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Title: Gargano, unidentified species
Post by: Kees Jan on November 20, 2010, 05:04:17 PM
Here are some unidentified plants from the Gargano peninusla, Italy. Any help in identifying them would be great!

Anchusa?
Ophrys
Ophrys
Tragopogon

More pictures from this trip at http://keesjan.smugmug.com/Botanical-trips/Europe/Italy-Naples-to-Gargano-spring/
Title: Re: Gargano, unidentified species
Post by: Lori S. on November 20, 2010, 05:21:42 PM
1. Echium sp.?
4. Perhaps Tragopogon porrifolius ssp. australis
http://botany.cz/cs/tragopogon-porrifolius-australis/


http://luirig.altervista.org/flora/tragopogon.htm
Title: Re: Gargano, unidentified species
Post by: ranunculus on November 20, 2010, 05:23:39 PM
Good orchid reference here:-

http://www.orchideedelgargano.it/9
Title: Re: Gargano, unidentified species
Post by: Kees Jan on November 20, 2010, 05:45:17 PM
Many thanks. Yes, the Tragopogon seems to be some sort of porrifolius form. I don't think the blue plant is an Echium though. Here is some sort of Corydalis, no idea which species... (The Anemone is apennina.)

Title: Re: Gargano, unidentified species
Post by: Lori S. on November 20, 2010, 06:07:34 PM
Yes, I see.
For the first plant, I got the impression that the cymes are rather one-sided, which doesn't seem to match the Italian Anchusa at the site below... ?

Anchusella cretica seems closer in that regard... What do you think?
http://luirig.altervista.org/photos/a/anchusella_cretica.htm
http://www.google.ca/images?client=safari&rls=en&q=anchusella%20cretica&oe=UTF-8&redir_esc=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1278&bih=617
Title: Re: Gargano, unidentified species
Post by: Kees Jan on November 20, 2010, 06:17:22 PM
Yes, I think you're right - It seems to be Anchusella cretica! Thanks. Here is a Viola found in deciduous woodland.
Title: Re: Gargano, unidentified species
Post by: ranunculus on November 20, 2010, 07:02:15 PM
Hi Kees,
We were in the Gargano in mid-April this year and saw a wonderful range of plants, especially orchids, and we obviously followed your route across from Naples.  The Gargano is incredibly quiet at that time of year and we struggled to find restaurants, hotels, etc., but the most disappointing aspect was the total disregard for the sanctity of this beautiful national park displayed by the hordes of local fly-tippers - numerous back roads, many roadside verges and every remote wood was sullied by fridges, sacks of rubbish and litter of the worst kind.  We found cyclamen, anemones and orchids growing up through cans, tyres and broken glass and were so very disappointed.
Title: Re: Gargano, unidentified species
Post by: Kees Jan on November 20, 2010, 07:27:35 PM
It seems to be the same in many places: Greece and Iran immediately come to my mind. >:( The amazing thing in Italy is perhaps that it is not just the countryside: Naples was a big mess and has a very bad reputation regarding this problem.
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