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Plant Identification => Plant Identification Questions and Answers => Topic started by: PaulM on July 08, 2010, 05:57:38 PM
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Oh, there was a blue Corydalis species also which I forgot.
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Whole plant please. Does it start already in the autumn or in the spring. I assume it flowers now?
If it grows well in your area but flops over, it is probably what used to be elata.
Cheers
Göte
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Looks identical to the true C. elata that Larz has been selling (for once not the omnipresent plant that should be called C. omeiana), but a picture of the basal leaves showing something for scale wouldn't hurt...
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Looks identical to the true C. elata that Larz has been selling (for once not the omnipresent plant that should be called C. omeiana), but a picture of the basal leaves showing something for scale wouldn't hurt...
I don't believe the "Corydalis-elata-in-cultivation-is-actually-Corydalis-omeiana" reflex is that clear cut at all, it's another taxonomic can of worms. In that debate, one can't rule out C. harrysmithii either.
See: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4903.msg156612#msg156612
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Mark;
I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the person claiming that all "elatas" in cultivation belong to C. omeiana is the very same person that co-authored The Flora of China treatment, elevated C. omeiana to specific status, described C. harrysmithii as a species - and identified Larz Danielsson's plant as the true C. elata.
That said; the true C. elata and a lot of other species have been introduced thru Chen Yi and are starting to show up in specialist nurseries - and since they hybridize freely in gardens there's also a lot of hybrids being passed around, both named and unnamed. You could email a couple of pictures of your Elatae to Magnus Lidén for some definite answers (habit, close-up of flower and seed pods), it doesn't look like the true C. elata which has oversized basal leaves but I wouldn't rule out the possibility of it being a hybrid...
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Just to give an example of the utter mess we can expect in a few years as more and more species are introduced and grown together; here's a garden hybrid who's mother is C. panda:
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Hi Arisaema,
Was the Corydalis panda from my seed? I am pretty sure that the seed was collected from plants in my field and was the only one there. I did notice that some of my plants were paler but not as pale as yours. Perhaps there is variation as I don't know what it could have crossed with?
Susan
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Hi Susan;
Yes, it is from your seeds, I sowed a few of them directly into the woodland, and noticed this one looking very strange... Is there a chance your plants may have hybridised before ending up in the field, assuming they were seed raised?
(I'm sure I've seen pictures of a yellow flowered species with spurs like that, but can't seem to find it again :P )
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Now you mention yellow I did have this yellow one for a while (C. davidii I think) but I got rid of it as it seeded about too much.
Perhaps it tricked me into staying.
Susan
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I recently came back from the garden in Värmland, and took two pictures of the leaves, but they are not especially good, and I forgot the seed pods. I will have too keep in under more scrutinous observation and note when it starts active growth and photograp all stages of its development. There are dark spots on the leaves, but maybe this of no significant importance. Here they are anyway:
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That's the real C. elata, it's identical to what I got from him last fall :)
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...also, you could always email Larz to ask!
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Thank you very much arisaema ! I will get in contact with Larz.