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Title: Daphne 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on January 23, 2011, 05:23:16 PM
Some readers may remember my previous posts about my Daphne bholua "Jacqueline Postill" which I bought, I think, in 2008 and took ages to begin to look as though it was going to succeed in my garden.

Below is a pic I posted in January 2009 when Michael Campbell told me not to worry and to feed it around April time each year. The second pic shows it again in July 2009. The third pic shows the same plant today but so far, although it has grown well, it didn't flower in 2009 or 2010. So I have added a pic of a bud because I don't know if this is a flower bud or another leaf bud. Perhaps the experts could advise please.

Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Hoy on January 23, 2011, 06:05:58 PM
I had Jacqueline Postill for several years and it flowered from the second year, very early in the spring. If I remember right the flower buds were showing at this time of the year but I lost my plant last winter when the soil where it stood froze a foot deep. The leaves and the stems survived the cold but not the roots.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: majallison on January 23, 2011, 08:41:05 PM
David, that looks like a flower bud. 'Jacqueline Postill' plants are largely from micropropagation & I have heard that these tend to be shy-flowering compared with plants propagated by grafting (or cuttings ~ v. tricky with Daphne bholua).  I have a seed-raised bholua which has largely been killed by the recent frost & snow, temperatures down to -12 degrees C here.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on January 23, 2011, 08:45:57 PM
Malcolm, thanks for that, I do hope it is a flower bud. I haven't noticed any graft mark on my plant so it could well be a microprop. It has coped very well with the last two winters (lowest -8C) and in one of the windiest parts of the garden too just a couple of leaves have looked sickly and I removed those.

Thanks also to Trond.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Martin Baxendale on January 29, 2011, 03:07:12 PM
David, the flower buds on all my Daphne bholuas are well advanced and very obvious, already bursting and showing colour, and even a few flowers out. It looks to me like you won't be getting flowers this year. Maybe a little potash or a high-potash feed like phostrogen might help.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Brian Ellis on January 29, 2011, 03:56:44 PM
David mine was a similar size last year and had one flower on it.  This year it is smothered so be patient and, as Martin said, give it a treat.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on January 29, 2011, 04:08:11 PM
Thanks Martin and Brian. I take it you both think the buds on mine are leaf and not flower bulbs? I've fed it with Tomorite for the last two years but I will be more patient.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Martin Baxendale on January 29, 2011, 05:27:53 PM
No, I wouldn't have said they were flower buds. They all seem to be at branch tips and look more like leaf buds. Any flower buds would really be starting to burst by now. It's probably just been putting on some growth in response to your feeding. Maybe a bit less feeding now. It looks very healthy and strong now.  Probably flower well next year.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on January 29, 2011, 07:47:36 PM
Thanks for that Martin. I hope it flowers next year otherwise hard decisions may need to be taken :(
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Martin Baxendale on January 29, 2011, 09:13:30 PM
It should do. The bholuas are usually pretty free flowering. Or at least all of mine are, and I have a fair few.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: sippa on February 12, 2011, 09:48:02 PM

Hi -- I do not know if this the right place to ask for information on a Daphne.  I received some seed in the exchange of Daphne mahoniana, and I can not find any type of information about the plant.  Maybe one of you on the Forum is growing it, and can tell me what it will look like, hardiness and any other pertinent information.  Another seed exchange also offered the seed, possibly from the same donor.  Thank You

Marianne 
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 12, 2011, 10:09:32 PM
Hi Marianne, I grow and propagate quite a few Daphnes but I have never herd of that one, that doesn't  say it does not exist. Just wondering if it is a spelling mistake, which I am prone to making on a regular basis.  ;D
It may well be a new introduction, or an old one that escaped me. :)
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on February 12, 2011, 10:24:02 PM
I see that seed of that  name has been offered by several organistaions over a few years.
It was #1237 in this year's SRGC List. According to the mark beside the name it was an unverified name.  :-X

 Stuart's notes say : About the list
Again the RHS Plant Finder1 is my primary information source for avoiding duplicate entries under different
names, and redirecting arrows are used to help those who still use an old name. Species not in the Plant Finder
(there is a version on the internet) are checked with the IPNI website2, and if not found there or by a wider search
(googling) they are marked †.


I will try sending a message to Stuart Pawley to see if he can cast any light on the donor.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: sippa on February 12, 2011, 10:37:35 PM

Thank you Maggi and Michael.  I noticed the mark next to the name, also checked with a friend of mine who is a Daphne grower.  It will be interesting to see what turns out, if it germinates.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: ruweiss on February 13, 2011, 09:13:22 PM
The Daphne mahoniana is maybe misspelled and must be D. maloniana, a quite valuable species
from the Balkan as I have heard from  friends. Sorry, no personal experience with this species.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on February 13, 2011, 09:51:47 PM
Thank you, Rudi.  It is probably the case that some handwriting was mistaken.

I did ask Stuart Pawley if he could identify the donor to see if we could find more that way but he  told me today he is busy at the moment.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: mark smyth on February 24, 2011, 07:42:21 PM
Only three weeks early this year due I suppose to our warm weather that also brought out two bumblebees
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Paul T on February 24, 2011, 10:09:26 PM
Mark,

SO cute and fuzzy!!  ;D  Nice Daphne mezureum as well. 8)
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Nick_the_grief on February 24, 2011, 10:15:57 PM
Question Guys,

I'm starting to pull together a list of "wants" (or should that be needs  ;D) and one of the plants I fancy is Daphne petraea graniflorus ( sorry if I spelt it wrong) any idea where I can track one down?
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: mark smyth on February 24, 2011, 10:19:01 PM
Thanks Paul but I cant take any credit. It was planted and left to look after itself. If you want some seeds just ask
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: ruweiss on February 24, 2011, 10:22:01 PM
Mark, lucky boy,
What a beautiful big-flowered form, has it a special cultivar name?
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: mark smyth on February 24, 2011, 10:30:06 PM
Rudi if you seeds I can look for some under the plant. I saw seedling today

This year I must give it a small trim because all flowers are at the stem tips. I need new growth at the botton also
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Hoy on February 25, 2011, 05:12:33 PM
Rudi if you seeds I can look for some under the plant. I saw seedling today

This year I must give it a small trim because all flowers are at the stem tips. I need new growth at the botton also
Mark, be careful!
In my experience D mezereum don't like trimming and don't regrow from the base very well.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: mark smyth on February 25, 2011, 09:01:27 PM
OK thanks. Can I nibble the tips?
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: fermi de Sousa on February 26, 2011, 03:28:13 AM
OK thanks. Can I nibble the tips?
:o
I think they're poisonous, Mark!
 ;D
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Hoy on February 26, 2011, 11:26:54 AM
If you try to nibble you have to spit out quickly! Still you will get a burning astringency in your mouth and feel suffocating. I friend of mine once tried ;D - he survived.
I think however the shrub tolerates it better than you  ;)
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: mark smyth on February 26, 2011, 11:44:27 AM
I would nibble with secateurs like a deer
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: fermi de Sousa on February 27, 2011, 10:23:27 PM
Deer with secateurs! :o OMG if they learn to use shot-guns it would make hunting season very interesting!
 ;D ;D ;D
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: ruweiss on March 18, 2011, 08:50:26 PM
Too valuable for nibbling - Daphne blagayana "Brenda Anderson", now in full flower.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on March 18, 2011, 09:21:21 PM
Ah, Rudi, I think I can even smell the fragrance from here..... 8)
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on March 18, 2011, 09:35:12 PM
Too valuable for nibbling - Daphne blagayana "Brenda Anderson", now in full flower.

Very nice Rudi , this one is also  flowering here. Both the usual blagayana and the cultivar .... ( the first planted in the peatbed and the other one in a trough)
I like this Daphne and find it also valuable because the early flowering.

Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: ruweiss on March 19, 2011, 08:59:13 PM
Brian Mathew mentions in 'The smaller Daphnes' that this plant is a compact form of D.blagayana,
introduced by the late Brenda Anderson in 1975 from Montenegro. I personally prefer these plants, because
the usual form is too leggy for my taste.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on March 19, 2011, 10:00:00 PM
I personally prefer these plants, because the usual form is too leggy for my taste.

I agree with you Rudi ... First I had the usual form. Only later I could purchase ' Brenda Anderson '. I could not throw away than the normal form. He is now in my peatbed and regularly pruned.
'Brenda' is happy in a trough.
Here a picture of today of the usual form..
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Jozef Lemmens on March 24, 2011, 10:12:27 PM
Daphne x hybrida is flowering for a rather long time (October to April).
The leaves  of Daphne odora ‘Rebecca’ have been damaged by frost.
None of both species are really hardy in Belgium.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Jozef Lemmens on April 01, 2011, 08:28:35 PM
Daphne acutiloba 'Fragrant Cloud' is a species from China and like the clone name says the plant scents my front garden at the moment. The plant is about 1 meter tall.
Daphne 'Serendipity' is a D. collina seedling and will become about 60 cm tall. The picture has been taken of a spare plant in my green house.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: ruweiss on April 02, 2011, 09:28:03 PM
I was astonished about this floriferous small cutting of Daphne calcicola
from last year.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on April 02, 2011, 09:32:39 PM
A little plant with a big heart, Rudi!
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: mark smyth on April 02, 2011, 10:33:37 PM
Ah, Rudi, I think I can even smell the fragrance from here..... 8)
:P :P :P

I wish my Brenda Anderson was better. It's a sprawler, only has leaves at it's tips but flowers really well. Is it missing something?
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Jozef Lemmens on April 04, 2011, 09:11:18 PM
Here are two pictures of the flowers of Daphne glomerata and Daphne petraea 'Michele'.
D. glomerata is a species from Turkey and the Caucasus.
D. petraea 'Michelle' is the most vigorous form of the petraea clones (I have).
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: mark smyth on April 04, 2011, 10:18:31 PM
My Brenda Anderson
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Paul T on April 05, 2011, 12:13:36 PM
Wow, what a colour on Serendipity!!  :o  I also love the delicate shading of 'Michele'.

Thanks for showing us.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 05, 2011, 07:29:51 PM
A few of mine starting to flower.

Daphne Kilmeston beauty
Daphne  Napollitana stasek
Daphne  x Mauerbachii Perfume of Spring
Daphne Collina
Daphne Mantensiana Audrey Vokins.
Daphne Napolitana Enigma
Daphne petraea Lydora?
Daphne Rollsdorfii wilhelm Schacht
Daphne Rosy Wave.
Daphne x susannae Cheriton
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 05, 2011, 07:30:58 PM
The last one especially for Lesley. :)

Daphne x burkwoodii Golden treasure
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on April 05, 2011, 09:57:51 PM
What a lovely collection Michael. Do you grow all your collection in pots? Will they outgrow pot cultivation at some stage?
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 05, 2011, 10:03:29 PM
I have about 200 in pots David, a lot of them are stock plants that I use for grafting material. Those that  get too big for the pots are planted out in the garden or brought to the shows or alpine weekends for disposal.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: mark smyth on April 05, 2011, 11:05:25 PM
wow Michael!
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: angie on April 05, 2011, 11:17:25 PM
That's a WOW from me as well.

Angie :)
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Paul T on April 06, 2011, 02:14:36 AM
And a triple Wow! Wow! Wow! from me too!!  :o

I have definitely got to track down petraea by the looks of it.  Not something I've ever found available here in Australia, but I am visiting a garden in the blue mountains in a couple of weeks that sells some miniature Daphne, so I can but hope she might have some for sale.  Fingers crossed!!

Thanks for the pics, Michael. 8)
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 06, 2011, 10:16:32 PM
Well thank you Michael. I'll be very happy to accept this one, especially if you'll deliver it today. I'm making scones this morning. Will you have tea or coffee?

Pleased to see 'Wilhelm Schacht.' Alas my own tiny plant died before it flowered. I hope my generous donor will do another cutting for me. ::)
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Jozef Lemmens on April 07, 2011, 08:54:28 PM
A few more. Daphne 'Zdenek Seibert' is a hybrid between D. cneorum and pseudosericea.
Daphne circassica is a species from the Caucasus mountains.
An unnamed clone of Daphne gemmata. D. gemmata belongs to the Wikstroemia "section".
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 08, 2011, 05:55:37 PM
Wonderful Daphnes everybody !
I think I might be growing the smallest Daphne shown on the Forum so far...  ;D

Planted out in Tufa since earlier this week : Daphne petrea grandiflora
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Jozef Lemmens on April 08, 2011, 09:54:16 PM
Daphne gemmata 'Sceringa'
D. x hendersonii 'Kath Dryden'
D. x thauma
D. x rollsdorfii 'Arnold Cihlarz'
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Darren on April 10, 2011, 03:18:27 PM
At the other extreme to Luc's little grandiflora, here is wolongensis SDR2. Now over a metre high and almost a metre across. Looks great and does really well but sadly has virtually no scent, though it does vary from season to season.

I really would love to grow more of the tiny ones like the petraea clones but they seem almost unobtainable commercially here, except perhaps from one UK nursery who is a very long way from lancashire.



Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 10, 2011, 05:48:33 PM
Darren,I may be able to help you,PM me with with a list of your wants.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: angie on April 10, 2011, 11:30:09 PM
Some great Daphne's. Luc your D petrea grandiflora is tiny. I have two dwarf ones, one is going to flower soon, will post a picture when it opens. They say they are not easy to grow is this true ?

Angie :)
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 11, 2011, 01:04:29 AM
Not true, generally, though different species have different needs. It doesn't help when a bird flicks the tiny plant from its new home in a trough and I don't realize this, for several days.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: angie on April 11, 2011, 04:46:47 PM
Not true, generally, though different species have different needs. It doesn't help when a bird flicks the tiny plant from its new home in a trough and I don't realize this, for several days.

Thanks Lesley. The blackbirds are always pulling things out of my garden, hope the don't start on the troughs.

Angie :)
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 18, 2011, 08:55:23 PM
A few small Daphnes.

Daphne cneorum Eximia x 2
Daphne cneorum Puzsta x 2
Daphne Ernst Hauser
Daphne cneorum pygmaea x 2
Daphne arbuscula
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Jozef Lemmens on April 23, 2011, 09:18:18 PM
Daphne alpina is a species of about 60 cm in height and quite easy to grow.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Jozef Lemmens on April 27, 2011, 06:07:45 PM
Daphne pontica is an evergreen species from North Turkey and the Caucasus mountains.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Jozef Lemmens on April 28, 2011, 09:49:00 PM
Two variegated clones of Daphne x burkwoodii.
Golden Treasure is without any doubt the best flowered form of both.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Knud on May 02, 2011, 11:07:44 PM
Beautiful plants, Jozef. Is 'Golden Treasure' fragrant? If so, I can imagine your garden on a warm evening.

Can anyone help me ID the little Daphne in the first picture. I got it at the 2003 Discussion Weekend, and it blooms for the first time this year, started a few days ago. For six years it did nothing, just sat there, nice and dark green though. Last year it it sprouted some new growth, and this year it is blooming, and sprouting a lot of new shoots. It has a wonderful smell.

The second picture is of a D. retusa, which I also got at the 2003 Discussion Weekend. It bloomed first time two years ago.

Knud
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Jozef Lemmens on May 04, 2011, 09:06:43 AM
Knud, most Daphnes are fragrant.
It is nearly impossible to identify your plant on a picture without any mention of measures. My first thought was going to D. arbuscula (or an hybrid). But if I am right, your plant should have to cover about half a square meters after 8 years. I am only guessing, so it can be anything.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: mark smyth on May 04, 2011, 09:30:27 AM
Jozef your yellows and alpina are fabulous. Is alpina in the ground? Mine is in a trough where it remains small
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Jozef Lemmens on May 04, 2011, 08:27:14 PM
Mark, my largest alpina is about 90 cm in height. A bit too large for a trough, isn’t it  ;)
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on May 04, 2011, 08:36:18 PM
Mark, my largest alpina is about 90 cm in height. A bit too large for a trough, isn’t it  ;)
A horse trough?  ;D ;D

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Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Jozef Lemmens on May 05, 2011, 05:11:50 PM
A horse trough?  ;D ;D

Hmm, are there horses in Scotland? So far as I can remember I saw only sheep, sheep and ....sheep.  ::)
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: mark smyth on May 05, 2011, 07:18:18 PM
 :o Jozef :o ;D but you might it is Wales that has the sheep.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Jozef Lemmens on May 05, 2011, 09:08:10 PM
D. oleiodes time arrived. This is a lax form of Daphne transcaucasica 'JH-33/97', but there are nice dome forms in cultivation.
A species from the Caucasus.

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Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Olga Bondareva on May 09, 2011, 09:59:11 AM
I am full of jealousy looking at photos of everyone. Beautiful daphnes!
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Jozef Lemmens on May 10, 2011, 07:55:30 PM
Daphne oleiodes ssp. oleiodes 'VH-134/97' is a clone originating from Bolkar Dag – Turkey.

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Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Jozef Lemmens on May 14, 2011, 07:37:46 PM
A better flowered form of Daphne oleiodes is this garden clone.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on May 14, 2011, 07:58:38 PM
You grow some lovely Daphneys Jozef. Could you say something about your cultivation methods please?
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Lvandelft on May 15, 2011, 10:39:04 PM
I just have one clone and it flowers so rich that I never searched for another one.
A picture from last Friday.
Daphne oleoides
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Knud on May 16, 2011, 10:18:29 PM
Knud, most Daphnes are fragrant.
It is nearly impossible to identify your plant on a picture without any mention of measures. My first thought was going to D. arbuscula (or an hybrid). But if I am right, your plant should have to cover about half a square meters after 8 years. I am only guessing, so it can be anything.


Thank you, Jozef. My apologies for this late response. You are right, it is very similar in leaf to a D. arbuscula that I have, but quite different in flower. In the first picture you can see both plants, the unknown in front with whitish flowers, the arbuscula above it with mauve flowers (in front of the clematis). The next two pictures show the arbuscula and the unknown in more detail. As mentioned in my previous posting I got the unknown in 2003, and the arbuscula in 2007 during the Czech conference as a rooted cutting with only one "ring" of leaves. It bloomed first time in 2009, and is on the whole a much more vigourus plant than the unknown one. Having said that, the unknown one is putting on a lot of new growth this year, as seen in picture 3.

Maybe the arbuscula's vigour is due to the fact that I accidentally "cemented" it in place during planting. I was making it a good home and thought it would like some of the stone flour I sometimes mix into composts. I grabbed a small handful and mixed it in, planted the Daphne and was very pleased. It was only later, and too late, I discovered I had taken the "rock dust" from the wrong bag; one with extra strong cement used to "glue" bolts and the like into holes in rocks and concrete. And while on planting disasters, the clematis in the first pictue, well that's what happens when you mess up your labels and plant small seedlings in a crack. Could anybody tell me which clematis it is?

Knud   
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Jozef Lemmens on May 17, 2011, 08:46:01 PM
David, I don’t believe I have a special cultivation method. When you have plenty of them, some are always flowering well and some are flowering badly.
Most are in the garden ground. The most difficult ones in (plastic) pots. I use a Bonsai fertilizer.

Knud, the flowers of D. arbuscula vary from white to pale and very dark pink.

Here are 2 clones of Daphne oleiodes f. “vermionica”. The first one is a MESE collection.

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Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Knud on May 19, 2011, 09:53:36 AM
Knud, the flowers of D. arbuscula vary from white to pale and very dark pink.

Thank you Jozef, for identifying my unknown D. arbuscula.

Knud
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Darren on May 23, 2011, 06:56:05 PM
My own little oleoides is flowering in its trough for the first time

And D. alpina looked great a week or two back alongside Pulsatilla alpina apiifolia, on the rock garden.

Can I be forgiven for also including this herbaceous Daphne in here? Stellera Chameajasme var chrysantha. It lives in a pot and has increased steadily over the last 6 years to nearly 40 stems this year.

Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: angie on May 23, 2011, 11:49:20 PM
Darren never new you got herbaceous Daphne, thanks for showing us this wonderful plant. Does it have a nice scent.

Angie :)
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Darren on May 24, 2011, 07:57:15 AM
Yes it does Angie - a typical Daphne scent  :)
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: angie on May 24, 2011, 08:28:16 AM
Lovely  ;D

Angie :)
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on July 08, 2011, 07:40:56 PM
Daphne susannae Cheriton,the second flush of flowers this year
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: DaveM on July 31, 2011, 07:14:23 PM
I have grown Daphne bholua 'Jacquelline Postill' for many years and have seen the species in the wild in Bhutan, but have never realised until now that it could be 'stoloniferous'. This last winter the plant, at least 12 years old and about 2 metres high nearly succumbed, becoming almost entirely defoliated and with flower buds killed on all but the lowest branches which were buried in snow. After a slow start it has however regained much of its leafy elegance. Whilst weeding beneath it recently I noted some young shoots around the base. At first I thought these were seedlings (never seen seeds on it before though) but on closer inspection the shoots are new growth from stolons. This phenomenon has not happened before and I assume it to be a response to its near death experience. Has anyone else noted such a phenomenon?
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Giles on July 31, 2011, 08:32:27 PM
Yes, it does sucker, Dave. There was an exchange of letters in The Plantsman 10-20 years ago about this.
People reported that some cultivars/clones did it more than others.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Brian Ellis on July 31, 2011, 09:37:11 PM
Our Daphne bholua 'Jacquelline Postill' was a present, a sucker from the parent plant about three years ago.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: DaveM on July 31, 2011, 09:45:57 PM
Well, one lives and learns, thanks guys. Yes, I too have taken a couple off to see how they do.....
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 31, 2011, 10:23:35 PM
I have a leggy JP bought at an NZAGS salestable and assumed it would be a seedling but now I have slight hopes it may be a sucker, and so will be true. :-\ But of course the original could have been a seedling as I don't think there are many named forms in NZ. I haven't seen a single one in any nursery or garden centre.

I lie. I bought one as 'Pink Ice' from a southern tree nursery.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Olga Bondareva on August 10, 2011, 09:40:10 AM
Daphne kamtschatica, June, 20

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(http://cs4304.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/97775197/y_2f3405e0.jpg)

And a couple of days ago

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Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 10, 2011, 09:52:43 PM
That's a lovely plant Olga. and seems to go from flowering to almost mature fruit in a very short time. My D. oleoides does the same. I go to have another look at the flowers and find orange fruit!
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Paul T on August 11, 2011, 12:03:58 AM
Wow, Olga.  Great colour and berries.  Never heard of the species before.

Thanks to everyone who has been posting here.  So many species and varieties that we don't get here in Australia unfortunately.  They just aren't commercially available here.  I have some little gems coming along from generous people on the forum who sent me seed (I am so looking forward to the Daphne oleioides after seeing these pics, but a couple more years to go at least I think).  I just love the dark pink forms, which I have yet to see in the flesh as yet.  This topic is emminently drool-worthy.  ;D

Thanks all. 8)
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Otto Fauser on August 11, 2011, 07:57:09 AM
Olga , your photos as always are a delight -you are so artistic - thank you .

 Paul , D. kamtschatica is in Australia ,and I believe I have the only plant of D. x rollsdorfii 'Wilhelm Schacht' in Australia .
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Olga Bondareva on August 11, 2011, 08:14:23 AM
Thank you Lesley, Paul and Otto!  :)

D. kamtschatica is very easy from seed and fast growing. I see it will be a big shrub. May be I have to cut one of my three plants... or all of them.
Sorry seeds are already sown.


Otto
How does D. kamtschatica feel in Australia? Does it blooms?
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Paul T on August 11, 2011, 12:59:47 PM
Otto,

Good to know more of these are in Australia.  I hope that you're propagating the 'Wilhelm Schacht' and spreading it around to local enthusiasts if it is the only one in Australia.  It's a cracker of a plant by the look of it, and that way there are backups if anything happens. ;D

Are there any commercial sources of Daphne kamtschatica that you know of?  I'm guessing there won't be, but at least knowing it is in collections means that the possibility exists somewhere down the track. 8)
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Olga Bondareva on August 19, 2011, 06:30:40 AM
Some Daphnes are in the second blooming.

D. circassica
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D. cneorum Variegata
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D. burkwoodii Variegata
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Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: art600 on August 19, 2011, 09:29:39 AM
Beautiful photos of beautiful plants - thanks Olga
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Tim Ingram on August 19, 2011, 12:11:52 PM
Daphnes are such interesting and unpredictable plants to grow. Almost all in our garden have finished flowering, but perhaps the most exciting of all, D. glomerata, looks to have a large number of flower buds. Robin White is not very complementary of its scent, so I will have to wait and see!

A second interesting species grown from JJA seed is D. gnidioides, which is well adapted to our warm, dry garden. It has small white flowers but the feature I like is the very grey foliage; I could imagine it making some distinctive hybrids. We have it on a raised bed before I realised it could grow to 1.3m or more.

What about D. arbuscula? This has made a plant a metre across in an open sunny spot, but hardly ever flowers!. I have grown it in pots in the alpine house and it flowers beautifully. Do we just not get hot enough summers? Similar problem with D. petraea growing on the sand bed.

The finest daphne of all; D. retusa. What a plant! Easy to grow. Large intensely fragrant flowers and striking red berries, and...
it will always seed itself around and keep going for ever in the garden. Definitely one of my top ten garden plants!

Since none of these have flowers on them (!) I have to finish with the daphne relative Pimelia ferruginea, a very tidy and attractive plant, albeit tender. I was really pleased to buy this at the Great Comp August Flower Show last week, and especially because it came from County Park Nursery, the totally unique and fascinating nursery created by the redoubtable Graham Hutchins.
I must have first visited him as a student in London 35 years ago, and he was as much an inspiration then as he is now.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: ChrisB on August 19, 2011, 08:30:20 PM
I still have the daphne I bought when we (NCCPG North East) came to your garden and nursery Tim.  My plants remind me of people and places I've been....
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on September 10, 2011, 03:03:34 PM
 Daphne 'Beulah Cross
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: ruweiss on September 25, 2011, 08:23:37 PM
The unusually warm and sunny weather during the last days brought some extra flowers
out of time also to some Daphnes.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Hoy on September 25, 2011, 08:31:29 PM
This seedling of unknown parentage has flowered sparingly all summer. Somebody who recognize it?
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: ruweiss on September 25, 2011, 09:11:47 PM
Daphne tangutica maybe?
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: t00lie on November 01, 2011, 07:48:45 AM
A while back i was given a number of small seedlings of an unnamed Daphne sps.

Up until a few weeks ago i was concerned they might be D.laureola which is classed as a noxious weed here in NZ.
However some are flowering for the first time and i think i have keyed them out correctly as D.pontica.

Spidery blooms with a lovely spicy scent.

Cheers Dave.

Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 03, 2011, 12:13:41 AM
These look nice Dave and I was also wondering about a yellow-flowered species I saw in Ashburton yesterday morning. The flowers were small, scented and yellow but I think were more spaced out than yours, not in clusters or bunches. I can't imagine it as having weed potential. Apparently it came from Merv Holland who wouldn't be distributing anything weedly.

I took up for display only one of my two D. petraea 'Persabee.' The scent was so overpowering in the car that I came close to putting it out and hiding it behind a tree until the return home journey. I had to do that once with an Arisaema and then I couldn't find the right tree for ages. Spent half an hour walking up and down the road. ::)
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 03, 2011, 12:19:28 AM
I have a couple of hopeful-looking seedlings of D. reichsteinii. The little bit of info in the AGS bulletin (Vol 58) makes it sound exciting. A petraea hybrid apparently.
Title: Re: Daphne 2011
Post by: t00lie on November 06, 2011, 12:08:43 AM
These look nice Dave and I was also wondering about a yellow-flowered species I saw in Ashburton yesterday morning. The flowers were small, scented and yellow but I think were more spaced out than yours, not in clusters or bunches.

Thanks Lesley  
D.albowiana (syn.Daphne pontica subsp. haematocarpa),x AGS 01 is currently flowering as well ,with blooms that are not so yellow.

From Stewart Preston i have D.giraldii--it's maybe a week away from from showing it's golden yellow colouring --i'll post when out.

Cheers Dave.  

 
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