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Specific Families and Genera => Amaryllidaceae => Topic started by: Renate Brinkers on January 24, 2011, 08:20:11 AM
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Hi to all,
this year some of my Hippeastrum papilio started the season with wonderful flowers. while the last one is still flowering the first one seem to set seed :)
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lovely to see and a beautifull picture Renate
Do you know if papilio is a hybred or not?
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Hi Renate ,
my compliment !!!
you are really a "master" gardener ;)
Hans
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Peter,
H.papilio is a species which grows naturally in Brazil. It forms giant bulbs, much bigger than the bulbs of all other species I know. My biggest ones have a diameter of 10 cm.
There is a clon, sometimes called Butterfly on the market which is said to be steril. I do not know that for sure, I don´t have it. Butterfly is only the english name for papilio, not a real Hybrids name, more a market name.
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Hans,
to much honour - sometimes you have luck!
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Thankyou Renate
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Beautiful Amaryllis Renate :o How do you grow it ? I have had four bulbs for seven or eight years but they have never flowered :-\
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Hello Fleur Bleue,
What I do with hippeastrum is based on a chance trial. I've been offered one 3 years ago but didn't know what to do with it after the flowers had gone. I put it on my balcony and fed it like my other plants. The leaves didn't decide to wither during summer. Ät the gates of winter I had no will to bring it indoors because it was not particularly ornamental. There it stayed until Xmas. But I had some remorse and finally decided to give it a chance: I cut the leaves ( which had been damaged by the cold ) tidied it and repotted it. Then came the BIG surprise: a flowering stem! And this fairy tale has been reproduced every year. But I protect the pot from very low temperatures until Xmas time. My balcony has a south-west exposure.
Good luck to everyone
J-P
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Nicole,
thank you.
I keep it in the house the whole year because most time it is too wet outside - or too cold.
In summer they have the normal room temperature and I they get fertilizer weekly. In autumn I place them in a room where the temperatures are between 15° and 18° - it seem to prefer it not as warm as other Hippeastrum. From autumn I reduce fertilize and give it only every two weeks to three weeks. Usually in December they start to flower and need weekly fertilizer again. I made the experience that Hippeastrum need lots of fertilizer and since they get it they grow very well for me - not all of them and not always but much better than before *smile*
Wich ones do you grow?
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Thank you Renate :D I grow a large bulb of Hippeastrum Apple Blossom, flowering each year in January - February (I have just pollinated its flowers with a paintbrush) and four bulbs of H. Papilio which have never flowered ; they all spend summer outdoors before I put them in my dining room the rest of the year but I think now may be I have not fertilized them enough ???
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Okay, it's Hippeastrum season so here I go!!!!!!!! :)
Hippeastrum 'Moonlight'
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5201/5316453400_6b0de78398.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshy46013/5316453400/)
Hippeastrum "Moonlight" (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshy46013/5316453400/) by JoshY46013 (http://www.flickr.com/people/joshy46013/), on Flickr
Hippeastrum 'Ieniemienie'
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5201/5331028458_4aeb4aa6b6.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshy46013/5331028458/)
Hippeastrum 'Ieniemienie' (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshy46013/5331028458/) by JoshY46013 (http://www.flickr.com/people/joshy46013/), on Flickr
Hippeastrum 'Lemon Sorbet'
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5245/5330418525_9aeb432665.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshy46013/5330418525/)
Hippeastrum 'Lemon Sorbet' (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshy46013/5330418525/) by JoshY46013 (http://www.flickr.com/people/joshy46013/), on Flickr
Hippeastrum 'Tiramisu'
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5088/5333328291_28df6eb7a1.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshy46013/5333328291/)
Hippeastrum 'Tiramisu' (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshy46013/5333328291/) by JoshY46013 (http://www.flickr.com/people/joshy46013/), on Flickr
Hippeastrum 'Zombie'
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5201/5349186017_16fccc4a31.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshy46013/5349186017/)
Hippeastrum "Zombie" (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshy46013/5349186017/) by JoshY46013 (http://www.flickr.com/people/joshy46013/), on Flickr
Hippeastrum 'Sydney'
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5250/5349797148_983b4520fb.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshy46013/5349797148/)
Mislabeled Hippeastrum (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshy46013/5349797148/) by JoshY46013 (http://www.flickr.com/people/joshy46013/), on Flickr
Hippeastrum 'Lady Jane' & 'Gervase'
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5008/5377458295_dd3f9d36d6.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshy46013/5377458295/)
Hippeastrum 'Gervase' and 'Lady Jane' (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshy46013/5377458295/) by JoshY46013 (http://www.flickr.com/people/joshy46013/), on Flickr
Hippeastrum 'Ruby Star'
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5013/5390070739_aa253762bd.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshy46013/5390070739/)
Hippeastrum 'Ruby Star' (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshy46013/5390070739/) by JoshY46013 (http://www.flickr.com/people/joshy46013/), on Flickr
Hippeastrum 'Flamenco Queen'
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5135/5408700412_3c2b0219f0.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshy46013/5408700412/)
Hippeastrum 'Flamenco Queen' (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshy46013/5408700412/) by JoshY46013 (http://www.flickr.com/people/joshy46013/), on Flickr
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Josh,
fine hippeastrums. My favourite is 'Ruby Star' ;D ;D ;D
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Excellent pictures of some very dramatic flowers!
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I'll second that for both Luc and Gail
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I love Tiramisu et Ruby Star above all these nice Hippeastrum :o Where do you have found them ?
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I grow my Hippeastrum papilio a bit differently.
They summer outside all summer and endure our wet summers. I have them in clay orchid pots with vertical slits in the sides of the pots. I water when we don't have a good rain. I feed with seaweed meal mixed with some dolomite limestone and gypsum. I do take time to accustom them to bright summer sun over the course of several weeks. I've had them get sunburned.
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Arnold, under South American conditions, papilio is dormant in summer and flowers in spring when the foliage is completely developed.
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Alberto:
Is that your summer or mine.
The plant is in full flower now. I will eventually put it outside in full Northeast USA weather. Watering three to four times per week.
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Arnold, it is an autumn/winter/spring grower independently of the Hemisphere. Dormant in summer without leaves.
Winter is mild with very light frosts.
If winter is not mild enough the plant will revert to a summer grower but it is interesting to know how it really grows in the wild.
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Interesting. My plants stay green throughout the summer and into fall. I have to force them into dormancy in September. I put them in a cool basement and take out when the flower spike appears. The one small bulb is now two flowering size bulbs and a number of offsets. I probably picked it up at a PBS BX distribution.
Regards
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Arnold,
My papillio still have a full complement of leaves at present (height of summer), although they aren't looking exactly brilliant. Even with our level of frost, mine keeps some of it's leaves in winter. I think normally there aren't as many leaves as this year (we've had a mild summer mostly, except for the last few weeks), but it is definitely a predominantly autumn and spring grower for me. I've had it flower a couple of springs, but not the last couple. I think it has ended up too shaded where shrubs have now grown up. I am guessing it is time to move some offsets into a more sunny position and see how they go. ;D I would like it to recommence flowering as I just love the flowers.
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I have grown my papilio as spring-summer-fall growers with enforced dormancy in winter. They survive, but I must admit that they bloom only occasionally. I've seen papilio grown outdoors year-round in Stellenbosch (winter-rainfall area, South Africa) and in central Florida south of Orlando (USA). They all looked bigger and healthier than mine do. Mine live year-round inside the Clivia greenhouse.
Most of my spring Hippeastrum species blooms are already past for this spring. Still going are lots of punicum that look like they might be hybrids with something else.
Jim
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Hippeastrum Aulicum.
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Hippeastrum.
A red of unknown heritage.
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I grow my Hippeastrum papilio a bit differently.
They summer outside all summer and endure our wet summers. I have them in clay orchid pots with vertical slits in the sides of the pots. I water when we don't have a good rain. I feed with seaweed meal mixed with some dolomite limestone and gypsum. I do take time to accustom them to bright summer sun over the course of several weeks. I've had them get sunburned.
Arnold, I have had bad luck over the years growing Hippeastrum outdoors. Too many of them have caught plant viruses after a summer out in the open, so now I keep them inside a greenhouse year-round. My crinums and nerines spend their summers outdoors, and if they get viruses they don't seem to show it. It may be that, after 30+ years growing bulbs here, my place has a resident infection with plant viruses that other places won't necessarily have.
I agree that Hippeastrum can take a lot of water during their growing season. When I did grow some of them outdoors in summer they were in a lath house with overhead sprinkling system that watered automatically 2 or 3 times per week (rain or shine -- not a sophisticated control system).
Jim
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Jim, difficult to give advice to an expert, but I would stop nitrogen in any form so mosaic shows up in the foliage and the "culprits" can be sorted out.
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An Unknown Hippeastrum Collected In Quillabamba, Peru
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3365/5713671878_c5a1fdbddf.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshy46013/5713671878/)
Hippeastrum sp. Coll. Quillabamba, Peru (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshy46013/5713671878/) by JoshY46013 (http://www.flickr.com/people/joshy46013/), on Flickr
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2623/5713671546_5b00febd77.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshy46013/5713671546/)
Hippeastrum sp. Coll. Quillabamba, Peru (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshy46013/5713671546/) by JoshY46013 (http://www.flickr.com/people/joshy46013/), on Flickr
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A Beautiful red tone Josh!
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Strange pics may not be liked by everyone. I want to share one.
Here is a painting looking pic. It was taken at twilight without flash. It is a Hummingbird in the H. Aulicum.
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An amazing picture :o
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This is the first Hipp of this year....I don't know it's name. I thought in Vittatum, but I've doubts...
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Seems to be the real vittatum, a very rare species in cultivation.
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Lovely Hippeastrum Cris. 8)
Well, I grew H. vittatum from seed more than 15 years ago with not a single flower to this day - am I dumb or what? ::) ???
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i've bought this one as vittatum... isn't it?
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Probably not vittatum; almost certainly a hybrid. My own vittatum has so far never bloomed.
Jim
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I agree with Jim, this is a hybrid.
Jim, I think they require a lot of sun to bloom properly or at least that is what I've been told, where are your H. vittatum from?
Josh
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I got this one from Kelly Irvin in 2004, Josh. I have some much younger vittatum bulbs from seed from Mauro Peixoto in a different greenhouse, and all of them are in partial shade. Maybe I should move some out into full sun and see what happens (will they bloom or get virus infections first?)
I got rid of all the vittatum I had many years ago, since I suspected all were hybrids of various sorts.
Jim
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Jim, sadly that's the problem with leaving plants outside :( I have a few from Mauro as well and they seem to be doing quite well. Do you know where Kelly got his H. vittatum? His plants are much different than anything I've seen, they're very interesting!
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Josh:
Kelly is a he!
Arnold
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Josh:
Kelly is a he!
Arnold
Thanks Arnold :) hehe!
Did your Rauhia wake up this year? Mine are starting!
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Jim, vittatum has a white ground with red stripes. It is Peruvian, not Brazilian and very uncommon in cultivation although someone recently showed on in flower at this same forum.
If you sprinkle with systemic insecticide granules, there is no reason why you will have sucking insects. A useful tips from commercial narcisus hybridizers is to grow plants that are very attractive to aphids like cereals, (barley is the plant commonly used) and treat these with systemic insecticides on a regular basis. This way aphids never reach your valuable plants. And if you fertilize these, they become irresistible to them.
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Jim, vittatum has a white ground with red stripes. It is Peruvian, not Brazilian and very uncommon in cultivation although someone recently showed on in flower at this same forum.
If you sprinkle with systemic insecticide granules, there is no reason why you will have sucking insects. A useful tips from commercial narcisus hybridizers is to grow plants that are very attractive to aphids like cereals, (barley is the plant commonly used) and treat these with systemic insecticides on a regular basis. This way aphids never reach your valuable plants. And if you fertilize these, they become irresistible to them.
Alberto,
I'm a bit confused, the plants found in Brazil are actually other Hippeastrum than H. vittatum? This is one of the problems with the genus, many plants are considered a synonym for H. vittatum and are named wrongly! H. canterai, H. guarapuavicum and H. harrisonii are all said to be synonyms but it's hard to know what is true unless some DNA work is done for proof..
According to Kew tho H. vittatum is found from S. Brazil to Argentina (Misiones).
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My H. vittatum plants I grew from Chiltern Seeds' seeds, so they may very well turn out to be hybrids - but they won't flower! ::)
P.S. I just picked this up in another thread where Ray was saying, about Peruvian Daffodil (Clidanthus): "It seems to me that to get these to flower they must have a good source of potassium, dry winters, no frosts and hot summers."
It's worth a try!
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H. calyptratum, open for business - extremely odd, but quite enthralling!
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I agree, Odd but enthralling! Beautiful!
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H. calyptratum, open for business - extremely odd, but quite enthralling!
Beautiful plant :) Is it Autumn where you are?! I haven't been able to get my H. calyptratum to bloom!? How do you grow yours!?
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Is it Autumn where you are?!
Autumn it certainly is - nearly winter, but our winter is very mild by European standards.
How do you grow yours!?
H. calyptratum is an epiphyte in nature so needs a very 'open' medium in a pot or basket. I water and fertilize normally through the summer months and lower the frequency during winter months. My plant/s flower regularly at the first signs of autumn.
I have a batch of seedlings coming on from last season's seed - they are very vigorous and free of problems (accept for their nemesis: the Amaryllis caterpillar!).
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Rogan, your plant flowers at the begnning of the growth cycle.
I never understand why Amaryllis caterpillar is a problem since systemic insecticides are so easily obtained.
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I never understand why Amaryllis caterpillar is a problem since systemic insecticides are so easily obtained.
I have a garden full of wildlife and try to avoid using pesticides at all costs; I try and dispense with pests by mechanical means (a boot!), but don't always succeed and therefore pay the price. :(
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Rogan, no need to spray them from a plane! You can use spot control, meaning that you can spray those plants known to be susceptible and at the times of the year the pest appear. Absorption is complete in two hours so after 3 hours or so you can water the plants with pure water. Impact on wildlfe can be minimum, if any (other than the amaryllis caterpillar wildlife!!!)
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Thanks Alberto, I guess you are right - I must stop complaining about Brithys pancratii and just protect my plants properly.
By the way, I've had very good success with the Rhodophiala "Granatiflora" (?) seeds you sent me some years ago; they haven't flowered yet but are growing very strongly - I have managed to keep Brithys off them so far... Maybe flowers next year? 8)
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The tip for Rhodophiala is replant each year more deeply to speed their maturity. It is positively stunning!
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The tip for Rhodophiala is replant each year more deeply to speed their maturity. It is positively stunning!
Alberto i have some Rhodophiala montana seedlings that are 3 year old now,when you say deep,what depth would be best?
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Just an example, we grow ours in containers 40 cm. deep. Adult bulbs of several species "travel" rapidly to the bottom of the pot. 20 cm. of neck would be a minimum.
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I use mainly clay pots, I buy pots 10 cm wide x 20 cm deep from "terrapot", which are working well for Tulips and Irises. I also use a lot of pots from B&Q which are 22cm wide and 30 cm deep, Homebases version of this model was more expensive and less robust. The dimensions are internal ones.
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I use mainly clay pots, I buy pots 10 cm wide x 20 cm deep from "terrapot", which are working well for Tulips and Irises. I also use a lot of pots from B&Q which are 22cm wide and 30 cm deep, Homebases version of this model was more expensive and less robust. The dimensions are internal ones.
Cheers Peter for that.
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What a beautiful show of Hippeastrums we see here.
I have a 25cm pot planted with Hippeastrum Papilio currently with at least 8 smaller baby bulbs around it. I removed four flowering size bulbs during the past two years but even those bulbs are very vigorous growers and multipliers. The one bulb has produced seven smaller bulbs in about 14 months. The mother bulb is almost 10cm in diameter and all the bulbs are evergreen. They occasionally lose an old leaf on the outside. The leaves are harder and thicker than any of my other Hippeastrums. I grow them where they receive full sun until about noon but move the pot too part shade in high summer. This photo was taken when some of the bulbs flowered during October last year.
(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o149/loevenstein/IMG_2809.jpg)
(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o149/loevenstein/IMG_2808.jpg)
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Heinie, you live in bulb paradise! ;D
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Congratulations Heinie! 8)
Hope we will see a full flower bunch of Hippeastrum Papilio soon :)
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Here is flowering for me a Hippeastrum from this Sonatini hybrids :
'Balentino'
Enjoy
Hans
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Here is Hippeastrum papilio x brasilianum blooming!
I have an H. bukasovii that's starting to open :) Will post pictures in a few days I'm sure!
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very elegant flower, Josh! 8)
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Here is a different view :) It's beautiful, sadly it doesn't carry the scent of H. brasilianum but it is semi-trumpet form :)
Thanks Armin!
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Its a beauty anyway:D
How many flower stems emerging from your bulb? 3?
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Armin,
I see another forming so yes, three in total! Usually it flowers four per scape, we will see what the next two yield!
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Hippeastrum bukasovii! How beautiful it is in person!
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Hippeastrum bukasovii just opening!
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Josh,
first time I see a flower of this species. Wow - impressive and interesting form of the stamens 8) :o
What diameter has one flower and what height has it in total?
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Armin,
Thank you! The stamens hadn't matured yet which is why they look the way they do, once open the pollen is yellow.
I'm not quite sure of the size of the flower, I will measure it this evening once I'm home!
Josh
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It is really a beauty Josh!
Congrats!
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Thank you Santiago, it is truly one of my prized possessions!
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Hippeastrum bukasovii just opening!
Josh
very nice
now I have an idea, of as it could be mine seedling, in future ;D
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here flowers Hippeastrum papilio :
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Beautiful Hans, is this a seed grown plant?
Alessandro, thank you for the compliment! Isn't it exciting to see a first bloom when you've waited so long!?
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Thank you Josh !
I have bought this bulb before some years ...
From PBS I have also a plant which is seed grown ...but until no flowers