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Title: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Thomas Huber on August 02, 2007, 02:30:48 PM
Hello everybody. Returning from Austria I have made some photos
which I want to share with you:

The most impressive hike lead us to Lüner-See above Brand on 1900m.
The cablecar station was the start for many trails. Our first destination
was the Totalphütte - 2385m.

Maybe the alpine experts can help me with the missing names, please!?

1 - Hubi above Lünersee
2 - Doronicum grandiflorum
3 - Dryas octopetala
4 - Silene acaulis
5 - Silene acaulis and Viola calcarata
6 - Thlaspi rotundifolium and Saxifraga ?
7 - Viola calcarata and Saxifraga ?
8 - Gentiana orbicularis (thanks to Franz for ID)
9 - Gentiana orbicularis
10 - Tanja above Lünersee

Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Maggi Young on August 02, 2007, 02:42:55 PM
Super pictures, Thomas. Especially the Dryas one, for very selfish SRGC reasons, of course!
I see that one of your friends, behind Tanja , to the left, has a big strap on his knee... from so many hills, I suppose :-\
I see a nice little joke from Totalphütte.... in scottish this could become 'total footer' since we would lose the 'p'.... and the joke comes after one has climbed to 2385m... one is then "totally footered"... quite  confused and exhausted!! ;D
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: annew on August 02, 2007, 03:17:03 PM
Great photos of a beautiful place - thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Thomas Huber on August 02, 2007, 03:30:21 PM
No, Maggi that wasn't one of our friend, he came  on the photo only by coincidence.
But MY knee has ached very bad on the way back home. I have bought some
walking sticks to help me down the hills. This helped, but now I'm feeling years
older, because I've never needed a stick  :-\

Some more photos from the way to Totalphütte:

1 - Meadow near Totalphütte
2 - Campanula cochlearifolia (thanks to Franz for ID)
3 - Campanula cochlearifolia
4 - Campanula cochlearifolia
5 - Ranunculus alpestris
6 - Rhododendron hirsutum
7 - Saxifraga caesia
8 - Saxifraga ?
9 - Saxifraga aizoides
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Thomas Huber on August 02, 2007, 03:43:10 PM
While we went further to Gamsluggen on the the Swiss-border
Chris and Celine enjoyed the children care in the hotel:

1 - Chris and his "band" in the Lagant Hotel / Brand
2 - Myosotis alpestris (thanks to Franz for ID)
3 - Meadow with Viola calcarata, Dryas octopetala and Saxifraga ?
4 - Globularia cordifolia
5 - The ascent to Gamsluggen
6 - View from Gamsluggen to Switzerland
7 - ?
8 - Hutchinsia alpine (thanks to Franz for ID)
9 - ?
10 - Hutchinsia alpine
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Maggi Young on August 02, 2007, 03:44:16 PM
Yes, Thomas, it is  going downhill that is the problem!! :P Remember, you are always younger than us, so it is just a sign that you are a grown-up now that your knees are sore!

So many seedheads of the Dryas in the meadow.....what a pretty sight. The Campanulas are so familiar but SO lovely, wherever they grow.
I would have thought the Ranunculus would be over by that time, nice to see it, too.


Your unknown last Saxifraga in the post  "reply no 3"above is S. aizoides...... see Peter's thread for more.....      http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=670.msg15467#msg15467
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Thomas Huber on August 02, 2007, 03:49:39 PM
Thanks for the Sax-ID, Maggi.

This was the only place we found Ranunculus, I think the snow has melted very late there,
because it was a north facing wall.

I have lots of campanulas in my garden, too, but to see them in the wild, especially in
which conditions they grow in always impressive!!

Otto, on our phone call this morning you requested to send some photos of my
children, well, here they are:

1 - Chris and Celine near Lake Vermunt
2 - Celine on a hike above Bieler Höhe
3 - Chris above Silvretta Lake
4 - Aconitum napellus and ? near Bieler Höhe
5 - Alpine meadow
6 - Hieracium intybaceum (thanks Franz for ID in Peters thread!)
7 - Many curves on the way to Bieler Höhe
8 - Gentiana nivalis
9 - Gentianella campestris
10 - Chris after an exhausting hike
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Thomas Huber on August 02, 2007, 04:12:26 PM
I have just noticed that my two cheeky monkeys in the mountains
look like Heidi and Peter by Johanna Spyri  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: admin on August 02, 2007, 04:22:32 PM
Your unknown last Saxifraga in the post  "reply no 3"above is S. aizoides

Here it is growing in Scotland (near Glenshee) - it's quite common but seems to prefer wetter  places. This is classic - on a wet streambank with lots of spray

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Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Maggi Young on August 02, 2007, 05:03:07 PM
All they need for Heidi and Peter are these:
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and look at the name of the ownwer of the site where I found these baby goats....http://www.joehubers.com/images/photos/redbarngoats.jpg    .... a relative perhaps!!
Quote
History of the Joe Huber Family Farm

Simon Huber migrated from Baden-Baden, Germany in 1843 and settled in Starlight, Indiana with apple trees ready to plant.  The seventh generation of Huber's now live here in Starlight.

;D ;)
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: ranunculus on August 02, 2007, 07:47:27 PM
Wonderful images Thomas!
Many thanks for posting (especially the Ranunculus, of course, but that goes without saying)!
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 02, 2007, 11:23:26 PM
Thomas, you must have had a wonderful holiday. Many thanks for sharing it with us. I think many of the photos are worthy of the AGS photographic competition. You'll have to join AGS :D We'd love some more pictures too.
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: tonyg on August 03, 2007, 12:37:51 AM
WOW Thomas - I just wish we could have been with you all.   Can we sort it for next year?   I hope so!!
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Olga Bondareva on August 03, 2007, 07:26:01 AM
I like happy racket-band.  :D

Thomas, thanks for great photos and beautiful plants.
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: ranunculus on August 03, 2007, 07:56:48 AM
Certainly NOT a 'lonely goatherd' Maggi?
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Thomas Huber on August 03, 2007, 11:09:00 AM
Thanks for the compliments everyone.

Tony, I also hope for a meeting next year - if we find a common date!
Chris and Celine had some friends from Ireland in the hotel, and although
they didn't understand one another it went really well.

Maggi I don't have a Heidi and Peter photo with sheep, but I have this one:

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1 - Waterfalls in the Sarottlavalley
2 - Waterfalls in the Sarottlavalley
3 - Breakfast in Sarottlavalley
4 - View down to the Brandnervalley
5 - Alvierriver
6 - Anthericum liliago (thanks Olga and Hans for ID)
7 - Aconitum napellus
8 - wonderful Alba form of Campanula latifolia - more than 1m tall
9 -     "                               "
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Olga Bondareva on August 03, 2007, 11:47:51 AM
6 - Anthericum liliago?

8, 9 - Campanula latifolia f. Alba?
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Hans J on August 03, 2007, 12:10:40 PM
Yes - it is a Anthericum !
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Thomas Huber on August 03, 2007, 01:16:05 PM
Thanks Olga and Hans for ID!
I've already updated the list above.

Here some more photos:
1 - beautiful rockwall in Brand
2 - rock avalanche above Palüd barrack
3 - Globularia cordifolia
4 - Orchidmeadow above Palüd
5 - Eriophorum scheuchzeri  (thanks to Franz for ID)
6 - View to Palüd cablecar station
7 - Scene from Bürser canyon
8 - Little rock in Bürser canyon
9 - Astrantia major (thanks to Olga for ID)
10 - Orobanche elatior (thanks to Maggi for ID)
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Olga Bondareva on August 03, 2007, 01:23:33 PM
3 – Jasione laevis?
9 – Astrantia major
10 – parasite orchid

Marvelous Eriophorum!
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Maggi Young on August 03, 2007, 01:41:27 PM
Very much enjoying these photos, Thomas, thank you!
I think that photo 10, the parasitic plant may be Orobanche elatior.
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Olga Bondareva on August 03, 2007, 02:01:26 PM
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=674.0;attach=24257 - Globularia cordifolia?

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=674.0;attach=24377 - the same or one of other Globularias. Sorry I didn't saw leaf.

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=674.0;attach=24223 and the nex - Gentiana verna?
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Thomas Huber on August 03, 2007, 02:35:29 PM
Olga, what I've learnt from Tony during our meetin in Switzerland 2005 is,
that these kind of Gentians are present with 7 different species in the alps with
similar flowers, all together called the verna-group. So I'm not 100% sure
with your ID  :-\
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Olga Bondareva on August 03, 2007, 02:48:52 PM
Are you sure with Globularia?  ;)

I look to Flora Helvetica with good images for each species. According to it your Gentiana is close to verna. But of course I could be wrong. Similar gentian species are difficult in identification. Wish I was botanist.  :(
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Maggi Young on August 03, 2007, 02:56:32 PM
Thomas, to me also, your no. 3, looks more like Jasione laevis than a Globularia ::)
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Thomas Huber on August 03, 2007, 03:05:17 PM
I tend to Globularia
Maggi have a look at the 4th photo
of the 3rd batch, which is the same plant.
Let's wait what the other experts have to say.

The Gentian could be brachyphylla?
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Maggi Young on August 03, 2007, 03:18:53 PM
Ah, this photo, Thomas?
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I see the foliage here, yes, it does seem a Globularia! Sorry! :-[
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Olga Bondareva on August 03, 2007, 03:24:32 PM
Long stems at http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=674.0;attach=24377 confused me at first. But leaf at the background is of Globularia not Jasione.
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: hadacekf on August 03, 2007, 08:24:43 PM
Thomas,
Your beautiful pictures shows following plants!

5 -  = Eriophorum angustifolium  =  Eriophorum scheuchzeri
2007-07-18-91 + 94   =  Hutchinsia alpine
2 + 3 + 4  =  Campanula cochlearifolia
2007-07-18-49  =  Doronicum grandiflorum
8 + 9  =   Gentiana orbicularis
2007-07-18-56  =  Myosotis alpestris
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Thomas Huber on August 04, 2007, 08:43:47 AM
Servus Franz and many thanks for your help,
especially clearing the Gentian riddle, about which
I had hot discussions with Olga.
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Olga Bondareva on August 04, 2007, 09:00:12 AM
 ;)

Franz, thank you very much! May I ask you about method of gentian identification of verna group and acaulis group? I can clear identify only one "verna":
(http://photofile.ru/photo/olga_bond/2945484/small/59827855.jpg)
http://photofile.ru/users/olga_bond/2945484/59827855/#mainImageLink
(http://tvoysad.ru/forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif)
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Rafa on August 04, 2007, 04:52:56 PM
Fantastic pics Thomas, many thanks for sharing,

Rafa.
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: hadacekf on August 04, 2007, 08:45:59 PM
Olga,
Here is a very short gentian identification.

Gentiana verna:
The leaves on the basal rosettes measure over half an inch in length and are two to three times as long as broad; in shape they are elliptic-lanceolate  and are broadest at the middle; at the tips they are pointed and are narrowed at the bases.


Gentiana obicularis:
These leaves are thick and fleshy and measure about a third of an inch in length and about half that in breadth. I shape they are rhomboid with short points and narrowed at the base.

Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Olga Bondareva on August 11, 2007, 03:21:16 PM
Franz
Thanks a lot! I see you have botanic key to gentian species.
Title: Re: Impressions around Brandner Valley / Austria
Post by: Paul T on August 14, 2007, 01:52:05 AM
Thomas,

Only just caught up with this thread.  Fantastic pics!!  8)  Just like being there, well almost.
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