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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: YT on January 26, 2011, 08:19:36 AM
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2011 blooming season has started :)
Scilla ingridiae, from JJA Seeds (Original collection: Turkey, Adana, N of Saimbeyli. 1300m. Ex R.& R. Wallis 93-33). It was identified as Scilla siberica subsp. taurica when I bought the seeds in 2004. It's a real tiny and lovely gem 8) The scale unit is mm.
The description has been changed on newest Jenny's seed list as below!
874.009 : SCILLA INGRIDIAE (S. ingridiae var. taurica, S. siberica subsp. taurica)* Turkey, SE of Kahramanmaras. Ex. a N. Stevens coll. (This collection has been attributed to S. leepii and we have listed the R. & R. Wallis 93-33 collection from an adjacent area as S. siberica subsp. taurica. We believe it is now correctly identified. A seldom-collected, little species, edemic to the upper drainage of the Tigris, with up to 6, usually single-flowered, slender, 5cm.scapes rising from each bulb to carry flowers with lilac-blue segments with darker midribs. A lovely, early & long-flowering pan-plant.)
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2011 blooming season has started :)
Scilla ingridiae, from JJA Seeds (Original collection: Turkey, Adana, N of Saimbeyli. 1300m. Ex R.& R. Wallis 93-33). It was identified as Scilla siberica subsp. taurica when I bought the seeds in 2004. It's a real tiny and lovely gem 8) The scale unit is mm.
Excellent picture, although plant is small. My first opinion was - Scilla armena for which 1 flower per stem is usual, but then noted that leaves are short, in armena they are longer at blooming time. My ingridae usually has 3-5 flowers on stem as you can see on attached picture from previous spring (stock from near Gezbeli pass, deep clay, at roadside from 1930 m and higher to melting snow ~ 2100m; under Juniperus and open spots). For first flowers here still left at least month. Here is only snowing and are beat all records. Last days I was again closed in for two days by uncleaned roads. Hope to first blooming after month or even later.
Janis
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What a nice start of the Scilla season.
@YT a nice little you have there.
@Janis, is the colour in the picture true? A very bright blue. But a fantastic one.
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Among the first signs of spring awakening, several Scilla mischtschenkoana (or tubergeniana) have started to open their first flowers immediately as they sprouted from the ground. A wonderful and most welcome sight, as early as end January!
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Janis, thank you very much for details and picture of your ingridiae. Did you collect the plants by yourself? It seems yours has broader perianths and larger flowers than mime. Here is a picture of same pot taken last season. My plants tend to have a few flowers per stem in later season. I’ve already ordered S. armena to your nursery this year, so I’ll be able to compare both in same growing conditions here next season ;)
Now, I have to thank sunny winter here and am hoping you have not so heavy snow at your place…
Uli, thanks ;D
zephirine, nice herald of spring (bit early?)! The bright pollen colour makes good contrast with light blue perianths :D
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Tatsuo, I like the top-dressing on you pot, looks very natural, a nice backdrop to those little blue gems.
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As this morning here is minus 24 C you can understand that no one flowers are picturable. So I'm showing few pictures of Scilla armena. 3 are from wild, one from garden. Note few special features of it:
1) Leaves at flowering time equal or longer than scape
2) each scape bears only 1, rarely 2 flowers, but it is compensate by number of scapes from well grown, good size bulbs
3) very special shape of flower, especially recognisable in first days of blooming.
Janis
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Janis, thank you very much for details and picture of your ingridiae. Did you collect the plants by yourself?
Yes, this Scilla ingridae stock was collected by myself + Arnis & Henrik. It was very hot day when we reached the pass and I stood at our car to guard it but my colleagues went up to mountains up to snow level. From top they brought down few flowering plants but at road under large Juniperus I collected few Scillas in seeds (and some Corydalis) as it was much lower altitude. This allowed to check the seeds and so to identify the plants in situ. This species grow well, every year set a lot of seeds. Color on picture is true. At that spot we collected fantastical small Muscari, most likely new species, grown by us under nickname "miniarmeniacum".
Janis
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Mark, it's a kind of pumice collected at Kyushu island, Japan. It's useful for telling me watering timings by changing its colour as you can see a picture below ;D
Janis, I just remember your book ‘Buried Treasure’, the story when you spot the S. ingridiae, ‘mini-armeniacum’ and Corydalis tauricola :) I'm also keen interested in your so-called ‘mini-armeniacum’ ;)
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Scilla libanotica from JJA seeds has just started to bloom today :) Original collection: Lebanon, East of Beirut, Tarchich. Damp, shady, rock crevices. Ex R.& R.Wallis 99-04.
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Superb plants YT, Zephirine and Janis!
Here a wonderful plant which came from Jenny Archibald last year: Chionodoxa cretica 'Melvyn'
(following world checklist of RBG Kew Scilla cretica)
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Scilla libanotica from JJA seeds has just started to bloom today :) Original collection: Lebanon, East of Beirut, Tarchich. Damp, shady, rock crevices. Ex R.& R.Wallis 99-04.
I have the same plant in flower for at least two weeks now.
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Hans, what a precious and tiny gem :o Thank you for showing :)
Luc, yours look much larger than mine and better flower forms with broader perianths :o ;)
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Hans, what a precious and tiny gem :o Thank you for showing :)
Luc, yours look much larger than mine and better flower forms with broader perianths :o ;)
I agree the Chionodoxa cretica from HansA is lovely.
Tatsuo, is it not simply that your flowers are just openig while Luc's are fully developed?
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Tatsuo, is it not simply that your flowers are just openig while Luc's are fully developed?
Absolutely right Maggi.
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Tatsuo, is it not simply that your flowers are just openig while Luc's are fully developed?
Here are the pics of same S. libanotica plant and pot 5 days later than my previous post. Its flower stalk height was only less than 6cm even in its full blooming. I sowed seeds in autumn 2004 and the plant started to flower 3 years ago. Bulbs seemed well fat when I transplanted them into larger pot last summer ??? My growing skill is not enough? Climate? Or anyother reasons?
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Climate and light levels, I'm sure.... the lower light levels for Luc so his are taller.
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Climate and light levels, I'm sure.... the lower light levels for Luc so his are taller.
Thanks Maggi ;) I agree that’s the major reason. I’m always asking to myself how should I do for keeping my plants in their best. So I tend to look for the reasons (something negative) on my skill and it make me feel uneasy…stupidly :-[
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Tatsuo,
Given some of the wonderful things you've posted pics of in the forum.... I somehow doubt you need to be worried about your plant growing skills. :o Not in the slightest.
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Climate and light levels, I'm sure.... the lower light levels for Luc so his are taller.
One more thing. My plants are flowering for a longer time than those of YT, see the leaves, and they did start with flowers only 3-4 cm high, that elongated afterwards.
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Some scillas flowering in the greenhouse now: Scilla aristides, Scilla gorganica, Scilla khorasanica and Scilla libanotica-
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Hi, Kirsten, what a pretty selection. Good to see we are all getting some spring joy from the little plants.
We made it up to 8 or 9 degrees C here the other day... it's 2 degrees today.... things are improving!
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Paul and Luc, thank you ;) I'll keep and develop my plans as far as I can :)
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Kirsten those are very nice. A couple of more common ones flowering with me.
Scilla bifolia two forms
Scilla ingridae
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Tony, nice scillas ;) The bifolia from Greece looks like "var. taurica".
Here are lovely pink Scilla bifolia 'Chris Favourite' :)
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I could get hooked on Scillas
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Does anyone know what Scilla this is? It started flowering in mid February.
In the last two photos the green stemed flowers are S. sibirica
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To compare Mark
one Scilla siberica
two and three Scilla cilitica
they flower both now here
Roland
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Is there somebody who recognises this Scilla
Peter Moore from the Cyclamen societe grows them
but has no name and he doesn't know where he got it from
Roland
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Superb Plants!
Scilla greilhuberi started fo flower, here a seedling which germinated in the middle of an Iris clump.
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Great plants from all,
Roland, Peter Moore's Scilla is S. libanotica,
it lacks a bit of light therefor leaves look a bit weedy.
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Another genus to seek out :o I had no idea there were so many beautiful scillas
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I grow all my Scillas out in the garden and they have barely started growing. Very late spring here this year. But to bake my potatoes when the fire is going I am showing the last Scilla to flower in my garden, S liliohyacinthus, often flowering in May. Picture form last year!
I think this is one of the greatest of all squills - at least in my garden ;)
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A lovely scilla, Hoy. How tall does it grow?
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A lovely scilla, Hoy. How tall does it grow?
It grows to about 25cm and does well in shade (the broad leaves show that it is a shade-loving plant).
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I know these are not that uncommon, but they really do put on a good show for us and seed around nicely too. Scilla misetc. Never could spell the name.
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Scilla misetc. Never could spell the name.
Scilla mischtschenkoana, you mean? Lucky you, they have been renamed! Does Scilla tubergeniana sound any better for spelling purposes? ;o)
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That's very interesting. At the AGS Early Spring Show at Harrow last Saturday, the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew, had a display with a fantastic S. mischtschenkoana as a focal point. They probably consider the original name valid, as is the convention.
Here a quote from Paghat's Garden which explains the naming of this plant:
'Tubergeniana' Early Scilla, or White Squill, has the Latin name Scilla mischtschenkoana, but is most commonly distributed as
S. tubergeniana, as though that were its species name.
It is not a cultivar, but is a wildflower of Iran & southern Russia. 'Tubergeniana' is nevertheless a popular nickname, to make up for an unpronounceable Latin name. The nickname is after the Dutch bulb company Van Tubergen, which introduced this species to western gardens in 1936.
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Scilla mischtschenkoana is the name by which it goes now. S.tubergeniana has been superseded. Easier to spell though.
We also have a fair number of patches of Scilla bifolia rosea which seems to be easier to get than the straight S.bifolia in its blue form.
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This doesn't flower now, but I have forgotten the name. Is it Scilla litardierei?
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Looks very much like that one
The old name was brimeura
see: Scilla litardierei (http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scilla_litardierei)
Roland
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My usual runner is Scilla mischtschenkoana but this year it is planted in greenhouse something shaded by large trees and so it isn't so warmed up than others. So first scillas with me are Scilla bithynica and form (subsp.?) of Scilla sibirica collected in Georgia during joint Swedish-Latvian-Georgian trip organized by Tbilisi Botanical Garden Local Flora laboratory and financed by Gothenburg's Botanical garden. It looks very similar to form selected by Arnis Seisums and offered by P.C. under name S. sibirica 'Indra' (Arnis' wife). It has dark leaves and dark stem and is very floriferous.
Janis
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The Scilla bithynica R2CV-014 -01 looks gorgeous
the picture is perfect
Roland
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Janis beautiful scilla.here are two of mine
Scilla armena very long and leggy with me ,not enough light.
Scilla bifolia
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Some more cheap and cheerfuls.
Scilla siberica
Scilla siberica alba which will go out in the garden next year.
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David
Beautiful close up from your Scilla siberica alba
Roland
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Thanks Roland. It's only when you see it in close up tht you realise what a beauty it really is.
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Its one of the problems by selling this one
the normal picture does not look attractive
till you have them in the garden
Roland
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Here one I have received as Scilla natalensis (now Merwilla plumbea) from South Africa - second is Scilla peruviana.
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I read somwhere that tubergeniana was a clone or strain introduced by v Tubergen.
But because of the difficult spelling of Mizwhatsitsname the name took over.
Like "a Vespa made by Lambretta" as an old Swedish police report had it.
Göte
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A lovely scilla, Hoy. How tall does it grow?
smile and you can get one or two
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Scilla mischtschenkoana - how do I say it?
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mist-sjenkoana
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A scilla I collected on the Zigana Pass in Turkey in 1993
Scilla sp.
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nice colour Tony
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Lovely Scilla Tony.
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wolf whistle - it's a beauty
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Scilla mischtschenkoana - how do I say it?
I would offer Mischenkoana with ch more palatalized than in English. For us it is easier than Tubergeniana. Actually, Mischenko is a rather typical Ukranian surname, widespread also in Russia. The enigmatic thing is why so many consonants. We use only one Мищенко, not 6 of them as Mark has shown
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I have four of this good white Puschkinia. I will send two away for /chipping/twining
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Any Idea how many young ones this will give
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Chips - 4, 6 or more. Twinscales maybe 30
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Will be a long time before there are 1000 FS bulbs
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Very true but first I need to get extra stock. Maybe chips will flower quicker.
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Scilla bifolia var taurica 'Pink Kubalatch' - phantastic plant, found by Dima
Scilla sibirica, most likely new subsp. Note color of leaves.
Janis
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Scilla bifolia var taurica 'Pink Kubalatch' - phantastic plant, found by Dima
WOW! What a flower :o :o 8)
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:o :o :P :P
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What a flower...and what LEAVES on the other!!!
Outstanding.
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Scilla bifolia var taurica 'Pink Kubalatch' - phantastic plant, found by Dima
With Janis, it is always the same.
Every time you think there is nothing more left to look at, because you have already seen the most beautiful of all plants, he comes up with something that is even more stunning and beautiful :o
Just one question, Janis:
What is a "Kubalatch"??
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Its a mountain
kubalach (http://www.crimea.edu/eng/crimea/sights/landscap/mauntain/kubalach/full.html)
Roland
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Looking at the clumps of Scilla sibirica in the garden yesterday I noticed these. Now I have only planted sibirca and not the white one either. Anyone seen this before? Not sure if it is Winter weather or environmental, except that there are three or four separate bulbs of these colour. There are also a pair of purple ones, rather than the normal deep blue, but the camera does not want to pick up that colour.
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Looking at the clumps of Scilla sibirica in the garden yesterday I noticed these. Now I have only planted sibirca and not the white one either. Anyone seen this before? Not sure if it is Winter weather or environmental, except that there are three or four separate bulbs of these colour. There are also a pair of purple ones, rather than the normal deep blue, but the camera does not want to pick up that colour.
Populations of S.s can be quite variable. Also I have variations between ligt and dark forms but usually not as wide spread as these. I try to collect unusually dark or light forms and vove them to separate places. Usually they keep the colours.
Göte
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On the subject of white scillas, I have a white form of Scilla messeniaca. In the general picture below the leaves are particularly gross as they are growing in low light (as this species normally does in the wild). In brighter light they are better but still to my mind slightly too big for the flowers.
I'm sufficiently old-fashioned to think that - S. mischtchenkoana notwithstanding - scillas ought to be blue, but as the close-up below shows this form is perhaps redeemed by the dark blue anthers!
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What a stunner. Where did you buy it?
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Scilla mischtschenkoana - how do I say it?
I would offer Mischenkoana with ch more palatalized than in English. For us it is easier than Tubergeniana. Actually, Mischenko is a rather typical Ukranian surname, widespread also in Russia. The enigmatic thing is why so many consonants. We use only one Мищенко, not 6 of them as Mark has shown
I know something about alphabets and languages, so I'll try to explain. (I can't claim the credit, though, since this is information that I read in Wikipedia articles.)
The difficulty is the Russian or Ukrainian Cyrillic letter щ in Мищенко. In English, щ is written shch, because in older Russian and in Ukrainian today, the letter is pronounced that way.
(In modern Russian, according to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shcha), the letter is pronounced as a long palatalized shsh, but if we spelled it that way, it would be similar to the letter ш, which is written as sh.)
In German, English shch becomes schtsch, because sh is written as sch and ch is written as tsch. So Mishchenko in English becomes Mischtschenko in German.
So, the Russian or Ukrainian letter is written in German with seven letters, but with only four in English. But in reality, both spellings represent only two consonants. English uses two letters for each, while German uses three and four. Written in Czech spelling, you can see them: Miščenko.
So, the way I remember to spell Scilla mischtschenkoana is to break it up: misch-t-schenkoana. Or I tell myself, it's just another way of writing mish-chenkoana.
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I think that the photographs below show scillas. Which species, I'm afraid I don't know but I'm sure someone here will inform me - please do. I'll post a photograph of a single plant first and then show some of the views from Mount Usher Gardens in County Wicklow, Ireland, which I photographed yesterday. I cannot exaggerate the big stretches of blue which were in the garden. These were complimented by large stretches of Anemone nemerosa and all were interplanted with varieties of narcissus.
Paddy
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Paddy,
amazing garden. That is a dream :o :o :o
To me it looks like S. biflora.
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Armin,
Many thanks for the identification, much appreciated.
Of the garden, I can only say that I have shown just a few views of many, many other such scenes. These blue stretches will be followed by the while of our wild garlic - considered a weed here but a lovely plant and edible.
If you ever come to Ireland and can only visit one garden, then this is the one to see. It is the perfectly quintessential Irish garden, the perfect example of a "Robinsonian" garden - in the style of William Robinson. At all seasons it is a joy to visit. Yes, I adore it and visit often even though it is an hour and a half away.
Paddy
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Paddy,
I visited Ireland several times in the past but always business related. It is a wunderful green country. But unfortunately I never had time to stay there long enough to visit the botanical highlights. Maybe one day... ;) :D
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Great pictures of a superb garden Paddy, thanks for sharing them. I wish it was nearer ;)
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Thanks Gabriel
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Usually we are reporting about nice flowers and success, but sometimes I think it would be good to share information about possible problems in garden. Last spring, when Henrik Zetterlund visited my nursery, he spotted out one pot with beautiful and well looking Muscari, with only some black dust (soot) on leaves. He touched the spike and I saw how very fine powder falls out of flowers. So I for the first time saw the fungal disease which Henrik named as Bellevalia & Muscari "flower-soot" which he first saw on B. pycnantha about 25 years ago. It doesn't destroy the plant, but makes it sterile as instead of pollens the anthers produce this soot. The black powder on leaves is the single symptom on Muscari. I immediately destroyed this pot and carefully checked all other Muscari - fortunately no one more showed symptoms.
This spring I was surprised seeing one pot of Scilla bithynica with smaller flowers and black anthers. When I touched this - fell off known before from muscari black powder and then I note deformation of petals, too. So carefull checking of all Scillas followed and I found one pot with S. sibirica caucasica with similar symptoms. They all immediately were mowed to fireplace. Unfortunately I maid picture only from bithynica, was so shocked, that didn't pictured caucasica flowers, but symptoms were similar - deformed petals (although of normal size), fat black anthers issuing very fine black powder.
I immediately sprayed all my plantings with combination of Tilt + Carbendazim - so future pictures can be with some whitish spots on leaves. Tilt is against rust. Henrik suppose that it is some phase of rust (rust fungus has 4 different stages and different spores), but I more think that it could be some of little known fungus from Fumago/Capnodium complex, but my knowledge about those pathogens are 40 years old (when I was student). May be someone of you know something about this disease?
I will post the same on Muscari pages, too.
In attached picture infected Scilla bithynica, may be it came with infection from wild as I saw in wild large populations of Fritillaria, Erythronium, juno Iris with heavy infection of rust.
Janis
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Janis this is very interesting. Here is my Scilla sibirica Penza (picture taken in 2006) with the same thing (Janis, they came from you in 2005). I didn't realise this was a fungus and thought the plant had black pollen. The plant is still alive (and I think I still have a pot of them) so presumably it can live with the fungus, but I will give it a anti-fungal spray. HansJ have you still got yours?
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Yes, it looks infected. Problem is that PENZA stock has naturally black pollens, but here you can see black powder on leaves and anthers are "fat". I'm growing Penza only outside and never noted something similar, but it is so ordinary plant, that little attention is given. Will check my plants this spring.
Just destroyed one pot with Scilla rosenii Alba which I got last year from Czech Republic - wanted to cross it with my stock of Alba. So it shows that this infection can be much more widespread, but growers simply didn't give attention. Really I noted it on rosenii Alba only for black color of anthers because healthy rosenii alba has yellow anthers. There were no deformation on flower segments.
It seem that this infection really belongs to Ustilago family. There are several species attacking grain crops and many ornamentals, but they were little explored when I was student and now I didn't find any information about them in my literature. So may be some systemic fungicide used for grain crops can help.
Janis
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With great help from Suzan, I found (really Suzan found) article about this fungal disease. From that article I made small extract about the subject. As it is just article relating of systematic topic, I added my opinion how to work with it. Fortunately now we have new systemic fungicides used by farmers on grain crops, which may be will work on bulbs, too.
This patogen belongs to the genus Vankya quite recently seperated from Uromyces, which is quite common disease on various grain crops. I suppose that now Uromyces are regarded as patogen of Dycotylodens and fungus infecting monocots (most of bulbs etc.) now is renamed as Vankya. So I think that systemic fungicides used against Uromyces (by old system) can be useable for bulbs, too. Follows extract from original article (VANKYA VAILLANTII (USTILAGINOMYCETES) ON SCILLA IN CENTRAL EUROPE.) Once more - many thanks to Suzan!
Vankya vaillantii (Tul. & C. Tul.) Ershad (Urocystales,
Ustilaginomycetes) is a parasitic fungus
affecting members of the genera Albuca, Bellevalia,
Chionodoxa, Eucomis, Hyacinthus, Muscari,
Puschkinia, Scilla, Urginea and Ornithogalum
pyrenaicum L. worldwide (Vanky 1994). The
fungus systemically infects anthers of host plants.
The anthers are enlarged, olivaceous-brown, with
sori producing a dark olive brown powdery mass
of spores. Distributed in areas with generally
warm climate in the floodplain woods.
Janis
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See http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7016.msg194984#msg194984 for more about the article Janis cites above.
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Ustilago maydis, the one that attacks corn, makes a delicious edible mushroom considered a delicacy in Central America...
Aaron
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Few Scillas for today from last week pictures.
Janis
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Few more scillas
Scilla gortganica WHIR-093
2 pictures of Scilla khorasanica, both from Iran (WHIR-033 and WHIR-039)
One of two Central Asian scillas - S. puschkinioides
Scilla rosenii Alba - perfectly replaces from seeds - no one seedling are of other color.
Janis
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Hi all ,
here are some pics of a unknown Scilla - I have collect this seeds before some years in Northern Spain ( Picos de Europe ) - here now first flowers
When I found it I was thinking it is Scilla hispanica .....but now I'm struggle :o
Has maybe anyone a idea ???
Thanks
Hans
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Scilla lilio hyacinthus
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Muchos Gracias !
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Few more scillas
Scilla gortganica WHIR-093
Hello Janis
What color is Scilla gorganicain generally? The WHIR-093 form is light blue. I have a white form, see picture posted on 24 February, which I have from Gothenburg Botanical Garden. I also think to remember that you for some years ago had a picture of a white S. gorganica on the cover of your catalog.
Edit by maggi: see Kirsten's photos here : http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6583.msg188670#msg188670
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Few more scillas
Scilla gortganica WHIR-093
Hello Janis
What color is Scilla gorganicain generally? The WHIR-093 form is light blue. I have a white form, see picture posted on 24 February, which I have from Gothenburg Botanical Garden. I also think to remember that you for some years ago had a picture of a white S. gorganica on the cover of your catalog.
All plants collected by me in Iran are with light bluish flowers. I suppose that usually they are blue, such I saw in Jim's (?) collection, too. White stock I originally got from one botanical garden and multiplied by base cutting. In season when I offered it (and showed on my catalogue front cover) all bulbs completely were eaten by rodents in bulb shed. No one left! But remained a lot of seeds which now reached "one year before blooming" stage. As then I had only white form, I hope that at least some seedlings will be white. At least seedlings of isolated grown Scilla rosenii Alba are all 100% white. Hope the same with gorganica. Yours white is fantastic! More compact then I had, but may be growing conditions are different. On front cover was picture from small bulb, much more compact than normally it is.
Janis
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I planted this one bulb of Scilla lilio-hyacinthus 'Albus' a number of years ago and it has never increased. However, it has flowered annually and survived neglect and being overgrown with weeds. One of my tasks for this spring is to clear away some of it's competititors to see if it will produce some offspring. I also grow the standard blue form but while that has produced some offsets I haven't had a flower from it in the last 3 years.
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Scilla bifolia self seeds a lot but I like it anyway. I often discover some flowers that look different from the rest, maybe crosses with chionodoxa?
Scilla rosenii has opened it's buds. I hope it will self seed all over :)
Scilla bifolia pink and blue
Scilla bifolia white
Seedlings
Scilla rosenii
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Here's a multi-scaped Scilla peruviana. Is this usual?
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Here Yes
but the next scape's are much smaller
Roland
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Thanks, Roland.
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I bought these as Scilla rosenii some years ago. Can anybody confirm the name or it is something else?
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Looks like what I have as Puschkinia scilloides var. libanotica
There is a picture of Scilla rosenii in one of Ian's bulb logs;
http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2006/260406/log.html
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Take a look at the stamens, they are not like the Puschkinia!
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Hoy, it looks like Scilla mischtschenkoana.
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I bought these as Scilla rosenii some years ago. Can anybody confirm the name or it is something else?
It is Puschkinia scilloides. May be Scilla mischtschenkoana (tubergeniana). Sorry for late reply, only today returned from Chios and Samos Islands.
Janis
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Doesn't Puschkinia have a fused ring of stamens in the center, as in the photo below (Puschkinia scilloides var. libanotica, or so I believe it to be)? (I would love to know if this is a reliable characteristic or not for distinguishing Puschkinia and Chionodoxa.)
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Trond's plants don't appear to have this. To the inexpert eye (i.e. mine :-[), they do look like a bluish and slightly lankier stemmed form of S.mischtschenkoana than what I have.
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Seems the jury is still out! At the moment I think I place my money on S mischtschenkoana ;)
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Here is a picture of the Puschkinia scilloides I grow. The stamens form a small tube as Lori also showed in her pic. I find the names of these small spring bulbs confusing. Not only is there a Puschkinia scilloides but also a Scilla puschkinioides, a tiny insignificant Scilla with blue pollen.
Puschkinia scilloides
Puschkinia scilloides 'Alba'
Scilla puschkinioides
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Scillas may be slightly variable or...
The first is a S rosenii fron Janis. I have the same from Potterton & Martin as they were at that time.
The second is from AGS seeds. the are all alike so they are probably not hybrids but they look slightly more "siberian" to me.
Third is Siberica alba as found in West European gardens with reflexed petals.
Fourth is the same but of Russian origin.
Both are smaller than the normal blue.
Comments anyone??
Göte
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Scilla litardieri grown from AGCBC seed 1482, no year recorded.
johnw
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Scilla litardieri grown from AGCBC seed 1482, no year recorded.
johnw
A real beauty John but is it litarderii?? it does not look like the supposed litarderii I have got.
Göte
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A sweet little flower, John. Maybe a brimeura ?
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Agree with Gunilla. It looks a brimera of a fantastic colour. Gote's plant is Scilla litardieri
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A sweet little flower, John. Maybe a brimeura ?
Gunilla et al - I was rather shocked when this flowered as I thought it looked a bit like a Brimeura. I tried to search litardieri on the SRGC but nothing came up yet I recall someone posted a shot recently. I will re-label it Brimeura. Would you think it is amethystina?
Do others have problems with the search function? I got no results from a search for non-scripta either.
johnw
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Here are my Brimeura amethystina and Scilla litardierei both grown from seed. Hope the names are right.
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Agree with Gunilla. It looks a brimera of a fantastic colour. Gote's plant is Scilla litardieri
Thank you
Good to have a confirmation
Göte
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Autumn Scilla in the garden and in the glass house.
1. Prospero autumnale
2. Scilla intermedia
3. Scilla numidica
Poul
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Some Scilla flowering today
Scilla lingulata ciliolate
Scilla intermedia
Scilla numidica
Poul
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A rather poor example of Scilla lingulata compared with the previous post, but I have been pleased to see these reappear outside on the edge of our sand bed after the severe winter weather we had last year. It really is a very delicate and pretty little plant to see at this time of year, but it would be nice to have just a little more show of those soft-blue flowers!
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Hyacinthoides (Scilla) aristidis in flower today. It is not usually this early (January is more typical). Not complaining :)
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Very nice Darren!
In a coldframe or a glasshouse in winter?
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Hyacinthoides (Scilla) aristidis in flower today. It is not usually this early (January is more typical). Not complaining :)
What a lovely sight in the gray and dark winter - and well grown too!
Poul
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Thanks guys!
It is in my glasshouse - like lingulata it will just about survive outside but the leaves get really badly damaged in our wet & windy winters.
Here is a wider picture which shows the neighbouring plants - including a lovely late form of Cyclamen cyprium which was a gift from Tony Willis.
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There are some real beauties in this topic. Full points at present though to Darren's Hyacinthoides (Scilla) aristidis. Those blue stamen are striking. Must be amazing in person. :o
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Thanks Paul and it is :)
I'm happy at the early flowering because it usually flowers just when the light is at its most feeble and etiolates badly. It is much better behaved this year. Sadly I don't get seed as this potful is all one clone and does not seem to be self-fertile.