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General Subjects => General Forum => Topic started by: Renate Brinkers on January 23, 2011, 08:58:45 PM
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Hi to all,
these days I got a wonderful picture which I want to share with you. It is worth to have a look at this.
http://bibdigital.rjb.csic.es/ing/Libro.php?Libro=3573&Pagina=32
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What a find, Renate........ and they say this man was a genius of plant painting. Now you have found the picture you must find the plant... I will buy two dozen! ;D
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Maggi,
please send me a blanco cheque and I will think about a price ;D
And please, be patient, could take some years or so...
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I understand the need for patience, Renate.... I will send you my husband's bank details... after all, you need to eat while your work continues.......... ::)
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Mmmmmmmm
Then you could produce a Narcissus with actual cyclamen-type leaves. No problem I'm sure to the computer-literate.
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Maggi,
your are really ful of understanding.
Lesley,
a good idea - when I make it good someday I also will be prominent as a plant painter.
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Renate ,
you have to find this plant and multiplicate it !!!
Hans
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Hi Renate and all members. I and Hans had a very strong discussion about this plant and at the end we thinks it is a rare cross involving Narcissus jonquilla (for the leaves), Cyclamen for the shape of the flowers and Galanthus for the white color with green basal marks of the petals: what do you think? ???
Alberto
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Yes, Alberto, I think you have good reasoning there but what about the root part? This is a rhizome like a trillium, is it not? So, a quadrigeneric hybrid :o
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Maggi, if you look at the cyclamens they can have short/long stems spreading from the bulbs, just like in this fantastic picture!
Alberto
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Oh yes, that is true, the growth stems are like that... but I see no corm... it's a rhizome, I'm sure!! Besides, I am sure Renate is going to charge the price for a quadrigeneric hybrid now, anyway ;D ;)
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Maggi and all !
maybe this is something like a "Wolpertinger" ?
Hans
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Does this plant inhabit the alpine forests of Bavaria too?
Alberto
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Alberto ,
I think yes ....maybe it is the main food for the Wolpertinger .....after eating this plants the animals changed the habit !
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WOW :D this is an amazing discovery! I knew Germany is full of strange people, animals and plants! ;D ;)
Alberto
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Alberto ,
I think yes ....maybe it is the main food for the Wolpertinger .....after eating this plants the animals changed the habit !
Hans, this may be a great subject for a clever student to make a thesis for a PHD degree. I suspect you may have found some secret there for the genetic changes.
I am not so sure that the plant can be found in Bavaria, however. I think the Italian who painted the plant must have found it in Italian hillsides and it is simply that the Wolpertinger is now more widespread in its distribution, while the plant has retreated.
What a delight it is that we are able to indulge in these specialised and esoteric debates in the Forum. I am willing to bet there is no other Forum where such a discussion would take place.......... ::)
Edit: come to think of it, the first wolpertinger paintings were by Albrecht Dürer - a German genius.... maybe the plants can be in Bavaria after all!
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This new and amazing plant is REALLY going to upset those who say that with DNA testing, all plant knowledge is now extant, nothing more to be learned!
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Maggi, I am very sorry but the plant can be found, if it still exists :'((if Renate has not collected all of them to sell to us to high prices), on the border of Germany with France (Icones plantarum Galliae rariorum).
Ciao
Alberto
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Still searching the plants I found some informations about it:
The first description says it was found from Mr. Olivier in the forests between Arcs und Draguignan.
http://maps.google.de/maps?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&hl=de&rlz=1T4GGLJ_deDE311DE311&q=les+S%c3%a8ouves%2c+Draguignan
The first description is from Lamarck and DeCandolle, 1805
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Yes, when I found it I will multiplicate it but as you all know: These quadrogeneric´s are really difficult in cultivation and multiplication and so the price will be surely a bag of Euro´s - or more!!!
But that is not really a problem, I got your bank dates and so, you can be calm, everything else I will do ;D
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Hans,
maybe a Wolpertinger has been there and brought some seeds to grow it in Bayerischer Wald! So, if you ever are there, find a Wolpertinger and you will find the plant.
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Alberto,
the strange animals, plants and especially the strange people are the reason why you are dreaming of living in Germany!
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Maggi, I am very sorry but the plant can be found, if it still exists :'((if Renate has not collected all of them to sell to us to high prices), on the border of Germany with France (Icones plantarum Galliae rariorum).
Ciao
Alberto
Of course! Icones plantarum Galliae rariorum I am not following my own advice.... C'è spesso un indizio ;)
Yes, Lesley, a cat among those pigeons! ::)
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While searching the internet for Cyclamen linearifolium I found an article (http://www.deepdyve.com/lp/edinburgh-university-press/has-there-ever-been-a-yellow-cyclamen-aDXuMybrOX) which mentiones this mistake as well as a yellow cyclamen. Unfortunately only the first page out of five of this article is for free. But this might be of some interest.
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There is also an article mentioned to C.linearifolium at Cyclamen Society from D.Clos
Clos D. (1893). 'Le Cyclamen linearifolium DC., simple anomalie pédonculaire du C. europaeum L.' Bull. Soc. Bot. France XL, 24
There will be soon an articel about the story as fas as it is known today from the Gartenbotanische Vereinigung (in German), incl. the first description and some further informations.
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Here is the link for the Clos article:
- [Clos 1893] D Clos, Le Cyclamen linearifolium DC., simple anomalie pédonculaire du C. europaeum L., in Bulletin de la Société Botanique de France vol. 40, 24-26. 1893 http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/8662#page/24/mode/1up
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Why do I have the feeling deep in my soul that the story of this cyclamen will bear marked similiarities to the story of the Haggis, its origins, habitat, lifestyle and associations both in the wild and in captivity, with humans? ::)