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Plant Identification => Plant Identification Questions and Answers => Topic started by: WimB on July 04, 2010, 02:29:21 PM

Title: Unknown Lilium
Post by: WimB on July 04, 2010, 02:29:21 PM: Received this plant as Lilium nanum, which it obviously is not:

it's only 15 cm in height, unfortunately a blackbird broke the stem just when it was flowering: so here a picture of the flower which was damaged by the same bird
Title: Re: Unknown Lilium
Post by: Maggi Young on July 04, 2010, 03:11:15 PM: Lilium tigrinum
Title: Re: Unknown Lilium
Post by: WimB on July 04, 2010, 04:40:55 PM: Thanks Maggi, that's it. :-*
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Post by: daveyp1970 on July 04, 2010, 04:42:51 PM: Maggie your on fire ;D
Title: Re: Unknown Lilium
Post by: WimB on July 04, 2010, 04:48:17 PM: Although, isn't 15 cm very low for L. tigrinum? Could it be L. davidii?
Title: Re: Unknown Lilium
Post by: Maggi Young on July 04, 2010, 04:59:20 PM: Well, it could be.... but L. davidii can make 1.5m also! Very variable these things!! :-X
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Post by: WimB on July 04, 2010, 05:07:32 PM: Is there a distinguishing difference between tigrinum and davidii? ???
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Post by: Maggi Young on July 04, 2010, 05:15:24 PM: Well, L. tigrinum makes stem bulbils and davidii can be stoloniferous.....
I think some Forumists have been discussing this lately........
Title: Re: Unknown Lilium
Post by: Maggi Young on July 04, 2010, 05:22:01 PM: .... as I thought, this is a question which pops up every now and then as folk get confused with these orange spotted lilies! Here are a few links for you to have a look at Wim: discussing the tigrinum/lancifolium/ davidii thing...

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3876.msg103329;topicseen#msg103329

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3633.msg99326#msg99326

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1970.msg50458#msg50458

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4096.msg110511;topicseen#msg110511

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3868.msg102071;topicseen#msg102071

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=644.msg15105;topicseen#msg15105

;)
Title: Re: Unknown Lilium
Post by: WimB on July 06, 2010, 06:00:44 PM: Thanks Maggi,

I'll keep it as a Lilium tigrinum/lancifolium/davidii thingy. ;)
Title: Re: Unknown Lilium
Post by: Diane Clement on July 06, 2010, 06:05:36 PM: Quote from: WimB on July 06, 2010, 06:00:44 PM
Thanks Maggi,
I'll keep it as a Lilium tigrinum/lancifolium/davidii thingy. ;)

Keep it as a Lilium lancifolium/davidii thingy as L tigrinum is synonymous with L lancifolium (sorry Maggi, but it's not exactly a new change ::))
Title: Re: Unknown Lilium
Post by: Maggi Young on July 06, 2010, 06:08:52 PM: Quote from: Diane Clement on July 06, 2010, 06:05:36 PM
(sorry Maggi, but it's not exactly a new change Roll Eyes)

I know, I know.... but thank goodness for you knowing these things, Diane.... heaven help us if we had to rely on my naming!!
Title: Re: Unknown Lilium
Post by: gote on July 09, 2010, 07:45:10 AM: L lancifolium usually has a less vivid colour and slightly more flattish tepals than the photo. My guess is some form of davidii. Lancifolium should, at the time of flowering, have stem bulbils that turn entirely black before falling off.
The most common lancifolium is triploid and does not set seed. Furthermore it is usually infested with a virus that can be transmitted to other lilies.
Therefore seed grown (diploids) are very valuable since virus is not transmitted through the seed.
Cheers
Göte
Title: Re: Unknown Lilium
Post by: WimB on July 09, 2010, 04:06:41 PM: Thanks for the additional info, Gote

no stem bulbils, so it probably is L. davidii.
Title: Re: Unknown Lilium
Post by: Roma on July 13, 2010, 10:55:48 PM: Another lily for id. It is growing in the same pot as Lilium lankongense. The pics are from 2008 but both are flowering this year. the leaves are longer and narrower than lankongense. Leaves of both can be seen in the picture.
Title: Re: Unknown Lilium
Post by: Diane Clement on July 13, 2010, 11:08:17 PM: Quote from: Roma on July 13, 2010, 10:55:48 PM
Another lily for id. It is growing in the same pot as Lilium lankongense. The pics are from 2008 but both are flowering this year. the leaves are longer and narrower than lankongense. Leaves of both can be seen in the picture.

looks like L davidii to me
Title: Re: Unknown Lilium
Post by: WimB on July 15, 2010, 01:48:54 PM: Another one from me too. Got this one as Nomocharis sp. which it definitely is not:
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Post by: arisaema on July 15, 2010, 02:53:40 PM: That's L. duchartrei, it is thug of the family, sprawling along underground leaving bulblets everywhere ;)
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Post by: WimB on July 15, 2010, 02:57:51 PM: Thanks Bjørnar,

as long as it's a beautiful thug I'll let her sprawl.
Title: Re: Unknown Lilium
Post by: Paul T on July 16, 2010, 01:04:34 AM: Isn't that way more pink than that species usually has? I thought it was more of less white with spots? I rather like the pink flashes on the pictures flower, whatever it is.
Title: Re: Unknown Lilium
Post by: arisaema on July 16, 2010, 06:52:41 AM: Ah, sorry! It's L. lankongense! Always mix them up... :-[
Title: Re: Unknown Lilium
Post by: gote on July 17, 2010, 10:57:30 AM: Looks pretty intermediate to me but lankongense and duchartreii are supposed to be the northeast and southwest forms of a variable species.
You can perhaps use both names ;D
Göte
Title: Re: Unknown Lilium
Post by: WimB on July 17, 2010, 01:58:03 PM: L. lankontrei/ duchargense it is then ;)