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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: cohan on October 04, 2010, 07:19:54 PM
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anyway, we went for a short jaunt into the mountains the other day, i'll post more on my alberta thread, and picasa, but for now, here is the highlight of the day--- i had never seen this plant before, in spite of two visits to the location, nor have i run into it elsewhere.. thought it would be a nice way to start the month..
luckily i found one in flower, which confirmed it as
Eriogonum sp (possibly lanceolatum androsaceum according to my reference..)
the little pink mounds were (almost) bright against the grey stone (dolomite?) and i found 5 plants over the small area (several hundred metres at most)..
any thoughts on id are welcome..sadly, no seeds to be found...
note the variation in leaf shape, even among these few plants; the one in flower had the widest leaves, others were all narrower..
Edit by maggi:
Now determined to be Eriogonum androsaceum see http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5641.msg173849#msg173849 frof comments from Dr. James L. Reveal, Ph.D, Professor Emeritus, University of Maryland and noted authority on the genus Eriogonum
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a couple of views of the setting, which is a small area carved off from a mountain slope on the high side by the highway (not the road you see in the second shot, that's just an access road to this small area), and sloping down to Abraham Lake on the other....part of the area is exposed rock mixed with gravel, part is deeper sandy/clayey soil with grasses and trees in some spots (Gaillardia, Linum etc); well below tree line, but the exposed rock areas are very exposed, featuring Dryas integrifolia etc..
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The eriogonums are very nice and would look great in that landscape. They are incredibly tough in a garden situation bearing drought and heat as well as snow and frost. I like them a lot and it is a shame that they seem, to me, to be under-rated. Ron Ratko does a good seed list selection.
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Fantastic buckwheat Cohan, particularly the first leaf form.... love the gray & pink coloration, worth growing these for the cushions alone, as well as the fall foliage color which is dramatic in some species.
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thanks, lesley and mark--i like the eriogonums tremendously as well--alplains lists a number, as does beavercreek; i have a couple of tiny seedlings from alplains seed this spring, hope they make the winter..they are hinting at similar colours to this...
this find was one of my biggest thrills of all the native plants i have seen/photographed--the only other eriogonum i have seen in person was E flavum in southern alberta- that is a great plant, but much larger and looser in form than this, and the colours on these plants are just crazy! it always amazes me that one can visit the same site a number of times at slightly/different seasons and find new things all the time (of course even more so when visits are rather hurried, although i look very closely, there just isn't enough time to do a careful grid search)...
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I think you might mean Eriogonum ovalifolium, Cohan.
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I think you might mean Eriogonum ovalifolium, Cohan.
actually i'm not at all sure about what it is, since i still have only a poor reference (i bought seeds in the spring instead of the flora :-[ )
but i actually meant to say E androsaceum (i'll go back and fix that, thanks, lori), which royer and dickinson mention as having narrower leaves--they describe ovalifolium as having oval to round leaves which these absolutely did not have; i imagine it (ovalifolium) is variable over its considerable range, though, so i don't know if that really rules it out..
i didn't find any online images in a quick search that really helped, neither did the distribution maps in royer and dickinson--- ovalifolium only shows 2 tiny specks on the alberta map, neither of which really matches where i was (i know that's no guarantee, i think often the areas i am in have not been checked that much) and they don't give a map for androsaceum...
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I haven't managed yet to find anything in this area that I could convince myself was E. androsaceum, but it was formerly said to be a subspecies of E. flavum and similar to it (though found in the high alpine, unlike your plant). I don't see that the inflorescence on your plant has a subtending circle of bracts, as on E. flavum. This description (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=250060170) does say, however, that the subtending bracts on E. androsaceum are "often" absent... but I have never, ever seen subtending bracts on the plant you show (and it is common in some alpine areas here).
I'd still say your plant is E. ovalifolium... but it would be great if someone who has more knowledge of North American eriogonums would jump in, as I have puzzled over "E. androsaceum" frequently also!
Your plant is the same one that occurs commonly above treeline in dry scree in this area (and less commonly in wetter alpine areas) - this link shows some photos of it (and also of E. umbellatum in different habitat in the same area).
http://nargs.org/smf/index.php?topic=343.45
Here's the description of E. ovalifolium, which indicates leaf shape as quite variable: "blade oblanceolate to elliptic or spatulate to rounded". (The one that occurs in Alberta, BTW, is var. ovalifolium).
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=250060437
The Royer and Dickinson book (which I also have) is useful and a cut above many others (mainly as it contains more species), but like other books of its kind, I find it sometimes tries to simplify things overly much (compared to more in-depth references), which can also be a bit misleading at times.
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Some actual pictures,
a tiny Sternbergia sicula from Crete,
Nymphaea x daubenyana, a light blue Nymphaeahybrid,
Merendera montana with 5 petals, as every year,
a tiny beauty is Muscari parviflorum, received this autumn from Jenny Archibald,
not large but more floriferous Cyclamen cilicium,
Narcissus elegans - also very floriferous (a pic for Maggi ;))
Arbutus unedo fruits - beautyful, but not very tasty
and a single leaf of a Cyclamen graecum
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thanks, lori--i'll take your word that its ovalifolium--i knew from seed lists that the species should be quite variable, but clearly this plant does not have round or oval leaves as in royer/dickinson, so that threw me off..
it certainly can't be anything rare, as i found 5 plants in this small area, which is essentially the lowest slope of a 'small mountain'; the pattern of bare rock alternating with patches of woods and other vegetation continues up from this site, after the unnatural (but probably not a barrier to at least windblown seed) divide of the highway carved through..
likely the distribution map in the same book needs to be filled in more!
i didn't see the ovalifolium at first in your nargs link, but went back a page and found it... very different looking in green summer colours...
i assumed you must be posting there, but i haven't bothered visiting much since i can't post...lol
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Hans, Narcissus elegans is awesome! Love it :o
Now some actual discussion on the challenging cushion plants, the North American buckwheats or Eriogonum. It seems that the species E. androsaceum is one that "falls through the cracks", a legitimate species but one that does not show up much when doing a google search, and almost no reliable photos seem to be available. I checked the pages of James Reveal, the father of Eriogonum, at: http://www.plantsystematics.org/reveal/
but in the photo galleries there are no photos of E. androsaceum, although he has an entry for it being a legit species.
http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=ERAN5
I went searching the references, and found an article entitled "Some Elegant Eriogonums" by Roy Davidson, Bulletin of the American Rock Garden Society, Vol.34, Fall 1976, No.4, which reports: "a congested bun, forming a domed, rosy-tinted mound with brown-marcescent leaves below, the fresh ones pallid green cobwebbed with hairs, turning pretty pinkish and then to a soft brown-rose. Above this the flowers are a strong yellow, of mustard richness, and also with a rosy glow, topping off short stalks with a midway interruption of small leafy bracts. This might be sometimes listed as a taxonomic ally of E. flavum, from which it is said to differ markely in its compact habit and consequent greater appeal to the gardener; certainly it is rich reward in itself, a fairly glowing polster."
From Cohan's photos, I can't make out whether there are some cauline leafy bracts on the flowering stems, and Lori as you point out, the floras report that this characteristic (mid stem bracts) is not necessarily consistent, although from what I can see in my research, E. flavum has such intermediate stem bracts, whereas E. androsaceum does not. Maybe Mr. Reveal could offer an opinion, his email is available on the link I provide.
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a few from me, Viola hederacea (isn't that now something else, not even a viola?) allium callimishon (is that spelt right, I couldn't find it on google), oxalis lobata 9that now has a new name now maybe).
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a few from me, Viola hederacea (isn't that now something else, not even a viola?) allium callimishon (is that spelt right, I couldn't find it on google), oxalis lobata 9that now has a new name now maybe).
Mark, a very fine pot full of Allium callimischon ssp. haemostictum!
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a few from me, Viola hederacea (isn't that now something else, not even a viola?) allium callimishon (is that spelt right, I couldn't find it on google), oxalis lobata that now has a new name now maybe).
it's Allium callimischon, Mark. and with the red spots,Allium callimischon ssp. haemostictum , if I follow McMark aright!
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it's Allium callimischon, Mark. and with the red spots,Allium callimischon ssp. haemostictum , if I follow McMark aright!
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a few from me, Viola hederacea (isn't that now something else, not even a viola?)
Mark, This species a long time ago was named Erpetion reniforme but thanks God it became reintegrated to the violets!
Gerd
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Hans, Narcissus elegans is awesome! Love it :o
Now some actual discussion on the challenging cushion plants, the North American buckwheats or Eriogonum. It seems that the species E. androsaceum is one that "falls through the cracks", a legitimate species but one that does not show up much when doing a google search, and almost no reliable photos seem to be available. I checked the pages of James Reveal, the father of Eriogonum, at: http://www.plantsystematics.org/reveal/
but in the photo galleries there are no photos of E. androsaceum, although he has an entry for it being a legit species.
http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=ERAN5
I went searching the references, and found an article entitled "Some Elegant Eriogonums" by Roy Davidson, Bulletin of the American Rock Garden Society, Vol.34, Fall 1976, No.4, which reports: "a congested bun, forming a domed, rosy-tinted mound with brown-marcescent leaves below, the fresh ones pallid green cobwebbed with hairs, turning pretty pinkish and then to a soft brown-rose. Above this the flowers are a strong yellow, of mustard richness, and also with a rosy glow, topping off short stalks with a midway interruption of small leafy bracts. This might be sometimes listed as a taxonomic ally of E. flavum, from which it is said to differ markely in its compact habit and consequent greater appeal to the gardener; certainly it is rich reward in itself, a fairly glowing polster."
From Cohan's photos, I can't make out whether there are some cauline leafy bracts on the flowering stems, and Lori as you point out, the floras report that this characteristic (mid stem bracts) is not necessarily consistent, although from what I can see in my research, E. flavum has such intermediate stem bracts, whereas E. androsaceum does not. Maybe Mr. Reveal could offer an opinion, his email is available on the link I provide.
mark, i have more and larger photos than what i posted here, although unfortunately none were taken specifically to show the features of the flower stalk--the problem with consulting floras after leaving the field with photos! however, i do not think there are any bracts midstalk from what i can see in the full size images(only this one plant of the 5 had flowers, none of the others had even dried stalks)..
here are a couple of closer views of flowers and leaves...these are again the plant with widest leaves..
certainly the habit is very very different from the E flavum which i saw in southern alberta--a far larger and more open plant(not large, but compared to these tiny things..), though still, to me, very desirable..
Edit by maggi:
Now determined to be Eriogonum androsaceum see http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5641.msg173849#msg173849 frof comments from Dr. James L. Reveal, Ph.D, Professor Emeritus, University of Maryland and noted authority on the genus Eriogonum
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certainly the habit is very very different from the E flavum which i saw in southern alberta--a far larger and more open plant(not large, but compared to these tiny things..), though still, to me, very desirable..
for comparison, here are two pics of E flavum from southern alberta..
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No, there are certainly no prominent, midstem bracts (as on E. flavum and E. umbellatum) on your plant, nor ever on the ones I see in abundance in certain areas around here.
However, as I zoom in on my many photos of what I assumed to be E. ovalifolium, and try to apply the basis of E. ovalifolium having 3 bracts and no peduncles, and E. androsaceum having 5-7 bracts and stipes/peduncles, I'm starting to wonder now if the ones I see aren't actually E. androsaceum??
I haven't seen any flowers that were "strong yellow" (re. Davidson) on these plants though, not even as they age.
(By the way, Moss/Packer's key also notes, as the final distinguishing feature that E. androsaceum has "flowers attentuate, with a stipe-like base" while E. ovalifolium has "flowers not attentuate, lacking a stipe-like base". I'm not seeing that they are exactly attenuate, but if I'm interpreting it correctly, there may be a stipe-like base.)
Hmm, guess I'll have to dissect flowers next year to see if the tepals vary in shape from the outer flowers to the inner ones (as in E. ovalifolium)... ??
As noted, it's definitely very curious that E. androsaceum is spoken of in glowing terms as a rock garden plant in several accounts, yet there seems to be essentially no photo record... !
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thanks for the correction on the allium name.
Gerdk, perhaps this is a reason for holding onto old plant labels, sooner or later the name will come back into being correct! :)
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Hans,
I'm mad, mad, mad jealous of your Arbutus unedo. Although it is native to parts of Ireland I have never managed to keep it growing more than ten years here in the garden and, even then, it was always on the way out, looked a bit sick in itself, struggling to cling to life. Such a pity. Lovely to see it growing so well. Beautiful fruit, as you say, but insipid.
Paddy
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I'm trying to think if I know of an Arbutus unedo d growing well and fruiting in Aberdeen. There may be one at the Cruickshank Botanic Garden.... Roma will know better than I.
However, without wishing to ruin Paddy's day completely, I do know that 60 or so miles south of us, in Invergowrie, by Dundee and the shores of the Tay, Margaret and Henry Taylor have a large and impressive specimen in their garden. :-X
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Maggi,
There are many, many healthy and well-growing arbutus growing here in Ireland. It is naturalised in parts of the country. It is just that I haven't managed to keep it going here in the garden. Such a nice plant.
Paddy
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Maggi,
There are many, many healthy and well-growing arbutus growing here in Ireland. It is naturalised in parts of the country. It is just that I haven't managed to keep it going here in the garden. Such a nice plant.
Paddy
I have one in a very large tub in the garden and it grows well and flowers too, but it rarely sets fruit, so I don't get wonderful bunches like Hans.
Graham
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There is a large plant of Arbutus unedo in the Cruickshank Botanic Garden. It Flowers well but I do not remember ever seeing fruit on it.
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No, there are certainly no prominent, midstem bracts (as on E. flavum and E. umbellatum) on your plant, nor ever on the ones I see in abundance in certain areas around here.
However, as I zoom in on my many photos of what I assumed to be E. ovalifolium, and try to apply the basis of E. ovalifolium having 3 bracts and no peduncles, and E. androsaceum having 5-7 bracts and stipes/peduncles, I'm starting to wonder now if the ones I see aren't actually E. androsaceum??
I haven't seen any flowers that were "strong yellow" (re. Davidson) on these plants though, not even as they age.
(By the way, Moss/Packer's key also notes, as the final distinguishing feature that E. androsaceum has "flowers attentuate, with a stipe-like base" while E. ovalifolium has "flowers not attentuate, lacking a stipe-like base". I'm not seeing that they are exactly attenuate, but if I'm interpreting it correctly, there may be a stipe-like base.)
Hmm, guess I'll have to dissect flowers next year to see if the tepals vary in shape from the outer flowers to the inner ones (as in E. ovalifolium)... ??
As noted, it's definitely very curious that E. androsaceum is spoken of in glowing terms as a rock garden plant in several accounts, yet there seems to be essentially no photo record... !
looking up stipe didn't help me a lot in reference to these flowers, since it seems to be a kind of vague term used for various kinds of supporting stalks..maybe it would be clear if you actually had samples of those with and without the added stalk/'stipe-like base' to compare..
i'll be interested to hear what you find next year.since this is the only place i have seen these plants, i can't guarantee i will see them in flower, i was probably lucky to see the one plant in flower so late this time...
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Here A. unedo crops regularly, though not as profusely as Hans'. However I like the taste of the fruit (from my clone anyway) even if the texture is a bit gritty. Unfortunately we've never had enough to try cooking or baking with them.
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Stop boasting, Ashley, you are practically living in the Caribbean.
Paddy
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;D
Last winter was distinctly un-Caribbean Paddy and there may be more to come so I'm not bothering to replace any tender things that were lost.
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Later in the year then, I'll be able to post pics of Arbutus unedo fruiting so much that the ground underneath becomes a disgusting mushy carpet of red and yellow (uncooked) jam, especially when overhanging an asphalt path.
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Paddy, did you ever try Arbutus unedo in a large pot? I don't find it difficult at all....
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Some autumn pics.
1. Colchicum, sorbus, arum, tropaeolum
2. Some berries
3. Eucomis bicolor seedpods
4. Nerine sarniensis
5. Colchicum speciosus Album and Col. Waterlilly
6. Col. speciosus Album and Crocus nudiflorus
7. A peculiar 'Blackbird'
And some nice surprises:
8. Galathus Reginae Olgae self seeded
9. Narcissus elegans. Only a single flower - nothing compared to Gerd's impressive autumnflowering narcissus - but it is my very first.
Poul
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I went to Bath, Somerset earlier in the week & thought this lion was one of the best formal park plantings that I've ever seen.
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What is the Lion's body and pedestal made out of? Looks like balls of blue cheese?
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Paddy, did you ever try Arbutus unedo in a large pot? I don't find it difficult at all....
Hans, no, I have never even thought of planting it in a pot and it is something for me to consider. Paddy
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Poul, your Autumn seems to be very colourful !! :D
We had two glorious days with temperatures reaching 22°C and full sun all day - I like an October like this... ;D
Here's some from my garden over the last few days :
1 and 2 : Sternbergia sicula 'Dodona Gold' - what a giant ??? Sending up 2 flowers from 1 bulb. Thanks Poul !
3 and 4 : Gentiana scabra "Zuiko Rindo"
5 : Helleborus orientalis seems to be mixed up with its calander... ;D
6 : Oxalis enneaphylla - Dark eye - seems to have the same problem !
7 : newly planted young Cyclamen hederifolium
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Great lion - I love the mane! The balls of blue cheese might be echeverias.
Luc, what a pretty pink gentian.
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Poul, your Autumn seems to be very colourful !! :D
We had two glorious days with temperatures reaching 22°C and full sun all day - I like an October like this... ;D
Here's some from my garden over the last few days :
1 and 2 : Sternbergia sicula 'Dodona Gold' - what a giant ??? Sending up 2 flowers from 1 bulb. Thanks Poul !
3 and 4 : Gentiana scabra "Zuiko Rindo"
5 : Helleborus orientalis seems to be mixed up with its calander... ;D
6 : Oxalis enneaphylla - Dark eye - seems to have the same problem !
7 : newly planted young Cyclamen hederifolium
Thank you Luc!
October weather is also sunny in Denmark and my flowers and I likes it too.
I am glad that your Dodona Gold performs well, this clone is very floriferious. Your bulbs is from this clump:
1. Sternbergia sicula 'Dodona Gold'
2. I have this Crocus pallasii thanks too Dima. Flowering for the first time this year.
3. Another first time flowering is this cyclamen mirabilis. I got seeds from Hans J. last year and it is flowering this year!
It is nice to have good SRGC friends :)
Poul
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We had two glorious days with temperatures reaching 22°C and full sun all day - I like an October like this... ;D
Here's some from my garden over the last few days :
3 and 4 : Gentiana scabra "Zuiko Rindo"
Luc, I attended a meeting of the Berkshire Chapter of NARGS today, and the speaker from Broken Arrow Nursery in Connecticut brought a number of plants to show and tell with (and ultimately for purchase), and he had a very large pot of this Gentiana scabra cultivar; must have been 18" across (45 cm) or more, and with hundreds of blooms, a spectacular cultivar to be sure.
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Hi, all :) Thalictrum grandiflorum white flower form is now blooming in a pot. I really love this pristine flowers swinging on their slender stems.
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Hi, all :) Thalictrum grandiflorum white flower form is now blooming in a pot. I really love this pristine flowers swinging on their slender stems.
very beautiful!
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Very pretty YT. How big is the flower in grandiflorum?
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Really lovely flower and picture, thanks YT for sharing.
Angie :)
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Thank you, cohan! Your pictures of Canadian native alpines are interesting!
Gail, the flower of my Thalictrum grandiflorum is 38-40mm in diameter (from tip to tip) and the plant is less than 30cm tall.
Thank you, Angie! It's the first time to see this beautiful flower at my bench and decided sharing this.
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We had two glorious days with temperatures reaching 22°C and full sun all day - I like an October like this... ;D
Here's some from my garden over the last few days :
3 and 4 : Gentiana scabra "Zuiko Rindo"
Luc, I attended a meeting of the Berkshire Chapter of NARGS today, and the speaker from Broken Arrow Nursery in Connecticut brought a number of plants to show and tell with (and ultimately for purchase), and he had a very large pot of this Gentiana scabra cultivar; must have been 18" across (45 cm) or more, and with hundreds of blooms, a spectacular cultivar to be sure.
Thanks for the info Mc Mark ! Sounds very promising.
Mine is a young plant, purchased last spring.
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Hi, all :) Thalictrum grandiflorum white flower form is now blooming in a pot. I really love this pristine flowers swinging on their slender stems.
YT, a delightful little Thalictrum, one rarely seen. Do you have a photo of the foliage too? After all, that's one reason we like to grow Thalictrum is for the foliage.
Looking up the name Thalictrum grandiflorum, I came across some confusion. It is described in Flora of China, growing only 20-30 tall, described by author Maximowicz in 1889.
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200008204
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=40666&flora_id=2
The name grandiflorum was also described by Rose in the US National Herbarium in 1897 (just 8 years later) this one now regarded as T. grandifolium Watson, a species from Mexico, in the Sierra Madre, Chihuahua, and in Durango.
I have always wondered why more of the small Thalictrum are not seen more often in cultivation; I grow T. integrilobum which I got from Kazuo Mori many years ago, and this little plants, with tiny down-turned linear lobes, almost never flowers, only rarely making a white flower puff. It still clings to life, just barely, in my garden.
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Thank you, cohan! Your pictures of Canadian native alpines are interesting!
Gail, the flower of my Thalictrum grandiflorum is 38-40mm in diameter (from tip to tip) and the plant is less than 30cm tall.
Thank you, Angie! It's the first time to see this beautiful flower at my bench and decided sharing this.
thanks, YT, that's one of the fun parts of the forum, to see what is growing in other places :)
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...the flower of my Thalictrum grandiflorum is 38-40mm in diameter (from tip to tip) and the plant is less than 30cm tall.
Wow, 4 cm flowers on a thalictrum... how extraordinary!
Here we are at the ragged end of our season, after an even cooler than usual, and wet, summer. Many plants chose not to bloom at all, and others, very late.
1) Onosma stellulata still in bloom... too late for seedexes this year, I guess.
2, 3) The extremely odd flowers of water hawthorn, Aponogeton distachyos, a South African water plant. Even in our very short season, it has a dormant period through the height of summer, then puts out leaves and flowers again in fall.
4) Epilobium canum spp. garrettii
5) Our native Aster (now ???) ericoides ssp. pansus , still in bloom in the front yard a few days ago
6) Woodsy scene
7) Thalictrum delavayi var. decorum
8 ) Last shot, probably, of tropical Nymphaea 'Crystal', as the ponds will be emptied soon for winter.
9) And Nymphaea 'Ganna Walska', another tropical.
10) Another native still in bloom here, broomweed, Gutierriza diversifolia, with Carlina acaulis behind.
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you're doing quite well still, lori :)
i especially like the Carlina;
some native Asters still going around here too; a few other garden stragglers, but it starts to get pretty shady in my yard by now :(
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Welcome to the SRGC Forum Tatsuo (Am I correct in thinking that Tatsuo is what we would call your forename or first name?). You will find many friends here and lots of helpful information as well as images of beautiful or curious plants.
Have you come across a man called Kazuo Mori? He and I used to correspond some year ago and he visited NZ on one occasion (way back about 1970 I think) and brought some special plants for me. He wrote a beautiful book about Japanese alpines, of which I have a copy but it is all in Japanese characters, so I can't read it but the photos are wonderful. :)
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YT, a delightful little Thalictrum, one rarely seen. Do you have a photo of the foliage too? After all, that's one reason we like to grow Thalictrum is for the foliage.
Mark, here is the photo for your request. Can you find the yellow spots on the leaves? That’s the reason I didn’t show you the whole plant photo at first. We had deadly heat and dry summer (and have ‘hot’ autumn now) this year and couldn’t prevent spider mites attack these leaves.
Looking up the name Thalictrum grandiflorum, I came across some confusion. It is described in Flora of China, growing only 20-30 tall, described by author Maximowicz in 1889.
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200008204
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=40666&flora_id=2
The name grandiflorum was also described by Rose in the US National Herbarium in 1897 (just 8 years later) this one now regarded as T. grandifolium Watson, a species from Mexico, in the Sierra Madre, Chihuahua, and in Durango.
Yes, I had the same confusion between Maximowicz and Rose. Your ‘grandi-folium’ makes me clear now. Thank you!
I have always wondered why more of the small Thalictrum are not seen more often in cultivation; I grow T. integrilobum which I got from Kazuo Mori many years ago, and this little plants, with tiny down-turned linear lobes, almost never flowers, only rarely making a white flower puff. It still clings to life, just barely, in my garden.
I’ve never seen T. integrilobum in wild condition but it is said that they grow along streams in one of the coldest area in Hokkaido Island.
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Wow, 4 cm flowers on a thalictrum... how extraordinary!
Lori, yes, my plant has relatively larger flower than average of this species. I’ll try to select more round petal flowers from its seedlings :)
Welcome to the SRGC Forum Tatsuo (Am I correct in thinking that Tatsuo is what we would call your forename or first name?). You will find many friends here and lots of helpful information as well as images of beautiful or curious plants.
Have you come across a man called Kazuo Mori? He and I used to correspond some year ago and he visited NZ on one occasion (way back about 1970 I think) and brought some special plants for me. He wrote a beautiful book about Japanese alpines, of which I have a copy but it is all in Japanese characters, so I can't read it but the photos are wonderful. :)
Lesley, thank you very much for your warm welcome. It’s right my given name is Tatsuo. Japanese people usually put their family name first same as Hungarians. I spot your posts everywhere in the Forum, so I’ve already known you much better than you’ve known me! I’m also interested in spring flowering dwarf bulbs, so perhaps we meet again in Crocus and Narcissus forum later ;) I know Mr. Mori by his wonderful books but unfortunately I haven’t had an opportunity to meet him yet… :(
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I'm sure we'll meet here, there and everywhere on the Forum Tatsuo. Kindest regards. :)
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Impatiens namchabarwensis is still flowering in a shady sport!
Gerd
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What a nice Thalictrum Lori ! I didn't know it ;)
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Thanks Tatsuo for showing the whole plant on Thalictrum grandiflorum, remarkably large flowers for the small size of the plant. It always surprises me that more of the many dwarf species of Thalictrum are not in cultivation; this one looks to be one that would interest most rock gardeners.
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2, 3) The extremely odd flowers of water hawthorn, Aponogeton distachyos, a South African water plant. Even in our very short season, it has a dormant period through the height of summer, then puts out leaves and flowers again in fall.
5) Our native Aster (now ???) ericoides ssp. pansus , still in bloom in the front yard a few days ago
7) Thalictrum delavayi var. decorum
Lori, as we can always depend on from your posts, a delightful assortment of plants still blooming in fall. The flowers on Aponogeton are indeed peculiar, never seen anything quite like it. Flowers on Thalictrum delavayi var. decorum are most elegant. How tall does this one grow? Is it normally a fall bloomer or are these late blooms on an earlier bloomer?
One that intrigues me is Aster ericoides var. pansum, which for the most part has a more northerly distribution than ssp. ericoides. Of course, all of these are Symphyotrichum now ::) but I still call them aster. I find the type species is extremely variable in the wild populations I have seen, I wonder how Aster ericoides var. pansum differs. I made it somewhat of a personal project to select and grow superior Aster ericoides forms, from the prostrate form, to extra dense and floriferous tall forms. In fact, I just received a plant of Aster ericoides 'Schneegitter', the German name translates to "snow fence", an odd name, but I think it might refer to the numerous rigidly erect stems to 2' tall.
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The flowers on Aponogeton are indeed peculiar
Wonderful sculpted flowers.... and they smell delicious!
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My favourite flower in my garden at the moment is a Korean, Aster scaber (seed propagated from Berkutenko). This was traditionally one of the most popular wild foraged vegetables in Korea (spring shoots) and is nowadays also cultivated as a vegetable due to demand from city folk. One of my favourite edimentals... There are 3 or 4 plants together in the pictures merged into one giant umbel. I ate all the shoots of these plants in the spring and both I and the plants recovered from the experience as you can see - very tasty actually....
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My favourite flower in my garden at the moment is a Korean, Aster scaber (seed propagated from Berkutenko). This was traditionally one of the most popular wild foraged vegetables in Korea (spring shoots) and is nowadays also cultivated as a vegetable due to demand from city folk. One of my favourite edimentals... There are 3 or 4 plants together in the pictures merged into one giant umbel. I ate all the shoots of these plants in the spring and both I and the plants recovered from the experience as you can see - very tasty actually....
an interesting one--cool that you can harvest it without slowing it down
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The flowers on Aponogeton are indeed peculiar
Wonderful sculpted flowers.... and they smell delicious!
They're edible too. Here's a recipe to make waterblommetjie (translates as water flower) bredie, a South African dish using the flowers and buds.
http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantab/aponogetondist.htm
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They're edible too. Here's a recipe to make waterblommetjie (translates as water flower) bredie, a South African dish using the flowers and buds.
http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantab/aponogetondist.htm
Isn't that amazing! However, with only a couple of flowers at present, we could only make the tiniest of appetizers...
Thalictrum delavayi var. decorum is about 1m tall, and starts to bloom in late summer for me. (I don't get much rebloom on much of anything here.)
Here is a key for and a description of Symphyotrichum ericoides pansum... haven't absorbed these yet, but here they are for your interest, Mark...
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=250067642
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=250068830
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They're edible too. Here's a recipe to make waterblommetjie (translates as water flower) bredie, a South African dish using the flowers and buds.
http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantab/aponogetondist.htm
Interesting, Calvin. I read about this plant in Ben-Erik van Wyk's excellent book People’s Plants. A Guide to Useful Plants of Southern Africa(http://www.namibiana.de/people-s-plants-a-guide-to-useful-plants-of-southern-africa.html). I hadn't realised I'd seen it before now. I saw the distinctive flowers in a wetland area at the Hillier Arboretum in Hampshire, England this summer but I couldn't find a plant label! Must try to get a tuber!
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Here is a key for and a description of Symphyotrichum ericoides pansum... haven't absorbed these yet, but here they are for your interest, Mark...
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=250067642
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=250068830
Thanks Lori, I have looked at these. Frankly, the sublevel distinctions are hooey in my opinion. I've examined many populations of Aster ericoides, and widely diverse forms can be found in close proximity. The separation of var. pansum fails to take into account dwarf caespitose forms found in eastern USA, well beyond the so-called range of var. pansum by about 1000 miles.
What is also interesting about this species, is that it is widely misunderstood and misidentified species in Europe. The Flora of North America link you gave has this to say: "A number of aster cultivars are sold under the name "Aster ericoides." These are all derived from European garden plants and are either cultivars of S. dumosum, S. lateriflorum, S. pilosum, or S. racemosum, or hybrids involving one of those species and another taxon. The misapplication of the epithet ericoides dates back to the nineteenth century and has persisted in the horticultural literature".
I noticed this myself when doing searches on Aster (Symphyotrichum) ericoides and the small number of valid ericoides cultivars , there are many European sites that still sell fancy hybrids that look nothing like A. ericoides, but are identified as such.
I include a photo of my large Aster mound... 3 white-flowering species, A. ericoides, A. pilosus, and A. lateriflorus (white form), the planting as large as a shrub, about 5' tall x 10' across. The difference between these species is evident upon close view, but from afar, they can look similar.
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Very interesting, Mark, and nothing I know anything about, needless to say! (The plants I bought years ago of Aster ericoides ssp. pansum were from a woman in town who has a business of collecting wild seed and growing up plants for various projects, so I'm pretty confident they at least were not cultivated plants, anyway.)
We went from 23 deg C on Thursday, to snow all morning on Friday and -3 C overnight... no new blooms here!
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Flowering now is Tricyrtis macrantha macranthopsis, even though the urban foxes have twice dug right underneath to try and make a den.
Mike
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That's areal favourite of mine, Mike, and looking very good after all that foxy abuse!
Wish I could say the same for mine, which has dwindled and is, now that I think about it, no longer alive! :'( >:(
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Flowering now is Tricyrtis macrantha macranthopsis, even though the urban foxes have twice dug right underneath to try and make a den.
Mike
Oh the memories :'( :'( Thanks for showing this wonderful fall bloomer.
I grew this for 4-5 years, perhaps the most spectacular of all Tricyrtis, but the area in which it was planted was persistently tunneled by moles and chipmunks, and I eventually lost it... tears again :'( :'(
The most amazing aspect of this plant is hard to capture on camera, at least on my lousy entry-level cameras, is that the articulate, divided, ornamented purple style has a ring of golden "flakes" that glisten in sunlight, I've never seen anything quite like it. So, I upload a couple photos (of my long departed plant... sniff, sniff) where you can sort of see the style articulation, but we need Cliff or Olga or someone with a better camera than mine to show that detail, with sun shining to see the reflectivity.
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Gorgeous, never seen it in full flower. My only picture is of a plant at RHS Rosemoor in Devon in bud and what is it growing next to? Apparently, Aster ericoides prostratus! Picture taken in 29th September.
Haven't succeeded with it here - too late I guess as is T. hirta...
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Gorgeous, never seen it in full flower. My only picture is of a plant at RHS Rosemoor in Devon in bud and what is it growing next to? Apparently, Aster ericoides prostratus! Picture taken in 29th September.
Haven't succeeded with it here - too late I guess as is T. hirta...
Stephen, you have woven the threads together, well done! Tricyrtis macranthopsis is the only species that persisted through a number of years, typically my garden seems the kiss of death on Tricyrtis and they never last more than two years.
PS: I can find the names T. macrantha and T. macranthopsis, Flora of Japan maintains the two separate species, and cites "T. macrantha var. macranthopsis" as a synonym for T. macranthopsis. Has the varietal status with macrantha been restored, if so, when?
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Maggi/Mark
I struggled to cultivate Tricyrtis macrantha macranthopsis until I was told it was seen growing in the wild with a constant mist/spray from a waterfall. Also if the foliage is in direct sunlight it scorches really badly & the flower buds abort. Even though the foxes dug up a large amount, which ended up bare rooted and dry, all pieces with roots have survived. I also spray the plant daily with water in warm weather.
Mike
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Maggi/Mark
I struggled to cultivate Tricyrtis macrantha macranthopsis until I was told it was seen growing in the wild with a constant mist/spray from a waterfall. Also if the foliage is in direct sunlight it scorches really badly & the flower buds abort. Even though the foxes dug up a large amount, which ended up bare rooted and dry, all pieces with roots have survived. I also spray the plant daily with water in warm weather.
Mike
Good to know Mike, in case I get the plant again. I had no particular problem cultivating the plant, and it even got some direct sunlight and the spot was rather dry (though I think it would've been happier in a more moist situation). It just couldn't tolerate the incessant tunneling by moles and chipmunks in the area... I should have have moved it sooner as I did with several other embattled plants in this particular bed.
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Maggi/Mark
I struggled to cultivate Tricyrtis macrantha macranthopsis until I was told it was seen growing in the wild with a constant mist/spray from a waterfall. Also if the foliage is in direct sunlight it scorches really badly & the flower buds abort. Even though the foxes dug up a large amount, which ended up bare rooted and dry, all pieces with roots have survived. I also spray the plant daily with water in warm weather.
Mike
I knew about the watery habits of the plant and so planted it close by a bird bath, so it was splashed with water when the birds bathed and when the bath was cleaned out or overflowed..... I thought it would regard the position as heaven on earth.Flipping thing just went to heaven. :( :'(
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Spent the afternoon in my garden with a national collection holder (NCCPG) of Asplenium scolopendrium. While we were chatting about ferns a few Cyclamen attracted my attention. Some quick pictures before the sun sets for winter.... (well the way the temperate has dropped in the last half hour it feels like winter is arriving!)
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Splendid leaf forms John, worth growing even if they never flowered, but in the case of cyclamen of course the flowers are good too. You have quite the collection. :o
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I particularly like those leaf forms in pics 3 & 6 John, lovely collection :)
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1,3 and 5 are my favourites. Scolly looks nice too, have you any more?
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Two new threads have appeared in my Inbox, Alpines - Plants and Alpines -Iris. There was one yesterday Alpines - Blue Corydalis. Each seems to be a potentially very interesting list of relevant species. But when I click on them to open, I get the "Error has occurred......" message and there's nothing there. Anyone know what's going on?
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Yes, Lesley... those threads were begun by a forumists who was using them to post lists of plants for sale- and which I regarded as suspicious - they have been removed.
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Scolly looks nice too, have you any more?
scolopendrium or cyclamen? The answer is yes to both. :D
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After coming back from our trip to Scotland it was nice to see these plants in flower here :D
Allium thunbergii var. Ozawa
Nerine bowdenii Marnie Rogerson
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Purple and white forms of Allium thunbergii ('Ozawa') are in bloom here now. Any reason you're growing yours in pots rather than in ground? They're quite hardy for us here in the northeastern US.
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Like your Nerine bowdenii Marnie Rogerson 8)
Angie :)
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Maggi/Mark
I struggled to cultivate Tricyrtis macrantha macranthopsis until I was told it was seen growing in the wild with a constant mist/spray from a waterfall. Also if the foliage is in direct sunlight it scorches really badly & the flower buds abort. Even though the foxes dug up a large amount, which ended up bare rooted and dry, all pieces with roots have survived. I also spray the plant daily with water in warm weather.
Mike
Hello,
Very nice and enticing pictures of the Tricyrtis, and from Mike's description, just the plant for a wet west-coast garden. I must try!
The autumn in the Northern Hemisphere mountains (autumn anywhere I guess, but it keeps me almost on thread) can be very beautiful, and richly coloured. Alpines that are boringly plentiful, green, and flowerless as we wade through them in summer's search for "gems", have their moment of glory as they turn whole mountainsides into a palette of earth-colours. I have included some pictures from mountains of southern Norway, the first of which is from the Ryfylke hills just east of Stavanger (elevation about 900 m). The colour is provided by alpine grasses, sedges and rushes just turning at the end of August. The next few pictures were taken the last weekend of September, which is already a bit late in the "colour season". The second picture is from Valdresflya in the Jotunheimen range (elevation about 1000 m), with a sea of Reindeer Moss (a Cladonia lichen) in the foreground. Other plants seen are dwarf birch (betula nana) and downy birch (b. pubescens probably ssp tortuosa). The third picture is from Hardangervidda, east of Bergen (elevation about 1000 m) with patches of reinder moss, dwarf birch, various Vacciniums, Empetrum, salix, and juniper. The fourth picture has Vaccinium myrtillus, V. uliginosum, V. vitis-idaea, and Empetrum nigrum ssp hermaphroditum growing through reindeer moss. The last picture is also from Hardangervidda, showing crowberries (Empetrum nigrum hermaphroditum), blueberries (Vaccinium myrtillus), and lingonberries (V. vitis-idaea, leaves only), all contributing to the culinary feast an autumn hike can be.
Knud Lunde, Stavanger, south-west coast of Norway
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Knud, good to hear from you..... and wonderful photos of the super landscape and grand plants.
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great images and places, knud! very interesting to see alpines at my altitude (i am a little under 1000m) when we are still so far from alpines!..of course i know there are other conditions of exposure, etc..
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Great images of beautiful Norway preparing for winter Knud !
Thanks a lot for showing !
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Wonderful rich tapestries of colour carpeting the rocks, a lovely sight Knud, thank you.
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Grindelia, a coastal wildflower, flowers all summer and fall.
The first picture was taken in June and the second, of a nearby plant,
in late October. There are still lots of buds coming, so it hasn't finished yet.
I sent some seeds to someone in Europe who requested them last year.
I wonder how they did.
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Grindelia, a coastal wildflower, flowers all summer and fall.
The first picture was taken in June and the second, of a nearby plant,
in late October. There are still lots of buds coming, so it hasn't finished yet.
I sent some seeds to someone in Europe who requested them last year.
I wonder how they did.
very nice! do you know the species, diane? G squarrosa occurs in alberta, though i have not seen it..
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It's Grindelia integrifolia.
I just did a Google search and am amazed at how many species there are.
They cover almost all of North America.
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I've tried Grindelia robusta, integrifolia and nana here. They always attract attention due to the sticky "chewing gum" flowers, particularly kids are fascinated by these plants. The pictures below show plants from robusta seed. However, I can't see that much difference with what I have as integrifolia. Anyone have a Grindelia key handy? Unfortunately, I've never had one last longer than 3 years. Is this their nature or is it my cool climate?
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Hello Diane,
They did well, and they are now little plants in pots waiting for becoming stronger before going in the garden :D
Thanks again ;)
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This morning I spotted a potted Viola eizanensis is flowering. I have grown this spring flowering species more than a decade and this is the first time to see the autumn flower of it at my place. I feel the climate is quite unusual here lately.
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It's Grindelia integrifolia.
I just did a Google search and am amazed at how many species there are.
They cover almost all of North America.
G squarrosa (i haven't looked at any more complete flora to see if there are other sp in alberta) from the one map i have seen, is supposed to cover most of alberta, except for an odd band going diagonally from mid south west to mid north east..i am in that band...lol
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Here's a key to Grindelia:
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=114086
G. squarrosa is the only one that occurs in Alberta.
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Fantastic buckwheat Cohan, particularly the first leaf form.... love the gray & pink coloration, worth growing these for the cushions alone, as well as the fall foliage color which is dramatic in some species.
Is your buckwheat the same as buckwheat found in bird food?
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I should have Googled it first ::) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckwheat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckwheat)
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Here's a key to Grindelia:
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=114086
G. squarrosa is the only one that occurs in Alberta.
Thanks, Lori. Thought I'd checked FoA before and didn't find it. Is the Eflora being added to or is this all we're likely to get?
Anyway, I find no G. robusta (I've received seed of this name 2 or 3 times).
IPNI lists it, but one of the listings gives it as synonymous with G. rubriflora (also not mentioned in FoA).
The USDA Plants Database has G. camporum as synonymous: http://plants.usda.gov/java/nameSearch?keywordquery=grindelia+robusta&mode=sciname (http://plants.usda.gov/java/nameSearch?keywordquery=grindelia+robusta&mode=sciname). However, this is also not in FoA.
So, is there yet another synonym?
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This morning I spotted a potted Viola eizanensis is flowering. I have grown this spring flowering species more than a decade and this is the first time to see the autumn flower of it at my place. I feel the climate is quite unusual here lately.
Hi Tatsuo,
Nice plant, interesting colour! Viola eizanensis is an easy growing species here, although flowers are very rare, even in spring. Seed is built frequently but only from cleistogamic flowers.
Gerd
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I should have Googled it first ::) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckwheat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckwheat)
;D
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Hi Tatsuo,
Nice plant, interesting colour! Viola eizanensis is an easy growing species here, although flowers are very rare, even in spring. Seed is built frequently but only from cleistogamic flowers.
Gerd
Viola eizanensis has bloomed in April in 2009 and last spring for me. And I had a few seed pods on it whent I bought it in 2008.
Interesting, that cleistogamic feature!
Do you know if Viola 'Silver Samourai' behaves similarly? I don't know its exact parentage, though some say it could have some V. koreana origin...
And their foliage alone is well worth cultivating them.
Anyway, thanks for the info, Gerd!
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Post scriptum! After reading Tatsuo's and Gerd's messages, I went to see my potted V. Eizanensis, just out of curiosity...
Wow! It shows a few buds, and even two (empty) seed pods! ..
Double thanks to both of you, I hadn't paid attention these days. but I'll be waiting for the blooms now! (hoping the cold won't prevent them from opening...)
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Great pictures from everybody.
Another curiosity -Anemone coronaria 'De Caen' in flower.
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Hi Tatsuo,
Nice plant, interesting colour! Viola eizanensis is an easy growing species here, although flowers are very rare, even in spring. Seed is built frequently but only from cleistogamic flowers.
Gerd
Viola eizanensis has bloomed in April in 2009 and last spring for me. And I had a few seed pods on it whent I bought it in 2008.
Interesting, that cleistogamic feature!
Do you know if Viola 'Silver Samourai' behaves similarly? I don't know its exact parentage, though some say it could have some V. koreana origin...
And their foliage alone is well worth cultivating them.
Anyway, thanks for the info, Gerd!
Tatsuo,
Pretty set of violet pics - enjoyed it! I don't know the parentage of 'Silver Samurai' aka 'Dancing Geisha' but it seems to be a cross between a violet with dissected and another with entire leaves - so a V. koreana (=variegata) origin within its ancestral line is possible.
Gerd
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Some very pretty violets everybody !
Here today in flower : Oxytropis multiceps (did'nt expect it this time of the year)
Also flowering : Pinguicula 'Weser' .
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Nice plant, interesting colour! Viola eizanensis is an easy growing species here, although flowers are very rare, even in spring. Seed is built frequently but only from cleistogamic flowers.
Hello, Gerd! Thank you for your interesting information about V. eizanensis behaviour at your place. V. eizanensis blooming (chasmogamic flower) period is shorter and number of flowers is less than some other Japanese native violas here even in spring. I think the requiring condition (temperature and day-length) for V. eizanensis chasmogamic flower initiating is more restricted than the others.
The original plant of my V. eizanensis is selected from a wild population at Tanzawa Mts., Kanagawa prefecture, for its round petals and deep flower colour and propagated by seeds from cleistogamic flowers. Probably I will show you normal blooming flowers next spring.
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Viola eizanensis has bloomed in April in 2009 and last spring for me. And I had a few seed pods on it whent I bought it in 2008.
Interesting, that cleistogamic feature!
Do you know if Viola 'Silver Samourai' behaves similarly? I don't know its exact parentage, though some say it could have some V. koreana origin...
And their foliage alone is well worth cultivating them.
Hi, zephirine! How nice you found small buds on your plants and I hope you enjoy their blooming! I suppose your 'V. eizanensis' looks V. chaerophylloides. Both are very similar but V. chaerophylloides has almost pentafoliolate leaves all year round, and V. eizanensis has rather pedate leaves especially during summer.
I think Viola 'Silver Samourai' is a horticultural interspecific hybrid between V. koreana and V. chaerophylloides (probably deep flower colour plant). Both parents are vigorous and you grow it easier!
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great images and places, knud! very interesting to see alpines at my altitude (i am a little under 1000m) when we are still so far from alpines!..of course i know there are other conditions of exposure, etc..
Thanks all for kind comments on pictures. And Cohan, the main other condition is northern exposure, the regions pictured fall between 59 and 61 degrees north, which is about the northern boundary of your province Alberta? The climate on the west coast of Norway, right up north, is tempered by the Gulf Stream, hence our zone 8 garden here in Stavanger, only about 30 km from the Ryfylke hills where the treeline is at about 600 m elevation.
Knud
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Lovely to see the Empetrum in fruit Knud. I have plants of both that one and E. rubrum but neither has set fruit. Maybe not cold enought here?
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great images and places, knud! very interesting to see alpines at my altitude (i am a little under 1000m) when we are still so far from alpines!..of course i know there are other conditions of exposure, etc..
Thanks all for kind comments on pictures. And Cohan, the main other condition is northern exposure, the regions pictured fall between 59 and 61 degrees north, which is about the northern boundary of your province Alberta? The climate on the west coast of Norway, right up north, is tempered by the Gulf Stream, hence our zone 8 garden here in Stavanger, only about 30 km from the Ryfylke hills where the treeline is at about 600 m elevation.
Knud
thank goodness for the gulf stream :) zone 8 is tropical to me ;)
i just checked, and in southern alberta, the treeline is around 2135m, in the northern rockies around 1980m; the far north of alberta is mostly white spruce forest, ranging from 300-500m-the lowest part of the province! with a few areas that are 500 -700m (1000 highest) and these areas have subarctic open black spruce forest with permafrost below 50cm--amazing that there is still forest with permafrost!
i know someone in hay river, in the northwest territories, north of alberta, and he has a thriving garden, with many species of lilies in particular, and many other things; his zone is still vigorously forested--we were just talking about having to fight to keep our gardens forest free ;D
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I suppose your 'V. eizanensis' looks V. chaerophylloides. Both are very similar but V. chaerophylloides has almost pentafoliolate leaves all year round, and V. eizanensis has rather pedate leaves especially during summer.
Thank you for clarifying, Tatsuo! Though the nurseryman I bought it from is usually a fine botanist, he may not be familiar with such subtle differences. I'll discuss the subject with him on the next occasion, and I'm sure he'll appreciate and correct the plant's name if need be. Maybe he can also tell me where this plant came from? Thanks again!
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These might well be the last for the year, so here goes with some recent and current ones:
1) Late flowers on Tanacetum tibeticum, from seed this year.
2) Finally managed to winter-over Ipomopsis rubra, and it is blooming just in the nick of time... This is about all it will manage though, as time is against it, and it will certainly not be able to set seed. (Aargh, damned biennials!) The second photo shows frost-bitten flowers, looking quite red.
3) From seed this year, Marmoritis complanatum (was Phyllophyton complanatum)... I realize my soil conditions are much too rich, and assuming these plants survive, I will be attempting to starve them into character next year... see attached:
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=88858&flora_id=800
4) Attractive furry silver foliage (but insignificant flowers) on Nepeta phyllochlamys
5) Aster sedifolius
6) Most of the trees are bare here... sour cherry, Prunus cerasus 'Evans' still has colour.
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These might well be the last for the year, so here goes with some recent and current ones:
1) Late flowers on Tanacetum tibeticum, from seed this year.
lots of good stuff, but i especially like this one!
light rain has changed to snow here, expecting 2-4cm over night....
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I will be attempting to starve them into character next year...
I'm trying to decide whether that blue-eyed creature is furry or feathery.
Maybe both. I've always avoided buying seeds of plants described as very hairy.
I think your lush leafy version would survive my wet winters better
than the classic one would. I think I'll try it.
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Another curiosity -Anemone coronaria 'De Caen' in flower.
Here today in flower : Oxytropis multiceps (did'nt expect it this time of the year)
Also flowering : Pinguicula 'Weser' .
Hello, Armin and Kris! Both you are enjoying unexpected and unseasonable flowers now! But this unusual climate also has negative effects. Today, the temperature suddenly rose to 29ºC here and some of my young plants got fatal sunscald, and no autumn crocuses have flowered even now...
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3) From seed this year, Marmoritis complanatum (was Phyllophyton complanatum)... I realize my soil conditions are much too rich, and assuming these plants survive, I will be attempting to starve them into character next year... see attached:
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=88858&flora_id=800
:o :o :o In that photo link, it looks like some little man-like creature, wearing a snow hat with ear flaps, snow jacket, and little furry booties! What a remarkable plant manifestation!
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lori, i have to agree that is a pretty cool little plant--he may have been dressed for the weather i have today, not sure if this snow reached you--
no danger of sunscald here at the moment (though the sun is starting to come out now, and it is hard on the eyes!)
some shots from this morning here at home...
i'll put a few in the trees thread, and alberta wanderings...
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Brrrr. Cohan, I'm not ready for the snow yet. It's almost 60 F here today, soft and overcast, with an incredible autumn glow. Depending on the weather, it could be gone in a day, but so far it remains on the mild side.
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I realize my soil conditions are much too rich, and assuming these plants survive, I will be attempting to starve them into character next year... see attached:
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=88858&flora_id=800
In that photo link, it looks like some little man-like creature, wearing a snow hat with ear flaps, snow jacket, and little furry booties! What a remarkable plant manifestation!
For me, 'he' was looking like a Mandrill..... but one in a good mood!
http://animals.nationalgeographic.com
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For me, 'he' was looking like a Mandrill..... but one in a good mood!
http://animals.nationalgeographic.com
You're right Maggi, it does look more like a mandrill, complete with blue face.
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Lovely to see the Empetrum in fruit Knud. I have plants of both that one and E. rubrum but neither has set fruit. Maybe not cold enought here?
Lesley, I did'nt know there was an E. rubrum, Chilean I gather. The other one you are growing, is it E. nigrum or E. n. ssp. hermaphroditum? The first is dioecious and I guess would need male and female plants to fruit? The latter will, as name indicate, manage on its own. Here E. n. ssp. hermaphroditum is called mountain crowberry, because it grows there. The plain crowberry grows in the lowland here. I have never seen one in a garden, but both fruit very freely where they grow; the mountain crowberry typically carrying more and larger berries.
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thank goodness for the gulf stream :) zone 8 is tropical to me ;)
Cohan, let me tell you, there is nothing tropical about the Stavanger climate, cool and moist (OK, wet) year round. Average temperature 1C/34F in January, 15C/59F in July. Alpines seem to like it, people not. I loose far fewer alpines to the wet winters here than I did when gardening east of Oslo in zone 4/5 dry, cold winters with reasonable snow cover, but with many hard freeze-thaw cycles autumn and spring.
Interesting with the range of treelines you described in Alberta. I remember when visiting Banff and Jasper National Parks being surprised at the big trees growing high up the mountanside. Our low treeline here on the windy west coast (like in Scotland) is an exposure treeline. Moving inland the treeline moves up, and at Valdresflya in Jotunheimen (second picture I posted) the treeline at 1100-1200 m elevation is an alpine treeline.
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Knud, I have to assume mine is the dioecious form, not the subspecies since there have never been fruit. It came a few years ago from a seedlist, just as Empetrum nigrum.
I'm suspicious of Lori's plant of Nepeta phylloclamys. I have had this for many years and it makes a small, woody subshrub with felted rather than furry leaves and yes, the flowers are small and insignificant but are in great numbers. What distinguishes them and the whole plant in fact, is that it smells of lavender, one of the coarser species, like L. stoechas. It came to me originally from a Mathew and Tomlinson collection as Origanum species, then after another change to something, ended up as Nepeta phylloclamys. Although a quiet plant, it is one of my favourites, just about 5 or 6cms high and nice at the edge of a trough.
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I'm suspicious of Lori's plant of Nepeta phylloclamys. I have had this for many years and it makes a small, woody subshrub with felted rather than furry leaves and yes, the flowers are small and insignificant but are in great numbers. What distinguishes them and the whole plant in fact, is that it smells of lavender, one of the coarser species, like L. stoechas. It came to me originally from a Mathew and Tomlinson collection as Origanum species, then after another change to something, ended up as Nepeta phylloclamys. Although a quiet plant, it is one of my favourites, just about 5 or 6cms high and nice at the edge of a trough.
Nepeta phyllochlamys I grew from the Turkish MacPhail & Watson expedition back in the latter 1970s, and it proved hardy outside for a number of years, making a most satisfactory fuzzy tumbling mound, great for a rock wall situation. While the flowers are small, they were so numerous to create a haze of color, so was actually effective in flower.
Not sure if Lori's plant is just a young one, possibly stretched, and/or photographed at rather close range. This plant has been around for decades now, and lots of nurseries carry it, so it shouldn't be too hard to find some photos on the web with which to compare. Here's a link that shows a plant thus labeled. It looks like what I remember my plants to be, but frankly, my photos of these are 30+ years old, all heaped into a couple large boxes of photos, so digging them out to confirm my plants grown from Mac&W back in the 1970s would be a real trick!
http://www.wildgingerfarm.com/Nepeta.htm
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You're right Mark, it was McPhail and Watson not Mathew and Tomlinson, and the one in the container in your link looks just like mine, when fresh and young. My main plant is woody and hard now but I have young ones coming on. I'd hate to lose it. Fortunately, local cats don't bother it, preferring instead Aktinidia kolomikta which they have now totally destroyed. I think I first had the Nepeta in 1978 or 9 so probably from the same source as yours.
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I'm suspicious of Lori's plant of Nepeta phylloclamys. I have had this for many years and it makes a small, woody subshrub with felted rather than furry leaves and yes, the flowers are small and insignificant but are in great numbers.
Not sure if Lori's plant is just a young one, possibly stretched, and/or photographed at rather close range. http://www.wildgingerfarm.com/Nepeta.htm
Yes, all of the above... as I look at my records, I see it was actually only planted in 2009... I think I got it from a friend in a seedling trade(?) This is the first time I have seen/noticed it in bloom (which probably makes sense being from seed in 2009). The leaves smell like what I would describe as mentholated lavender. It is "stretched" too, as it's growing in regular soil, and was also photographed at close range (the flowering stems are looser than the others)... another plant I'll need to move to better conditions when they become available.
I did compare my plant to the Wild Ginger Farm link above prior to posting... I thought it seemed the same in leaf shape and flower characteristics... ?
Not a lot of photos out there, but there is also this one:
http://www.kadel.cz/flora/Images/WebSize/Img1049.jpg
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mark--although we had a damp chilly september, oct was nicer, we were quite warm until quite recently we were even over 20C this month a couple of times, and our coolest days had been 10-12C until the last few days, we should hit something like 12C again later in the week.... but still count ourselves 'lucky' last year we had a full week of cold and snow with lows hitting -20C in the first week of october!
in damp and shady spots, i expect some of the soil in my yard to stay frozen now....
knud--i assumed those low treelines must be due to wind etc--quite surprising to me, as the high treelines in the rockies are what i am familiar with...lol..of course this area is fairly high to start with--we are near 1000m, and not even that close to the foothills yet...
as to your wet climate--i think the hardest thing for me would be long periods without sunny weather, if it rained every day but was sunny after i wouldn't mind ;D
i'm still just beginning to garden here, really, so time will tell what things will do well in my climate (nearest is lori who does very nicely with many things, but there are significant differences from calgary to here..)..i wonder though--just over the 3 years since i have moved back i have seen what seems to be nearly 100% difference in precip from one year to the next (one year 50 year high rainfall record, with a lot of hot days, next year almost no rain for half the summer, and few warm days...)
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My apologies Lori, it seems my suspicions were unfounded and your plant IS right. All I've grown have tended to be almost white in the foliage and very compact, mainly I suppose because they've been hot, dry and half starved but they do make very nice plants like that. Did you notice that the seeds are exactly like lavender seeds?
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Great to see these all these late flowerings :)
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Good heavens, no need to apologize, Leslie!!
We will be adding on to the tufa garden in spring (where the soil, I assure you, will be very lean!) and if I can move it out there afterwards, perhaps it will take on the character of yours, which is certainly what it should have (assuming it's correctly IDd). I haven't been looking for seeds, but blooming so late, it may not have been able to form any anyway...
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Hi
A view of the chinese GENTIANA sinoornata. This year promptly surprised by the first snowfall around mid-october.
But that doesn't matter: after having spend 8/10 days under an initially 20cms deep snow cover, it now proudly reappears...and will probably soon go under the next snowfall.
A last look at the little ALLIUM thunbergii from east Asia. Not the most beautiful amongst the genus, but very interessant for its late flowering
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Hi, Phillippe. It's comforting to see someplace else that has had snow a few times already! Unfortunately, there have been enough fairly hard frosts (-6 deg C has been the coldest) that new blooms are increasingly unlikely.
I was just noticing the climate info posted for your area. We get ~40 cm of yearly precipitation on average, and it is quite a dry climate here, overall. Your area must be very dry indeed with only 20-25 cm of yearly precipitation!
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Your area must be very dry indeed with only 20-25 cm of yearly precipitation!
Thanks it's not the case ;)
We have about 2meters precipitation in the year.
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Beautiful picture of the gentian Philippe!
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Oh, I see - 2500 cm per year, not 2500mm - my mistake for misreading it. (When I looked up the Vosges, I saw some reports of very low annual precipitation in some areas, and that sort of fueled my misconception.) Sorry.
Yes, gorgeous photo of the gentian, especially!
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Liriodendron in autumn colour.
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Some flowers in my garden yesterday
1. Crocus speciosus Conqueror
2. Crocus ochroleucus
3. Galanthus Reginae Olgae
4. Cyclamen hederifolium, Crocus speciosus Conqueror and Muscari leaves
5. My wife got the idea to plant this Sempervivum in a tree stump. It has grown here for 4 years with only a little watering.
6. Sempervivum
7. Nerine bowdenii Stephanie
Poul
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And from my greenhouse
1. Biarum tenuifolium abbreviatum
2. Colchicum cupani
3. Crocus goulimyi
4. Galanthus peshmenii
5. Galanthus Reginae Olgae
6. Galanthus Reginae Olgae
7. Narcissus elegans
8. Narcissus serotinus
9. Scilla numidica
Poul
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Poul, it's comforting to see that you still have so many lovely bulbs in flower out in your garden and greenhouse.
Have you tried Galanthus peshmenii outside ? I got one small bulb this autumn and the pot is now outside in a cold frame.
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Gunilla,
Yes I have tried peshmenii outside some years ago without any luck. I planted two bulbs in a raised bed. They flowered the first year and then disappeared. If it was the winter or if is was the Narcissus fly grub that killed them, I do not know. I suspect it was the Narcissus fly as I had a severe attach that year. I still have problems with that nasty beast so this summer I potted all my Galanthus Reginae Olgae and now grow them under glass. As you can see I have overlooked two bulbs which now flower happily in the garden. Last year I had only one flower! Reginae Olgae is hardy here in Denmark without any winterprotection, and I believe peshmenii is too but as I only have two bulbs then 'better safe than sorry'.
In general I prefer to grow as many bulbs as I can outside, as the look much more natural there, but many of the interesting autumn bulbs like Narcissus can't flower there even if they are hardy. Maybee the global warming can do something about that in some years, but
until then I stick to my greenhouse.
Poul
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Thanks Poul, I'll give my only bulb some protection and hope for the best.
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A few things in the garden today:
Shortia soldanelloides
Shortia x Leona
Spiranthes odorata
Acis autumnale
The two latter ones and Nerine bowdenii are the our latest flowers to date.
johnw - cold, damp and 8c
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Gentiana aucalis 'Rannoch' still shows continued flowering.
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A real treasure Frankie !
It has a nice strong colour too - I find these out of season blooms on Gentiana Acaulis often to be less colourful than their spring collegues, but this one looks exceptionally good ! :D
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A few pictures taken at Benmore today showing Autumn colours. The last picture has a Halloween theme
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Lovely set of shots, Tom.
Paddy
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Tom thanks for showing me how wonderful Scotland is at this time of year, sometimes you forget how lovely it is when it's a grey day miserable day.
Lovely colours.
Angie :)
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Shortia soldanelloides
Shortia x Leona
johnw - cold, damp and 8c
John, beautiful foliage and color on those Shortia, I'm envious.
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A few pictures taken at Benmore today showing Autumn colours. The last picture has a Halloween theme
Tom, beautiful, if not mystical photos, love the Redwood avenue, most impressive.
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5. My wife got the idea to plant this Sempervivum in a tree stump. It has grown here for 4 years with only a little watering.
Poul
After seeing some of the more inventive ways to grow semps, I'm inspired to try featuring them in different ways, such as your "semp stump".
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tom--great series of colours, shapes and vistas!
poul-the semps look great! i've thought of something roughly similar, but i think mine will need to be in contact with the soil for winter, meaning the wood will break down fast, but maybe by then the semps will hold it together!
mark--good luck on the semp plantings--have you got approval for the bed in the yard from your wife yet? ;D
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mark--good luck on the semp plantings--have you got approval for the bed in the yard from your wife yet? ;D
My wife hardy spends any time outside (not a "yard person"), so what she can't see from the house is fair game in my opinion. I dug out the area for my wheelbarrow semp planting a couple days ago... will show it soon in the Sempervivum thread.
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I've been thinking of branching out into jewelery - do you think these would catch on?
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I've been thinking of branching out into jewelery - do you think these would catch on?
Partial as I am to statement earrings, Anne, I think that particular dangle is just a tad too much..... and would require the wearer to have a brass neck for more than one reason! ;D
Pretty spectacular fruits though.... what species are they from?
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So beautiful seed pods. Is it Arisaema seed?
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Arisaema consanguineum.
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That is amazing, Anne. I had no idea that Arisaema seedheads could get so big. I barely ever get seed on any of my Arisaema here, and certainly nothing even remotely akin to those!! :o
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They look like grappes of little rubies... ::)
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I've a few seeds left to spare....