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Specific Families and Genera => Iris => Topic started by: Hans A. on February 05, 2011, 05:53:00 PM
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After a long time without Oncos:
New season has started, as usual Iris atropurpurea is the first to flower.
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My onco's didn't look well this spring. Winter was too warm and for onco's it resulted in unfrosen soil and too wet conditions. Will see later - will I have few in spring or not. Ahead very serious frosts.
Janis
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After a long time without Oncos:
New season has started, as usual Iris atropurpurea is the first to flower.
Hans as always your Irises are wonderful and photographed so well 8)
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Wonderful iris and such rich colour wwhere the sun shines through. :D
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Yes Hans great photos with the sun behind. I was wondering when the onco season was starting up north and now we begin...........
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I've been waiting for this thread to appear. :)
Gorgeous atropurpurea blooms, wonderfully photographed.
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beautiful images Hans, and very healthy plants!
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Goooooooooorgeous flowers Hans and very well pictured indeed !! 8)
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Congratulations Hans
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Stunning, Hans
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Stunning backlight hans !!!
You make me crazy as I missed then in nature..... ??? :'(
Janis,
temperature is not the most important point for onco's to start growth, only watering time is important.
May be you should delay it to january ?
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Fred I have onco rhizomes start into new growth while still in their paperbags in the flat boxes in the garage. This is my trigger to replant in autumn.
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Stunning backlight hans !!!
You make me crazy as I missed then in nature..... ??? :'(
Janis,
temperature is not the most important point for onco's to start growth, only watering time is important.
May be you should delay it to january ?
Yes, I know that I gave too much water in autumn. It was my mistake, but frost makes soil "dry" - I hoped to that. If something will alive, I will be more careful in future.
Janis
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Stunning backlight hans !!!
You make me crazy as I missed then in nature..... ??? :'(
Janis,
temperature is not the most important point for onco's to start growth, only watering time is important.
May be you should delay it to january ?
Yes, I know that I gave too much water in autumn. It was my mistake, but frost makes soil "dry" - I hoped to that. If something will alive, I will be more careful in future.
Janis
Yes Janis, growing onco's is a daily job!
Hendrik
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Thanks to all! Such a photo subject makes it easy to make good picture! ;)
Stunning backlight hans !!!
You make me crazy as I missed then in nature..... ??? :'(
Sorry to read that. :( 2 or 3 plants in the garden are just great - but an entire population must be breathtaking.
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Great pictures!
Like every year you are the first one to open this thread ;D
In nature they are still not in flower because the rains started in December...
For Fred ;)
In Hebrew it is called Iris Argaman, Argaman means dark red.
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Thank's Miriam, Bio will also be happy to read that !
Here are the leaves :'( :'( ;D 10 days ago, but I'lm sure Miriam and Oron will show us the flowers next few days ;)
I'va also attached a pic from my onco bed now, uncover as it's dry and sunny in france at the moment.
Plants started to grow a bit too early in my opinion but they all look nice.
Iris atropurpurea
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Fred I have onco rhizomes start into new growth while still in their paperbags in the flat boxes in the garage. This is my trigger to replant in autumn.
Hi Pat,
I have a couple of Arils from Marcus Harvey http://www.hillviewrareplants.com/ (http://www.hillviewrareplants.com/) - should I leave them till autumn? I haven't done well with them in pots and want to plant them in their own sand bed but it's a bit wet right now!
cheers
fermi
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Personally I would keep them in their bag if they are completely dormant. Some seem to have some green growth and those I might put into a pot with sharp sand for a while. I would not let the rhizomes get wet but maybe a tiny bit at the root tips. You really only have a month to hold them before they can go in the ground. I have not checked the paper bags lately to see if there is any growth.
If you put them in the ground it would have to be dry ground with a cover but with air movement.
Trouble is if you wait too long then the rhizomes suffer.
Sorry about the delay in answering.
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I agree with Pat. I had a bunch of 'Dardanus' that came in my Summer. I did pot them up and kept them dry. I checked them in December and there was still absolutely no growth. No roots, no tips. They have just awoken with the warmer weather and are sprouting. I could well have just kept them bare root even through most of the Winter. The trick is to keep them dry enough, in or out of the pots, without dessicating them.
Jamie
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Here are the leaves :'( :'( ;D 10 days ago, but I'lm sure Miriam and Oron will show us the flowers next few days ;)
Here are some pictures from today :D
Iris atropurpurea
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Thank you Miriam! It is always so inspiring to see photos of aril species in habitat.
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I don't know if I really want to thank you for this pictures Miriam ... ;) :o ???
Do You just want to make me crazy ?? ;D
Anyway,
fantastic !
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So so healthy Miriam.
Do you get summer rainfall at all the last few years?
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Fred,
They are in flower 10 days too late :'(
Pat,
The rains start here normally in mid October. It never rains here during summmer.
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What fantasic pictures everyone, It is always a pleasure to see the plants in their natural inhabits.
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very very short Iris sprengeri, didn't manage to get a good pic of it.
flowering in the greenhouse.
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very very short Iris sprengeri, didn't manage to get a good pic of it.
flowering in the greenhouse.
Short but nice!
Janis
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I don't know if I really want to thank you for this pictures Miriam ... ;) :o ???
Do You just want to make me crazy ?? ;D
Anyway,
fantastic !
Poor Fred ! ;D
Fantastic pictures Miriam :o :o thanks for showing them despite Fred's feelings... ;D ;)
Very special sprengeri Fred ?!?! :D
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Great pictures of Iris atropurpurea in its habitat, Miriam! Glad Ocnogyna loewi does not exist on Mallorca. :o
very very short Iris sprengeri, didn't manage to get a good pic of it.
flowering in the greenhouse.
Are you sure it is not a good pic? :o - I like it very much - great plant, one of the tricky species here!
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But what about those caterpillars! :o Do they eat the onco leaves?
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Here are the leaves :'( :'( ;D 10 days ago, but I'lm sure Miriam and Oron will show us the flowers next few days ;)
Here are some pictures from today :D
Fantastic Miriam thank you 8) If only !!
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I wouldn't care how short Iris sprengeri was if I grew and flowered it so well Fred
Bee-ute-ee-ful :D
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very very short Iris sprengeri, didn't manage to get a good pic of it.
I like it very much - great plant, one of the tricky species here!
One of easiest with me - what a great difference!
Janis
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I agree with Janis, it's a fast grower here too.
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But what about those caterpillars! :o Do they eat the onco leaves?
Indeed, they have a good taste, the bastards!
I found them only on one clone of the Iris...normally they eat other plants.
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Thanks Miriam - I searched for this caterpillar and could not find any hint it eats Oncoleaves! Hope it will not become fashion for this species.
very very short Iris sprengeri, didn't manage to get a good pic of it.
I like it very much - great plant, one of the tricky species here!
One of easiest with me - what a great difference!
Janis
Yes - the same with Iris iberica elegantissima - think summers are to hot, decided to grow them in pots only and store them to a cooler place in summer (perhaps I should look for a fridge similar to Orons ;))
Iris camillae is an interesting species, said to be very variable because of hybrid origin - as far as I know only plants with blue standards are in cultivation, so I was very curious about the first flower of of my seedlings. Finally first bud opened yesterday (apologiesfor the bad pic, it was already dark when I saw it). This plant flowers blue again, but it seems to be a darker form than I already grow. :)
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It you also had some rain Hans ;)
Anyway, superb plant and I hope to get flower this year ...
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Thanks Fred - yes it was comletly dark and raining when I took the picture (took many pictures, but in most I focussed the wrong things ;D). Think there will come another flower from this clone later (this was out of time). Hope your Iris camillae will bloom this year. ;)
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Some pictures from a different location which is situated very close to the sea.
Iris atropurpurea grows there among Retama raetam (the white-flowering shrub), Artemisia monosperma, Pancratium maritimum and many more plants...
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absolutely incredible place! :o :o :) :) ;) ;) :D :D ;D ;D :o :o 8) 8) :-* :-* :'( :'( ;D ;D :-X :-X :P :P :-\ :-\ :-X :-X ;D ;D ;) ;) all feeling mixed ;D
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Stunning pictures Miriam !
I agree with Rafa, what a great place !! :o :o :o
Thanks once again for showing !
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Many thank's Miriam to show us this flowers, with excellent backlight ;)
I'd like to add something to Rafa.... but I don't know what ;D
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hahahahah ;D
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absolutely incredible place! :o :o :) :) ;) ;) :D :D ;D ;D :o :o 8) 8) :-* :-* :'( :'( ;D ;D :-X :-X :P :P :-\ :-\ :-X :-X ;D ;D ;) ;) all feeling mixed ;D
Couldn't agree more Rafa, Fred, Luc
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absolutely incredible place! :o :o :) :) ;) ;) :D :D ;D ;D :o :o 8) 8) :-* :-* :'( :'( ;D ;D :-X :-X :P :P :-\ :-\ :-X :-X ;D ;D ;) ;) all feeling mixed ;D
Couldn't agree more Rafa, Fred, Luc
Ditto :o - I really enjoy this pictures! Thanks a lot Miriam!
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Thanks so much for the pictures Miriam - AND ESPECIALLY THE OTHER PLANTS WHICH GROW WITH THE ARILS
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Thank you all :)
Indeed, this is a marvelous reserve and many many people were there to see Iris atropurpurea.
There were traffic jams on the way to the reserve ::)
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Miriam, I know you probably did not enjoy the traffic jam, but this is a heartwarming report. It's good to hear that so many people are aware of them and value them. Without such awareness, there would be little hope of protecting the habitat long term.
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Miriam, I know you probably did not enjoy the traffic jam, but this is a heartwarming report. It's good to hear that so many people are aware of them and value them. Without such awareness, there would be little hope of protecting the habitat long term.
Quite right, Tom.
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Greetings from Israel!
On Tuesday and Wednesday I saw a huge lot of Iris atropurpurea in a total of 7 habitats. What amazing views! Most of the clumps are in full flower, a few had faded but many were still in buds. So, if you hurry up, it is not too late for Iris atropurpurea. And the other species are (hopefully) starting to bloom next week...
Tuesday I went on my own but Wednesday I went to see habitats that were all new to me, thanks to Miriam who took her family and family car to show me around. Great!
The first three are brighter forms from the famous Nahal Poleg habitat, then two from Ilanot forest where they grow in an Eucalyptus forest (!) and the last is from a place near Rehovot city.
Thomas.
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Superb Thomas !!
right places, right time...
best regards to Miriam's family and enjoy ;)
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Fantastic pictures, every one. I really love the black one to finish Thomas, and the one which seems to have a golden glow in the standards. You look very nice too Thomas. :)
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Fantastic pictures Thomas! I really envy you, have a good time and best wishes to Miriam!
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Superb pictures , Thomas , herzlichen Dank. Amazing the colour variation within the species.
I am surrounded here by Eucalypthus forrests , but far too dense growth and too little sunlight .So I will not attempt to shift my 2 plants of I. atropurpurea into this enviroment and watch it linger.
Otto.
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Thomas it is great to see your photos and to know that you and Miriam are seeing their habitats. How lucky can someone be to be able to travel to the Middle East nearly every year. More articles for the Yearbook Thomas??? ;)
Have you any idea what species of Eucalyptus are planted as forests.
I guess if the cover is not too dense the roots of the gums will keep the soil fairly dry which would be good for them.
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Thomas and Miriam - what are the other plants growing with the arils.
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Fantastic pictures Thomas !!!! Thanks so much for showing ! :D
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Great pictures Thomas!
Pat,
The Eucalyptus is Eucalyptus camaldulensis. This species was planted in large amounts (about 100 years ago) for its reputation it can help to dry swamps (from winter rains) which caused the spreading of Malaria. This was found out as false, but already many trees were planted in many places.
You are right Otto, the Eucalyptus forest is not good for the Oncos because of the lack of sun. These Eucalyptus are also dangerous to people, as their branches tend to break and already some people were killed or injured because of this.
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Uhm the red gums which are prolific along creek lines here and yes they lose branches without any warning - but good for firewood! Do not park or camp under them in late summer especially.
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Great photos Thomas Thanks for sharing
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Here is an Iris, flowering now, close to I. bostrensis, with front light and backlight.
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Fantastic pictures Thomas, wonderful to see.
Fred your Iris is fabulous! it would look good in any lighting.
Here they are just sending up shoots now.
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Holy Moly!!!!! That's stupendous! (With apologies to Dme JS)
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Superb pictures and plant Fred!! :o
Nothing beats the pure species! ;)
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Wow what flouncing on the standards - how exquisite Fred.
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So far, not a lot of news from Israel. The season is not late, it is VERY late. Too late for my holidays :'(
On Sunday I visited David Shahaks garden near Zichron Yaakov and found two nice yellow Iris atropurpurea. Apart from normal atropurpureas, only a handful of I.haynei and two I.mariae were in flower.
Later we went to Nazareth to check an I. bismarckiana habitat - same result. Monday I went to a famous habitat of I. petrana. No flowers, just buds deep down inside the fans. Nice foliage, though, despite the dryness this winter. The absense of flowers and other visitors allowed me to look for and to pillage old capsules. Found just a handful of 2010 seeds...
The first three photos are from David Shahaks theme garden in the 'Ramat Hanadiv' display area near Zichron Yaakov:
1+2) Two different yellow Iris atropurpurea
3) Iris haynei
The last photo is Moraea sisyrinchium from Tekoa, a place near Bethlehem where they grow in their thousands.
Best greetings,
Thomas.
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Here is an Iris, flowering now, close to I. bostrensis, with front light and backlight.
MARVELLOUS, FRED!
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Wow Thomas, the first yellow Iris atropurpurea is breathtaking!!! :o
Thank you very much for sharing your pictures! It is interesting to see how David Shahak grows his plants.
Iris haynei also started to flower here in the western part of the mediterranean.
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I didn't realize David Shahak was stilll around and actively growing. It seems so very many years ago that I had his catalogues. Before I was married, and that was 45 years ago! What a wonderful place to visit.
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Thomas wonderful photos telling us so much. Would you please write an article for the ASI Yearbook on this?:
David Shahaks theme garden in the 'Ramat Hanadiv' display area near Zichron Yaakov.
Pat
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Here are some photos of our Friday excursion to the central south of Israel. Again, I was invited by Miriam and her family to join on a day out in the desert... We found Iris mariae in several spots. The flowers were less and smaller than usual due to the long dryness this winter but we were very happy to find them anyway. In some habitats they were all in buds but in two places we found flowers.
Then, shortly before sunset, we went to a habitat of Iris atrofusca which was on our way anyway. And, thank God, we saw some of this year's first flowers of that species.
Three photos of Iris mariae, then two of Iris atrofusca.
I am afraid, this is the last post from my journey - tomorrow is my last day in the Land of Milk and Honey, and I am not going to do another iris excursion.
Thomas.
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Wonderful pictures Thomas, thankyou for sharing
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Great photos all,
Thomas, glad you have managed to see atrofusca, i was there two days before you and it wasn't in flower yet.
Fred, that's a fantastic bostrensis, hope to see it again in a couple of weeks..
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Thomas, it was a pleasure to travel with you :)
Here is Iris nigricans from my garden...thanks to Rafa ;)
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Thomas and Miriam, thanks a lot for showing this beautiful plants! Miriam your picture of Iris nigricans is superb! :o
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Miriam i perfectly agree with hans.
Your Jordanian of Spanish origin is superb. ;)
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Well done Miriam, it looks great!
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many thank's for this pictures Thomas and Miriam...
you're lucky to see all this superb Irises ;D
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Thomas and Miriam,
What is being fenced in or out in the second photo of Iris mariae that Thomas posted?
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Thomas and Miriam,
What is being fenced in or out in the second photo of Iris mariae that Thomas posted?
Nothing in particular. It was an abandoned coil of barbed wire. In this habitat with quite some tyre tracks, locals marked the clumps with short wooden poles so that motor- and quad bikers don't hit them, and probably the coil was left in place for the same reason.
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Thanks Thomas. I hadn't thought of that.
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Iris camillae in sunshine. :)
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A wonderful sight Hans !!! 8)
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SUPERB !!!!!
I hope to have the same soon..... ;D ;) :o
wonderfull pic Hans.
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Thanks Luc and Fred! ;)
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Hans, very beautiful your Iris camillae!
Here in Belgium I have Iris assadiana flowering for the first time.
You can see very well the stoloniferous growing of this species.
Hendrik
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superb Hendrik !!
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Hendrik it looks like you have quite a few arils growing really well.
Hans a lovely photo of Iris camillae
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SPLENDID Hendrick !!!!!
Congratulations also for your very healthy plants, I think you'll have some more to show us ;)
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Superb Iris assadiana, Hendrik! Hope you will show many more of your plants!
Here Iris damascena is flowering. It is a species which is floriferous with me but the number of seeds is always very low, if any.
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great Hans, the backlight is just marvellous :o
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Thanks Fred! And thanks also for your compliment (as you are one of the forumists who makes superb artistical pictures): Very glad you like the backlight! ;D ;)
Another one open is Iris sari - bad picture but nice plant. ;)
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Backlight for oncos brings out the very best features as Hans has shown with his stunning photo of Iris damascena. The sari photo shows the backs of the petals well.
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Iris samariae in flowering in the greenhouse
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Fred:
You are an artist!
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No Rafa, Nature is THE ARTIST !
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Fred it looks like an expert painting, not a photo. Amazing.
John B
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WOOOOWWWW!!!SUPERB!
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Hendrik, Hans and Fred- your plants are amazing!
Some pictures from my trip today to the Negev Desert.
Iris mariae- Thomas you may recognize this location ;)
Iris petrana- some nice forms and a pure yellow!
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Iris samariae in flowering in the greenhouse
This species is really superb!
Hendrik
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Hendrik, Hans and Fred- your plants are amazing!
Some pictures from my trip today to the Negev Desert.
Iris mariae- Thomas you may recognize this location ;)
Iris petrana- some nice forms and a pure yellow!
Miriam,
Thank you very much for showing this marvellous plants.
I expect flowers on my plants of antilibanotica and jordana.
Will show them very soon...
Hendrik
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Thank's Miriam !
Superb pics and plants ! But I still don't know why it's called iris petrana as it's really completly different from I. petrana ex Jordan.
The yellow form is :o :P
hendrick, wer'e looking for your pictures ;)
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Superb Miriam! The yellow one is breathtaking, but I.p.1 is also a very beautiful specimen! :o
I agree completly with Fred, using the old name Iris hieruchamensis for israelian plants might make sense to separate them from the Jordanian Iris petrana.
I expect flowers on my plants of antilibanotica and jordana.
Will show them very soon...
Hendrik
Yes please! :D
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Yes Hans, even the habit is different : I. petrana forming clumps while I. hieruchamensis seems to very more stoloniferous.
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Back last Monday from that fascinating week in Israel, with the Mediterranean Garden Society group led so brilliantly by Oron Peri. Here are a few more oncos, pictures below, notably I. atrofusca in the Negev, and the endemic form of I. petrana (syn. hieruchamensis) at Yeroham – a single early plant, brought into flower by dew condensing nightly on a tall metal electricity mast beside it. At the Poleg Stream dunes we found one late plant of I. atropurpurea. The only other iris we saw in the wild was I. grant-duffyi, in that swampy ground on the Golan Heights, among vivid Anemone coronaria. (I was able to convince myself that there was a faint scent of primroses!)
At Ramat Hanadiv in the Rothschild memorial gardens the fine collection of oncos included I. mairiae, I. haynei, I. giladensis, another form of I. petrana, from Mishor Yamin; and the star of the show, I. bismarkiana.
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Nice trip Alisdair :o
I also agree with you, Iris bismarkiana is a star !
it seems that this year was quite dry and not so many flowers isn't it ?
and may be this post will be better in the onco section ??? maggy ???
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Hello Alisdair- a warm welcome to the forum.
You will likely know that here we think very highly of Oron, so it is no wonder that you have enjoyed such a marvelous trip!
Your photos of these stunning Iris are much appreciated, thank you for sharing with us.
PS I will move this to the Onco Section...... :)
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Hello Alisdair, a warm welcome also from me!
Thanks for sharing those superb pictures of this fantastic plants! No doubt a trip with Oron is always more than interesting!
As Oncos are such fantastic photo subjects I hope it is ok to show some more pics I took today of some species I have already posted:
Iris nigricans, Iris camillae and Iris damascena make a very good performance this year.
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better than in nature Hans :o ;D
Iris camillae clump is fantastic; how old is it ?
Oron is a fantastic guy, like many other in his country ;) and he knows perfectly the native plants; it's always great time to spend with him.
He's now in Jordan, leading another group and I suppose we'll get some news nice pics.... wait and see ;D
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Thanks a lot Fred, the clump is formed by different plants/clones, but most flowers are of the same clone - here one of the seedlings.
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Hans, you make me crazy !!!
incredible plant and superbissime picture..... :P
This clone is stuning and you can put a red point on it ;)
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It has a red point. ;)
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Heaven, when I get there - if I get there - will be richly planted wirth oncocyclus irises. Maybe a few reticulatas among them. ;D
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Alisdair,
I particularly like Iris giladensis - it is not in A Guide to Species Irises so can someone let me know if it is a form of something else or is it a newly declared species.
I had not heard of the Rothschild memorial garden before. I wonder if you might like to write an article for the ASI Yearbook on this garden. What is the full name so that I can do a search for it?
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Pat, I can give you the first explanations.
This is a botanical garden North of Tel Aviv, where David SHAHAK is building a big Onco collection with all the species from the area.
So in about 1000 m², you can see all oncos at the same time, but not flowering at the same time of course.
He's doing lot of seed propagation, but Alisdair and Miriam should give us much more informations.
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Pat, I can give you the first explanations.
This is a botanical garden North of Tel Aviv, where David SHAHAK is building a big Onco collection with all the species from the area.
So in about 1000 m², you can see all oncos at the same time, but not flowering at the same time of course.
He's doing lot of seed propagation, but Alisdair and Miriam should give us much more informations.
I'm very curious to hear more about this garden!
Hans, your Iris camillae is splendid.
Herewith a picture of Iris damascena and Iris jordana (both pot grown plants), today in flower in Belgium.
Hendrik
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And here: damascena
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hendrik,
that jordana is a knock out! Wow, what depth of tone and elegance of form. thanks for sharing this one. :o :o :o
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hendrik,
that jordana is a knock out! Wow, what depth of tone and elegance of form. thanks for sharing this one. :o :o :o
Thank you!
Hendrik
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Fantastic grown plants, Hendrik! :o
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I agree with Jamie : iris Jordana is just fantastic : colour and shape
congratulations for both species hendrick !
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Found the garden on the web:
http://www.ramat-hanadiv.org.il/index_en.aspx
Hendrik lovely oncos.
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Pat and Hendrik (and Fred),
The closest I can get to pinning down I. giladensis (which I'm pretty sure it was spelled on the label) is that in the 1933 Flora of Syria an iris was described as Iris atropurpurea var. gileadensis. The current Kew/Missouri Bot Garden "The Plant List" (which despite being obviously a work-in-progress, with all the defects that naturally go with that, is a wonderful tool) sinks this into Iris atrofusca, but admits to low confidence limits on that judgement, which really means that the question is pretty much open as to whether or not this iris is truly a separate taxon.
We did incidentally bump into David Shahak out in the field - or I should say flat out on the field, as he was stretched full length out on the ground busily measuring and photographing. Oron says David certainly knows far more about Israel's oncos than anyone else.
Here is a link to the Rothschild memorial gardens at Ramat Hanadiv:
http://www.ramat-hanadiv.org.il/lobby.aspx?boneId=323
They are excellent, with a strong educational bent (bee/butterfly gardens etc), an emphasis on native plants (e.g the onco area, which is to dream about); the total area is over 400 hectares, largely a nature park, which surrounds the central area of well laid out and tended themed gardens.
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Very nice display Hendrik, Hans and Alisdair :o
This is what I know about Iris gileadensis: Iris gileadensis is not Iris atropurpurea. The distribution of Iris atropurpurea is limited to the Mediterranean coast line. Iris gileadensis is Iris haynei (dark forms) from Jordan ( Gilead is an area refers to the mountainous region east of the Jordan River, situated in the present-day Kingdom of Jordan).
Here is the twin-brother of Hans' Iris damascena ;)
I thought it is pretty similar to Iris hermona, but they are very different both in leaves and flowers.
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This winter I lost ~80% (may be even more) of my Oncocyclus :'( :'( :'(
Janis
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Like Janis, I lost many of my oncos, but in the other hand some older seedlings have germinate. Needless to say I am more than shocked by the amazing pictures that all of you have posted, congratulations.
Definitively I have to paint Iris camillae and Iris damascena, maybe together in the same plate!!!??.... Hansi? Miri? any picture that you could send meeeeeeeeee :'( ;D
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Gorgeous plants everybody !!
I've got Iris Paradoxa flowering in the garden - with possibility to give it some summer cover when needed.
I'm trying it outside and will have to see if I have the same result next year...
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WOW :o :) :o
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Gorgeous plants everybody !!
I've got Iris Paradoxa flowering in the garden - with possibility to give it some summer cover when needed.
I'm trying it outside and will have to see if I have the same result next year...
Well grown, Luc!
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This winter I lost ~80% (may be even more) of my Oncocyclus :'( :'( :'(
Janis
Janis,
The irises you give me during so many years, grow here in Belgium very well.
I will help you to rebuilt your collection!
Hendrik
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Well grown Miriam and Luc !
Rafa and Janis, I'm also here to save part of onco species, so I will help you to rebuild your collection, as I think it's the only way to save them : to share them !
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Well grown Miriam and Luc !
Rafa and Janis, I'm also here to save part of onco species, so I will help you to rebuild your collection, as I think it's the only way to save them : to share them !
Indeed Fred! The only way to save them is to share them.
Hendrik
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Very nice display Hendrik, Hans and Alisdair :o
This is what I know about Iris gileadensis: Iris gileadensis is not Iris atropurpurea. The distribution of Iris atropurpurea is limited to the Mediterranean coast line. Iris gileadensis is Iris haynei (dark forms) from Jordan ( Gilead is an area refers to the mountainous region east of the Jordan River, situated in the present-day Kingdom of Jordan).
Here is the twin-brother of Hans' Iris damascena ;)
I thought it is pretty similar to Iris hermona, but they are very different both in leaves and flowers.
Very beautiful damascena Miriam!
You can see that they grow in the environment of their homeland.
Hendrik
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I too am thoroughly enjoying the photos which are amazing.
Rafa if you want to see any of your onco paintings on a cover of an ASI Yearbook or two just let me know.
So sad that you have lost so many of your oncos Janis and Rafa but heartwarming to read of the offers of replacements from other members whose irises have fared better.
You don't know how lucky you are to be able to bring in such irises without all the red tape and hoops you have to jump through here in Oz - plus of course the deep pockets and luck you need here.
Arils here are coming away nicely with lots of fresh new leaves. The long range weather forecaster is predicting cold and dry April and May here this year so that possibly means frosts. I better get their gravel covers thicker before it comes. Ants which have made their homes under some of the arils have been dusted and the small snails will get treated too.
A couple of new seedlings have appeared this week in pots. Must be the cold that triggers some of them. Atropurpurea is of course the first to show germination.
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Yesterday we had a lot of sun here in Belgium.
Two onco's start flowering: Iris sprengeri and Iris nigricans, both plants from our friend Janis.
As you can see no problem to send Janis some offsets of Iris sprengeri.
Hendrik
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Hendrick,
you have a knack for raising wonderful oncos in pots. I've had much more success in a gravel garden. Can you tell us a bit more about your potting regimen. Mixture? Potting season? Year round maintainance? Your I. sprengeri is perfect. I've not managed to keep it more that 2 years, so far.
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More beauties Hendrik !! :o
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very nice indeed Hendrik. If only I could........................ ;D
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You're right Jamie,
I don't have such a success with Onco's in pots in the greenhouse, only pots in the frame but much better in the open bed...
what is your secret Hendrick ?
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Outside, in the bulb frame, Iris swensoniana, from Syria, is flowering ; as always, looks very different depending of the light direction.
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Magnificent, Fred. Outstanding!
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Hendrick,
you have a knack for raising wonderful oncos in pots. I've had much more success in a gravel garden. Can you tell us a bit more about your potting regimen. Mixture? Potting season? Year round maintainance? Your I. sprengeri is perfect. I've not managed to keep it more that 2 years, so far.
The secret (?) is loam and akadama (I think).
I had the possibility to visit several countries where onco's grow; I saw that they always grow in heavy soils, mixed with chalk stones; the soil is not particularly poor!
So I decided to add a sandy loam in my mixture, together with akadama (Japanese clay pellets) - see google.
My mixture is: equal volume parts of split (here we call it Japanese split), coarse river sand, small dolomite stones (yellow sun 8 - 11 mm), akadama, sandy loam, ordinary potting soil + bonemeal.
I use always clay pots; they stay just to the rim in a sand bed.
Watering must be done carefully, but due the presence of akadama most of the free water is quickly absorbed; so a few hours after a water gift my soil feels humid, but never wet; otherwise there is always sufficient water available during the growing season. I add sandy loam, because loam can absorb a lot of nutrients ... important to achieve strong growing plants
Potting season: October.
First watering after summer: as late as possible October - November (even December if possible)
I try to reduce leaf grow during winter, but that's not easy in my climate. So I use artificial led lights during the dullest months of the year, but I have my doubts if this make the difference.
And maybethe most important thing: everyday of the year I visit my greenhouse and check the plants....
Hendrik
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You're right Jamie,
I don't have such a success with Onco's in pots in the greenhouse, only pots in the frame but much better in the open bed...
what is your secret Hendrick ?
Frederic,
I think you must avoid as long as possible early leaf growth in autumn...
I received in December plants of the collection of Jim Archibald; they were in very bad condition and extremely dry.
I thought: impossible that such rhizomes will recover.
During this winter: no leaf or very little leaf growth.
Next week I will show you flowers! Unbelievable!
Hendrik
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I agree with you Hendrick regarding starting growth time : they usually start mid september here which is too early.
This year I'll start to delay it untill december.
In the greenhouse, may main problem is temperature as they're grown with caudiciforms plants, so I have to keep minimum 9°C and sometimes more than 25°C durung winter days.
I've really more success growing them in the bed ( with rain protection) so I think I'll build another one to put all plants in this conditions.
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I read that growers want to keep them from growing as long as possible but I find that they start growth without any holding them back here. Rhizomes that I have dug previously and stored in paper bags start growth by themselves and I NEED to put them in the ground. I am going to try to protect them in the middle of winter from too much rain (if we get it) and maybe a little frost protection too.
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As a person struggling to learn how to grow these plants (I only have a couple so far to kill ::)) I find the information and experience of growers sharing their experience here very helpful. Thanks
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Hendric, when do your temperatures drop so cold that the Iris stop growing for the winter?
I repot in September because the warmer days and cooler nights at that time of year seems to stimulate root growth. That is too soon if cold weather comes late in December because they are growing for too long but if the cold comes early, and they are not well rooted, they suffer in the winter.
I try to avoid a lot of leaf before winter by giving very little water once the plant is growing and recoverd from repotting. I give no water from the end of October untill warm weather in February.
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Hendrick,
thanks for the secret! I've tried watering a clay slurry into the gravel beds to create a heavier, non-organic soil, but it does tend to soak up the water in Winter. Not always good. I've not tried akadama clay. Does it break down or is it a lightly fired clay? I know it is very popular for bonsai, but, other than the internet, I've never seen it offered.
I can't stop them from growing in the Autumn, actually, I have a lot of seed germination in Septembre to Decembre and most overwinter very well. Generally, those with pure of more than 50% onco genes want to start growing early, while the regelias seem to wait until they have a freeze to start back into growth. I find I. hoogiana very difficult, though, regardless of how I treat it. Don't know why. I. stolonifera generally does quite well for me. The last teo Winters have hit -15°C, which is bloody cold for Cologne.
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Hendrick,
So glad that you got some of Jim Archibald's oncos to grow on. You seem to know exactly what to do for success with them.
Pat
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Here is the twin-brother of Hans' Iris damascena ;)
Wow, it looks great!! It does not seem to miss its family. ;)
Luc, Hendrik and Fred, your plants are fantastic! :o
Hendrik, I am very glad to read some of Jim Archibalds plants went in such skilled hands!
Had also received some plants of his collection, I felt like you and hoped to get them growing - and they did - but I do not expect any flower of them this year.
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Sorry friends, I'm not able to answer on all questions and post more pictures.
I'm back on April 12th.
Hendrik
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Back from a five weeks tours around Israel and Jordan.
All Oncocyclus were up to one month late this year dew to the late rains.
These are photos of I. bostrensis taken ten days ago from a site in Jordan, just a few Km south to the Syrian border, probably the only site of this species out of Syria.
Common form is the dark one but here are a few brighter specimen.
Habitat is extremely dry, white lime soil, only one other species is growing there at the moment, Asphodelus aestivus.
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Totally amazing pictures Oron !
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Thanks Luc,
Here are photos of the variable Iris haynei from different populations.
Dark one is called by some I. Jordana while the dark purple I.Giladensis.
In my opinion they are all just color forms of the widespread Iris haynei.
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This season was particularly good for I. atropurpurea.
It flowered in early March in large quantities along the Israeli coast.
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WOW!Stunning pics Oron
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ABSOLUTLY PERFECT ORON :P
please more fom it.........
cheers
chris
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Adore the black I. atropurpurea! 8)
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Thank you so much Oron for posting these stunning photos.
I particularly like the one with the view behind.
I am trying to 'see' the differences between the species with a keener eye but some differences must be pretty minor.
If you know of a botanical artist who is willing to do line drawings which are to scale which could be done on a see through paper (tracing paper) so that the species could be compared to each other it would be an invaluable tool.
I will also put this suggestion to the ASI membership.
Time and funding would be the issue.
:(
I guess it could become a project that is a long time coming such as THE juno book.
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Superb Oron !
I thought I. bostrensis would be a bit later this year... :( how high is the location ?
Great Iris haynei population, very difficult to make difference between I. haynei, giladensis and kordana...
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First of all: Thank you Fred!, here ther is only in bloom Iris lineata and many pogon Iris but Oncos just CER0... I don't understand what happen in my bulb frame... maybe I will change the soild composition...
Second: Thank you Pat, I will try to paint any onco, specially any Syrian or Israelian one if any kind friend send me a picture... :'( ;D
Third: Hendrik, splendid plants, I never have success with I . sprengeri :-\
Fourth: Oron, you are my hero! what a beautiful image I. grant-dufii in the nature, and the rest are just marvellous, specially to me those I. bostrensis.
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Superb Oron !
I thought I. bostrensis would be a bit later this year... :( how high is the location ?
Great Iris haynei population, very difficult to make difference between I. haynei, giladensis and kordana...
Thanks for your comments all :)
Fred, I. bostrensis in Jordan grows at about 650m and is the first Onco. to bloom there.
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I am trying to 'see' the differences between the species with a keener eye but some differences must be pretty minor.
If you know of a botanical artist who is willing to do line drawings which are to scale which could be done on a see through paper (tracing paper) so that the species could be compared to each other it would be an invaluable tool.
Pat,
I don't think it is possible to do such a thing since most of the Onco. around this area are very variable in color, size and shape of leaves.
In many cases if you will have a cut flower out of its native habitat, no one will be able to say for sure which species it is.
This genus is still evolving and many forms and some species haven't stabled yet to form a definitive 'type'.
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The king of blacks, Iris nigricans is common, it is easily recognized by the bluish-green, curved leaves and long stem.
Finally, Iris bismarckiana which grows only in one location in Jordan, probably introduced from Nazareth many years ago.
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I don't think it is possible to do such a thing since most of the Onco. around this area are very variable in color, size and shape of leaves.
In many cases if you will have a cut flower out of its native habitat, no one will be able to say for sure which species it is.
This genus is still evolving and many forms and some species haven't stabled yet to form a definitive 'type'.
Very true! I've long had the hunch that if botanists ever did a truly comprehensive study of the oncocyclus, the group would reduce to 6 to 10 species. All have identical karyotype, all are perfectly interfertile, and several studies show continuous geographical variation in their measurable characters.
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Welcome back, Oron!
Fantastic photos :o
David Shahak was also in Jordan:
http://www.tapuz.co.il/Forums2008/ViewMsg.aspx?ForumId=465&MessageId=151163017
To those who do not read Hebrew ;D -You can click on the JPG files and you will see the photos.
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:o Fantastic pictures Oron!!! Thanks a lot for sharing them with us!
I don't think it is possible to do such a thing since most of the Onco. around this area are very variable in color, size and shape of leaves.
In many cases if you will have a cut flower out of its native habitat, no one will be able to say for sure which species it is.
This genus is still evolving and many forms and some species haven't stabled yet to form a definitive 'type'.
Cannot agree more - as examples here some Iris kirkwoodii - first belongs to ssp. calcarea but second and third? This two clones of syrian origin are something different (3. from a very generous forumist as single shot, thanks a lot!)- flowers are a bit larger and pale, plants are larger and a bit more floriferous (clone 3 about 50(!) buds).
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Second: Thank you Pat, I will try to paint any onco, specially any Syrian or Israelian one if any kind friend send me a picture... :'( ;D
Rafa, will send you pictures, and maybe something more... ;)
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Hans,
every year, when I see your kirkwoodi collection, I skip and my heart skips a beat. I finally have germinated a seed and it looks like it will carry on.
danke,
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Many many Onco's are showing buds now... that I'll missed as I'll be away for one week... :( :'( :'( :'(
that's the main problem when travelling at this period of the year.
Iris damascena is flowering now, enormous flower as usual, but only one.. >:(
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Fred it looks like you will have many more to see when you get back.
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Yes Pat, but as it's very hot now in France, they will grow fastly and the other problem is that I won't be able to manage all the pollinations by myself, resulting in inter specifics crossings...
As I don't want them, I'll sent you the seeds if I have and you want ;D
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Maybe only one Fred, but ONE beauty it is !!
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Yes Pat, but as it's very hot now in France, they will grow fastly and the other problem is that I won't be able to manage all the pollinations by myself, resulting in inter specifics crossings...
As I don't want them, I'll sent you the seeds if I have and you want ;D
Moment! Put me on that list, Fred. I know that feeling, not being around for the bloom season. I'm very busy from now until end of July, but this year, I've planned an extra day free each week, which will hopefully actually give ma an occaisional extra day. Some one always becomes ill at work and guess who has to cover? ::)
Pat, I have quite a few seedlings this Spring from your seed. Some lortetii crosses, as well as hermona and samariae. And, they are looking very healthy! Three to 4 leaves at this point.
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Ok Jamie ;)
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Thanks Fred and I don't mind sharing at all with you Jamie. :)So glad to know some of the seed are germinating for you Jamie. :D
What more do you need in life than to see rare and interesting seed germinating?...... don't answer that I know there is plenty more to survive and prosper but....... ::)
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Thanks Fred and I don't mind sharing at all with you Jamie. :)So glad to know some of the seed are germinating for you Jamie. :D
What more do you need in life than to see rare and interesting seed germinating?...... don't answer that I know there is plenty more to survive and prosper but....... ::)
Pat,
a small confesion. Today, it is sunny, warm and an ever so gentle breeze keeps refilling my lungs with the wonders of Spring. I'm basking in these glorious moments and nothing can touch me. A feather-like soul comes to us all too seldom and must be relished like a gourmet meal, by creeping low amongst the pathways and beds, letting yourself be filled with the wonder unfolding about you. One feels so small, yet so great, in that one had a hand in the bounty. You can feel the tears swelling as one watches sprouting seeds reaching for the lifegiving sun in a world abosolutely strange to their homelands. Do I want and iced tea or a gin and tonic. Oh, how the question tourchers the spirit. The thirst, the thirst.
PS: thanks Fred!
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Thanks Fred and I don't mind sharing at all with you Jamie. :)So glad to know some of the seed are germinating for you Jamie. :D
What more do you need in life than to see rare and interesting seed germinating?...... don't answer that I know there is plenty more to survive and prosper but....... ::)
Pat,
a small confesion. Today, it is sunny, warm and an ever so gentle breeze keeps refilling my lungs with the wonders of Spring. I'm basking in these glorious moments and nothing can touch me. A feather-like soul comes to us all too seldom and must be relished like a gourmet meal, by creeping low amongst the pathways and beds, letting yourself be filled with the wonder unfolding about you. One feels so small, yet so great, in that one had a hand in the bounty. You can feel the tears swelling as one watches sprouting seeds reaching for the lifegiving sun in a world abosolutely strange to their homelands. Do I want and iced tea or a gin and tonic. Oh, how the question tourchers the spirit. The thirst, the thirst.
PS: thanks Fred!
Jamie,i am not a religious person but with moments like yours I consider spiritual, well as close as it gets.
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Davey,
neither am I, but one can venture to understand. I'm always in awe of what most people seem to ignore....except those like oneself. Soul brothers and sister. Funkadelic had it right!
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Great clump, Hans!
Fred, don't forget to bring your other passport ;) ;D
Enjoy your trip!
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;) ;D 8)
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Iris sari 'Manissadjani' is flowering here now. I think he's virused, though...so I'll have to restart from seed this year.
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:( what a shame Wim, it's a beautiful flower !
Iris paradoxa opened two new flowers today !
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beautiful Luc, I love this species
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hello,
iris elegantissima today, this year she produced a lot of flowers....i´m so happy about....
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/frei002.jpg?t=1302297350)
cheers
chris
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Christian elegantissima is looking very healthy indeed.
Luc I too love the styling and rich colour of paradoxa.
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Christian elegantissima is looking very healthy indeed.
i´m very lucky about 8)
nice weekend
chris
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hello,
iris elegantissima today, this year she produced a lot of flowers....i´m so happy about....
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/frei002.jpg?t=1302297350)
cheers
chris
Have you a photo of the flowers?
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Great picture Luc!
Here one of my Highlights for this season: Iris nectarifera
It was not easy to establish and the first two years after planting it stayed very small compared to now. This species has been introduced several times in cultivation but it seems to be tricky in bulbframes or greenhouses as most grower I know lost it before they got a flower. There are not many information about this species and the best (and only) picture of the flower I could find in Internet has not the best resolution (http://www.agaclar.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3320 -Nr.10). The second picture I know is one taken by Brian Mathew (Backcover ASI yearbook 2006). The flower he showed has standards of the same colour as the falls.
The colouration of the plant here is similar to those which can occure in Iris sari but veining is something thinner and in difference it produces stolons.
Edit: Iris heylandiana is an other hardly known plant (from Irak) which is said to be related to Iris nectarifera, it also produces stolons - searching for pictures I found this one: http://www.smcallister.com/images/species/heylandiana.jpg (http://www.smcallister.com/images/species/heylandiana.jpg)
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hello arthur,
only from last year, please wait, i will send some photos if they are in bloom the next weeks......
cheers
chris
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Congratulations Hans!
It indeed seems a very close species to Iris sari...but still looking amazing!
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How can I tell I nectarifera apart from sari? I have a plant which is supposed to be nectarifera which has never flowerd, and a form of sari which looks like your picture.
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Amazing! really close to I. sari except stoloniferous character I suposse...
HANS! could I paint this superb picture?
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All these photos really need to be clicked on to enlarge for the full effect.
Beautiful Hans.
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Thanks Miriam, Pat, Peter and Rafa!
Think also the stolons are the main difference to Iris sari - and it seems once established to be a very strong plant, have not seen any such strong looking Iris sari before. The flowering plant on the right is about 40cm high, the fan behind it is from the same plant.
HANS! could I paint this superb picture?
Certainly Rafa! It is a honour for me.
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Hendric, Hans, Fred, your plants are absolutely wonderfull, and so are your pictures.
Oron each of the pictures you have shown take my breath away.
congratulations Luc and Christian on your plants.
A much more modest contribution from me, an Iris sari form has been flowering here and looks to me very like Hans's nectarifera, and an Iris acutiloba lineolata opend today
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Fantastic grown plants, Peter!
Comparing Flowers of Iris sari and those I have as Iris nectarifera I noticed differences in veining. Veins in Iris nectarifera are very fine and continous - with no spots or blotches on a more or less uniform groundcolour. Veining in Iris sari is irregular, often interrupted- with many spots and blotches. Also Oncospots have different forms and colours (darker and more round in I. sari).
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You are right Hans, and the 'sari' has a yellow beard, your nectarifera a white one. Hopefully my plant of nectarifera will flower this year.
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Back again and a lot of onco's are now in full flower.
As promised first of all Iris kirkwoodii from Jim Archibald; look at the beautiful coloured style arms!
I received last year in December from Jenny a completely dry rhizome of this plant;
never though that 4 months later that dead looking thing will give such beautiful flowers (2!)
Hendrik
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Another one: Iris petrana.
The origin of this plant is Petra/Jordan (at an altitude of more than 1500 m); as you can see it's very close to Iris nigricans.
In the second picture you can see the dense beard of purple-tipped hairs on a yellow ground; that should make the difference with Iris nigricans (The Iris, Brian Mathew)?????
Hendrik
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Superb Hendrik !!!
Truly superb !! :o :o
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And to finish for this evening: Iris antilibanotica.
I find this one of the most beautiful oncocyclus irises...
Hendrik
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A good closure for the evening Hendrik... :o :o
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congratulations Hendrik, they look wonderfull!
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Hendrik,
Thanks for showing the finer details of the species. Photos are superb.
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Beautifully grown and photographed, Hendrik. And it's such an intriguing species, genuinely bicolored rather than just more heavily patterned in the falls as many are.
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Your plants are extremely well grown Hendrik.
A few others in flower over here:
Iris paradoxa
Iris iberica ssp elegantissima
Iris lycotis
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Your plants are extremely well grown Hendrik.
A few others in flower over here:
Iris paradoxa
Iris iberica ssp elegantissima
Iris lycotis
Your Iris iberica ssp. elegantissima looks exceptionally good: huge flower on a compact stem.
Far more better than mines; I have not enough sunshine in my greenhouse to keep them as compact as yours ...
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Hendrik & Luc
Great plants and so well photographed
Think I have a bud on an acutiloba. Need some advice to get flowers.
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Luc what an amazing set up you have. The iris love it. How have you made your labels?
Really enjoying these photos Luc and Hendrik.
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Luc and Henrik, your plants are fabolous!
Henrik it is great to see your Iris kirkwoodii from Jim flowering, did you give it a special treatment? The plants I had received from Jenny will not flower this year, but I am more than happy they are all doing fine.
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Great great plants and pic everyone !
Hans, your iris nectarifera is superb and I hope to see it in nature one day to compare with I. sari.
Hendrick, your plants are so well grown too, and your iris antilibanotica is just stunning :)
You I. kirkwoodii is also great and quite different from those I've seen; do you know the origin ?
Luc, as Hendrick, I love your I. elegantissima, that i've still not manage to flower here, although plants are growing well.
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Flowering here today:
Iris acutiloba
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Wim
Is your plant in the soil - or in a pot buried in the soil?
Good flower
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Another Iris paradoxa in flower, this one supplied by Norman Stevens.
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Superb plants Wim and Luc
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Luc and Henrik, your plants are fabolous!
Henrik it is great to see your Iris kirkwoodii from Jim flowering, did you give it a special treatment? The plants I had received from Jenny will not flower this year, but I am more than happy they are all doing fine.
No Hans, no special treatment. I never do that.
This year most of my onco's and even new offsets flower; I really don't understand....
Good luck? Soil? Never had so much sun in March/April?
Hendrik
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Wim
Is your plant in the soil - or in apot buried in the soil?
Good flower
Arthur,
it grows in a raised bed in pure sand outside. It gets a cover from June until September to get a dry summer rest.
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Great picture Luc!
Here one of my Highlights for this season: Iris nectarifera
It was not easy to establish and the first two years after planting it stayed very small compared to now. This species has been introduced several times in cultivation but it seems to be tricky in bulbframes or greenhouses as most grower I know lost it before they got a flower. There are not many information about this species and the best (and only) picture of the flower I could find in Internet has not the best resolution (http://www.agaclar.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3320 -Nr.10). The second picture I know is one taken by Brian Mathew (Backcover ASI yearbook 2006). The flower he showed has standards of the same colour as the falls.
The colouration of the plant here is similar to those which can occure in Iris sari but veining is something thinner and in difference it produces stolons.
Edit: Iris heylandiana is an other hardly known plant (from Irak) which is said to be related to Iris nectarifera, it also produces stolons - searching for pictures I found this one: http://www.smcallister.com/images/species/heylandiana.jpg (http://www.smcallister.com/images/species/heylandiana.jpg)
Hans,
Ten years ago a Dutch friend gave me an oncocyclus iris called Iris nectarifera; he had collected this plant in Turkey, but I don't know where and I lost all contact with him.
I'm so free to post a picture of this plant, who start flowered today.
I don't know what it is, but he resembles very strong your plant ... and probably I show an other form of nectarifera???
I have never seen stolons, but I was not so interested in this plant and have neglected him many years.
Hendrik
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Flowering here today:
Iris acutiloba
Wim, nice plant.
Is it ssp. acutiloba?, with 2 onco spots?
Your plant is very late!
Hendrik
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Great great plants and pic everyone !
Hans, your iris nectarifera is superb and I hope to see it in nature one day to compare with I. sari.
Hendrick, your plants are so well grown too, and your iris antilibanotica is just stunning :)
You I. kirkwoodii is also great and quite different from those I've seen; do you know the origin ?
Luc, as Hendrick, I love your I. elegantissima, that i've still not manage to flower here, although plants are growing well.
Hi Fred,
Yes, I have the origin of this Iris kirkwoodii from Archibald:
N° 590.256: Syria, W of Aleppo, Bishmishli. Rocky outcrops between cultivated fields Ex R.&R Wallis 95-09 (From a type-locality collection of this spectacular relative of I. gatesi from around the border of Turkey & Syria....
I have two identical plants; unfortunately the plants are slightly virus infected...
Amitiés
Hendrik
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Very nice plant this iris nectarifera.
It's said to be in Turkey and in Syria too. never seen it before.
Thank's for informations Hendrick, I've seen this population but not this clone and you will see some other ones soon...
Here also , many onco are flowering, like Iris barnumae, I. iberica ssp. lycotis, I. antilibanotica, I. sofarana ssp. kasruwana...
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Those last two Fred, are outstanding, the colouring of the first and the understated elegance of the second. I adore them both - but from afar! :'(
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I just bought this Onco sp from Roger Barlow of Beaver Creek Greenhouses in
British Columbia.
My upright hand could hide the whole thing. I am only familiar with oncos in
photos, and it is difficult to tell size from them.
Is this plant abnormally small? and any idea what it is?
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I just bought this Onco sp from Roger Barlow of Beaver Creek Greenhouses in
British Columbia.
My upright hand could hide the whole thing. I am only familiar with oncos in
photos, and it is difficult to tell size from them.
Is this plant abnormally small? and any idea what it is?
Hi Diana,
I think it's Iris acutiloba ssp. lineolata (look to the pointed falls).
Hendrik
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I just bought this Onco sp from Roger Barlow of Beaver Creek Greenhouses in
British Columbia ... Is this plant abnormally small? and any idea what it is?
Looks like Iris acutiloba lineolata
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Flowering here today:
Iris acutiloba
Wim, nice plant.
Is it ssp. acutiloba?, with 2 onco spots?
Your plant is very late!
Hendrik
Thanks Hendrik,
Only one spot. The spot visible on the picture...so probably subsp. lineolata??
Planted it last year before summer...so a first time flowerer.
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Iris cedretii is also flowering outside, different clones to get seeds I hope....
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I try not to look at this thread. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ;D
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Iris cedretii is also flowering outside, different clones to get seeds I hope....
Indeed, very beautiful!
How you see the difference with kirkwoodii?
Hendrik
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Two years ago I was in Amman, Jordan.
In a particular street there were many garden centres; in one of this garden centres I found a lot of
pots with oncocyclus irises; unfortunately not in flower en probably wild collected.
I bought 3 pots (price: 1 EURO/pot, very cheap, but in Jordan obviously a good price).
I brought them to Belgium and two years later the plants flowered;
they looked all like Iris jordana, the national flower.
One of the plants is particulary special; I have never seen such a dark flower; it’s as dark as the night.
It’s very hard to make a true colour picture, but I hope you enjoy this beauty.
Hendrik
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For sure it's iris jordana Hendrick, and a nice one.
This species is very dark, but still violet with backlight.
I've also founded some for sale in a garden center, in plastic bags....
Regarding differences between I. cedretii and I. kirkwodii, like most Onco species, first difference is.. geographic!
They don"t grow in the same area.
Iris cedretii is a highland plant, smaller and darker than I. Kirkwoodii.
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For sure it's iris jordana Hendrick, and a nice one.
This species is very dark, but still violet with backlight.
I've also founded some for sale in a garden center, in plastic bags....
Regarding differences between I. cedretii and I. kirkwodii, like most Onco species, first difference is.. geographic!
They don"t grow in the same area.
Iris cedretii is a highland plant, smaller and darker than I. Kirkwoodii.
Frédéric, picture is taken by my son during my absence last week;
he told me that the flower was far more darker...
Thank you for explication cedretii - kirkwoodii.
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Woooow, Fred and Henrik thanks for showing those wonderful and perfect grown plant! Just great!!!
Hans,
Ten years ago a Dutch friend gave me an oncocyclus iris called Iris nectarifera; he had collected this plant in Turkey, but I don't know where and I lost all contact with him.
I'm so free to post a picture of this plant, who start flowered today.
I don't know what it is, but he resembles very strong your plant ... and probably I show an other form of nectarifera???
I have never seen stolons, but I was not so interested in this plant and have neglected him many years.
Hendrik
Thanks Henrik, yes I agree, it should be the same species! Here a pic of the group of Iris nectarifera, it is formed by three plants. The flowering fans are the first fans of the first two plants (the third was given to me from a very generous forumist one year later). The other Fans appeared so far about 10 to 25 cm from the initially planted fans and are much larger. Maybe an indication it does not like to be transplanted.
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When I received some seed a few years ago as I. cedretii from one of the exchanges, it turned out to be a Sibirica form. >:(
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Lesley, If I got seeds this year, I'll send you some which will be the true species.
Just remind me end of june.
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Wow what beautiful oncos flowering for you all.
Fred a list of those oncos that look very similar but are from different regions would be good.
eg. cedrettii (high) kirkwoodii (low)
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It don't stop ...
Today Iris meda is flowering.
Really 'Honey Gold', as Paul Furse described.
Unfortunately two other clones are not flowering, but a hybrid (?) between meda and barnumae, the so-called "moleskin irises" shows a flower!
Hendrik
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I'm looking forward to seeing the "moleskin" irises.
I have seen them mentioned on occasions.
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My first Onco a new passion for me I kirkwoodi thanks Peter T
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Glad it grew so well Ian :)
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My first Onco a new passion for me I kirkwoodi thanks Peter T
That is lovely, Ian, you must be pleased with it. Irises are very photogenic aren't they?
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Glad it grew so well Ian :)
Thanks Peter but I think it was prepared by its previous owner ;)
My first Onco a new passion for me I kirkwoodi thanks Peter T
That is lovely, Ian, you must be pleased with it. Irises are very photogenic aren't they?
They are striking aren't they Maggi 8)
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My first Onco a new passion for me I kirkwoodi thanks Peter T
Indeed, I. kirkwoodii is a very nice species, and not so difficult!
A dangerous passion...
Hendrik
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hello,
the first onco is open today...
iris elegantissima
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/nmnb001.jpg?t=1303390279)
cheers
chris
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I'm looking forward to seeing the "moleskin" irises.
I have seen them mentioned on occasions.
Herewith the picture of a "moleskin" iris (Iran). Hybrid or a new species?
Plant is rather small (20 cm) and flower only 4,5 cm high; it is not a good grower...
Enjoy.
Hendrik
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wow! BRAVO! for all of you for this fantastic Iris season.
Hendrik, I would say Moleskin is a pure species.
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Hendrik is that all beard or part signal spot. How amazing is that - love it.
What reasons do you think it is not a good grower?
Pat
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Hendrik is that all beard or part signal spot. How amazing is that - love it.
What reasons do you think it is not a good grower?
Pat
Pat,
Herewith a new picture to show you the complete fall; yes, indeed, it's all beard - around beard you have a white zone and than the signal spot.
Compare with I. meda it is here a weak plant, with thin leaves (3-4 mm). Unfortunately I have only one plant, so no possibility to obtain seeds....
Rafa,
Yes, I think too that it is a new species; I got this plant from my Latvian friend and he too says the same!
Hendrik
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Hendrik,
great fotos of the moleskin. I've seen it pictured in a few articles (ASI journal?), but never in such detail. Thanks! I had always thought it must be an undescribed species, as it simply doesn't fit to any currently know. Probably related to sari and nectarifera, maybe a link to the acutiloba group. Was this collected in Syria of further East towards Iran? Someone else must have a clone to crosspollinate. A truly spectacular little creation, isn't it? Save the pollen and freeze it, just in case. Or make a cross with something, anything.
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Thanks so much Hendrik for the closeup.
Reminds me of a bumble bee (only seen them in NZ as we do not have them in Oz)
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Superb plant Hendrick, and what a pity that you only have one clone :'(
I think there are still some specied to discover and describe in this group.
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Superb plant Henrik!
This plants are often mentioned as 'Moleskin Iris', Meda - hybrids or Iris polakii. Jim Archibald had them running as Iris aff. barnumae, but as Bob Wallis told me he also was convinced it was a new taxon. I have received two plants from Jenny Archibald last year - hope those are two different clones and will develope well so they could flower next year.
Actually a fantastic dark form of Iris paradoxa atrata is flowering. It is grown from seed I received from a very generous forumist from Armenia some years ago. Thank you very much! ;)
The second is Iris gatesii.
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What a fantastic paradoxa - stunning
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I agree, fantastic paradoxa form ! and iris gatesii... :o :o :o
I'm waiting for 2 flowers of it this year, also from a generous forumer... ;)
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Thanks Arthur and Fred!
Hope to see a pictureof your Iris gatesii soon. ;)
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Iris gatesii is still on my wants/need/lust for list
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The pictures just get better and better. What fabulous plants our forumists are growing. I'd never see anything like them if you weren't so happy to share your pictures with us. Millions of thanks.
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Iris nigricans starting to flower now...
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The pictures just get better and better. What fabulous plants our forumists are growing. I'd never see anything like them if you weren't so happy to share your pictures with us. Millions of thanks.
Lesley, I could not agree more: the range of plants shown us both from the wild and from the gardens of the Forumists is quite astounding and I am constantly delighted by the photos shared here.
Also to read of all the sharing of plant material and seed that goes on between members is exciting just to hear about... makes the Forum SO much more important to us all.
As you say Lesley, even if you in some countries cannot access even seed of therse plants at least you get to see them.
Magic, it's just magic! Thank you ALL!!
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The pictures just get better and better. What fabulous plants our forumists are growing. I'd never see anything like them if you weren't so happy to share your pictures with us. Millions of thanks.
Lesley, I could not agree more: the range of plants shown us both from the wild and from the gardens of the Forumists is quite astounding and I am constantly delighted by the photos shared here.
Also to read of all the sharing of plant material and seed that goes on between members is exciting just to hear about... makes the Forum SO much more important to us all.
As you say Lesley, even if you in some countries cannot access even seed of therse plants at least you get to see them.
Magic, it's just magic! Thank you ALL!!
All right what you write Maggie!
And to make your words complete a picture of an Iranian iris who flowers today here in Belgium;
as you know this plant is only recently described and I'm very happy that I can share this very special plant with all the forumists!
Enjoy Iris acutiloba ssp. longitepala and a special thank to Janis ;)
Hendrik
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How strange and exquisite is that iris. No wonder it has its name.
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hello,
now in bloom iris nigricans....
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/bbh001.jpg?t=1303550889)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/bbh006.jpg?t=1303550909)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/bbh012.jpg?t=1303550925)
iris elegantissima
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/bbh003.jpg?t=1303550944)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/bbh004.jpg?t=1303550974)
cheers
chris
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Christian what long stems on Iris nigricans - your clump of elegantissima is stunning. Hope this year I get a flower on my tiny elegantissima.
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hello,
now in bloom iris nigricans....
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/bbh001.jpg?t=1303550889)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/bbh006.jpg?t=1303550909)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/bbh012.jpg?t=1303550925)
iris elegantissima
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/bbh003.jpg?t=1303550944)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/bbh004.jpg?t=1303550974)
cheers
chris
Lovely!
Hendrik
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thanks hendrik, here in full sun....
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/xcy007.jpg?t=1303565095)
cheers
chris
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Hans and Hendrik- you have such great and well-grown collections :o
Chris, I didn't realize until now how small Iris elegantissima is comparing to Iris nigricans ::)
I am surprised to see that your Iris nigricans is doing so well outside in your garden after the harsh winter...
Iris nigricans starting to flower now...
Mine is also started to flower today ;)
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Here are some pictures of Iris lortetii I took today in nature at the north of Israel near the Israel-Lebanon border.
Iris lortetii in this location (700 meters above sea level) is getting about 900 mm of rain during the winter time and the area where it grows is very lush and green with forests.
I had to climb a steep slope to see the huge flowers from a closer look, it was worth it!
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Here are some forms:
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miriam, thanks....i like your habitat pictures very well, fantastic.....
my oncos where cultivatet outside in dry limestone place, under an old pinus pinea in full sun....over the winter months only rain protection....they doing very good, you see at the pictures...i´ve iris sari variaties and iris sprengeri behind nigricans and elegantissima...
cheers
chris
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Superb Iris acutiloba ssp. longitepala Hendrik! :o
Thanks Miriam! Fantastic pictures of Iris lortetii - always enjoy pictures of plants in their habitat! Do you know wich plant is this on picture nr. 9 (red buds)?
Beautiful pictures of Iris nigricans everyone, it is also one of my favorites, here a picture (taken last month! ::)) and one of Iris kirkwoodii (please overlook the weeds ;)).
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I am currently reading "The Tower of Babel" by Morris West. The locus for the story includes Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Jordon, Egypt. The year is 1966 and the region is on the brink of war which, in hindsight, we know did happen. Here we are, 45 years later; maybe a little has changed, maybe not, with Libya and Syria at war with their own people and still great instability everywhere in the Middle East. Yet as we see here, the irises which for me define the area as nothing else can, not wars, religions, politics of any kind, thankfully flower on year by year. May it please whatever God one believes in that some day the irises, will unite and not the ideologies divide, the many peoples and nationalities of this ancient civilization.
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Miriam thanks for showing Iris lortetii in its natural habitat. The countryside is so different to what I had imagined.
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Here are some forms:
Thank you Miriam!
Wonderful iris... probably one of the most beautiful oncocyclus irises!
Hendrik
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Thanks Miriam! Fantastic pictures of Iris lortetii - always enjoy pictures of plants in their habitat! Do you know wich plant is this on picture nr. 9 (red buds)?
Thanks.
The plant is Helichrysum sanguineum, a beautiful annual plant.
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Thank you very much Miriam, did not know this interesting plant with significance!
Wonderful iris... probably one of the most beautiful oncocyclus irises!
Hendrik I totally agree with you!
Your comment let me start to think which could be the most beautiful one - started to make a list, but could not decide ... so I wanted to start a second list about the less beautiful ones - the page stayed empty... ;)
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you are very right Hans
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Have you all seen the stunning little hybrid (barnumae x paradoxa) shown at the weekend at the AGS Cleveland Show (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7165.0)? A little beauty in yellow and deep purple/crimson. 8)
edited to include direct link
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Thank you very much Miriam, did not know this interesting plant with significance!
Wonderful iris... probably one of the most beautiful oncocyclus irises!
Hendrik I totally agree with you!
Your comment let me start to think which could be the most beautiful one - started to make a list, but could not decide ... so I wanted to start a second list about the less beautiful ones - the page stayed empty... ;)
Some people says Iris sari is one of the less beautiful ones;
before to say this judgement herewith some different forms of I. sari; it also shows the variability in this easy growing species!
Hendrik
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Beautiful sari Hendrik.
oncos have started flowering here, more modest than the clumps by Fred Hans Hendric and Chris
Iris barnumae barnumae
Iris paradoxa 'Sevan' from Janis a few years ago
Iris iberica iberica from also from Janis a few years ago
Iris kirkwoodii grown from M Boussard seed
Iris elegantissima from last years Aril Soc. Distribution
(Modified to correct the picture of kirkwoodii)
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Iris elegantissima
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Iris iberica from Janis
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Christian, your iris nigricans looks like Iris jordana, which is more violet...
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Christian, your iris nigricans looks like Iris jordana, which is more violet...
I agree with you Frédéric! ;)
Correct names are important...
Hendrik
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I agree with you both ;)
Sometimes it is hardly possible to tell apart one species from another, on pictures depending the camara and light conditions it is even more complicate. Have been given one as Iris nigricans which looked a bit different, checking the collection data I found out it was collected about 20 km south of Petra... ::)
When you obtain plants in trade you get normally plants without any collection data, so like this Iris nigricans (?) which once came from PC.
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Beautiful Iris sari forms, Henrik! This species is really variable including very fine and less beautiful ones.
Fine collection Peter, your Iris iberica looks like ssp. lycotis.
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Hans, according to geography, your iris should be iris petrana, but it's very close to iris nigricans....
grows higher but not easy to see which one it is when you don't have the collecting datas.
Here are Iris petrana and 2 different clones of iris nigricans.... not easy isn't it ?? ;D ???
And the light is very important... to change the aspect :P ::)
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Hans, according to geography, your iris should be iris petrana, but it's very close to iris nigricans....
grows higher but not easy to see which one it is when you don't have the collecting datas.
Here are Iris petrana and 2 different clones of iris nigricans.... not easy isn't it ?? ;D ???
And the light is very important... to change the aspect :P ::)
HELP!
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thanks guys, i was not sure about nigricans, i became this iris as a mini rhizome from amman.....this is the first flower by me......i think this is jordana......
cheers
chris
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HELP!
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;D Hendrick,
just have to add iris jordana.... and you'll become crazy ;) ::) ???
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This one is the easiest one to identify
and a strong grower : it produces many many flowers per clump.
Iris auranitica
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Wonderfull Fred, I have been looking forward to it since you showed it last year!
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A slightly paler Iris kirkwoodii from the late Jim Archibalds collection, RRW 9633
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very nice one Peter :
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Peter and Fred - both beautiful species and so well grown.
In the south here I am awaiting germination of aril seeds - some of the atropurpureas are up and a couple of others so far.
Pat
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Thats Great news on the Germination Pat
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Great picture of a fine form Peter!
This one is the easiest one to identify
and a strong grower : it produces many many flowers per clump.
Iris auranitica
Superb picture and plant! Agree with you, it is a strong grower when the conditions are correct but it is very sensitive when it gets moisture in the wrong time - this species is one of the reasons I decided to build a bulbframe the next weeks (who might have thought this would be necessary in the mediterranean ::))
@ Pat glad to hear about your results in Germination!
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Found 12 pots that could be planted out. One pot was a cross from 2000 which had finally germinated two seeds: PT0023 Assorted good hybrids (brown tones) x Assorted good hybrids (lortetii like)
Iris iberica elegantissima
Iris auranitica
and some hybrid species crosses
Seed was from 2006 2007 and 2009
So the moral is: keep all seed pots forever!!!
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Thank's Maggi for the name ;)
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Happy to help, Fred.... thanks for the pictures 8)
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Not so many species to flower now, but one of the black irises, Iris nigricans from Jordan.
Short stem but very nice color, also very different depending of the light direction.
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Very beautifull Fred. Mine got the flower bud broken :'(
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the very last species to flower here, Iris gatesii, thank's to a generous Balearican forumist ;D ;)
Impressive with huge flower !
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Fabulous Fred, no buds showing yet on gatesii here :-\
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Iris gatesii - Oh GOD!!!
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I agree with Lesley :o :o
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A++++++++ photos ;D ;)
I love the bright colors of if. Is it bigger than Iris samariae?
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Yes Miriam, bigger : flower is 22 cm high x 15 cm large
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Although onco's are not at best shape this season, some are quite nice.
In this entry
Iris afganica
Iris sprengeri
Iris acutiloba longitepala
Iris barnumae
Iris paradoxa from Armenia
Janis
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Few more
Several forms of Iris iberica lycotis
and
Iris sari manissadjianii
Janis
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Superb Janis !
Your iris acutiloba longipetala is stunning ...
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Impressive with huge flower !
Wow :o - fantastic pictures Fred! Seems to like France very much, perhaps I should start to feed mine with Croissants ... ;D ;)
Or perhaps Falafel... 8)
Janis superb plants - Iris acutiloba longipetala is a real gem!
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"perhaps I should start to feed mine with Croissants ...
Or perhaps Falafel... "
both Hans ;) but they don't like snails ... ;)
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Janis it is so good to see species with slight differences all at once.
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Hello friends. I am a happy camper today.
Here is a seedling that germinated in Feb. 2009, had 2 increase in 2010, and is blooming now.
It is Acutiloba x Choschab, seed from Sergey Bankatov in Russia in 2008. One more fan has a bud in the
base yet and there are 3 more fans. Seems to be a good increaser and quick to bloom.
YIPPEE
John B
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Beautifull pictures Janis.
Fred if you were to feed your oncos on frogs legs, do you think they would hop about?
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That black and white combo is very fetching John. Good that it increases well too. In a decent clump it will be very dramatic and spectacular.
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John,
that is a stunner! How big is the flower? Such a fast maturation is a genetic goldmine, don't you think? I have noted that species or close to species crosses often mature quicker than I would have expected. With ABs, I am finding 3-4 years more typical, sometime 5 years to first bloom. Maybe I'm doing somehting wrong!
Jamie
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Lovely cross John.
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Here is a rare OH of Howard Shockey's, Shah Kebir. Blooming after having it 2 years.
John B
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Certainly very different. Do I like it???? Well of course I do but would do more so if it were here.
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John, your cross is wonderful :o
My first Onco for this year,
Iris acutiloba ssp.lineolata from Iran
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Well done Udo !
do you grow them under glasshouse ?
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Udo a good looking plant
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many thanks.
Fred, the pots stands outside under a window.
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Here are the test tubes with the embryo cultured Iris atropurpurea. Shots one side and then the other.
I can see it will be a hell of a test to get them out without bending any stems!! ??? ???
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Pat,
a trick I used with orchids was to warm the tubes in water to soften the agar and let the seedlings slide out horizontally into a tray of warm water, where it could be slowly dissolved away. A toothpick helps, of course. You don't want any agar left before the potting-up, as it will simply mould.
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Thanks Jamie for the hint. I also showed these photos to Peter Gras who sent the tubes to me and he says I need to organise a little more light as they are pretty spindly. When it is your first time you don't know what to expect. Peter also sent me some photos of his efforts and Yes they are a lot stronger looking.
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Pat the seed that you sent me last year i have grown in clay granules and they are coming on fantastic,i will post pics in a while after my morning coffee.
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Great Results Pat!
Also think you should give them a bit more of light, I kept mine near a window, but you should care the testube become too hot(!) - plantlets will stay a bit more compact - here an old picture: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=847.45
Actually I prefer sowing naturally again as it is less work and the losses are lower (first seeds of this years harvest are allready in the soil).
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greta Pat !
I hope many of them will survive outside.
Hans, which species are already harvested ?
all of mines are still green.
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Wonderful Pat :)
However Iris atropurpurea is not a problematic species with germination like other species, so I would let it to germinate naturally.
David Shahak used much this species in his hybrids because its trait to germinate in the first year without any treatment.
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Here is the second bloom on the OH. I put Shah Kebir on it??
John
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I agree that Iris atropurpurea is one of the easiest and first to germinate. The EC tubes was just a test to see if they could travel in our postage system and for me to try something new.
I am always the first to try the easiest way (for me) anytime.
I have moved the tubes to a brighter spot but yes I will have to keep an eye on any possible sun reaching them.
I have a couple of pots of Iris atropurpurea that have germinated well from seed from last year.
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What for a great flower,
Iris iberica ssp.elegantissima.
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My second purchase from Roger Barlow of Beaver Creek Greenhouses
in British Columbia, Iris paradoxa v choschab
The falls and style arms are intricately patterned.
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Lovely plant Diane
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Thanks to Otto I braved the cold (for us) to check the arils on the way up the hill to the Iris planifolia clump. So surprised :o to see an aril hybrid flower coming into bloom. This must be the earliest I have had any aril bloom. July is the usual time to expect the beginning of the blooms.
PT0407 = Iris haynei hybrid x Iris atropurpurea
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Nice to jump from ending flowering time to beginning !! ;D
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On my recent trip to Turkey I was hoping to see many oncos in flower. Because of the strange season, many oncos were only in bud, but Iris paradoxa f. choshab was an exception.
The first three shots were taken on May 18th close to Van.
The next shot shows another location close to the turn off for Yusekova - we had hoped to see Iris lycotis - having been interrogated by the army we were then stopped by the road builders who were blasting away the mountainside, so we did not see Iris lycotis. The Iris paradoxa here were much larger - at least 50% taller.
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Great shots Arthur and very nice trip and plants...
I hope we'll see more :)
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Lovely pictures Arthur, hope you had a good trip
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So you did it again Arthur !! 8)
Gorgeous plants !
More...more...more... ! ;)
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Fantastic pictures and views!
I like the buds of Iris paradoxa...almost like the flowers :P
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The veining and sometimes spotting is very beautiful and I think the blue variant is a lovely. Like you Chloe, I really like the way the buds are, with the short falls just half way up the buds instead of fully wrapping around the way they would in most other irises.
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The veining and sometimes spotting is very beautiful and I think the blue variant is a lovely. Like you Chloe, I really like the way the buds are, with the short falls just half way up the buds instead of fully wrapping around the way they would in most other irises.
It was Miriam, not me, but the buds are very lovely indeed!
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So it was. Sorry to you both. :)
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I think this is the right place for the pics of my Onco seedlings that i have grown in clay pebbles.
They were sown last winter and theyfrom Pats breeding(Thank you again Pat,i posted the seed today and they were clearly marked as to what they were).
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very nice seedlings but if you are giving them a summer dormancy Dave, don't let them dessicate.there is not a lot of rhizome there yet to sustain the plants in hot conditions.
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Cheers for that Peter.Should i put them back in the sand plunge.
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I would keep them away from hot sun unless the roots have access to moisture.
in fact I would keep them away from hot sun their first year anyway. wet the roots once in a while and if they are shaded they will probably carry on growing
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Dave,
I can only augment what Peter said about dessication. I did in quite a few plants my first season with arils, due to lack of moisture. Plunging in a sand bed is a common solution, although I do not have room for a sand bed. It will keep a modicum of moisture available.
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I have now made a little sand plunge with a seed tray and placed it under my bench in the shade,will this be ok?
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Should do the trick, just keep the sand moist. As I've not done any sand-bed stuff, maybe someone more experienced can chime in, here.
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moist sand under them will be ok so long as they stay cool.
hot and dry =dessication, hot and wet = instant rot. :-\
I think natures way is, perhaps a gravel layer of insulation on top, and deep roots
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I agree with Peter. I would let the base of the roots be in contact with moisture but the rhizomes to stay dry. Some can stand more moisture than others I have found. I have not recorded which though.
Last year I had seedlings in seed pots all summer with the occasional watering under shade cloth most of the day during summer. This is for the first year from seed - the following year they should be ok.
I keep most of my rhizomes (if I dig them) in paper bags just in boxes in the carport all summer. It has only been some of the smallest that have dessicated - and you kick yourself. >:(
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On my many trips to Turkey I had never seen Iris sari. This time I knew where they were, but the strange weather that turkey had been having meant that flowers were very scarce.
1. This clump have approx 30 buds
2. A bud about to open
3. Iris sari in flower :) :)
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That flower is truly spectacular when we are used to seeing sari with less purple, more yellowish colouring. Thanks Arthur.
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Arthur I have to agree with Lesley, Hendrik showed some lovely variations too -they are around, :)
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Thanks Art lovely photos of a special form of Iris sari.
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On my many trips to Turkey I had never seen Iris sari. This time I knew where they were, but the strange weather that turkey had been having meant that flowers were very scarce.
1. This clump have approx 30 buds
2. A bud about to open
3. Iris sari in flower :) :)
Superb I. sari Art !! 8)
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Arthur, this Iris sari is wonderful. :P
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A beautiful Iris Arthur, when that clump is in full flower it must be a wonderful picture.
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Brian
I wish I could have seen it - in a normal season I think it would have been over.
A friend, who was in Turkey at roughly the same time as me, saw a huge expanse of Iris sprengeri in flower - another one I have not seen. The site we investigated, where previously there had been hundreds of plants, did not have any plants :o :o :o A complete mystery.
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.... any evidence of it being dug Arthur?
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Peter
Ground looked totally untouched - a real mystery.
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And the arils begin for the year:
PT0428 Iris samariae x Iris atropurpurea
Iris kirkwoodii x Iris atropurpurea ex Harald Mathes seed
And a bud on one of my 1999 or 2000 crosses.
It has been cold and wet as you can see from the leaves and I have not got around to covering them over winter - I always mean to to see what the difference would be.
One of the coldest couple of days.
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Thanks for sharing the photos, Pat! I love how with members in both hemispheres, the iris season never ends on this forum. The kirkwoodii hybrid is especially regal.
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Yes Tom I agree we can have irises all year. The expertise is so incredible with both north and south contributing - well especially the north where the irises can be seen in their natural habitats
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Hi Pat,
the iris I got from you are in growth though a couple haven't appeared yet.
I should take a print of your pics to show them what they should look like in the next few years! ;D
cheers
fermi
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Some of the arils in flower or nearly so today.
PT0428 Iris samaraie x Iris atropurpurea
Iris atropurpurea - after I pollinated it with another atropurpurea.
PT0735 - this will have a stripey samariae hybrid that will show up I hope - first flowering.
PT0809 - light yellow, black veins, some dotting no signal x samaraie hyb samariae form (yellow) - wonder what will come from this cross - again first flowering.
Please note that I only crosss straight species if I haven't another of the species to keep the species.
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I do hope that I never lose the excitement that I feel from seeing a fat bud full of promise. It would make life so dull.
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Very beautifull Pat :)
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I just want to see the buds........ open ;D ;)
thank's Pat, very nice pictures
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The hard frost we got a while ago was no good for the buds which did not open. But we have been having quite good weather lately so here are a few that are flowering now.
PT0588
PT0464
PT0438
patch with sun behind
this clump must be mixed as there is this one
and the next and both are labelled Iris mariae
PT0022 - in the front patch
PT0022 - in the back patch - with a real red in the signal spot with the sun behind
PT0817 - first flowering
All plants have Shahak arils in their background
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What a wonderful life you have Pat, with all these in your garden. They are truly beautiful and look very close to the species, even though hybrids. I envy you. (Snowing heavily here as I type!)
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Thanks Lesley. A few more open today after I cut 11 spikes on Friday night for a friend to use in some floral art designs in the style of Contance Spry. I hope someone took photos.
PT0484
PT0454
PT0817 - just opening last time I showed it.
this is possibly the question mark tag. Seems to have regelia in the background. Seed from crosses from between 98 to 01 are in this area. The rotton little snails have been busy.
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Wonderful flowers and so many...
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Lovely display Pat!
The last one you showed is very interesting!!!
It is probably a Chimera composed of two genetically different types of tissue...this type of Chimera is rare.
Here is a picture of an Iris with Chimera:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/versicolor/2452637589/
More information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_(plant)
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Miriam thanks so much for the links which were really interesting - on checking the iris this afternoon it is only one fall that has the chimera characteristic.
Here are a few more images - some of the labelling seems to be wrong
PT0588 and the clump showing the other earlier flower
PT0407
PT0484
another different flower in the clump which certainly isn't Iris mariae
PT0022 - yet another slightly different flower in the back clump
PT0308 - two different flowers in the clump - the standards in the purply form has a lighter edge which doesn't show so well in the photo
labelled Iris urmiensis yellow form - another mistake it seems???
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Very impressive Pat !!! :o
Here's an Onco from the Northern Hemisphere ;D
This Iris paradoxa out in the garden produced 3 flowers in early April - I found 2 more flowers on July 25th and today (15/08 !!!!!!!) another 2 ! ??? A bit battered by yesterday's rain
I wonder where that will be leading to next season ..... :-\
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Still as wonderful....
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Luc, aren't they completely dormant this time of year in Belgium?
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They should Tom, they should... ::) :-\
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Miriam thanks so much for the links which were really interesting - on checking the iris this afternoon it is only one fall that has the chimera characteristic.
Pat, the entire flower is divided into two different parts - half is darker, half is brighter.
Notice that the standards and the style branchs are also different in their colour while comparing the two sides of the flower ( I guess that the falls we can't see in the picture are also different: one is entirely like the darker side, and the other one is entirely like the brighter side).
Here is another nice exampel to Chimera like you have: (it's Anemone coronaria in the wild)
http://flora.huji.ac.il/browse.asp?lang=en&action=thread&t=2172
Luc, wonderful flowers...did you fertilize the plant?
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It was newly planted back in March Miriam- no fertilize applied... :-\
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Luc I have had flowers intermittently on Iris planifolia for months with one just fading now.
Miriam your link shows a very pronounced chimera. The link has also produced a another question. Iris grant-duffii - what can I do NOW to try to produce flowers this or next year. 10 years without a flower is a bit hard - the clump is healthy
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10 years without a flower is a bit hard - the clump is healthy
Pat, you'll get no sympathy from me about waiting ten years for an Iris flower, even if that does seem quite a long time.... I'm only just recovering from the shock of getting the first flowers on one of my Rhodos after nearly thirty years' wait. ;D
Perhaps the iris is frightened to flower in case you cut them for a flower arrangement? :o ::)
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The link has also produced a another question. Iris grant-duffii - what can I do NOW to try to produce flowers this or next year. 10 years without a flower is a bit hard - the clump is healthy
Iris grant-duffii needs full sun, heavy wet rich soil and completly dryness in summer.
In Hebrew it is called the swamp Iris because it grows in seasonal swamps that dry completely in summer.
I would add some compost and fertilizer to make it flower this year.
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Thanks Miriam I will give I. grant-duffii a bit of a feed.
Maggi only 20 years ;) I don't cut blooms very often at all - never for inside - only for special occasions and people.
There is a quince that was planted in this garden more years than I care to think and it has had one flower - possibly what you get when you get some wild quince from roadsides. There I was thinking that I would have the beautiful flowers and fruit :(
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But you have a strong tree to graft onto. Every time you visit someone with
a quince that fruits well, make a note to ask for grafting twigs at the appropriate
time.
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Diane my quince is a huge multistemmed bush so it might be hard to graft on to.
PT0308 - two different
PT0588 - closeup of one bloom and the clump
PT0310 - two different
PT0455 - closest to a susiana colouring.
PT0484
PT0317
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Just back at home to see your wonderfull flowers Pat !
I agree, I. urumiensis is not really like your picture :) but all of your flowers are gorgeous
Congratulations !
Luc, Iris paradoxa as some other species does'nt really go dormant if there is enought moisture, IO also have some species like this one, but flowering now :o :o :o never seen it before !!
I hope the plant will survive 8)
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A few aril hybrids flowering now. With the cold and wet recently some of the leaves look shocking.
The chimera I showed earlier now has a normal flower.
PT0520
PT0426
PT0449 - love the big "ears" on this one but the plants are not the best
PT0424
PT0455 - all the flowers have this twisted look - strange but I like the effect in the clump
PT0403 - two different flowers in the clump
PT0821 - first flowering
PT0821 - clump
PT0817 - spot the difference???? first flowering
PT0817 - closeup in case you haven't noticed
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PT0022 (I. mariae x I. haynei hyb) from one side and then with the sun shining through.
PT0435 - has lots of susiana in breeding.
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Breathtaking stuff Pat !! :o :o
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Lovely stuff Pat, you're garden must look a treat.
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all lovely Pat, the Chimera was very interesting. any luck with susiana its self?
Lovely stuff Pat, you're garden must look a treat.
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Peter the susiana I have planted quite a distance away from my main aril beds and trying to keep the small snails and red spider at bay - it is a pretty virused plant but there is quite a few fans but so far no buds forming yet again. I must get some dissolvable aspro and put some charcoal around it. Don't ask me the reasons but they were hints I have had over the years. ::)
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I can just imagine poor Otto frothing at the mouth. Just as well his hair is too short to grab hold of or he'd have none left. ;D
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Just back at home to see your wonderfull flowers Pat !
I agree, I. urumiensis is not really like your picture :) but all of your flowers are gorgeous
Congratulations !
Luc, Iris paradoxa as some other species does'nt really go dormant if there is enought moisture, IO also have some species like this one, but flowering now :o :o :o never seen it before !!
I hope the plant will survive 8)
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Hi Pat,
the promise :
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:D
cheers
fermi
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Good to see them in bud Fermi.
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Iris susiana hybrid
This dark one I did not get to the label before it was unreadable and I hadn't written it down on a planting plan.
PT0315 with an extra 'lip' and then photo with lip plus normal flower
PT9856 - love the globular form
PT9925 and a closeup
PT0019 maybe (clumps are clumping up too much) - like the speckling of this one.
Iris samaraie hybrid
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Pat,
they are all marvelous! I think I'd make a very poor judge at an Aril Show - I'd give them all first prize!
Here's the first flower open on one of your hybrids - I. kirkwoodii x I. atropurpurea.
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cheers
fermi
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Fermi I am pretty sure that your photos are of the Iris kirkwoodii x Iris atropurpurea cross which was Harald Mathes seed originally. Not my cross. It is superb as a plant - so robust and early to flower and continue - there is a couple of flowers out here too. Plus the clump was a good size - hence why I sent you some.
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PT0444
Came labelled as Asstd good hybrids from Shahak - is similar to lortetii.
PT0821 - I love this one and a closeup
PT0106 and a closeup
PT9929 has an interesting coloured signal
Iris hermona hybrid dark form - this is one of my personal favourites with its smaller tucked under falls and the tall standards.
The weather was good today so I was able to pollinate a couple this afternoon.
Yesterday morning was very windy so most of the pollen was dried out late yesterday.
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Superb again Pat !
still 1 or 2 months to wait before onco leaves here, so it's nice to see your flowers.
how many plants do you have ???
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Lovely stuff Pat.
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Hmm how long do I have to count? ;) They are lovely and I look forward to the aril season each year. Actually I love all species irises and close to hybrids.
PT0435
PT0472
PT0434 left of clump
PT0434 right of clump
PT0327 left of clump
PT0327 right of clump
Assorted Good Hybrids - haynei like
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Hi Pat,
You were very generous with that hybrid as it managed to produce 3 blooms! I sacrificed one to show off to Otto and our Ferny Creek Rock garden Group on Saturday and gave it to Deb Bartlett who is a Botantical Artist to paint it before it fades.
This morning I got a quick pic of the next one to flower: Iris atropurpurea,
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and here it is compared to the hybrid,
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cheers
fermi
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Fermi I must send you some others to get away from the dark purples.
Here are a few that I photographed today with the sun setting.
(Iris atropurpurea x Iris jordana) x sibling with sun behind and without sun - the biggest aril flower in the garden!!
PT0435
PT0480
PT9848
Plus I think I might be ending up with quite a few bee pods on the arils.
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Plus I think I might be ending up with quite a few bee pods on the arils.
Oh, you poor soul! ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Pat,
You were very generous with that hybrid as it managed to produce 3 blooms! I sacrificed one to show off to Otto and our Ferny Creek Rock garden Group on Saturday and gave it to Deb Bartlett who is a Botantical Artist to paint it before it fades.
This morning I got a quick pic of the next one to flower: Iris atropurpurea,
(Attachment Link)
and here it is compared to the hybrid,
(Attachment Link)
cheers
fermi
I hope he had something suitable to show off in return ::) :P ::)
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Lesley I don't mind in the least if bee pods are formed - just that for years I have never had a bee pod - only ever what I hand pollinated. I do find bees and flies on the arils occasionally lately.
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Hi Pat,
You were very generous with that hybrid as it managed to produce 3 blooms! I sacrificed one to show off to Otto and our Ferny Creek Rock garden Group on Saturday
I hope he had something suitable to show off in return ::) :P ::)
Yes he did, Peter, Primula allionii which I have no hope of growing! ;D
Pat,
the last of the Arils to flower is a hybrid between mariae and haynei (PT0022)
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cheers
fermi
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very strange hybrid, which looks definitly different from the parent in color ??? ???
are you sure of it's origin ?
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This is what PT0022 looks like.
I guess I must have grabbed a bit of the neighbouring clump.
I will have to check.
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Fermi can you post a higher resolution photo please.
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Pat, I prefer this one ;D looks more like a regular child ;D ;)
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Here is fermi's "not PTOO22" expanded from the thumbnail, don't know if that helps?
(Wondered if there was any confusion that the thumbnails included in the text of posts can also be expanded, just like the ones at the end of posts..... ::) :) )
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Maggie I did click on it a couple of times and it didn't enlarge for me so thanks for the larger photo. Now I will have to check my planting plans and then check for photos.
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Pat , I know Australian wine is very good, but NEVER drink it before labelling plants ;D ;D :P
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Yes Fred that must have been my problem at the time of labelling ;)
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Some photos using the early morning sunshine of some of the clumps.
The first photo is of crosses from 98 to 03 and they have never been covered or dug up - interesting how good the leaves are compared to the ones in later patches/photos.
The second photo is of mainly 04 crosses.
The last two are of Shahak irises from seed.
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Fermi can you post a higher resolution photo please.
Is this any better?
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cheers
fermi
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Pat - congratulation, the beds are fantastic!!
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Pat - congratulation, the beds are fantastic!!
I couldn't agree more !
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Fermi I printed off your picture and took it up to that particular bed of aril crosses and compared - it has to be PT0010 which is Iris jordana x Iris hermona hybrid.
And when I was up there I noticed this iris flowering for the first time. The tag says Iris basaltica ex Ian Mitchell, Victoria.
Is it correct or is it close?
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I thank my lucky stars every year when the irises flower - I haven't lost all too many. Touch wood etc
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Pat, I can't say it's this one as many of them are too close to make difference without locality.....
But look's exactly like basaltica/kirkwoodii... complex.
anyxay, superb plant and pic :)
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Flowers in south hemisphere, time for repotting in the north.
Here a a vigourous iris atrofusca, growing in pot.
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superb plants Pat, Fermi looks very good :)
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Fred good photo of the rhizomes.
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Fermi I printed off your picture and took it up to that particular bed of aril crosses and compared - it has to be PT0010 which is Iris jordana x Iris hermona hybrid.
Thanks, Pat,
I'll re-label it when I can!
I don't think I can claim any success with these "sad, silken queens" [of the genus] till I get them to re-flower next year!
cheers
fermi
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Very fine Pic, Fred! :D
And when I was up there I noticed this iris flowering for the first time. The tag says Iris basaltica ex Ian Mitchell, Victoria.
Is it correct or is it close?
Ian Mitchell grew different Hybridlines (Basaltica, Auranitica + Gatesii) which were very close to the original species. Think he used the similar species Iris basaltica and Iris calcarea for the Basaltica line. Iris calcarea is following Köhlein Iris susiana = Iris sofarana (Kew checklist lists Iris sofarana as synonym of Iris susiana).
He sent me a few seeds of this Basaltica-line and mentioned also the picture shown in the ASI yearbook 2006 is a plant of his linebreeding and not the pure species. When I remember well he wrote me he had lost the species, so I think your plant is not Iris basaltica, but very close (and very beautiful!) ;)
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Hans thanks for that info. I do remember Ian saying that it was close to Iris basaltica.
It is one of the most globular form oncos that I have.
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While every iris shown on this amazing thread is a great beauty, I can't help being amazed - and entranced - by the black/grey/white combination of your Iris basaltica Pat. Who would have believed, not ever having seen oncos, that such a colour combination could be so outstandingly beautiful?
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A few of the arils flowering today
Iris paradoxa ssp paradoxa x Iris kirkwoodii ssp kirkwoodii ex Hans - finally opened fully - took a couple of days.
PT0325 - very lightly coloured - clump then closeup
PT9841 with two different coloured flowers in same patch and closeups
PT0106 - a bit bottom heavy!!
PT0022 - another colour form in this very variable cross
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Pat, I love your first pic ! this hybrid is gorgeous :o ( but please don't repeat to anybody what I've told ... it's an hybrid ;D )
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Fred you need to talk to Hans Achilles about this one as he did it ;) ;D
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Wonderful Pat,
love them all, but especially the dark one in PT9841.
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Gorgeous - I especially like the paradoxa x kirkwoodii seedling and the PT9841 with the yellow standards.
I planted most of my oncos and other arils last weekend. The timing seems to be good; one paradoxa rhizome was sending up a leaf before planting (I was keeping them in sand in the house), and some of the others are showing signs of breaking dormancy.
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Tom it is amazing how arils can break dormancy without sun, water. When I dig and store I have kept them in paperbags and when they show signs of breaking dormancy I plant them out. This method does not work so well with tiny seedlings that would need the sand.
PT9841 has in its background Iris hermona hybrid ex Shahak with a yellow tinge and very similar but with a smaller signal. The signal is huge in relation to the flower in this cross.
Just to show a line that I have noticed:
mother Iris hermona hybrid dark form
child 1 PT0444
child 2 PT0485
child 3 PT0449
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Really nice strain, Pat. Love those big black signal patches!
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A few more in flower or better pictures of some.
PT0425
tag has disappeared - I sure hope I wrote it down somewhere in my planting plans
Came as Iris haynei seed ex Shahak - and a closeup
This came as Iris hermona hybrid hermona form - Tom this is one of the parents of PT9841 (the yellowishbrown one with huge signal
Patch 12 western row - Assorted good hybrids
And another of the Assorted good hybrids - but with samariae in the background. (I have used this one as a parent a lot)
Yesterday I had some aril seeds from a very kind person seized by Australian Quarantine with a page with plenty of hoops to jump through. So I contacted them by email last night. This afternoon I was amazed to read that they were able to decipher the writing and all are on their way to me ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :o :o
Life can be good.
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F a b u l o u s plants Pat !!! :o :o :o
Congratulations on your achievements !
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Thanks Luc, Wim, Tom, Fred, Fermi, Lesley and Hans and anyone else who may have commented. The plants are doing it themselves - I feel a bit of a fraud saying thanks on behalf of the irises. The irises can certainly warm hearts and make life special. One day I will ( well it will take more than one day ) get to see the species in their natural habitats.
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Pat,
they are all amazing but I'm particularly drawn to the one from the s-e cnr! Lovely markings on the falls
cheers
fermi
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The flowering stem of that one bent over - hence the gravel behind the flower - but the markings are superb aren't they - now to find out what the heck that one is.
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Pat, I love your first pic ! this hybrid is gorgeous :o ( but please don't repeat to anybody what I've told ... it's an hybrid ;D )
Thanks Fred ;D - this was just a test a few years ago when I had masses of Iris paradoxa flowers - I see the result for the first time, and I like it (even it is an Hybrid :-X ;))! It looks still better I thougt it would!
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What??? You haven't a flower yet? You did plant some of the seed didn't you??
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I just think South Australian climate is better for Oncos.
hans, are you ready to emigrate ?? ;D
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Just don't become a boatperson as the government will send you to some island which hasn't signed up to treat their people well - if you are lucky!
Fred the seed arrived today - what can I say - THANKYOU so much :) :)
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Great :D
and thank's to custom people ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Hi Pat ,
of the plants you sent me in February this year only this I. atropurpurea hybrid flowered a few days ago. I like its warm brown hues . Do you think it has some I. auranitica blood in it's parentage ?
Still have not decided yet to take the short trip ( on a leaky boat ) from Melbourne to Adelaide ,to enable me to grow oncos to perfection in the open garden as you manage to do .
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Every day you can learn something new...
Following the article 'Rising to the challenge of Oncocyclus irises' in the 'Alpine gardener' those Iris in cultivation as Iris camillae are in fact Iris schelkownikowii - here a picture I had already posted in spring.
This species grows well here and this autumn it is also the one with the best germination so far.
I had distributed rhizomes and seed of my plants as Iris camillae - so please if any grower is growing the the "real?" camillae please do not cross them...
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Hello Hans! Could you explain further? My understanding is that I. schelkownikowii is a synonym for I. acutiloba as it is known in Russia, or perhaps a variant of I. acutiloba if one wishes to make much of small differences. I. camillae, I had thought, was distinct, although perhaps just one stable type in a hybrid complex. Your plants look like what I have known as I. camillae, not I. schelkownikowii. Is there some new information in the article that changes this picture?
Tom
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After having a lovely clump of Iris camillae (or whatever it is) I have one small fan! :'( Look after it well Hans - would love seed)
PS I am back on line after a week off line after changing internet plans and having to iron out the problems with antenna cables and wi-fis.
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Think all 'Iris camillae' which are in cultivation actually where introduced by V. Pilous some years ago. The origin given was Lake Kazan Gel which is the locus classicus of this species - and so I think nobody checked if it could be something else.
Comparing pictures in Internet I allready wondered about the different shape of the flowers to those I grow, but thinking of its possibly hybrid origin I thought it could be in the the range of the variability...
Checking Brian Mathews 'The Iris' he mentioned Iris camillae is similar to Iris iberica, and also Köhlein mentioned it belongs to the 'Iberica group'. The plant grown as Iris camillae is totally different to Iris iberica but is similar to 'Iris acutiloba group', where Iris schelkownikowii belongs to. The description of this plant in 'The Iris' fits with the plant in cultivation: "..flowers a little larger than Iris acutiloba.. /..standards darker and much larger than the falls/ signal patch purple and yellow beard " - the only picture I could find is this one: http://photo.simatika.ru/photo/Iris_schelkownikowii/1391
More pictures exist of Iris camillae:
http://www.plantarium.ru/page/view/item/20704.html and http://www.signa.org/index.pl?Display+Iris-camillae+1
Interesting is also the text at the bottom of this picture of Iris camillae where Iris schelkownikowii is mentioned:
http://www.signa.org/index.pl?Display+Iris-camillae+2
So I agree with the author of the article, the plant grown as Iris camillae could be Iris schelkownikowii - but there is still the question how did it get to Lake Kazan Gel. ::)
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Thank you Hans! This is very interesting. The plants grown as I. camillae (such as yours) do still seem quite different from the usual acutiloba/schelkownikowii to me, and have some points of similarity with the "real" camillae photos on that Russian site. I wonder if they are acutiloba-camillae hybrids.
At least this makes sense to those references to I. camillae being similar to I. iberica, which I had never understood. I just put it down to botanists seeing things differently from the rest of us. :P
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Tom, Iris schelkownikowii is not the same as Iris acutiloba, but an accepted species: http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?name_id=339986
Mathew and Köhlein mentioned different colourforms - by far I have only seen bluish plants, but I hope some other colour will appear among the seedlings.
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Here is another pix of Iris acutiloba ssp schenkownikowii - not sure where I found it now.
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Tom, Iris schelkownikowii is not the same as Iris acutiloba, but an accepted species
That seems to be a point on which different authorities disagree.
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Thanks Tom, did not know there is disagreement- but yes you seem to be right - IPNI does not list the name, neither as species nor as synonym, while here it is: http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-339986
Pat, thanks a lot for posting this picture -except the colour - they are very similar.
(as a new page is started post Pats picture again)
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Iris acutiloba ssp lineolata - the last of the arils to flower in the southern hemisphere.
You can see I still need to label the last download of photos.
If pollinators can't find their way to the pollen by the runway heaven help them ;)
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Gorgeous blooms, Pat! One of my favorite oncos.
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Superb grown Plants! :D
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:o :o :o :o :o
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I missed them, congratulations Pat
Try to get seeds...
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Unless there is more blooms this year I missed out on pollen - too late on a hot day when first seen.
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:'( :'(
next year Pat ;)
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Pat, North will meet South within few days !!!
Iris sprengeri is going to bloom ??? 8) :o
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Great mews Fred. Hope it is a good year for blooms up north.
The number of seedpods formed and ripening is abysmal here.
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Good news too Pat.
But here, it's a bit early for Onco flowers....
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Wow Fred, this is very early...
Some are only a few cm above the ground in my garden. There is a good Germination in different species here.
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Good news hans !
I also have several species germinating now :)
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there is a porverb "mad people have mad plants!" ;D
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>:( >:( :P ;D
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there is a proverb "mad people have mad plants!" ;D
I prefer this.... "exciting people have exciting plants" !!
It reminds me of a magnet I was given that says "dull women have immaculate houses" ::) ;D ;D
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I agree with you Maggie, let's be positive! Like they say, if a cluttered desk is the sign of a cluttered mind, then what does an empty desk mean!
then again, most of my friends consider me quite mad!
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;D ;D ;D
Very happy I am about seedlings of Iris damascena - this species produces very few seeds also I handpollinate every single flower many times - last year only one seed germinated - this year six so far, most of this years harvest. Glad I am also about the Guardians which might protect the tiny seedlings. 8)
(I saw it only when it was already on my hand) :P
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Maggi will love the "guardian" ;D
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Maggi will love the "guardian" ;D
Quite! ::)
Mind you, even though the guardian has too many legs for my liking, I have to applaud Hans for having such tough guys to watch over his collection... that is heavy duty protection I reckon ;D
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Maggi will love the "guardian" ;D
Quite! ::)
Mind you, even though the guardian has too many legs for my liking, ...
Better? ;D ;)
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Much better! ;D
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I could do without either of them ;D
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Congratulations on the damascena seeedlings, Hans!
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Hans is your snake poisonous? I was so close to a brown snake (the most poisonous Australian snake) the other day. I did not notice it till it hissed ... and in a short space I was miles away.
I would prefer neither of the guardians.
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Hans , please " guard ' your I damascena seedlings to maturity ,you are one of the chosen ones ( with your ideal climate) to grow it to perfection .
Pat , my I. acutiloba ssp lineolata flowered yesterday - 2weeks later than your plant . They and I ris ' Satan's Mistress' ( not as exiting as a oncocyclus species , but still a wondrous dark velvety colour ) came from our generous friend Marcus Harvey who imported them from Europe some years ago .
Thanks Marcus ,
otto.
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Fantastic I. acutiloba ssp lineolata, Otto!
Thanks a lot for your comments, Tom and Otto!
My idea of growing Oncos is always to build up small fertile groups of species with different clones to be able to propagate them not only vegetative. The best to do this is by growing this beauties by seeds and so this seedlings are more then welcome for my little programme, especially as Iris damascena is one of my favourite species. ;)
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A most worthy approach, Hans! I hope to be doing the same soon, although my collection is still very new and rather modest. I do have three I. paradoxa, three I. iberica elegantissima, two I. kirkwoodii, and two I. acutiloba. And I have plenty of different clones of the regelias (hoogiana and stolonifera). It's very important to think of preserving the gene pool of a species, not just an individual plant.
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Hans is your snake poisonous? I was so close to a brown snake (the most poisonous Australian snake) the other day. I did not notice it till it hissed ... and in a short space I was miles away.
I would prefer neither of the guardians.
This snake is poisonous but not dangreous as it does not have a strong poison and the teeth are in the back of its small mouth, so there is no risk. It is not agressive and even did not try to bite me when I had it in my hand, something I would never risk with a snake I do not know or a brown snake! May be the situation here will change because in the past there already came a few snake (and lizard) species as blind passengers with imported Olivetrees. Up to date there are hardly any dangerous animals here, may be most dangerous is a small spider species - but so far I had good luck. ;)
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Otto, it is very nice to see 'Satan's Mistress' settled into your part of the world after all these years. I introduced this iris into commerce in 1983, on behalf of the hybridizer my friend Gus Seligmann. My commercial iris garden only lasted one year, as I soon found myself off to Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland to work on my PhD in astronomy. It's quite gratifying that this particular iris is still being enjoyed, and in so many places.
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I have a seedling up today of I. iberica ssp elegantissima. I don't hold out much hope though as it is the third seedling in the same pot, the other two, more than a year apart and more than a year before this one, both died before they produced a second leaf. :'(
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Third time lucky Lesley, my first two attempts with it failed too.
Good Luck it is a lovely one.
Dont let it get too hot while damp / in growth. kept cool and shaded they can stay in growth for 18 months as seeedlings.
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Thanks Peter, I'll try that and keep it shaded from now on through summer - when it happens. Cool yesterday and today, just 13C and two nights and yesterday of continuous rain, still pouring down but it's good rain, not the slashing kind but just falling with no wind and really soaking in, setting us up for a good growing summer. The strong sou'wester we were to have yesterday didn't happen and if it were not so darned wet, it would be very nice out now. Lots of iris seedlings coming through from NZIS seedlist.
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Tom , thank you for the information re the origin of I. 'Satan's Mistress' . We also grow here I. 'Shebas Jewel ' -is that another Gus Seligmann Hybrid ?
Lesley , I had the same experience with a few seedlings of I. iberica ssp. elegantissima ( the seeds I shared with you ) , but now have one embryo cultured one ( 4 months old ) which I try to keep growing for another 12 months or so . as Peter T. recommends .
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Hello Otto, 'Sheba's Jewel' was bred by Howard Shockey, introduced in 1994. Howard was also someone I knew well, both of us living in New Mexico.
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Otto if you have a spare piece of 'Sheba's Jewel' I would love it.
Peter G has certainly been very generous to us with his embryo culturing of aril seeds. Iris iberica ssp elegantissima is one that I struggle with as it needs more cold and height.
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Any in flower, but it is quite interesting how some Oncos develope - Iris nectarifera needed a few years to establish, but now it seems to be adapted and shows a fascinating vigor, invading the bed (for example the grass in the background) and soon some other less vigorous Oncos... I will have to find some new places for them.
Here some pics, first from december 2010, second from spring this year and finally an actual one.
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The oncos certainly love your conditions Hans.
Could you please send some photos to Lyn to include in the ASI Newsletters - and anyone else who is so inclined.
Plus here is a hint for other ASI members to write something for the Yearbook as well. No articles no yearbook. Well we do get articles but not enough to justify another Yearbook yet.
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Is that nectarifera just one plant that is travelling?
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Hans I also grow a little stolon and it is growing quickly, but as you mentioned, I'm afraid many oncos, can't be increased through cut stolons, they need to be attached to the principal rhizome to make new plants. Any explanation to this phenomenon?
In addition this plant is extremely difficult to paint!
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Hans I also grow a little stolon and it is growing quickly, but as you mentioned, I'm afraid many oncos, can't be increased through cut stolons, they need to be attached to the principal rhizome to make new plants. Any explanation to this phenomenon?
In addition this plant is extremely difficult to paint!
I'm dividing them without great problems. All offered by me are propogated vegetatively.
Janis
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I believe the temperature is important for the stolons to develop roots, untill they do they are very delicate and in danger of both rot and dessication.
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Thanks Pat - actually I am finishing an article for the ASI yearbook. ;)
Diane, there were planted 3 small rhizomes of this species, two in 2008 and one given from a very generous forumist in 2009. All the plants had one fan, even in there second season they did not produce an additional fan and the plants did look weak (compared with those of 2010 and 2011) as the following pictures shows. The two fans which flowered were those which were planted and as usual do not exist anymore. Exept one fan, of the plant planted 2009, all are new fans which were produced in 2010 and 2011 (not all are visible on the pic of the earlier post).
One plant seems to travel a lot (background) while the other two (in the front) are a bit lazy and prefer shorter trips.
I believe the temperature is important for the stolons to develop roots, untill they do they are very delicate and in danger of both rot and dessication.
As Janis mentioned to make divisions is working well with most Oncos even it means a stress for the plants as you have to lift them and will destroy a lot of roots when you grow them in the ground. My observation is "clumping" Oncos produce roots quickly after division, in contrast those producing stolons are much more delicate - once I was given small stolons of Iris bismarckiana which produced leaves the first year but any roots, following year they were dead. Rising the same species from seeds did not cause any problems, planted out little seedling which now are large plants produce stolons allready.
I think something similar happened to the Iris nectarifera with the difference it finally got roots.
It seems to be as Rafa indicates, stolons grow well if in contact by a larger rhizome complex, it they were separated they suffered or died.
The growth by stolons (this species does not seem to produces clumps) may cause some problems apart of invading other plants - while a clumpforming Onco can be planted protected from soil in gravel and will stay there, the stoloniferous plant produces stolons in a depth where the rizome can have direct contact with the soil, and as it is much wetter here than in its natural habitat any wound could cause bacterial root rot. So I hope to get some seeds from this beautiful species next year and to see a painting of it ..... ;)
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I have a tiny piece left of 'Concerto Grosso', without any roots. Any ideas how to stimulate it to grow roots. Also I am scared about keeping it in a pot as I don't know how much is enough water when it is kind of dormant plus how much covering should it have?
Pat
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Thanks Hans - ASI article.
Fascinating to read of stolon habits and requirements.
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I have a tiny piece left of 'Concerto Grosso', without any roots. Any ideas how to stimulate it to grow roots. Also I am scared about keeping it in a pot as I don't know how much is enough water when it is kind of dormant plus how much covering should it have?
Pat
Simply plant it, shallow. It will make roots. Leave it naturally without watering but in soil up to late autumn, and then give one watering before winter starts. Concerto Grosso is quite easy with me.
Janis
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Thanks Janis I will plant it out. Now that I have a load of 7ml gravel to place a good layer over the aril beds I feel happier.
37C forecast for Christmas Day - unthinkable for Northern Hemisphere folk I should imagine.
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I have a tiny piece left of 'Concerto Grosso',
Happily, I have lots of 'Concerto Grosso' Bach, Beethoven, Mozart and others. ;D
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Yesterday I visited Arnis in his greenhouse. His Onco irises stay in quiet small clay pots with rhizomes only half in soil. Only just just moist, more to dry side. He still didn't finished replanting and is very busy now.
I'm growing Onco's on raised beds in soil (not in pots) under greenhouse cover. When I'm harvesting some clump, I'm dividing it and keeping in cardboard box covered with (burried in) dry sand. Regarding stoloniferous species I'm never cutting of stolones, but I'm allowing them to make rosette and only then saparate from mother plant (in following year).
Janis