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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: art600 on February 10, 2011, 06:00:52 PM
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I would appreciate help in identifying these two Iranian Fritillarias currently in bloom in the bulb house.
The last shot is a general view of part of the Frit section of the bulb house - wonderful what a few days of sunshine will do.
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I don't know the id of your frits Art but can i ask about the pot in centre-ish you planted the bulbs to the sides of the pot can i ask why?and what species is it?
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What a lovely display you are going to have and so tidy. Looking forward to see some more when they flower.
Angie :)
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Davey
They are Fritillaria pinardii and I really do not know why they have done this - I certainly did not plant them around the edge.
Angie
thank you for your comment - I only wish the garden was as tidy. Have made a special effort with the bulb house and the plants have benfitted.
Will post shots of all that flower. the area you can see represents about a third of my collection.
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Do they have any heating, mine are so far behind yours. I only have a little in pots. I have started growing in pots as I was fed up of them going missing from the garden. Wasn't sure if it was mice or squirrels but was always left with a nice neat hole. I have got the mice under control now ( stopped using bird food that had a lot of waste )
You have a good collection, looking forward to your posts.
Angie :)
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Angie
There is no heating. The bulb house is at the bottom of my garden, a long way to take electricity.
Everything seems to survive even though I live in a frost pocket. The pots are not plunged - they stand on a base of sand (approx 12 inches deep) to provide somewhere for the roots to grow into.
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Thanks for the information. I suppose you are a long way from us and much warmer . I have mine in a cold frame. I think tomorrow I will move them to the polytunnel, they probally would get more light there and a bit more warmth.
Enjoy your day tomorrow I just noticed that you are going to get a lovely 13c and we are only getting 5c :'( your bulbs will enjoy the warmth.
Angie :)
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As long as we do not have the rain that usually accompanies the warmer weather at this time of year. Need to weed and it is no fun in the rain.
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Fritillaria ariana, F. chitralensis (new from Janis last year) and F. striata today.
Cheers,
Alex
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Alex,
All 3 are brilliant, but I just LOVE the colouration of the ariana. Never seen a frit like that before. :o
Thanks for posting.
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Alex
lovely F.ariana is possible to see a photo of the plant
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A couple more Frits flowering today.
The first two shots show Frits from the same location - unknown frit.
The third shot is also an unknown frit.
Last shot is of Fritillaria uva vulpis 'Kew Form'
Would appreciate any suggestions
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And oh..... that photo of F. koidzumiana!!! in the latest Frit Group bulletin. What a stunning plant. 8)
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An impressive array Arthur, Alex. Nothing that advanced here. Fritillaria ariana still in tight bud !
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art600 it looks like as Frit. elwesii what we grow
Wim
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art600 it looks like as Frit. elwesii what we grow
Wim
I agree, almost certainly F. elwesii. The anthers are characteristic; very thick.
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Hi Alessandro, here is a (poor, sorry) picture of the whole plant, as well as another, better form of ariana and striata, now with flowers open.
Alex
Edit by maggi to rotate first pic of bench with F. ariana - now pic 3
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Thank you, Maggi...much better
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Some Frits today - another F. ariana and a sp. from the Rhinopetalum section acquired from Janis - it's very pretty even though the flowers are small, can anyone put a name to it?
Alex
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F. bucharica perhaps.
Is that orange one in your second pic Corydalis sewerzowii Alex?
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Yes, next to C. macrocentra.
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Anybody any idea about this rather plain Frit from China? Is this F. thunbergii?
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I think so but thunbergii often has more defined checkering and tendrils at the leaf tips.
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Could be a thunbergii... they're very variable :-X
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Thanx Lesley and Maggi, that means I am gonna move it to the garden and take it out of the pot. It is not terribly exciting and if it is thunbergii, it should do fine in the border. One pot less to worry about.... ;)
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Apropos F. thunbergii, Flora of China states that the style (which unfortunately is absent in the photo) is 3-lobed, & the seed capsule is broadly winged; the upper leaves (not visible) are slightly cirrose, ie tendril-like.
While this could be F. thunbergii, I don't think we have sufficient information for a definite identification.
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Apropos F. thunbergii, Flora of China states that the style (which unfortunately is absent in the photo) is 3-lobed, & the seed capsule is broadly winged; the upper leaves (not visible) are slightly cirrose, ie tendril-like.
While this could be F. thunbergii, I don't think we have sufficient information for a definite identification.
Just went to the glasshouse to check but the style is completely absent in this particular flower, will check when the second one opens (no more flowers). If not thunbergii, what possible other species can there be for China that look sort of like this Gerry?
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Apropos F. thunbergii, Flora of China states that the style (which unfortunately is absent in the photo) is 3-lobed, & the seed capsule is broadly winged; the upper leaves (not visible) are slightly cirrose, ie tendril-like.
While this could be F. thunbergii, I don't think we have sufficient information for a definite identification.
Just went to the glasshouse to check but the style is completely absent in this particular flower, will check when the second one opens (no more flowers). If not thunbergii, what possible other species can there be for China that look sort of like this Gerry?
Pascal - The best known form of F. thunbergii is the plant that was widely grown for years as F. verticillata & the flowers of this (possibly a single clone) look somewhat different to those of yours. However, fritillaries are extremely variable & notoriously difficult to identify, especially from photographs. So, without going through the whole Flora of China, I hesitate to make any definite pronouncements on identity. You could look for your self:
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=113029
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The small Fritillaria pudica flowering here now.
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A couple of pictures of a fritillaria from Arthur which he thinks may be a new species
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What a wonderful frit Tony!
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A couple of pictures of a fritillaria from Arthur which he thinks may be a new species
:) ;D :)
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Arthur
you must be home? I hope you are pleased with it. A second bulb with a single flower will open in the next couple of days and so I will try for seed
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I will try to post some further shots - think I might have one with 4 flowers. Have not had luck with seed so far, although I sowed some last year.
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Tony & Arthur - a handsome plant, it would be interesting to know its provenance.
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What a little gem it is. :P
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What a wonderful plant. As Gerry says, it would be interesting to know something about its provenance.
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It was a conservation effort from Iran where a new road was to be built.
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From the NW?
It really is a beauty Arthur, and well grown Tony.
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It's similar to F. poluninii to my eye - very desirable, whatever it is.
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Hi I am Colin and this is my first post. I live in Staines Middx UK and my main interest is Fritillaria and I though you might like to see some of my Rhinopetalums that are in flower.
Colin
F. ariana
F. gibbosa (1)
F. gibbosa (2)
F. gibbosa (3)
F. karelinii x gibbosa
F. rhinopetalum undecided
F. sp. PULKHAKIM
(edit by maggi to add picture names to text to enable the search facility to find them.)
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Welcome Colin, and thanks for a great post. The first of many we hope.
Beautiful crystalline quality to the petals.
Are the hybrids your own, and if so do you see much variation?
And can you tell us any more about the last two?
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A warm welcome to you Colin....super frits.... a couple of weeks at least ahead of ours in N.E. Scotland!
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Welcome to the forum Colin. A lovely & interesting collection.
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Yes the rhinopetalum undecided was pollen from a white gibbosa of Kath Dryden’s onto one of my plants which like an idiot I did not keep a record of which one I used. As to variation that is the first flower of only two that germinated.
The karelinii x gibbosa is actually a sibling cross of my own. The parents came to me as seed labelled as karelinii which when they flowered I was not sure about and when Martin Rix was asked about them he said he thought they were a hybrid with gibbosa. As to variation with these there seems to be very little.
The Pulkhakim is the plant that Janis Ruksans brought into cultivation. Mine I think is a seed raised plant as the stem is not as papillose as other plants I have seen.
Colin
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Beautiful plants Colin. You are obviously skilled with this tricky group. And as the others have said already, a warm welcome to the Forum. Hopefully your fritillaria interest will expand to include many other genera. :D
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Nice plants, Colin.
Can you or any other Frit. expert shed light on the identity of the plant in the first two images below? It was bought last year as Fritillaria sp. Afghanistan.
Also, F. euboeica and F. ariana.
Alex
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I should add re: the mystery species, it was billed as a new Rhinopetalum that doesn't fit with any of the known ones....you be the judge.
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A mouth watering selection Alex, a couple of rhinopetalums flowering here Fritillaria karalinii and Fritillaria ariana
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Colin and Alex wonderful plants
Here is a frit from the the Tendurek Pass in NE Turkey
Fritillaria crassifolia
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Some Frits flowering here outside now:
Fritillaria caucasica
Fritillaria stenanthera
and Fritillaria verticilliata 'Kara-Sumbe'
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Very nice Wim. Do these live outside permanently?
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Very nice Wim. Do these live outside permanently?
Thanks Gerry,
F. caucasica grows outside permanently and F. stenanthera and F. verticilliata are grown in a bulb frame.
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Ahead of the Fritillaria Group spring Meeting at Wisley on Sunday, I thought I would show some of the frits in my bulb house.
First an image of two Frits won in the auction - on the left olivieri and on the right reuteri
The second shows a Frit that was won in a raffle last year and purports to be Fritillaria crassifolia kurdica 'Wisley Form' There is only one bulb, but curiously there are two plants of very different stature in the pot. Has anyone else experienced this?
Three more images of Frit spec. nova
Can someone identify the last two.
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Curtis's Botanical Magazine March 2011 issue (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/curt.2011.28.issue-1/issuetoc) includes an article by Martyn Rix and colleagues on F. usuriensis.
For anyone interested in this topic they cite a summary of fritillaria use in Chinese traditional medicine (http://www.itmonline.org/arts/fritillaria.htm).
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Arthur, I think the last photó look to me Frit. carica
Wim
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Arthur - I agree with Wim.
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Fritillaria pontica today.
johnw
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Wonderful photos from all!
Here is Fritillaria persica in its southest location in Israel:
There are many colors forms.
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F. recurva starting to open today.
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Frillaria pontica today.
johnw
This seems very early. Have you been cooking them John?
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This seems very early. Have you been cooking them John?
Gerry - Not quite oven temperatures in the greenhouse - circa 15c but this one comes up early.
johnw
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nice pictures from all,
here my first:
Fritillaria stenanthera ( with Corydalis maracandica )
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Fritillaria tubiformis
From Frit Group seed. The real colour is rather more reddish.
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I've always admired tubiformis Gerry but I've never been able to get it to flowering size. I believe it needs moisture in summer? One for the frame possibly.
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I only grow one Frit, meleagris, which flowers every year in my garden with the minimum of attention but never seems to bulk up (maybe as a result of lack of attention!)
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You know David, I see meleagris and I always think that it can be underrated just because it is so widespread and lacks 'rarity value' but just look at it and you realise that it is possibly the most beautiful frit of all.
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I think all Frits. Have their charms common or rare like these four.
F. davisii 1, F. davisii 2, F. davisii 3 and F. drenovskii
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You know David, I see meleagris and I always think that it can be underrated just because it is so widespread and lacks 'rarity value' but just look at it and you realise that it is possibly the most beautiful frit of all.
Darren, I agree but it doesn't stop me from lusting over some of the ones I see on these pages ;D
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Beautiful plants all.
Every year I fall in love with this one again, common and easy as it is:
F. meleagris
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I've always admired tubiformis Gerry but I've never been able to get it to flowering size. I believe it needs moisture in summer? One for the frame possibly.
I keep this in an open sand plunge so it gets whatever the weather delivers. I might add that this plant is the only survivor from the original sowing.
I agree that F. meleagris is one of the most attractive. It's good that it is widely available & easy to grow.
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I only grow one Frit, meleagris, which flowers every year in my garden with the minimum of attention but never seems to bulk up (maybe as a result of lack of attention!)
David perhaps it is your climate and soil. I bought a couple of packets from the Supermarket about five years ago and now in my wet heavy soil it is a weed.
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I only grow one Frit, meleagris, which flowers every year in my garden with the minimum of attention but never seems to bulk up (maybe as a result of lack of attention!)
I do not remember it bulking up when I grew it successfully a few years ago but it did increase through self sown seedlings. With all the wet down your way it should be easy from seed. I lost (track of) mine when we started a family :P
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I only grow one Frit, meleagris, which flowers every year in my garden with the minimum of attention but never seems to bulk up (maybe as a result of lack of attention!)
I do not remember it bulking up when I grew it successfully a few years ago but it did increase through self sown seedlings. With all the wet down your way it should be easy from seed. I lost (track of) mine when we started a family :P
;D ;D ;D
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My first this year are
F. pinardii
F. serpenticola
Fritillaria chlororhabdota
and species nova from Pulkhakim
Janis
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What beautiful treasures these are. 8)
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Hello everyone.
Today I searched wilds for some bulbous plants. I went to a place where I found an unknown frits seed pods years ago.
I mentioned in this thread (2nd page)
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3530.15
But today I found them in bloom :). Here is a photo
It would be great if someone can identfy this frit.
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Arda, I think that should be F. pinardi in a early flowering stage! If you can make some more pics when the flower is fully open then it would be more clear!
A very nice plant to enter Fritillarias ;)
İbrahim.
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Arda,
and the one with two seed pots from last year it looks more like F. bithynica ;) It has very thiny leaves and two seed pots in one stem but yours which from this year It has only one flower and wider leaves!
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four years old seedlings Frit. latifolia, from NO-Turkey
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A few from today - F. liliacea raised from Archibald seed, another (bigger) pot of the same species and finally something I bought from the States as liliacea but which clearly isn't. I'm thinking perhaps a liliacea hybrid, but with what? It smells fairly unpleasant, if that helps.
Alex
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Arda, I think that should be F. pinardi in a early flowering stage! If you can make some more pics when the flower is fully open then it would be more clear!
A very nice plant to enter Fritillarias ;)
İbrahim.
I thought it was F.pinardii too because it is the only frit. living in Eskisehir. I'll try to add new pictures soon!.
Arda
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Nice frit from crassifolia complex ciollected in Iran
Fritillaria pinardii
and several forms of F. stenanthera
Janis
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which genus do you think that the frit I added is?
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Fritillaria olivieri
This form came originally from the Alpine Dept., RHS Wisley. Some years ago they donated a potful to the Frit Group. It was won in the raffle by Joy Bishop who later gave me some bulbils. I'm afraid I have treated it with benign neglect for some time & this is the first flowering. It is 25 cm tall.
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Fritillaria olivieri
I'm afraid I have treated it with benign neglect for some time & this is the first flowering. It is 25 cm tall.
Neglect is not always harmful - you look to have a very healthy potful. Next year try some TLC and you may get more flowers. :)
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Fritillaria olivieri
I'm afraid I have treated it with benign neglect for some time & this is the first flowering. It is 25 cm tall.
Neglect is not always harmful - you look to have avery healthy potful. Next year try some TLC and you may get more flowers. :)
Art - Some years ago, when I was very active in the Frit Group, I fussed over my plants & the results were, at best, variable. In recent times, I have kept them all in an open plunge bed & left them to their own devices, with much better results.
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Few fritillarias are in flowers
At first two various F. assyriaca from Iran - WHIR-181
Then gigantic aurea side by side with alburyana purple form - I specially pictured them together to show how Guliver watch liliputes ;D
Fritillaria baskilensis - pictured a little early. Not very certain about name, as collected in some distance from locus classicus, but very different from closest ally pinardii by tall stem and very thick, as made from wax, leaves.
Fritillaria gibbosa grown up from Archibald seeds
Latifolia nobilis - the white spots on petals are from fungicide spray applied to all bulbs a week ago
F. stenanthera grown from Jilek Seeds (Private Botanic Garden, Czech Republik). Got as "multiflowering", but not such, although of pretty colour.
Janis
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hello,
fritillaria camschatcensis before flowering....
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/lki004.jpg?t=1302017497)
cheers
chris
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On this entry Fritillaria karelinii Tadjikistan, grown from Jilek Seeds (Czech Republic).
Janis
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I really like the F. baskilensis, a name new to me, and the gibbosa is a beautiful form - trying to be a Nomocharis? ;D
How many flowers does it take Janis, for the stenanthera to be a multiflowered form? It looks very "multi" to me, and a lovely shade of pink.
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I really like the F. baskilensis, a name new to me, and the gibbosa is a beautiful form - trying to be a Nomocharis? ;D
How many flowers does it take Janis, for the stenanthera to be a multiflowered form? It looks very "multi" to me, and a lovely shade of pink.
May be this one could be named as "multiflowered" ;D
Janis
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janis, you have an absolutly fantastic bulb collection...
cheers
chris
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Today all the day cloudy, cold and rainy. So no joy to go out to greenhouses, so only two new frits of today
Fritillaria minima SASA-121
and Fritillaria crassifolia WHIR-183 from Iran
Janis
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Fritillaria thessala
Received as F. gussichiae from 'Rare Plants'. This is my second attempt to obtain true F. gussichiae from this supplier.
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This is the first flower on the only survivor from a packet of frit group seed (2005) of 'F. crassifolia kurdica'. Much to my surprise it turned out to be a rather lovely unmarked luminous green. Any views on the ID? I ask because I have also got first flowers on a couple of other pots of seedlings from the same exchange, the same year, and 'F alfredae glaucoviridis' turned out to be acmopetala, 'F pyrenaica' is meleagris.... To be fair - there are numerous individuals still to flower so it is possible that the odd stray seed of more vigorous interlopers has got there first.
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That is a pretty thing, Darren.
Here is a shot of clumping F. meleagris, plus a single alba of the species. As with most of us, this will seed about in moist conditions. Clumping seems to be possibly clone specific, but constant moisture certainly has a bit to do with it, possibly summer coolness, as well. This clump is under an Acer palmatum dissectum.
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all beauties,
I'm just starting with Fritillaria and it seems that I'm not the only one having problems with the names. Could someone please identify these:
The first one was sold as Fritillaria pudica which it is not. Anyway 2 out of 4 looked like this while the 2 others were Fritillaria uva-vulpis. As far as I could make out it looks more like Fritillaria glauca but then which is the second one? That one was sold to me by a different supplier under the name Fritillaria glauca 'Goldilocks'?
Thank you Rob
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I really like the F. baskilensis, a name new to me, and the gibbosa is a beautiful form - trying to be a Nomocharis? ;D
How many flowers does it take Janis, for the stenanthera to be a multiflowered form? It looks very "multi" to me, and a lovely shade of pink.
May be this one could be named as "multiflowered" ;D
Janis
Wow! Oh yes, that would do it all right. 8)
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Your first one wooden shoe, is (I think) either collina or aurea. I can never remember without looking it up, which of the two has square shoulders. Before I enlarged it, I thought the second was acmopetala, but no. Not glauca though.
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all beauties,
I'm just starting with Fritillaria and it seems that I'm not the only one having problems with the names. Could someone please identify these:
The first one was sold as Fritillaria pudica which it is not. Anyway 2 out of 4 looked like this while the 2 others were Fritillaria uva-vulpis. As far as I could make out it looks more like Fritillaria glauca but then which is the second one? That one was sold to me by a different supplier under the name Fritillaria glauca 'Goldilocks'?
Thank you Rob
Rob - The first one could be F. aurea, I don't think the second one is F. glauca - I'm not sure what it is. To identify frits one needs to see the leaf arrangement on the whole plant & the inside of the flower - stigma & nectaries.
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all beauties,
I'm just starting with Fritillaria and it seems that I'm not the only one having problems with the names. Could someone please identify these:
The first one was sold as Fritillaria pudica which it is not. Anyway 2 out of 4 looked like this while the 2 others were Fritillaria uva-vulpis. As far as I could make out it looks more like Fritillaria glauca but then which is the second one? That one was sold to me by a different supplier under the name Fritillaria glauca 'Goldilocks'?
Thank you Rob
The first is aurea without doubt. The second - too many with similar flowers, but not glauca. Must to see details.
Janis
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Fritillaria thessala
Received as F. gussichiae from 'Rare Plants'. This is my second attempt to obtain true F. gussichiae from this supplier.
Gerry
I trust he refunded your money :-\ ??? :-\
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Rob, your first is aurea and the second looks to be a yellowish hermonis.
Not sure what your pale beauty is , Darren, but I like it!
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Fritillaria thessala
Received as F. gussichiae from 'Rare Plants'. This is my second attempt to obtain true F. gussichiae from this supplier.
Gerry
I trust he refunded your money :-\ ??? :-\
Arthur - He replaced the first misidentified plant with another which turned out to be F. whittallii - not what I wanted but rather a nice form actually. I haven't yet had a reply to my latest complaint. It appears that his supplier is either ignorant or careless or both.
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Here is a shot of clumping F. meleagris, plus a single alba of the species. As with most of us, this will seed about in moist conditions. Clumping seems to be possibly clone specific, but constant moisture certainly has a bit to do with it, possibly summer coolness, as well. This clump is under an Acer palmatum dissectum.
Some of my Fritillaria meleagris growing in a very wet border which was flooded last winter. Both white and purple are clumping and spreading. As mentioned in an earlier post these came from two bags of 10 from a supermarket
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This is the first flower on the only survivor from a packet of frit group seed (2005) of 'F. crassifolia kurdica'. Much to my surprise it turned out to be a rather lovely unmarked luminous green. Any views on the ID?
Maybe pontica Darren, although lacking the usual brownish suffusion. A view inside might help, horned bulbs would clinch it.
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This is the first flower on the only survivor from a packet of frit group seed (2005) of 'F. crassifolia kurdica'. Much to my surprise it turned out to be a rather lovely unmarked luminous green. Any views on the ID?
Maybe pontica Darren, although lacking the usual brownish suffusion. A view inside might help, horned bulbs would clinch it.
I've just had another look at the picture & see that there is a whorl of 3 bracts below the flower. So Ashley's suggestion is possible; a horned bulb would be conclusive. Another possibility is an unmarked form of F. involucrata.
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New photos of fritillaria pinardii(?)
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Thank you all for identifying my frits. As for the Frit 'known as pudica' general agreement says it's Fritillaria aurea and I guess that's right. Just for the record I have added a photo of the inside.
The second one is a bigger riddle. I have added more pictures for the experts. Fritillaria hermonis might be right although mine is more yellow indeed. For one photo I got assistance of a slug who helped to make the innerside of the flower more visible. The green one of Darren is still a mistery too, I have googled a bit but couldn't point the rightone out.
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Rob, I'm sure your last photo is another frit again.... look at the markings on the petals.... ???
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The second one is a bigger riddle. I have added more pictures for the experts. Fritillaria hermonis might be right although mine is more yellow indeed.
Could this be F (hermonis) amana 'Goksum Gold'
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I have been googling and I guess that's the one indeed Diane. Thank you all!
I also saw it spelled Gokzun Gold, probably derived from Göksun Turkey.
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The second one is a bigger riddle. I have added more pictures for the experts. Fritillaria hermonis might be right although mine is more yellow indeed.
Could this be F (hermonis) amana 'Goksan Gold'
My thought too - 'Gokzum Gold' I think; the yellow form of F. hermonis amana (or F. amana, if you prefer). This terrible cv. name was neither devised nor approved by Norman Stevens who made the original collection.
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Frit. grandiflora ( back ) in difference with Frit.latifolia
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Superb Dirk.
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I raised this plant as Frit cirrhosa from society seed. I see that this can be variable and as it doesn't look like the ones I saw in the wild can someone confirm whether it is likely to be correct?
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Although F. chirrosa is variable I think that all have tendrils to the tips of their leaves.
Here are 2 Frits flowering this evening. Fritillaria crassicaulis with very large yellow bells from china and another with small yellow bells from Turkey I think.
Susan
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Your yellows are beautiful Susan. :D
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My fritillaria meleagris 'meadow' OK my small patch of fritillaria with an underplanting of primula. Unfortunately the frits are at their peak just before the primula are at theirs. The Trillium chloropetalum giganteum is just going over now. (top right of the photo) hardly discernable.
Fritillaria meleagris 'Alba'
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Looks good Graham, what's the blue behind the white meleagris, it sets it off so well. (very arty!)
By the way, this is another thread I try not to look at.
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Looks good Graham, what's the blue behind the white meleagris, it sets it off so well. (very arty!)
By the way, this is another thread I try not to look at.
Its a dwarf rhododendron but no confirmed ID. Its a litle more purple than the blue in the frit photo. You can see it in the Rhododendron - every garden should have one thread.
I'm afraid I am hooked on frits already. It's still in its infancy so nothing really special and nothing other than the meleagris flowering well yet either.
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At this years Hexham Show there was the unusual occurrence of two clones of Fritillaria davidii on the bench next to each other. As Wilma and Jim Wright are friends I was happy to ask if I could cross-pollinate their plant with mine. My plant is the 'usual' form with prominent brown markings, theirs was a form with yellower, rounder flowers much like that pictured by Shelagh on the Fritillaria 2010 thread. Knowing that seed is never seen I was not hopeful but I think there are some promising signs. Whilst the other flowers and main leaves have died back, the two pollinated flowers seem to be developing capsules, also, as you can see, the stems are still firm and the brown bracts on the stem have turned green and increased in size - presumably to fuel the seed development. Fingers crossed eh?
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Two return performers. The F. imperialis grows under a Medlar trree.
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Those look suspiciously like seed capsules to me Darren. Well done. It also puts the lie to the "never sets seed in cultivation" theory, and also to the "only one clone in cultivation" theory which I have doubted for some time, as a picture shown by (if memory serves me) by Shelagh, was quite different, more yellow, less chequered, from the "usual" form. You and yours will go down in the annals of horticultural history! ;D
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Fritillaria meleagroides
From Frit Group seed. Said to derive from a collection made in Poltavs’ka oblast, Ukraine.
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which genus do you think that the frit I added is?
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I agree Lesley - seeing the two clones side by side it was very obvious they are different - if you read the Frit 2010 thread, doubts were even expressed about the identity of Shelagh's plant until Janis leapt to its defence.
Even the Wallis's own account of growing the species says that 'several bulbs' were passed to them via Martyn Rix. Admittedly this does not mean they were different clones but nevertheless...
I must ask the Wrights when I see them on thursday if the reverse pollination worked.
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In Curtis's Botanical Magazine (2000) there is an article on F. davidii by Martyn Rix & Brian Mathew in which they state that "the material in cultivation was introduced into Britain by Mikinori Ogisu from Baoxing". It's not clear whether this introduction consisted of more than one clone. In their note in the AGS Bulletin (69, p486) Bob & Rannveig Wallis do not state the source of their plants though they seem to imply that they are from the Ogisu introduction. However, & for what it is worth, their photo shows yellow flowers heavily tessellated reddish -brown whereas the painting in Curtis shows a plant in which the tessellation is much lighter & the flowers are of a greeny-yellow colour shading to brownish at the apex.
I could scan the painting though I don't know whether this would create copyright problems.
Edit: Shelagh's plant with its yellow flower is completely different to both the photo & the painting.
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I'm pretty sure Chen Yi has offered bulbs of it in the past, so there's bound to be more than one clone available. It's proven fully hardy here, down to -20C.
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One I obtained at the AGS bulb sale last year.
Frit. meleagris "Saturnus"
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Fritillaria epirotica
From JJA seed (pop.ref 495.200) Ex a collection from the type locality, Greece, Ioanina, Oros Smolikas, E of Konitsa, 2300m, serpentine slopes.
This is the first flowering. Jim Archibald told me it was very slow from seed & he was right; 7 years. I think this is my favourite small fritillary - 5 cm tall.
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It's a real little gem Gerry !
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Luc - I love it.
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In this entry Fritillaria gibbosa/karelinii - various color forms blooming just now
Janis
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Fritillaria aurea seedling box
and hybrid between aurea and fleischeriana made in Gothenburg BG by Henrik
After that few pictures of second generation seedlings raised by me showing very great splitting between seedlings in both dirrections and some quite nice
and at last another parent - Fritillaria fleischeriana - true plant (usually after that name you will receive pinardii or even carica)
Janis
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Now some pictures of large and variable Fritillaria crassifolia family
the last is very unusually colored form of type subspecies with almost black flowers.
As last from today frits are
Fritillaria minima - one of smallest with beautifully bright yellow flowers
Fritillaria poluninii - another dwarf from Iran and as last quite large
Fritillaria strausii
and very last - Fritillaria caucasica
Janis
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Stunning Frits Janis :o :o :o
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So many gems on this post!
I've come to it late, so if you're not mentioned don't feel left out...
Stand outs for me were the F.baskilensis and karelina tadjikistanfrom Janis, and the F.minima from Janis also.
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Few pictures from today:
At first group of Fritillaria ruthenica and separate flower
Then Fritillaria rixii EZ-99
Fritillaria crassifolia aff. SLIZE-121 from Iran and as last
Fritillaria rerutheri
Janis
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reutheri is amazing
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fritillaria camschatcensis in bloom now.....
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/yasy011.jpg?t=1303671432)
cheers
chris
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Wonderful plants, Janis.
Like your F. camschatcensis too, Chris.
Here F. affinis is flowering.
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Beautiful fritillarias. I particularly like the F. reutheri.
Your seedlings look very promising, how long did it take from pollination to flowering ?
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My Fritillaria camschatcensis started opening this week.
They've multiplied nicely ;D
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Love all the frits I see here... what could be better, so many frits, so little time ;). I like em all, no discrimination, I wish Lily Beetle didn't like as much as I do. I keep a small glass jar in the garden, the receptacle of demise for hand-picked red lily beetles whenever I see them.
Here's a tiny sweetie at first time bloom, F. eastwoodiae from Northern California. My sole little bulb came from Jane McGary in 2005, and this year it finally flowered, and I'm delighted to see the little orange thimble blooms with rolled-back petal edges. After 6 years, it was worth the wait! Photos 1-2
To give some sense of scale, in the following view (photo 3) we see a dark maroon-purple F. meleagris on the left, the petite F. eastwoodiae in the center (what a scale difference!), and on the right is Tulipa vvedenskyi from Mary Sue Ittner, perhaps my favorite tulip species. These all grow under a Fringe Tree, Chionanthus virginicus, which is tap-rooted and very late to leaf out, thus a good tree to underplant with spring bulbs (No, that's mot a rogue elephant trampling through my garden ;D).
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some shots from my fritillaria imperialis collection
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varigated cultivars
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Mark I think the little F. eastwoodiae is worth the wait. I believe it is thought originally to have been a natural hybrid between F. recurva and something else, maybe micrantha? or ? If so, it's funny it takes so long to flower. Recurva takes only 4 years from sowing to flowering for me, much less than many European or Middle Eastern species.
Zhirair, what a wonderful collection of the one species. Most of us are very lucky to have an orange and a yellow growing well. Yours obviously love you a lot. ;D They seem to be growing out of some kind of groundcover crop. What is this please? Is it to keep the bulbs cool or for added nutrition?
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Lesley,
thanks for the compliments!
I grow around 10 cultivars of this species. I grew my firts in my main garden, where the soil is wet-keeping and the location is not very sunny. The frits didn't feel so good there and some cultivars even refused to bloom, some bulbs cought fungal deseases.. Then I moved them to the country house, where the soil is very humus rich and very well drained, the location is very sunny. They perform very very well there and even don't require annual lifting. The grondcover is just formed of ordinary weeds. I visit the country house not very often, mainly during week-ends and not always find time to remove the weeds. Though the frits look quite nice with such combination.
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They do indeed. I wish my own weeds were the background for such magnificent plants. ;D
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Zhirair,
if you leave your frits unattended don't you get troubles with lily beetles (Lilioceris lilii)?
Here, any frits I grow are magnets for lily beetles >:(
Every day close inspection is required... >:(
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Magnificent Fritillaria!
Allow also to me to bring the contribution to gallery of photos Fritillaria.
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Zhirair,
if you leave your frits unattended don't you get troubles with lily beetles (Lilioceris lilii)?
Here, any frits I grow are magnets for lily beetles >:(
Every day close inspection is required... >:(
You're right Armin,
As I see lily beetles are quite a serious problem. I inspected them in my lilies in the country house, by they didn't attack frits so far. Anyway, I will take a pesticide with me in my next visit.
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pesticides - yes, sometimes a 'must' :(
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Someone any idea about this Frit from China? About 20 cm tall, a second flowering one has much less defined red in the flower, both single flowered.
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We are still having the frit season: Fritillaria pallidiflora (sun-lit)
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Image captured in May 2011 in a tiny colony of only two plants in a rocky clearing at the top of the cable car at Fuente De in the Picos de Europa national park in northern Spain.
Should you wish to see a greatly enlarged image then please visit AlpenPix at the following link:-
URL: http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/temperate/?gal=AlpenPix&id=3151
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What an extraordinary plant - in flower size and colour!
Gerd
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On my recent trip to Turkey, I saw for the first time Fritillaria sororum.
How this was discovered in the first place amazes me - the plants are on a steep hillside, in scrubby forest, some distance from the road.
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The season Turkey this year was very difficult. People living in the South of England may have wondered where all the rain had gone - we found it in Turkey.
Going later than any previous trips, I had expected that some Frits might have been over, but in the case of the Nemrut Dag crater above Tatvan, they had hardly started. On prevous trips, where the snow was still being cleared, Fritillaria minuta was in profusion and Pulsatilla albana ssp. armena was a joy to see. This year the Pulsatilla was only just emerging and photographs of flowers were impossible. Fritillaria minuta was in very small numbers at the bottom of the crater.
1. View of Nemrut Dag crater
2. Fritillaria minuta
3. Could this be Fritillaria pinardii?
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On my recent trip to Turkey, I saw for the first time Fritillaria sororum.
How this was discovered in the first place amazes me - the plants are on a steep hillside, in scrubby forest some distance, from the road.
Arthur - very interesting to see this in the wild. In their account of the new species in the New Plantsman (5, 1998) the Perssons note that the specific epithet commemorates two sisters who bequeathed half of their estate to Göteborg Botanic Garden. A nice way to be remembered.
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Wow great shots Arthur.
I'm lucky to live in Turkey but unlucky not to see these beauties with my own eyes.
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Pascal, just noticed your Frit, try Frit tiapienses. It varies a lot but a lot came in from china originally
Susan
Nice Frits Arthur
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Hi Susan, thanx very much, I had given up hope to get a name for it! Besides your pix I also found pix on a Chinese site that showed the inside of the flower confirming its ID which I wouldn't have found without a name.....: http://www.especies.ac.cn/pages/1228
The Chinese website is an interesting one for other plants as well! Using the folder structure interesting pictures of other genera within Liliaceae can also be found on that site.
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One of the problems we had on this trip to Turkey was the amount of road building that is taking place. Everywhere dual carriageways were being built even to seemingly remote villages. This has changed the landscape a lot - the banks where you expect to find plants are no longer there.
A case in point was the road to Bahcesaray where we had previously found Fritillaria minuta and minima. The first two photos show where we stopped to look for the Frits - not a previous location as this was now under a new road - not very promising.
We did not find Fritillaria minuta, but found Fritillaria minima growing amongst the boulders, and scattered across the site were a few Fritillaria crassifolia.
A companion plant was this excellent tulip
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Wonderful to see these plants in the wild Arthur. Thank you.
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Thank you , Art, I enjoyed the photos very much :)
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We travelled from Van to Dogubayazit and along the way were fortunate to see alot of Fritillaria at various sites.
Perhaps the most interesting was the first site - hills of gypsum. Here we found Fritillaria crassifolia.
Further on we found Fritillaria ? caucasica - shots 4 - 6
At the Tendurek Pass we found a crassifolia, that at one time had fooled people into thinking it was Fritillaria michailovskyi - it isn't :) - approximately 50% of the plants had the yellow tips.
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Arthur - very interesting to see the frits on the Tendurek Pass. F. michailovskyi is morphologically very similar to F. crassifolia & the two hybridise. I remember some years ago Bob Wallis opining that they were in fact the same species.
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I think in this instance Ranveig is wrong - wait until I show the 'real' michailovskyi before you reply.
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I had tried on several trips to Turkey to see Fritillaria michailovskyi on the Tahir Pass. This is a very short form compared with the plants seen near Patnos (sorry no images of the latter as I only took slides then and need to transfer them to my computer).
When we set off from Dogubayazit the weather was threatening - the deluge arrived just as we reached the site, hence only two shots.
I also managed to take a couple of shots of fritillaria armena.
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I had hoped to see Fritillaria alburyan on the Kop Pass, but fresh snow made this impossible.
Fortunately, another new site proved more productive, though looking at the site it was difficult to believe that it could be growing there
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so close yet so far for me :)
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At the site for Fritillaria alburyana, we also saw Fritillaria caucasica and some delightful companion plants. The ground was very boggy.
1. Fritillaria caucasica
2. General view
3. Primula ? ID please
4. Caltha polypetala
5. Primula ? ID please
6. Another view of 5.
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Wonderful pictures Arthur. The pure pink alburyana is sooooo much nicer than the purplish form.
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Wow, Arthur. Fantastic pics of plants in the wild. I'm just blown away by some of the species you've shown..... I'm not sure I've even seen half of them before (certainly not in the flesh anyway).
Thanks so much for sharing the pics. 8)
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Hello all, I am about to bother you with another question of mine :)
I have some frits, my first frits which are gathered by me from wild , very small-hazelnut sized bulbs, probably F.pinardii. I am keeping them in sand at the moment. Should I plant them a proper pod now and take them out? And when should I start watering? I am planning to imitate nature, when it rains I'll water. What do you think about this idea?
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Arda, if it is not too difficult for you you should read Ian Young's Bulb Log it would help you enormously.
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Arda
Plant the bulbs and then give the pot a very good soaking with water - make the soil completely wet. Then put the pot where it cannot get wet and wait until you see growth before giving more water.
There are more details in Ian's Bulb Log, this is a summary and works for me.
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Fritillaria persica - transplanted when in active growth so not sure if it will be okay!
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cheers
fermi
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That's a big risk Fermi, especially with such a large and flowering plant. Was iot really necessary to transplant it at this time?
Having said that, they can be incredibly tough. I have a young (8 yr) persica, a small group of tuntasia and some thessala, all growing well and the latter two about to bloom, in thick and tall grass. They've been there for several years and the tuntasia and thessala continue to flower each year. I always mean to spray the area with Roundup while they are dormant but it hasn't happened so far. I guess from Arthur's pics that many grow in rank grass quite happily, but in the wild, maybe some are grazed off before the bulbs come up. In your case Fermi, it would be the disturbance and damage to the roots that would worry me. I read somewhere, can't remember where, that if the roots were destroyed, the bulb didn't make any new ones in that season.
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I didn't move it when it was in leaf! Sorry, it was in active root growth in July
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when I had to unpot it and plant it out into a very gritty soil - the foliage is now looking grotty and I wondered if it was because I'd moved it and it hadn't re-established it's root system.
cheers
fermi
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I assumed that you had lifted it from somewhere to put somewhere else. Taking it from a pot into the garden should be better but it looks as if all the potting mix has fallen away and left the bulb bare? I'm surprised that the foliage doesn't look better considering it is all new from replanting time. I mean it has all grown SINCE you moved it. Maybe it has decided to put everything it has into the very nice-looking flower stem in an effort to reproduce, especially if it had decided (you know what I mean) that this treatment was unacceptable and it would die as a result. You might get seed! If I were you I'd be out there hand-pollinating every flower. It won't hurt the plant if it doesn't set seed and if it does, there will be all that future insurance. Probably better with a second clone, but still worth a try?
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It didn't set seed last year, but as you say "worth a try"!
This is what I presume to be Fritillaria graeca but it seems to want to dispute that it's "an upside-down tulip" ;D !
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cheers
fermi
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fermi,
we do call frits. upside-down tulips in turkish indeed
:)
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Fermi, try spraying it with a weak foliar feed morning and evening as long as you have some greenery, in order to build up the bulb.
There will probably be enough root still going for it to survive, it has had enough of a growing season by now so the bulb should be ok even if a bit small. I often end up repotting them in root growth but I understand any damaged roots will stop growing.
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My F. aurea has thrown only blind shoots or aborted buds this year which is maddening as there are a dozen the right size to flower. But these two are the first seedlings to flowers from some FG AGS seed. There were just 6 seeds so there's a lot of rice in there. I hope I can bring more up to flowering size. I've cross/hand pollinated them.
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Arda,
Yes, I remember you mentioned that name for them. ;D
Peter,
thanks for the tip, I'll try a foliar spray and hope for the best.
Lesley,
I've hand-pollinated a few flowers. Those seedlings look nice and healthy - I wish I could them to flowering size!
cheers
fermi
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I've germinated F.persica plenty of times Fermi however never been able to raise it to flowering .....Too shady here 'me' ;) thinks .
On the other hand a number of sps do well.
F.messanensis ssp gracilis
F.ehrartii
F.montana
F.kotschyana
F.amana
Plus a couple i'm happy to see flowering from seed sown many many moons ago.The labels of course have faded however i think i have keyed them out correctly..... :-\
F.oliveri
F.collina (serrated edges to the petals).
Cheers Dave.
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Lovely selection Dave, just potting them here.
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Dave - A nice selection. It's not easy to tell from the photo, since the leaves are not too clear, but your 'F. olivieri' looks more like F. tubiformis to me. Is it quite dwarf?
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Thanks Peter
A lot of mine are in pots as well .
Gerry
Here are a couple of better pics --It's not a dwarf plant .Foliage is not glaucous.
Hope that helps .
Cheers Dave.
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Sadly we appear to have lost the Fritillaria lusitanica due to last summer's wet :'(
In flower now are Fritillaria messanensis ssp messanensis
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cheers
fermi
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I came across this
http://gardenofeaden.blogspot.com/2009/02/how-to-propagate-snakes-head-fritillary.html
that explains that very fresh Fritillaria meleagris seed, planted immediately, can be germinated and grown the same season. Apparently common with Nomocharis species, is this also a common trait among other Fritillaria species?
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In my experience frit seed does not germinate until the Spring following sowing. From then it is +/- 5 years until flowering.
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In my experience nomocharis (mentioned above) does not seem to need a cold spell to germinate, but does seem to germinate best at lower temperatures say 50-60F.
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F. michailovskyi will flower 2 &1/2 years from germination, no matter how old the seed in the first place. Seed sown in autumn of 2009 has flowered this spring. I've had the same time frame a couple of times previously as well. Only had experience of the low, one or two flowered form, not the taller forms.
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Only today found time to work on last season pictures. So I can show you some, although far too late.
This very unusual specimen was marked between Fritillaria graeca planted on outside beds. Now it is potted separately. I don't think that this is virus. More likely it is mutation similar to those of F. imperialis cultivars Aureomarginata and Argenteovariegata.
Janis
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I came across this
http://gardenofeaden.blogspot.com/2009/02/how-to-propagate-snakes-head-fritillary.html
that explains that very fresh Fritillaria meleagris seed, planted immediately, can be germinated and grown the same season. Apparently common with Nomocharis species, is this also a common trait among other Fritillaria species?
That's interesting regarding F. meleagris seed. I don't get seed on my mere couple of bulbs of that species. But with other Frit species I sow seed of outside right as the seed is ripe and starting to spill; I never get germination until the following spring. And with Frit seed sown outside, they come up thickly.
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I came across this
http://gardenofeaden.blogspot.com/2009/02/how-to-propagate-snakes-head-fritillary.html
that explains that very fresh Fritillaria meleagris seed, planted immediately, can be germinated and grown the same season. Apparently common with Nomocharis species, is this also a common trait among other Fritillaria species?
That's interesting regarding F. meleagris seed. I don't get seed on my mere couple of bulbs of that species. But with other Frit species I sow seed of outside right as the seed is ripe and starting to spill; I never get germination until the following spring. And with Frit seed sown outside, they come up thickly.
With me Fritillarias never germinated in autumn and I'm sawing them immediately after harvesting. I sometimes observed autumn germinations with Crocuses and Alliums, but not with Fritillaria.
Janis