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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: David Nicholson on January 23, 2011, 05:23:16 PM
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Some readers may remember my previous posts about my Daphne bholua "Jacqueline Postill" which I bought, I think, in 2008 and took ages to begin to look as though it was going to succeed in my garden.
Below is a pic I posted in January 2009 when Michael Campbell told me not to worry and to feed it around April time each year. The second pic shows it again in July 2009. The third pic shows the same plant today but so far, although it has grown well, it didn't flower in 2009 or 2010. So I have added a pic of a bud because I don't know if this is a flower bud or another leaf bud. Perhaps the experts could advise please.
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I had Jacqueline Postill for several years and it flowered from the second year, very early in the spring. If I remember right the flower buds were showing at this time of the year but I lost my plant last winter when the soil where it stood froze a foot deep. The leaves and the stems survived the cold but not the roots.
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David, that looks like a flower bud. 'Jacqueline Postill' plants are largely from micropropagation & I have heard that these tend to be shy-flowering compared with plants propagated by grafting (or cuttings ~ v. tricky with Daphne bholua). I have a seed-raised bholua which has largely been killed by the recent frost & snow, temperatures down to -12 degrees C here.
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Malcolm, thanks for that, I do hope it is a flower bud. I haven't noticed any graft mark on my plant so it could well be a microprop. It has coped very well with the last two winters (lowest -8C) and in one of the windiest parts of the garden too just a couple of leaves have looked sickly and I removed those.
Thanks also to Trond.
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David, the flower buds on all my Daphne bholuas are well advanced and very obvious, already bursting and showing colour, and even a few flowers out. It looks to me like you won't be getting flowers this year. Maybe a little potash or a high-potash feed like phostrogen might help.
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David mine was a similar size last year and had one flower on it. This year it is smothered so be patient and, as Martin said, give it a treat.
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Thanks Martin and Brian. I take it you both think the buds on mine are leaf and not flower bulbs? I've fed it with Tomorite for the last two years but I will be more patient.
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No, I wouldn't have said they were flower buds. They all seem to be at branch tips and look more like leaf buds. Any flower buds would really be starting to burst by now. It's probably just been putting on some growth in response to your feeding. Maybe a bit less feeding now. It looks very healthy and strong now. Probably flower well next year.
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Thanks for that Martin. I hope it flowers next year otherwise hard decisions may need to be taken :(
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It should do. The bholuas are usually pretty free flowering. Or at least all of mine are, and I have a fair few.
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Hi -- I do not know if this the right place to ask for information on a Daphne. I received some seed in the exchange of Daphne mahoniana, and I can not find any type of information about the plant. Maybe one of you on the Forum is growing it, and can tell me what it will look like, hardiness and any other pertinent information. Another seed exchange also offered the seed, possibly from the same donor. Thank You
Marianne
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Hi Marianne, I grow and propagate quite a few Daphnes but I have never herd of that one, that doesn't say it does not exist. Just wondering if it is a spelling mistake, which I am prone to making on a regular basis. ;D
It may well be a new introduction, or an old one that escaped me. :)
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I see that seed of that name has been offered by several organistaions over a few years.
It was #1237 in this year's SRGC List. According to the mark beside the name it was an unverified name. :-X
Stuart's notes say : About the list
Again the RHS Plant Finder1 is my primary information source for avoiding duplicate entries under different
names, and redirecting arrows are used to help those who still use an old name. Species not in the Plant Finder
(there is a version on the internet) are checked with the IPNI website2, and if not found there or by a wider search
(googling) they are marked †.
I will try sending a message to Stuart Pawley to see if he can cast any light on the donor.
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Thank you Maggi and Michael. I noticed the mark next to the name, also checked with a friend of mine who is a Daphne grower. It will be interesting to see what turns out, if it germinates.
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The Daphne mahoniana is maybe misspelled and must be D. maloniana, a quite valuable species
from the Balkan as I have heard from friends. Sorry, no personal experience with this species.
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Thank you, Rudi. It is probably the case that some handwriting was mistaken.
I did ask Stuart Pawley if he could identify the donor to see if we could find more that way but he told me today he is busy at the moment.
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Only three weeks early this year due I suppose to our warm weather that also brought out two bumblebees
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Mark,
SO cute and fuzzy!! ;D Nice Daphne mezureum as well. 8)
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Question Guys,
I'm starting to pull together a list of "wants" (or should that be needs ;D) and one of the plants I fancy is Daphne petraea graniflorus ( sorry if I spelt it wrong) any idea where I can track one down?
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Thanks Paul but I cant take any credit. It was planted and left to look after itself. If you want some seeds just ask
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Mark, lucky boy,
What a beautiful big-flowered form, has it a special cultivar name?
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Rudi if you seeds I can look for some under the plant. I saw seedling today
This year I must give it a small trim because all flowers are at the stem tips. I need new growth at the botton also
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Rudi if you seeds I can look for some under the plant. I saw seedling today
This year I must give it a small trim because all flowers are at the stem tips. I need new growth at the botton also
Mark, be careful!
In my experience D mezereum don't like trimming and don't regrow from the base very well.
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OK thanks. Can I nibble the tips?
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OK thanks. Can I nibble the tips?
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I think they're poisonous, Mark!
;D
cheers
fermi
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If you try to nibble you have to spit out quickly! Still you will get a burning astringency in your mouth and feel suffocating. I friend of mine once tried ;D - he survived.
I think however the shrub tolerates it better than you ;)
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I would nibble with secateurs like a deer
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Deer with secateurs! :o OMG if they learn to use shot-guns it would make hunting season very interesting!
;D ;D ;D
cheers
fermi
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Too valuable for nibbling - Daphne blagayana "Brenda Anderson", now in full flower.
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Ah, Rudi, I think I can even smell the fragrance from here..... 8)
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Too valuable for nibbling - Daphne blagayana "Brenda Anderson", now in full flower.
Very nice Rudi , this one is also flowering here. Both the usual blagayana and the cultivar .... ( the first planted in the peatbed and the other one in a trough)
I like this Daphne and find it also valuable because the early flowering.
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Brian Mathew mentions in 'The smaller Daphnes' that this plant is a compact form of D.blagayana,
introduced by the late Brenda Anderson in 1975 from Montenegro. I personally prefer these plants, because
the usual form is too leggy for my taste.
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I personally prefer these plants, because the usual form is too leggy for my taste.
I agree with you Rudi ... First I had the usual form. Only later I could purchase ' Brenda Anderson '. I could not throw away than the normal form. He is now in my peatbed and regularly pruned.
'Brenda' is happy in a trough.
Here a picture of today of the usual form..
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Daphne x hybrida is flowering for a rather long time (October to April).
The leaves of Daphne odora ‘Rebecca’ have been damaged by frost.
None of both species are really hardy in Belgium.
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Daphne acutiloba 'Fragrant Cloud' is a species from China and like the clone name says the plant scents my front garden at the moment. The plant is about 1 meter tall.
Daphne 'Serendipity' is a D. collina seedling and will become about 60 cm tall. The picture has been taken of a spare plant in my green house.
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I was astonished about this floriferous small cutting of Daphne calcicola
from last year.
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A little plant with a big heart, Rudi!
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Ah, Rudi, I think I can even smell the fragrance from here..... 8)
:P :P :P
I wish my Brenda Anderson was better. It's a sprawler, only has leaves at it's tips but flowers really well. Is it missing something?
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Here are two pictures of the flowers of Daphne glomerata and Daphne petraea 'Michele'.
D. glomerata is a species from Turkey and the Caucasus.
D. petraea 'Michelle' is the most vigorous form of the petraea clones (I have).
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My Brenda Anderson
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Wow, what a colour on Serendipity!! :o I also love the delicate shading of 'Michele'.
Thanks for showing us.
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A few of mine starting to flower.
Daphne Kilmeston beauty
Daphne Napollitana stasek
Daphne x Mauerbachii Perfume of Spring
Daphne Collina
Daphne Mantensiana Audrey Vokins.
Daphne Napolitana Enigma
Daphne petraea Lydora?
Daphne Rollsdorfii wilhelm Schacht
Daphne Rosy Wave.
Daphne x susannae Cheriton
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The last one especially for Lesley. :)
Daphne x burkwoodii Golden treasure
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What a lovely collection Michael. Do you grow all your collection in pots? Will they outgrow pot cultivation at some stage?
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I have about 200 in pots David, a lot of them are stock plants that I use for grafting material. Those that get too big for the pots are planted out in the garden or brought to the shows or alpine weekends for disposal.
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wow Michael!
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That's a WOW from me as well.
Angie :)
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And a triple Wow! Wow! Wow! from me too!! :o
I have definitely got to track down petraea by the looks of it. Not something I've ever found available here in Australia, but I am visiting a garden in the blue mountains in a couple of weeks that sells some miniature Daphne, so I can but hope she might have some for sale. Fingers crossed!!
Thanks for the pics, Michael. 8)
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Well thank you Michael. I'll be very happy to accept this one, especially if you'll deliver it today. I'm making scones this morning. Will you have tea or coffee?
Pleased to see 'Wilhelm Schacht.' Alas my own tiny plant died before it flowered. I hope my generous donor will do another cutting for me. ::)
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A few more. Daphne 'Zdenek Seibert' is a hybrid between D. cneorum and pseudosericea.
Daphne circassica is a species from the Caucasus mountains.
An unnamed clone of Daphne gemmata. D. gemmata belongs to the Wikstroemia "section".
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Wonderful Daphnes everybody !
I think I might be growing the smallest Daphne shown on the Forum so far... ;D
Planted out in Tufa since earlier this week : Daphne petrea grandiflora
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Daphne gemmata 'Sceringa'
D. x hendersonii 'Kath Dryden'
D. x thauma
D. x rollsdorfii 'Arnold Cihlarz'
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At the other extreme to Luc's little grandiflora, here is wolongensis SDR2. Now over a metre high and almost a metre across. Looks great and does really well but sadly has virtually no scent, though it does vary from season to season.
I really would love to grow more of the tiny ones like the petraea clones but they seem almost unobtainable commercially here, except perhaps from one UK nursery who is a very long way from lancashire.
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Darren,I may be able to help you,PM me with with a list of your wants.
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Some great Daphne's. Luc your D petrea grandiflora is tiny. I have two dwarf ones, one is going to flower soon, will post a picture when it opens. They say they are not easy to grow is this true ?
Angie :)
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Not true, generally, though different species have different needs. It doesn't help when a bird flicks the tiny plant from its new home in a trough and I don't realize this, for several days.
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Not true, generally, though different species have different needs. It doesn't help when a bird flicks the tiny plant from its new home in a trough and I don't realize this, for several days.
Thanks Lesley. The blackbirds are always pulling things out of my garden, hope the don't start on the troughs.
Angie :)
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A few small Daphnes.
Daphne cneorum Eximia x 2
Daphne cneorum Puzsta x 2
Daphne Ernst Hauser
Daphne cneorum pygmaea x 2
Daphne arbuscula
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Daphne alpina is a species of about 60 cm in height and quite easy to grow.
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Daphne pontica is an evergreen species from North Turkey and the Caucasus mountains.
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Two variegated clones of Daphne x burkwoodii.
Golden Treasure is without any doubt the best flowered form of both.
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Beautiful plants, Jozef. Is 'Golden Treasure' fragrant? If so, I can imagine your garden on a warm evening.
Can anyone help me ID the little Daphne in the first picture. I got it at the 2003 Discussion Weekend, and it blooms for the first time this year, started a few days ago. For six years it did nothing, just sat there, nice and dark green though. Last year it it sprouted some new growth, and this year it is blooming, and sprouting a lot of new shoots. It has a wonderful smell.
The second picture is of a D. retusa, which I also got at the 2003 Discussion Weekend. It bloomed first time two years ago.
Knud
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Knud, most Daphnes are fragrant.
It is nearly impossible to identify your plant on a picture without any mention of measures. My first thought was going to D. arbuscula (or an hybrid). But if I am right, your plant should have to cover about half a square meters after 8 years. I am only guessing, so it can be anything.
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Jozef your yellows and alpina are fabulous. Is alpina in the ground? Mine is in a trough where it remains small
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Mark, my largest alpina is about 90 cm in height. A bit too large for a trough, isn’t it ;)
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Mark, my largest alpina is about 90 cm in height. A bit too large for a trough, isn’t it ;)
A horse trough? ;D ;D
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A horse trough? ;D ;D
Hmm, are there horses in Scotland? So far as I can remember I saw only sheep, sheep and ....sheep. ::)
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:o Jozef :o ;D but you might it is Wales that has the sheep.
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D. oleiodes time arrived. This is a lax form of Daphne transcaucasica 'JH-33/97', but there are nice dome forms in cultivation.
A species from the Caucasus.
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I am full of jealousy looking at photos of everyone. Beautiful daphnes!
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Daphne oleiodes ssp. oleiodes 'VH-134/97' is a clone originating from Bolkar Dag – Turkey.
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A better flowered form of Daphne oleiodes is this garden clone.
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You grow some lovely Daphneys Jozef. Could you say something about your cultivation methods please?
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I just have one clone and it flowers so rich that I never searched for another one.
A picture from last Friday.
Daphne oleoides
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Knud, most Daphnes are fragrant.
It is nearly impossible to identify your plant on a picture without any mention of measures. My first thought was going to D. arbuscula (or an hybrid). But if I am right, your plant should have to cover about half a square meters after 8 years. I am only guessing, so it can be anything.
Thank you, Jozef. My apologies for this late response. You are right, it is very similar in leaf to a D. arbuscula that I have, but quite different in flower. In the first picture you can see both plants, the unknown in front with whitish flowers, the arbuscula above it with mauve flowers (in front of the clematis). The next two pictures show the arbuscula and the unknown in more detail. As mentioned in my previous posting I got the unknown in 2003, and the arbuscula in 2007 during the Czech conference as a rooted cutting with only one "ring" of leaves. It bloomed first time in 2009, and is on the whole a much more vigourus plant than the unknown one. Having said that, the unknown one is putting on a lot of new growth this year, as seen in picture 3.
Maybe the arbuscula's vigour is due to the fact that I accidentally "cemented" it in place during planting. I was making it a good home and thought it would like some of the stone flour I sometimes mix into composts. I grabbed a small handful and mixed it in, planted the Daphne and was very pleased. It was only later, and too late, I discovered I had taken the "rock dust" from the wrong bag; one with extra strong cement used to "glue" bolts and the like into holes in rocks and concrete. And while on planting disasters, the clematis in the first pictue, well that's what happens when you mess up your labels and plant small seedlings in a crack. Could anybody tell me which clematis it is?
Knud
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David, I don’t believe I have a special cultivation method. When you have plenty of them, some are always flowering well and some are flowering badly.
Most are in the garden ground. The most difficult ones in (plastic) pots. I use a Bonsai fertilizer.
Knud, the flowers of D. arbuscula vary from white to pale and very dark pink.
Here are 2 clones of Daphne oleiodes f. “vermionica”. The first one is a MESE collection.
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The second one is a collection from M. Pavelka and is still small but seems to be a better flowered form.
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Knud, the flowers of D. arbuscula vary from white to pale and very dark pink.
Thank you Jozef, for identifying my unknown D. arbuscula.
Knud
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My own little oleoides is flowering in its trough for the first time
And D. alpina looked great a week or two back alongside Pulsatilla alpina apiifolia, on the rock garden.
Can I be forgiven for also including this herbaceous Daphne in here? Stellera Chameajasme var chrysantha. It lives in a pot and has increased steadily over the last 6 years to nearly 40 stems this year.
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Darren never new you got herbaceous Daphne, thanks for showing us this wonderful plant. Does it have a nice scent.
Angie :)
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Yes it does Angie - a typical Daphne scent :)
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Lovely ;D
Angie :)
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Daphne susannae Cheriton,the second flush of flowers this year
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I have grown Daphne bholua 'Jacquelline Postill' for many years and have seen the species in the wild in Bhutan, but have never realised until now that it could be 'stoloniferous'. This last winter the plant, at least 12 years old and about 2 metres high nearly succumbed, becoming almost entirely defoliated and with flower buds killed on all but the lowest branches which were buried in snow. After a slow start it has however regained much of its leafy elegance. Whilst weeding beneath it recently I noted some young shoots around the base. At first I thought these were seedlings (never seen seeds on it before though) but on closer inspection the shoots are new growth from stolons. This phenomenon has not happened before and I assume it to be a response to its near death experience. Has anyone else noted such a phenomenon?
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Yes, it does sucker, Dave. There was an exchange of letters in The Plantsman 10-20 years ago about this.
People reported that some cultivars/clones did it more than others.
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Our Daphne bholua 'Jacquelline Postill' was a present, a sucker from the parent plant about three years ago.
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Well, one lives and learns, thanks guys. Yes, I too have taken a couple off to see how they do.....
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I have a leggy JP bought at an NZAGS salestable and assumed it would be a seedling but now I have slight hopes it may be a sucker, and so will be true. :-\ But of course the original could have been a seedling as I don't think there are many named forms in NZ. I haven't seen a single one in any nursery or garden centre.
I lie. I bought one as 'Pink Ice' from a southern tree nursery.
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Daphne kamtschatica, June, 20
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And a couple of days ago
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That's a lovely plant Olga. and seems to go from flowering to almost mature fruit in a very short time. My D. oleoides does the same. I go to have another look at the flowers and find orange fruit!
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Wow, Olga. Great colour and berries. Never heard of the species before.
Thanks to everyone who has been posting here. So many species and varieties that we don't get here in Australia unfortunately. They just aren't commercially available here. I have some little gems coming along from generous people on the forum who sent me seed (I am so looking forward to the Daphne oleioides after seeing these pics, but a couple more years to go at least I think). I just love the dark pink forms, which I have yet to see in the flesh as yet. This topic is emminently drool-worthy. ;D
Thanks all. 8)
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Olga , your photos as always are a delight -you are so artistic - thank you .
Paul , D. kamtschatica is in Australia ,and I believe I have the only plant of D. x rollsdorfii 'Wilhelm Schacht' in Australia .
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Thank you Lesley, Paul and Otto! :)
D. kamtschatica is very easy from seed and fast growing. I see it will be a big shrub. May be I have to cut one of my three plants... or all of them.
Sorry seeds are already sown.
Otto
How does D. kamtschatica feel in Australia? Does it blooms?
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Otto,
Good to know more of these are in Australia. I hope that you're propagating the 'Wilhelm Schacht' and spreading it around to local enthusiasts if it is the only one in Australia. It's a cracker of a plant by the look of it, and that way there are backups if anything happens. ;D
Are there any commercial sources of Daphne kamtschatica that you know of? I'm guessing there won't be, but at least knowing it is in collections means that the possibility exists somewhere down the track. 8)
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Some Daphnes are in the second blooming.
D. circassica
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D. cneorum Variegata
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D. burkwoodii Variegata
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Beautiful photos of beautiful plants - thanks Olga
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Daphnes are such interesting and unpredictable plants to grow. Almost all in our garden have finished flowering, but perhaps the most exciting of all, D. glomerata, looks to have a large number of flower buds. Robin White is not very complementary of its scent, so I will have to wait and see!
A second interesting species grown from JJA seed is D. gnidioides, which is well adapted to our warm, dry garden. It has small white flowers but the feature I like is the very grey foliage; I could imagine it making some distinctive hybrids. We have it on a raised bed before I realised it could grow to 1.3m or more.
What about D. arbuscula? This has made a plant a metre across in an open sunny spot, but hardly ever flowers!. I have grown it in pots in the alpine house and it flowers beautifully. Do we just not get hot enough summers? Similar problem with D. petraea growing on the sand bed.
The finest daphne of all; D. retusa. What a plant! Easy to grow. Large intensely fragrant flowers and striking red berries, and...
it will always seed itself around and keep going for ever in the garden. Definitely one of my top ten garden plants!
Since none of these have flowers on them (!) I have to finish with the daphne relative Pimelia ferruginea, a very tidy and attractive plant, albeit tender. I was really pleased to buy this at the Great Comp August Flower Show last week, and especially because it came from County Park Nursery, the totally unique and fascinating nursery created by the redoubtable Graham Hutchins.
I must have first visited him as a student in London 35 years ago, and he was as much an inspiration then as he is now.
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I still have the daphne I bought when we (NCCPG North East) came to your garden and nursery Tim. My plants remind me of people and places I've been....
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Daphne 'Beulah Cross
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The unusually warm and sunny weather during the last days brought some extra flowers
out of time also to some Daphnes.
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This seedling of unknown parentage has flowered sparingly all summer. Somebody who recognize it?
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Daphne tangutica maybe?
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A while back i was given a number of small seedlings of an unnamed Daphne sps.
Up until a few weeks ago i was concerned they might be D.laureola which is classed as a noxious weed here in NZ.
However some are flowering for the first time and i think i have keyed them out correctly as D.pontica.
Spidery blooms with a lovely spicy scent.
Cheers Dave.
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These look nice Dave and I was also wondering about a yellow-flowered species I saw in Ashburton yesterday morning. The flowers were small, scented and yellow but I think were more spaced out than yours, not in clusters or bunches. I can't imagine it as having weed potential. Apparently it came from Merv Holland who wouldn't be distributing anything weedly.
I took up for display only one of my two D. petraea 'Persabee.' The scent was so overpowering in the car that I came close to putting it out and hiding it behind a tree until the return home journey. I had to do that once with an Arisaema and then I couldn't find the right tree for ages. Spent half an hour walking up and down the road. ::)
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I have a couple of hopeful-looking seedlings of D. reichsteinii. The little bit of info in the AGS bulletin (Vol 58) makes it sound exciting. A petraea hybrid apparently.
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These look nice Dave and I was also wondering about a yellow-flowered species I saw in Ashburton yesterday morning. The flowers were small, scented and yellow but I think were more spaced out than yours, not in clusters or bunches.
Thanks Lesley
D.albowiana (syn.Daphne pontica subsp. haematocarpa),x AGS 01 is currently flowering as well ,with blooms that are not so yellow.
From Stewart Preston i have D.giraldii--it's maybe a week away from from showing it's golden yellow colouring --i'll post when out.
Cheers Dave.