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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: Alan_b on February 01, 2011, 07:54:53 AM
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I've shown these snowdrops before but I guess I'm a bit like a proud parent who keeps on showing you photographs of his kids.
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I have your 'Greenlight' snowdrop in my garden Alan. It is a beauty. Mine are not quite out yet but soon will be at the same stage as the ones you have pictured in the pot. It seems to be a good doer too.
Mike
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I've shown these snowdrops before but I guess I'm a bit like a proud parent who keeps on showing you photographs of his kids.
They are very beautiful kids ;) You should be proud :D
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I have your 'Greenlight' snowdrop in my garden Alan.
I'm impressed! I'm trying to build up my stock for swaps but this has taken some time and I have only parted with three bulbs so far because I have so few myself. Joe Sharman has only been selling them for a few years and only selling a few a year so you have done well to get one. It does seem to be a good doer but my first two bulbs took a year or two to settle so got off to a slow start. The ones in the pot that I photographed are making up for lost time, however.
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Alan
The Green Light you swapped with me is beginning to clump up well. I hope your Ailwyn is doing likewise.
Steve
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I'll take a photo of mine next weekend Alan, hopefully the flowers will have dropped by then. I bought the bulb 2 years ago from Joe & I have three flowering size bulbs this year with a few yung'uns at the side. If it goes on like this I'll have one or two to swap in a couple of years :D
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Alan why dont you send a bulb or two away for twin scaling?
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Alan why dont you send a bulb or two away for twin scaling?
Alan
Why not twin scale - or chip- yourself :)
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Here is a green tipped snowdrop in the garden today. I've lost the label, so don't know the name.
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I'm quite apprehensive about twin-scaling myself. A few years ago I tried a daffodil for practise but I got quite a low yield and the bulbs never recovered, still well below flowering size. Plus all the instructions talk about the copious use of fungicides I don't have. I did send away one bulb to an expert for twin scaling and it seems to be doing quite well in year two now; which is just as well as the rest of my stock then upped and vanished.
I am actually looking for twin-scaling experts in case my current helper gets too busy to do more, so if you have suggestions please send me a PM. Mark has been helpful in the past but I don't know if the people he suggested then are still active.
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Alan
The Green Light you swapped with me is beginning to clump up well. I hope your Ailwyn is doing likewise.
Steve
"Clump" might be a bit of an over-statement so far, but I got two flowers instead of one this year and I'm very satisfied because I had been told Ailwyn does not increase that rapidly, so my expectations were low.
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They are Alan
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I'm quite apprehensive about twin-scaling myself.
Made me smile for some reason.... do we need more than one Alan? ;D
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I am actually looking for twin-scaling experts in case my current helper gets too busy to do more, so if you have suggestions please send me a PM. Mark has been helpful in the past but I don't know if the people he suggested then are still active.
I believe Colin Mason (Fieldgate) is an expert twin scaler. Take a look here:
https://sites.google.com/a/narrateo.com/fieldgate-twinscaling/ (https://sites.google.com/a/narrateo.com/fieldgate-twinscaling/)
at the bottom of the page there is also a link to an article Colin wrote about twinscaling if you wanted to have a go yourself
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Rob could your snowdrop Selbourne Green Tips or Jonathan? Does that sound right?
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Can anyone suggest an ID for this one?
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good photo showing the leaves and flower but I dont recognise it.
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Can anyone suggest an ID for this one?
Galanthus lostlabel? I think it is dangerous to name snowdrops based purely on a resemblance between flowers but I say this every year. I keep a record of the names of all the snowdrops I have bought and if I find seedlings I try to isolate them. That way if I lose a label then I might be able to identify the snowdrop by a process of elimination.
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Sorry to interfere, but is it 'Selbourne Green Tips' or 'Selborne Green Tips'. The latter spelling is from Bishop (2001) page 198.
Thanks for your help.
Wim
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Galanthus lostlabel? I think it is dangerous to name snowdrops based purely on a resemblance between flowers but I say this every year. I keep a record of the names of all the snowdrops I have bought and if I find seedlings I try to isolate them. That way if I lose a label then I might be able to identify the snowdrop by a process of elimination.
Actually, I do have a label, but the picture I can find of this name doesn't seem to match the plant, so I thought better to invite suggestions from a blank canvas. I'll say later what is on the label ;D
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My mistake Wim
Diane what does your label say?
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Diane what does your label say?
suggestion first, please!
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Sorry to interfere, but is it 'Selbourne Green Tips' or 'Selborne Green Tips'. The latter spelling is from Bishop (2001) page 198.
Thanks for your help.
Wim
No need to apologise for making a helpful suggestion, Wim!
Actually, I do have a label, but the picture I can find of this name doesn't seem to match the plant, so I thought better to invite suggestions from a blank canvas. I'll say later what is on the label ;D
It's fine to invite suggestions from a blank canvas but (in my opinion) totally wrong to assign names on that basis. Now if you know you have bought a Selbourne/Selborne Green Tips and you can't find it then it would be a reasonable inference to assign it that name. You only have to read the total confusion amongst forum members over G. Beth Chatto to see where misassigned named can lead.
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Diane what does your label say?
suggestion first, please!
That'll sort the men from the boys :P ;D
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Sorry to interfere, but is it 'Selbourne Green Tips' or 'Selborne Green Tips'. The latter spelling is from Bishop (2001) page 198.
Thanks for your help.
Wim
No need to apologise for making a helpful suggestion, Wim!
I'm in agreement with you, Alan, I'm not going to apply any old name to the plant, just curious to see what you experts think it could be. I'm also waiting for a second flower in the pot to open to see if it's the same.
By the way, I think that Wim was referring to Mark's spelling, not a suggestion for my plant ;D
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First person to receive Hanneke's book Galanthomanis can try out here new idea of keying snowdrops
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First person to receive Hanneke's book Galanthomanis can try out here new idea of keying snowdrops
Mine was dispatched yesterday, so maybe I'll be able to try it myself tomorrow 8)
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Very very nice
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First person to receive Hanneke's book Galanthomanis can try out here new idea of keying snowdrops
Mine was dispatched yesterday, so maybe I'll be able to try it myself tomorrow 8)
Got my copy this morning, only had time to flick through it. What ive seen looks wonderful ;D
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The postman has just knocked with my copy. Lots of reading to do at lunchtime. Noticed a picture of a snowdrop called 'Phil Cornish' in there - not heard of this one before unless they have renamed 'Phils Fancy'? Does anyone know?
Lots of lovely photos to drool over. ;D
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So who is going to do a review and post it?
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Amazon says this title has not yet been released. ???
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Hi Olga
I think the release date was yesterday (February 1st) - I pre-ordered mine from 'the book depository'.
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Mine has arrived this morning,but I am still bleary eyed,woken by the postman,not impressed by him as am working night shifts
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Does 25 photos per page work?
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Does 25 photos per page work?
They are similar sized photos to many in snowdrops 1 Mark.
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Chilly and breezy here - but some of my snowdrops have decided they like the day and have opened up at last. 8)
1 - 'Ding Dong' - 2 lots of this in the garden and one is far ahead of the other. :-\
2 - 'Epiphany' (guess it didn't like the weather on January 6th! ;D)
3 - 'Lady Dalhousie' (a kind gift from a forum member and increasing at a rapid speed).
4 - The beautiful 'Moyas Green'
5 - 'Mr Blobby' (Had him 3 years and I'm getting bored of him. He just doesn't do it for me :-\)
6 - 'Wasp' - sent to me as a small non flowering bulb by a kind SRGC forumist in 2007 - has now increased to 8 flowering sized bulbs and one given away last year 8))
7 - 'Nothing Special' (purchased as a single bulb in 2007 and increasing rapidly)
8 - 'Penelope Anne' (another good do'er)
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John
Excellent pictures of excellent plants
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John
Excellent pictures of excellent plants
Yes indeed excellent photos John.
For some reason I had it in my head that wasp was a rather "weak" grower, but from your experience that doesn't seem to be the case. I'll have to add it to my growing wish list :P
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Oh, John,
You are a little harsh on poor 'Mr. Blobby'; he's a fine build and holds himself well.
I have to agree with you re 'Moya's Green', a lovely combination of the full strong green inner mark and long full outer petals. Lovely!
'Penelope Ann' is a good one too.
A good set of shots.
Paddy
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i will gladly give poor Mr Blobby a new home if he has over stayed his welcome ;D
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No sign of my Mr Blobby! That Moya's Green is seriously nice...and even in Hanneke's book!
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Hi Olga
I think the release date was yesterday (February 1st) - I pre-ordered mine from 'the book depository'.
Was it a good price, John? I may order it myself.
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I may order it myself.
I saw that, more incrimination!
johnwho
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I've just been told there is a new Diggory type of snowdrop cally Fatty
Poof - surely not
100 lines - Mark must pay attention to snowdrop lists
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3 - 'Lady Dalhousie' (a kind gift from a forum member and increasing at a rapid speed).
Whoops I seem to have over-written my previous posting:
John - Good to see 'Lady Dalhousie' as it's new to me and I was surpised to learn that a snowdrop was named after a Scot who lived in NS. And Dalhousie is my alma mater.
The distinguished Nova Scotian Joseph Howe wrote of Lady Dalhousie:
"Nothing could be more correct and refining than the tone given to society by Lady Dalhousie who, without being handsome was remarkable for the plainness of her dress and the elegant simplicity of her manners."
Much describes her snowdrop. She was quite a rock hound.
Your photo of Wasp is very elegant!
johnw
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I've just been told there is a new Diggory type of snowdrop cally Fatty Poof - surely not
It was on Joe's list that you posted the other day day Mark. ;D
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There was one on the monksilver list called 'fatty puff' with puffed petals but different mark inside.
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I've just been told there is a new Diggory type of snowdrop cally Fatty Poof - surely not
It was bound to come to this!
johnw
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Honestly, you are a right shower... behave yourselves, isn't it bad enough that some poor 'drop is saddled with the name Mr Blobby? ::) :P
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OK I see ... Since the list arrived and I highlighted many I havent lookd at it again.
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Lovely pictures John, and for the first time I can see that an extensive collection could be a good thing (if that were possible here). Some discretion with their naming (Mr Blobby????) would also be a good thing.
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OK I see ... Since the list arrived and I highlighted many I havent lookd at it again.
I thought the idea was to order them Mark ;D
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£250 a month doesnt go far on snowdrops and will only get me 1 EA Bowles on Ebay ;D
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Gorgeous photos John and lovely snowdrops too. I have been watching Mr Blobby selling on ebay with great interest as it always commands such high prices. I just love the name and think it suits the snowdrop very well - I like the big round flowers. Is it very tall?
I wonder if Fatty Puff will be a better grower than Diggory. My Diggory is still a no show this year so far although there is a bit of spindly growth near the label - not sure if it is the snowdrop or a weed.
I am posting a photo from last year. They are plicatus (I think) seedlings I bought on ebay very cheap for £10 and she sent me three or four huge bulbs. They are all coming through nicely though nowhere near flowering yet.
Jennie
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Lovely dark eyes on the plicatus.
Veronica Cross is now a snowdrop. She's one of the South Hayes lookalike gracilis hybrids here
http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20gracilis%20x1.html (http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20gracilis%20x1.html)
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And which one is she? Or is that still a secret?
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Thomas, until I get confirmation which one it is and rename the photo I don't know.
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Dear John all, just want to clear up some facts about Galanthus plicatus x nivalis Lady Dalhousie which has had an A.M. at Dunblane show. This snowdrop is named after Lady Dalhousie at Brechin Castle and is on of my finds, I post a picture of the Lady with her snowdrop, cheers Ian the Christie kind
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Thanks for the information Ian. Still she's a Lady Dalhousie and surely knows of the N. S. connection. Beautiful & distinguished lady with her matching snowdrop!
johnw
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... I don't know.
Bottom row, third along, looks the most unusually-marked.
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Alan all I know is it has a pale ovary
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3 - 'Lady Dalhousie' (a kind gift from a forum member and increasing at a rapid speed).
Whoops I seem to have over-written my previous posting:
- Good to see 'Lady Dalhousie' as it's new to me and I was surpised to learn that a snowdrop was named after a Scot who lived in NS. And Dalhousie is my alma mater.
The distinguished Nova Scotian Joseph Howe wrote of Lady Dalhousie:
"Nothing could be more correct and refining than the tone given to society by Lady Dalhousie who, without being handsome was remarkable for the plainness of her dress and the elegant simplicity of her manners."
Much describes her snowdrop. She was quite a rock hound.
johnw
The Dalhousie family is a distinguished one with many overseas connections, as you have found, JohnW.
The 'drop version is a lovely thing, you can see more photos of it eleswhere in the Forum. It received anAM last year.... though some may claim it is not much differnet to some other snowdrops, they miss the point that this is a galanthus which is elegant, sturdy and thrives in the Scottish climate. Worthy attributes for any snowdrop... especially for those growing in conditons similar to those here in Scotland.
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[ sturdy and thrives in the Scottish climate. Worthy attributes for any snowdrop... especially for those growing in conditons similar to those here in Scotland.
Maggi - The very attributes we should be pushing for snowdrops in various climates. Bravo to Martin for taking on the challenge.
johnw - still snowing
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[ sturdy and thrives in the Scottish climate. Worthy attributes for any snowdrop... especially for those growing in conditons similar to those here in Scotland.
Maggi - The very attributes we should be pushing for snowdrops in various climates. Bravo to Martin for taking on the challenge.
johnw - still snowing
Thanks John. Sometimes it seems like a very long, slow slog though, especially when working with triploid cultivars with such stubbornly low fertility, and even more so when the ploidy levels of other snowdrops you've been working with start to look different to what you thought they were and don't give the results you'd hoped for. And when you do get something good, you have to start bulking it up, which takes even more time. At least there'll be something nice to plant on my grave. ;D
Hope the snow isn't as bad in your part of the world as it is in the U.S. midwest.
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I wonder if Fatty Puff will be a better grower than Diggory. My Diggory is still a no show this year so far although there is a bit of spindly growth near the label - not sure if it is the snowdrop or a weed.
I have been wondering the same Jennie - my Diggory that was 4 flowers last year is a single spindly blade of grass this year. This will be the second time I have killed Diggory off in my garden and I won't be trying again. It will be interesting to find out one day if 'Fatty Puff' would be any happier with my garden. :-\
A rather nice bunch of mixed seedlings you got there.
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Galanthus 'Don Armstrong', a poculiform elwesii, photographed yesterday afternoon.
Paddy
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Wow, Paddy! You're always up to date ... :)
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Thomas,
I had photographed some snowdrops yesterday afternoon and was then too busy to post them last evening. When I saw Ian's posting of G. 'Don Armstrong' in his Bulb Log this morning, I thought I would add my photographs. It is a lovely flower and, from what John Weagle has said, it keeps the memory of a very nice man in our minds. Flowers do this very well, better than statues or plaques in my opinion. They allow the memory to be kept in many places and in the minds of many people.
Paddy
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Keeping the memory of a person, a place or a situation is a thing, I probably love most in galanthophilia...
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Paddy, it's great! :o
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It's a beauty, Paddy. By far one of the very best elwesii pocs. I'm drooling! 8)
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Paddy, magnificent galanthus!
Thanks for detailed photos from different foreshortenings.
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The snowdrops in the garden are finally beginning to get going, the main ones here are Magnet and Atkinsii.
But its much easier to photograph the ones in pots so here are some from this morning
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And here are some green tipped ones, separately and then together. Cornwood and Jessica.
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And here are some green tipped ones, separately and then together. Cornwood and Jessica.
Jessica's a cracker isn't it Jo? The best green tip elwesii in my book. Probably Phil Cornish's best find.
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And some more, Trumps, Trymlet, David Baker and them all together with Trym at the bottom which I think may be a seedling rather than the real thing :)
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Yes Martin, she looks good and strong too.
Elwesii's are not my strong point here. I think It may be a bit acid and damp for them.
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roll on Tuesday! ;D
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You must be feeling much happier with the garden starting to really blossom, Jo. I hope it's going to be a lovely year for you and all your garden visitors.
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Jo. I hope it's going to be a lovely year for you and all your garden visitors.
I hope so too.... Mark arrives at Jo's on Tuesday and I arrive there on Wednesday. ;D
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:D :D :D
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Jo,
A lovely selection of snowdrops but, like Martin above, I think 'Jessica' is particularly good. 'Cornwood' is another good one.
Paddy
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A few quick snaps taken at lunch time.
1 - Mrs Thompson - last year she was 5 or 6 petals per flower - this year she has decided to be all double headers! ;D
2 - a nivalis poculiform
3 - 'Anglesea Abbey'
4 - 'Bungee'
5 - fosteri
6 - 'Yaffle'
7 - 'Gerard Parker'
8 - 'Grumpy'
9 - 'Angelique'
10 - 'Green Light' (sorry about the quality of the picture - it refused to get into focus or get the light balance right! But I thought Alan would like to see that it is happy here.)
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John
Excellent plants. We all thought the harsh winter might have an adverse effect on our snowdrops, but so far everyone seems to be able to show better and better plants. They may be later but no harm done.
Must get photographing.
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Another couple:
1 - for some reason this little clump of 'Godfrey Owen' is going over already. :-\ I think it may be because it was starting to flower in all that horrible snow last month and that seems to have shortened the life of the flowers this season. :'(
2 - fortunately the smaller group I separated off when doing my giveaways last year is on the other side of the garden and was a couple of weeks behind with flowers now looking in perfect health. 8)
3, 4 and 5 - 'Wendys Gold' - I noticed this fused flower today.
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Don't look Olga, don't look. You have to wait 2 months for spring. :-\
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Thanks for the pix Jo and John, some beauties there. Good to see part of your garden Jo and the Tr....'s. Angelique is a particularly nice hefty one John.
johnw
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John the Godfrey Own is lovely.
Here is my 'Helen Tomlinson' nice memories of a long time friend.
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Another couple:
1 - for some reason this little clump of 'Godfrey Owen' is going over already. :-\ I think it may be because it was starting to flower in all that horrible snow last month and that seems to have shortened the life of the flowers this season. :'(
2 - fortunately the smaller group I separated off when doing my giveaways last year is on the other side of the garden and was a couple of weeks behind with flowers now looking in perfect health. 8)
3, 4 and 5 - 'Wendys Gold' - I noticed this fused flower today.
John
Where is 5.
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Yes Martin, she looks good and strong too.
Elwesii's are not my strong point here. I think It may be a bit acid and damp for them.
Jo
My soil is acid and the elwesii flourish. At the right time (not in Iran this year) I will send you some, together with reginae-olgae and peshmenii.
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I havent seen Bungee before now. That's a good clump of Angelique. Mine look more like Gloria - almost pure white
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John,
A lovely selection - good use of your lunch break to get out, photograph and show us these beauties.
Re 'Godfrey Owen': This was early into flower in the garden here also, at the same time as G. elwesii monostictus, hiemalis and 'Barnes'. It is still going at the moment, probably held by the cold weather. It is a lovely flower, so perfectly regular. The fused double flower of 'Wendy's Gold' is an amusing one.
I have to comment that Alan's 'Green Light' is a lovely snowdrop.
Olga, you will have to enjoy our spring flowering here and we can enjoy yours later.
Tony, like you I particularly enjoy plants with an association with a gardening friend, or with a well-known gardener or garden etc. It adds greatly to the interest.
Paddy
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Thanks for the lovely photos Jo & John.
Emma T kindly swapped me a Godfrey Owen last summer as the one I had from Ron Mackenzie didn't grow. It hadn't dropped its flower when I went round with my torch after work last night. I'll check it again when I get home as it has been a lovely sunny day here in darkest Somerset & should've moved things on a bit.
Sorry I cant partake in the threads more than I do, I'm at work & have to snatch a few moments here & there when the boss isn't around! ::)
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Here is my 'Helen Tomlinson' nice memories of a long time friend.
Great picture Tony, what a lovely plant to have as a memory aid 8)
I imagine that peoples memories of me are not aided by such a pretty flower... ;)
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Oh, John, it would take a very special flower to be worthy to bear your name! And, we'll remember you without a flower, anyway.
A week or so ago there was talk of crossing snowdrops using 'Wendy's Gold' as a parent. Here is a seedling from 'Wendy's Gold'. No credit is due to me as there simply was a ripe seedpod which I opened and spread the seed onto a scrape in the bed. It germinated the following spring and I have kept an eye on it since.
Paddy
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had a quick run round with my camera this pm but still not got much to photograph, lovely afternoon though :)
Washfield Colesborne.
Gracilis Highdown.
courtyard with nivalis in foreground.
snowdrop walk still looking a little bare.
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Lovely Wendy's Gold seedling Paddy!
I've never had a seed pod off my WG's they just wither up even though I've tried pollinating them with another desirable snowdrop.
Mike
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Thanks for the lovely photos Jo & John.
Emma T kindly swapped me a Godfrey Owen last summer as the one I had from Ron Mackenzie didn't grow. It hadn't dropped its flower when I went round with my torch after work last night. I'll check it again when I get home as it has been a lovely sunny day here in darkest Somerset & should've moved things on a bit.
Sorry I cant partake in the threads more than I do, I'm at work & have to snatch a few moments here & there when the boss isn't around! ::)
Glad its happy Mike. I keep snatching moments on here, gives my arms a rest from all the mulching im doing, im the boss ,so guess its okay ::)
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Lovely Wendy's Gold seedling Paddy!
I've never had a seed pod off my WG's they just wither up even though I've tried pollinating them with another desirable snowdrop.
Mike
Mike - Same thing here on the yellows.
Nice seedling Paddy.
johnw
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Probably not all that interestingbut here are some Galanthus elwesii I have raised showing some variations
g62 are all similar but the other two pots g17 and g97 are quite variable.
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Very nice mixed 'widgets', Tony.
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I had some pods on my 'wendys gold' i had placed a pot under them plant and pegged the scape down. My dog thought it would be good fun to run off with all the pots. So no seeds saved last year :'( I will try again :)
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Probably not all that interestingbut here are some Galanthus elwesii I have raised showing some variations
g62 are all similar but the other two pots g17 and g97 are quite variable.
Do I detect an influence from gracilis?
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I thought the same Arthur
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Probably not all that interestingbut here are some Galanthus elwesii I have raised showing some variations
g62 are all similar but the other two pots g17 and g97 are quite variable.
Do I detect an influence from gracilis?
Pure bred wild seed from Greece,no chance of a mix up but then it has been discussed in previous years as to how close to gracilis they are !!
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Yes, I think we've already been over the elwesii v. gracilis thing re. these bulbs last year, Tony. Probably have the same one next year too ;D Long term I suspect that as more and more wild material is seen (as opposed to the few established clones of gracilis previously in cultivation) the taxonomists will have to look at whether gracilis and elwesii can be maintained as separate species or be recognised as all within the natural variability of one species. Anyhoo, very nice elwecilis!
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I keep snatching moments on here, gives my arms a rest from all the mulching im doing, im the boss ,so guess its okay
having spent much of the last four weeks doing the same I feel your pain, "mulchers arm" should be a recognised medical condition ;)
one more from today, Wendy's Gold which after years of struggling with (yellows don't like me) and moving around the garden is slowly starting to look healthy.
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Nice pics Tony Jo and John 8). Tony it is so nice to get such lovely variations from seed .
It seems everything is beginning to take off now. Here are a couple from the garden today
The first 2 pics are of G gracilis Vic Horton
Mrs MacNammara - One of my favourites and a really elegant snowdrop that is if you consider the whole plant
A G Yvonne Hay (thanks TonyW)
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Nice shot of Yvonne Hays
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one more from today, Wendy's Gold which after years of struggling with (yellows don't like me) and moving around the garden is slowly starting to look healthy.
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my struggling Wendy`s don`t flower this year so they are about to be moved to another spot.
hope they will do better in the future
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loes
I've had the same problems with Savill Gold. Such a choosy snowdrop! I may at last have cosseted it into giving it a go.
Steve
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Probably not all that interestingbut here are some Galanthus elwesii I have raised showing some variations
Very nice looking Tony. To an uninitiated eye like mine they look every bit as attractive as many with names and even ebay notoriety ;) ;D
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Surely 'Godfrey Owen' is not named for NZ's famous (now retired) World Champion sheep shearer?
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Lesley it was named after Margaret Owen's late husband
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Surely 'Godfrey Owen' is not named for NZ's famous (now retired) World Champion sheep shearer?
8) 8) 8)
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Good one, Lesley.
Paddy
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Think I'll chuck my twopennorth in, here are some of mine. I have to say that all names are questionable as I decided to follow the mesh basket trend last summer. I had all the bulbs set out in groups on a table I use for re-potting, stepped back wards, forgot the table was there, and the bulbs, closely followed by me finished up in a heap on the lawn. I think I re-sorted them properly but can't be sure so some advice as to correctness or not would be greatly appreciated.
Sorry that the focus on a couple of shots is nothing to shout about. Today has not been my day!
These are I think:-
Magnet (2 shots)
Ginns Imperati (2 shots)
Augustus (1 shot)
Comet (1 shot)
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I moved my elwesii Green Tip last year and this year they have the best green tips ever - for me anyway. One has an extra petal
And a rubbish photo showing tiny green marks on my Ivy Cottage Green Tip
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Thanks for the encouragement Arthur, some elwesii's seem OK but others just sit and sulk.
Haha Mark, I don't think my version of Ivycoft green tip is much better than that, its in the shade so it hasn't opened up so I can take a decent pic.
There have been some lovely pictures today, this milder weather is getting us all outside, and on our knees ;) And its really good to see everyones seedlings.
It would be nice to see some wider shots of how everyone grows their plants, garden, frame, glasshouse etc
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I've been planting new areas for a few years, will post some wider shots tomorrow, most are in established borders, bare banks and some raised beds, one of the most successful places is in terrible soil under some old Apple trees, my carefully prepared beds aren't doing anything like as well ::)
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Wow, Ian that is a smashing shot of Mrs, McNamara and shows her at her finest. It appears to be a glorious day there. We are shin-deep in snow.
Yesterday was groundhog day and he promises an early spring from Texas to Newfoundland.
johnw
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In the words of JohnW, wow, some fantastic photos.
With work commitments I'm not seeing much daylight at the moment so seeing these photos is giving me my Galanthus fix, an absolute delight. Keep them coming :P
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Some really gorgeous photos today by forum members. John, I love that Bungee - what a pedicel that one has.
Tomorrow I hope I will have some blooms and will head outside with my camera. Here is a collage I made from last years photo for my blog
Hope the images are not too small to see
Jennie
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John, I love that Bungee - what a pedicel that one has.
Here is a collage I made from last years photo for my blog
Jennie
Jennie - Boy you're right, that Bungee looks like Magnet on steroids.
Nioce collage.
johnw
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Where is 5.
Oops. I decided it was too similar to the other 2 'fused Wendys Gold' pictures so didn't post it.
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Nope looked at him last night & I have to report me 'Godfrey' hasn't dropped yet............ ::)
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Some really gorgeous photos today by forum members. John, I love that Bungee - what a pedicel that one has.
Tomorrow I hope I will have some blooms and will head outside with my camera. Here is a collage I made from last years photo for my blog
Hope the images are not too small to see
Jennie
Jennie,
Can you post a link to your blog?
Lovely collage.
Paddy
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Tomorrow I hope I will have some blooms and will head outside with my camera. Here is a collage I made from last years photo for my blog
Very nice Jennie, you could always put your blog link on your personal profile ;)
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On January 31st I posted a photograph of G. 'Beth Chatto' (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6443.405) from my garden. Subsequent discussion led me to conclude that what I was growing was not in fact the real 'Beth Chatto' at all, something which was a great disappointment to me as Mary and I had visited the gardens, had absolutely adored them and treasured the snowdrop as a memento of the such a great gardener.
Following our discussions here on the forum, I dropped an e-mail to the Beth Chatto Nursery - I posted a copy in the forum. This morning I received a reply from David Ward and will copy it below for your attention. While it confirms that I don't have the genuine 'Beth Chatto' and that continues to be a disappointment, I am delighted with the honesty and openness of the reply. Anything other than such a reply would have spoiled many fond gardening memories. It reaffirms my great respect for the Beth Chatto Gardens and Nursery and that was the value the snowdrop held for me so I'll continue with the bulb I have but change its name to reflect its new status, "Beth Chatto Seedling", perhaps?
Paddy
Here is David Ward's reply:
Dear Paddy,
Thanks for getting in touch re Galanthus plicatus 'Beth Chatto'. It was fascinating to read the thread on the SRG forum so please fell free to post this answer if you think it will help.
Firstly let me apologise to yourself and others who have been growing what they quite rightly expected to be the original obtained directly or indirectly from the stock here. Several years ago it became clear that the patches here were becoming muddled with self sown seedlings. Using our memories ( poor move), the Snowdrop book and a couple of photos we identified the true plants main features being its large globular flowers on relatively short stems. The inner markings should be a pinched X if that makes sense with no separation. Both the inner and outer segments can be misshapen but this is variable. Foliage is flat against the ground. Finally two flowers per bulb when settled. Using these characteristics I have tried over the past 5 years or so to sort the plants out.
We are often asked for the plant as Matt speaks well of it in his book, so we have sold a few or swapped the snowdrop with other enthusiasts over the years and some people undoubtedly have, in more recent years, been supplied in good faith with plants that were not true. We sold a few ex Beth Chatto seedlings via ebay, clearly stating they were seedlings of and not the true plant. I believe we sold two or three supposedly true 'Beth Chatto' which I selected out.
I think I must admit defeat and just let the stock here become G. plicatus Beth Chatto seedlings. Of the images posted in the thread, Gerard Oud's looks to be the most correct form. I will sift through our old slides to see what more I can find. Its a shame the image in Snowdrops is so unhelpful.
Its such a lovely snowdrop and I must confess to feeling somewhat guilty of not taking better care of it. Does everyone deadhead their snowdrops?
Once again my apologies and please keep me updated, it would be wonderful if somehow we could get the true plant back in circulation again.
Kind Regards,
Dave Ward...The Beth Chatto Gardens.
My e-mail to the Beth Chatto Gardens:
From: Paddy & Mary Tobin
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 9:08 AM
To: info@bethchatto.fsnet.co.uk
username=Paddy Tobin
usermail=pmtobin@eircom.net
comment=http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6443.msg182771#msg182771
Please refer to the link above where there is a short discussion on Galanthus plicatus 'Beth Chatto'. You will read of my purchase of a bulb of same from you in 2005 and my delight that after five years of producing only one flower each year it is now showing six flower buds this spring. However, on posting a photograph from last year, other members of the Scottish Rock Garden Forum have pointed out that the bulb I grow is not true to description and is not, in fact, G. 'Beth Chatto' at all.
Can you rectify this for me, please?
Yours Sincerely, Paddy Tobin, Waterford, Ireland
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I think that's a good idea Jo having some wider shots of the snowdrops as I find it interesting to compare the soil in the photo with mine & the immediate surroundings of the snowdrop. We can learn so much from each other.
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Think I'll chuck my twopennorth in, here are some of mine. I have to say that all names are questionable as I decided to follow the mesh basket trend last summer. I had all the bulbs set out in groups on a table I use for re-potting, stepped back wards, forgot the table was there, and the bulbs, closely followed by me finished up in a heap on the lawn. I think I re-sorted them properly but can't be sure so some advice as to correctness or not would be greatly appreciated.
Sorry that the focus on a couple of shots is nothing to shout about. Today has not been my day!
These are I think:-
Magnet (2 shots)
Ginns Imperati (2 shots)
Augustus (1 shot)
Comet (1 shot)
Well, if I can bring you to more mundane matters, can anyone help please?
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Comet, Augustus look right to me, haven't grown Ginns for years but have a pot waiting to be planted not in flower yet, from memory (not that good ;)) is right, Magnet should be easy from the long pedicel.
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Sorry David, I'll brave the gale and photograph Magnet and Ginn's I. in the same style to see if they look right,
Your Augustus does look properly like seersucker but when seen from the side it should be about globular.
My Comet in north Devon is not out yet but yours has a long pedicel which does look about right.
So now I'll wrap up against the elements and boldly go.......
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Paddy
Thanks for all your spadework in getting us sorted out on this confusion. I had a "Beth Chatto" via Ebay that died out and a "Beth Chatto seedling" that is hale and hearty, so seem to have landed on my feet.
Steve
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I had heard a similar story about G. Beth Chatto this week but didnt want to say until the official reply came through
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For the Dutch or travellers; I just had the information that at Garden Centre Nijssen in Heemskerk, a few plants in pot of Galanthus 'Marijke' are on sale, for the first time ever. First come, first served.
Wim
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What does it look like, Wim?
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On January 31st I posted a photograph of G. 'Beth Chatto' (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6443.405) from my garden. Subsequent discussion led me to conclude that what I was growing was not in fact the real 'Beth Chatto' at all, something which was a great disappointment to me as Mary and I had visited the gardens, had absolutely adored them and treasured the snowdrop as a memento of the such a great gardener.
Following our discussions here on the forum, I dropped an e-mail to the Beth Chatto Nursery - I posted a copy in the forum. This morning I received a reply from David Ward and will copy it below for your attention. While it confirms that I don't have the genuine 'Beth Chatto' and that continues to be a disappointment, I am delighted with the honesty and openness of the reply. Anything other than such a reply would have spoiled many fond gardening memories. It reaffirms my great respect for the Beth Chatto Gardens and Nursery and that was the value the snowdrop held for me so I'll continue with the bulb I have but change its name to reflect its new status, "Beth Chatto Seedling", perhaps?
Paddy
Here is David Ward's reply:
Dear Paddy,
Thanks for getting in touch re Galanthus plicatus 'Beth Chatto'. It was fascinating to read the thread on the SRG forum so please fell free to post this answer if you think it will help.
Firstly let me apologise to yourself and others who have been growing what they quite rightly expected to be the original obtained directly or indirectly from the stock here. Several years ago it became clear that the patches here were becoming muddled with self sown seedlings. Using our memories ( poor move), the Snowdrop book and a couple of photos we identified the true plants main features being its large globular flowers on relatively short stems. The inner markings should be a pinched X if that makes sense with no separation. Both the inner and outer segments can be misshapen but this is variable. Foliage is flat against the ground. Finally two flowers per bulb when settled. Using these characteristics I have tried over the past 5 years or so to sort the plants out.
We are often asked for the plant as Matt speaks well of it in his book, so we have sold a few or swapped the snowdrop with other enthusiasts over the years and some people undoubtedly have, in more recent years, been supplied in good faith with plants that were not true. We sold a few ex Beth Chatto seedlings via ebay, clearly stating they were seedlings of and not the true plant. I believe we sold two or three supposedly true 'Beth Chatto' which I selected out.
I think I must admit defeat and just let the stock here become G. plicatus Beth Chatto seedlings. Of the images posted in the thread, Gerard Oud's looks to be the most correct form. I will sift through our old slides to see what more I can find. Its a shame the image in Snowdrops is so unhelpful.
Its such a lovely snowdrop and I must confess to feeling somewhat guilty of not taking better care of it. Does everyone deadhead their snowdrops?
Once again my apologies and please keep me updated, it would be wonderful if somehow we could get the true plant back in circulation again.
Kind Regards,
Dave Ward...The Beth Chatto Gardens.
My e-mail to the Beth Chatto Gardens:
From: Paddy & Mary Tobin
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 9:08 AM
To: info@bethchatto.fsnet.co.uk
username=Paddy Tobin
usermail=pmtobin@eircom.net
comment=http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6443.msg182771#msg182771
Please refer to the link above where there is a short discussion on Galanthus plicatus 'Beth Chatto'. You will read of my purchase of a bulb of same from you in 2005 and my delight that after five years of producing only one flower each year it is now showing six flower buds this spring. However, on posting a photograph from last year, other members of the Scottish Rock Garden Forum have pointed out that the bulb I grow is not true to description and is not, in fact, G. 'Beth Chatto' at all.
Can you rectify this for me, please?
Yours Sincerely, Paddy Tobin, Waterford, Ireland
Thanks for posting the reply from Beth Chatto Nursery Paddy...
That shows a nursery with integrity... 8)
Warren
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OK David, here are some pics of Magnet, Ginn's Imperati, Augustus and Comet :)
I've also included a comparison of Magnet and Bungee, Magnet being at the bottom of the pic.
So as long as you had those in the first place then you can decide if you think they're the same.
Devon snowdrop events this week include Rosemoor Saturday, here, Cherubeer Gardens, Sunday ( NGS ) and The Garden House Thursday so hopefully I'll see you at all of those :o :o :o
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You may remember that last year I took most of my collection out of their lattice pots. They all have a new vigour and where many had stopped flowering most if not all are great this year. What I also did before replanting, in the same place, I replaced the soil beneath the lattice pot, added bone meal and leaf mould.
All snowdrops are open today because its 11c but sadly no photography because of the wind.
Some people were worrying about no show snowdrops. I was also. My Penelope Ann are only just showing.
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The strangest thing has occurred last year a friend gave me a clump of snowdrops from thousands that have naturalized on a cemetery that he looks after i photographed the clump when i got them home (photo one)i then split them and put them in pots.They have come up this year with very distinct greentips on there outers(photo two)what i missed was the clump did have faint green on there outers,you just see on the first photo on a flower to the rear.Is the amount of green down too stress in the plant?
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I've heard before that stress causes it. You'll have to wait until next year. I like the shape of the inner mark. My nivalis Mini Me, not green tipped varies from year to year
Looking at last years photos I forgot that my Mini Me had increased to 3 flowering bulbs. I said last week it was only two. That means I'm down a flowering sized bulb :(
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.. and a reminder of how small it is
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Steve & Paddy, I also bought a 'Beth Chatto' from Beth Chatto Gardens through ebay in March 2009
It was bought as the real thing not ex BC.
When it flowers this year I'll have a careful look at it. (no flowers last year)
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For the Dutch or travellers; I just had the information that at Garden Centre Nijssen in Heemskerk, a few plants in pot of Galanthus 'Marijke' are on sale, for the first time ever. First come, first served.
Wim
Sounds exciting for the snowdrop collectors, Wim!
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Mark,
It is one I found and "it's enourmous" and can be classified in the Green Group, see Hanneke's book. I send all bulbs I had, except 3 (one for Marijke, one for Hanneke and one for Annie), to Nijssen who let the bulb grow and propagate by a nursery in France. They hope to offer more in future as the plant is very easy and multiplies well by itself.
Wim
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WOW thats lovely
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'Marijke' is the style I like.... full and sturdy. Lovely flower.
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OK David, here are some pics of Magnet, Ginn's Imperati, Augustus and Comet :)
I've also included a comparison of Magnet and Bungee, Magnet being at the bottom of the pic.
So as long as you had those in the first place then you can decide if you think they're the same.
Many thanks for taking the time Jo, I'll check 'em out in a minute.
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I believe Marijke rings very well, she has a long pedicel.
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Marijke,here I come ;D
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OK David, here are some pics of Magnet, Ginn's Imperati, Augustus and Comet :)
I've also included a comparison of Magnet and Bungee, Magnet being at the bottom of the pic.
So as long as you had those in the first place then you can decide if you think they're the same.
Many thanks for taking the time Jo, I'll check 'em out in a minute.
Yup, they all look OK
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Wim, lovely markings on 'Marijke', what a good find, well done.
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For the Dutch or travellers; I just had the information that at Garden Centre Nijssen in Heemskerk, a few plants in pot of Galanthus 'Marijke' are on sale, for the first time ever. First come, first served.
Wim
For the travellers: ;)
For Heemskerk you should read HEEMSTEDE , which is only 16 kms. from my place. Whereas Heemskerk is about 40 Kms.
Reading the experts comments I will have to go for it, as they sound very positive and Wims comment states that is might be a good garden plant, which is more importent for me, being not a Galanthophile ::) ::)
PS after Wim's first message the first trhee were sold already within a few minutes ::) ::) ::)
I will never understand those people who suffer on white fever :P
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For the Dutch or travellers; I just had the information that at Garden Centre Nijssen in Heemskerk, a few plants in pot of Galanthus 'Marijke' are on sale, for the first time ever. First come, first served.
Wim
For the travellers: ;)
For Heemskerk you should read HEEMSTEDE , which is only 16 kms. from my place. Whereas Heemskerk is about 40 Kms.
Reading the experts comments I will have to go for it, as they sound very positive and Wims comment states that is might be a good garden plant, which is more importent for me, being not a Galanthophile ::) ::)
PS after Wim's first message the first trhee were sold already within a few minutes ::) ::) ::)
I will never understand those people who suffer on white fever :P
;D ;D ;D
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Does anyone know anything about elwesii Peter Try or maybe Peter Fry?
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I think the first time I heard of it was when you posted a picture last year Mark ( http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5090.msg141765;topicseen#msg141765 )
I do like it a lot - it's got that 'Pat Mason' chunkiness that appeals to me. 8)
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It would be nice to see some wider shots of how everyone grows their plants, garden, frame, glasshouse etc
few pics of various beds at work where I've been trying to establish new plantings, the raised beds is a new project but is taking much longer to complete than I planned, it's mainly a nursery area for twin scales to be planted and stock to swap/sell instead of having to raid clumps in the borders.
Bank under the Apples is doing very well, the Cornus/Artichoke bed is very new, most went in last year, border under the Roses & wall (netting is to keep chickens off the mulch >:() was first planted about 3 years ago and most are thriving, am slowly planting more varieties around the garden in amongst the masses but the walled garden is the priority.
have no "garden" at home, more a big mess... home to lots of birds, badgers, bunnies and occasional deer.
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I see what you meant about the apple bed being a happy home for the 'drops, they're looking good..... makes you wonder why you put all the effort in other bits, doesn't it?
I expect that having the raised beds fro growing on/ splitting clumps will make it much easier to get a stock to sell with maximum grwoth on bulbs and least disturbance to main plantings. Again, a lot of work but it'll pay off in the end.
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I see what you meant about the apple bed being a happy home for the 'drops, they're looking good..... makes you wonder why you put all the effort in other bits, doesn't it?
it really does, the soil is terrible but everything that has gone in so far has probably increased faster than anywhere else, I did try and lift a few last year but the soil is so bad they're almost impossible to split without resorting to removing a huge lump of clay & washing off clumps slowly with a hose.
last year the whole lot got splattered with mud from rain dripping off the trees so has had a good layer of mulch this year.
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As you saw John it's the same photo as last year. With more people coming on board maybe someone knows.
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I think the snowdrops fit in most naturally under trees, so the apple beds do look just right.
I see what you mean about the amount of mulching you've been doing, hard work , making the mulch as well as spreading it, but it does contrast well with the white of the snowdrops. :)
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JohnF - Loved your Wedding Dress photo in the latest Yearbook. My there are some good ones in this issue.
johnw
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I went into the garden today with my camera but the snowdrops are hardly up and what are were closed. It was so windy here today - I can take most weather conditions but loathe wind. I ended up tidying pots of daylilies which was not a good choice of job in the wind - lots of dry foliage blowing around like tumbleweed :)
Wim, I love the snowdrop Marijke. I like them big and l have a thing for long pedicels - it has both. Really lovely, cannot wait for it to be available to buy.
Richard, those mulched borders look lovely. I love to see a freshly mulched border and it makes me want to go and do mine. Pity it disappears so fast.
I have added the link to my blog beneath my name. It is mostly about the daylilies I imported from the USA but I also post general garden photos and things of interest. I was aiming to write an article about snowdrops as I have many readers from the USA and Canada that are intrigued with the different varieties and have urged me to write about them. I will be nervous now with all you experts looking ???
That was a very honest email from David Ward at Beth Chatto's and puts an end to the mystery of the real G Beth Chatto. When mine arrives from Harvey's I will just label as 'Beth Chatto seedling' - but who knows - I may get the real thing, but doubt it. Like everyone else I just want a snowdrop in my garden to remind me of her and her beautiful gardens. I bet David Ward will make it his mission now to find the original and propagate it.
Jennie
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some very appealing eye candy in your blog.
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I have misplaced the label from this elwesii can any one of you sharp eyed experts suggest what its name might be please?
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Did you have Zwanenberg?
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Did you have Zwanenberg?
Thanks Mark but this is not one I remember buying. Though I don't always remember and have sometimes bought a plant twice ::)
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JohnF - Loved your Wedding Dress photo in the latest Yearbook. My there are some good ones in this issue.
johnw
Thanks John - a lucky camera click at the Dunblane show last year. I agree about this year 'yearbook' being one of the best. Well done to Chris Sanham for doing a grand job of pulling the snowdrop section all together. 8)
I noticed on page 51 of the 'Galanthomania' book a photograph of three men taking photos of a snowdrop on a window sill outside a building. The scene looked so familiar to me - I have a feeling I may have been walking past as this picture was taken - I don't suppose anyone recognises if this is outside the Dunblane Hall?
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About Galanthus 'Marijke'; indeed in the excitement I choose the wrong town name, it is Heemstede near Haarlem. Website address is www.pcnijssen.nl
Best wishes from Holland,
Wim
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A single flower bud which will, hopefully, continue to open and then bulk up over coming years.
Paddy
Galanthus 'Rosemary Burnham'
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JohnF - Loved your Wedding Dress photo in the latest Yearbook. My there are some good ones in this issue.
johnw
Trying to picture John F in a wedding dress ;D
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JohnF - Loved your Wedding Dress photo in the latest Yearbook. My there are some good ones in this issue.
johnw
Trying to picture John F in a wedding dress ;D
Would that be a camouflage material?
;D ;D ;D
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Roma,
I think John would look very fetching in a weeding dress.
Paddy
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JohnF - Loved your Wedding Dress photo in the latest Yearbook. My there are some good ones in this issue.
johnw
I agree about this year 'yearbook' being one of the best. Well done to Chris Sanham for doing a grand job of pulling the snowdrop section all together. 8)
John and all:
My Yearbook arrived at noon yesterday and when I made the above comment on the pix I just had time to glance through the photos over lunch. Last night I sat down with this exciting yearbook. However my excitement was soon dashed as I read that the sensational G. 'Angelina' was stolen during an event at Orlicher last year. I had to close the book and haven't been able to go back to it since. Extremely depressing to think anyone would commit such a despicable act.
johnw :'( :'( :'(
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Paddy - Good to see you have yet another Canadian revelling in your garden.
johnw
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John,
I am really delighted that 'Rosemary Burnham' has come up and will flower this year. It has the reputation of being somewhat difficult in gardens and I would have been upset to have lost it. Hopefully, it will continue to do well over coming years.
Paddy
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JohnW,
I meant to agree with your comment re G. 'Angelina'. It really is terrible that people would do such a thing.
And what do you think of 'Rosemary Burnham'? Looks promising.
Paddy
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Was it the entire stock of 'Angelina' that was stolen? Sorry, I haven't sent off for this year's yearbook yet. Can anyone remind me of the address to send to and how much it is with P&P. I lost the slip that came with Ron Mackenzie's catalogue.
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Was it the entire stock of 'Angelina' that was stolen? Sorry, I haven't sent off for this year's yearbook yet. Can anyone remind me of the address to send to and how much it is with P&P. I lost the slip that came with Ron Mackenzie's catalogue.
Martin - Here's the contact you wanted.
RHS Daffodil, Snowdrop & Tulip Yearbook
Gibson John
14 Waverley Road
Kettering Northants NN15 6NT
England
I don't know if the entire stock of Angelina was stolen but I'd bet it was the entire - glorious - clump as shown in the Yearbook.
johnw
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No, not the entire stock was stolen. A good gardener should have two different stocks and so GW did it too.
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JohnW,
And what do you think of 'Rosemary Burnham'? Looks promising.
Paddy
It certainly does Paddy. We can thank Rosemary Burnham and Don Armstrong for saving that one by a hair.
johnw
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No, not the entire stock was stolen. A good gardener should have two different stocks and so GW did it too.
That's a bit of good news Hagen. Maybe I can return to the Yearbook now and look at Angelina without so much gloom.
johnw
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John, just another good news. Last year we could buy some ANGELINA from original Kroatia. Now I have one bulb too.
So I will be able to compare ANGELINA with some other good new Galanthus this season, like FEDERSCHWINGEN, HUGH MACKENZIE, FEDERKLEID, AUGENWEIDE, SCHORBUSER ABRÄUMER and a few more.
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Good to know that Angelina was not totally lost, I look forward to seeing it for sale.
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Today I went to Nijssen and bought some galanthus Marijke.They are still in bud but looking great.
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John, just another good news. Last year we could buy some ANGELINA from original Kroatia. Now I have one bulb too.
So I will be able to compare ANGELINA with some other good new Galanthus this season, like FEDERSCHWINGEN, HUGH MACKENZIE, FEDERKLEID, AUGENWEIDE, SCHORBUSER ABRÄUMER and a few more.
Obviously I was born on the wrong side of the Atlantic! Any chance we could join the EU?
johnw
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Good to know that Angelina was not totally lost, I look forward to seeing it for sale.
Brian, surely you look forward to seeing it for swapping more. ;)
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Today I went to Nijssen and bought some galanthus Marijke.They are still in bud but looking great.
Loes, we look forward to photographs in due course. Paddy
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A couple from today:
Millhouse
nivalis Viridipice
plicatus seedlings in trough
causcasicus ex P&M 1995 shoots, anyone care to give a correct new species name?
Hill Poe just starting to open today, photo later.
johnw
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Good to know that Angelina was not totally lost, I look forward to seeing it for sale.
Brian, surely you look forward to seeing it for swapping more. ;)
Chance would be a fine thing ;D
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This is my group of green tipped woronowii. How excited I was when I bought and brought home and planted about 10 green tipped woronowii. The next year the green tips were gone :'(
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Lovely photos on the forum again today. John - what a lovely trough of plicatus seedlings - are they inside?
I managed to get a couple of photos today but nothing special. One of my borders will look glorious soon - it is packed with drifts of snowdrops and my own Hellebore crosses. One cross is H torquatus x atrorubens and the foliage is beautiful with quite small flowers which are dark pink outside with very green insides. I have a whole drift of them and they are bulking up nicely interplanted with G Cedric's Prolific.
The photos below are:
1. G nivalis CHARLOTTE bought at Wisley last week - it is very small
2. G Fenstead End which I really like - it is a large flower and quite tall
3. A patch of G woronowii just emerging
4. G nivalis Viridapicis bulking up at the speed of light - it loves it here and I intend to spread it around further back in the borders and keep my treasures for nearer the front.
5. My net polytunnel full to the rafters with potted bulbs, new snowdrops, Penstemons and rare daylilies.
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Is that this years acquisitions?
Jennie look how advanced my woronowii are
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Mark - I have to admit Yes they are this years acquisitions :) I have a very big garden and it is difficult to make an impact - well that's my excuse.
Snowdrops are eating away at my savings much faster than the daylilies did and I thought that addiction was bad.
Yes my woronowii are way behind yours. Where I live we are 700ft above sea level and everything flowers much later.
Jennie
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Yes my woronowii are way behind yours. Where I live we are 700ft above sea level and everything flowers much later.
Jennie[/quote]
Hi Jenny , my woronowii are about the same as yours, just about showing in my garden.
Another few pics from our gardens
Diggory
gracilis
Wendys Gold
ccc 4p
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Opps sorry pictures in wrong order.
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This is my group of green tipped woronowii. How excited I was when I bought and brought home and planted about 10 green tipped woronowii. The next year the green tips were gone :'(
Hey Mark, I just bought a green tipped woronowii and a 5 petalled one from Rosemoor, both labelled as elwesii, they had a whole batch that were mislabelled :-\ Its amazing how often snowdrops are mislabelled.
I expect these will revert like yours. The 5 petalled one looks a bit fasciated, or like Mrs Thompson.
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You are not allowed to go back until I get there! ;D
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Is that this years acquisitions?
BTW only the snowdrops are new this year and the potted bulbs! I am not that bad ....yet
Jennie
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Snowdrops are eating away at my savings.....
Now that seems familiar, and I'm going to a snowdrop sale tomorrow afternoon at Blacksmiths Cottage Nursery :-[
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Cheryl - you are lucky to have a little clump of Diggory, I think my single bulb has perished and I was so looking forward to that one.
This is not a snowdrop but is a very worthy little woodland bulb that you will all know - Narcissus Cedric Morris. I started with a single bulb many years ago and have been patiently splitting it and spreading around for years....just incase of narcissus fly. I now have a few nice colonies in three locations.
It is quite late this year - in milder winters I always had one in flower for Christmas day.
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Snowdrops are eating away at my savings.....
Now that seems familiar, and I'm going to a snowdrop sale tomorrow afternoon at Blacksmiths Cottage Nursery :-[
Lucky you - I bought some very fair priced excellent quality bulbs from them on ebay this year as Buy it Nows.
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A smart looking clump of Diggory there Cheryl!
johnw
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Jennie - Yes the plicatus seedlings are in the greenhouse. They'd be not so stretched if it were colder inside, even with the thermostat set at 4c when the sun comes out the temp rockets up to the high teens or 20's. At this time of year it is too cold outdoors to vent properly, a change of wind direction and you have -5c or worse blowing in. I considered gas or wax powered vents but have seen them fail constantly at a greenhouse I tend. In fact last week even the electric vent louvres were wide open and -11c outside, just caught it in the nick of time, some computer glitch in the main computer - pistons disonnected but motors are still running. ???
johnw
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Lucky you - I bought some very fair priced excellent quality bulbs from them on ebay this year as Buy it Nows.
Ah, but Jennie a little bird tells me that, at this very moment you are visiting a wonderful snowdrop collection 8) ;D 8)
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Brian, I was just wondering about the Blacksmiths Cottage Nursery sale today; do you know who will be there?
Edit: Oops looks like I just missed him!
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Joy Cozens again
still looking orange,color on the photo`s is difficult to get right.clearly visible in the garden,I like it!
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Loes a pale grey card behind the snowdrops would help your camera see the snowdrops
So much for someone says it was sick with stagonospora
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I`ll try that Mark
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Loes your pics are a real good information about the color of JOY COZENS. I never saw the original and no good pic.
But here I can see orange and have not to think orange.
Do you go to DE BOSCHHOEVE? Then we can have a talk together.
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While I understand Loes is trying to show the colour of the orange snowdrop as best she can, I remind you all that generally we prefer photos that are around 760 pixels wide for forum viewing. Thanks! :)
Edit: Loes has kindly resized her photos!
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better now Maggi?
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Hagen,
no I am not going to de Boschhoeve,I`m going to Kalmthout in Belgium
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better now Maggi?
Super, Loes! :-* :-*
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Galanthus 'Atkinsii' with a extra petal.
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If the extra petals were stable it would point to being James Backhouse but as I havent grown it I dont know how table it is
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Surely 'Godfrey Owen' is not named for NZ's famous (now retired) World Champion sheep shearer?
I must have misread or been particularly anal on that day because of course NZ's champion shearer was Godfrey Bowen. ::)
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If the extra petals were stable it would point to being James Backhouse but as I havent grown it I dont know how table it is
Didn't "James Backhouse" used to be called "Atkinsii" until quite recently? Then a distinction was drawn between the "well-behaved" ones and the ones that frequently throw out extra petals and the latter reclassified as "James Backhouse". If I'm right there are probably many "James Backhouse" that still bear the label "Atkinsii".
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Frankie, the first year my 'James Backhouse' behaved like that, the next year there were all sorts of aberrations.
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Think I'll chuck my twopennorth in, here are some of mine. I have to say that all names are questionable as I decided to follow the mesh basket trend last summer. I had all the bulbs set out in groups on a table I use for re-potting, stepped back wards, forgot the table was there, and the bulbs, closely followed by me finished up in a heap on the lawn. I think I re-sorted them properly but can't be sure so some advice as to correctness or not would be greatly appreciated.
Sorry that the focus on a couple of shots is nothing to shout about. Today has not been my day!
These are I think:-
Magnet (2 shots)
Ginns Imperati (2 shots)
Augustus (1 shot)
Comet (1 shot)
Here goes my first post after a year of reading silently:
'Ginn's Imperati' has one distinctive, if not unique, character: it smells of bitter almonds, as "the book" says. I was able to use this to sort out 'G.I.' from a friend's garden two years ago when she moved and invited some of us in with shovels. At the base of a steep slope we found galanthus labels belonging to plants UP the slope. Each clump was dug and potted, the names on the labels noted.
When in bloom I compared all to the book and sniffed, finding the Ginn, so to speak. Of the 70 or so species and cultivars I have none save one have this fragrance - and the one that does has it very weakly, nor looks anything like 'G.I.'
Others did not match the adventurous labels, so I hope to post some pictures of them. They are beautiful, key out to none in "Snowdrops", but seem unique in their own ways.
Have fun at your Events. We had our first in Seattle/Bellevue last year (2010) which was a great success.
Off topic - If there are any other members in the US who'd like to work together for swapping 'drops on this side of the pond, please contact me. (Would that be by what you all call PM? - private mail?)
Jim in Bellevue, WA.
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Nothing like quoting one's self to add authority to what one says! Sorry about that.
Jim
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Jim, welcome to the forum :)
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(Would that be by what you all call PM? - private mail?)
Jim in Bellevue, WA.
Welcome Jim - looking forward to your posts.
I always think of PM as 'Personal Message' - but I like 'Private Mail' too. 8)
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Hi Jim, welcome to the forum. If you make a mistake when posting, as I do quite frequently, it is possible to change things by using the Modify option (which only appears for the posts you have made). Your problem is probably that you don't have an [/QUOTE] at the end of the bit that you want to quote. If you experiment a bit using the Preview option you can see what the post will look like before you click Post.
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Thanks Alan for that info, I keep wondering how everyone seems to be able to just use little bits from what people say ???
I was brought up with ' don't keep pushing those buttons, you might break it ' :) Sorry Mum.
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Have fun at your Events. We had our first in Seattle/Bellevue last year (2010) which was a great success.
Welcome Jim I look forward to seeing your posts.
...and I hope Kentgardener does a travelogue of his trips round the country as he did a few years ago..nudge, nudge :D :D
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...and I hope Kentgardener does a travelogue of his trips round the country as he did a few years ago..mudge, nudge
Since he has managed to beat his computer back into submission after a spell of it rejecting his forum access we can keep our fingers crossed for a 'drop blog.... 8)
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I'm not "galanthophyle", but few I'm growing. The first flower this spring is G. alpinus.
Janis
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Janis spring must be on its way.
Here is a Galanthus elwesii flowering with two petals.I expect it will be back to three next year but I have marked it just in case.
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...and I hope Kentgardener does a travelogue of his trips round the country as he did a few years ago..mudge, nudge
Since he has managed to beat his computer back into submission after a spell of it rejecting his forum access we can keep our fingers crossed for a 'drop blog.... 8)
Yes, managed to get back in after the forum threw me out yesterday and refused to let me back in even with Maggi giving it a slap a few times. I will see what I can do along the lines of a Galanthus travelogue as in previous years. ;)
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Are you taking Ali along with you again this year John?
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Ali is now a hopeless case Chas - after I introduced her to the wonderful world of snowdrops a couple of years ago, and her being wowed by Jane and Rod Leeds wonderful garden last year, I find that she took herself off to Harveys on Saturday and purchased yet another drop. :)
She is coming down to Kent on the only free weekend day I have this month for another fix of them. 8)
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A CD of snowdrop photos is on its way to me so you will have to wait until next Tuesday to see whats on it. One image is hopefully yellow.
Do you think I can teach my 80 year old mother to start the computer, edit the photos and post them here?
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Do you think I can teach my 80 year old mother to start the computer, edit the photos and post them here?
I've taught my 80 year old mother to take digital photos, edit them, and email them to friends so you should give it a go Mark. ;D
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my almost 80 years old mother is hopeless with the coputer(I know were I`ve got it from).
we live nearby and regret introducing her with computers.almost daily trouble.
so you are being warned! ;)
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Do you think I can teach my 80 year old mother to start the computer, edit the photos and post them here?
I've taught my 80 year old mother to take digital photos, edit them, and email them to friends so you should give it a go Mark. ;D
And the amazing Alice Sommer-Herz who, last November, turned 107 in London, she has a Facebook account and is on youtube. Barely looks 70, has all her marbles including many extra, practices Bach every morning and until recently swam laps daily. Countless interviews with her and she never misses a beat.
http://www.allegrofilms.com/film/Alice_Sommer_Herz_EVERYTHING_IS_A_PRESENT_Alice_Sommer_Herz_music_documentary.php (http://www.allegrofilms.com/film/Alice_Sommer_Herz_EVERYTHING_IS_A_PRESENT_Alice_Sommer_Herz_music_documentary.php)
The above DVD is included in a much longer version "We Want the Light".
Careful John, your mother may join the union if she sees this.
johnw
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Spring is on the way to my garden in Vienna. Last week we had 20 cm snow and -9° C.
Galanthus elwesii
Galanthus nivalis
Galanthus plicatus Colossus
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Franz,
Your weather must change remarkably quickly as you went from -9C to having your snowdrops in flower.
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wind finally dropped this pm, not before several tall varieties have been almost flattened, few pics taken after a shower. Better forecast tomorrow, will get some shots of the masses.
Elmley Lovett, took a long time to settle in.
Blewbury Tart
Mighty Atom
Daphne's Scissors, another I've struggled with but looking happier.
Wendy's Gold, most flowers I've seen this year on 3 small clumps.
Little John
Magnet
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And the amazing Alice Sommer-Herz who, last November, turned 107 in London, she has a Facebook account and is on youtube. Barely looks 70, has all her marbles including many extra, practices Bach every morning and until recently swam laps daily. Countless interviews with her and she never misses a beat.
http://www.allegrofilms.com/film/Alice_Sommer_Herz_EVERYTHING_IS_A_PRESENT_Alice_Sommer_Herz_music_documentary.php (http://www.allegrofilms.com/film/Alice_Sommer_Herz_EVERYTHING_IS_A_PRESENT_Alice_Sommer_Herz_music_documentary.php)
The above DVD is included in a much longer version "We Want the Light".
johnw
John
I didn't know of this lady until your post, and found the video quite riveting.
Some years ago I visited Theresienstadt where she was imprisoned - snowdrops grow there so this post isn't entirely irrelevant - and was astonishingly fortunate when visiting nearby Lidice to bump into one of the eleven village women who returned alive from the camps after the war. For me the rebirth of the village of Lidice post-1945 mirrors the arrival of snowdrops to signal the end of winter.
As my six year old grandson said when invited to continue eating his tea instead of coming to the door to see us off, "people matter more than tea."
Thanks so much for the post. I'll try and locate the DVD you mentioned.
Steve
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And the amazing Alice Sommer-Herz who, last November, turned 107 in London, she has a Facebook account and is on youtube. Barely looks 70, has all her marbles including many extra, practices Bach every morning and until recently swam laps daily. Countless interviews with her and she never misses a beat.
http://www.allegrofilms.com/film/Alice_Sommer_Herz_EVERYTHING_IS_A_PRESENT_Alice_Sommer_Herz_music_documentary.php (http://www.allegrofilms.com/film/Alice_Sommer_Herz_EVERYTHING_IS_A_PRESENT_Alice_Sommer_Herz_music_documentary.php)
johnw
A truly inspirational and wonderful woman.
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A truly inspirational and wonderful woman.
Indeed Maggi, she is a gem. How many are left that can boast being a pupil of a pupil of Franz Liszt!
Steve - How interesting. I have a friend who has researched Terezien and even helped stage works from there locally. A fitting analogy with the snowdrops. You will enjoy "We Want the Light", while inspiring it is deeply disturbing. Also check out her 107th on youtube.
johnw
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Do you think I can teach my 80 year old mother to start the computer, edit the photos and post them here?
Depends entirely on whether she wants to be taught. It's amazing what one can avoid if determined to do so. :D
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I was asked about the history of Galanthus 'Marijke', I'll have a go:
Included you find the (slightly updated) text I used to register the cultivar with the Royal Bulb Growers Association (www.KAVB.nl (http://www.KAVB.nl)) in Holland who is ICRA and Registrar for Galanthus.
I had only grown the bulbs in a large pot as I have a tiny garden at home. When I visited Hanneke & George, George told me he had named a finding of his own as Galanthus 'Hanneke', very obvious why, and sold one at the Boschhoeve too. Knowing I had my finding for a couple of years I responded directly with something like; "well, then I name my finding after Marijke", being sister of Hanneke.
The bulbs have been grown very well in the large pot and being stable for these 4 years I was quite happy to name it. Despite the DUS question I think it is important that a new introduction should also be availabel too. Thus I contacted Nijssen. Gert-Pieter, owner, was quite excited and so I sent (about) all bulbs I had to him in march 2009 when the leaves were died away. I had around 30 adult bulbs, which were big, and at least twice that number in smaller bulbs and bulbils. So, not bad after 4 years in a pot. I kept 3 bulbs; 1 for Marijke, 1 for Hanneke and 1 for Annie who has the National Galanthus Collection in Holland.
I requested Nijssen that his nursery/supplier in France should make bulbs available very quickly and that is why Nijssen had a few bulbs on sale since last Friday. As for today, Monday, all are sold now. There will be some more available for sale this autumn, as Gert-Pieter emailed me today.
For those who are more into the nomenclature; the name Marijke has been trademarked for catagory 31 but the Registrar still accepted the cultivarname 'Marijke', still very pleased about that.
Best wishes from Holland,
Wim
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Please forgive me my ignorance in this matter (and my dirty fingers), but can anybody tell the name of this snowdrop that flowers abundantly in the woods of Holt, Norfolk?
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Despite the DUS question I
Wim S..... sorry, I do not understand this... what is DUS, please?
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can anybody tell the name of this snowdrop that flowers abundantly in the woods of Holt, Norfolk?
My guess in simple the double nivalis.
Nothing worse than dirty fingers in photos especially those in desperate need for moisturer ;D
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Wim,
glad to read about the history of 'Marijke'.the plants are looking very healthy and are almost in flower.
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can anybody tell the name of this snowdrop that flowers abundantly in the woods of Holt, Norfolk?
It's what I grow as Galanthus nivalis 'Flore Pleno' or, as Mark says, simply the double form of G. nivalis.
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can anybody tell the name of this snowdrop that flowers abundantly in the woods of Holt, Norfolk?
My guess in simple the double nivalis.
Nothing worse than dirty fingers in photos especially those in desperate need for moisturer ;D
The very worst in photos is actually Easter-sun barbecued faces lacking every kind of grease ;D :o
I thought so really, that it was nothing special. But nice to see anyway, here the snowdrops have barely started to open.
By the way, I visited Kew Gardens when in London and there I saw some nameless snowdrops with very big flowers - the biggest I have ever seen. What's the name of such a giant or are there more than one kind? (Sorry, no photos.)
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there are quite a few big snowdrops, eg Mighty Atom, John Gray, without photos not possible to name.
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there are quite a few big snowdrops, eg Mighty Atom, John Gray, without photos not possible to name.
Thanks, the specific name don't matter really, I only want to know what names to look for when I buy more snowdrops to plant in the garden!
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Hoy are you in Englnd now?
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'Fred's Giant ' is a very large and muscular snowdrop... be a bit early for it to be out, though, even at Kew, I'd have thought.
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if you want a good large snowdrop, Mighty Atom is hard to beat in my opinion, is huge, if you're ever near me call in and I'll give you a few to get you started, it grows like a weed here ;)
John Gray is also very nice and widely available.
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'Fred's Giant' is in flower here, Maggi, in our Mediterranean climate.
Other large-flowered snowdrops that come to mind and in flower at the moment are 'E.B. Anderson', 'Colossus' and 'Mighty Atom'
Paddy
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Hoy are you in Englnd now?
No, arrived home yesterday evening :'( :D
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if you want a good large snowdrop, Mighty Atom is hard to beat in my opinion, is huge, if you're ever near me call in and I'll give you a few to get you started, it grows like a weed here ;)
John Gray is also very nice and widely available.
Thanks John, maybe I pop up one day ;D
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'Fred's Giant' is in flower here, Maggi, in our Mediterranean climate.
Paddy
Goodness me, fancy that! Barely out of the ground here.
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That's me now for a week. Lesley now has a chance to get well ahead of me ;D
Looking forward to meeting members and lurkers at the Garden House and the Gala.
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'Fred's Giant' is in flower here, Maggi, in our Mediterranean climate.
Paddy
Goodness me, fancy that! Barely out of the ground here.
Of course, I warm it with my breath every evening.
Paddy
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... can anybody tell the name of this snowdrop that flowers abundantly in the woods of Holt, Norfolk?
As Mark says, it looks like the double form of galanthus nivalis. This is very common indeed in the UK. I would guess that there are probably 1,000,000 of these for 1 of all other forms of double snowdrop so it would be very very surprising if it were anything else and growing in abundance.
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'Fred's Giant ' is a very large and muscular snowdrop... be a bit early for it to be out, though, even at Kew, I'd have thought.
Not at all Maggi. In flower here so should be in Kew.
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Also here as well,although taking a battering from the winds
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Shall I stop posting for a week Mark? ;D
PM on the way to you. No hurry.
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Franz - Thanks for bringing us down to earth. Your simple elwesii and nivalis are magnificent.
johnw
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Thanks everyone for the greetings. And thanks, too, Alan, for the "preview" button suggestion. I just need to stop reading the preview then try to correct something while in preview by hitting delete!
The two photos show the same mystery galanthus rescued from a friend's garden. She collected eclectically, and the month before her move all her plant records were destroyed on her computer. No back up or paper copies (a reminder to all of us!).
It keys out to G. elwesii, stands about 9" tall, and is in prime bloom now - late Jan/early Feb. Perhaps a bit earlier in the ground. (In the old garden the very wide leaves were nearly all the way up by mid-late December.)
The full deep green inner marking and the way the spathe rises above to mimic the arch of the pedicle makes it very elegant. Its lean comes from being next to a potted sarcococca. (My entire garden is a 7' x 10' (2.2m x 3m?) concrete patio, facing north, with nearly 400 pots on it.)
Surely it must have a name - but, not so secretly now, I hope it doesn't. Any ideas of who it might be - or not?
Thanks,
Jim
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Sorry about the missing photo. Here it is.
Just enough tech savvy and experience to be a menace to myself and others!
Jim
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Does anyone know if Warley Duo produces viable seed? I sowed some last summer but none have appeared. As I recall the seed was very poor looking. Daglington seed sown at the same time is up.
johnw
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Maggi,
The DUS question is used by breeders, introducers, PBR offices, etc, and stands for : A new introductions should be Distinct, Uniform and Stable.
Regards,
Wim
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Does anyone know if Warley Duo produces viable seed? I sowed some last summer but none have appeared. As I recall the seed was very poor looking. Daglington seed sown at the same time is up.
johnw
John, I've had seed from Warley Duo, crossed with two or three other snowdrops, germinate okay. This year, however, I'm getting poor germination in quite a few pots of snowdrop seed. Some years it just happens like that for me...everything seems fine; sound-looking seed, sown fresh, kept moist, long cold spells and even some light freezing to vernalize the seed, and...nothing! When this happens, I usually find there's no germination the next year either, just total failure. Frustrating but just part of the many frustrations of this breeding business :(
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Goodness me - I go away for a few hours and have 6 pages of posts to catch up on!
I thought you might like to know that after all my problems last year on ebay, that thanks to a VERY kind person I now have Ailwyn, and what a cracker she is too.
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thanks to a VERY kind person I now have Ailwyn
The devil in me says that you are mistaken Anne, you have a 'Lady Fairhaven' (which of course does not exist - see previous discussions), speaking to Mike Broadhurst on Sunday he pointed out that all the 'Ailwyn' he had for sale were marked like yours this year, as sometimes happens - should he have charged more? OK discussion closed.
I would like to say, however, how generous people on our forum are. Your 'Ailwyn/Lady Fairhaven' being a case in point. A beautiful snowdrop whichever way you look at it, and I am pleased someone was kind enough to rectify all your problems with it. Enjoy it.
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Flippin' eck! ::)
I now name this flower Lady Ailwyn Fairhaven, God bless her and all who propagate from her. :-\
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Maggi,
The DUS question is used by breeders, introducers, PBR offices, etc, and stands for : A new introductions should be Distinct, Uniform and Stable.
Regards,
Wim
Thank you, Wim.... .now I understand! :)
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Sorry about the missing photo. Here it is.
Just enough tech savvy and experience to be a menace to myself and others!
Jim
Super photos Jim. I have resized them for you to the "preferred" forum dimensions... that is 760 pixels wide. ;)
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Brian, would you expect Ailwyn to produce a flowerless scape the year after planting it?
I bought one from Mike Broadhurst last year & it looks healthy this year but as I said flowerless.
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Dreary, rainy morning here today, but I took some shots before leaving for work and not returning before dark...
You can see how I grow my snowdrops: in a matrix of ivy, vinca and perennials, that will show up later in the year.
'Lady Beatrix Stanley' intermingles with Helleborus niger 'Sunset'.
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Hi Jim
Nice looking snowdrop. But, alas, I think it would have to remane nameless - but pretty all the same 8). Once the label and memory of what it may be is lost completely it is really too risky to then allocate a name to it. Best to enjoy it as "ex friends garden" which in itself is a nice name. :) As long as it is read as "ex", "Friends Garden" rather than "ex Friends", "Garden"! ;D
I've got a few ex's here that I like very much.... ;)
Thomas, Lady B is such a lovely drop. Still up there in my top 100.
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glorious here today, some shots of the masses after a chilly start.
and..
Diggory
A find - tall plant with long pedicel
our version of grumpy.
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Since Maggi took me to task for making exactly the same mistake, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_Fairhaven (and maybe also http://www.babynamer.com/ailwyn) regarding the sex of Ailwyn. I pleaded insanity by virtue of "White Fever" and got let off with a caution.
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glorious here today, some shots of the masses after a chilly start.
and..
Diggory
A find - tall plant with long pedicel
our version of grumpy.
I like your version of Grumpy. Think tho' it looks more sad - should be called 'MISERY'. :( :'( :(
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glorious here today, some shots of the masses after a chilly start.
and..
Diggory
A find - tall plant with long pedicel
our version of grumpy.
I like your version of Grumpy. Think tho' it looks more sad - should be called 'MISERY'. :( :'( :(
it looks bloody ANGRY to me - I wouldn't want to meet it in a dark alley.
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Since Maggi took me to task for making exactly the same mistake, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_Fairhaven (and maybe also http://www.babynamer.com/ailwyn) regarding the sex of Ailwyn. I pleaded insanity by virtue of "White Fever" and got let off with a caution.
;D ;)
Gender is a tricky thing... especially with names that are not terribly specific. My Mother used
to get very annoyed when she answered the phone in her rather nice (contralto) voice to be taken for my Father..... :-X :-\
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glorious here today, some shots of the masses after a chilly start.
Amazingly cheering to see how fast they come out, Richard.
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It is such a nice afternoon I found myself leaving London early and getting a couple of hours in the garden - I will regret this day come the end of the year when I have no time off left! But 'for the moment' I am as happy as Larry (or "a sandboy", or "a clam" depending on where you are reading this ;D). A few pictures of things that have attracted my attention here in the last hour.
1 - 'Margery Fish'
2 - 'Walter Fish'
3 - 'Washfield Colesbourne'
4 - 'Colesbourne seedling' (from the same stable and looking to be a better plant than the original).
5 - 'Ballerina' a lovely little double from Phil Cornish
6 - plicatus Byzantanus just starting to puff itself up to full glory - another week and should be stunning as always.
7 - 'All Saints'
8 - 'Alans Treat' - I think this is in my top ten this year (my top ten changes every year! ::))
9 - 'Pat Mason' - she has been in my top ten for three years running now. 8)
10 - 'Trumps' - performing well once again
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And a couple more pictures.
1 - Last year I was moaning about my 'John Gray' going floppy in the garden and it was suggested I plant them in a trough or raised bed in a sunnier spot. Well here they are just starting to flower in their new position (outside my front door as that is the only place here to actually get any sun between November and April :'( ) - time will tell if they have got a reprieve or whether they are banished from my garden forever.....
2 - as one of my neighbours cats managed to sneak into the last picture I thought I would let another neighbours cat get a look in too! They know that I have cat munchies for them whenever they visit! ::) ;D
3 - 'John Gray'
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You have some lovely snowdrops John. Pat Mason is beautiful & I like Alan's Treat. The Colesbourne seedling is also lovely.
Wish I could be in my garden right now with sun shining........... :(
Mike
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Some wonderful photos again John.
I love the cat with the two different eye colours, very Bowie like.
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A lovely selection, John, and I agree with you re 'Alan's Treat'; it certainly deserves a place in your top ten, a lovely shape especially as well as the good markings.
Thomas, I love your informal, natural garden and planting, very pleasant and comfortable.
Paddy
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Brian, would you expect Ailwyn to produce a flowerless scape the year after planting it?
I bought one from Mike Broadhurst last year & it looks healthy this year but as I said flowerless.
Snowdrops are a complete mystery to me 8) Why would all those 'Ailwyn' appear with dots on them this year and not last? I would hope that you have perhaps a lot more foliage (as in number of leaves rather than size) and so it could be developing a new bulb. I would imagine in this case perhaps there is not enough strength in the bulb to do both as it has not yet settled in. This is all off the top of my head, I consider myself as much a beginner as anyone. My 'Rosemary Burnham' is a mass of leaves this year with no sign of a flower so hopefully next year I will have two or three flowers on it. I know I haven't directly answered your question, but I think this may be a possibility.
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Brian, would you expect Ailwyn to produce a flowerless scape the year after planting it?
I bought one from Mike Broadhurst last year & it looks healthy this year but as I said flowerless.
Snowdrops are a complete mystery to me 8) Why would all those 'Ailwyn' appear with dots on them this year and not last? I would hope that you have perhaps a lot more foliage (as in number of leaves rather than size) and so it could be developing a new bulb. I would imagine in this case perhaps there is not enough strength in the bulb to do both as it has not yet settled in. This is all off the top of my head, I consider myself as much a beginner as anyone. My 'Rosemary Burnham' is a mass of leaves this year with no sign of a flower so hopefully next year I will have two or three flowers on it. I know I haven't directly answered your question, but I think this may be a possibility.
That's all very fine, Brian, but why has the cat two differently coloured eyes? Do you think she is carrying kittens? Will she settle down next year and will her eyes return to their normal colour? Is her name 'Ailwyn' and is "she" perhaps a boy? What could have caused the abnormality in his eye colour then?
Cats are a complete mystery to me.
By the way, one flower on 'Rosemary Burnham' here and signs of very small sideshoots, so new bulbs on the way. Wouldn't it be wonderful if it grew well and bulked up.
Paddy
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but why has the cat two differently coloured eyes? Do you think she is carrying kittens? Will she settle down next year and will her eyes return to their normal colour?
How bizarre that you should ask Paddy - yes she is indeed carrying kittens (and Bowie is a she cat!) ;D
(True. And her last litter produced a kitten with identical eyes to mum).
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Well, that explains it all - the name caused it all. We should be careful when applying names to snowdrops as it will effect their future performance.
Paddy
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I was going to say that the odd-eyed cat was probably deaf in one ear but fortunately googled it first and apparently this is a misconception;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odd-eyed_cat
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I was going to say that the odd-eyed cat was probably deaf in one ear but fortunately googled it first and apparently this is a misconception;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odd-eyed_cat
Or, perhaps, it has a short leg and tripped and hit the corner of a low table.
Paddy
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different colour eyes in dogs isn't that unusual, my Cocker Spaniel has brown/blue, often get asked if he's blind in one eye, never seen it in a cat!
Mighty Atom and Ketton in the sun this pm, despite being worried about the 20th a few weeks ago it now looks like it'll be bang on, just need a day like today!
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I just registered for your forum today. I am an American galanthophile in Bryn Mawr, PA, outside of Philadelphia. I am looking for anyone who has information as to whether snowdrops are thermogenic, i.e., produce their own heat. This statement is often made, but I am wondering if there is any scientific evidence for it.
I also have Galanthus 'Beth Chatto' that might pre-date the seedling problem. The marking and the prostrate nature of the leaves both match the bible and the Beth Chatto Gardens description earlier in the thread. I have a very good photo but can't figure out how to get it on here---sorry kind of computer illiterate.
Carolyn
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Carolyn, when you post a reply, click "additional options" this opens attach/choose file, click choose file and browse to the location where the image is on your computer, double click the photo, then post your message.
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Hi Carolyn,
Welcome to the forum. Good to hear you have G. 'Beth Chatto' and that it is as described. I think you may be one of the very few to have it.
I have never heard of galanthus being thermogenic.
Looking forward to further posts from you.
Paddy
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Just a few hours of sunshine and I was attracted by the first snowdrops here
1.+2. Galanthus elwesii
3. Galanthus plicatus
Gerd
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Your season is catching up on us, Gerd.
Good healthy snowdrops, looking well.
Paddy
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I just registered for your forum today. I am an American galanthophile in Bryn Mawr, PA, outside of Philadelphia. I am looking for anyone who has information as to whether snowdrops are thermogenic, i.e., produce their own heat. This statement is often made, but I am wondering if there is any scientific evidence for it.
I also have Galanthus 'Beth Chatto' that might pre-date the seedling problem. The marking and the prostrate nature of the leaves both match the bible and the Beth Chatto Gardens description earlier in the thread. I have a very good photo but can't figure out how to get it on here---sorry kind of computer illiterate.
Carolyn
A warm welcome to you Carolyn. I have heard this theory that galanthus may be thermogenic and I would not be surprised to learn that is correct, but I cannot say I know of any hard and fast research on the matter.
Pictures like this one of Galanthus elwesii from Franz Hadacek do rather add fuel to the theory by appearance, don't they?
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Nice sunshine today. Here a few from me
Galanthus sandersii Lowick
G Primrose warburg just beginning to open with some promise
G Rosemary Burnham just a wee one
G Modern Art (thanks Anne)
G South Hayes
G Mighty Atom a favourite
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Pictures like this one of Galanthus elwesii from Franz Hadacek do rather add fuel to the theory by appearance, don't they?
I'm not convinced. The ice crystals in snow are transparent so don't absorb the heat from the suns rays efficiently. Any coloured object sticking up through the snow will absorb sunlight and heat up faster than the snow surrounding it. Then the extra heat it radiates back will cause the surrounding snow to melt faster. I'm betting a plastic snowdrop would do the same as the real snowdrop in the picture. You would have to run the test in the dark to prove whether snowdrops are thermogenic.
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Lovely shots, Ian. Great to have some sunshine to open the flowers. Your two yellows look fabulous in the sun and 'Rosemary Burnham' is looking well.
Paddy
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Lovely shots, Ian. Great to have some sunshine to open the flowers. Your two yellows look fabulous in the sun and 'Rosemary Burnham' is looking well.
Paddy
Thanks Paddy its amazing how quickly they are all coming out now
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lovely clump of Primrose Warburg, am yellow with envy, wish it would grow for me :(
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Your season is catching up on us, Gerd.
Good healthy snowdrops, looking well.
Paddy
Thank you Paddy - they are in their first season in the new garden!
Gerd
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I was browsing on ebay last night and saw this snowdrop hat for a child.
It made me smile imagining galanthophiles roaming gardens or at the gala in one of these :) :)
I have photoshopped a couple for variation! Wish they were knitting instead of crochet - I would have made one.
Also a Victorian Snowdrop Mourning Locket for a mere £387
Jennie
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Maggi,
The DUS question is used by breeders, introducers, PBR offices, etc, and stands for : A new introductions should be Distinct, Uniform and Stable.
Regards,
Wim
And quite rightly so, but (in my opinion) the distinct part is often disregarded.
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Thank you, Richard. Here is my photo of 'Beth Chatto':
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I see what you are saying, Alan. However, there are plenty of other green plants under the snow, evergreen ferns for example, and the snow doesn't melt over them. In the following photos, the Galanthus elwesii is actually growing in evergreen Japanese holly fern (Crytomium), but the snow only melts where the snowdrops are blooming. The snow in question is deep, covered with ice, and blankets the entire garden.
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Love the hats Jennie. Emma T's dog could use one of those. ;D
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Interesting seedling flowering here for the first time. Trumps pic shown for comparison of the colours (thanks to the unknown owner of the Trumps pic - I don't think it's one of mine).
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Steve,
The white balance is different between the two photographs - compare the shades of white in both. I reckon the green is about the same in both, perhaps a little more towards olive green in the seedling.
Paddy
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different colour eyes in dogs isn't that unusual, my Cocker Spaniel has brown/blue, often get asked if he's blind in one eye, never seen it in a cat!
Richard
The Van cats all have eyes of different colour and they are highly prized. Even in Turkey there were case of catnapping.
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ah, never heard of van cats, the different eyes are very striking.
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white cats can have two different coloured eyes and that has nothing to do with hearing.also white cats do have sometimes hearing problems,all white cats should be tested for hearing (BEAR test) and if deaf on one or two ears must be excluded for breeding.those are the rules of every pedigree association.
(and yes,I am a breeder of pedigree cats)
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my mad hound ;D and a couple of the moat today.
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The Van cats all have eyes of different colour and they are highly prized. Even in Turkey there were case of catnapping.
Presumably you mean cats from the Lake Van area in Turkey Art? Perhaps they come from a common ancestor.
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Waiting impatiently for this seedling to flower. The seed parent was a good strong elwesii monostictus and the pollen parent was ikariae. The cross has taken because, although the seed was from an elwesii, the leaves are very green and ikariae-like, very broad and thick. Just hope it produces a good flower.
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I see what you are saying, Alan. However, there are plenty of other green plants under the snow, evergreen ferns for example, and the snow doesn't melt over them. In the following photos, the Galanthus elwesii is actually growing in evergreen Japanese holly fern (Crytomium), but the snow only melts where the snowdrops are blooming. The snow in question is deep, covered with ice, and blankets the entire garden.
I have to agree with Alan.
When you mention other plants under the snow they are not actively growing like the snowdrops are. They are designed to penetrate hard surfaces and as Alan says once this has occurred the surrounding area will retain more heat resulting in what you see in your photographs.
Saying that, once the snowdrop is above ground and flowering there could be microclimates inside the flower which can be a couple of degrees above the surrounding air temperature. I'm pretty sure this has been studied in Crocus and I can't see why it couldn't be possible in snowdrops too.
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A nice plicatus x gracilis seedling that I chipped about three years ago and which somehow missed being chipped again in the mass chipping exercise I undertook last summer to bulk up good seedlings.
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Having had a busy day just getting caught up on the forum, some lovely photos, I particularly like your 'Beth Chatto' Carolyn, welcome to the forum, a lovely start ;D
Nice mark on your plicatus x gracilis seedling Martin, it looks to stand well in a clump.
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Nice mark on your plicatus x gracilis seedling Martin, it looks to stand well in a clump.
Yes, it has a strong scape that sands up nice and straight (though looking a bit dis-arranged in the photo as I'd just lifted the clump from the garden, bare-rooted it and potted it). Strong upright, weather-resistant scapes are something I'm always looking for in seedlings, as well as large, strong, dark marks (this one isn't especially dark, but nice enough).
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lovely clump of Primrose Warburg, am yellow with envy, wish it would grow for me :(
Hi Richard this plant seems to well in a raised bed that is well drained but never too moist.
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I see what you are saying, Alan. However, there are plenty of other green plants under the snow, evergreen ferns for example, and the snow doesn't melt over them. In the following photos, the Galanthus elwesii is actually growing in evergreen Japanese holly fern (Crytomium), but the snow only melts where the snowdrops are blooming. The snow in question is deep, covered with ice, and blankets the entire garden.
Carolyn
Welcome. Another good reason to plant snowdrops here. I reckon a couple of thousand would clear the yard of about 15cm of snow.
I have to say that the dwarf rhodos here always seem to wind up with no snow on the root system. I think Lysichiton & Symplocarpus melt the snow. Thy're certainly large enough to create a little microclimate. Do you agree Alan? BTW I have no idea how they might do that.
johnw
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John - beautiful photos. How did I miss Pat Mason? Love Margery Fish & Alan's Treat......and All Saints.....and Walter Fish...........and all of them.
Ian what lovely clump shots. I hope my yellows look like that one day. I have had sandersii for almost 12 years and it is still only 4 bulbs!!
I took a few photos today but my camera does not seem to like taking close ups of snowdrops. I swapped to bigger camera and that was even worse.
Here are a few of the more successful ones
1. A two year old planting of the easier to obtain varieties ie. Cedric's Prolific, Dionysus, Magnet, Atkinsii, James Backhouse etc with nivalis at the back. I still have Hellebores to flower in between very soon.
2. Fieldgate Prelude
3. Jessica held together with sellotape. It has been taped up for 2 weeks and I managed to see the flower - I was chuffed.
4. Jessica
5. Sentinel - lovely & big and tall
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Pictures like this one of Galanthus elwesii from Franz Hadacek do rather add fuel to the theory by appearance, don't they?
I'm not convinced. The ice crystals in snow are transparent so don't absorb the heat from the suns rays efficiently. Any coloured object sticking up through the snow will absorb sunlight and heat up faster than the snow surrounding it. Then the extra heat it radiates back will cause the surrounding snow to melt faster. I'm betting a plastic snowdrop would do the same as the real snowdrop in the picture. You would have to run the test in the dark to prove whether snowdrops are thermogenic.
I agree Alan.
But beyond this purely physical effect, active biochemistry (including in all growing plants) is inevitably exothermic because the chemical reactions involved are not perfectly efficient.
More intense thermogenesis by e.g. spadix tissue of aroids is due to partial uncoupling of mitochondria, so that efficiency of respiration is lowered in order to dissipate more energy as heat. This in turn must benefit the plant, e.g. by attracting pollinators directly or perhaps indirectly through increased volatilisation of scent molecules.
Whether galanthus do something similar is a fascinating question. Infra-red camera anyone?
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Just a few hours of sunshine and I was attracted by the first snowdrops here
1.+2. Galanthus elwesii
3. Galanthus plicatus
Gerd
Gerd - What marvellous shots of elwesii leaves! I think the best I've seen.
johnw
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white cats can have two different coloured eyes and that has nothing to do with hearing.also white cats do have sometimes hearing problems,all white cats should be tested for hearing (BEAR test) and if deaf on one or two ears must be excluded for breeding.those are the rules of every pedigree association.
(and yes,I am a breeder of pedigree cats)
My parents had a white cat and the vet said they are nearly always deaf or scatty - fortunately he was neither. Although when he did not want to hear, he was very deaf ;D
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Nice sunshine today. Here a few from me
Galanthus sandersii Lowick
G Primrose warburg just beginning to open with some promise
G Rosemary Burnham just a wee one
G Modern Art (thanks Anne)
G South Hayes
G Mighty Atom a favourite
I sit here in stunned silence.
johnw
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Martin - re: Monostictus x ikariae.
Looks like there will be a wave of entirely new thoroughbreds coming from your stables. Very exciting foliage and likely hardier than ikariae!
johnw
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The Van cats all have eyes of different colour and they are highly prized. Even in Turkey there were case of catnapping.
Presumably you mean cats from the Lake Van area in Turkey Art? Perhaps they come from a common ancestor.
Yes Lesley. On one holiday we were very lucky to be taken behind the scenes at the University in Van and saw their breeding programme for these distinctive cats.
We were also fortunate to see the work that one of the professors was doing to develop plants for horticultural sales. The professor was a tree specialist, but he was given an enclosure, including a lake, and had developed a superb line of Fritillaria imperialis.
It is the unexpected that can make a holiday.
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It is such a nice afternoon I found myself leaving London early and getting a couple of hours in the garden - I will regret this day come the end of the year when I have no time off left! But 'for the moment' I am as happy as Larry (or "a sandboy", or "a clam" depending on where you are reading this ;D). A few pictures of things that have attracted my attention here in the last hour.
1 - 'Margery Fish'
2 - 'Walter Fish'
3 - 'Washfield Colesbourne'
4 - 'Colesbourne seedling' (from the same stable and looking to be a better plant than the original).
5 - 'Ballerina' a lovely little double from Phil Cornish
6 - plicatus Byzantanus just starting to puff itself up to full glory - another week and should be stunning as always.
7 - 'All Saints'
8 - 'Alans Treat' - I think this is in my top ten this year (my top ten changes every year! ::))
9 - 'Pat Mason' - she has been in my top ten for three years running now. 8)
10 - 'Trumps' - performing well once again
This is more than I can bear, shear torture on this side of the pond. Get me one of those snowdrop hats and I'll cry like a two year old. Good to see the Fishes, love the ones that remind us of bygone characters. Alan's Treat - elegance, elegance.
johnw
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different colour eyes in dogs isn't that unusual, my Cocker Spaniel has brown/blue, often get asked if he's blind in one eye, never seen it in a cat!
Mighty Atom and Ketton in the sun this pm, despite being worried about the 20th a few weeks ago it now looks like it'll be bang on, just need a day like today!
Richard
What a superb snowdrop Mighty Atom is. I just perused my own list and there have been four attempts at establishing Mighty Atom - all marked "dead". Any quirks?
johnw
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I see what you are saying, Alan. However, there are plenty of other green plants under the snow, evergreen ferns for example, and the snow doesn't melt over them. In the following photos, the Galanthus elwesii is actually growing in evergreen Japanese holly fern (Crytomium), but the snow only melts where the snowdrops are blooming. The snow in question is deep, covered with ice, and blankets the entire garden.
Carolyn
Welcome. Another good reason to plant snowdrops here. I reckon a couple of thousand would clear the yard of about 15cm of snow.
I have to say that the dwarf rhodos here always seem to wind up with no snow on the root system. I think Lysichiton & Symplocarpus melt the snow. Thy're certainly large enough to create a little microclimate. Do you agree Alan? BTW I have no idea how they might do that.
johnw
here is a good article on thermogenesis, especially of Symplocarpus: http://4e.plantphys.net/article.php?ch=&id=126
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Ian - fantastic clumps of yellow drops. sandersii Lowick certainly is a bright one. 8)
Gerdk - as Paddy says, nice naturalised planting.
Jennie - great photoshopping. ;D
Arthur - van cats was interesting to look up - I think the neighbours cat looks very similar.
Martin - exciting times. 8)
Richard - some nice pictures - can't wait for the 20th.
Jennie - great splint on 'Jessica' - do you have nurse training? ;D
If I missed anything I'm sorry but that just took 30 minutes to catch up on just one thread! It certainly is 'that time of year'.... ;D
Must pack now to be ready to get down to Matt Bishop's day straight after work.
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Hi Richard this plant seems to well in a raised bed that is well drained but never too moist.
I am on quite heavy clay soil, it may be my previous attempts in the raised beds were just a little too damp, for what ever reason the yellows I've tried here have always struggled, I know of someone nearby that has nice clumps of Primrose Warburg.
What a superb snowdrop Mighty Atom is. I just perused my own list and there have been four attempts at establishing Mighty Atom - all marked "dead". Any quirks?
none that I've found, it thrives here wherever it is planted, that said there are also some that just will not grow well here, can be very frustrating when you see huge clumps.
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I ordered the hat pattern of Ebay at the weekend , came yesterday ( just need to teach myself how to crochet ) I am going to try and resize them for adults and maybe try to knit something similar to the photoshopped hats ;D I do like a project ;D
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Ian - fantastic clumps of yellow drops. sandersii Lowick certainly is a bright one. 8)
John thanks your Trumps and Pat Mason look fantastic 8)
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Martin - re: Monostictus x ikariae.
Very exciting foliage and likely hardier than ikariae!
johnw
Yes John, I was hoping to get a a more robust and hardier ikariae-like hybrid. And I like the contrast between the green of the leaves and the white of the flowers in ikariae, and thought it would be good to have that in a bigger and stronger-growing hybrid version. The flower bud looks a decent size, so fingers crossed it'll match up to the promise of the strong leaves. I have three seedlings that look like the cross has succeeded - after years of cross-pollination.
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Pictures like this one of Galanthus elwesii from Franz Hadacek do rather add fuel to the theory by appearance, don't they?
I'm not convinced. The ice crystals in snow are transparent so don't absorb the heat from the suns rays efficiently. Any coloured object sticking up through the snow will absorb sunlight and heat up faster than the snow surrounding it. Then the extra heat it radiates back will cause the surrounding snow to melt faster. I'm betting a plastic snowdrop would do the same as the real snowdrop in the picture. You would have to run the test in the dark to prove whether snowdrops are thermogenic.
I agree Alan.
But beyond this purely physical effect, active biochemistry (including in all growing plants) is inevitably exothermic because the chemical reactions involved are not perfectly efficient.
More intense thermogenesis by e.g. spadix tissue of aroids is due to partial uncoupling of mitochondria, so that efficiency of respiration is lowered in order to dissipate more energy as heat. This in turn must benefit the plant, e.g. by attracting pollinators directly or perhaps indirectly through increased volatilisation of scent molecules.
Whether galanthus do something similar is a fascinating question. Infra-red camera anyone?
Ashley,
I sense this could be set as a worthwhile project for some student!
Paddy
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I ordered the hat pattern of Ebay at the weekend , came yesterday ( just need to teach myself how to crochet ) I am going to try and resize them for adults and maybe try to knit something similar to the photoshopped hats ;D I do like a project ;D
Emma - brave project. I will be fascinated to see how they turn out :) I am a great little knitter but crochet escapes me. Will John me your first model? :)
I want to see a photo ;D
Jennie
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I sense this could be set as a worthwhile project for some student!
Too much of a stretch from pharmacology Paddy, but maybe ideal for a Young Scientist ... ;)
Thanks Carolyn; a very interesting article.
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I ordered the hat pattern of Ebay at the weekend , came yesterday ( just need to teach myself how to crochet ) I am going to try and resize them for adults and maybe try to knit something similar to the photoshopped hats ;D I do like a project ;D
Emma - brave project. I will be fascinated to see how they turn out :) I am a great little knitter but crochet escapes me. Will John me your first model? :)
I want to see a photo ;D
Jennie
Give me a week or two and i shall post up a picture of my attempt ;D
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Will John be your first model? :)
Jennie
At least hair will not get in the way!
johnw
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few more from this pm.
no name for this one, all I know is it originates from Ivy Cottage.
Hambutt's Orchard, another I've had to move several times before it stopped sulking.
Seagull.
Imbolc - very short, really like this plant, not easy to photograph!
Bill Baker's Large, got very battered by four days of strong winds but staking seems to have saved it.
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Well I finally managed to spend a few hours in the garden today,and the sun shone brightly,so out with the camersa to share a few drops with you
Benton Magnet
Blewberry Tart
Cedrics Prolific
Diggory
Godfrey Owen
Homersfield
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Seagull.
Imbolc - very short, really like this plant, not easy to photograph!
Hello Richard, I'm disappointed that a prior engagement means we won't be joining you all at Benington Lordship, I am sure you will have a good day. I really like both these, Seagull is underrated I always think, but my Imbolc are not short this year, like yours are. Perhaps because I disturbed the clump last year to send off some bulbs and buried the remainder at a different depth. The snowdrops that you sent have all done well and our two have increased quite rapidly, a very pretty little thing, I shall have to take a photograph. I had visitors today looking at the snowdrops and should have taken a photo but was far too busy talking!
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Very nice Chas, I really rate that Homersfield, a good drop.
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And a few more
Ophelia
Richard Ayres
Sally Pasmore
Trymlet
Wasp
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This snowdrop species comes from its most southern position in western Europe
(near Valencia - but in the mountains) -
a stout version of Galanthus nivalis
Gerd
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They look really nice Gerd, are they as small as I think they are? Judging by the pot they could be tiny.
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Hi Brian, think it was our "grumpy" I sent? although I think after the comments here "Livid" might be more appropriate, nice to know they're doing well.
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A great run of snowdrops posted; great to see them all and it makes me a little uncertain in my thoughts of having enough in the garden already and not to chase after more. Well, I have been quite restrained over the past year or two though, to be honest, circumstances have contributed more than my self-control.
Paddy
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They look really nice Gerd, are they as small as I think they are? Judging by the pot they could be tiny.
Thank you Brian! They are about the size of our nivalis - later on they became somewhat larger than it.
The pot has a diameter of 30 cm.
Gerd
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Will John be your first model? :)
Jennie
At least hair will not get in the way!
johnw
;D ;D ;D
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They are about the size of our nivalis - later on they became somewhat larger than it.
The pot has a diameter of 30 cm.
Gerd
Thanks for the extra information Gerd, not quite as small as I thought, but nice and stout!
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As I am stuck indoors feeling sorry for myself that I have not gone to Matt's do ::) I thought the few galanthophiles who could not get there might enjoy a few photos. It's been a busy week and the only time I got out it was windy and I couldn't get decent photo's apart from one or two which I show here.
Firstly a present from a friend who lives in Lynch Green who found this in her garden - so that's what the label says! I know JohnF showed Alan's Treat a couple of days ago, but it is so lovely I include mine here (and these are the only photos that were'nt blurred!
Yesterday afternoon I took a visitor round the garden, and before she arrived I bought some potted snowdrops indoors so she could see them with their skirts up and David could then photograph them. I also thought that perhaps she would be satisfied with those, but she was here for three hours altogether looking round the garden and learning about the snowdrops - I think I may have passed the fever on! Here are the first few he took. Blithe Spirit is a Northumberland find I believe. Eliot Hodgkin (the Foxgrove form) was a gift from a forum member to compare with Kath Dryden's form which is not yet in flower. One that was found in Sheringham Park and removed with permission of the warden, it's a really good snowdrop in a clump. Next another north Norfolk snowdrop, one of the many that came from Warham Rectory, and finally 'Goblet' (not Margaret) another found at Lynch Green...just a good snowdrop. I wish it would stop raining :-\
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...and another Norfolk snowdrop, a recent gift from a couple of lurkers :D This is one I have been hoping to find over a long period of time. It's a super snowdrop named after the late Lady Priscilla Bacon of Raveningham Hall, Norfolk a good plantswoman. Thanks to her the grounds are a lovely site in the spring. Last year a friend and I went particularly to see if we could see this snowdrop, but there was only one to be found. The good news is that I believe it will be available at the Gala.
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Lets hope that the weather is better at the week end then Brian,I think that the blue background really does show them off better
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G. 'Lady Prescilla Bacon' is certainly a sturdy looking snowdrop, a fine looking one indeed.
David's photography is to highly commended. Obviously, he has taken these indoors. I usually take them in the garden and, as you found out yourself, have to take my chances with weather, wind, light etc and the results can be haphazard.
Does David use a lightbox? Ask him about his setup as I am interested.
So, we didn't go to the the snowdrop event in Devon but, at least, we will have John's reports and photographs and I am looking forward to those. I must make the effort to go across at some stage in the future. Certainly, Devon would be accessible from here - ferry and drive.
I can look forward to Altamont Gardens next week and Primrose Hill on the following week.
Paddy
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This is a funny little nivalis snowdrop I found last year. It did the same thing last year so I am hoping it is stable, and anyway I only have the one bulb as yet! The outer petals are the same as the inners, the opposite of a poculiform snowdrop. I know it looks as if I have just removed the outer petals but you can see the real inner petal in the middle.
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Thanks for your comments chaps. David is pleased that you like them as this is a learning experience for him too. He has not used the flashgun for anything else and is just getting used to indoor macro.
Paddy, David has a fully furnished studio, it's called the spare bedroom. The background is a piece of blue card, he is thinking now of getting black. It is leaning against an old dressing table mirror and held still by a highly technical clothes peg (don't they have a myriad of uses), attached to the curtain. Natural light is coming from the right and he uses a flashgun (Canon speedlight 580EX), which is reduced in power by ⅓ of a stop -depending on the strength of the natural light. The camera, a Canon 40D is on a tripod with an electronic shutter release cable to avoid shake. The pictures are taken in RAW and then there is a minimum of manipulation using Photoshop elements. The aperture might be changed and a slight adjustment of the white balance to make certain that the snowdrop is white (!) and the green is natural. Finally each picture is sharpened using unsharp mask and then saved as a jpeg, which is then transferred to me on my laptop, I make the final adjustments in size for the forum. The photo's are then going into my database for reference and I should be checking that the snowdrops are what they purport to be. I am, however, getting way behind with that, and may well leave it to the dark days of next winter!
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Nice photos Brian, tell David to keep up the good work.
Personally I love the blue background as I like the contrast of the greens to the blue. These are some of the best photos I've seen on the web for the minute details of each flower :)
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This is a funny little nivalis snowdrop I found last year. It did the same thing last year so I am hoping it is stable, and anyway I only have the one bulb as yet! The outer petals are the same as the inners, the opposite of a poculiform snowdrop. I know it looks as if I have just removed the outer petals but you can see the real inner petal in the middle.
That's an interesting find Alan, a bit like the plicatus 'Clovis'
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That's an interesting find Alan, a bit like the plicatus 'Clovis'
Brian - Have you seen Clovis in the flesh? I have often wondered how large or small it might be. Nice find Alan and lovely shots Brian/David.
johnw
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Interestingly ( for me, at least!) I think the snowdrops look superb against the blue background, whereas I find that colour used for, say, narcissus, not to be at all pleasing.... I think it is a question of the contrast in tones.
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That's an interesting find Alan, a bit like the plicatus 'Clovis'
I'm not sure if I have ever seen Clovis in real life and The Book says it is not consistent from one year to the next and may have one or two regular outer petals in some years. My foundling has managed to be the same for two years running - that's as long as I've had it.
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I haven't seen 'Clovis' yet, but we are going to Richard Hobbs on Monday and will find out then...if not at the Gala!
Perhaps your find should be crossed with 'Clovis' Alan, that would be interesting!
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In an article in the January Newsletter of the Cottage Garden Society Snowdrop Group, Richard Hobbs wrote about 'Clovis' saying “this plant sometimes has three outers and three inners when it looks rather boring; other times one or two outers or five or four inners when it looks unusual but rather ungainly; and occasionally it has no outers and six inners when it looks magnificent! A typical clump will include all possible combinations. Bulbs will do different things in different years. It is a fascinating plant and a real talking point.”
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G. 'Lady Prescilla Bacon' is certainly a sturdy looking snowdrop, a fine looking one indeed.
Paddy
You're too polite Paddy, I'd say the Lady's downright hefty and a beauty. This might be a good one for Martin to consider in his breeding. Kudos to David for the photography.
johnw
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Gorgeous photos Brian/David. I really love that one of Margaret - lots of movement for an indoor shot. Priscilla Bacon is a beautiful photo as well. All really lovely snowdrops. I think I will have to have a go at taking a few shots indoors as this rain looks like it will last a few days. My brother is a photographer and has all different coloured cards so I will try to loan some from him - I like the blue background very much. I do not have a flashgun and will have to hope for enough natural light.
Jennie
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Great photos from Brian's assistant. ;) ;D
Glad to see you got 'Prescilla Bacon' as I know she was high on your list of desirables.
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Hello Brian, a very nice couple of galanthus, I never heard from. I never saw a more impressive pic of ALAN`S TREAT. PRESCILLA BACON
has a very fine puckered outside.
Hi Alan, I wish, your discovery should be stable. I have a cultivar called NIP`l (Nobody Is Perfect)which have mostly 6 inner tepales, but sometimes also 1-2 outers, so it is not perfect. Hoping yours is healthy and will split too.
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On instructions from above (the fully furnished photography studio) I am asking for your opinions on which is the better background. The house is divided :-\ We are off to Oxfordshire later this morning on our way to the Gala, but would value replies as we will return tomorrow night. Thank you for all your kind comments on the previous photos (I think he'll get his head through the car door without too much problem).
Hagen and John, I am particularly pleased with both 'Priscilla Bacon' and 'Alan's Treat' both of which I had been searching for for some time.
Jennie 'Margaret' is actually called 'Goblet', I am sorry I have muddled you by putting the name of the generous donor.
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I prefer black over blue, the contrast just works better, I did experiment with various colours when I started taking photos for our gallery but black always looked better in my opinion.
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Black every time, Please.
Paddy
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I vote black too.
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And me - I think the white shows up better and when we have the 'orange' snowdrops, I think they will really stand out.
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Black is more beautiful ... :)
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It's a tough one to call for me!!
I like the black background but for me the blue background makes the darker greens tones stand out more, whereas with the black background they tend to blend/fade in together.
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I re-read my post and it's not clear which one I prefer ???
So to make it clear I vote for blue ;D
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I'm surprised, Sean, I was sure you would go for black and amber.
Of course, I could have opted for blue and white.
Paddy
For others: these are local sporting colours.
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::) :-X
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Brian, back in black.
If anybody is sitting at home and cannot go to the GALA.
Here is a garden discovery of this morning: the first flowering Gnv of this season
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Not yellow, not green, but a little between: VORNEHME BLÄSSE
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Not yellow, not green, but a little between: VORNEHME BLÄSSE
Now that looks very elegant. Your own selection, Hagen?
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Here is a garden discovery of this morning: the first flowering Gnv of this season
Looks very promising Hagen - is this one of your your selections - would love to see the flower when it opens.
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Thank you Maggi, yes its mine. I`m beginning to like colors ;)
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Chris, this bulb blooms the second year and is very early. Hope the flowering time is stable. And would like to see the open flower too. But next days will be frosty :-\.
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Two good snowdrops, Hagen. Now, I'm glad I didn't go to the gala - the flowers here are better.
Paddy
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Hagen - re: Grüner Frühaufsteher
It is wanting some Rosemary Burnham pollen asap. ;)
johnw
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Included in the details for a snowdrop selling on EBay:
.......they will be packed with stagnant moss to avoid damage - oh really :)
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On instructions from above (the fully furnished photography studio) I am asking for your opinions on which is the better background. The house is divided :-
Brian - I really liked the blue photos but now I see the black background I think I prefer it. The black is a little more soothing on the eyes. I still like the blue but I must go for black :)
Both lovely photos....but....what is the name of the lovely snowdrop in the photo?
Jennie
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Brian - I prefer the black. But there does appear to be slightly more detail on the petals in the blue one. But black gets my vote.
Hagan - Wow. An early virescent would be a very good one as most of the other nivalis greens are very late to flower in collections.
Very nice pale 'VORNEHME BLÄSSE' too - I have noticed that one on your website and it is lovely.
Included in the details for a snowdrop selling on EBay:
.......they will be packed with stagnant moss to avoid damage - oh really
Arthur ;D ;D
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Brian - I prefer the black. But there does appear to be slightly more detail on the petals in the blue one. But black gets my vote.
Hagan - Wow. An early virescent would be a very good one as most of the other nivalis greens are very late to flower in collections. Nice pale one too - I have seen that on your website and it is nice.
Included in the details for a snowdrop selling on EBay:
.......they will be packed with stagnant moss to avoid damage - oh really
Arthur ;D ;D
;D ;D obviously an expert there then!
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Weather here in N.E. Scotland today is really horrible... driving rain... but Ian says he heard the forecast is better for the south of the country so we can only hope that the Gala Go-ers and those attending the Caerleon AGS Show are having a better time of it. Fingers crossed for you all!
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And the continent sends blue sky and sunshine to the Go-ers.
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Brian - I think black background has the edge. Superb photography.
johnw
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Maggie,the weather for the Gala could not have been better,gloriuos sunshine,ideal Snowdrop weather
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I hope everyone has enjoyed a great day at the gala today. I have really enjoyed my 5 hours on trains and underground trains.... :D
Some quick pics from my garden when I got home from Devon.
1 - nivalis 'Mark Solomon'
2 & 3:
4 - My first flower on JM6 (or JMDS-7B2-6 as it is also known ;D) - I've been waiting a few years for this after a postal blunder where the parcel took almost 2 months to reach me. A very sad looking mess was unwrapped but luckily there was a small solid bulb in the centre of the mess. A couple of patient years of feeding the leaves and I've been rewarded with a beautiful little flower. 8)
It certainly is a beauty John, what is the inside mark like? Your patience has it's own reward - in bundles.
2: Some inner pics of my first JM6 flower :)
3 - the spath of JM6 - I don't know if it does this every year as this is my first flower - but an amusing "funky spathe" this year. ;D
4 - 'Quad'
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Maggie,the weather for the Gala could not have been better,gloriuos sunshine,ideal Snowdrop weather
That's good to hear, Chas.... you'd have needed snorkels up here!
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Included in the details for a snowdrop selling on EBay:
.......they will be packed with stagnant moss to avoid damage - oh really :)
I prefer stagnant - easier off the tongue than spaghnum. It could have been worse; would you believe Staggy moss? :D
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It could have been worse; would you believe Staggy moss? :D
Now that would be worse that 'stagnant' moss.
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A few snowdrops of today:
1) G. elw. 'Godfrey Owen': a distinct snowdrop with 6 outer and 6 inner segments (Found by Margaret Owen in 1996 and named after her late husband)
2) G. 'Richard Ayres': a full double snowdrop and very tall (spotted by Richard Nutt in 1987 at Anglesey Abbey and named after the former Head Gardener)
3) G. 'Ronald MacKenzie': A G. nivalis seedling with rich yellow ovary, markings at base and apex of inner petals also yellow (Dr Ronald MacKenzie, recent introduction)
4) G. nivalis 'Spetchley Yellow': A strong plant from the nivalis Sandersii Group witch increasing well, yellow ovary and single yellow mark at top of inner petals (found at Spetchley Park, Spetchley, Worcestershire)
5) G. 'Wasp': A classic snowdrop who's name is justified (Found by Veronica Cross in 1995 at the former Backhouse garden at Sutton Court
P.S - The white shine on the leaves is from a fungicide against Stag (precaution ), not nice but efficient !
- For John (Kentgardener): as promised I'm on line now, hope to see you in Oirlich Germany, your Galanthus Blog is glorious !
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Wonderful photos from John and Freddievl. I like that Ronald Mackensie and Spletchley Yellow looks a nice shade of yellow. JM6 is gorgeous. Imagine if JM6 always had a spathe like that - would look great in a clump. Quad is very nice too.
Jennie
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Hi All
Loving all the Galanthus images... :)
Brian...the detail you have managed to capture of the flower is phenomenal...especially with the close up ones...I thought the only way to capture the sheen on a flower needed to be taken outside in the sunshine...but you live and learn :)
but
Here are a few of mine...
1) daglinworth
2) diggory
3) nothing special
4) pat mason...been after that one since Paddy posted an image last year...
Regards
Warren
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Good to have you posting Freddy. 8) Nice pictures - hopefully the first of many. Have you found 'Ronald Mackenzie' to be a happy grower in the garden? I have heard mixed reviews with some saying that it is one for the alpine house.
Oirlich is fast approaching. ;D Fingers crossed for good weather.
Warren, glad you like 'Pat Mason' - one of my favourites. Wish I could grow 'Diggory' - I have moved it again this year but expect it will not be alive in 2012. :( It seems to be one that just doesn't like my garden. ::)
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Every garden should have ONE ;) to add some brightness to this time of the year.
Last year I dug some up from a friends garden and added them to various places in the garden. I kept a group for a pot which I will probably put in the garden later in this year.
Photos taken this morning in the drizzle.
I assume they are G. flore pleno.
1. In a pot
2. In the ground
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My goodness, Graham, that potful looks pristine, so perfect - quite unlike my snowdrops at present which are mud-splattered following days of heavy rain.
Freddy & Warren, a lovely set of photographs and excellent snowdrops.
Paddy
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So many wonderful photographs from everybody! It is really the most exciting time of the year, isn't it?
On Friday in business I regretted having not gone for the gala ... but on Saturday we had a warm spell with sunshine here with all the snowdrops open and I really could enjoy my garden. Here are some impressions from yesterday:
Barbara's Double
Ding Dong with Ginn's Imperati behind
Godfrey Owen
James Backhouse
Lapwing
Lavinia
South Hayes
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I had a very pleasant time at a little known snowdrop sale at Marchants plants in East Sussex. I was made very welcome by Graham Gough and Lucy Goffin. With around 40 varieties on offer I had pre ordered but was unable to resist adding to the list on the day.[urlhttp://www.marchantshardyplants.co.uk/index.php][/url] If anyone would like a copy of the list pm me and I will send it to you.
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Thomas - it is good that you had sunshine in your garden while you missed the Gala - I sat on trains travelling back from Devon and missed the Gala too. Your day looks a lot nicer than mine was. John Grimshaw has posted a video of the sales 'rush' on his blog today so you can see what we missed. ;)
Lapwing looks lovely - I saw it at Brian's last year and remarked on how nice it was. Your picture has reminded me what a great looking flower it is. And your 'South Hayes' is looking great - such a good green line on the petals. 8)
Pat - thanks for the pictures from Graham's - I would have loved to have attended but other things were arranged first unfortunately.
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John Grimshaw has posted a video of the sales 'rush' on his blog today so you can see what we missed.
Not to mention a lovely picture of "Biggles" (Steve Owen) with a wide smile, and Melvyn Jope..... :D
The video is just like the "January Sales" reports we used to see on TV news, only with more men rushing about than women! ;D
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The video is just like the "January Sales" reports we used to see on TV news, only with more men rushing about than women! ;D
....and it is in February. ;D
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I'm getting snow blindness - so many lovely 'drops 8)
Yesterday someone came to me at a meeting and said that they would never buy or sell a snowdrop that had been chipped as they are no good, and he had tried them side by side with divided ones in his garden to prove it. Discuss.
(I was so taken aback that It didn't occur to me to ask how he knew his 'divided' ones hadn't been chipped before he got them )
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No sun here today so thought I would picture a couple of the more unconventional ones as they look great whatever the weather ("that's a matter of opinion!" I here some groan... ;D)
1 - Bunch
2 - Walrus
There are some more on their way but need a week to expand to their full potential. ;)
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Out in the garden earlier in the week I took pictures of two lovely Galanthus. The first is G. dionysus a lovely gift from Frank Tindall some years ago. The other, well I am blaming the blackbirds again for whipping out the label. Can one of you wonderful galanthophiles help me with a name? You can see that it has broad glaucus leaves, is about 4 inches tall and the three outer petals are much longer than the inner.
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Here's a link to John Grimshaw's Garden Diary blog with the pics and video from the Gala snowdrop sales hall:
http://johngrimshawsgardendiary.blogspot.com/
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Shelag,
your snowdrop looks like a Galanthus elwesii var. monostictus, but the inner segment seems to have no notch. May that be or didn't I see it right? That would be unusual.
John, I looked at the video ... same procedure as every year ;D I never liked this rush 8)
You seem to be quite successful with 'Buch' and 'Walrus' and I like them very much :D Unfortunately they refuse to thrive with me. But 'Lapwing' is really a good doer!
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John,
You always like the very odd ones but they do seem to grow well for you. Obviously they feel at home with you!
Thomas, a lovely selection posted earlier, lovely photographs.
Paddy
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John
Love Bunch & Walrus. My Walrus was new last year and only has some tiny leaves this year - don't think it will flower.
I love the Spikey's. I have some growth on Irish Green but no sign of a flower yet....and Boyd's Double has not shown at all....probably a gonner. Was relieved today to see that Puck has emerged....whew :)
Rained all day here but I battled on as all the Epimedium foliage has to be cut down before the flowers emerge. Am looking forward to RHS Halls on Tuesday. Top of my list is early flowering Cyclamen coum with pretty leaves.
Jennie
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Feeling rather out of my depth here ::)
G. fosteri first flower from seed sown Jan 08. Is this green wash at the base of the outer petals usual?
G. 'Rosie' (x3) a very kind gift from Chris Sanham, for my teenage daughter of the same name. I am to look after it until she has a garden of her own.
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I do like Bunch ,I believe that it was one of Joe's finds was it not John,I did try to get it at his Spring Thing last year
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Today here, Galanthus 'Wisley Magnet' (photo 1) and a G. elwesii (nameless) (photo 2)
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Today here, Galanthus 'Wisley Magnet' (photo 1) and a G. elwesii (nameless) (photo 2)
'Nameless' has very nice long petals :)
Jennie
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Yesterday someone came to me at a meeting and said that they would never buy or sell a snowdrop that had been chipped as they are no good, and he had tried them side by side with divided ones in his garden to prove it. Discuss.
A year or two ago I posted some comparisons pictures of the 'South Hayes' on the Foxgrove Nursery stand at the RHS London show in February that were taken several years apart. This lead me to wonder if that was not going downhill.
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Yesterday someone came to me at a meeting and said that they would never buy or sell a snowdrop that had been chipped as they are no good, and he had tried them side by side with divided ones in his garden to prove it. Discuss.
I only started chipping a few years ago, everything I've sold/swapped to date has been division though I've no idea if any I've had in have been chipped, but given how finicky drops can be I would say that's probably generalizing a bit, if not quite a lot.
my first chips, mostly mighty atom are being planted so will be interesting to see how things pan out in the next few years, I'm not really sure how the process can be detrimental, unless there was something wrong with the original bulb in the first place.
I assume many new drops are chipped to increase stock quickly, so it could also be that some plants haven't had the time to prove themselves as good "doers" anyway.
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I'm not really sure how the process can be detrimental, unless there was something wrong with the original bulb in the first place.
An interesting topic Richard, I have been told that some bulbs can lose their characterstics if over-chipped 'South Hayes' being the one quoted to me, which can lose the mark on the outers. 'Big Boy' I have also been told is difficult, two people have told me they chipped it and lost every single one. I think the answer is to be sensible and chip only bulbs you have spares of, and then to be grateful if any survive to adulthood ;D
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must admit I haven't experimented with many yet but I can already see variation in vigor, the Atom chips are doing very well, Merlin not so well, probably half the size, but it's also a plant that has increased very slowly here whereas Atom grows like a weed, so that's at least one comparison that is reflected in the garden.
it's food for thought, and I suppose it should be made clear whether a bulb you're buying/swapping has been chipped, although my plan to plant large clumps of Mighty Atom in areas with divided bulbs might make separating them tricky in the long term.
when I do my final planting I'll put in clumps of chipped/split bulbs and mark them, would be interesting to see how they develop but the whole thing seems a potential minefield to me, particularly for a plant that so many either like you or don't ;)
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My first purchased South Hayes looked like an ordinary snowdrop, and was replaced. I chipped the good replacement, and you can see the results below (also Trymmer). The markings are obviously very variable. It will be interesting to see what they are like next year. Another good reason for only selling flowering sized bulbs.
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Good morning everyone.
Some pictures of snowdrops in my garden taken on Sunday. Not the best pictures I know but I hope you enjoy them.
Pics 1 & 2 are of Alan B's beautiful find 'Green Light'
Pic 3 Godfrey Owen
Pic 4 Lapwing?
Pic 5 Anyone any ideas why Percy has done this?
Pic 7 & 8 Trympostor bought from Alan Street at The Garden House
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How long has "Tryposter" been around? I coined that name for a snowdrop John W has that was supposed to be Trym but turned out to be something different. Did I think of the name first or was I pipped to the post?
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The first I knew of Trympostor was when I walk into the Tool Shed at The Garden House Alan.
Alan Street had a big tray full of them & they went like hot cakes. It's a seedling found at Avon Bulbs & is supposed to be shorter growing & more vigorous.
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another nice day but things getting a little muddy under foot after the rain.
St Anne's
Bertram Anderson
Curly
x valentinei
find
quite big green tip double, no idea what it is.
couple of the moat and folly.
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'find' is a good one Richard. Some lovely snowdrops, I am sure by the weekend you will all have a great time.
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The first I knew of Trympostor was when I walk into the Tool Shed at The Garden House Alan.
Alan Street had a big tray full of them & they went like hot cakes. It's a seedling found at Avon Bulbs & is supposed to be shorter growing & more vigorous.
Yikes, the Trym mess deepens. I guess I had better not be using "Trym" impostor for the one here. I think a few of us may have these and so I guess it's just a matter of having our records clear and passed on. Of course none of these are true names without the " " marks in the correct spots.
johnw
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My apologies for misleading you over a picture of G.'Kenneth Beckett's AM form' which I showed earlier. It has now been removed as it was not correct. When I went round to Richard Hobbs this morning, I showed him the photos to make sure they were correct. When I got to this one he said "Oh, no you haven't got 'Kenneth Beckett's AM form' but that is much better (indicating the picture below)". This is a short seedling found in Richard's garden which it was thought ought to be named, Sally wanted to call it Goblin, but that name is taken. It was then suggested to them that it was called G.'Hobbgoblin' which nicely indicates it's origin. So here it is under it's correct name, and a right sweetie it is too :D
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I like 'HobbGobling' Brain - different from a lot of others so could maybe one day earn a space in my little patch. ;) ;) ;)
Feeling miserable with a cold today (or is that man flu when a male gets a cold?.... ) Managed to drag myself away from my central heating and duvet to take a few photos in the garden.
1 - elwesii 'Wispy'
2 - NOT Fieldgate Superb (I got this a couple of years back from one of the big boys as 'Fieldgate Superb' which it is obviously not. ::) But as it is such a good do'er and a lovely yellow I keep growing it. It was suggested last year that it may be 'Primrose Surprise' or perhaps 'Spindlestone Warburg' - I will never know for sure but as it performs so well here I really don't care that it is miss/un named ;) ;D)
3 - 'Homersfield'
4 - elwesii ex 'J Platt' (a nice refined drop that attracts my attention every year 8))
5 - 'Sentinel'
6 - 'George Chiswell no 9'
7 - 'Lady Moore'
8 - 'E A Bowles' (I would like to add that this was an extremely kind gift from a penpal - there is no way I could afford the price it is attracting at present!)
9 - 'Bloomer' - I really like this one each year. It has a wonderful lime green ovary that appeals to me.
10 - another unnamed nivalis poculiform
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Homersfield looks nice, like a bolder marked Ketton.
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This is a short seedling found in Richard's garden which it was thought ought to be named, Sally wanted to call it Goblin, but that name is taken. It was then suggested to them that it was called G.'Hobbgoblin' which nicely indicates it's origin. So here it is under it's correct name, and a right sweetie it is too :D
'Hobbsgoblin' would have been even better ;)
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4 - elwesii ex 'Jeremy Platt' (a nice refined drop that attracts my attention every year 8))
5 - 'Sentinal'
Did you mean 'Jimmy Platt' & 'Sentinel' ;)
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Homersfield looks nice, like a bolder marked Ketton.
Hi Richard
A new one to me last year. The sales list basically says:
A lovely, relatively tall hybrid that grows in Suffolk. The inner segment mark superficially resembles that of 'Ketton' but the basal markings are much stronger. The mark and ovary have a distinct olive-green tinge. A very vigorous snowdrop first shown at the 2009 gala.
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4 - elwesii ex 'Jeremy Platt' (a nice refined drop that attracts my attention every year 8))
5 - 'Sentinal'
Did you mean 'Jimmy Platt' & 'Sentinel' ;)
Oops, sorry. :-[
'Sentinel' (my spelling is rubbish!)
and
G. elwesii var. monostictus ex J. Platt.
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Good to have you posting Freddy. 8) Nice pictures - hopefully the first of many. Have you found 'Ronald Mackenzie' to be a happy grower in the garden? I have heard mixed reviews with some saying that it is one for the alpine house.
Oirlich is fast approaching. ;D Fingers crossed for good weather.
Warren, glad you like 'Pat Mason' - one of my favourites. Wish I could grow 'Diggory' - I have moved it again this year but expect it will not be alive in 2012. :( It seems to be one that just doesn't like my garden. ::)
John, and other forumnists, all our snowdrops are in the open garden. We don't think that snowdrops are happy in pots (Oeps ... now I have said something for discussion !!!). This means that 'Ronald MacKenzie' is also in the garden just like all the others.
We have a sandy soil here in the north of Belgium (against the border with the Netherlands). We have made it suitable for Galanthus with especially our own (kitchen)compost (2-3 years old) and a lot of (old) leafmould (mainly beech and oak). Every year in autumn they become a mulchlayer with old leafmould, the same as we have mixed in the ground. Important is how you plant your snowdrops. I'll explain in Oirlich otherwise later on this Forum.
'Ronald MacKenzie' is a new introduction but we can say that until now we had no problems with it. It grows but not very fast.
In the near future we gonna try to post some pictures in een Galanthusserie and to do it each on a specific theme. We don't known whether it is interesting to say a few words about each snowdrop. Last weekend we took al lot of pictures from the snowdrops because the weather was good to photograph and we had the time (!) so now we have to select them and 'adapt' them for putting on the Forum (Flemish and Scottish Forum, so look also on www.vrvforum.be and go to Forum).
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Freddy
Looking forward to seeing your snowdrops and the few well chosen words about each one.
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Oops, sorry. :-[
Thanks John - you know what a stickler I am for getting the names right ::)
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Missed you all. I have just deleted 1750 emails updates from SRGC forum. You guys have been soooo busy
This was waiting for me when I got home
Trym yellow form
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Can we see a picture please ( or is that not allowed ::) :o )
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A superb gift Mark,
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Crikey, I thought that a few days of Jo's cooking would have got him paying better attention...... I see not ::)
Mark.... you forgot the photo!
Chas, nice joke!
;D
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... all our snowdrops are in the open garden. We don't think that snowdrops are happy in pots (Oeps ... now I have said something for discussion !!!).
Unfortunately, in my garden snowdrops are not happy in the open garden, where they are far too prone to be eaten by swift moth larvae. They seem to be safer in pots, but not completely safe.
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few more from this pm.
no name for this one, all I know is it originates from Ivy Cottage.
Richard, I was told today by the exhibitor at the Lisse Flowershow, that this snowdrop might be the same as the one you showed on page 24 of this thread.
It is called Ivycroft Corporal.
No credits for me as being a (almost totally) non-galanthophile ;D ;D
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Sorry for not having a better picture of it!
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Jo and Christine's cooking - I can confirm, Jo, I have put on weight :(
I'll add the photo later - lying on the sofa relaxing with a mug of hot cocoa
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No credits for me as being a (almost totally) non-galanthophile ;D ;D
Well done Luit. ;D
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thank you!
it does appear to be the same, always nice to put a name to something, am sure the friend who gave me the bulb will also appreciate knowing what it is :)
few more from this pm.
no name for this one, all I know is it originates from Ivy Cottage.
Richard, I was told today by the exhibitor at the Lisse Flowershow, that this snowdrop might be the same as the one you showed on page 24 of this thread.
It is called Ivycroft Corporal.
No credits for me as being a (almost totally) non-galanthophile ;D ;D
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thank you!
it does appear to be the same, always nice to put a name to something, am sure the friend who gave me the bulb will also appreciate knowing what it is :)
few more from this pm.
no name for this one, all I know is it originates from Ivy Cottage.
Richard - the proper name is Ivy Cottage Corporal - I only know because I have ordered it this year but not got it yet. The markings are supposed to resemble a Corporal's stripes.....if you have a vivid imagination :) I love the 'find' of yours and the gorgeous snowdrop vistas. It is looking beautiful.
Jennie
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A quick question if anyone can advise me.
Today I spent ages ticking snowdrops off a list I have typed up and having a quick bulb count. Some have hardly multiplied and others have gone crazy. Only four not made it which is much better than I thought a few weeks ago. I have already been sent one replacement so am happy.
I have 5 or 6 varieties that have not flowered at all although they were flowering when I received them in the green. Diggory is just a wisp of thin foliage and the Walrus & Robin Hood foliage looks very small. Should I just leave them or dig them up and inspect the bulb? I am wondering if they are just very unhappy where they are and need moving or if they are just adjusting. Last year I noticed that Warei looked poorly and when I dug it up the bulbs were rotting in quite a damp spot. This year the surviving bulbs are thriving in a different spot in the garden. Our soil is different everywhere. What do you all normally do when this happens?
Looking forward to RHS tomorrow if I ever get to sleep...........
Jennie
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I have 5 or 6 varieties that have not flowered at all although they were flowering when I received them in the green. Diggory is just a wisp of thin foliage and the Walrus & Robin Hood foliage looks very small. Should I just leave them or dig them up and inspect the bulb? I am wondering if they are just very unhappy where they are and need moving or if they are just adjusting. Last year I noticed that Warei looked poorly and when I dug it up the bulbs were rotting in quite a damp spot. This year the surviving bulbs are thriving in a different spot in the garden.
I think you have answered your own question
What do you all normally do when this happens?
Experience has taught me that:
- Unhealthy bulbs rarely (if ever) recover if left in-situ.
- Disease can spread to nearby healthy bulbs if you don't take action.
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Richard - the proper name is Ivy Cottage Corporal - I only know because I have ordered it this year but not got it yet. The markings are supposed to resemble a Corporal's stripes.....if you have a vivid imagination I love the 'find' of yours and the gorgeous snowdrop vistas. It is looking beautiful.
thanks Jennie, the found one is different but not something I think is very attractive, but it has made a small clump quite quickly.
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If anybody's still after elwesii Green Brush you can get it here http://www.royal-blooms.com/flowersproducts.asp?id=157140402329103&SectionID=50&Start=1 I think jenny was after it.
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If anybody's still after elwesii Green Brush you can get it here http://www.royal-blooms.com/flowersproducts.asp?id=157140402329103&SectionID=50&Start=1 I think jenny was after it.
New one on me, Davey..... perhaps our Norfolk forumists can reccommend this company?
Royal Blooms
Wimbotsham
Norfolk
PE34 8QB
Tel: 01366 386286
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NEVER buy Green Brush mail order. ALWAYS buy it where you can see what you are getting.
I saw about 100 Green Brush this week and was amazed by the range of green on the tips. This ranged from the tiniest amount to what we see in the photo that is used to sell the plants. Sadly and stupidly I forgot to take photos.
Allegedly this is a seed raised variety.
My plants had minute green marks and were badly affected by stagonospora when they arrived as dormant bulbs.
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To late Mark all ready bought one,i'll report back when it arrives.Thanks for the heads up though
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yellow Trym
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yellow Trym
I would send it back - it is olive green ;D ;D ;D
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NEVER buy Green Brush mail order. ALWAYS buy it where you can see what you are getting.
I saw about 100 Green Brush this week and was amazed by the range of green on the tips. This ranged from the tiniest amount to what we see in the photo that is used to sell the plants. Sadly and stupidly I forgot to take photos.
Allegedly this is a seed raised variety.
My plants had minute green marks and were badly affected by stagonospora when they arrived as dormant bulbs.
My bulbs of Green Brush from Gerard also had variable (and disappointing) marks, and one rotted before making any root or leaf growth. Mark, you mentioned at the gala that you'd been told it was a seed-raised strain or grex but I can't remember if you said who the info came from. Was it a reliable source? Gerard maintains it's a clone after I questioned him about it earlier in this thread. We really ought to get this settled one way or the other so that people know what they're buying and know for sure the best way to buy - which seems to be, as you say, in flower so you can pick out the best ones.
Gerard, perhaps you could tell us who your source is for the claim that it's a clone? Did you speak to the person who raised it?
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yellow Trym
Did Joe say anything about whether the colour gets better after it settles in or on certain soil types?
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If anybody's still after elwesii Green Brush you can get it here http://www.royal-blooms.com/flowersproducts.asp?id=157140402329103&SectionID=50&Start=1 I think jenny was after it.
New one on me, Davey..... perhaps our Norfolk forumists can reccommend this company?
Royal Blooms
Wimbotsham
Norfolk
PE34 8QB
Tel: 01366 386286
I haven't bought any bulbs from them, I think this may be a new departure. It is part of Whispering Trees nursery which is a brilliant fruit tree/bush nursery. I used to pop in on the way back to Norwich in apple season and they sold all the varieties they grew. I always bought two or three bags of quite unusual ones. Aaah memory lane strikes again. I have had fruit bushes from the company which were good.
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yellow Trym
Did Joe say anything about whether the colour gets better after it settles in or on certain soil types?
It would be stunning if it did.
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If anybody's still after elwesii Green Brush you can get it here http://www.royal-blooms.com/flowersproducts.asp?id=157140402329103&SectionID=50&Start=1 I think jenny was after it.
New one on me, Davey..... perhaps our Norfolk forumists can reccommend this company?
Royal Blooms
Wimbotsham
Norfolk
PE34 8QB
Tel: 01366 386286
I haven't bought any bulbs from them, I think this may be a new departure. It is part of Whispering Trees nursery which is a brilliant fruit tree/bush nursery. I used to pop in on the way back to Norwich in apple season and they sold all the varieties they grew. I always bought two or three bags of quite unusual ones. Aaah memory lane strikes again. I have had fruit bushes from the company which were good.
Interesting to see that this nursery has listet also Galanthus "Bobette" .....the picture is also "Green Brush"
On the website of P.Nijssen is a other pic of "Bobette" :-\
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Joe always complains about his soil making yellow marks pale green
P. Nijssen mailed my G. Marijke in a jiffy bag. The roots have dried and the flower has withered.
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Joe always complains about his soil making yellow marks pale green
P. Nijssen mailed my G. Marijke in a jiffy bag. The roots have dried and the flower has withered.
That's bad for Joe but good news for the rest of us if it means his yellow Trym will get brighter elsewhere. Was there nothing in the jiffy bag to keep the roots moist?
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Maggi: Royal Blooms
Wimbotsham
Norfolk
PE34 8QB
Interesting to see that this nursery has listet also Galanthus "Bobette" .....the picture is also "Green Brush"
On the website of P.Nijssen is a other pic of "Bobette" :-\
I could not find the photo of Bobette' on the Nijssen site, but the Snowdrop mongraph says in "2001.......Peter Nijssen .... includes two new cultivars of G. elwesii........ 'Bo bette' and 'Spring Pearl'. Both have separate apical and basal marks."
This two mark description matches theat given in various nursery lists.
Mark Smyth has a single marked flower under Bobette /Bobbette on his site
http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20bobbette.html
More white confusion :-X :P
Not so much a white fever as a white delirium, me thinks!
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And, Maggi, what about those green "yellow" ones?
Paddy
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And, Maggi, what about those green "yellow" ones?
Paddy
Dementia, Paddy, dementia.
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Maggi ,
Sorry ...I made a mistake with Nijssen...please look here :
http://www.galanthus-online.de/kultivare-a-d/bo-bette.html
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I photographed the plant on my web site at Margaret Owen's garden in 2009.
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Maggi ,
Sorry ...I made a mistake with Nijssen...please look here :
http://www.galanthus-online.de/kultivare-a-d/bo-bette.html
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Ah, I see this, thanks Hans. This has only one mark also.... surely it needs two? :-\
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Magggi ,
I just found in the Snowdropbook from Bishop ,Grimsaw .... :
"the 2001 autumn cataloge of the Dutch bulb merchant P.Nijssen of Heemstede includes two new cultivars of G.elwesii that appear to fit here :
'Bo bette' and 'Spring Pearl'.Both have separate and apical marks."
There is nothing written that 'Bo bette' has green markings on the outer petals ...
Hans
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You are correct, Hans, I can find nothing written about outer marks, only two inner marks.
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Hans, Maggi, http://www.galanthus-online.de/kultivare-a-d/bo-bette.html shows you really SPRING PEARL. I can say it, because I sent the original pic to galanthus-online with a correct caption.
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I struggle to see why anybody would be bothered naming either the one on Mark's site or the one on the Nijssen site they both look like an ordinary G. elwesii.
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Yes Tony, so it is!
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You are correct, Hans, I can find nothing written about outer marks, only two inner marks.
;D yes Maggi ....as I told you : thats is "Best Age" .... ;D
sorry ...but you have to wait 33 years :P
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Hagen, have you heard anything about whether elwesii 'Green Brush' is a clone propagated by division or chipping from a single seedling or whether it is a seed-raised strain or a grex propagated from a number of similar seedlings? Snowdrop growers here are seeing a lot of variation in the green markings on the outers. What has been the experience of growers in your part of the world?
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Hans, Maggi, http://www.galanthus-online.de/kultivare-a-d/bo-bette.html shows you really SPRING PEARL. I can say it, because I sent the original pic to galanthus-online with a correct caption.
Thanks Hagen...... there is much confusion, I see :) ;)
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You are correct, Hans, I can find nothing written about outer marks, only two inner marks.
;D yes Maggi ....as I told you : thats is "Best Age" .... ;D
sorry ...but you have to wait 33 years :P
Hans, if I must wait until I am 88 years old to understand Galanthus then I will shoot myself next week!
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Maggi ....I just sent you a PM to explain !
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Maggi ....I just sent you a PM to explain !
Yes, Hans, but even when I am 27 in my head, I'm still not waiting 33 years to understand Galanthus and galanthophiles!! ;D ;D
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Well it was very cold today so while someone took photos on black backgrounds in the warmth of the house I did a bit of gardening then took a couple of photos. I was pleased to see that my 'Mr Blobby' and 'John Long' have now broken through the ground at long last. What really caught my eye was the length of the split spathe on 'Mill House', the stature of 'Homersfield', the mark on this plicatus x byzantinus ex Warham and the fact that last years new bulb 'Josie' has two flowers out and a bud coming up if not more. Then it was just too cold and windy and the rain started.
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Brian,
By coincidence, Mary and I were in Altamont Gardens yesterday for the first day of their Snowdrop Week. The one snowdrop which really caught our eyes was G. 'Mill House'. It really is amazing and the colour on the flower is also excellent.
Good strong green on 'Josie'.
Similarly cold, sleety weather here but I kept warm by shovelling gravel to cover some footpaths and beds. Plenty left to keep me warm tomorrow also.
Paddy
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Galanthus 'Grumpy' seems to have become a celebrity, in the Times today, and yesterday in the Mail:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/gardening/article-1356800/Spring-way-sad-faced-snowdrop-t-raise-smile.html
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I lost count of the number of mistakes and amount of daft misinformation in the mail article! And just exactly who has dubbed Galanthus elwesii 'Grumpy' as a "snow-strop"? Or has the journalist just made that up because it's a pun? Good grief!!!
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our Grumpy/Livid is a very popular plant, lots of wives wanting to buy it for husbands ;D
the mark on this plicatus x byzantinus ex Warham
that's very nice!
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Yes Paddy it is an outstanding scharlockii type, looking through David's photographs that he has taken today using his brand new background I was struck by the similarity to 'Bishop's Mitre" which Richard Hobbs showed at the Gala as part of 'Norfolk's finest'.
Richard I really like that mark, one of Glen Chantry's plants according to my database.
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I sent the photo of 'Beth Chatto', which I posted earlier on the forum, to Beth Chatto Gardens, and the response is below. Obviously I am very happy.
Hello Carolyn,
Many thanks for your email. Yes I think you have the original there in so far as the markings and the habit you describe. Have you noticed any distortion of the inner or outer segments as that was a variable characteristic of the original. Also the bulbs readily produce two flower scapes, even when quite small. John Elsley would have had the plant before the seeding out of the stock was an issue.
I am in touch with Paddy Tobin who first raised the topic and he has found out that Wisley have a specimen in their herbarium so it would be good to find out what they have as a starting point.
I guess only plants from that one specimen that was identified in London and subsequently named can be truly called 'Beth Chatto' Do you chip or twin scale as that would be the way to go if we can verify yours as being the true form.
Many thanks for your interest.
Kind regards.
David Ward...The Beth Chatto Gardens.
www.bethchatto.co.uk
You are so far ahead of us here in Pennsylvania. The only snowdrop currently showing its flower is G. elwesii. I am enjoying reading about and viewing all your snowdrop adventures.
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Excelent news, Carolyn.
I do think David Ward is a very helpful chap.
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Galanthus plicatus Deputy Dawg. Is it worth naming?
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Galanthus plicatus Deputy Dawg. Is it worth naming?
http://www.sound-effect.com/sounds1/animal/Dogs/pk9.wav
Nice markings but oh that name.
johnw
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Here are a few of the clearer photos taken today at the RHS Halls in London
1. Clare Blakeway-Phillips
2. plicatus Edinburgh Ketton - love this one
3. Lockyers stand
4. Broadleigh Gardens stand
5. Me at the show today
Jennie
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Galanthus plicatus Deputy Dawg. Is it worth naming?
Mark, I think that is such a brilliant name for that flower - how amazing, it actually looks like him. What a great snowdrop
Jennie
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Yes Paddy it is an outstanding scharlockii type, looking through David's photographs that he has taken today using his brand new background I was struck by the similarity to 'Bishop's Mitre" which Richard Hobbs showed at the Gala as part of 'Norfolk's finest'.
Richard I really like that mark, one of Glen Chantry's plants according to my database.
Brian - is the background on the first photo more of a dark blue? I really like that....even better than black (in my humble opion) :)
Lovely photos & snowdrop
Jennie
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Galanthus plicatus Deputy Dawg. Is it worth naming?
http://www.sound-effect.com/sounds1/animal/Dogs/pk9.wav
Nice markings but oh that name.
johnw
I can see why it got the name.
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Here are a few of the clearer photos taken today at the RHS Halls in London
5. Me at the show today
Jennie
I don't think I would have recognised you Jennie and I only saw you last week! ::) I left at 2pm so missed you anyway.
A couple more photos from me. Sorry about the quality - but thought worth posting anyway.
1 - Jo Sharmon's buttonhole (I think I know what 3 of them are but not the other)
2 - Ladybird :)
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Galanthus plicatus Deputy Dawg. Is it worth naming?
ABSOLUTELY!!! It's the spitting image! Are you sure you somebody has not photoshopped that one, Mark? The only problem seems to be that only a minority of us are old enough to remember Deputy Dawg.
I also think we need to propose to Hanneke van Dijk a Snowdrop Group 11 "Funny Face Group". 'Are the inner segments white with 3 or more green marks that resemble a face?'. There are already ""Grumpy" and several others to go into the "Funny Face Group". I think I remember pansies being marketed as "Funny Face Pansies" but, again, probably only because I am sufficiently old.
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On the subject of snowdrops that look like cartoon dogs, Ian Christie told the Galanthus Gala that he has one that he proposes naming "Snoopy". He remembers "Snoopy" as a sad-faced dog, which I personally don't think is particularly true. I asked him if he might be confusing "Snoopy" with the renownedly sad-faced and similarly-named "Droopy" but he said not. But which of the two dogs is sad?
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Absolut great pics all.
Martin, I cannot help you really. My two GREEN BRUSH look like the same/equal. I hope: at first there was a bed of seedlings and the best (and only one and not a group) was taken for twinscaling.
My two flowers look like the good recent pic here in the forum.
Now I`m going to Boschhoeve.
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Galanthus plicatus Deputy Dawg. Is it worth naming?
yes, it's brilliant, and the name is perfect ;D
Alan you're right, Snoopy does not conjure up the image of a sad dog.
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Just to add to the information on G. 'Beth Chatto', following on Carolyn's post above, here is an e-mail received from David Ward on Monday.
I should add that, personally, the disappointment for me in discovering that the bulb I have been growing as G. 'Beth Chatto' is not true to name is that it was treasured purely for its association with the lady whose garden we have truly loved. But, hopefully, David will get it into production again and it will be available in a few years time.
Paddy
Dear Paddy,
Many thanks for that information. I do recall that Wisley asked for a specimen but I wonder what they have? or rather what I supplied them with! It might be a good starting point to see that herbarium specimen.
I had a short conversation with Beth who told me that the plant which was sent to the RHS and subsequently named as mentioned in The Snowdrop book was a selected seedling from her garden from plants given her by Cedric Morris. It was sent up to London for identification and she feels sure that it was Richard Nutt who identified it as "a very fine example of G. plicatus subsp. byzantinus"
Beth cannot recall what happened to the plant that went to London and is not even sure if it came back here.
Surely only plants propagated vegetativly from that one specimen should bear the cultivar name. Yesterday I looked over the main patch of Beth Chatto seedlings. The first flowers are just opening, most have the inner segment markings separated not joined but I have dug out 6 showing the pinched X with two flowers per bulb to keep an eye on. Its certainly the most prolific seeder of all our snowdrops.
If anything more of relevance crops up I will let you know.
Kind regards
Dave.
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Maybe the snowdrop I showed should be droopy?
It is real and if I can get some bulbs it will be a new Irish snowdrop. I got an email last night asking if it is worth naming with a photo attached. I hope the photo is genuine. I didnt take it .
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Yes Paddy it is an outstanding scharlockii type, looking through David's photographs that he has taken today using his brand new background I was struck by the similarity to 'Bishop's Mitre" which Richard Hobbs showed at the Gala as part of 'Norfolk's finest'.
Richard I really like that mark, one of Glen Chantry's plants according to my database.
Brian - is the background on the first photo more of a dark blue? I really like that....even better than black (in my humble opion) :)
Lovely photos & snowdrop
Jennie
No it is all taken with the same background, the difference would be to do with the lighting and flash. I'll ask him what he has done to the lovely black background ;D It is a dear little snowdrop, very short and the flowers almost touching the ground.
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if someone has faked the photo they've gone to a lot of trouble to include the variation in the marks, It does look almost too good to be true, hope it is genuine, it's great :)
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Big Boy's baby that I mentioned a couple of more years back has been named. It is now Titanic
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A couple of quick pictures from the garden today.
1 - 'Netherhall Yellow'
2 - 'Goerge Elwes'
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Big Boy's baby that I mentioned a couple of more years back has been named. It is now Titanic
There is a tiny picture of 'Titanic' on Avon bulbs website Mark
1 - http://www.avonbulbs.co.uk/top-of-the-drops-card_1381_1373.htm
2 - click on the image showing all the little pictures
3 - it is centre on the bottom row.
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I like the shape of it John.
I would like to add be very wary of buying Green Brush without seeing the plant first!!
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I would like to add be very wary of buying Green Brush without seeing the plant first!!
I order one from Avon bulbs , i hope i get one that looks like its picture ??? Has anyone grown it for a while to see if it varies from year to year ? When it arives i shall take a photo.
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What would anyone recommend using for pollination , paint brush or some thing else ?
I didn't have a paint brush .
I am making do with a dead bumble bee on a cocktail stick ;D
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I am making do with a dead bumble bee on a cocktail stick ;D
I think we need a photo of that Emma. ;D
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Hi Em was the bumblebee already dead before the cocktail stick, ahem, entered the scene?
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I'm sure some of you own G. e. Michael Myers Green Tipped?
Talking to Michael at the weekend he knew nothing of such a plant
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Emma, I'll have to report you to the Bumble Bee Conservation Trust! We need all our queens
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I'm sure some of you own G. e. Michael Myers Green Tipped?
Talking to Michael at the weekend he knew nothing of such a plant
That is because over time some people who bought Michael's green tip have given it the unofficial name of 'Michael Myer's Green Tip' - this is the snowdrop that Michael was originally selling as G. caucasicus 'Green Tips' (I bought mine from him under this name in 2004). With the redrawing of species names this would now be known as G. elwesii var. monostictus 'Green Tips'
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What would anyone recommend using for pollination , paint brush or some thing else ?
I didn't have a paint brush .
I am making do with a dead bumble bee on a cocktail stick ;D
I use a small (size 2) sable watercolour paintbrush, available from any art shop.
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or lack of green tips .. I'll relabel mine later
It's a wonderful day here today. Shorts and t-shirt weather. As it's a dry day my snowdrops have been fed, with tomato food, a sparyed with Carbendazim.
the short 4 inch 10cm elegant elwesii I'm trialling with someone else is very prolific. It has increased 8 times since I got 5 bulbs in 2008
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Lucky thing Mark...........dull as dish water here :(
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Today I thought I would try and work out which drop my "not Fieldgate Superb" may be.
A brief history..... I ordered 'Fieldgate Superb' from one of the big boys a few years ago - what flowered for me the following year was yellow (which 'Fieldgate Superb' is not!). It was suggested on the forum that I write to the supplier and ask for the real thing. My dilemma was that the "not Fieldgate Superb" was doing extremely well and has continued to be one of my best brightest yellowdrops and also one of my best at increasing in number. Luckily a very kind forum member sent me the real 'Fieldgate Superb' so that problem was taken care of.
Following are a few pictures of some yellows flowering here today - I must admit that I am rather confused and think the time may be fast approaching, over the next few years, where I start trimming down on the number of 'very similar yellows' that I grow - keeping only the ones that have a good colour and have proven to increase well growing in my own gardens particular soil.
1 - firstly my "not Fieldgate Superb" that is doing exceptionally well
2 - 'Primrose Warburg'
3 - 'Spindlestone Surprise'
4 - 'Wandlebury Ring' (admittedly not in such a bright position)
5 & 6 - a couple of 'Wendys Gold' from different people.
So....... Any ideas on what 'not Fieldgate Superb' might be. ::) ;D
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I am making do with a dead bumble bee on a cocktail stick ;D
I think we need a photo of that Emma. ;D
The bee was very, very dead when i found it in the workshop window sil. I did not kill the bee.
I am just recycling its corpse
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Sitting here laughing out loud like a lunatic! ;D
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;D
Well i thought as bees have been pollinating flowers for millenia , it must be better than a paint brush at picking up pollen ;)
I cant of course clean my bee-stick , so some pollen may remain. So not very scientific but hey ho.
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What better use could there be for a dead bee's backside?? ;D
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Emma Thick,
You are seriously crazy but a great laugh.
Paddy
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Oh goodness, Emma,
Mary and I are sitting here with the tears running down our faces. You crazy woman!
Paddy
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What better use could there be for a dead bee's backside?? ;D
answers on a post card please ;D
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Oh goodness, Emma,
Mary and I are sitting here with the tears running down our faces. You crazy woman!
Paddy
;D
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Oh goodness, Emma,
Mary and I are sitting here with the tears running down our faces. You crazy woman!
Paddy
Paddy - I just looked at the photo again and am howling with laughter too. ;D
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Back to serious matters:
John, a lovely selection. Your "Wendy's Clone" could very well be a seedling from 'Wendy's Gold'. I grew seed from 'Wendy's Gold' and the resultant flowers were very similar.
Paddy
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Oh goodness, Emma,
Mary and I are sitting here with the tears running down our faces. You crazy woman!
Paddy
Paddy - I just looked at the photo again and am howling with laughter too. ;D
Glad to bring laughter to the world ;D ;D ;D
You will all be wanting one for christmas now .
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You should market them - the perfect pollinating accessory for the snowdrop enthusiast!
I can see you at a stand at the Chelsea Flower Show, your fortune guaranteed.
Paddy
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You will all be wanting one for christmas now .
I'd prefer a hat ;)
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You will all be wanting one for christmas now .
I'd prefer a hat ;)
Hats been started :)
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Emma,my wife may be able to help as she crochets and will be with me on Sunday
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It's a wonderful day here today. Shorts and t-shirt weather....
the short 4 inch 10cm elegant elwesii I'm trialling with someone else is very prolific. It has increased 8 times since I got 5 bulbs in 2008....
Is it really that warm? :o - bright here, but chilly. Could just about manage short sleeves here but definitely no shorts until August! ;D
Your 'trial elwesii' reminded me of the 'Penelope Ann' that is growing here Mark. A couple of pics from my garden today - this is the very last flower just surviving on one clump - and just the leaves on another clump. It could be interesting to see them next to each other for a better comparison than can be done from photos. Would you like me to send you a 'Penelope Ann' bulb when they go dormant so that you can see then together next year?
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OK thanks
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couple more of a few finds now they've come on a bit.
two of a quite tall plant found a few years ago, had to be staked but survived the recent gales, have posted the flower before but not the whole plant, think it is a very handsome thing & my favorite "find" from here, getting a lot of comments from visitors.
last one doesn't really show how green this is, in amongst the others it stands out, has a nice habit and looks nice in a clump.
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sorry got a time out message & posting again didn't include the images :-[
fixed now ;)
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Certainly a tall plant, Richard.
I must imitate your staking method with one or two of the taller snowdrops which have been knocked over by recent bad weather.
Paddy
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it saved several, I have removed two very thin bamboo canes split at the top for the photo, florists wire is pushed into the splits.
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Steve,
The white balance is different between the two photographs - compare the shades of white in both. I reckon the green is about the same in both, perhaps a little more towards olive green in the seedling.
Paddy
Paddy
Now I've got my camera back and a chance to take one or two pics. Here are two; first, an ID parade of Trym and other suspects. Apologies for the state of Trymmer which, flowering first of the six, is now going over and has in fact lost one of its outers, but I thought it should be included for completeness. The blooms are by no means perfect but do at least allow a comparison between size, shape and colour of the flowers, taken together and of course in a single light. The closest match of the seedling in terms of flower shape and the flaring of the outers is with Trymming.
The second pic shows Trymming and my seedling, again taken with the two flowers standing in the same eggcup. The differences in colour and ovary colour and size are now clear.
Lastly, I have reproduced the pic Mark posted of his "trym yellow" (thanks Mark) with of course the reservation Paddy made originally, i.e. that Mark has taken his pic in his light and I have taken my two in a different light.
I think I hear the distant voices of Alan Street and Joe Sharman saying "see what it does next year"!
Steve
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have to confess I don't really like Trym, I did grow it, briefly, but is one I've never really been bothered about replacing, falls into my "does nothing for me" category ;)
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I love 'Trym' but its such an able parent of similar snowdrops that I fear the original may soon be lost in a plethora of Trym-alikes.
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I couldnt tell them apart.
Last year I was given bulbs of the "true" G. nivalis Flavescens from a very reliable source. That's what I was told. Unfortunately the flowers were over. They have just surfaced so I took photos today. They are very different to Sandersii.
Does anyone else grow it?
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Yes Mark and with the same rounded scape as yours.
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What would anyone recommend using for pollination , paint brush or some thing else ?
I didn't have a paint brush .
I am making do with a dead bumble bee on a cocktail stick ;D
I use a small (size 2) sable watercolour paintbrush, available from any art shop.
The same paint brush used by those not quite satisfied with their G.'Green Brush?' ;D
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the rounded scape creates a nice effect, nicer than sandersii.
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resembling the lifeboat davits on the Titanic.
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resembling the lifeboat davits on the Titanic.
Crikey Biggles, you're older than you look. ::)
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Steve,
The difference in the greens is very obvious in your second photograph. Your seedling is worth growing on in the garden. Good one.
Interesting line-up of Trymmy snowdrops.
Paddy
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Thanks Steve. I must get one or two chipped this year.
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I am behind with the posts, just catching up. Love Homerfield Brian - lovely clear photo and the snowdrop has such an incredibly sad 'face'.
Just been scanning ebay to see whats wot and came across this photo of probably a seedling from someones garden. At first glance it reminded me of Daffy Duck - does anyone else see this or am I hallucinating :)
Just resized more pics from RHS and will post them now.....
Jennie
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Some photos from yesterday at RHS Halls, London
1. Birds eye view of the halls
2. Avon Bulbs stand close up
3. Avon Bulbs stand from a distance
4. Avon bulbs sales table
5. Imbolc
6. elwesii Snow White
Jennie
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Few more
1. Harvey's Garden Plants stand
2. Harvey's sales table
3. Jacques Amand stand
4. Mighty Atom
5. elwesii var. Whittallii - a firm favourite and could not find anyone who sells it
6. Honeysuckle Cottage - ordinary flower but nice and tall and apparently early
More tomorrow
Jennie
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Thanks for all the wonderful photos of the Westminster show Jennie.
I have only been once to this show & it was very enjoyable........I remember the lovely smell of all the spring flowers on entering the main hall from the cold air outside.
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My thanks too Jennie, I never get there but am always most grateful for the reports from John and the others ;D
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I am suprised looking at the pictures,and would have thought that it would be a lot busier,
As with all Snowdrop events,maybe the mad rush was over
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I should add that, personally, the disappointment for me in discovering that the bulb I have been growing as G. 'Beth Chatto' is not true to name is that it was treasured purely for its association with the lady whose garden we have truly loved. But, hopefully, David will get it into production again and it will be available in a few years time.
Paddy
Paddy, I would like to help get 'Beth Chatto' into production again. BCG is going to check with you about the herbarium specimen first and then I await instructions as to where to send a plant and how.
Everyone, I have to speak for myself and all the American "lurkers" on your forum, the discussion of the dead bee on a cocktail stick pollinating device certainly gave us a new appreciation of what it means to be a true galanthophile.
Carolyn
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OK it's nothing special but here are a couple of shots of a little bed I made just for Snowdrops last year. I dug it well and put lots of garden compost and composted bark into the soil. The Snowdrops I had were dug up from other places and made ready for re-planting in lattice pots and were all on little named heaps on a table I use for bulb re-potting. I may have told this story before but I turned to pick up my trowel, forgot the table was there, fell over it and me and the Snowdrops finished up on the lawn-a bit mixed up! I resorted everytning as best I could and they all went into the new bed.
Last week I spent over an hour clearing lumps of cat muck out of the bed (nearly a quarter of a bucket full), straightened all my labels and tidied the bed up generally. Today I did exactly the same chore........... and I'm angry. Maureen said I should have put plastic wire mesh over it but why should I have to do that and spoil the look and potentially the flowers. After I had photographed it I gave it a very liberal sprinkling of slug pellets. I don't normally do this where animals are about but quite honestly I don't care. I can understand people who like cats (I don't) but why on earth can't they train them to go in their own gardens and not mine. David is far from a happy chappie! >:( >:( >:(
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but why on earth can't they train them to go in their own gardens and not mine. David is far from a happy chappie! Angry Angry Angry
David because Cats are such nice creatures they never c**p in their own garden. That wouldn't be very nice now, would it. You know the old saying about your own doorstep. :D
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Carolyn,
How wonderful to hear this as it would certainly be wonderful to have the true bulb back in circulation again.
I would certainly not be the one to undertake this task but there are several who post on the forum who have the expertise or know those who could undertake this work. It would be appropriate, I suppose, that the bulb would return to the Beth Chatto Gardens at some stage to be grown on there where it originated.
Paddy
I should add that, personally, the disappointment for me in discovering that the bulb I have been growing as G. 'Beth Chatto' is not true to name is that it was treasured purely for its association with the lady whose garden we have truly loved. But, hopefully, David will get it into production again and it will be available in a few years time.
Paddy
Paddy, I would like to help get 'Beth Chatto' into production again. BCG is going to check with you about the herbarium specimen first and then I await instructions as to where to send a plant and how.
Everyone, I have to speak for myself and all the American "lurkers" on your forum, the discussion of the dead bee on a cocktail stick pollinating device certainly gave us a new appreciation of what it means to be a true galanthophile.
Carolyn
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or lack of green tips .. I'll relabel mine later
Mark - I can only think that you do not have the genuine article - mine have consistently produced green tips, and multiplied vigorously, every year since I acquired them in 2004.
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Paddy, I would like to help get 'Beth Chatto' into production again. BCG is going to check with you about the herbarium specimen first and then I await instructions as to where to send a plant and how.
Carolyn - if you point David Ward in the direction of the RHS Horticultural Database at http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/standard2.asp?namenum=74611&crit=beth%20and%20chatto he can see some information about the herbarium specimen held at RHS Wisley.
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Lovely job, David, and the snowdrops are looking well.
I wonder would a drench with Jeyes Fluid put the cats off doing their business. If they are really a nuisance you could resort to one of those automated spraying systems to frighten them off.
Of course, you could do the sensible thing and just shoot them.
Paddy
OK it's nothing special but here are a couple of shots of a little bed I made just for Snowdrops last year. I dug it well and put lots of garden compost and composted bark into the soil. The Snowdrops I had were dug up from other places and made ready for re-planting in lattice pots and were all on little named heaps on a table I use for bulb re-potting. I may have told this story before but I turned to pick up my trowel, forgot the table was there, fell over it and me and the Snowdrops finished up on the lawn-a bit mixed up! I resorted everytning as best I could and they all went into the new bed.
Last week I spent over an hour clearing lumps of cat muck out of the bed (nearly a quarter of a bucket full), straightened all my labels and tidied the bed up generally. Today I did exactly the same chore........... and I'm angry. Maureen said I should have put plastic wire mesh over it but why should I have to do that and spoil the look and potentially the flowers. After I had photographed it I gave it a very liberal sprinkling of slug pellets. I don't normally do this where animals are about but quite honestly I don't care. I can understand people who like cats (I don't) but why on earth can't they train them to go in their own gardens and not mine. David is far from a happy chappie! >:( >:( >:(
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Chris,
I have dropped David Ward an e-mail and alerted him to comments here so he should see the link you have provided.
Paddy
Paddy, I would like to help get 'Beth Chatto' into production again. BCG is going to check with you about the herbarium specimen first and then I await instructions as to where to send a plant and how.
Carolyn - if you point David Ward in the direction of the RHS Horticultural Database at http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/standard2.asp?namenum=74611&crit=beth%20and%20chatto he can see some information about the herbarium specimen held at RHS Wisley.
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Lovely job, David, and the snowdrops are looking well.
I wonder would a drench with Jeyes Fluid put the cats off doing their business. If they are really a nuisance you could resort to one of those automated spraying systems to frighten them off.
Of course, you could do the sensible thing and just shoot them.
Paddy
OK it's nothing special but here are a couple of shots of a little bed I made just for Snowdrops last year. I dug it well and put lots of garden compost and composted bark into the soil. The Snowdrops I had were dug up from other places and made ready for re-planting in lattice pots and were all on little named heaps on a table I use for bulb re-potting. I may have told this story before but I turned to pick up my trowel, forgot the table was there, fell over it and me and the Snowdrops finished up on the lawn-a bit mixed up! I resorted everytning as best I could and they all went into the new bed.
Last week I spent over an hour clearing lumps of cat muck out of the bed (nearly a quarter of a bucket full), straightened all my labels and tidied the bed up generally. Today I did exactly the same chore........... and I'm angry. Maureen said I should have put plastic wire mesh over it but why should I have to do that and spoil the look and potentially the flowers. After I had photographed it I gave it a very liberal sprinkling of slug pellets. I don't normally do this where animals are about but quite honestly I don't care. I can understand people who like cats (I don't) but why on earth can't they train them to go in their own gardens and not mine. David is far from a happy chappie! >:( >:( >:(
Paddy, I've tried Jeyes Fluid; I've tried dried teabags dipped in Olbus Oil; I've tried every concoction available from the Garden Centre; I've tried orange peel; I tried Zoo Poo from Paignton Zoo which is supposed to have lion and tiger droppings in it; and I've tried carpet grippers in another part of the garden and all have failed.
It's one of the penalties of living on an estate with every other household owning a cat. Cats in the neighbourhood run a mile as soon as they see me coming but I can't be out there 24 hours a day. Most dog owners, these days, pick up their dog's waste, why can't cat owners be more responsible in training their animals? It is possible to do I'm assured. My neighbour, who is similarly plagued, does own a rifle but his wife will not let him use it. Wives aren't around 24 hours a day every day though!!
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David
I had the same problem. I bought a high frequency alarm triggered by the cat's movement. Doesnt hurt them but produces an effect rather like Ms Piggys' bemusement in Pigs in Space on the Muppets (come on, I know you watched it with the kids like I did!) Result; no more cats or pooh. Sold in garden centres etc. Give it a go!
Steve
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David
I had the same problem. I bought a high frequency alarm triggered by the cat's movement. Doesnt hurt them but produces an effect rather like Ms Piggys' bemusement in Pigs in Space on the Muppets (come on, I know you watched it with the kids like I did!) Result; no more cats or pooh. Sold in garden centres etc. Give it a go!
Steve
Thanks for that Steve. I've always been suspicious of those as being products introduced to maximize the profit margins of garden centres by emptying the pockets of customers but I really will have to give one a go.
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Chris,
I have dropped David Ward an e-mail and alerted him to comments here so he should see the link you have provided.
Paddy
Thanks Paddy - the Standard Specimen at RHS Wisley includes a description which hopefully will match Carolyn's 'Beth Chatto' - like you, I would really like to see this beautiful snowdrop re-introduced.
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One of the many neighbours' cats who Use my garden has been using my greenhouse plunge as a litter tray. :-\ >:(
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Anne, I would have throttled her (neighbour I mean-closely followed by the cat)
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Thanks Paddy - the Standard Specimen at RHS Wisley includes a description which hopefully will match Carolyn's 'Beth Chatto' - like you, I would really like to see this beautiful snowdrop re-introduced.
I am sure many of us would say 'Hear, hear" to that :D
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Firstly I would like to say how guilty I feel for starting this controversy over the snowdrop Beth Chatto - I wish I had kept my observations to myself :'(
I only mentioned it because I wanted to buy one myself and noticed that everywhere I looked - they were slightly different. I do feel bad Paddy as I know you loved that snowdrop - lets hope that one day very soon you get to own the real one that Beth selected all those years ago.
In her lovely book The Woodland Garden she refers to her snowdrop as a very special snowdrop that occurred in the garden many years ago (the book was published in 2002). She goes on to say that she was “surprised and pleased to see that it seeded true”. So at first the seedlings must have looked the same but maybe slightly changed over the years and it went unnoticed being such a large and busy garden. It was all a very innocent mistake.
I am always very happy with my special purchases from The Beth Chatto Gardens and they take pride of place in my garden. I hope this issue has not caused her any upset in her advancing years.....
Jennie
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Me again.......
I do not know if anyone has the book The Woodland Garden by Beth Chatto. The paragraph about the snowdrop starts at the bottom of page 40. Here it is:-
"We have a special snowdrop of our own. It occurred here many years ago, a perfect, globular shape and scented, especially when brought into a warm room. It opens its first flower almost at ground level, not very impressive at first, but slowly the stems lengthen and the flower expands. A second flower follows from the same bulb, prolonging the season well into March. We are surprised and pleased to find that this snowdrop seeds true. Several years ago we sent it to a panel of experts at the Royal Horticultural Society to determine if it was already known. No one could put a name to it. My good friend Graham Stuart Thomas suggested it be named after me, and so it has been recorded as Galanthus plicatus 'Beth Chatto'"
From the lady herself - no mention of markings though.
Jennie
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Oh Jennie, I'm sure that Beth Chatto would be pleased to know that folks all over the world are appreciative of "her" 'snowdrop and working together to sort out it's current situation. Working to discover the truth is useful, especially when it involves this great co-operation from far- flung forumists...... all good, I'm sure.
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On display for judging at the RHS Halls on Tuesday - the biggest pot of Godfrey Owen you ever did see.
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it is a very beautiful thing.
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Thanks Paddy - the Standard Specimen at RHS Wisley includes a description which hopefully will match Carolyn's 'Beth Chatto' - like you, I would really like to see this beautiful snowdrop re-introduced.
I am sure many of us would say 'Hear, hear" to that :D
I am working on it to get more of them, but its not a easy one, even for me!
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An attractively-marked snowdrop on the Avon Bulbs stand. It did not have a name, just labelled as "seedling".
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I think that there are toooooooooo many names floating about at the moment,Jan spotted one on the bay named Grim Reaper whatever next
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Re: Galanthus 'Beth Chatto'
Jennie,
Have no worries at all about your information and comment on G. 'Beth Chatto'. Accuracy in naming and labelling are essential and all here would prefer to be sure the bulbs we grow under a particular name is true to name and description.
Yes, it is a disappointment that my treasured bulb is not as I thought it was but that is the way it goes.
Paddy
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I think that there are toooooooooo many names floating about at the moment,Jan spotted one on the bay named Grim Reaper whatever next
Absolutely Chas, but when even the "Snowdrops" book can record that two admittedly well-known snowdrop people visited a garden and "selected" and named over half a dozen new snowdrops in one afternoon,can you blame others doing the same and putting some nondescript flower on Ebay to try to make a quick buck? No-one even illustrious galanthophile names have a right to the indiscriminate naming of supposedly new varieties - that is why the marketplace is in danger of being flooded.
Incidentally the latest Ebay bandwagon word is "grumpy" - it must appear on at least five or six (nondescript) plants up for sale.
I sound grumpy myself. Just call me Victor Meldrew.
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Hi Paddy I bought g.Beth Chatto on ebay from bethchattogardens a couple of years ago.
I will photograph it over the weekend & post the picture.
I recall the flower having a aberrant inner petal & they assured me g. Beth Chatto does do this..........so maybe I do have the correct plant.
Often we are informed that snowdrops do not like being grown in pots so do you think those beautiful Godfrey Owen were grown in a pot or dug up as a clump just prior to the show?
Oh poor David I understand your frustration completely regarding cats. I was going to suggest dipping small sticks in neat Jeyes Fluid & sticking in the ground however you seem to have tried the fluid anyway. I have resorted to leaving prickly rose prunings on the soil between the snowdrops. The cats are deterred if they cannot moved the prunings but the pesky varmits are pretty persistent once they have a favourite spot.
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Firstly I would like to say how guilty I feel for starting this controversy over the snowdrop Beth Chatto - I wish I had kept my observations to myself :'(
Don't panic Jennie, we have rumbling about this for a couple of years. ::)
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Found today a white double with a small RED MARKING on the tip of the outer petals :o :o :o
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VIRUS :o
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No virus to be seen and if i hope its stabile ;D
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carnivorous snowdrop? might be blood ;)
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Found today a white double with a small RED MARKING on the tip of the outer petals :o :o :o
That just looks like a spot of mould to me, where the bud got too wet ....... :-\
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Could be the start of stagonospora. The soil looks very wet.
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My elwesii monostictus x ikariae seedling hasn't produced a huge flower, but it should get bigger as the bulb matures. This is its first flowering, and the flowers are always much smaller to start with than they'll get in future years.
Seems quite intermediate, flower shape like the elwesii mono. seed parent and mark quite ikariae-like. Sorry it's not opening wide enough yet to show the mark properly.
What is encouraging is it seems to be vigorous with three daughter bulbs already even at first flowering and just 4 years from sowing. Have already back-crossed it with ikariae. Hopefully, if fertile, it will eventually lead to a swarm of strong garden-worthy ikariae-like snowdrops.
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very cold today so not much to photograph, found an orange stained niv fp flower, maybe something similar to Gerard's?, plant seems healthy enough.
Couple of Blewbury Tart, one of the few doubles I really like.
Ugly thing was given to me as Double Sharlockii but appears to be D, Double Charmer in the bible.
A very green nivalis.
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What is encouraging is it seems to be vigorous with three daughter bulbs already even at first flowering and just 4 years from sowing. Have already back-crossed it with ikariae. Hopefully, if fertile, it will eventually lead to a swarm of strong garden-worthy ikariae-like snowdrops.
That seems like one to watch Martin.
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As promised:
Serie 1: Snowdrops named after 'women'
1) 'Alison Hilary':
Selected in 1996 by Joe Sharman from a mixed snowdropcolony at the former Backhouse garden at Sutton Court, Herefordshire, now belonging to the Page family. Named for Alison Page, née Hilary
2) 'Betty Hansell':
This fine regular double was found by Robert Marshall in 1994 near Hainford, Norfolk and named for his aunt.
3) 'Dodo Norton':
A 'miniature' snowdrop' (10 cm with large, textured flowers) spotted in 2000 in the ditch garden at East Lambrook Manor, South Perton, Somerset. It acquired the name of the wive of the previous owner, Andrew Norton.
4) 'Helen Tomlinson':
An elwesii with large, shapely flowers and fine glaucous leaves, albeit not especially distinct in marking. Named after John Tomlinson's wife Helen.
5) ‘Margaret Biddulph’:
A convolute with green washed outer petals. From the garden at Rodmarton and named by Simon Biddulph in honour of his grandmother.
6) ’Patricia Ann’:
An attractive late plicatus ssp. byzantinus which was given to Dr Ronald MacKenzie by Carolyn Elwes and named after Ronald MacKenzie’s wife.
7) ‘Primrose Warburg’:
Primrose Warburg, who died in 1996, left a large collection of snowdrops brought together over many years in her Primrose’s garden at South Hayes, Oxford. In 1997 the collection was identified, especially by John Grimshaw, and many seedlings were named among them ‘Primrose Warburg’ (and ‘South Hayes’).
8 ) ‘Selina Cords’:
Found in 2006 by Rudi Bauer in a population of nivalis scharlockii and name it after his granddaughter Selina Cords.
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Very nice Freddy, I hadn't picked up on the Norfolk connection to 'Betty Hansell' before, I shall have to look out for herm and the lovely 'Margaret Biddulph'.
As a matter of interest do you find Selina Cords flowers very close to the ground?
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Brian, not especially as you can see on the picture below. A cultivar from which I found the flowers mostly or only on the ground in my garden is 'Walrus'.
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and a few from Holland:
Trym
Spindlestone Surprise
Marijke
Hans guck in die Luft
Irish Green
ikariae
Big Boy(with very faint green lines)
rizehensis
Joy Cozens(faded orange but still visible)
woronowii
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another few:
Octopussy
not BoBette
Viridapice
Lady Elphinstone(just one a little bit yellow)
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Jon Evans has put some images of plants put forward for consideration by the Joint Rock Garden Committee at the RHS Show held 15 Feb. including some Snowies, on the AGS on-Line Discussion. Thought you might like to know!
http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/discussion/atshows//RHS+Show+in+Westminster+th+February/483/?page=1
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not sure about some of the very green drops...
agree with the author, Galanthus Rodmarton Arcturus looks very nice.
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Good link, David.
Nice snowdrops but that double hepatica is outstanding. What a blue!
Paddy
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Loes, you have a brilliant collection there!
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I think gala-goers saw Rodmarton Arcturus as an un-named clump at Rodmarton when the gala was in Gloucestershire a few years ago. It looked a bit like Augustus on steroids. I think this is the same plant. Certainly looks like it. I remember Colin Mason looking at it with me. There was no label so we surmised it hadn't been named yet, and Colin said "I'll bet it soon will be!"
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Brian, not especially as you can see on the picture below. A cultivar from which I found the flowers mostly or only on the ground in my garden is 'Walrus'.
Interesting Freddy as they both flower near the ground for me, 'Selina Cords' is not trailing on the ground but is not very far above it.
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Brian and Freddy,
my Octopussy is flowering for the first time with me and almost on the ground.(and is a Walrus/Sharlockii type as I remember correctly).
looks like it runs in the family
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not sure about some of the very green drops...
agree with the author, Galanthus Rodmarton Arcturus looks very nice.
Ron Mackenzie describes Rodmarton Arcturus as having two spots over the sinus and a bold mark at the base, which doesn't match the photo on the AGS report.
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Re: Galanthus 'Beth Chatto'
Jennie,
Have no worries at all about your information and comment on G. 'Beth Chatto'. Accuracy in naming and labelling are essential and all here would prefer to be sure the bulbs we grow under a particular name is true to name and description.
Yes, it is a disappointment that my treasured bulb is not as I thought it was but that is the way it goes.
Paddy
Thanks for that Paddy and I know you will own the real snowdrop in the end
Jennie
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I think that there are toooooooooo many names floating about at the moment,Jan spotted one on the bay named Grim Reaper whatever next
Absolutely Chas, but when even the "Snowdrops" book can record that two admittedly well-known snowdrop people visited a garden and "selected" and named over half a dozen new snowdrops in one afternoon,can you blame others doing the same and putting some nondescript flower on Ebay to try to make a quick buck? No-one even illustrious galanthophile names have a right to the indiscriminate naming of supposedly new varieties - that is why the marketplace is in danger of being flooded.
Responsible breeders of, say, beared irises, will raise 10,000 seedlings in a season and select maybe one or two for naming. These must have outstanding characteristics of form, colour, vigor, disease resistence or whatever, something to make them REALLY destinct from others.
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not sure about some of the very green drops...
agree with the author, Galanthus Rodmarton Arcturus looks very nice.
Ron Mackenzie describes Rodmarton Arcturus as having two spots over the sinus and a bold mark at the base, which doesn't match the photo on the AGS report.
Hi Martin
The picture I put of this plant on my travelogue didn't show the inner mark - but I have just gone through my discarded photos and this blurred pic may help a little?
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Well that looks like the picture on the AGS website report. But Ron's catalogue description of the mark suggests something quite different to me: "inner petals marked with two spots over the sinus and a bold mark at the base." Oh well. Lovely flower.
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Well that looks like the picture on the AGS website report. But Ron's catalogue description of the mark suggests something quite different to me: "inner petals marked with two spots over the sinus and a bold mark at the base." Oh well. Lovely flower.
Looks like he doesn't know his base from his apex.
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Re: Galanthus 'Beth Chatto'
Have no worries at all about your information and comment on G. 'Beth Chatto'. Accuracy in naming and labelling are essential and all here would prefer to be sure the bulbs we grow under a particular name is true to name and description.
Yes, it is a disappointment that my treasured bulb is not as I thought it was but that is the way it goes.
Paddy
I for one am very happy that this controversy arose and not just because I apparently have the real 'Beth Chatto'. I am selling this snowdrop to my nursery customers (five plants anyway) and I would be mortified if it were not the right plant. With all the snowdrop cultivars out there, there is probably nothing more important than accuracy of identification. I am so thankful that I discovered this wonderful group with which to exchange information.
Carolyn
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Mark Surely you didn't fall onto a clump of E.A. Bowles. :o
Surely no one owns a CLUMP ;D
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Today on our annual garden centre crawl scrutinising the snowdrops, we went into the cafe for a cuppa and on the table was THIS!!! A whole potful of poculiform snowdrops, and so many flowers from only 3 bulbs!!! :o
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Did you negotiate a good price ;) ;)
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I hope you have begged one to chip ;D ;) ;D
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Alas, they were not for sale. :'(
Has anybody tried chipping galanthus at this time of year ie while they are in full growth?
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This is one of my finds in the garden
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Very interesting Dave. Will it do it next year?
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hopefully Arthur,there looks like a second spike from this bulb so we will see.
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What happened to you Mark...........do tell.
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This is one of my finds in the garden
Could it be a Snowdrop Dave? :P
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Stop it David ;D ;D ;D ;D our lass keeps asking what am i laughing at.
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Today on our annual garden centre crawl scrutinising the snowdrops, we went into the cafe for a cuppa and on the table was THIS!!! A whole potful of poculiform snowdrops, and so many flowers from only 3 bulbs!!! :o
Anne Wright... those are fake, you tinker ! I can see the edges of plastic above the ovary...
you had me going for a minute there!
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plicatus Enid Bromley showing typical Maidwell C leaves ???
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That's Carbendazim on the leaves
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Where are the posts about a red spot on a snowdrop? They're in my Inbox but not here in the thread. ???
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Where are the posts about a red spot on a snowdrop? They're in my Inbox but not here in the thread. ???
Here they are:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6625.msg187153#msg187153
Re: Galanthus February 2011
« Reply #600 on: February 18, 2011, 12:01:26 PM » page 41 of this thread from Gerard Oud
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Thanks Maggi. I have the, now. for some reason the page wasn't there. Listed in the numbers of pages but when clicked on, went from 40 - 42. Seems OK now.
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John F you thought the little elwesii I have might be Penelope Ann. From ovary base to petal tip is 3cm. Can you measure Penelope Ann, or anyone else.
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You could have asked whilst it was daylight Mark! ;D
The best I could do in the dark.
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the sun was out here 8)
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I have just seen that Galanthus 'Ray Cobb' sold on Ebay for £90 in January. Ray will be pleased as when I spoke to him he thought he was only worth £40 a time. He will be unbearable now.
( Edit by Maggi: moved here from another thread)
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I visited someone today who has Penelope Ann. Here is a comparison photo.
Penelope Ann on the left.
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the sun was out here 8)
So, that's where it went!!! Can you share it around a bit please, Mark?
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Alan it was lovely here again today. Cloudy but no need for a coat/fleece. 9c
Tomorrow I'm going to an island in/on Lough Neagh where G. nivalis have been growing since the 1800s. Fingers crossed for something different.
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Here are two G. elwesii Green Tip with an extra spathes and spathe like petal
One Ivy Cottage Green Tip has green tips - well not quite
Galanthus nivalis Audrey Vockins - an albino yellow
How a green tipped elwesii should look
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Freezing here with snow at times.
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Mark that last green tip is superb,i'd love to pollen dab with that.
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that last green tip really is lovely!
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Galanthus nivalis Audrey Vockins - an albino yellow
Good to see that she has a snowdrop named for her, she was at the Gala too.
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Hitch is very kind to drive her during snowdrop time. I always make time to have a chat with Audrey. She cant see very well but knows my voice
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Hope you really enjoy your day on the island.
I expect we'd all recognise Mark's lovely accent in a galanthus gathering .... ;D
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Well Paddy, I thought this would be the right thread for some 'old reliables' in the garden situation, since they don't count as an 'event'.
However it looks like ebay is having fun again. Perhaps we should have an ebay thread specially for gossiping about sellers/buyers/prices etc :D :D :D
Anyway, here are some snowdrops in my garden this morning, with the emphasis on garden :)
'Lady Elphinstone'
'Pusey Green Tips'
'Desdemona' including Leucojum
Cyclamen pets
Galanthus ikariae and 'Magnet'
(edit by maggi to add picture names to text)
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Good on you, Jo.
Beautiful shots of snowdrops looking their best. Great companion plants also. I think blue crocus are a great plant with snowdrops as the colour seems to lift the snowdrops very well.
A comment on G. 'Lady Elphinstone': we had a small clump in the same position for about ten years and it was overcrowded and the flowers and leaves had become quite small. I moved them last year to a new position and was curious to see if they would have their good yellow colour as it is usually said that they will loose it for a year after a move. The plants are all bigger, healthier, and the flowers are a glowing yellow, just beautiful. It really is a beautiful plant.
Paddy
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Great pictures of your garden Jo, note to self buy blue crocus!
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However it looks like ebay is having fun again. Perhaps we should have an ebay thread specially for gossiping about sellers/buyers/prices etc :D :D :D
We do, sort of.... http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6498.0 ;)
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Jo, your garden looks a picture and this still only February.... no wonder your garden visitors are so delighted to see it.
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Lovely photos - what great looking clumps of drops. I was wondering what species "Cyclamen pets" was till I enlarged the picture ;D ;D ;D
Chris
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Chris,
By coincidence, Mary took these photographs yesterday. We could call them "Snowdrops and Pets".
Fortunately, photograph 3, the scratchers were elsewhere and thank goodness for that as they can scatter snowdrops to the winds in a matter of moments.
Paddy
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Have a look at this snowdrop on ebay & look at the middle picture below the main one;D ;D ;D
Now that's class...... ::)
Item number: 290535597088 ::)
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Have a look at this snowdrop on ebay & look at the middle picture below the main one;D ;D ;D
Now that's class...... ::)
Item number: 290535597088 ::)
Its a good look ::) maybe they should think about it for Snowdrops 2 :)
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Maybe it's worth naming...........galanthus 'Stinky Sock' :D :D ;D ;D
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I can't believe all those Lady Elphinstones and ALL yellow! I only get about 15-20% yellows whether I move them or not. Different clones??? Jo and Paddy, do you have acid soil? It must be the most annoying snowdrop in the world. :-\
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Anne, the soil here is slightly acidic. Paddy
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It must be the most annoying snowdrop in the world. :-\
Worse than the hollow £40'er in the bin? ::)
johnw
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Lady Elph is another yellow that's hates me, my clump -if it can be called that is a sorry sight, another I wont be trying to replace.
was given a bag of plic Babraham today, presume it's the B Dwarf in the bible, is it known for its scent? it is amazing!
and Walrus, even more ugly in the flesh :-\
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Walrus is great,if you want to get rid of it....send it to me!
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it'll be planted, next to Double Charmer, they'll make a lovely ugly couple ;)
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Now,now Richard calm down it could be worse, I could send you a Mrs Tiggywinkle and Ermine Spikey
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they both would need bags on their heads for open days :P
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they both would need bags on their heads for open days :P
Lads stop it I LOVE SPIKIES and am not ashamed of it,have you not read the other thread about plants and feelings if they could read this now :-[ :-[
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beauty really is in the eye of the beholder ;D
esp with spikies
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I can't believe all those Lady Elphinstones and ALL yellow! I only get about 15-20% yellows whether I move them or not. Different clones??? Jo and Paddy, do you have acid soil? It must be the most annoying snowdrop in the world. :-\
I've got acid clay Anne.
And I know this isn't by the book but I lift my clumps every now and then and take out and keep the yellow ones. Eventually I get a group of yellows and a group of greens. I know , I know, its not possible.But thats what I do and the yellows stay yellow ??? ???
Maybe the bulbs have to be big to be yellow and the special treatment keeps them big :-\ and the heavy clay stops them splitting into lots of little pieces. :-\ :-\
This group hasn't been moved for three years.
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Paddy I love your ducks. Are they Khaki Campbells or Runners. I've got two Indian runners at the mo and you can't beat their eggs for a good sponge cake.
Mind you they've all got big feet and don't mind where they put them :)
Hens are the worst for damage, if you think blackbirds make a mess of mulch its nothing compared to chickens
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beauty really is in the eye of the beholder ;D
esp with spikies
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Paddy I love your ducks. Are they Khaki Campbells or Runners. I've got two Indian runners at the mo and you can't beat their eggs for a good sponge cake.
Mind you they've all got big feet and don't mind where they put them :)
Hens are the worst for damage, if you think blackbirds make a mess of mulch its nothing compared to chickens
Jo, those are two Khaki Campbells - great ducks, two eggs each day without fail, winter and summer. Great girls. Great omelettes etc. Hens are really the worst in the world when it comes to snowdrops especially so as I have one bed which I mulched heavily with a mixture of garden compost and leafmould and the hens absolutely love scratching in this as it is so loose and has so many worms. Snowdrops which come in the way are simply scratched and scattered all around. I have two Jersey Giants and these are the most stupid hens you could imagine and cannot understand why I am hunting them from the snowdrops. My run of the mill hybrids are much easier hens to manage, ladies. A few "chuck chucks" and they will run to me.
By the way, the Jersey Giants are named "Snowdrop" and "Crocus". We did have, from the same clutch, a "Tulip" but she turned out to be a "Frank" and got the chop.
Back to snowdrops! Paddy
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Jo - your garden is very beautiful with lovely healthy clumps of snowdrops. I also love the blue Crocus it really sets everything off - I must get some for next year. Are they just a regular blue Crocus or a named variety?
I am curious what is going on with the trees in the distance of the photo entitled 'Cyclamenpets'. The trees almost look woven? Very attractive.
What happens in your borders after spring time is over - do you have other things interplanted for the summer? I am curious as my spring borders look absolutely dull and dead apart from some Geranium macchorizum and Epimedium foliage oh and the odd Fern. I have been trying to establish some Lilium martagon alba without much success :)
Jennie
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....you can't beat their eggs for a good sponge cake.
;D ;D Was that meant to be funny? ;D
Jo - love tic showing your pets all together. I remember the way they all followed you around and were never far from you in the garden.
My 'Lady Elphinstone' are all yellow - but I haven't moved them in years. Will split and move them when they are dormant this year and see what colour they are next year.
Mavers - that picture! ::) I hope they don't work in marketing with ideas like that! ;D
(reproduced here so that we can still enjoy this idea for an interesting backdrop in years to come....)
Brian - perhaps you could get your photographic assistant to try some snowdrop pics with this background so that we can see if we prefer it to the blue? ;D
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I've gone back over all the pictures because I can't remember seeing
any blue crocus.
Do you mean those purple ones in Jo's pictures?
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I visited someone today who has Penelope Ann. Here is a comparison photo.
Penelope Ann on the left.
thanks for the comparison picture Mark - you can see why I thought that might be what you were growing - but, as your picture shows, 'Penelope Anne' is a much larger flower.
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That's better John, I didn't realise the actual picture could be posted like that.
Now peeps can see it more easily.
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I've gone back over all the pictures because I can't remember seeing
any blue crocus.
Do you mean those purple ones in Jo's pictures?
They're the ones Diane
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In a certain light, with the right spectacles, with an adjustment of the camera settings and a little imagination they could be considered blue.
Paddy
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Well they are not yellow are they :D
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No, I couldn't stretch it that far. Paddy
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Will someone please send us some snow/ice/frost or freezing winds to help keep the snowdrops fresh. They are going over very fast. It's 14c today
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I've gone back over all the pictures because I can't remember seeing
any blue crocus.
Do you mean those purple ones in Jo's pictures?
They're the ones Diane
Haha, blue crocus, mmm, what's that common purple one all the garden centres sell :-\ 'Whitewell Purple 'maybe ???
My cameras having a laugh ;D
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Dutch crocus I think but tommies in the photo with the Leucojums
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The snowdrops are going over toooooo quickly :(
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drifts here are going fast but still got plenty of varieties looking nice, would be better if I didn't have two tours to do in the pouring rain :-\
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The snowdrops are going over toooooo quickly :(
drifts here are going fast
Well you could all move up here and freeze with us and have a later 'drop season ..... ther'd still be rain though! :P
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Hi Maggi, it's been raining all morning here but it is very mild.
Promise of sunshine tomorrow ;D
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Here is a "fresh" picture from today from my own ( named by me )
Hans guck in die Luft
Many of my friends here have received from me the (true) plant - if anybody is interestet to swap with me....no problem !
Enjoy
Hans
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A translation by Mark Twain of the original story can be found here:
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/12116/12116-h/12116-h.htm#The_Story_of_Johnny_Head-in-Air
Paddy
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The snowdrops are going over toooooo quickly :(
drifts here are going fast
Well you could all move up here and freeze with us and have a later 'drop season ..... ther'd still be rain though! :P
spent a week on west coast few years ago but anywhere that cold in August :o wouldn't be my first choice of move, spectacular scenery & roads 8) but didn't warm up till I got south of Doncaster, I like being a soft southerner :P
finished my second tour, soaked again, why do people want to look at drops in the rain, all mad ;D
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why do people want to look at drops in the rain...
Nobody wants to look at drops in the rain, but if it comes down to a choice between that and not seeing them at all, I'm sure we would all choose the former.
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why do people want to look at drops in the rain...
Nobody want to look at drops in the rain, but if it comes down to a choice between that and not seeing them at all, I'm sure we would all choose the former.
And, to be fair, for garden viewing of any kind in the UK there is often no alternative. :'(
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.... all mad ;D
I certainly am. ;D
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Was just out in the garden taking a picture of 'Hans Guck in die luft' before it was gone for this year and grabbed another couple of quick pics in the failing light (it is now almost dark!)
1 - 'Marjorie Brown'
2 - 'Pusey Green Tips'
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Here is a "fresh" picture from today from my own ( named by me )
Hans guck in die Luft
Many of my friends here have received from me the (true) plant - if anybody is interestet to swap with me....no problem !
Enjoy
Hans
Hi Hans,
your 'Hans' snowdrop flowered beautifully for me this year, as did all the other lovely swops we did. Thanks again for that.
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I know there is no way of working this out, but I wonder, over the years of the Forum (this and the "Old" archived version) what sort of size of garden could have been planted using the plants and seeds that Forumists have swapeed.... I'mnot just talking snowdrops, but all the amazing range of plants that I read about X getting from Y ..... my guess it i would be a really sizeable a plot of ground.... much bigger than most of us have for our gardens, anyway! ;D
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Hi Hans,your 'Hans' snowdrop flowered beautifully for me this year, as did all the other lovely swops we did. Thanks again for that.
Hi Jo ,
thank you for your friendly words about my plants !
Your plants growing also fine here :D
Hans
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what sort of size of garden could have been planted using the plants and seeds that Forumists have swapped.
I think we should be talking what size county instead of garden.
johnw
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if anybody is interestet to swap with me....no problem !
Yes please
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what sort of size of garden could have been planted using the plants and seeds that Forumists have swapped.
I think we should be talking what size county instead of garden.
johnw
Well, I did wonder that! 8)
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Galanthus nivalis Mini Me are showing their green flush this year
The changeable face of Maidwell C. The only difference I can see in my plants are
Maidwell C has larger flowers
Maidwell C has a better yellow edge to the leaves
Anyone else done any comparisons? I'll take side by side flowers tomorrow but I dont want to remove leaves.
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Some Galanthus in flower here,
G. 'Hippolyta'
G. 'Bertram Anderson'
G. 'Desdemona'
G. 'Anglesey Abbey'
G. plicatus 'Washfield Warham' is normally a bit later, but is already coming up.
Some Galanthus nivalis with Helleborus orientalis.
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And who is recognize this one. I found it along road and field.
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And who is recognize this one. I found it along road and field.
It is Galanthus elwesii monostictus (which simply means Galanthus elwesii with a single mark - some G. elwesii have two marks on the inside flower segments, and others have just one mark, like your snowdrop).
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was given a bag of plic Babraham today, presume it's the B Dwarf in the bible, is it known for its scent? it is amazing!
quote from RichardW (didn't come out as a quote not sure what happened)
There is a cultivar offered in the US called 'Babraham Scented' with the description "another of Hector Harrison's discoveries". The name implies it's known for its scent, but it's not in the bible unless it is 'Barbraham Dwarf'. Does anyone know anything about this snowdrop?
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perhaps the same thing, though what I was given doesn't look very dwarf.
glorious day today, several tours so quickly ran round with the camera between.
Barbara's Double
Find
Find - very short, only just started flowering.
Diggory
Greenish
Pear Drop - favourite of mine, one of the most elegant drops I grow.
David Shackleton
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Pear Drop - favourite of mine, one of the most elegant drops I grow.
Richard, I agree that this is a very good snowdrop, which always sticks out from the rest.
At the 2007 Galanthus Gala, Cliff Curtis told how he had discovered this in the Ketton garden and described it as "a really good garden snowdrop, bulks up well, flowers shaped and hang like a pear drop".
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Managed to get home from work early while the weather was nice. A few pictures from my back yard today - some I have shown pictures of before but these were all looking lovely in the warmth so deserved their photos being taken again. Made a nice change to have sunlight to take photos. 8)
1 - 'Peardrop' (great drop, does well, but the scent doesn't appeal to me :-\)
2 - 'Bloomer'
3 - 'Curly'
4 - Not DQ Greatorex
5 - 'E A Bowles' (a gift!)
6 - 'Kildare'
7 - 'Mrs Tiggywinkle' (wanted this fore ages and thanks to a kind forum member am now the proud owner of a few 8))
8 - 'Seagull'
9 - plicatus Byzantinus
10 - 'Pat Mason'
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Pear Drop - favourite of mine, one of the most elegant drops I grow.
Richard, I agree that this is a very good snowdrop, which always sticks out from the rest.
At the 2007 Galanthus Gala, Cliff Curtis told how he had discovered this in the Ketton garden and described it as "a really good garden snowdrop, bulks up well, flowers shaped and hang like a pear drop".
seeing John's post reminded me of a question I've asked a few times but don't think I've had a definitive answer, is the correct name Pear Drop, or Peardrop?
it is a lovely thing.
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is the correct name Pear Drop, or Peardrop?
and is it scented of peardrops? ??? ( British sweets?)
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There is a cultivar offered in the US called 'Babraham Scented' with the description "another of Hector Harrison's discoveries". The name implies it's known for its scent, but it's not in the bible unless it is 'Barbraham Dwarf'. Does anyone know anything about this snowdrop?
Carolyn - a snowdrop named 'Babraham Scented' has been circulating for quite a few years here in the UK (Pattie Peck had it on her 2005 Sales List). In his 2010 Sales List Michael Broadhurst, Ivy Cottage Snowdrops, described it as "An unusual snowdrop that can have a variable number of inner segments. Found in woods near the village of Babraham in Cambridgeshire.”
As you will know from 'Snowdrops - Babraham is also the place where G. plicatus 'Babraham Dwarf' was discovered in 1985 by Robin and Joan Grout.
I have always assumed that 'Babraham Scented' is different to 'Babraham Dwarf', but I have not done a side by side comparison.
I do not know of any connection between 'Babraham Scented' and the late Hector Harrison.
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I suspect Babraham Scented is what I have been given then, not really small enough to be a dwarf anything, does have a strong & very nice scent.
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seeing John's post reminded me of a question I've asked a few times but don't think I've had a definitive answer, is the correct name Pear Drop, or Peardrop?
Richard - wish I could tell you ::) When I first acquired this snowdrop in 2006, it came to me as 'Peardrop', in the transcript of his talk at the 2007 Galanthus Gala it was noted as 'Pear Drops', on Judy's Snowdrops website it is listed as 'Peardrop', the 2011 Harveys Garden Plants Snowdrop List has it as 'Peardrop' and a transcript of Matt Bishops recent talk at the Garden House notes it as 'Peardrops'.
If any one is going to see Cliff Curtis, perhaps they can ask him.
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thanks Chris,
might try and make it for the NGS opening on Sunday.
I suppose it doesn't really matter & is more something I've been curious about for a few years, didn't realise there were more!
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I suppose it doesn't really matter & is more something I've been curious about for a few years, didn't realise there were more!
It would be good to get Cliff to confirm the correct name, so that we can try to ensure that it only circulates under just one name.
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now planning to visit Cliff's place as well on Sunday so will make sure I ask.
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It's a nice day here in Kent today so am hoping to get out with my camera and take some photos before the snowdrops begin to fade.
Incase anyone is interested - I have updated my blog with RHS photos and some film footage (nothing of BBC quality - just my little Flip camcorder) :)
Next I will do a write up on the Benington Lordship daytrip.
Jennie
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I suppose it doesn't really matter & is more something I've been curious about for a few years, didn't realise there were more!
It would be good to get Cliff to confirm the correct name, so that we can try to ensure that it only circulates under just one name.
Cliff gave me his snowdrop at the cottage garden event last week, as a thankyou for his visit to my garden. Wasn't I lucky :D
So it has a lovely honey scent, no hint of peardrops to my nose, and the label, in neat handwriting says ' Peardrop'.
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So it has a lovely honey scent, no hint of peardrops to my nose, and the label, in neat handwriting says ' Peardrop'.
thank you for clearing that up.
not so warm today but warm enough that the flowers were still open early this morning.
my biggest clump of Peardrop
Little John - shame it is a bit floppy.
Cyc Coum & Viridapice
Diggory
rizehensis
nivalis Bitton
ikariae
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Cliff gave me his snowdrop at the cottage garden event last week.......and the label, in neat handwriting says 'Peardrop'.
Jo - this is very helpful - thank you - and ties in nicely with what Janet Lecore has just told me viz when she originally received this snowdrop from Cliff Curtis the label in his garden said 'Peardrop'.
Richard - on this basis, the answer to your original question is that the correct name for this snowdrop is G. 'Peardrop'
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Here's a snowdrops that I havent heard/read/seen much about since I got it.
It's the green leaved G. elwesii Comet x Allenii
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Does anyone grow G. plic. byz. Ray Cobbs Late? My plants are plicatus ??? These may have come from Margaret Owen. They have just come up this week
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I always plant snowdrops at the edge of my troughs. This had come up in the middle which makes me think I recycled the pot contents as trough filler
The outers are 4cm. When open the tips are 5cm apart.
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I'm very excited right now. I've just been to a private estate that is about two miles 3km from my house. I have never seen so many snowdrops in my life. They all look like nivalis. It was too dark to take lots of photos. I was brought by the gamekeeper to see where he had seen bats flying today.
I have to get back before the snowdrops go over.
I was also at the old garden where nivalis x plicatus Marks Tall came from. I found a S. Arnott type of snowdrop. which is now in my garden ::) :D
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This is a nice plicatus seedling that someone gave me a few years back.
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This is a nice plicatus seedling that someone gave me a few years back.
Very pretty.
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I'm very excited right now. I've just been to a private estate that is about two miles 3km from my house. I have never seen so many snowdrops in my life. They all look like nivalis. It was too dark to take lots of photos. I was brought by the gamekeeper to see where he had seen bats flying today.
I have to get back before the snowdrops go over.
I was also at the old garden where nivalis x plicatus Marks Tall came from. I found a S. Arnott type of snowdrop. which is now in my garden ::) :D
Now, that had been something ;D I would rather visit such gardens than watch the World Ski Championship in Oslo right now!
I am still waiting for the first snowdrops to open properly here :(
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I have the opposite of that huge elwesii of Mark's on page 49. This is no bigger than my thumb! It's in a group of what I presume are woronowii.
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Interview with Joe Sharman from 25/2/11 in the FT online.....
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/b9f7f5c2-3ef2-11e0-834e-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1F4gM8YBB
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Interview with Joe Sharman from 25/2/11 in the FT online.....
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/b9f7f5c2-3ef2-11e0-834e-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1F4gM8YBB
Spot the mistake - they describe Galanthus 'E.A. Bowles' as a YELLOW plicatus! I'm assuming they didn't bother sending their story to Joe to be checked for mistakes.
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Wow a shot of the rare krasnovii on John Grimshaw's marvellous blog this morning!
Does anyone sell seeds of platyphyllus or krasnovii?
johnw
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I have the address of the man who was selling krasnovii at the Gala. He must grow from seed?
I bough a platyphyllus at the Gala. When I knocked it out of its pot guess how many roots it had - 0 - if I had known at the time .....
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I have the address of the man who was selling krasnovii at the Gala. He must grow from seed?
I bough a platyphyllus at the Gala. When I knocked it out of its pot guess how many roots it had - 0 - if I had known at the time .....
If you could PM me the address that would be great.
Rootless platyphyllus? Argh. I guess this is when you want to see roots coming out the drainage holes! Is platyphyllus difficult to grow in the UK including Scotland. I'm trying to find species that don't require a good dry summer or baking. How do ikariae and reginae-olgae do in the cool and mist of Scotland's summer?
johnw
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Interview with Joe Sharman from 25/2/11 in the FT online.....
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/b9f7f5c2-3ef2-11e0-834e-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1F4gM8YBB
My goodness, what horrible people there are in the world that they would come and steal from other people's garden and how uncomfortable for Joe Sharman that he has to be so secretive.
Paddy
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Forget the krasnovii what about the yellow plicatus byzantinus - drool drool
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Does anyone sell seeds of platyphyllus or krasnovii?
johnw
There was the person who sold us bulbs of platyphyllus some years ago - except that they were woronowii! :(
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I won't forget the krasnovii but that yellow is superb.
johnw
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Maggie i've had the same,ive also been sold Galanthus ikariae which turned out to be woronowii
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it is depressing, but I suppose that's the downside of keeping stock of valuable plants, it must be heart breaking to see years of work destroyed by thieves.
it is something always in the back of my mind when I label mine each Feb, but I dont have anything very rare, and the things I do treasure aren't labelled.
when he said A Abbey tagged theirs, was he talking about security tags??
Interview with Joe Sharman from 25/2/11 in the FT online.....
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/b9f7f5c2-3ef2-11e0-834e-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1F4gM8YBB
My goodness, what horrible people there are in the world that they would come and steal from other people's garden and how uncomfortable for Joe Sharman that he has to be so secretive.
Paddy
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Maggie i've had the same,ive also been sold Galanthus ikariae which turned out to be woronowii
Davey / Maggi
Dittto here, all surviving ikariae are in fact woronowii!
johnw
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Richard,
I can well imagine that the security of your plants could be a major worry for you with such a large garden and such high numbers of visitors. Some people regard large gardens as free plant centres. On an Irish gardening website recently one person was showing off a plant he had stolen from a garden he had visited. There was a long series of, almost, congratulations for him. I found it unbelievable and despicable.
Paddy
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John W and all ,
I have offered in last year a lot of seeds from my true G.ikariae ....sorry to say but there was not so a big interest ....
Hans
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4311.msg154055#msg154055
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Paddy, I try not to worry about it too much, although I do, short of standing over the plants with a torch there's no way to be sure the plants are completely safe, the alternative is no labels but that's not an option for me, I want visitors to enjoy seeing the different ones growing together.
I have lost plants, including some nice Agapanthus in quite large pots last year, there are some things I have decided to bring home during Feb.
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Hans will you have any in the future?
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Richard,
How can someone walk out of a garden with an agapanthus in a pot? Big pockets?
Our local garden clubs visit our garden every few years and, on one occasion, a lady went around taking cuttings of loads of plants. I shot her and she stopped.
Paddy
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Hans will you have any in the future?
Dave ,
I think this is not a problem -I have really a lot of G.ikariae
I startet my stock with 3 little bulbs in year 1999 ....I have given so many plants away and I still have a lot ....and a lot of seedlings comes up ;D
Hans
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I shot her and she stopped.
Paddy
Crumbs!
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Direct action, Anne!
I shot her a dirty look!
Paddy
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I shot her a dirty look!
LOL LMAO
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A big lol from me too Paddy.
A better way of labelling a rare plant collection might be putting numbers rather than the name of the plant on the labels. As long as you have a reference to these numbers in a book or computer, your plants ought to be a little safer.
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John, I found both krasnovii and platyphyllus easy to accommodate. Needless to say, I don't have them now otherwise I'd send you some! :(
I have the address of the man who was selling krasnovii at the Gala. He must grow from seed?
I bough a platyphyllus at the Gala. When I knocked it out of its pot guess how many roots it had - 0 - if I had known at the time .....
If you could PM me the address that would be great.
Rootless platyphyllus? Argh. I guess this is when you want to see roots coming out the drainage holes! Is platyphyllus difficult to grow in the UK including Scotland. I'm trying to find species that don't require a good dry summer or baking. How do ikariae and reginae-olgae do in the cool and mist of Scotland's summer?
johnw
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A better way of labelling a rare plant collection might be putting numbers rather than the name of the plant on the labels. As long as you have a reference to these numbers in a book or computer, your plants ought to be a little safer.
Very sad when it comes to this - one of my great pleasures during the snowdrop season is to wander around the snowdrops at will, seeing what is emerging, what is flowering etc - with the best will in the world I cannot remember/recognise all of them and I find the thought of having to carry around with me some means of id'ing the snowdrops quite depressing!
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really don't know, it was in an 8" pot, which is why I thought it was safe.
someone was found digging up snowdrops from the moat years ago, apparently that was our fault for not having anything for sale :-\
the annoying thing is if I can I'm more than happy to give/send plants to people, I think some just like to know they've got something for free, that also includes getting into the garden, people trying to avoid paying is an increasing problem.
Richard,
How can someone walk out of a garden with an agapanthus in a pot? Big pockets?
Our local garden clubs visit our garden every few years and, on one occasion, a lady went around taking cuttings of loads of plants. I shot her and she stopped.
Paddy
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John, I found both krasnovii and platyphyllus easy to accommodate. Needless to say, I don't have them now otherwise I'd send you some! :(
Why thank-you Anthony. ::) ::) ::) ;)
Seriously now, I know you wouls.
Do you think then think these species more suited to a cool climate than ikariae & reginae-olgae?
Hope you and yours are safe in NZ, a terrible calamity there. Sounds like Lesley has jobs for you already.
johnw
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Hi All
Few shots from my garden over the last few days....
1) helen tomlinson
2) lapwing
3) green hayes..there is some green there (honest)
4) spindlestone suprise
5) little ben
6) mighty atom
7) primrose warburg
Take care...
Warren
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Great photography Warren. Your yellows are spectacular and that Spindlestome Surprise is beyond belief. Wish our yellows were as electric.
johnw
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Great photography Warren. Your yellows are spectacular and that Spindlestome Surprise is beyond belief. Wish our yellows were as electric.
johnw
Thanks John
My wendy's this year seen far less yellow than last...strange how that works...!!
Warren
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A lovely selection, Warren, all looking very healthy and in top condition.
Paddy
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It's raining in Belgium all night & day, time for serie 2:
All snowdrops with a male name
1. Bill Bishop
Chris Brickell named the plant after he received bulbs sent by the late Bill Bishop from his garden at Putley, Herefordshire. The name was first published in the 1998 Snowdrop catalogue. Readily to identify by its (very) large outer segments.
2. Hill Poë
A double discovered by James Hill Poë under a walnut tree near the dining-room window at his home at Riverson, Eire in about 1911.
(on the picture with 3 outer segments, usually 5)
3. Hugh MacKenzie
A late flowering nivalis raised by David Baker. The outer petals are apple-green on both surfaces for the lower two thirds of their length, with a white tip and edging. (not on the picture: inner petals have a thick green W mark).The effect is of a very 'green' snowdrop.
4. Reverend Hailstone
A large, early flowering hybrid found at Anglesey Abbey and named after the rector of the time at the local church.
5. Richard Ayres
This full double was found by Richard Nutt in 1987 at Anglesey Abbey and named by the National Trust for the former Head Gardener. Original described as having 4 outer segments but their number ranges from 3 to 5 (on the picture 3 outers).
6. Robyn Janey
A hybrid with normally two flowers per bulb, long pedicels and very long claws. Really distinctive with 2 elongated eye spots.
7. Ronald MacKenzie
An unusual snowdrop with richly yellow ovary: the markings at the base and apex of inner petals are also yellow, striking against the pristine white of the outer petals.
8. Wilhelm Bauer
A. G. nivalis ‘Scharlockii’-type found by Rudi Bauer at the Eifel, Germany. It is named after Rudi Bauer’s father.
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Freddy - Splendid shots and I appreciate the time you take to give us a little summary of the cultivars.
Robyn Janey is new to me, very nice eyes.
johnw
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Back from Carole and Cliff's NGS openings, weather was very nice first thing & hoped to beat the rain on the way home stopping at Carole's but it was already raining quite heavily when I arrived, real shame as I didn't get much opportunity to take photos, is a lovely garden, will try again next year.
came home with some nice bits inc replacements for some I had lost, Modern Art and Tubby Merlin, and a very nice gift from Cliff of "Cliff Curtis", was great to finally escape Benington and see so many nice plants.
South Hayes
Sally Ann
Priscilla Bacon
Mrs Wright's Double (think is right, forget to take pic of label)
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Thank you for the last series of pics.
Warren, a very nice group of LAPWING. Do you have all put in a tunnel???
Freddy, what kind of camera do you use ;)? Good pics.
Richard W Priscilla Bacon has good puckered tepals, looks very elegant!
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Yesterday in our garden: snow and drops
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At last a day in our own garden! The predominant note seems to be green, and variations thereon.
Firstly nivalis 'Prague Spring' a selection by John Morley from a wood in Prague.
Hugh Mackenzie, shown before today
Cowhouse Green a suffolk snowdrop I think
and virescens just coming out
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...and the variations?
Miss Adventure has a white spathe, in a group (mine will eventually clump up I hope) this makes it look very floriferous
June Boardman named for his wife by Bill Boardman of Bergh Apton, a surprise flower in a clump of plicatus
Corrin one of Rannveig's selections
Fieldgate Forte from Colin Mason
All Saints seen at the gala in Richard Hobb's talk
and Cordelia from the Greatorex stable of snowdrops
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Oh Brian, your galanthus world has a big green factor. Super.
When I see these pics I will not wait much longer until the begin of the season
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Oh Brian, your galanthus world has a big green factor. Super.
When I see these pics I will not wait much longer until the begin of the season
Yes Hagen, I am trying to find more of the green ones having seen the super pictures on your website, I hope you don't have to wait too long for the beginning of your season.
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How do you keep Snowdrop Company snowdrops alive. I stopped ordering because snowdrops were always small and weak
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How do you keep Snowdrop Company snowdrops alive. I stopped ordering because snowdrops were always small and weak
I've had no more trouble with their bulbs than anyone else's Mark. Generally repotted immediately on arrival and given TLC until established seems to work :)
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Oh my Brian - what beauties! It is nice to see a photo of Hugh Mackensie opened up - what a beautiful snowdrop. I did choose that one on my order this year and I am sure I will not get it - infact I hope I do not get it as the worry of keeping it alive would put years on me!! One day I hope to collect some of those gorgeous virescents but I think I need to learn how to take care of my collection properly first. This year has been stressful to say the least :) My thanks to everyone for their advice - it is all in a folder on my computer and I just need to work out what steps to take and in what order.
Beautiful, beautiful Brian
Jennie
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Beautiful, beautiful Brian
Jennie
Yes he is, isn't he Jennie? ;)
jonw
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Hagen all mine are out in the garden...mainly in lattice pots...two main sizes 2.5 litre and the big 10 litre.
The more posts I read on drainage the more grit I seem to add... :o :) probably by 2015 they may be in 100% grit...!!
Freddy love the shot of hugh mackenzie
Paddy thanks for the comment
Warren
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Beautiful, beautiful Brian
Jennie
Yes he is, isn't he Jennie? ;)
jonw
Aw shucks :-[ It ain't me it's the 'drops :o
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Beautiful, beautiful Brian
Jennie
Yes he is, isn't he Jennie? ;)
jonw
Aw shucks :-[ It ain't me it's the 'drops :o
;D ::) >:(
Got a bit carried away! :)
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I took a few photos the other day on my larger camera and was able to zoom in without laying on the ground.
Here are a few:-
1. Armine
2. Blonde Inge
3. One of my double Hellebore seedlings
4. Another of my Hellebore seedlings
5. Angelique
6. Hellebores and snowdrop clumps
7. An un named plicatus (but I am worrying it is virused)
8. A very shy Grumpy!
Jennie
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Very nice Jennie, that border looks nice ;)
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Wow a shot of the rare krasnovii on John Grimshaw's marvellous blog this morning!
Does anyone sell seeds of platyphyllus or krasnovii?
johnw
I saw two people walking around with krasnovii clutched in their mits in Germany - didn't get a chance to find out where or who they came from - but lovely flower (and distinct enough to attract my attention - VERY nice 8))
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A better way of labelling a rare plant collection might be putting numbers rather than the name of the plant on the labels. As long as you have a reference to these numbers in a book or computer, your plants ought to be a little safer.
Avon bulbs had their small stock of 'Green Tear' labelled with just a number last year and some ****** still stole it. :-X
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Here's a New Jersey Galanthus.
Think it is G. elwesii
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It's raining in Belgium all night & day, time for serie 2:
All snowdrops with a male name
Hi Freddy
Great pictures. And thank you for coming and saying hello to me on Saturday in Germany - it was very nice meeting you. 8)
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That is awful and low. How can people live with themselves.
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Green Tear was stolen while Avon staff were away for the day.
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At least I am safe with my snowdrops - with all the various ailments they seem to have - no one would want to nick 'em :)
I now have concern over the Armine that I posted earlier as it has brown tips. Here are a few more pics - wonder if any of these are poorly?! There is a brown spot on Little Magnet, not sure if that indicates stag?
Here goes:
1. Clump of Bill Bishop
2. Blewbury Tart
3. Little Magnet (with brown spot on flower)
4. Nivalis thriving in our unkempt woodland area with no problems whatsoever ???
5. Scilla with long name (it is on the actual photo). I like this in with the snowdrops, very pretty blue
6. Spindlestone Surprise
7. Trymlet
Jennie
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Green Tear was stolen while Avon staff were away for the day.
I assume they were all at a show and the nursery was shut. Was Green Tear all that was taken? If it was, that would suggest it was specifically targeted by someone knowledgeable who waited for a show day and slipped in when no-one was there. Not likely to be a random visitor who found the place empty, unless they took other snowdrops too.
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I saw two people walking around with krasnovii clutched in their mits in Germany - didn't get a chance to find out where or who they came from - but lovely flower (and distinct enough to attract my attention - VERY nice 8))
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That was me John, but i thought you could recognise me by now ;D
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Of course I recognised you Gerard - but it was who the krasnovii came from that I was uncertain. ;)
Lovely flower shape on them 8)
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we're now closed, almost 6000 visitors over the three weeks but has taken its toll, paths all chewed up & mud everywhere, don't think I've ever seen it so bad :'(
pic of Cliff Curtis before I find it a home.
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A few photos from Colesbourne last week along with a few from my own collection.
The first two are to show Emma that her snowdrop is doing well and multiplying nicely. My only regret is that I didn't take a photograph showing the whole clump as it really is doing well.
The next two show Green Brush. The flower is a little dirty but they do show the outer markings quite clearly.
Corrin, Megan, Bloomer and Jonathan are all mine and seem to be doing well. I know that this is no guarantee of success but I hope that they continue to prosper.
Cheers,
David
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Of course I recognised you Gerard - but it was who the krasnovii came from that I was uncertain. ;)
Lovely flower shape on them 8)
A guy called Rudi Bauer sold them for a fair price compared to the Dutch price if you can buy them!
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A little clump (is that the correct word) that I came across on Saturday whilst out birdwatching
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5258/5481996354_6d65e7d338.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/e-bygum/5481996354/)
Snowdrops - Attenborough NR (http://www.flickr.com/photos/e-bygum/5481996354/) by nick_the_grief (http://www.flickr.com/people/e-bygum/), on Flickr
We have a small copse near where I live but the weather has been abolutley rubbish to take photo's and it is about 2 acres of snowdrops this time of year... I live in hope!
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Were the snowdrops in the picture seen here http://www.attenboroughnaturecentre.co.uk/ , Nick? I used to live a few miles away, although that was quite a long time ago now. Snowdrops (in the UK) are usually an indicator of former human habitation.
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Hi Alan,
YEs it was there.
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Nick you aint that far from me.Fellow midlanders love em ;D
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I'm a bit further now DaveyP it's about 40 minutes from here to Attenborough but we have a few new members in the Bridwatching club so we took them there as it's close & good. Now I know where it is I'll be going back so I'll have to look you up next time 8) I'll bring my trowel :P
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A few photos from Colesbourne last week along with a few from my own collection.
The first two are to show Emma that her snowdrop is doing well and multiplying nicely. My only regret is that I didn't take a photograph showing the whole clump as it really is doing well.
The next two show Green Brush. The flower is a little dirty but they do show the outer markings quite clearly.
Corrin, Megan, Bloomer and Jonathan are all mine and seem to be doing well. I know that this is no guarantee of success but I hope that they continue to prosper.
Cheers,
David
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Thanks David for the photo ;D
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The first two are to show Emma that her snowdrop is doing well and multiplying nicely. My only regret is that I didn't take a photograph showing the whole clump as it really is doing well.
It's a very distinctive snowdrop, that one. I cannot help feeling it has had a raw deal in being denied a name when snowdrops in general are being named willy nilly.
Very nice to hear from you again, David. We've been missing your contributions to the forum.
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The first two are to show Emma that her snowdrop is doing well and multiplying nicely. My only regret is that I didn't take a photograph showing the whole clump as it really is doing well.
It's a very distinctive snowdrop, that one.I cannot help feeling it has had a raw deal in being denied a name when snowdrops in general are being named willy nilly.
I too think that this is a lovely 'drop.
Is is too late to register it as 'Emma Thick'? ???
PS: New March Galanthus thread now open.
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Trying to see what happens when I upload my first photo.
Visited Colesbourne last week to see the presentations by Melvyn Jope and Rod Leeds.
And what a lovely day...
Regards, Malcolm.
PS. Maggi, by searched through the archives for loading photos and drew a blank. So here goes...
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Once again (a little bigger?)
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This thread may help Malcolm...
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=65.0 .....but you've cracked it with your first picture!
You could make the picture a bit bigger if you like.... about 760 pixels wide.
Aha, as I posted this.... you discovered bigger! You may post up to 10 pix in each post.... by continuing to click the browse button under Additional attachments, wioth a maximum picture size of 500kb but tthat big is not necessary.... you'll see lovely photos 760 pixels wide that are around 100kb .
Lovely to see "you" too, in your avatar. 8)
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And a couple more...
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Glad you got to Colesbourne David - looks like it was a nice day. Suprising how well their plants are lasting when all mine are going over rapidly. :-\ I've not been to Colesbourne since 2008. :'(
Thanks also to Malcolm for you Colesbourne pictures - some great photos of snowdrops in the sun.
Good to have you posting in the Galanthus area Nick. :)
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Thank God it's now March!!!!!
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Ron Mackenzie describes Rodmarton Arcturus as having two spots over the sinus and a bold mark at the base, which doesn't match the photo on the AGS report.
Martin - you were spot on with your observation - it seems that the gremlins crept in when Ronald Mackenzie wrote the catalogue description. After making enquiries, I can confirm that all of the stock of 'Rodmarton Arcturus' is as seen at the RHS Show - the description, as recorded by Joint Rock, and the herbarium specimen, will be correct.