lot about, and perhaps sometimes I care too much and get carried away. So I would like to apologise to anyone who was upset by any of my comments in that thread about snowdrop selection, naming and registration. However, I would like to say that my motivations were never anything to do with personal animosity, just the principles of how I felt certain things are best done. I feel that I now need to take some time out from the forum and regain my perspective, and I also feel quite embarrassed about the fuss, so I won't be joining in any further discussions for quite a while. Sorry again if I came across in that thread as in any way arrogant or feeling superior to anyone else.
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Martin, thank you.
Onwards and upwards, eh?!! :)
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Time to leave it behind and move on, Martin. Your contributions on snowdrop topics are worthwhile and of value here on the forum and I would like you to continue posting - without taking a break, by the way.
Paddy
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Roma, what a healthy group of platyphyllus... such sturdy chaps.... which is just as well given the weather this weekend.... you seem to be getting more snow than us... it's mostly been sleet here though there are cars passing with three inches of snow on them.
Some very unhappy looking flowers in the garden... I hope they'll soon pick up again.
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Your G. koenenianus are very beautiful Gerd; what extraordinary leaves, and the flowers aren't too bad either ;)
Do they really smell of urine?
What lovely platyphyllus Roma. I think the straight species can be nicest of all.
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Your G. koenenianus are very beautiful Gerd; what extraordinary leaves
I agree.... very beautiful.... I'm going to show Ian the closeup picture of the leaves tomorrow and see if he knows what they are!! :D
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Your G. koenenianus are very beautiful Gerd; what extraordinary leaves, and the flowers aren't too bad either ;)
Just what I thought - what a pity it's proving hard to bulk-up.
Do they really smell of urine?
Oh, dear; there's always a catch, isn't there?
...I think the straight species can be nicest of all.
I think the species snowdrops are woefully neglected amongst galanthophiles. Fortunately this has the effect of making them relatively inexpensive to buy.
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I think the species snowdrops are woefully neglected amongst galanthophiles. Fortunately this has the effect of making them relatively inexpensive to buy.
Best of all is to grow from seed, if you can find it & be patient.
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Your G. koenenianus are very beautiful Gerd; what extraordinary leaves, and the flowers aren't too bad either ;)
Do they really smell of urine?
My plant doesn't - just a faint slightly sweet scent.
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Time to leave it behind and move on, Martin. Your contributions on snowdrop topics are worthwhile and of value here on the forum and I would like you to continue posting - without taking a break, by the way.
Paddy
Seconded.
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Here's hoping that you don't leave it too long before posting again, Martin. You are a very valued member of this forum and it would be poorer for your absence. I always look forward to reading your posts and you never, for one minute, came across to me as arrogant or feeling superior to anyone else.
Changing the subject, here are a couple of snowdrops still hanging on with me. The warm weather yesterday meant that a lot of my snowdrops are now almost over but these two are still flowering nicely. The first couple of pictures are of Henry's White Lady. It's a shame that you can't view the picture in 3D as this really looks quite stunning. My picture is a little flat in comparison and doesn't do it full justice.
The last two are of a plicatus I found a few years ago. It has puckered outers and a nice mark inside and looks very nice as a clump. It is a low growing plant and looks better if grown on a slope or in a pot where it can be appreciated as the flowers do tend to be quite close to the ground. This isn't due to the weight of the flower rather than the length of the scape as it is rather short.
David
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Good afternoon everyone,
Just thought I would say hello as a new member on his first forum post ever! It sounds like I'm a terrible technophobe, but this is not the case, just someone finally enlightened enough to join a group of similarly minded people.
Hope to be fairly involved in discussion threads in future, with particular interests in Galanthus, Leucojum, Colchicum, Parahebe and Hebe (not everybodies cup of tea, but I've long loved them) and rapidly growing interests in Crocus, Scilla, dwarf Narcissus and a recent (getting expensive) interest in Hepatica. Essentially I'm a mad collector, though I would like to think of myself as someone who discerns with what I collect.
Loving the images posted by other users, especially of newer introductions and well established clumps of Galanthus in gardens. Moving house at the moment, so going through the traumatic process of digging up and potting my Galanthus prior to their move to a new garden. Likely that most of my picture posts, therefore, won't start until next year.
Anyway, enough about me...I'd like to ask, as it has long been of interest to me to try, has anyone done much in the way of European plant hunting for Galanthus as I would like to and wanted to hear from the horses mouth/s what I need to consider in order to do this legally and sensibly. Apologies in advance if this is a well discussed topic.
Thanks,
Lewis
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Goodness, David, two wonderful snowdrops. 'Henry's White Lady' is one I don't recall seeing previously. Now, this may be because of poor memory, it must be admitted, but it is a lovely snowdrop and certainly well named; though Henry could have kept out of it.
Your foundling is an excellent snowdrop, great size of outer petals and beautiful texturing, certainly one to be delighted to have found. Beautiful.
Lewis, Good to have you with us on the forum and, from your introductory comments, I think you will fit in with the others here who share your love of plants (well, maybe not the hebes! LOL). You, obviously, have a wide-ranging interest and you will find much to please you here and I think you will have much to contribute. So, looking forward to seeing you post many photographs and comments.
Re galanthus in the wild in Europe - Yes, there are certainly several enthusiasts of the species snowdrops here.
Paddy
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Thanks to all for kind remarks concerning Galanthus koenenianus.
It has indeed an unpleasant smell - but only noticed from a short distance.
I'm not sure if I should call this like urine.
Gerd
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Here's hoping that you don't leave it too long before posting again, Martin. You are a very valued member of this forum and it would be poorer for your absence. I always look forward to reading your posts and you never, for one minute, came across to me as arrogant or feeling superior to anyone else.
David
David - I couldn't agree more. Martin's expertise and ground-breaking breeding project is a great asset to everyone in the Galanthus word. Martin - let your sabbatical be a short one.
And good to have you back too David. Trust all's well.
johnw
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Lewis, I think that the position in Europe is not unlike the position in the UK as regards collecting plants in the wild. That is to say they are protected and can only be collected by express permission of the landowner in every case.
In natural parks and so on any collecting would be forbidden.
Ps I like Hebes! :D
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Nothing special, just the first blurry Galanthus nivalis to start here.
What is notable is the fact that they have been above ground in almost the same state since mid January. The autumn was very mild and lasted into January. Then the cold came with no snow cover and one night down to -15c. After the ground froze down at least 30cm snow came and covered them but rapidly retreated near the house leaving these snowdrops uncovered during weeks of cold. They seem unscathed. So if any have doubts on the toughness of G. nivalis in the ground this should put them to rest. Plunged pots of G. nivalis in the frames covered in white poly are still very dormant.
johnw - where the sun is shining at 7c and 10c promised though-5c tonight.
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Martin
Your imput is to this forum is not only welcome it is invaluable, on the other hand although you are passionate it is only a hobby, come back soon. Pat
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A few pics in this afternoon's sunshine;
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a few more..
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and a few more..
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and finally..
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Yesterday's Telegraph gardening section had an article by Val Bourne "Celebrating the 'Immortals'" about a lunch hosted by Chris Ireland-Jones of Avon Bulbs for 30 or so people who have snowdrops named after them. There is a nice photo of 19 of the group including galanthopliles such as Brian Mathew, Ray Cobb, Dorothy Lucking and Carolyn Elwes. Unfortunately the article doesn't seem to have made it onto the Telegraph's website.
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David - lovely photos as usual and really like your 'finds' - very nice markings and puffy flowers.
Steve - Very nice late selection. Several are ones I have been looking at for a few seasons and it has helped me make my mind up to get them next year if I can ie. Uncle Dick and Fiona Mackenzie. Many I have never heard of at all. Whats up with The Whopper!? Is Jennie Owen one of your snowdrops? It is very nice.
I really like Alburgh Claw - how bizarre (another like it or hate it one for sure). Pom Pom and Little Drip are desirable too.
Thanks for the photos Steve - really enjoyed them. More to add to my ever growing 'wish list' :)
Jennie
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Hello Steve, good late collection. Can you tell something about MOTHERING MORN and LITTLE DRIP please (niv elw plic)
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Dear John,
Sorry for the delay, was at work the whole weekend, but here comes a pic of the clump. You are right, I think it is some gracilis, but do you know the name?
Martina
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Hello to all,
I just thought I should post some more pics that I took on saturday having a short break from work. It was a mild and sunny weekend here. Everything starts to grow now.
The first photo shows what was sold as Magnet to me, second is Hill Poe, then there is Mrs. Thompson what I really think is a snowdrop that can make you smile- the 4th photo shows what is sold as Primrose Warburg to me( hope it is).The 5th is Gerard Parker, 6th Percy Picton.
7: For spotting:How many Wendy's Gold can be seen in the photo? (little joke) Taken in the foregarden.
8: Visitor! (Galanthus woronowii)
Hope you all have a nice day and enjoyed the photos!
Martina
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I really like Alburgh Claw - how bizarre (another like it or hate it one for sure). Pom Pom and Little Drip are desirable too.
Dear Jennie,
seems we have the same taste!!
Steve has a lovely late collection, but these are the three I will also add to my wish list!
Martina
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Steve - A splendid posting of so many new ones to me.
The only one I have is Martha Mclaren which has been a good-doer here over the last 10 years.
Feeling quite out of touch! Time for another trip over there.
johnw
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Goodness, David, two wonderful snowdrops. 'Henry's White Lady' is one I don't recall seeing previously. Now, this may be because of poor memory, it must be admitted, but it is a lovely snowdrop and certainly well named; though Henry could have kept out of it.
Your foundling is an excellent snowdrop, great size of outer petals and beautiful texturing, certainly one to be delighted to have found. Beautiful.
Paddy
Thanks for the kind comments, Paddy. Henry's White Lady' was a kind gift and I am glad that the flower does the generosity justice. It really is a lovely flower.
Cheers,
David
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David - lovely photos as usual and really like your 'finds' - very nice markings and puffy flowers.
Jennie
Jennie,
Thanks for the complements about the photographs and plants; I'm glad that you like them. Not many more left to post this season as the warm weather really has meant that those flowering have aged dramatically over the last 48 hours. I'll just have to wait until Autumn now and start all over again!
Cheers,
David
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David - nice to see some 'Henrys white lady' flowers - I was sent some as a gift this year and they have flowered with slightly green marks on the inners - after seeing your pics I am looking forward to seeing them next year when the're settled. 8)
Martina - I think that is an interesting snowdrop you have there. Has it always looked like that or is this year the first? Do you remember where it came from? I would like to see it in real life rather than just photos so that my brain could compare it to others I have seen.
Steve - a great selection. (not sure 'The Whopper' is really true to form :-\)
but 'Alburgh Claw'... - wow! ;D
Canandian John - there is a spare room here for you guys if you make it over in 2012. 8)
Sorry if I have missed any posts - was my birthday yesterday so have been busy all weekend and am trying to catch up/keep on top of posted messages. ;)
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Steve,
I notice that the picture you posted of 'Fanny' looks to be missing the green tips. Is this because it is an immature flower or that I just can't see them on your photograph? I have posted a picture of mine for comparison. Mine grow in relative shade so perhaps the marks are not as visible in direct sunshine.
It seems that Hugh Mackenzie is popular this year and rightly so. I have posted a couple of my pictures just to get in on the act ;D It really is a wonderful flower but has taken a year to settle down with me. The markings last year weren't quite as vivid as this year.
Lastly, Fiona Mackenzie has flowered this weekend and adds to the late season virescents.
Cheers,
David
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Sorry if I have missed any posts - was my birthday yesterday so have been busy all weekend and am trying to catch up/keep on top of posted messages. ::)
Happy birthday for yesterday, John. I hope the 'Henry's White Lady' settles down soon as it really is a lovely flower.
Cheers,
David
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David, great drops and great pics too. Wow.
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Here is TILL SONNENSCHEIN. You can see three different kinds of green:
blue green leaves
green sinus
yellow green outer marks
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And here is DAS GELBE VOM EI in the beginning.
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Wow Hagen at first sight i thought it was a Narcis! :o
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And here is DAS GELBE VOM EI "in the beginning".
Is it that old ;D
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Dear John,
well... as well I can remember I got it 2 years ago via the internet as wandlebury ring. This year it is the first time to flower, there hasn't been soil or compost or anything on it, bit funny- it shows a yellow ovary.
I can't remember buying some gracilis two years ago...
But stupid me- I didn't keep any records that time.
Martina
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Hagen,
Love your pictures. Does Till Sonnenschein always face so upright? Both plants look wonderful, I haven't seen either before. Will any be coming over to the UK?
Lewis
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Gerard, the yellow of an egg is always inside. :D
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Hagen your Till Sonnenschein is stunning, beautifully marked inside ;D
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Lewis, it was the day when the flowers leave the spathe. But the colors are truly.
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Brian, the markings outside are real much better.
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I look forward to seeing it fully open then Hagen :D
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Gerard, the yellow of an egg is always inside. :D
Sunny side up. ;)
johnw
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Brian, this is a pic of TILL SONNENSCHEIN from the last year.
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JohnW, so DAS GELBE VOM EI start to flower.
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Wonderful snowdrops Hagen. What a joy!
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Hello Steve, good late collection. Can you tell something about MOTHERING MORN and LITTLE DRIP please (niv elw plic)
Hagen
Mothering Sunday was named by me but originated from the orchard at Avon Bulbs four years ago. The name is intended to perpetuate the lovely old English name instead of the awful American "Mothers Day". I wonder how the Americans would feel if we renamed their very nicxe "Thanksgiving" as "Thanks Day"?
Little Drip was named by Michael Baron of Brandymount and is chronicled on p.245 of Snowdrops.
Jennie, Jennie Owen is one of my seedlings; its my last elwesii to flower and is named for my eldest daughter. And The Whopper always does that!
Steve
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Mark Smyth has the sharpest eyesight in the business - official. Mark kindly PM-d me to ask whether I was aware I was using a pic of Galadriel that wasn't mine. I wasn't. Below are two pics; the second is the one I took yesterday. Mark, do you eat lots of carrots?
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Just caught up with all the recent posts after a few days away and a weekend in the garden. Nearly all my drops are over so it is nice to see all these fabulous pictures. Steve I cant believe you have so many still in flower, presumably yours isn't a particularly cold garden? Needless to say I am rather envious.
Chris
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Steve, thank you so much for your information. I like your biggies.
Here is WELLENSPIEL, typically with the waves on the edges.
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Wonderfully beautiful, Hagen.
Paddy
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Hagen, I'm continually knocked out by your fantastic pictures of snowdrops I have never heard of before. Do these snowdrops typically exist in large numbers or are these mostly ones you have found yourself and, as yet, have only a few of?
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I love carrots! ;D
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...And The Whopper always does that!
Steve
Hi Steve
Here is a 'the Whopper' that I took a picture of on my travels this year. Mine in the garden here looked like this too.
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Hagen - fantastic flowers as always. I'm almost speechless. (but not quite!)
Your 'DAS GELBE VOM EI' (the eggs?) reminds me of the colouring of 'Chadwicks Cream' - lovely.
And wow! - the greens on 'TILL SONNENSCHEIN' are wonderful 8) Is the photograph enhanced at all?
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Dear John,
Sorry for the delay, was at work the whole weekend, but here comes a pic of the clump. You are right, I think it is some gracilis, but do you know the name?
(http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6818.0;attach=275006;image)
well... as well I can remember I got it 2 years ago via the internet as wandlebury ring. This year it is the first time to flower, there hasn't been soil or compost or anything on it, bit funny- it shows a yellow ovary.
I can't remember buying some gracilis two years ago...
But stupid me- I didn't keep any records that time.
Martina
Dear Martina
When I saw your picture it reminded me of Galanthus 'Ronald Mackenzie' - this bulb has only been available to buy from 'the Snowdrop Company' and was first listed in their 2009 catalogue - do you remember parting with £50 for a bulb? Here is a picture I took when it was shown at the RHS halls in February 2009.
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Sorry Alan, only in very few numbers. But these 3 types were twinscaled. Crossed fingers
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Hagen,
I love your Snowdrop 'Das Gelbe vom Ei' (literally translated Egg Yolk, which is so fitting for the lovely colour).
Do you have any spares? I'd love to try one in this country. How about a pleione swap? :) :) :)
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Thank you Maren for the translation. Sorry, but you can see all my few plants on pic two. But I twinscaled last year.
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Sorry Alan, only in very few numbers. But these 3 types were twinscaled. Crossed fingers
That's okay, Hagen. I do worse myself, showing pictures of snowdrops I am excited about on the forum even if I only have the one bulb! It just means that I, and others, will have to wait patiently (with crossed fingers) if we want to get hold of any of these beautiful snowdrops you are showing us.
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Hello John, the color of CHADWICKS CREAM is much deeper. I saw it this year first time.
DAS GELBE VOM EI only starts with this kind of cream (is looks like the color of some eggshells, off-white), but the middle looks intensiv like egg yolk, I learned by Maren.
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you can put me on the list for that one too Hagen!
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Nothing compared to those nice ones from Hagen a bunch of spikes i found today.
And my Beth Chatto "form" that was bought before 2000 and sold as Beth Chatto!
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Dear John,
well I paid more for it... ::)
I wait until next year, when it still has the same appearance i could spare a bulb.
Thank you very much for getting the picture. Another thing:
I urgently need a photo of South Hayes- especially the foliage, have you got one?
Kind regards, Martina
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Hi Martina
Here are a couple of pictures of 'South Hayes' for you from 2010. The first shows the foliage and was taken in Rod and Jane Leeds garden. The second is the flower in my garden (and this is the picture I use as my laptop desktop 8)).
You can also use the wonderful search facility on this forum to search many years worth of posts where other pictures are available - I just put 'South Hayes' into the search box and received two pages of results going back to 2008.
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A link to the Telegraph article about the Galanthus "Immortals" lunch with a group photo and, if you click to the next photo, a key to the people with their names. Not sure how long this will stay on the Telegraph website, but if you want to you can right-click on both pics and save them onto your computer.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardening/plants/8376143/Snowdrops-Celebrating-the-Immortals.html
Click on the little black box with the arrow on the right of the first pic and that will take you to the second pic with the key and names.
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. Steve, David and John: beautiful pics of fantastic drops !
. Hagen, what to say ? Pics and drops as usual for you: "breathtaking", superb !!!
Note: Based on the responses of the forumnists you have to start a "twinscale-factory" ;) ;)
. Steve, John (and others) below a picture of (what I have as) 'The Whopper':
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A link to the Telegraph article about the Galanthus "Immortals" lunch
Thank you Martin - they must have put this up after I checked.
Nice to see you!
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JohnW, so DAS GELBE VOM EI start to flower.
Veilleicht Poscierte Eier ist veil besser. ;)
Wünderschön!
:o :o :o
johnw
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vielleicht pochierte Eier mit einigen Räucherlachs viel besser ist?
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Hello Steve, good late collection. Can you tell something about MOTHERING MORN and LITTLE DRIP please (niv elw plic)
Hagen
Mothering Sunday was named by me but originated from the orchard at Avon Bulbs four years ago. The name is intended to perpetuate the lovely old English name instead of the awful American "Mothers Day". I wonder how the Americans would feel if we renamed their very nicxe "Thanksgiving" as "Thanks Day"?
Little Drip was named by Michael Baron of Brandymount and is chronicled on p.245 of Snowdrops.
Jennie, Jennie Owen is one of my seedlings; its my last elwesii to flower and is named for my eldest daughter. And The Whopper always does that!
Steve
Steve
Jennie Owen is a lovely snowdrop, but I cannot see how it differs from Galanthus elwesii I have bought from garden centres, or indeed the flowers I have in my garden.
Have you proposed that Matt Bishop adds it to the next big book?
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Art therein lies the problem of a pic,I wouldn't imagine that Steve would put his Daughter's name to just any drop,from the pic you can only tell the shape and colour, what we are not seeing is size,vigour ect.,and with the amount of drops that mans got and the knowledge of the subject he has that's going to be quite a special plant, i should imagine.
;D ;D
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Hi everyone,
Wanted some feedback about an albino nivalis I found in a clump a couple of years back. Have three or four now, but planning to twinscales as although it is by no means the only one available, it grows well and flowers reliably with very little or no sinus markings. My problem is, I struggle to like them. Much prefer the strength of markings that you get with most Snowdrops. Will say this though; when the sun shines through them, they glow. Have attached a picture below (sadly, today is very dull). Once I have sufficient numbers, I'll be happy to share out some to anyone interested in one or two.
(http://C:\Users\Lewis\Desktop\Lewis' new G. n albino.jp)
Much as this is the Galanthus forum page, as polymaths, I imagine that someone could help me with an ID of what I believe to be a Scilla. Very dwarf, only 2" (5cm) above ground with quite broad leaves. Flowers are white, suffused with vibrant blue which fades after a few days. Each bulb only produces one flower as best I can see. Photos attached (I hope). Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
thanks,
Lewis
(http://C:\Users\Lewis\Desktop\SAM_2392 copy.jpg)
(http://C:\Users\Lewis\Desktop\IMG_1120 copy.jpg)
Edit: this "blue" question diverted to another thread!
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6916.0
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It would also seem that I haven't yet mastered the posting images at an acceptable size to be viewed when enlarged. Apologies for this.
Lewis
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Lewis you first need to edit your photos using photoshop or whatever you use and reduce the width to 700 pixels wide.
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Thank you Mark, will do.
Lewis
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I cant help you with the method of inserting imges. Someone else will.
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Art therein lies the problem of a pic,I wouldn't imagine that Steve would put his Daughter's name to just any drop,from the pic you can only tell the shape and colour, what we are not seeing is size,vigour ect.,and with the amount of drops that mans got and the knowledge of the subject he has that's going to be quite a special plant, i should imagine.
;D ;D
Davey
I would also expect it to be special, but if snowdrops with identical markings but different sizes are all given different names, how is anyone going to know if they have the genuine snowdrop ???
I selected 43 different markings on several pots of elwesii bought at a local garden centre - but I would not dream of giving each one a name.
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Lewis, glad your Polly does maths, our budgie can barely manage simple arithmetic...... ;)
I have edited your photos to resize them.... I'm not sure how you are loading them but your resizing is being lost in translation!
Just seen the other posts .... and I see you have now managed to reload the smaller images.... well done. If you need any more help send me an email.
Cheers,
M
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Thank you Maggi,
My newbie incompetance is showing, but I'll master it soon, I promise.
Lewis
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Not to worry, Lewis, it's more important to all of us to be able to share your pictures.... technique is a mere bagatelle !
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vielleicht pochierte Eier mit einigen Räucherlachs viel besser ist?
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Maggi
I managed 3 mistakes in 6 German words. I should go back to bed. :'(
johnw
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vielleicht pochierte Eier mit einigen Räucherlachs viel besser ist?
Maggi
I managed 3 mistakes in 6 German words. I should go back to bed. :'(
johnw
John, having seen the photos of your ongoing house renovations I wonder you are not fleeing the country to hide out until its all finished. What a nightmare.... as my Mum used to say... all property is a time bomb....she was usually right!
Ne'er mind... it'll all be lovely when it's finished and if you live to enjoy that, think how nice that'll be.... meantime, you can practice swearing at contractors in every tongue who can! Relieves the stress!
M x
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My albino G. nivalis
Very nice Lewis.
The other thing to remember when uploading pictures is that you have to look at the longest measurement and fit that to the requirements, the rest will take care of itself.
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Thanks Brian,
Very helpful and glad you like my albino.
Cheers,
Lewis
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At least some of the snowdrops start to show proper! (I know I am far from leading the season ;)) Name unknown.
Also the spring snowflakes are due now.
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Art therein lies the problem of a pic,I wouldn't imagine that Steve would put his Daughter's name to just any drop,from the pic you can only tell the shape and colour, what we are not seeing is size,vigour ect.,and with the amount of drops that mans got and the knowledge of the subject he has that's going to be quite a special plant, i should imagine.
;D ;D
Davey
I would also expect it to be special, but if snowdrops with identical markings but different sizes are all given different names, how is anyone going to know if they have the genuine snowdrop ???
I selected 43 different markings on several pots of elwesii bought at a local garden centre - but I would not dream of giving each one a name.
Arthur
If your point concerns the indiscriminate naming of snowdrops, then you will know from recent posts of mine that I fully support that concern. I can think of various valid targets for that concern, and I am most certainly not one of them.
My snowdrop Jennie Owen is of course like many others; its white, an elwesii, sturdy, vigorous, nice large well-formed flower, but still like plenty of others - except that it begins flowering in the second week in March, as I mentioned in my post two days ago. If you have 43 other elwesii-s that have just started flowering, do please post pics so we can share your enjoyment.
Steve
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A couple of late seedlings just started flowering here:
First, another of my plicatus x gracilis seedlings which I think has
flowers of very good quality, nice and thick and very white. Last year
the flowers lasted until the start of April. I'm hoping it'll do the same
this year, although I've pollinated it this year so it may go over
faster.
Second is a dinky little hybrid with very small flowers and a nice mark.
In one pic I'm holding a GB Pound coin for size comparison. Apologies
to Euro-country forumists, but I don't have a Euro to hand.
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Martin,
Both are lovely flowers. Dinky is an understatement. Very cute indeed.
How tall is the gracilis x plicatus please? What are the leaves like. I'm imagining a far broader version of that lovely grey-green gracilis leaf?!
Lewis
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This plicatus x gracilis isn't one of my tallest ones but still a decent size - 21 cm to the tip of the spathe. The outer segments are 2.6 cm long. It's in a pot this year (waiting to be chipped) so a bit smaller than it would get in the open ground. Leaves half-way between plicatus and gracilis.
The dinky seedling is 12 cm tall. But has been drawn up under glass. Outside, probably closer to 8 or 9 cm.
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If it is not too presumptuous of me Martin, could you think of me for a swap when you have a spare bulb of each of those please?
Thanks,
Lewis
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I like the first one.
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Have to chip them both, and then probably chip them again to bulk them up, so will be a few years. That's the problem with deliberate crossings and raising from seed rather than finding clumps self-sown in old gardens - the bulbs are younger and tend to be much more vigorous and healthy but it's a long wait until there are enough to distribute, which is frustrating for me and those who see them and like them. :-\ But I'd rather show them now, so some small enjoyment can be had from them even if it is just a single flower in a photo, than hide them away for years until they've been increased.
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The tiny one is a seedling from 'Bertram Anderson', would you believe? You can see it in the shape of the flower, but the size is a surprise. You never really know quite what you're going to get!
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Opinions on this large Galanthus. elwesii or ikariae or ...
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For my money it is ikariae or a selection thereof. Perhaps a bit of plicatus folding to the leaves?! Unusual ovary shape in relation to ikariae. Bolder marking than on my plants too.
Outer segments look right though.
Importantly, looks beefy and imposing.
L
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Here is an elwesii that started flowering last week - and looks a lot like Jennifer Owen.
This patch of elwesii bloomed in November the first year I moved to the bungalow. Flowering time has not been consistently early and this year is very late - presumably because of the severe winter
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Hello,
yesterday I tried to look for special forms of Galanthus nivalis in our woodlands. It is the peak of flowering now and there were billions of flowers over miles along the river Danube!
I have been on a very special place, where Galanthus and Leucojum grow together. I found only one special Galanthus: A greentipped form. A friend was luckier and found a puculiforme-clump.
Interesting was a special group of Leucojums with very open flowers - we called them "Flatterling".
Of course I collected some the see the variation in my garden!
Here some pictures:
1 woodland with white carpet
2 Galanthus and Leucojum growing togethet
3 greend tipped form
4&5 Leucojum "Flatterling"
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Thanks for posting these Herbert, I love to see the woodland with snowdrops like this. The L.'Flatterling' is good too.
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I'll second Brian's comments Herbert. Lovely to see a wooded area adorned with bulbs.
Love your Leucojum, like the spokes of a wheel.
Lewis
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There are lots still flowering over here!
Just a selection from a Very Big plicatus, almost twice as big then Diggory!
And a yellow nivalis and my nivalis with Diggory look still doing well!
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Opinions on this large Galanthus. elwesii or ikariae or ...
Mark is that your clump.
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The Big Bopper, just a selection from a Very Big plicatus, almost twice as big then Diggory!
Gerard,
The big bopper sounds like it would make a good garden plant.
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No Davey but I wish I had one of them.
At the Garden House we were told G. caucasicus does exist. At the same garden I saw and forgot to photograph a stunning very late flowering elwesii monostictus. Huge very silver leaves, good flowers with a small horsehoe mark. As far as I know these were bought as dry bulbs. Could they be G. caucasicus?
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The Big Bopper, just a selection from a Very Big plicatus, almost twice as big then Diggory!
Gerard,
The big bopper sounds like it would make a good garden plant.
Oh baby thats what i like! A very good garden plant ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWqLPxJ7kxU
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The Big Bopper, just a selection from a Very Big plicatus, almost twice as big then Diggory!
Gerard,
The big bopper sounds like it would make a good garden plant.
Oh baby thats what i like! A very good garden plant ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWqLPxJ7kxU
Its the truth Ruth. But I ain't got no money honey.
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hi guys, not posted much as ive been ignoring the snowdrops this year ;D been far to busy but have been looking at them from time to time, wonder what this one is, it looks familiar but no label, anyone know what it is?
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd120/robsorchids/IMG_0222.jpg)
Hi Rob ;D nice to hear from you . Could it possibly be 'greenish ' ??????
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Here are 2 pics from today with The Big Bopper open. Good to see now how big it is!
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Hi Rob ;D nice to hear from you . Could it possibly be 'greenish ' ??????
Just what I thought in both cases. That is, it's nice to hear from Rob again after a long absence and I too wondered if the snowdrop could be 'Greenish', except I'm not sure if it is quite green enough.
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Here's Greenish.
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Thanks for the pics guys. The nearest I can get to white fever. Even the garden centres here, which are full of spring bulbs such as daffs and hyacinths, don't have snowdrops. The lady I spoke to said she thought she'd heard of them! ::) Surely I can grow ikariae or reginae-olgae here? ???
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Thanks for the pics guys. The nearest I can get to white fever. Even the garden centres here, which are full of spring bulbs such as daffs and hyacinths, don't have snowdrops. The lady I spoke to said she thought she'd heard of them! ::) Surely I can grow ikariae or reginae-olgae here? ???
You will just have to start again from seed - there are always some in the Seed Exchange :)
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Here are some pics from today, for what i can see been my last snowdrophunt this season.
Lots of elwesii in a forrest somewhere :o
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Some more :o
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The last :o
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Very nice Gerard.
The last picture looks very like Robin Hood.
Are they all hybrids that have occurred in the wild, or a mixture of cultivated and wild?
Lewis
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Looks like but it is not!
They are all wild hybrids Lewis.
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Amazing range. Good to see diversity. Most of the woodland around me is very samey. Lots of G. nivalis, but very little variation.
Lewis
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What a great woodland Gerard, I particularly like DSC00879.JPG, the one with the large receptacle (or small flower).
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What a great woodland Gerard, I particularly like DSC00879.JPG, the one with the large receptacle (or small flower).
Snap ;D
I thought what a great big ovary!
and then thought - or is that a really small flower .....
;D
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I'm not galanthofile, but few I'm growing.
Here plicatus 'Cowhouse Green'whicvh I got from Chris Brickell.
Janis
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It is a lovely galanthus Janis, and a nice present :)
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John and Brian, i took that pic by coincidence with flashlight! It looks like its made of glass, but indeed very nice!
For the good order, i was allowed to take them home ;D
My favorite is DSC00874.JPG it looks a lot like Daglingworth but with very dark green leaves and no elwesii but a unidentifiable hybrid.
I found one elwesii with a complet face marking, i found out later that the pic was not that good.
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A lovely picture of 'Cowhouse Green' Janis. 8)
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I like virescent snowdrops very much.......a lovely gift to receive Janis.
Mike
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i will check to see if there is a pot about with that label, if there is then this is either not greenish or more likley the bulb somehow ended up in that pot, or the label was misplaced
Following a suggestion by KentGardener, I now use a silver paint marker pen (around £1.50 from Rymans) to number all my pots and I keep a list of what each numbered pot contains. This gets round the problem of lost labels, but not the problem of bulbs walking from one pot to another (which, fortunately, is not something I have yet encountered myself).
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Spring was relatively late this year in my country.
At the moment I only enjoy some early spring bulbs. native galanthus species as alpinus and artjuschenkoae are in bloom as well.
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Hi Boyed,
Lots of flower. They look great. Is G. artjuschenkoae what I'd call G. transcaucasicus? There seems to be a few yellows in there?! I struggle to get mine to flower at all.
Good late display. Have you had a particularly late or cold winter?
Regards,
Lewis
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Lovely drops Zhirair. Are these planted in your garden? I like the shape of the flowers and also interested to see how yellow some of them are. 8)
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Hello Zhirair, very interesting species. Spring goes to east ;). Our season is in best time now. Do you have some close up views please?
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...Most of the woodland around me is very samey. Lots of G. nivalis, but very little variation.
Do they set seed? If I look in the nearby woodlands where I found a lot of diverse nivalis forms, there are huge numbers of seedlings, whereas I have heard talks from UK snowdrop luminaries declaring that the nivalis found in the UK are sterile. I think the truth must be that some UK populations of nivalis are sterile, or virtually so, and some are fertile.
The moral is, if you find a snowdrop wood, look for seedlings. Where there are seedlings there will be diversity. If you cannot find seedlings then you are unlikely to find much variation either.
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A lovely display of G. artjuschenkoae Zhihrair, very pretty yellow.
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Your Galanthus artjuschenkoae are really eyecatcher, Zhirair!
Not a species I have seen very often (never in real life), thanks for showing them!
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Zhirair,
I have never seen G. artjuschenkoae in the flesh and it is wonderful to see your photographs here. It is a very pretty flower.
Paddy
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...Most of the woodland around me is very samey. Lots of G. nivalis, but very little variation.
Do they set seed? If I look in the nearby woodlands where I found a lot of diverse nivalis forms, there are huge numbers of seedlings, whereas I have heard talks from UK snowdrop luminaries declaring that the nivalis found in the UK are sterile. I think the truth must be that some UK populations of nivalis are sterile, or virtually so, and some are fertile.
The moral is, if you find a snowdrop wood, look for seedlings. Where there are seedlings there will be diversity. If you cannot find seedlings then you are unlikely to find much variation either.
Hi Alan,
I'm sure that you're right that there must be sterile, or largely sterile populations in existence in the UK, but woods in my part of Kent, are definitely fertile, producing seedlings that, in the main, are pretty uniform in selection. I would agree with you, that to describe all populations of nivalis in the UK as sterile seems a bit presumptuous and highly unlikely.
The best colonies that I've experienced for variety (in the UK) have always had populations of nivalis with plicatus. The hybridisation from them always throws up interesting variants, but the seemingly fertile nivalis near me is beautiful, if not, variable in the main. I did find one a few years back in a friends woodland that had a strong bright green blotch marking on the inners, but it didn't do well when he lifted the three bulbs later that year and they eventually succumbed.
My dream is to have a bit of woodland and plant small colonies of a range of species, sit back and wait for some hybridisation. Long term dream and a long wait to see what happens, but I love a project!
Lewis
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My dream is to have a bit of woodland and plant small colonies of a range of species, sit back and wait for some hybridisation. Long term dream and a long wait to see what happens, but I love a project!
My dream too, Lewis. I have the wood (at least the small bit of it without the bluebells) and lots of nivalis. I've got a few Elwesii doing lots of interesting seeding around but have only got a few plicatus. They are relatively expensive and don't seem to be available anywhere in bulk. A lot of my nivalis are seeding, perhaps because I have mixed them up. I did notice that nivalis in our local churchyard do not seed so must have all been spread from one clone. I would be very happy to swap nivalis with anyone in the interests of genetic diversity (not that I know anything about genetics, technical posts about it on the forum make my brain turn to mush).
The most interesting nivalis wood I have seen was at Walsingham Abbey where singles and doubles were nicely mixed and producing 'inbetweeners' so this year I am going to distribute some singles among the doubles I bought from Cambo a few years ago.
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Last year Catherine Erskine gave me some of plicatus seedlings that she had collected to 'play with'. In the mix are some really good doers and a terrific range of flower shapes and markings. If I had more, I'd give you some to add to the collection, but only one or two of each currently. When they bulk, I'll let you know.
G. plicatus subsp. plicatus isn't easy to get in any numbers, surprising really since it bulks up so quickly. I'm lifting and potting before I move house, so if there are any spare, I'll let you know. G. elswesii always throws the most diverse seedlings for me.
Does anyone have G. plicatus subsp. byzantinus of known origin (I know that virtually everything in cultivation will be cultivated rather than a wild subspecies), as I'd like some to add to my species range. Happy to swap with Galanthus or anything else that I have really.
Good luck with the wood Vivien,
Lewis
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first time flowering for me galanthus artjuschenkoae,little and late
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Galadriel, Danube Star, Rushmere Green, Jennie Owen, Baxendale's Late, Ruth Birchall, Mill View, The Linns, Foxton and a little late spikey still looking good here.
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Steve,
How fortunate to have such a selection doing well at this late end of the season. I'm down to the final few flowers here and spend a few minutes each day removing seedheads to clean up.
There's always next year - or our friends in cooler climes can, of course, keep our enjoyment in snowdrops satisfied for another while.
Paddy
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Hello Steve, did You get my mail???
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First narcissus flies spotted (and killed) today. Half a dozen flying around fast in the sunshine, bumping into each other and into the bumble bees, so I'm guessing early-rising males looking for females to mate with. Difficult to whack with the tennis racket, but they follow the same paths round and round the garden, so all I have to do is find a narrow gap between plants and shrubs that they fly though then wait in ambush and whack them as they go past. Takes some patience but worth it.
Also saw the first lily beetle yesterday. >:(
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Perhaps a badminton racket is advisable?! ;) You need to look at a change of sport Martin.
Lewis
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Hello Steve, did You get my mail???
Hagen
Yes thanks Hagen, but I'm away from home on business at present so I will send a proper reply when I get home on Friday. Best wishes
Steve
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My dream is to have a bit of woodland and plant small colonies of a range of species, sit back and wait for some hybridisation. Long term dream and a long wait to see what happens, but I love a project!
My dream too, Lewis. I have the wood (at least the small bit of it without the bluebells) and lots of nivalis. I've got a few Elwesii doing lots of interesting seeding around but have only got a few plicatus. They are relatively expensive and don't seem to be available anywhere in bulk. A lot of my nivalis are seeding, perhaps because I have mixed them up. I did notice that nivalis in our local churchyard do not seed so must have all been spread from one clone. I would be very happy to swap nivalis with anyone in the interests of genetic diversity (not that I know anything about genetics, technical posts about it on the forum make my brain turn to mush).
The most interesting nivalis wood I have seen was at Walsingham Abbey where singles and doubles were nicely mixed and producing 'inbetweeners' so this year I am going to distribute some singles among the doubles I bought from Cambo a few years ago.
Vivien, Lewis and others
I too love the idea of a wood with mixed species and varieties all crossing and producing a diversity of seedlings.
I have a large number of G. regina olgae ssp vernalis that I am happy to donate/swap. I believe there are several "clones" of this variety in existence. The ones in my garden flower with G. nivalis perhaps opening a week or so later but definitely with an overlapping season. The flowers are more dainty than G. nivalis but the most obvious difference is the "sheen" on the leaves, they seem more reflective than the nivalis leaves.
I have to admit to a degree of embarrassment about these, there were a few small patches in the garden when we moved in nearly 15 years ago. I assumed they were the common snowdrop. The clumps have been split and spread around the garden numerous times over the years. I have also been given G. nivalis and realised the two were different, but it wasn't until the meeting at Bennington Lordship earlier this year, that I realised what these drops were. John (Kent Gardener) gave away several varieties including RO ssp vernalis, and when I got mine home realised I allready had several hundred of these! ::) ::) ::) Several of the clumps need dividing again this year, so please drop me a PM if you would like some. They should certainly add to Vivien's genetic diversity. ;D
I usually wait till the leaves start to die down before dividing the clumps.
Chris
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It was so warm today Narcissus flies came to mind.
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It was so warm today Narcissus flies came to mind.
They came to my garden (see earlier post).
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First narcissus flies spotted (and killed) today.
It was so warm today Narcissus flies came to mind.
I'm not at all confident I would spot a narcissus fly. I don't suppose anyone could manage to catch one and photograph it before dispatching it?
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Galanthus plicatus
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First narcissus flies spotted (and killed) today.
It was so warm today Narcissus flies came to mind.
I'm not at all confident I would spot a narcissus fly. I don't suppose anyone could manage to catch one and photograph it before dispatching it?
Mark has photos. He's posted them somewhere on here before.
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First narcissus flies spotted (and killed) today.
It was so warm today Narcissus flies came to mind.
I'm not at all confident I would spot a narcissus fly. I don't suppose anyone could manage to catch one and photograph it before dispatching it?
There are several whole threads Alan:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1850.
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=204.0
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4405.0
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3690.0
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4297.0 Lesser Narcissus fly
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Galanthus plicatus
Hello Ru, welcome to the Forum. Good to see your galanthus looking good in the Ukraine. 8)
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I'm not at all confident I would spot a narcissus fly. I don't suppose anyone could manage to catch one and photograph it before dispatching it?
There are several whole threads Alan:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1850.
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=204.0
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4405.0
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3690.0
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4297.0 Lesser Narcissus fly
Thanks Maggi, but I don't feel any more confident. The large narcissus fly looks so like a bee that I'm not sure I could distinguish it. The small narcissus fly looks like a small nondescript fly. Apparently the sound they make in flight is very distinctive and easily recognised once you've heard it - but I never have. I have never yet found a bulb with a narcissus fly larva in it so I don't even know if it is a problem in these parts. Perhaps I need a recording of the sound they make rather than a photograph?
A few weeks ago I found two swift moth larvae in a pot and put them in a small tub intending to take photographs later. They 'ran' round and round the base of the tub and when they met one would try to take a bite out of the other so the result was that they fought each other to death in under an hour. For all I know they would be equally aggressive towards other competitors like narcissus fly larvae and so I only suffer from the one form of larvae and not both.
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Hello Ru, welcome to the Forum. Good to see your galanthus looking good in the Ukraine. 8)
Thank you Maggi. you have a remarkable forum. On results a journey there are many pictures to Crimea ;). For me and my friends from Odessa and Moscow. If there will be it you interestingly, we will do a report in the section of "Travel / Places to Visit"
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Hello Ru,
Welcome to the forum and thank you for the interesting G. plicatus with the good markings.
Photographs of your travels would be very interesting and most welcome.
Paddy
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Thank you Maggi. you have a remarkable forum. On results a journey there are many pictures to Crimea ;). For me and my friends from Odessa and Moscow. If there will be it you interestingly, we will do a report in the section of "Travel / Places to Visit"
Yes, please Ru :) :)
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Lovely galanthus Ru, I too would be delighted to see reports of your journeys. It would be very interesting :)
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Thanks Maggi, but I don't feel any more confident. The large narcissus fly looks so like a bee that I'm not sure I could distinguish it. The small narcissus fly looks like a small nondescript fly. Apparently the sound they make in flight is very distinctive and easily recognised once you've heard it - but I never have. I have never yet found a bulb with a narcissus fly larva in it so I don't even know if it is a problem in these parts. Perhaps I need a recording of the sound they make rather than a photograph?
Somewhere in all those links is another link... to a recording of the sound... I think it is on Hagens website.... I'll check later for theexact location if you don't find it first.....
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Thank you Maggi. you have a remarkable forum. On results a journey there are many pictures to Crimea ;). For me and my friends from Odessa and Moscow. If there will be it you interestingly, we will do a report in the section of "Travel / Places to Visit"
A report of your travels would indeed be good to have, Ru, thank you! We are hungry here for pictures to show us all sorts of wildflowers in nature.
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Somewhere in all those links is another link... to a recording of the sound... I think it is on Hagens website.... I'll check later for theexact location if you don't find it first.....
Like a bluebottle on speed....
http://www.garten-in-den-wiesen.de/bilder/galanthus/narzissenfliege/DSCN0003.WAV
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The very one, Malcolm, thanks.
Like a bluebottle on speed....
.....thought for a minute that you were describing your actions in finding the link so fast....... :-X ;)
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As usual in each year are my last snowdrops flowering my Galanthus platyphyllus :D
I have groups from two different locations in Georgia - but both flowering in same time :
Enjoy
Hans
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Lieber Hans,
schöne Bilder! They look fantastic!
Martina
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Hans they are lovely, but the one you label as G.p.ex-U-CU is stunning ;D
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I was really taken by the other one ("ex-U").
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Hi Martina ,Brian and Alan !
thank you for your friendly words ;D
now I have to wait until fall for the next snowdrop flowers ....
Hans 8)
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and so many...they are lovely
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and so many...they are lovely
Hi Loes ,
I have received those with "K" in year 2004 ....and those with "U" 2005 ....the multiplication is very slow ....
The first years i have tried to grow it in big pots but this was not so well :-\ now since they are in my border is it much better !
But this plants are really tricky !!!
Hans
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From amusing - here such form Galanthus plicatus with two flowers.
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A few pics from the garden today...
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and...
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and finally..
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Lovely pictures Steve,
Rushmere Green and Francesca de Grammont are particularly lovely.
I've only got a couple of late gracilis and one or two allenii in flower now. Have to wait until autumn from my next snowdrop hit at home.
Lewis
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Steve, beautiful pics of very special drops (especially so late in the snowdropseason in the West) ! It's nice to see some different snowdrops. Thanks for sharing them with us. We should say: keep on going ;) Making a choice is very difficult because one is more magnificent than the other ! Do you also have 'normal' snowdrops ? ::)
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and so many...they are lovely
Hi Loes ,
I have received those with "K" in year 2004 ....and those with "U" 2005 ....the multiplication is very slow ....
The first years i have tried to grow it in big pots but this was not so well :-\ now since they are in my border is it much better !
But this plants are really tricky !!!
Hans
Hans - You say platyphyllus is tricky. Can you tell us what it requires or more exactly what it does not like.
You certainly seem to have tamed the beast.
johnw
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Lovely snowdrops Steve
Rushmore Green is beautiful - such a lot of green.
I had a quick look today and all I have flowering is Washfield Warham, Galadriel & Baxendale's Late
All over for another year sadly. Now I need to get them all planted.
Here are a few photos of the raised bed I have created in the last few weeks. It has been hard work but I hope it is worth it. I have cleared the area of as many weeds and ground ivy that I could find. The soil is raised almost 2ft in the centre and probably needs more as it settles.
I was going to add other woodland plants to give a longer season of interest but I am so pushed for time now that I may just plant the whole lot in there in lattice pots and worry about them when I have more time to spare. It will be a very boring bed but at least they will be out of the net polytunnel where they are not happy in this recent warm weather.
1. Preparing the bed
2. Cleared of weeds and ready to top up with soil
3. Almost finished bed with topsoil, leafmould and compost from our compost heap. Will probably move the nivalis on the end when time permits.
Jennie
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and so many...they are lovely
Hi Loes ,
I have received those with "K" in year 2004 ....and those with "U" 2005 ....the multiplication is very slow ....
The first years i have tried to grow it in big pots but this was not so well :-\ now since they are in my border is it much better !
But this plants are really tricky !!!
Hans
Hans - You say platyphyllus is tricky. Can you tell us what it requires or more exactly what it does not like.
You certainly seem to have tamed the beast.
johnw
Hello John ,
thank you for your interest .
Here comes some information's :
G.platyphyllus are really difficult to grow - special in my area!
The first years I grow it in big pots ...it has not worked- never flowers ....
Then I put it in big pots for waterplants ( mesh pots with a lot of peat ) and plant it on the coolest and wettest spot in my garden ...now it grows !
The problem is also the weather - if we have a year when the winter is cold and long ( without any hot days ) so this plants grows fine ...but if in January is warm and dry so the plants emerge ...and later if comes again cold days so the plants stop ....and abort the buds .
My G.platyphyllus are from friends which have visit Georgia very often together with botanists - so they have reported me very precise about the conditions in habitat – they shows me also pics from the habitats.
If you look in the Galanthus book from A.Davis so there are pics from E.M.Rix from the habitat –they grows on a very high pass ( around 2400 m altitude )....the snow is very long on this highest point of Georgia ...then in May it is smelting and the area is very wet .....soon as the Galanthus are ready with flowering comes a lot perennials and cover all ....so there are again wet conditions ....and in September /October again starts with snowing .
I hope this will give you some ideas what this plants like ...
Regards
Hans
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Steve, do you also have 'normal' snowdrops ? ::)
Yes, but none still in flower! (apart from Baxendales Late).
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Good to see Rushmere Green Steve and Francesca de Grammont is indeed lovely :D
Thanks for the low down on platyphyllus Hans, always good to know how people achieve success 8)
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Good to see there are still lots in flower.
From today my platyphyllus, St Annes, nivalis Tatjana and a very nice green striped Kurt Kleisa.
Platyphyllus can be put in sunny spot in the garden but do cover it with peat and give it in a dry spring some water, the same procedure with krasnovii.
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Lovely pictures Gerard,
I couldn't keep my G. platyphyllus going at all. Just wasn't ever happy in my garden.
Love the picture of Tatjana (not a plant I know) and Kurt Kleisa has such bold markings on the outers.
Do you use any particular compost when growing your Galanthus in trays?
Lewis
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Lewis i do use light fertilised peat and lots of horsemanor and of course the SiO2 in several forms.
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Perhaps a badminton racket is advisable?! ;) You need to look at a change of sport Martin.
Lewis
Have borrowed a badminton racket and my narcissus fly hit-rate has gone up very nicely. Much faster and more accurate. :)
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Glad to hear it Martin.
I wish you continued success.
Lewis
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Ru those are stunning snowdrops!
Alan you cant mistake a Narcissus fly for a bee. One moves very fast and one very slow. One is fat and hairy and one is like a hairy blow fly. They come in three colours pale brown, all black and black white and brown
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Lewis i do use light fertilised peat and lots of horsemanor and of course the SiO2 in several forms.
Gerard - Interesting. One of the books and the Slovenian book mention Galanthus do not colonize manured pastures but stop at the forest edge in such situations. I have so far avoided putting well-rotted manure near Galanthus. I wonder if others use manure successfully and without ill-effect.
Your platyphyllus looks happy enough, does it and kranovii require a moister spot?
johnw
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My rather common snowdrops have flowered for a while but today the sun was strong enough when I arrived home to take some pictures. But, as I say, just ordinary things, no exciting specimens. However I don't know the names either ;D
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I do not grow them in pots either but in the shrub- and woodland part of the garden.
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G.Fieldgate Superb
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Mark, thanks for the pictures of Narcissus fly. I must learn to recognize them. Last year I found a number of grubs in my Narcissus bulbs.
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Gerard - Interesting. One of the books and the Slovenian book mention Galanthus do not colonize manure pastures but stop at the forest edge in such situations. I have so far avoided putting well-rotted manure near Galanthus. I wonder if others use manure successfully and without ill-effect.
Your platyphyllus looks happy enough, does it and kranovii require a moister spot?
johnw
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When you cover the bulbs after planting with a 5 cm peat, the soil wont dry out and its good for the soil too. The horsemanor can be used fresh or a bit rotted and has to be worked through the topsoil, i have equipment for it behind my tractor. But instead of the peat you can use the manor too as a topsoilcover. The big profit of horsemanor is there are very little elements in it and its good for the soilenvironment and lots of activity from worms etc.
Forgot to explain only HORSEmanor and nothing else from other animals.
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Perhaps a badminton racket is advisable?! ;) You need to look at a change of sport Martin.
Lewis
Have borrowed a badminton racket and my narcissus fly hit-rate has gone up very nicely. Much faster and more accurate. :)
You only need a net to start a game ;D
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Last snowdrop in my garden: Ruth Birchall
Time to say farewell for this season ... :'(
Best wishes
Thomas
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Just catching up with the last few days posts - what a busy little thread this has been!
Welcome to the forum Ru - I like the plicatus with the green mark on the outer petals. I too will be very interested to read about your travels.
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Perhaps a badminton racket is advisable?! ;) You need to look at a change of sport Martin.
Lewis
Have borrowed a badminton racket and my narcissus fly hit-rate has gone up very nicely. Much faster and more accurate. :)
Would a squash racket be more suitable for the task ;) ;D
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Thank you for the snowdrop pictures Hans, Natalia, Steve, Gerard, Trond, Davey and Thomas. I have my last 4 things in flower here. As Thomas says: nearly "Time to say farewell for this season ... " :'(
Jennie - the new bed is taking shape nicely. 8)
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Hello Gerd,
we've had a few problems with horse manure in this country. Much of it has been contaminated by herbicide, used by farmers to suppress broad leaved weeds in their fields from which the hay is made to feed the horses. Many gardeners have found that the horse manure kills their plants. It has to be left in a field for several years before the poison disappears. :( :( :( The further problem is that one can't tell which manure is bad and which is good. I have a number of allotments where I grow fruit and vegetables. We used to have a large truck of manure every year to improve the soil. Now we have lots of large piles of unused manure lying around, waiting to decontaminate. People no longer want to take the risk.
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Hello Maren,
Never thought of that, i get my manor from a hobbyfarmer on the other side of the road. But a herbicide that stays active for several years, sounds like that they have used very heavy stuff. Normally a herbicide is a contactpoison, it might get adapted by the hay too but it doesn't kill the hay, but even then they have used large quantities of it. It could also be possible that the extra food besides the hay is too rich with elements and snowdops dont like that.
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Hello,
since you have been discussing the culture of G.platyphyllus: I am quite successful with this species at least so far. I ordered it by Janis two years ago, last year it had one flower, this year four. In general the microclimate of my garden is very warm, but i chose a site with half sunny/half shade conditions for G. platyphyllus. It is the coolest part of my garden, and between October and the beginning of March the soil hardly gets direct sunlight, so the soil stays cool quite long in spring. The leaves emerge very late in the middle of march.
Olaf
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Thanks everyone for the show of flowers. Mine are now over except for one that came up this week. It's a very small elwesii elwesii.
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Cheers for that Olaf,when i get mine i have just the right spot for it.
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thanks Hans and Olaf for the info on galanthus platyphyllus
I`ll give it a try,I`ve got the wet spot for it,in partly shade
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No need yet to say "goodbye" - in our gardens has not been said "hello galanthus" !
Snow has more than 0,5 meters and up to flowering of snow drops - at least 2-3 weeks ...
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Natalia - We too are having nights slightly below freezing but the snowdrop season started about two weeks ago. As mentioned before many of the buds were well above ground before winter struck in January. With below normal temperatures the Galanthus may last some time this year. So no goodbyes to the wet-knees season just yet.
johnw
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Ident required on the pictures below please.
I was given them as G. 'Straffan' and they have performed very well, being small and nivalis like, generally having two scapes per bulb when established, but doesn't look like images of other plants named Straffan that I have seen.
Any ideas? Are they just a good, quite limey coloured nivalis, or could they yet be Straffan?
P.S. The plants have all gone over. These pics were from a few weeks back.
Thanks,
Lewis
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What a pity Lewis, but your STRAFFAN don`t look like the original STRAFFAN. Here is a pic of the original. Compare the sinus please.
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You're right Hagen. Similar, but not the same.
Still it is a good doer, so the quest goes on as to what it really is and I now need to get myself the REAL Straffan.
Thanks for posting your pic Hagen. Much appreciated.
Lewis
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A few double nivalis from today, the last is a funny little elwesii from store-bought Dutch stock.
johnw - +2c and blazing sunshine
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Hi Boyed,
Lots of flower. They look great. Is G. artjuschenkoae what I'd call G. transcaucasicus? There seems to be a few yellows in there?! I struggle to get mine to flower at all.
Good late display. Have you had a particularly late or cold winter?
Regards,
Lewis
No, it is not transcaucasicus. it is separate species, quite vigorous, but doesn't like replanating and harvesting. After replanting it needs a year or two to perform its best. So the first year after replanting it is ususally less vigorous, short and some speciemen show some yellow, which is not permanent feauture. Unlike this species, galanthus alpinus, doen't mind relpanting at all and always looks in its best. This spring was about 10 days late here in our region.
We have quite cold winters, in February the temperature can drop until -25 C for several days.
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Lovely drops Zhirair. Are these planted in your garden? I like the shape of the flowers and also interested to see how yellow some of them are. 8)
Yes, they are planted in my garden. I planted some small bulbs, now the second year i have them and this season most of them are in bloom.
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Hello Zhirair, very interesting species. Spring goes to east ;). Our season is in best time now. Do you have some close up views please?
Hagen, I didn't make close up photos, as that day I photographed with my mobile. Tomorrow I will take my camera and will make a some close ups for you. I am quite lazy lately with taking pix.
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Thanks Zhirair,
Great plants and looking forward to seeing your close up pictures. Thanks for the information, much appreciated. Is there a big bulb sales/swap market in Armenia?
Thanks,
Lewis
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Hi Zhirair - again on Forum! :)
Here few snowdrops, still bvlooming in greenhouse due very cold weather. Today all the day was snowing.
The first - Galanthus transcaucasicus from Iran
Then Galanthus angustifolius
Galanthus kemulariae
and as last - G. nivalis 'Poculi Perfect'
Janis
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Lovely pictures Janis,
Great to see the foliage on G. transcaucasius in such detail.
Lewis
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A few nivalis from today while the sun is out.
johnw - +8c
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Thank you Janis and JohnW for your late pics. The music (of the bells) is over. Here we can shut the doors.
Some late greetings with our favourites:
LINIENTREU - only green lines never green spots.
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DES ZAUBERERS LEHRLING - a little apprentice of the great master MERLIN
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MÄRZEN`S MAIGRÜN - a yellowgreen color
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Hagen,
I think you are becoming the specialist of the green-marked snowdrops! You certainly seem to like them very much and have a wonderful selection.
They all look very nice.
Paddy
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Some beautifully marked snowdrops there Hagen, G.Linientreu is very nicely marked. Thanks for showing us.
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Hagen - Some very special ones there, seems you are quite the Zauberer. Thanks for posting, we have to keep these sleepy Galanthophiles awake these days.
johnw
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Beautiful Hagen. Are these all selections from woodland nivalis populations or have some been raised in gardens from deliberate crosses?
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If any of the green snowdrops you've shown are from deliberate crosses, especially if they're inter-species hybrids, I'd be interested to know their parentage. What little hybridising I've done using snowdrops with virescent and green-tipped outers have so far produced disappointing results. I'm starting to wonder if the gene for green outer segment markings might be recessive, like the gene for yellow markings, so that it is necessary to cross two parents with green outers to get green-outer seedlings.
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Do you use Virescens as a parent Martin?
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Do you use Virescens as a parent Martin?
I have crossed plicatus with Virescens, but all I get is small hybrids with no green on the outers.
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I will have to back-cross them with Virescens or other virescent or green-tip snowdrops.
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I should have mentioned that I have also tried using Virescens as a seed parent but it doesn't set seed for me. Some green-tip and virescent snowdrops are said to be sterile triploids, so that may be the problem.
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I've also recently used Green Mile pollen in crosses, but those seedlings are still very small and won't flower for some years yet. I wish I'd saved some of the Green Mile pollen to use for pollinating the plicatus x Virescens seedlings. Getting pollen of the best green snowdrops is always a problem, especially when they're not yet available commercially. The woes of a snowdrop breeder - sterile triploids and unavailable selected cultivars! :-\
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Hagen, you may have missed my question about your green-outers-marked snowdrops. I was interested to know if any of them are garden-raised hybrids or if they are all pure nivalis. And if any are hybrids, then whether you know anything about what the parents were? My own attempts at raising seedlings with green outers have not yet been very successful.
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Hello Martin, I believe I cannot give a real answer to your problem. My green galanthus stand side by side in the garden. So wind and bees can work very easy. I never crossed the flowers by myself. A few of the younger seedlings have also green marks. I believe you will find "greens" easier in the second generation. The parents could be only G. nivalis, especially G. nivalis virescens, GREENISH, GRÜNER SPLITTER, GRÜNE WALDFEE, HUGH MACKENZIE, and a few nameless discoveries of myself. Plicatus and elwesii are standing in another part of the garden.
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Thank you Hagen. Your answer is very helpful. If you have all your "greens" close together and away from other snowdrops,and you are getting green seedlings from them, then it's most likely (as you say) that they are inter-crossing, nivalis "greens" with nivalis "greens". This suggests that it may be necessary to cross "green" with "green" to get green seedlings. And I think you are right - with my hybrid crosses I will get more greens in the second generation when I back-cross with greens. You are obviously lucky in having some fertile "greens" that set seed!
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Paddy, Brian, JohnW, yes I love the greens so much. But I`m only a green boy in all the important things of galanthus and never a green Zauberer.
Like I told to Martin, in my long time of Galanthophilie, now I found the one or other green seedling in my garden.
Here is a small but heavy green seedling, blooming the first time. He could have a good future.
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Paddy, Brian, JohnW, yes I love the greens so much. But I`m only a green boy in all the important things of galanthus and never a green Zauberer.
Like I told to Martin, in my long time of Galanthophilie, now I found the one or other green seedling in my garden.
Here is a small but heavy green seedling, blooming the first time. He could have a good future.
Remarkable Galanthus!!!
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Lovely greens as always Hagan :P
Nice to see that Canada is keeping us entertained - and other parts of Europe are yet to start. :)
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Don't know what's happening here. My remark about April Fool's Day (now vanished) was because there was a picture just before or just after KentGardener'spost, in which the two main flowers were distinctly pink. That picture has vanished too, as have all the Galanthus posts in my Inbox, and the new April thread as well! ???
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Your April Fool's Day remark, and the pink 'drops all moved to the new Galanthus Apiril thread, :
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7018.0
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Thanks Maggi. Everything to do with Galanthus has gone (perhaps a subconscious wish on my part) so I've gone back to the main Forum Index to start over. ::)