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Title: Schachen Alpine Garden, Germany
Post by: Philippe on November 07, 2010, 01:46:45 PM
Hi,

If not known yet, it will be done after having cliked

http://www.alsacephotos.fr/srgs/schachen/schachen.htm (http://www.alsacephotos.fr/srgs/schachen/schachen.htm)

And is certainly a place to visit in July!

Philippe


Title: Re: Schachen Alpine Garden, Germany
Post by: mark smyth on November 07, 2010, 01:53:17 PM
Philippe, I really like your style of photography
Title: Re: Schachen Alpine Garden, Germany
Post by: ashley on November 07, 2010, 03:00:11 PM
Philippe, I really like your style of photography

Magnificent.
Title: Re: Schachen Alpine Garden, Germany
Post by: hadacekf on November 07, 2010, 07:56:36 PM
Super photos, thank you.
Title: Re: Schachen Alpine Garden, Germany
Post by: Hans J on November 07, 2010, 08:16:30 PM
Phillipe ,

I have visit before many years this garden - we made a walk from Elmau to the hunting castle of King Ludwig II ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_House_on_Schachen

Regards
Hans
Title: Re: Schachen Alpine Garden, Germany
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on November 07, 2010, 08:50:33 PM
I can only add to the praises above, Philippe !!

Wonderful pictures !!!  :o :o
Title: Re: Schachen Alpine Garden, Germany
Post by: cohan on November 07, 2010, 11:31:01 PM
beautiful images of what seems like a very nice garden! looking forward to the next installment..


Title: Re: Schachen Alpine Garden, Germany
Post by: Paul T on November 09, 2010, 12:09:17 AM
Wow, Philippe.  Beautiful pics of a gorgeous place, by the look of it.  And those wonderful Primulas!!  :o

Thanks so much for sharing.
Title: Schachen Alpine Garden, Germany
Post by: Philippe on November 14, 2010, 10:46:15 AM
Hi
 
Here are now some pics of landscapes and native flora around the garden ( South Bavaria, Alps), at altitudes between 1800 and 2000m.asl.

Pic 1: At the Schachengrund, under the garden. Situated on the northern slope of the ridge above. A place of wonder! Meadows covered with beautiful plants and flowers. The kind of places we would like to have in
our rock gardens...
Because of the configuration of this place, the tumbling water, when raining, rushes from the rocks above to form a temporary furious torrent that runs far away, depending on the rain intensity, carrying more or less small
and bigger stones. Between those downpours, the vegetation sometimes manages to settle again in the dried bed of the flow: linaria alpina, doronicum grandiflorum, and many others. It's a good place to see and to
observe how plants communities form along the years, before everything is washed away again.
On the sides of those temporary water-stones torrents the soil becomes much more stable, and we find here a profusion of alpine meadows plants: gentiana bavarica, gentiana clusii, cirsium spinosissimum, androsace
villosa and dryas octopetala on the drier places, anthyllis vulneraria, and so on...
 

 
Pic 2: Nigritella nigra is part of these alpine meadows. It could be better named rubra, as I personally find its red opened flowers much more attractive than the ones black that aren't blooming yet. Don't we forget the
fact that the flowers are fragrant, that it is an orchid, and it becomes a high desirable plant for the rock garden, though probably not easily to please.

Pic 3: Androsace villosa. There were hundreds of it, here and there. I always wonder how do such tiny plants manage to survive amongst bigger ones and grasses, but it works! And it makes such a beautiful scene.

Pic 4: Dryas octopetala. It was the perfect time to see its flowering

Pic 5: Linaria alpina. The jewel of stony areas. I really loved to see it grow here over and under the white stones. It looks so fragile and is in fact easily torn by the moving stones or washed away by the torrent which
may flow again one day, but it is its environment, it needs such "violence" to spread around, and is simply lost if the soil becomes more stable and more favourable to more lasting plants-associations.
Of course, such a radical treatment isn't essential in the garden, as we are the ones that care for its well-being by taking away every possible competition. It then only need a very coarsely gritty soil that doesn't dry out
completely, and the appropriate climate, which is not always the easiest thing...

Pic 6: Thlaspi rotundifolium. Another inhabitant of mobile screes. It won't also tolerate too much competition in culture, and is looking in any case best when planted between rocks.

Pic 7: Gentiana clusii. In this limestone area, the counterpart of G.kochiana, which avoids calcareous soils

Pic 8: Rhododendron hirsutum. As for the gentian above, rhododendron hirsutum is to find preferably over limestone, whereas the "similar" R.ferrugineum grows on acidic soil in the wild. In my garden acidic soil, I find
R.hirsutum to grow with difficulty, but even in the wild it is never or seldom as beautiful as R.ferrugineum, which is more vigorous.

Pic 9: Doronicum grandiflorum

Pic 10: Tofieldia pusilla

 
Title: Re: Schachen Alpine Garden, Germany
Post by: Philippe on November 14, 2010, 10:49:05 AM
Higher up, at about 2000m.

Pic 1: GENTIANA bavarica was blooming everywhere you looked around.

 
Pic 2: PETROCALLIS pyrenaica. Hanging over the rocks.

 
Pic 3: RANUNCULUS alpestris. Near a refreshing snowpatch I found some usually early spring flowers, in the middle of the summer. The melting snow provided regular cold water supply, what also pleased:


Pic 4: SOLDANELLA alpina, and...


Pic 5: SOLDANELLA pusilla...


Pic 6: Both growing side by side, a wonderful sight!

Pic 7: SAXIFRAGA aizoides, in its beautiful red-orange variant

 
Pic 8,9,10: SILENE acaulis. Of course! Always deserving time to sit down near it, contemplating it, and photographing it!

 

 

 

 

 
Title: Re: Schachen Alpine Garden, Germany
Post by: Philippe on November 14, 2010, 10:51:35 AM
Some other views to finish

Pic 1: PEDICULARIS rostrato-capitata


PIC 2 : AQUILEGIA atrata, growing much lower, close to the forest.


PIC 3: Sunset over the bavarian Alps. The two tops right in the middle of the pic are part of the Wettersteingebirge, a group which includes the highest summit of Germany, Zugspitze, 2962m asl ( that we don't see on
this pic)


Pic 4: A view towards Austria to the south. Such cliffs could well have been home for Androsace helvetica, but I didn't see anything like this here.


Pic 5: Weather begins to turn...

 
Pic 6:..no wish to get surprised by a thunderstorm over there, which can come very quickly here.
Title: Re: Schachen Alpine Garden, Germany
Post by: Rob on November 14, 2010, 07:45:51 PM
Thank you for adding all these photos

Sunset pics are very popular, but I really like PIC 3: Sunset over the bavarian Alps. It stands out from the usual pictures.



Title: Re: Schachen Alpine Garden, Germany
Post by: cohan on November 15, 2010, 02:43:15 AM
wonderful! great plants, and the additional habitat notes are really helpful and interesting, too..
lots of beauties, but very interesting to see the orange S aizoides-i've only seen yellow in the mts here (not that i have seen it in many places..)
Title: Re: Schachen Alpine Garden, Germany
Post by: tonyg on November 15, 2010, 09:02:46 AM
Beautifully photographed, interesting to see and learn about.  Thanks for sharing your discoveries.
Title: Re: Schachen Alpine Garden, Germany
Post by: astragalus on November 15, 2010, 02:59:01 PM
Wonderful pictures, thank you for sharing.  Re: Sax. aizoides.  In the Dolomites you can see this - yellow with so many orange spots that from a little distance it appears to be a soft orange color.
Title: Re: Schachen Alpine Garden, Germany
Post by: Otto Fauser on November 16, 2010, 06:23:34 AM
Phillippe , your wonderful photos bring back fond memories of afew glorious days spent up on the Schachen  in the summer of 1961 . The Alpine Department of the Munich Bot . Garden was then under Wilhelm Schacht. WE too walked up starting at Schloss Elmau , quite easy when one is young and stayed at the Alm ,just opposite the gate to the Garten . and marvelled at the folly of King Ludwig's  Jagdschloss .
Title: Re: Schachen Alpine Garden, Germany
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on November 16, 2010, 04:29:51 PM
wonderful pictures Philippe !
Thanks so much for sharing !  :D
Title: Re: Schachen Alpine Garden, Germany
Post by: Maggi Young on May 20, 2011, 11:58:42 AM
At the recent Alpines 2011 event I was pleased to meet SRGC member Jenny Wainwright-Klein, a horticulturist based in Munich.

It is good to see that  Jenny, who has special connections to the Schachen Alpine Garden having worked there every summer for 15 years, has begun a Diary for the website of the Alpine Garden Society.
You can see her Schachen Garden Diary 'News from the Alpine Garden on the Schachen' here: http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/diaries/Schachen/+May+/346/

 
You may also, having been excited by Philippe's photos and report, be interested in a report on a similar visit to Scahahen from a Kew gardener..... http://www.kew.org/news/kew-blogs/katie-visits-munichs-alpengarten.htm



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