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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: chris on February 01, 2011, 08:33:53 PM
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I have replant my E.pinnatifolia last year and I think to wait another year for having the good flowers like next year
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Very beautiful Chris, and showing some variation too I think.
Your seed is beginning to germinate here 8)
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here the seeds germinate too, also the crossings with the normal yellow Eranthis
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I was pleased at the weekend to find Eranthis Schwefelglanz coming through. I bought 3 plants from Rob Potterton last year and here are two of them.
I've just noticed germination of two pots of Eranthis 'Orange Glow' and 'Aurantiaca' from fresh seed sown last May - thanks to Hans J ;D Also, interestingly, another pot of Eranthis Orange Glow from the AGS seed exchange has germinated this week. I had always thought that Eranthis seed had to be sown fresh, but this was sown last spring from dry seed and is germinating well.
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here the seeds germinate too, also the crossings with the normal yellow Eranthis
Chris, are you saying that E pinnatifida will hybridise with E hyemalis?
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I hope it Diane, I made the crossings and had some seeds, just wait another 2 years I think to see the results
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So cute flowers Chris :D My seeds are germinating too... wait and see ::)
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I hope it Diane, I made the crossings and had some seeds, just wait another 2 years I think to see the results
I look forward to seeing the results, the flower forms are so different, it could be very interesting. Keep us posted!
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Beautiful, Chris. Hopefully I'll have some of the same flowers to show in a couple of years time. Fingers crossed. ;D
Diane,
I've had seed germinate of hyemalis that was around 18 months old, stored (and lost) on my desk for that time with no special care or treatment. I didn't get a high percentage of germination, but I did get some and they have since grown to flowering size so they were not notably weak or anything like that. At once point I harvested seed from my hyemalis and found that those stored for a fortnight to dry before sowing, germinated earlier and at a higher percentage than those harvested and sown on the same day. I've never repeated it to find out whether it was an anomaly or not, but I filed it away in memory for future reference. ;)
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here the seeds germinate too, also the crossings with the normal yellow Eranthis
Chris, are you saying that E pinnatifida will hybridise with E hyemalis?
Afraid that will not work. Siberian-Japah-Korean Eranthis species now are separated in own genus Shibatheranthis. But, may be!
Janis
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Beautiful, Chris. Hopefully I'll have some of the same flowers to show in a couple of years time. Fingers crossed. ;D
Diane,
I've had seed germinate of hyemalis that was around 18 months old, stored (and lost) on my desk for that time with no special care or treatment. I didn't get a high percentage of germination, but I did get some and they have since grown to flowering size so they were not notably weak or anything like that. At once point I harvested seed from my hyemalis and found that those stored for a fortnight to dry before sowing, germinated earlier and at a higher percentage than those harvested and sown on the same day. I've never repeated it to find out whether it was an anomaly or not, but I filed it away in memory for future reference. ;)
I had vary poor results with a little old seeds. My own seeds I'm sowing immediately or during few days. Usually I have sevreral pots, as seeds ripe gradually.
Here come out of stone-chips first shoots of Chinese sample of Eranthis stellata (didn't checked name, may be sibirica, but more like stellata).
Eranthis stellata from Russia (vil. Olgae on pacific coast) still didn't come up and other Eranthis & Shibateranthis, too.
Janis
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Spring is on the way to my garden in Vienna. Last week we had 20 cm snow and -9° C.
Eranthis hiemalis
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Lovely, Franz. I wish mine would multiply and flower like that in my garden. Not cool and moist enough yet, although I am increasing the shady areas. A friend has them colonising in her garden as it is shadier and more protected (and therefore retains moisture better than mine), so it is possible in my climate. 8)
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Here the Eranthis hyemalis Flore Pleno starts flowering
Also what I bought as Eranthis hyemalis Grünling
but for me it looks similar as Eranthis hyemalis Grünspecht
they are later this year I hope (I forgot to water them)
and Eranthis hyemalis Schwefelglanß
Roland
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Roland,
What a cool pale Eranthis hyemalis. Almost looks white in your pic. I knew there were other white species, but I didn't know there were hyemalis that were anywhere near this pale. Wow!! :o
Thanks so much for all the pics, they're beautiful.
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Eranthis 'Schwefelglanz' (1 & 2 )
Eranthis x tubergenii
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Does anyone know Andreas in Germany? He emailed me and wants to swap Galanthus for Eranthis but now he does not reply. His list is amazing.
If anyone else wants to swap PM me.
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Mark
Where are you looking for
Roland
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Eranthis seems to like it here, look at the number of seedlings coming up
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And talking of Eranthis seedlings, last year I sowed three pots of Eranthis hyemalis seed, 2 pots of fresh seed from a kind forumist sown in May (thanks, HansJ ;D ) and one pot of dry stored seed from the AGS seed exchange sown in April. I had always thought that it had to be sown fresh, but all three pots germinated on the same day last week
The first one is the fresh seed
The second is the dry exchange seed
both are Eranthis hyemalis 'Orange Glow'
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I will PM you
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And talking of Eranthis seedlings, last year I sowed three pots of Eranthis hyemalis seed, 2 pots of fresh seed from a kind forumist sown in May (thanks, HansJ ;D ) and one pot of dry stored seed from the AGS seed exchange sown in April. I had always thought that it had to be sown fresh, but all three pots germinated on the same day last week
The first one is the fresh seed
The second is the dry exchange seed
both are Eranthis hyemalis 'Orange Glow'
Good to know the stored seed was as good. Now to see how many are glowing orange..... ;)
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And talking of Eranthis seedlings, last year I sowed three pots of Eranthis hyemalis seed, 2 pots of fresh seed from a kind forumist sown in May (thanks, HansJ ;D ) and one pot of dry stored seed from the AGS seed exchange sown in April. I had always thought that it had to be sown fresh, but all three pots germinated on the same day last week
The first one is the fresh seed
The second is the dry exchange seed
both are Eranthis hyemalis 'Orange Glow'
I got no germination from Eranthis seeds received by seed exchange or from USA, but almost 100% - from my own sawn during ~ week after collecting.
Janis
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I got Eranthis seeds from SRGC last year six different. Five of those germinated fine.
I had them three months warm, 3 months cold, since they germinated in August.
We'll see if they come to the spring.
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And talking of Eranthis seedlings, last year I sowed three pots of Eranthis hyemalis seed, 2 pots of fresh seed from a kind forumist sown in May (thanks, HansJ ;D ) and one pot of dry stored seed from the AGS seed exchange sown in April. I had always thought that it had to be sown fresh, but all three pots germinated on the same day last week
The first one is the fresh seed
The second is the dry exchange seed
both are Eranthis hyemalis 'Orange Glow'
Diane I have exactly the same experience with 4 different hyemalis seed from the seedex. I have the seeds sown in Jan/Febr. 2010 and they germinated all this winter.
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Yesterday I told Roland E. cilicicus had died during the cold weather in December. Today they are appearing fast
The new cultivars of Eranthis are supposed to come true from seed. If I had mixed groups in one bed will they continue to come true?
Orange Glow
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Mark,
My understanding is that they need to be kept away from other varieties to keep them seeding true. If they're near others they'll hybridise and you lose the purity of the colour line. That said, when you've got enough of a pure colour line try putting a few different ones together and see what comes up. Who knows what colour shades you would end up with. Of course if you have too much seed of any one colour form then feel free to send some this way. ;D
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Mark I was told by a botanist that generally they would not come true, but he did say that E.Schwefelglanß would have a very high proportion. Meant to say that I have them in seperate beds to try and keep the strains apart.
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I just thought it would be nice to make a patch work of them
Paul remind me in May and you can get seeds of what I have
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I have a small patch of Eranthis semiplena, I do not know what kind it is. There are no other Eranthis nearby. All new plants so far is semiplena.
So I guess you could say that the seed is stable.
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I have a small patch of Eranthis semiplena, I do not know what kind it is. There are no other Eranthis nearby. All new plants so far is semiplena.
So I guess you could say that the seed is stable.
It is Eranthis hyemalis cv. - I think that correct name Flore Plena - flowers are semidouble and sometimes fertile - gives some seeds.
Janis
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Thanks for the reply. Then I know what to write on the label.
I got my plant from an old man for about 25 years ago. The man is long gone, so I can't ask him where it came from.
Some years it will be some seeds, some years very little.
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finally, my first flower from Eranthis longistipitata
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This weather is too warm for my Eranthis. Everybody is talking about it. The Eranthis are going over in days.
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Eranthis hyemalis 'Grünling' - interesting rather than pretty, I think....
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Is your plant going over? Here is one I saw in England a year or two back.
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Did you buy Grunling in the UK?
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Is your plant going over?
It has been open a week or so - I not been out with the camera much.
It came from Pottertons (I ordered one from Avon Bulbs first but that turned out to be Schwelfelglanz).
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Did Alan change it for you?
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I didn't ask him to - Schwelfelglanz is nice too, a soft straw yellow.
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Dirk, how long did it take for your eranthis to flower from seed?
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Shibateranthis pinnatifida pure white flower form, found in a popuration grown under deciduous woods at Soryo, Shobara, Hiroshima, Japan.
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Tatsuo,
Wow!! That is gorgeous. Now you just need to set seed on it, grow them on, and start selling them to people here on the forums. You could finance your plant habit I think? ;D
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Dirk, how long did it take for your eranthis to flower from seed?
Anne, sorry for the late reply. 4 years for the first flower.
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Tatsuo - that is a lovely flower. 8)
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Eranthis flower in my garden
Eranthis cilicicus
Eranthis hyemalis
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This is very interesting, Franz- both types seem to be equally happy in your garden but we find that Eranthis cilicica is less hardy and not inlcined to increase while the E. hyemalis is spreading nicely. Can you suggest a reason for this?
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In my garden both have almost died out sice last year yet Guinea Gold has not been affected
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Maggi,
Some plants have their peculiarities.
Eranthis hyemalis grows like a weed in my meadow and in the meadow of next door neighour. Eranthis cilicica grows in my bulb frame and increase very well. Both species are selfseeder and hard. For 20 years I try to settle E. cilicica in the meadow, the seed does not germinate and the bulb grows not.
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Maggi,
Some plants have their peculiarities.
Eranthis hyemalis grows like a weed in my meadow and in the meadow of next door neighour. Eranthis cilicica grows in my bulb frame and increase very well. Both species are selfseeder and hard. For 20 years I try to settle E. cilicica in the meadow, the seed does not germinate and the bulb grows not.
Franz, thank you..... this is a strange thing.... how these plants like to make our lives difficult!
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Maggi , E. hyemalis seems to thrive here in neutral to slightly acid soil , whereas E. cilicica prefers alkaline soil.
see you soon ,
Otto.
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Maggi , E. hyemalis seems to thrive here in neutral to slightly acid soil , whereas E. cilicica prefers alkaline soil.
see you soon ,
Otto.
Thanks Otto.
Yes, it won't be long now.... getting very exctied about seeing everyone in Nottingham... and then up here. 8)
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Sunshine today and no frost, maybe it's the beginning of spring :).
Eranthis hyemalis
Eranthis 'Schwefelglanz'
Eranthis 'Schlyters Orange'
and a double eranthis not yet opened.
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Lovely collection Gunilla.
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Maggi - You say E. cicilicia is less hardy than E. hiemalis. Given your vlimate is much ,ilder than ours I know wonder how hardy 'Guinea Gold' might be. Are there any forumists growing it in a cold area successfully? Not that it is ever for sale over here...perhpas the reason.
johnw - a lovely day but it was very cold last night - -6c - and the Galanthus that had remained upright all winter long flopped until noon.
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Here some Eranthis blooming just now in my greenhouses
Eranthis hyemalis Aurantiaca - by my opinion one of the most beautiful (equal in beauty with Schwefelglanz showed earlier)
Eranthis hyemalis Flore Plena
white Eranthis stellata from Far East (East border of Russia)
Eranthis longistipitata from Kirghizstan - Central Asia
and hybrid between hyemalis and cilicica - Guinea Gold
Regarding hyemalis and cilicica - both grow well with me in pots and on open garden beds but naturalizes only hyemalis. I suppose that cilicica got more sun and dry summer conditions, hyemalis is more flexible and didn't suffer from shade and summer rains. E. cilicica in summer receive no rains at all (at least in places where I saw it growing wild).
Janis
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E. cilicica in summer receive no rains at all (at least in places where I saw it growing wild).
Yes, I think it is the summer wet that is the problem.
Maggi - You say E. cicilicia is less hardy than E. hiemalis. Given your climate is much milder than ours I know wonder how hardy 'Guinea Gold' might be.
We don't have a problem with Guinea Gold here , John.... it seems tough enough!
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In my garden Eranthis cilicica grows in a damp shady place and survived in the winter several-day-long frosts without protection of -15° C.
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Sunshine today and no frost, maybe it's the beginning of spring :).
Eranthis hyemalis
Eranthis 'Schwefelglanz'
Eranthis 'Schlyters Orange'
and a double eranthis not yet opened.
Very beautiful Eranthis, Gunilla. Is E. 'Schlyters Orange' alot darker than the normal form?
Here some Eranthis blooming just now in my greenhouses
Eranthis hyemalis Aurantiaca - by my opinion one of the most beautiful (equal in beauty with Schwefelglanz showed earlier)
That aurantiaca is simply stunning, Janis. Thanks for showing.
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Is E. 'Schlyters Orange' alot darker than the normal form?
Wim, it is darker but not a lot. When it stops raining I'll take a photo of it together with a normal coloured one.
I really like E. hyemalis aurantica. It's very beautiful.
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Tatsuo,
Wow!! That is gorgeous. Now you just need to set seed on it, grow them on, and start selling them to people here on the forums. You could finance your plant habit I think? ;D
Paul T, that's great idea! ;D ;D ;D ... and sorry for late reply
Tatsuo - that is a lovely flower. 8)
John, thanks. Now I'm waiting seed ripening :)
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E. Schlyter's Orange with yellow E. hyemalis in the middle. It looks more orange to my eyes but the difference is really not that big.
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One more picture of hyemalis Flore Plena, in background Aurantiaca.
Janis
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I just noted that 1st year seedlings in otherwise quite similar looking white flowering species (both are not far neighbours in nature) - pinnatifida and stellata looks very different.
Janis
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E. Schlyter's Orange with yellow E. hyemalis in the middle. It looks more orange to my eyes but the difference is really not that big.
Thanks for showing, Gunilla. There's a difference but it's not very big.
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I long searched without success why genus Eranthis was splitted in two - Eranthis and Shibatheranthis. When I decided to make pictures about plant development from seeds, I found the difference. Although Eranthis in old (wide) sense belongs to Dicotyledons (they have two seedleafs) such are only true Eranthis - see the picture below. Shibatheranthis in evolution lost one seedleaf, and regardless of belonging to Dicotyledons has only one seedleaf (see my previous entry). Nice to learn something new.
Janis
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Really interesting Janis - thank you.
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a interess seed-pot from Eranthis longistipitata
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I just noted that 1st year seedlings in otherwise quite similar looking white flowering species (both are not far neighbours in nature) - pinnatifida and stellata looks very different.
Janis
Janis, my pinnatifida seed harvest was not as good as yours last year. I got only two seeds!
One has germinated (pic 1), but it looks different than yours. It looks more than stellata, but I am sure it is pinnatifida (pic2).
By the way, note that two of them has 2 flowers on one stem.
Poul
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Dirk, your longistipitata seed pod look promising. The seed pods of my pinnatifida looks good too, so hopefully I can send you some seeds later.
Let us cross fingers for a good seed harvest!
Poul
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I just noted that 1st year seedlings in otherwise quite similar looking white flowering species (both are not far neighbours in nature) - pinnatifida and stellata looks very different.
Janis
Janis, my pinnatifida seed harvest was not as good as yours last year. I got only two seeds!
One has germinated (pic 1), but it looks different than yours. It looks more than stellata, but I am sure it is pinnatifida (pic2).
By the way, note that two of them has 2 flowers on one stem.
Poul
Yours flowers of course are as in pinnatifida. May be my observations are wrong, I noted that for first years, but I don't think that I mixed labels of seedlings. Will check next year again.
Janis