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Specific Families and Genera => Iris => Topic started by: Hans A. on January 03, 2011, 09:03:01 PM
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First Iris persica started to flower, a bit later than last year!
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Superb Hans, But... you should start Juno 2011 ! ;D
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Yesss...Thanks a lot Fred!
Maggi, could you separate the last message please? ::) :-[ :-*
Edit: Thanks Maggi :-*
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Congratulations Hans, my persica is not even up yet!
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Thanks Peter, it is the first one, not all are up.
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First Iris persica started to flower, a bit later than last year!
As always, great!
Nice flower ,nice picture. Make our day a lot sunnier Hans.
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Hans,
that's cheating living in the Balearics. Come up North and suffer with the rest of us! ;D
Simply gorgeous!
Jamie
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Undoubtedly the first of a long series of stunning plants you'll be posting for us in 2011 Hans !! ;D ;)
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Undoubtedly the first of a long series of stunning plants you'll be posting for us in 2011 Hans !! ;D ;)
;D
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Thanks Kris, Jamie and Luc!
Jamie, I have been in Bonn for Christmas - it was fantastic with so much snow, but I am glad to be back again ;)
For Luc and Peter some more Junos ;):
Iris planifolia var. alba
Iris palaestina
Iris persica
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Lovely Hans ;)
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All these fabulous plants in bloom in the first week of January ??? :o
I suppose we should all consider moving to the Balearics... 8)
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All these fabulous plants in bloom in the first week of January ??? :o
I suppose we should all consider moving to the Balearics... 8)
Don't think it hasn't crossed out mind, Luc! BD and I are considering Spanish language classes right now!
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Hans, it's sore chin time again ;D
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Hans beautifully grown plants.
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Hans many years ago I was coming across lots of plant names with canariensis as part. So started a slight mission to find all plants canariensis. Now I am thinking 'baleariensis'
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Hans many years ago I was coming across lots of plant names with canariensis as part. So started a slight mission to find all plants canariensis. Now I am thinking 'baleariensis'
Pat, I don't find any plant with 'baleriensis', but IPNI.ORG search on * balear* gives a good number of finds :D,
mostly balearica & balearicum.
http://www.ipni.org/ipni/advPlantNameSearch.do?find_family=&find_genus=*&find_species=balear*&find_infrafamily=&find_infragenus=&find_infraspecies=&find_authorAbbrev=&find_includePublicationAuthors=on&find_includePublicationAuthors=off&find_includeBasionymAuthors=on&find_includeBasionymAuthors=off&find_publicationTitle=&find_isAPNIRecord=on&find_isAPNIRecord=false&find_isGCIRecord=on&find_isGCIRecord=false&find_isIKRecord=on&find_isIKRecord=false&find_rankToReturn=all&output_format=normal&find_sortByFamily=on&find_sortByFamily=off&query_type=by_query&back_page=plantsearch (http://www.ipni.org/ipni/advPlantNameSearch.do?find_family=&find_genus=*&find_species=balear*&find_infrafamily=&find_infragenus=&find_infraspecies=&find_authorAbbrev=&find_includePublicationAuthors=on&find_includePublicationAuthors=off&find_includeBasionymAuthors=on&find_includeBasionymAuthors=off&find_publicationTitle=&find_isAPNIRecord=on&find_isAPNIRecord=false&find_isGCIRecord=on&find_isGCIRecord=false&find_isIKRecord=on&find_isIKRecord=false&find_rankToReturn=all&output_format=normal&find_sortByFamily=on&find_sortByFamily=off&query_type=by_query&back_page=plantsearch)
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Mark, I shou ld have just said with Balearic in the name instead of messing up the name like I did.
Interesting list. Thanks
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Thanks a lot,
There are a lot of British and German living here without knowing spanish or mallorquin (similar to catalan) - also regional newspapers in english and german exist. ;)
Thanks for the list of 'balearic' plants - noticed I grow only very few the number of those with balearic in their name.
Before Davids chin becomes to dry - another Beauty started to flower ;): Iris fosteriana
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lovely Hans, but is fosteriana always so early for you? mine flowers after the last rosenbachianas and at the same time as the first vicarias. (it didnt flower last year though :( )
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Thanks a lot,
There are a lot of British and German living here without knowing spanish or mallorquin (similar to catalan) - also regional newspapers in english and german exist. ;)
Another Beauty started to flower ;): Iris fosteriana
Hummm , in that case you hopefully still have room for a few Belgians Hans ...
Again a lot of spring with this Iris ! Why not take the next flight instead of complaining about this long dark winter ...
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Wow Hans :o
What a party is going on in your garden :P ;D
Iris fosteriana is a perfection!
Combination of yellow and violet-complementary colors which I adore.
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another Beauty started to flower ;): Iris fosteriana
:o :o and a beauty it is Hans... wonderful flower and so exquisitely grown ! :o
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Before Davids chin becomes to dry - another Beauty started to flower ;): Iris fosteriana
Ahhhhhhhhhhh! the pain :'(
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Superb Hans,
I'm afraid mine's are too small to flower this year, but this is really a nice species.
Congratulations
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The second iris edomensis is flowering now, later than the first one as it's grown outside, in the onco frame.
Few sunlight this morning, just in time to take the pic :)
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Hi Fred and Hans,
Lovely plants!
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Fred, you know I adore this species!!! - great plant and (as usual ;)) fantastic pic!
Thanks for the comments, Iris fosteriana is said to grow in large groups which must be an incredible sight (Otto had mentioned it once) - it would be fantastic to reproduce something similar in the garden - growing a single clone I suppose it will be a lifetime task. ;D
Peter, this species always so early here (both species you mentioned do not like my climate - David those should grow well with you ;)). Kris, certainly Belgians are very welcome! ;)
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Hans and Fred, fantastic pictures.
Here is my first flower:
Juno nicolai
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Beautyful Iris nicolai, Dirk!
Here a better picture of Iris fosteriana.
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ARRGGhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !! :o :o :o
2 of them !!! superb !
I'm jealous ... do you get seeds ?
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I need another drooling emoticon... ;D ;D
Hans, these are really superb !!! :o :o
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Thanks Fred and Luc!
ARRGGhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !! :o :o :o
2 of them !!! superb !
I'm jealous ... do you get seeds ?
;D - and there are still two more with buds!
They are all the same clone, but as selfing normally works much better with Junos than Oncos I hope I will get some seeds.
(Hope you tried it also with Iris edomensis ;) 8))
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And some Iris persica
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Splendid again Hans !
This miniatures Juno's are pure treasures.
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And some Iris persica
Hans, these iris are superb as always. I'm especially excited to see the I fosteriana as I have a pot of seedlings coming on (ex Holubec), but they'll be a while getting to flowering size, so it's nice to drool over yours in the meanwhile.
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So wonderful to see these juno iris!
Iris persica is simply adorable - and hardly ever seen out here!
cheers
fermi
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Hans,
They are wonderful.. and so much variability ! :o
Fortunately I found the droolin' emoticon....
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Fred and Hans , I have run out of superlatives for your beautyful Junos . Yes Hans in 1971 I saw a grassy hillside near Herat covered in thousands of I. fosteriana in flower - I was in Junoheaven ! if I remember correctly they were slightly more compact than your two .
I wonder if that hillside still looks the same in 2011?
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Impressive to see all your Iris! I´m speechless with such gems! I feel a litlle ashamed of showing my modest Iris palaestina, wich however caused such an excitement when yesterday began to opent its flower... Thank you all for sharing your treasures!
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Very nice flower Juan, but do you grow it in tree bark ?
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Very nice flower Juan, but do you grow it in tree bark ?
No, Fred: soil used is a quite humus-rich soil, with a part of clay and an important amount of perlite. I use bark to cover a little the surface, so I can water less often, keeping roots drier, but with an incresed humidity around them. I´m just trying, but they seem to like it: I recieved 5 bulbs at the begining of November, and this is the first flower, but 2 more bulbs are alredy with buds. And what can I say about your I. edomensis: looks like a watercolor painting... Impressive!
Hans: I´m going to show the picture of your I. palaestina to mine: maybe that´ll encourage them! And I love your velvet petals in I. fosteriana. Your I.persica... no words! About people living in Spain without knowing a word of spanish (not wanting to learn it, even at most basic level, to my opinion), makes me think it´s much more apropiated the emoticone :-[ than your ;) (even though I know (I hope) you´re obviously joking)
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Juan I have to say that for people living in any country without knowing or at least trying to lrearn the language I believe the best emoticons are >:( :'(
So impolite not to learn to speak the tongue of the local people. :P
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Fantastic photos every one,
Hans, your dark persica [3] is just stunning!!!
By the way it is you to blame for me starting to collect junos now, as if i didn't have enough troubles all ready... ;) ;D
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Thanks a lot, Iris fosteriana is one of the easier species to grow here. I received one bulb a few years ago (grown from Archibald seeds), now there are 5 or 6 plants (I split it last summer). Apart of the delicate colours I like it because it does only produce delicate narrow leaves - very welcome in my small garden - it is still long way to "Little Herat". ;)
Diane and Fred hope to see your flowering plants soon!
Luc, your droolin' emoticon ... :o :o :o
Juan great picture of your Iris palaestina and very interesting to read in which medium you cultivate it (grow mine in heavy gritty clay without any humus). Please keep us up to date with your results growing them in this way! (OT: Being on holidays without understanding the language I do not feel happy, but living in one without knowing the local language would be impossible - here the local language is malloquin/catalan ;))
By the way it is you to blame for me starting to collect junos now, as if i didn't have enough troubles all ready... ;) ;D
Oron, I hope I have not to feel too bad now... ;D ;)
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Great to see the Junos starting to flower again in the northern hemisphere. When you only have as small collection it is good to see what else is being grown and to add to a 'wants' list.
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Noses showing now in 6 of my Juno pots.
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This year could be a very good Juno season - actually we have dry weather and a lot of sun. Last year I had problems as it was very wet during flowering season which caused serious problems with botrytis especially on Iris persica.
Two more, another Iris persica and Iris stenophylla ssp. allisonii
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Lucky you are Hans !
Here, it's only second day full sun !!!
still no new Juno flowers but they will appreciate light and warm....
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Hans: as always, your pics are amazing. Your I. persica is simply awesome.
My second I. palaestina has opened its flower completely today (withered one can be seen behind it). Also, I send a pic of medium used for its potting: that´s how it looks like and Iris seem quite happy in it. Let´s see how they develope...
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Very nice indeed Juan.
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Thank's for pics and informations Juan.
Personaly, I can't use humus rich soil as they rot too easyly.
Great if you have success with it.
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Looks very healthy Juan, but as Fred pointed out, we couldn't get away with this much humus in the mix over here !
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I think I have more grit and sand than compost in my mix.
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Thanks Fred and Juan!
Beautyful healthy plants Juan!
Actually I also try to grow some Junos (Iris cycloglossa) in a mix rich in humus in a pot, the bulbs themselves are planted in a 10 cm mineralic layer without any contact with the humus - will see if it works.
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I've tried the same thing in a few pots. Bottom a humus/sand/split mix followed by a layer of split. Then I planted the root stock direct ontop and filled the pot with ceramis or split. The theory is clear; enough nutrients and water, should the plant want it, but the root stock is above the 'water table'. Until now, the bulbs look very good, showing healthy green shoots at the moment. Thos in the gravel garden have not done as well, despite excellent drainage. Obviously not excellent enough!
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Hans, Iris cycloglossa is a very special Juno...
I grow it outside in the garden with lot of rain all over the year, + feeding, and it grows and flowers well.
I think it's the only one to like water ;D and rich humus.
Nevertheless, I also think that it's better to give the nutriments at the bottom and to keep the root in a very well drained mixture.
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Thanks Fred, this was what I had thought when I saw the wonderful clump in Kew (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2916.msg92445#msg92445) - a superb species!
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I have grown bucharica in peat based compost but only the easy bicolour form. It's roots stayed in growth all year, it grows in the ground but only where there is a lot of gravel. I grow cycloglossa in pots where I can water them at least every two days. I aucheri also seems to need extra water in growth.
Hans your persicas are wonderfull and so is your fosteriana.
Juan your palaestina is a joy to see, with all that air from the perlite in your compost I think it may work. I have not much experiance with palaestina but planifolia seems quite tolerant. I think you will have to be carefull not to over water though!
I wish I could see that hillside in Herat!
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And the third I. palaestina to flower in the same pot! Thank you all for your encoraging words about them, but I´m afraid I´m quite far from getting such a show as Han´s! By the way, Hans: becareful with weather forecast: snow will be as low as 200 m. in Mallorca...
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Juan what a special little juno - good luck with it.
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Thank you Pat! They seem to be growing quite well. Hopefully I will be lucky enough for having an increased population for next year!
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Wonderful plants everyone!
Juan, very nice Iris, It is exacly started to flower here too.
It seems to like your local conditions which are pretty similar to Israel.
Here is a picture of my Iris palaestina which started to bloom later than usual as the rains this year started only in December.
You can notice the blue form next to the common form.
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Miriam: very beautiful I. palaestina clump. The beautiful blue color in your Iris appear also in mine, but only when the flower gets its complete maturity, almost begining its decay:looks like a desperate effort for looking even more attractive for insects to pollinate it before it begins to wither. The pictures shown below are of the same flower:the first one was taken on Jan.19th(as shown in my former pictured post, but I put it again here to make it easier to compare), and the last ones were taken this evening, 21st. See how diferently coloured they look!
I´m glad my Irises flowered at the same time than yours: looks like they feel quite at home! Your are lucky to live in a country wich hosts such unbelievable diversity of Iris species, of such a stunning beauty that the only word I can think of when browsing the web to admire them is "Magical".
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Beautyful plants Miriam and Juan!
By the way, Hans: becareful with weather forecast: snow will be as low as 200 m. in Mallorca...
My garden is at 140 m ;) - but there is snow in the mountains.
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Iris galatica today.
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Iris stenophylla ssp. alisonii just opening.
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Wonderful stuff Alex !! :o
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Very nice indeed Alex, the touch of a master.
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Jewels, Alex! My amazement for all these Iris shown, and for the skill of all of you is increasing everyday! So many new things for me! This forum is amazing...
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Superb Junos Alex!
Do you still know the origin of your galatica? Here is growing a very similar one which unfortunately belongs to the "lost lable section".
Here (again ::)) a picture of Iris persica.
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Superb Junos Alex!
Do you still know the origin of your galatica? Here is growing a very similar one which unfortunately belongs to the "lost lable section".
Here (again ::)) a picture of Iris persica.
Your pictures, Hans, as allways are phantastic. Envy you...
Janis
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Here (again ::)) a picture of Iris persica.
And again we get amazed! Thank you for for another super picture!
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I am in awe of what some of the members grow :o :o :o
Sure hope some of them result in seed being donated to seed exchanges. ;)
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great great great Hans !
how many persica clones do you grow ??
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Hi Hans,
Sorry, can't help there, it came from Westonbirt plants about 5 or 6 years ago without info on its origin.
I love that persica - what a wonderful clone.
By the way, the bulbs of I.pamphylica you sent me are growing away and the seeds are all up - it's an early one, this! Thank you very much again.
Cheers,
Alex
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Thanks Janis, Juan, Pat, Fred and Alex!
Pat: I hope to get some seeds this year, despite of many flowers last year I got a very poor seedset because of very bad weather during flowering time.
Fred: some 8) - and the pots with seedlings look very promising.
Alex: Thanks, should try to contact Tony Dickerson - this Iris galatica could be grown from Archibald seeds. Glad to hear Iris pamphylica does fine!
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Not only that Hans, the I. planifolia are up too.
A few from today: Iris stenophylla ssp. alisonii fully open, Iris nicolai.
Cheers,
Alex
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Superb plants Alex!
Glad to hear that!
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Great show Alex !! :o
The fine weather helped my first Juno to open today ! 8)
Iris rosenbachiana "Harangon"
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A fine one too Luc.
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Nice pictures everyone. Here the bud of Iis nicolai starts to grow ,so the show is hopefully for the weekend ?
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they are not moving here but enjoy you show Kris, you must be getting more sun shine than I am ::) :-\
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they are not moving here but enjoy you show Kris, you must be getting more sun shine than I am ::) :-\
My glashouse was builded for cacti and succulents Peter. And I stil use it (one half)for this purpose ...
So it is a hot and sunny glashouse! But we have also a lot of gray and dark days in Belgium Peter. So this year I try t use some extra UV-lights.
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one day Kris.....
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Although the weather was wet and dull today, another Juno opened :
Iris x sindpers
A strange greenish/blueish/greyish colour ... ;D the bad light didn't favour the photo's and didn't do the colours justice.. :(
I'll have another try on a more sunny day.
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Luc very nice as are the ones you showed a couple of days ago. They will not grow for me to humid here
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Luc, are you growing them on your veranda? Very nice indeed
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Superb plants Luc!
Your 'Sindpers' is ahead of mine- Iris rosenbachiana is a species which unfortunately does not like the local conditions.
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Superb plants Luc!
Your 'Sindpers' is ahead of mine- Iris rosenbachiana is a species which unfortunately does not like the local conditions.
I suppose that for I. rosenbackiana/nicolai it is too hot in your conditions. They are not easy with me, too. In outside garden beds they grow excellently, but flowers usually are damaged by night frosts, late snow etc. In greenhouse blooming is marvellous but bulb crop generally poor, regardless of planting just on mid row near widely open doors. Stocks are too large for potting and I can't bring them outside after blooming.
Janis
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Hans, Luc and Alex- thanks for your nice pictures!
Here are some pictures from a population of Iris palaestina, which I visited with a member of this forum ;)
This population is very varied.
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Wonderful, Miriam,
interesting to see the striped pattern is relatively consistent for the species, even though the ground colour can vary considerably. Thanks for sharing these. I hope to see seed of the species at some time on one of the exchanges. The Juno bug has bitten me kinda hard. ;D
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My first juno in flower this season.
A very dark iris rosenbachiana
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My first juno in flower this season.
A very dark iris rosenbachiana
It is Iris rosenbackiana 'Tovilj-dara'.
Janis
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Sometimes I would love to ask Mother Nature why she did a certain design and colour. Utterly amazing are some of these juno markings.
Each is perfect.
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Sometimes I would love to ask Mother Nature why she did a certain design and colour. Utterly amazing are some of these juno markings.
Each is perfect.
Oooh, I think I know the answer to that one, Pat...... " just because she can"
;) 8) 8)
I think these photos we see in the Forum of the variations in wild populations (of any plant, not simply Iris) ashow us one ofthe most valuable lesseons we can learn about plants.... .they are almost infinitely variable, even within one species. Something we should celebrate and always bear in mind, I reckon!
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Wonderful pictures Miriam, and LucS too.
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Luc, are you growing them on your veranda? Very nice indeed
They spend Autumn and early Winter outside (sheltered from rain though) David - brought inside the veranda 3-4 weeks ago - they will stay there until repotted sometime in september/October. They don't seem to dislike this regime !! :D
Beautiful shots from the wild Miriam !! :o
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Beautifull pictures Miriam, and Kris, Alex, Luc, Hans
Alex your stenophylla allisonii has much paler markings than mine
a couple of "rosenbachians" out here, today
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a couple of "rosenbachians" out here, today
Excellent Varzob form. I almost lost my original stock during one season, now slowly recovering. Another may be is SINA form - but color ? Very dark back of stigmatic branches is characteristic just to Sina forms, only yellowish shade not correspond with this.
Janis
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Miriam, Luc and Peter, thanks so much for showing so beautiful plants! Great to see the variation of Iris palaestina in nature - Anemone coronaria looks huge! :o
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Great pics Miriam of your Garbage iris ;D
It was great to see so many of this plants all flowering in the same time
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Thanks Fred for the photos of irises in their natural areas - once again. :)
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Here are a couple - I. rosenbachiana 'Tovil Dara' and an I. leptorhiza. The latter doesn't look quite like the other one I have (although reasonably similar) - can anyone confirm or refute its identity?
Cheers,
Alex
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excellent pictures and species!
Very nice clump of I. palestina Fred, It seems they aslo grow between some trash like many Iris planifolia in Spain...
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Here are a couple - I. rosenbachiana 'Tovil Dara' and an I. leptorhiza. The latter doesn't look quite like the other one I have (although reasonably similar) - can anyone confirm or refute its identity?
Cheers,
Alex
Must to see bulb. If it has thin, string-like additional roots - could be correct (I still never saw flowers of this species, only know how must to look roots). Yours by flower resembles I. linifolia - then bulb looks as very miniature I. rosenbackiana bulb - with fat, something radish-like additional roots, with very brittle attaching to main bulb. I. leptorhiza flower is described as lilac-green. I got it only last autumn, hope flowering this spring. It showed nose out of pot, but here now is minus 20 C outside - so don't know how my plantings will pass following pair of weeks.
Janis
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Here is Iris aucheri from Jordan
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Thanks very much, Janis.
It actually came with no roots, as did my last (genuine, I am pretty sure) one. I did wonder about I. linifolia as an alternative, the only thing against being the red streaks on the interior of the standards, which may be difficult to see clearly in the picture.
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two forms from Juno nicolai in flower this weekend
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I. rosenbachiana 'Harangon' posted earlier with just one flower has produced 3 extra flowers now... :D :D
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Superb Luc !
but they're quite early ?? do you grow them in a greenhouse ?
Mine are just emerging from the ground now.
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Wow, wonderful plants and pics everyone!
Here two from today Iris x sindpers and Iris stenophylla.
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Superb Luc !
but they're quite early ?? do you grow them in a greenhouse ?
Mine are just emerging from the ground now.
They are in pots that remain outdoors (but protected from rain) for the best part of the year Fred.
I bring them inside my unheated but frostfree veranda in January to be able to observe them comfortably from close by :D :D
Two more stunning pictures Hans !
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Thank's Luc !
Hans, they looks like in nature .... except hybrid ;D
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Superb Luc !
but they're quite early ?? do you grow them in a greenhouse ?
Iris rosenbackiana/nicolai is the earliest blooming Juno iris - here outside together with early crocuses.
Janis
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Iris nusariensis from Syria opened it's flower today ! :D :D
It's a plant from Jim Archibald's legacy, so I'm quite happy with it !
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Luc what a thing stunning and by the looks of it beautifully grown
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Luc, that is absolutely gorgeous.
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Stuning Luc, and well captured !
congratulations.
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Congratulations Luc
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Thank you gents !!
I admit, I'm quite (understatement ;D) happy with it !
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Wow! :o Superb Luc!
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Luc I love the muted colour.
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Luc , like Pat I love the washed out colour of your I. nussairiensis -like stonewashed jeans - but at age 73
I can't be seen wearing jeans . I only grow the white form ,thanks to Lesley Cox .
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Thank you all for the beautiful pictures!
Luc- Congratulations!
First time I see this species.
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what a beutiful plants! I would like to paint all of them!. Specially to me I. aucheri, Fred :o
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Lovely plants Luc, Hans, Dirk
two Junos opened here today, Iris narbuti which I got afew years ago as a seedling from Jim Almond, and I Sindpers from a very generous forumist
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That Iris narbuti is quite striking! Well done!
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I love the I. Sindpers! Great colour. Would love to get hold of that one.
Alex
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Iris rosenbachiana 'Harangon' and I. warleyensis today.
Alex
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Peter/Alex when did you start watering your Junos this year please. I started mine at the end of October and mine seem to be 2/3 weeks behind yours.
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Middle of November! I heat my greenhouse so they continued to grow over the Winter.
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Middle of November! I heat my greenhouse so they continued to grow over the Winter.
Ah! heat, many thanks Alex.
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Yes, only because I am absolutely paranoid about freezing pots through owing to a previous (very) bad experience!
Alex
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which Temperature Alex ?
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Enough to stop them freezing, which needed quite a bit of heat at times - they were usually more than 4C.
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Thank's Alex.
I give them a bit more, but not the best way I think.
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David my junos have no heat, I stop the sand getting very dry at any time but the main waterings were cautiously in October/ November and again in early February and again last week. warleyensis is just growing its leaves now and nowhere near flowering yet. I Sindpers is 1/2 stenophylla which is not out yet with me. I galatica, persica , stenophylla and narbuti are very early flowering plants and as Janis pointed out so is the rosenbachiana group so you are not really behind me unless you are growing rosenbachiana, Sindpers or narbuti.
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'Sindpers' is 1/2 aucheri (syn sindjarensis) and 1/2 persica unless you are suggesting stenophylla and persica are synonyms?
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Peter, thanks for that.
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Lesley, I may have got this mixed up, - I often do get these things slightly wrong, but, I believe at the time the cross was made and recorded, stenophylla was regarded as a form of persica
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Maggi posted this regarding Iris 'Sindpers': http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4764.msg165513#msg165513
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Tony Hall at Kew reckoned that 'Sindpers' or x Sindpers was aucheri x persica and the other, aucheri x galatica (syn purpurea) was actually called 'Sindpur.' I remember when he was here in 2000 someone had a picture incorrectly spelt 'Sindpur' and he got terribly excited to realize it was actually still around, albeit in NZ. Then he realized the spelling mistake as the picture labelled 'Sinpur' was actually of 'Sindpers.'
You're right Peter, years ago stenophylla and others were thought to be vars of persica. To be truthful, I'm of the opinion they still are.
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You're right Peter, years ago stenophylla and others were thought to be vars of persica. To be truthful, I'm of the opinion they still are.
Oh, no, Leslie! They are too different!
Janis
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Well you must understand Janis, the comment was from one who has only ever seen pictures of them all, never grown any except rosenbachiana briefly. It flowered twice from seed then died. I've not seen any other of those little species in NZ. :'(
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Thanks Lesley, your memory of the confusion is better than mine.
Janis are there not intermediates between Iris stenophylla, persica and galatica?
I grow a form of each and they are all very different but I understand the three species merge at the edges of their ranges in the wild?
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I've several clones of Iris rosenbachiana, but I think my favourite one is 'Harangon', from Janis, with many flowers, and vigourous growth.
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Thanks Lesley, your memory of the confusion is better than mine.
Janis are there not intermediates between Iris stenophylla, persica and galatica?
I grow a form of each and they are all very different but I understand the three species merge at the edges of their ranges in the wild?
I. persica and galatica sometimes are difficult to separate and if not the difference in chromosomes - I would be merging both, but not stenophylla.
Janis
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So beautiful Fred
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My first two Junos of the season, both from PeterT's List.
Iris tubergeniana
Iris bucharica 'Baldschuan Yellow'
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Looking good David !!
(which "Peter" do you mean ???)
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Thanks Luc-I've edited my post.
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All clear now David !! ;)
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Congratulations David, they're not out here yet!
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With me this season the first is Iris rosenbackiana Czormozak form, the uasual "runner" - 'Vahsh' delayed for 2 days, others only show noses out of soil.
Janis
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Janis, that is a real beauty.
Here is Iris regis-uzziae,
photo taken 3 days ago in the upper Negev Desert.
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Superb Janis ans Oron !
Greta shot oron and it seems to be dry again ??
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Beautifull Janis, Oron.
Janis how different do you think the Czormozak form of I rosenbachiana is from Harrangon form?
Oron please could you comment on how much water regis-uzziae might get in spring? it looks much more compact than the plants I have seen in the UK, does it get taller as the seeds set?
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Great photo, Oron, I am envious...
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Oron please could you comment on how much water regis-uzziae might get in spring? it looks much more compact than the plants I have seen in the UK, does it get taller as the seeds set?
I. regis - uzziae can flower with less than 50mm as is the case this year, probably one of the more drought resistant bulb in the region.
It can rain here from January to March but not later.
Its height is 10-18cm and doesn't get longer in fruit.
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Thankyou Oron,
that is very little water for most Junos!
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Still flowering after some weeks, this plant has put up I think 5 flowers now, I. rosenbachiana 'Harangon'.
Alex
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Janis how different do you think the Czormozak form of I rosenbachiana is from Harrangon form?
Harangon is much later than Czormozak and Vahsh forms - they usually finish blooming when Harangon only starts. At present Harangon noses are just just at soil surface only. The other feature by which you can easy separate both is anther color - Harangon has whitte anthers, Czormozak - yellow.
Janis
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Thankyou very much Janis
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Iris warleyensis in flower here ! :D
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Nice Luc, mine might be out by the end of the week.
In the meantime here's another from the PeterT stable-Iris graeberiana 'Dark Form'
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David it looks like you've nailed growing Juno's Fantastic.
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David it looks like you've nailed growing Juno's Fantastic.
Don't think I have Dave just lucky to have some first class stock this year. Let's just wait to see how they perform next year.
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Well done David,
warleyensis not in bud here Luc. was great to meet you at Harlow.
Here's four junos opend this morning
Iris albomarginata syn (carulea)
Iris Dinzarde
Iris bucharica
Iris bucharica Baldchuan yellow
The white specks are insecticide, I sprayed against greenfly this morning, it was still wet when I took the pictures.
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Very nice Peter. I liked 'Dinzarde', I hadn't heard of that one before.
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What is Dinzarde?
What are those white spots on leaves?
Janis
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Peter lovely stuff there.
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Iris rosenbackiana Tovilj Dara
and Varzob
Janis
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What is Dinzarde?
What are those white spots on leaves?
Janis
Janis, in his post Peter said that he had sprayed his plants with insecticide just before he took the pictures.
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Iris rosenbackiana Tovilj Dara
and Varzob
Janis
Oh I do like those.
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Janis, in his post Peter said that he had sprayed his plants with insecticide just before he took the pictures.
Fortunately I haven't such problems and really can't remember when I used insecticides for the last time - may be many years ago when got bad looking crocus corms I dipped them against bulb mite. Once or twice a season I'm spraying only with fungicides - against Botrytis (open field) and against rust (Alliums).
Janis
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Great to see so many wonderful Junos! :D
Oron, your picture (and the plant) of Iris regis-uzzia is fantastic!
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Janis,
those I. rosenbackiana's are wonderful.
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Flowering here now:
Iris aucheri 'Shooting Star'
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.... and very nice too Wim.
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.... and very nice too Wim.
Thanks David,
I bought this one last year and I thought it wouldn't flower, so I'm very happy it did :) :)
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Two more of mine.
The first is Iris 'Blue Mystery' a cross made by Leonid Bondarenko using I. willmottiana and I. magnifica. I obtained my plant from Susan Band's List.
The second is I. warleyensis from PeterT's List. Leaning to one side I'm afraid as a result of my not turning it in the greenhouse. Lesson has been learned!
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David, you're getting a severe Iris fixation, you do realise that, don't you? ::)
Not that she isn't a lovely girl......
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You're right Maggi - he's got it !!! Not the White fever, but just as dangerous ! :D
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You're right Maggi - he's got it !!! Not the White fever, but just as dangerous ! :D
And a heck of a lot more interesting. ;D
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You're right Maggi - he's got it !!! Not the White fever, but just as dangerous ! :D
And a heck of a lot more interesting. ;D
yup!
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I've got it all right ;D
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Slowly juno irises start blooming. Surprisingly, but this year Iris stenophylla BATM-349 started blooming before rosenbackiana Harangon.
Janis
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Very nice Janis, beautiful colour.
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my Junos are coming out - thank you Peter
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Beautiful plants David and Janis!
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Beautiful plants everybody !
great stuff this year :)
Iris kuschakewiczii is flowering here in the iris frame for the first time, but I missed to picture some other species like I. atropatana and I. svetlaneae >:(
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Fred,
what a great looking flower! I've never even heard of this species. Another one for the list. If I may ask, where did you get it? Or is it from seed?
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Jamie,
I got them from Floralpin and janis, and hope to have some seeds....
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I grew I. kuschakewiczii from seed and it turned out to be this!!! Lovely and does well but not ku..... ???
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Superb plants Fred and Lesley!
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One more from me. Iris 'Warlsind' again from the PeterT stable.
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'Warlsind' is particularly nicely scented David so get your nose into it. Bunch of violets. :D
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Looks very well grown David !
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Fred , what a beautyful form of I kuschakewiczii you have - a deeper greyish blue groundcolour than the one I saw years ago - I would be most grateful for a few seeds in case it sets plenty .
Pity you missed to take a photo of the rare I atropatana from the Caucasus ,as I have only once seen it in flower , that was in 1962 in the Munich Botanic Garden . I can not remember clearly now what it looked like.
Lesley , could your yellow juno be a I. orchioides hybrid ? The bulb you sent me some years ago ,supposed to be of this one , turned out to be I vicaria .
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Otto, I'll tell you if I've some seeds ;)
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hello fred,
you have a pm....
cheers
chris
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TH at Kew thought it was probably an orchioides hybrid. Don't know how the vicaria arrived with you Otto.
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Looks very well grown David !
Thank you Luc.
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'Warlsind' is particularly nicely scented David so get your nose into it. Bunch of violets. :D
You'r right Lesley, it does.
Two more of mine both from Augis Bulbs.
Iris magnifica 'Agalik', and,
Iris 'Morning Star'
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I do like the pure white of 'Agalik'
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So do I Pat. ;D
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If only Agalik had the vanilla scent of one of the other pure white forms :P :D ;D
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I. caucasica from Peter Taggart and I. pseudocapnoides.
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I received this Juno as I. zenaidae. Here are three shots to help in the diagnosis, as I really don't know what to look for in this species. No detectable fragrance. What ever it is, it is quite beautifull.
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Jamie, Looks very similar to mine.
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Fred,
thanks for confirming. Do you have a shot of yours to share?
While I'm at it, I have a lot of Juno seedlings coming along, still in their seedling pots. Should I leave them another season in the pots and just fertilize, or are they better off planted out? I'm thinking of placing them with my arils, but that may be a bit too dry for them. Any advice?
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Jamie, I keep my Junoseedlings (small species) about three years in their seedlingspots as germination is very irregular and grow the older plants in same conditions as Oncos.
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Thanks, Hans,
most of my seedlings are in their second season. I was thinking they could handle another year in the pots, as long as they are fed. Good to hear onco conditions seem to suite.
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I agree, same for me, and I've many I. zenaidae seedlings germinating this year, I'll keep some for you Jamie.
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Fred,
most kind. I immediately selfed two of the flowers, hoping they do take. As I recall, Junos are not as recalcitrant to selfing as oncos and regelias.
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Managed a couple of seconds with the Junos I entered in the South West AGS Show last Saturday. Might have managed firsts if the Show had been a week earlier. ;D
Still, here's a couple from today that I thought were not ready a few days ago.
Iris graeberians White Fall, this one from Augis Bulbs.
Iris magnifica, this one from PeterT
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I do like the pure white of 'Agalik'
'Agalik' is light blue
pure white is 'Virginity'
Janis
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I received this Juno as I. zenaidae. Here are three shots to help in the diagnosis, as I really don't know what to look for in this species. No detectable fragrance. What ever it is, it is quite beautifull.
It is zenaidae!
Janis
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I received this Juno as I. zenaidae. Here are three shots to help in the diagnosis, as I really don't know what to look for in this species. No detectable fragrance. What ever it is, it is quite beautifull.
It is zenaidae!
Janis
Janis,
thanks! It's nice to know I received what I ordered. A real beauty. We should all grow this one. Seems pretty easy.
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I received this Juno as I. zenaidae. Here are three shots to help in the diagnosis, as I really don't know what to look for in this species. No detectable fragrance. What ever it is, it is quite beautifull.
It is zenaidae!
Janis
Janis,
thanks! It's nice to know I received what I ordered. A real beauty. We should all grow this one. Seems pretty easy.
There can be only one other choice - the juno hybrid offered in trade as "graeberiana dark" - you can't separate it from zenaidae by flower. Single difference - true zenaidae is fertile, hybrid not and usually didn't form pollens.
Janis
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Janis,
mine definitely has pollen and quite a bit at that. Looks like I have the real thing, then.
Thanks,
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Today few Juno - Iris kuschakewiczii from Kirghizstan and
several color forms of I. persica - most unusual - the green one.
Janis
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Your persica's are splendid, Janis!
Hendrik
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Just beautiful persicas, Janis. Yes, that green is quite special. Will you be releasing any of these?
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Most unusual, yes! and most glorious too. :D 8)
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Marvellous Iris persica, Janis! Thanks for showing them!
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Iris persica are wonderfull !
I love them but didn't have much success with them.
erm... the green one is not my favourite :-[
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LOVE those Iris persica.
Here's I. linifolia today.
Alex
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Junos looking good here too, planted into a greenhouse bed.
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A couple of Juno's flowering here now:
Iris vicaria 'Hodji-Obi-Garm'
Iris x graeberiana 'Yellow Fall'
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Janis , you bring us much pleasure in sharing your photos of your various exquisitly coloured forms of
I persica and kuschakewiczii .
Janis , did you see the story of the rediscovery and reintroduction of the legendary I. stocksii in Afghanistan ? some beautyful photos too .
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A couple of Juno's flowering here now:
Iris vicaria 'Hodji-Obi-Garm'
Iris x graeberiana 'Yellow Fall'
Wim are they outside.
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my first http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/?action=view¤t=juno.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/jun.jpg
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Another of mine, this one from Augis Bulbs.
Iris vicaria 'Varsob'
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David your Juno's have been a joy this year.
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Thanks Dave. I've really enjoyed having a go at them but they do take some room up in the greenhouse.
By the way, have you recovered from yesterdays results yet ;D
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No we were slaughtered.That tackle was a bit over the top. :-[
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No we were slaughtered.That tackle was a bit over the top. :-[
Excuses, excuses!! ;D
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A couple of Juno's flowering here now:
Iris vicaria 'Hodji-Obi-Garm'
Iris x graeberiana 'Yellow Fall'
Wim are they outside.
Yes they are, I planted them in 2009 in pure sand in full sun. They are covered against rain in summer.
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Today several pictures showing variability of Iris kuschakewiczii
and at end (to break colors) - Iris persica seedling.
Janis
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What flower except Iris, and especially Iris persica, can display such colouring? Every shade imaginable including sand, oyster, greys, even, dare I suggest it, mud? Such subtlety is seen nowhere else. Literally everything from white to black. No wonder we all love them. 8)
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Today opened first flower of Iris svetlaneae.Pity, now I will be away for 9 days and so will stop "floods" of my pictures.
Janis
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Iris orchioides 'Aktash' in flower now.
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Jamie, I keep my Junoseedlings (small species) about three years in their seedlingspots as germination is very irregular and grow the older plants in same conditions as Oncos.
Sorry I have not managed to keep up with all the threads, having been away.
I find junos, especially in pots, are better kept cooler than oncos and I shade and sprinkle a little water on them, especially seedlings, through the summer.
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Janis, your persica collection is abolutly wonderfull. Iris Dinzard is a hybred of I maracandica. the details are on a lable under the plant...
attatched some junos from the past 3 weeks
Iris hypoliti
Iris orchioides Kyrgikistan Gold
Iris orchioides Rezaksai
Iris parvula
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Jamie here is a picture of Iris graeberiana dark form. it is a great garden plant and more robust than graeberiana or zenaidae. Unfortunately certain nurseries supply it as "I albomarginata of gardens", also as "I albomarginata true species"
It does not look at all like my albomarginatas from Janis, Leonid and Tony Dickerson.
also a very poor picture of I x graeberiana White Fall and Yellow Fall to show the difference, they are supplied in place of I gaeberiana by some nurseries, and also I saw a graeberiana hybred (I think it was Dark Form) grown as Iris wilmottiana, again a certain nursery has too many pictures of wilmottiana on their website against other plants names.
A picture too of Iris zenaidae, which came from Janis a few years ago and a picture of Iris wilmottiana, which also came as a bulb from Janis.
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Janis, I forgot to say how very beautifull your Iris kuschakewiczii forms are. I have sown it many times but no germination ever :'(
Janis will have better pictures if he posts them, but this is Iris albomarginata (?syn caerulea) as I grow it, quite distinct from "Janises I zenaidae" with which it is equated on Alan McMurtries web site unless he has recently modified it. I'm expecting Alans "Iris albomarginata true species" to provide a crop of hand pollinated Iris zenaidae....
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Wonderful series of Junos Peter ! Thanks for showing !
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Wonderful plants and pictures Peter. I'm very impressed with the ease with which you seem to grow them. What is the little greenish yellow species, to the left of I. zenadiae in the second group?
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Hello Lesley, It is what I bought as Iris caucasica ssp turcica a few years ago, It is the plant Alex showed in reply 208.
The caucasicas,capnoides and orchioides types seep relatively easy going plants. It is always a struggle to maintain things like narbuti, fosteriana, marandica, aitchesonii,-I lost my bulb of leptorhiza this winter, the growth was too far advanced and the bulb too wet for it to suspend growth for the duration of the long frozen spell last winter.
David I'm so glad the junos did well for you.
Janis I remember your svetlanaes from last year -they are lovely. No flowers on it here this year, again the biggest bulb went in the winter.
pictures of Iris linifolia, still in flower, from Alex,
Iris caucasica turcica,
Iris seedling (?hybred) -any suggestions as to what it might be any one?
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some pictures of magnifica and vicaria forms.
Pat you were trying to work out which you had. I have often puzzled over the flowers on young plants too but look at the wings on the hafts of magnifica, and see Davids rather better close up of magnifica in reply 216.
I should welcome commenns on the mottled flower of vicaria, could this be a wild form or a hybred between two forms? it seems healthy but it is not my favorite
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Iris warleyensis, all the seedlings are potted seperately but too many pots I shall put the siblings of warleyensis together next year, it always looks spindley for me as single bulbs.
Iris tubergeniana, the pot behind it is also tubergeniana which got too dry while I was away.
Iris aucheri, it sufferd from some frost damage this winter.
I find that Irises warleyensis, tubergeniana, aucheri (and cycloglossa) require extra water while in growth.
I have not tried warleyensis outside yet, but aucheri, tubergeniana and cycloglossa cope well with heavy summer rain (in good drainage).
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Janis, your persica collection is abolutly wonderfull. Iris Dinzard is a hybred of I maracandica. the details are on a lable under the plant...
attatched some junos from the past 3 weeks
Iris hypoliti
Iris orchioides Kyrgikistan Gold
Iris orchioides Rezaksai
Iris parvula
Excellent! Unfortunately I lost all my stock of hyppolityi :'(
Janis
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Janis, I forgot to say how very beautifull your Iris kuschakewiczii forms are. I have sown it many times but no germination ever :'(
Janis will have better pictures if he posts them, but this is Iris albomarginata (?syn caerulea) as I grow it, quite distinct from "Janises I zenaidae" with which it is equated on Alan McMurtries web site unless he has recently modified it. I'm expecting Alans "Iris albomarginata true species" to provide a crop of hand pollinated Iris zenaidae....
May be hybrid? Or true? How correct are colors? Pity, but albomarginata hybridises quite freely. Not easy to keep cleen species :-[
Janis
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Gorgeous selection of Junos Peter !! :o
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Thankyou Luc, Janis,
Janis, I have 4 clones of I albomarginata, they are all very similar and last year I had seeds. One was from you, two from Leonid and one from Tony Dickerson, who I believe had a different source, so I hope they are true. Iris hypoliti flowerd so much last year that the bulbs were too small for much flowering this year -but the seed has germinated and I may have a couple of spares. ;)
Pictures from last year of Iris hypoliti
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Peter, wonderful shots of some beautiful plants from a master grower.
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Thankyou Luc, Janis,
Janis, I have 4 clones of I albomarginata, they are all very similar and last year I had seeds. One was from you, two from Leonid and one from Tony Dickerson, who I believe had a different source, so I hope they are true. Iris hypoliti flowerd so much last year that the bulbs were too small for much flowering this year -but the seed has germinated and I may have a couple of spares. ;)
Pictures from last year of Iris hypoliti
Leonids albomarginata is from me but they are not clones.
Janis
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Now a pair of pictures from my albomarginata and seedling of it which certainly is hybrid with some other sprecies - quite nice
Then 2 pictures of very rare atropatana
and
Iris narbuttii
very dark I. kuschakewiczii
Janis
Edit Just got unpleasant news from Tony Hall - DNA research found that plant which I and Zhirair and someone else grew (and were very proud of it) as Iris atropatana - really is only Iris pseudocaucasica. It is allways very poor feeling when you see that plant which you supposed as great rarity turns nothing very special and really is quite common. But pseudocaucasica isn't too often offered in catalogues. So it isn't reason to fall in depression. Keep smiling!
Janis
Just found that name under picture remained atropatana - it must be corrected to pseudocaucasica.
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Few of Iris aucheri
At first form from Iraq, collected by Henrik and named by him PURALBA
Then 2 forms collected at Bahce Koyu in Turkey
and few beautiful selections from Gothenburg, originally from Leylek in Turkey
Snowwhite
Indigo
Shooting Star
and 2 forms of Iris bucharica
from Baldjuan
and another from Tadjikistan (quite similar)
Janis
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Some more of today
Iris willmottiana - various color forms
Iris maracandica
Iris svetlaneae - very often offered under name of maracandica
and as last
Iris pseudocaucasica
Janis
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Are the willmottiana forms from different localities Janis?
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No, they are from same locality - Berkara gorge, Kara-tau mnt.
Janis
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It is very variable then. Are there many colour forms of pseudocaucasica, this one looks very bi coloured and so did Alex's. Mine, from you, is more cream - not so pale
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Iris pseudocaucasica is very uniform in color in Turkey (at least where I saw it), but in Talish mountains (proper Aserbaijan side, not Iranian Aserbaijan - those I didn't see) it is extremely variable covering almost all possible colors as it is in some populations of Turkish Iris persica. Unfortunately all soviet time gatherings from Talish were lost during years of growing them outside and slide film after returning from Talish was damaged in laboratory :'(. So only memories remained... But as I know Arnis collected few of variably colored plants on Iranian Talish part, too.
Janis
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Few more Juno from today:
At first common view of Iris aucheri from Leylek. Stem lenght is 70-80 cm.
Iris bucharica from very S of Tadjikistan is so special that I even started to think that it is may be new one? I gave to it cv. name TONY in honor of Tony Hall from Kew
Very specially colored Iris fosteriana collected by me in Iran
and "for desert" - most likely new Iris species from NE Turkey
Janis
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Wow :o :o :o - Janis and Peter, I am fascinated seeing all those magnificant plants!
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Those Leylek irises - Holy Moly!!! and I do like 'Tony', but then I like Tony too. :D The fosteriana is very dramatic. Wonderful irises Janis. Thanks for showing them all.
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All I can say is :o :o :o :o
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These are wonderfull Janis.
The 'bucharica does look different, the fosteriana is quite amazing!, and thankyou for showing the new turkish one.
Spring was too hot here and they did not last.
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thank's janis for all this beauties, some of them are rarely seen....
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I got some seed of Iris fosteriana from the seed exchange last winter.
Knowing that it is rather rare in cultivation I was pleasantly surprised to receive quite a lot of seed.
Knowing how unpredictable juno's can be when germination is concerned, I was even more pleasantly surprised to see them germinate "en masse" back in March.
The two pictures below show what the seedlings look like now.
Anybody able to confirm (or deny) at this stage that they are the real thing ???
Thanks in advance.
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Oh Luc, those don't really look like onco leaves, do they? :-X Too soft :-\
Hans A will be able to tell for sure... he's grown it from seed, I know.
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could be right Luc, cant make out if the leaves are chaneld they should be at that stage and if they are right they have grown very well!
Its roots are the most delicate of all the Junos that I know.
Maggie, fosteriana is a small slender Juno with narrow leaves ;)
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I got some seed of Iris fosteriana from the seed exchange last winter.
Knowing that it is rather rare in cultivation I was pleasantly surprised to receive quite a lot of seed.
Knowing how unpredictable juno's can be when germination is concerned, I was even more pleasantly surprised to see them germinate "en masse" back in March.
The two pictures below show what the seedlings look like now.
Anybody able to confirm (or deny) at this stage that they are the real thing ???
Thanks in advance.
Luc,
you'll never be able to plant them all out in your garden, will you ;) ;) ;D
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could be right Luc, cant make out if the leaves are chaneld they should be at that stage and if they are right they have grown very well!
Its roots are the most delicate of all the Junos that I know.
Maggie, fosteriana is a small slender Juno with narrow leaves ;)
I know, Peter, but are young juno leaves not still of a different "substance" to other iris leaves? More structured, less, willowy
Hans A.' picture is here http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2916.msg68597#msg68597
and I see he later says he received the plant as a young seedling, rather than having grown it himself from seed.
Kees Jan van Zwienen's has some terrific photos from the wild of this lovely iris ......
http://keesjan.smugmug.com/Botanical-trips/Asia/Kopet-Dag-Mountains-NE-Iran/12322686_YBsYX#880901670_kexBZ
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A sprouting Juno seed looks much like a sprouting pogon or sibirica untill the leaf begins to expand, then it looses its two dimensional nature as the leaf becomes u shaped in cross section. I cant tell from the pictures if this is the case. Young juno leaves are usually thinner than those of bearded Iris. I have grown I fosteriana to flowering from seed, It took about five years and then flowerd for three years, hasnt done so well for the past two though :'( :-[
here is a picture of I vicaria which germinated about two months ago,
I hippolyti seedlings germinated during the winter, and an Iris hippolyti seedling in its second year
I vicaria pictured at two months is already showing the juno leaf shape, and the pictures of I hippolyti show it developing.
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I got some seed of Iris fosteriana from the seed exchange last winter.
Knowing that it is rather rare in cultivation I was pleasantly surprised to receive quite a lot of seed.
Knowing how unpredictable juno's can be when germination is concerned, I was even more pleasantly surprised to see them germinate "en masse" back in March.
The two pictures below show what the seedlings look like now.
Anybody able to confirm (or deny) at this stage that they are the real thing ???
Thanks in advance.
Hi Luc - I'm with Peter T on this. I once germinated a couple of seeds of Iris fosteriana. They lasted three years but never looked remotely like what you have. I'm 99% certain you have an imposter ... hope it turns out to be a beauty though :) I'd guess that is a rhizomatous iris, you'll be able to tell later, especially if it does not die down in summer like the junos.
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Honestly Luc, I would say those are NOT fosteriana or indeed, any Juno iris at all. They look at this early stage like something out of the Sibirica section, not bulbous anyway and not onco either.
Junos germinate with a single leaf which tends to be silvery-green or silver-edged, depending on the species. Then they often (not always) make a second and even a third leaf in their first season, but each leaf is enfolded in the one before it, if you know what I mean, like, as an example, the leaves of a Galanthus which is supervolute or convolute. As a second or third leaf develops, the whole "plant" tends to fan outwards a little, not stay upright as your seedlings are.
But being irises your seedlings will be worth growing on to see what's what. :)
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I've taken a couple of pictures of seedlings about 1 month old, of Iris aucheri, which should show what I mean above about colour and the outer leaf folded over the inner.
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Thanks for all the expert opinions and bringing me back to reality everyone ... ;)
My fear seems to be correct... I could have known... :( >:(
I'll see what it turns out to be in a hopefully not too distant future.
Thanks again ! ;)
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Iris planifolia which has been flowering for more than a month.
Whenever I check it it seems to be late afternoon like today so I have not done any hand pollination yet.
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Pat,
my single flowering sized plant of this Juno wasn't even in bud when you posted your pics!
Here's mine in flower yesterday, it appears a bit lighter than yours.
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fermi
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Fermi the lighter blue Iris planifolia has not flowered so far this year for me yet.
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Very nice Fermi!
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Pat and Fermi, Iris planifolia is also flowering now in the Northern part of the world ;D
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Great to see the first I. planifolia in the north. Seed pods ripening here down under
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Wow Fred - this is early! :o
Here any Juno has started to grow.
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Pat and Fermi, Iris planifolia is also flowering now in the Northern part of the world ;D
Better too early than too late Fred !!
Great to see ! :D :D
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Hans, as you should know, Vienne is much souther than Balearic islands ;D
We have kind of tropical climate here 8)
First onco are also starting to flower.... :-X
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WOW!! both are mad! ;D
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Our season in South Australia was far earlier than any other year that I remember.
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No Rafa, I'm jocking ;D ;D
Many leaves are growing but of course no bud or flower ;)
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One of the most difficult species to grow ( my opinion ;) ) is flowering now: Iris edomensis, a bit early too but we have a warm and humid weather at the moment. This species doesn't like water at all at the end of growing cycle, and need dry rest period for the all summer.
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That is wonderful Fred and I'm sure TH at Kew would agree with you that edomensis is one of the most difficult. I don't know if he ever looks at this Forum but I'm sure he would be thrilled to see this fabulous iris in flower with you.
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Well done Fred! is this the same plant you showed last season?
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No Peter; I use to have 5 different plants but lost 2 this year, I think because of water...
But the plants seems to be very similar.
Fortunately, I have seedlings and I hope to get more seeds this year.
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Bravissimo Fred !! :o :o
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Wonderful, Fred.
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Some of us just have the magic touch! Eh, Fred? Beautiful.
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thank's ;D
the challenge is now to get many plants from seeds...
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Exquisite Fred.
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Fantastic!!! :o
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Wonderful!!
The most beautiful Juno in my opinion :o
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Fred Iris edomensis is exquisite - well done. You might like to know that Peter Gras is having great success with the seed you sent. Not a juno but I must show you all (most of you are iris enthusiasts) the last of the oncos to flower.
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Excuse me but I will blame the early morning posting for not letting you know that it is Iris acutiloba ssp lineolata. ::)
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good news Pat, and nice clump ;)
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Lovely Pat, and the other oncos you have been showing this year are wonderfull too.
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What an amazing onco season you have had Pat. And we have had it too, through your sharing with us. A thousand thanks for every single one. :-* :-* :-*
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Iris planifolia has started to bloom.
I noticed in addition to this there are Sternbergia, Galanthus, Colchicum...and also Iris of three other sections visible on this picture (one hardly) - maybe someone spots some... ;)
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I won't try finding any others Hans .. :D but the planifolia clump is wonderful ! ;)
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superb clump hans.
yes, I can see some other nice weeds leaves ;D
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superb clump hans.
yes, I can see some other nice weeds leaves ;D
I have room for those "weeds" but in my garden I would not call them that :P
I have only seed pots of planifolia after last winter, but it has been so mild here recently that narbuti would like to keep growing :-\
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Beautiful clump Hans - it is a really worthwhile species. I started thinking about digging up my clump again when we had rain the other day but the roots seem to be holding on for all their worth so I gave up. Better get more gravel though to cover them properly.
Pat
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Hans,
what planet are you living on? You simply have the best seasons and the best looking plants around. I'm packing my bags! Your garden simply set me afloat.
Schön, daß Du gibst!
Jamie
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fantastic, just like in the wild.
well done Hans!
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Thanks a lot for all this very kind comments - fortunately I can grow all this plants in the garden (I am a very bad potgrower :P)
Here the resolution:
The only one who mentioned plants was Fred (weeds)- so congratulations! ;D ;)
Visible on this pictures are apart from Scorpiris Iris of the Sections Oncocyclus, Limniris and (still very small) Reticulata visible - marked on the picture.
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Hans the rocks etc are natural or amended by you to create a natural setting?
Yes pots and me do not always see eye to eye either.
Pat
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Who would grow in pots if he can grow what you do in the garden Hans !! :o 8)
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Luc, certainly you are right, but nevertheless there are still some hundreds pots around... :P ;)
Hans the rocks etc are natural or amended by you to create a natural setting?
Pat, in this garden nothing is natural - it was a flat garden with a few vegetables and some bushes like Buddleya, Plumbago and Pittosporum without any stone. Took some work to build in drainage, prepare soils, entering tons of stones, gravel and grit (always crossing the house as there is no other access) and modeling the garden. I am satisfied with the result but the comment of a friend: "removing all the rocks and stones you could plant a beautiful lawn", let me think it looks too natural perhaps. ::) ;)
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Junos are not grown very often in the United States, although the central and western areas like Colorado seem to suit them pretty well: I have grown the commoner sorts for many years. I've gradually obtained some less common species. I grow mine in the ground (I visited Kazakhstan and Mongolia in 2009 and 2010 and was shocked how similar the terrain and floristics were to the Rockies and Western steppe). We grow quite a few calochorti and aril irises: dryness here is the norm: we often resort to the hose with these, believe it or not (at least in spring when we can be windy and dry at crucial junctures)..
As some of the seedlings and odd plants we've finally obtained come into bloom, I shall have to resort to this Forum to help me sort them out: we're not like Britain where you can trot to the nearest SRGC or AGS show and get all the top talent to help you out! I will begin with some of the commoner sorts, and get down to the brass tacks and my questions...hope you all will enjoy these and perhaps help me out with ID's...
1) Iris bucharica 'Alba' (or is it willmottiana nowadays?)
2) One of many spreads of Iris bucharica at Denver Botanic Gardens.
3) Another big spread of bucharica in the Rock Garden
4) Closeup of Iris cycloglossa: never get tired of this one!
5) Iris vicaria (I believe): from a Czech collector many years ago
6) Iris orchoides blooming the first time from seed.
7) This came to us as Iris parvula: not sure it is correct.
8) Iris warleyensis
9) Iris x Warlsind 10) I lost the label on this last one: is this Iris narbutii?
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There are many Forumists who will know better than I do but A) I don't think there is a pure white bucharica as such, but maybe there is. Janis or others will know. B) That is a fantastic display of the "ordinary" bucharica. C) Iris 'Warlsind' is, I'm pretty sure, I. 'Warlsind,' certainly as I had it years ago, not available here now unfortunately. Mine came from van Tubergan back in the 60's and was very vigorous. Have a sniff at it. Mine was scented like a large bunch of violets.
I. parvula is listed in the BIS Alphabetical table of The Genus Iris, as greenish yellow.
The last pic looks to me like something close to nicolai or rosenbachiana but again, Janis and others will know. I haven't seen narbutii in the flesh.
There are definitely some advantages in your hot, dry climate PK, even if, e.g. Cassiopes and Ramondas may not be so easy. ;D
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Junos are not grown very often in the United States, although the central and western areas like Colorado seem to suit them pretty well: I have grown the commoner sorts for many years. I've gradually obtained some less common species. I grow mine in the ground (I visited Kazakhstan and Mongolia in 2009 and 2010 and was shocked how similar the terrain and floristics were to the Rockies and Western steppe). We grow quite a few calochorti and aril irises: dryness here is the norm: we often resort to the hose with these, believe it or not (at least in spring when we can be windy and dry at crucial junctures)..
As some of the seedlings and odd plants we've finally obtained come into bloom, I shall have to resort to this Forum to help me sort them out: we're not like Britain where you can trot to the nearest SRGC or AGS show and get all the top talent to help you out! I will begin with some of the commoner sorts, and get down to the brass tacks and my questions...hope you all will enjoy these and perhaps help me out with ID's...
1) Iris bucharica 'Alba' (or is it willmottiana nowadays?)
2) One of many spreads of Iris bucharica at Denver Botanic Gardens.
3) Another big spread of bucharica in the Rock Garden
4) Closeup of Iris cycloglossa: never get tired of this one!
5) Iris vicaria (I believe): from a Czech collector many years ago
6) Iris orchoides blooming the first time from seed.
7) This came to us as Iris parvula: not sure it is correct.
8) Iris warleyensis
9) Iris x Warlsind 10) I lost the label on this last one: is this Iris narbutii?
1) This looks like the plant known as wilmottiana Alba, a hybred of wilmottiana and aparently infertile
4) is cycloglossa, can be self fertile,
5) is vicaria
6) I think that orchioides has a fringed crest, my plants ( three forms) from Janis all have some fringing. Could it be Iris svetlanae?
7) Iris vicaria (Sini River form?) I hope Janis will correct me if I am wrong, I have a seedling like this with less solid purple than my other Sini plants.
8) is warleyensis
9) I think it is
10) I think this is one of the physocaulons ie the rosenbachiana group.
I believe Iris parvula has a fringed crest, my plant certainly does.
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Iris parvula
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The first picture is hybrid known under name "willmottiana alba" (no willmottiana seem to be included in its parentage)
Under name I. orchioides really is Iris svetlaneae
I don't think that I. parvula is correct - looks very different. I haven't courage to name it Iris vvedenskyi, never seen by me - too robust, and colour didn't match - I. vvedenskyi was collected only once (type collection) in North Kugi-tang Mountains that are the natural border between Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan. In its original description it is compared with I. linifolia as more yellow colored and with an orange blotch on the falls and entire (crenate) crest. May be knowing source from where you got this one could help in identification. And how looks additional roots?
The last is Iris narbuttii.
Janis
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Under name of parvula most likely is beautiful form of Iris vicaria. Was in some way blinded by it's beauty. All features respond to this one. Fortunately identification of Juno's by pictures is much more easier than in Crocuses.
Janis
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Visiting my greenhouse today (after few days interruption) was shocked seeing first Juno iris in flowers - Iris rosenbackiana from Vahsh, Tadjikistan. Never before so early, although this one is the earliest of rosenbackianas. Other flowers from today in reticulata iris entry.
Janis
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The Iris rosenbachiana from Vahsh is quite exquisite. A real pleasure to see. Thank you, Janis 8)
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Gorgeous.
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Superb and so early you're right.
I should show you first ( or last ? ;) ) onco flower in the next days ...
Nature is strange this year, still no freeze until now in Vienne.....
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Janis I sure hope that you will be able to pollinate Iris rosenbachiana from Vahsh as it is such a stunning form.
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Superb Iris rosenbachiana, Janis! I wish I could grow them...
Here Iris palaestina has started.
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Hey hey Hans,
you really have a good climate for this plants ;D
well done, and may be you've seen it before our Israeli friends ;D ;D ;)
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Might be! 8) ;)