Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
General Subjects => Travel / Places to Visit => Topic started by: Mick McLoughlin on June 07, 2007, 09:41:05 AM
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Sorting out pictures today. I realise I never got to post a few pictures from first visit to Harlow Carr at the last bank holiday.
They had quite a few examples of planting in various containers kettles, pans etc. I wasn't sure about the toilet bowls though.
A couple of pictures of planted troughs and boots.
Globularia meridionalis
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A few from around alpine houses.
Triteleia 'starlight'
Muscari comosum plumosum
Hypsela reniformis
Anthyllis vulneria var.coccinea
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Lastly
Dianthus superbus
Arisaema serratum
Arisaema serratum detail
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Wow Mick,
Isn't that Dianthus superbus a most remarkable creature!
Nice shots, many thanks. Paddy
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Thanks for those Mick, great pictures. I must pay a visit to Harlow Carr when I am next in the 'homeland'!
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I chiefly remember Harlow Car as the place where a pushy American knocked my brand new, very expensive (but duty-free) camera out of my hands and smashed it. He didn't even apologise! That was back in 1981 so I'm over it now :)
Your pics are lovely Mick and the one of Dianthus superbus gives me some hope that my seedlings from the last batch of seedlists may actually BE D. superbus. I was thinking it looked suspiciously like a sweet William.
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A brief respite from the rain today. So we decided to pay another visit to Harlow Carr. Rain started again when we got there, so a few shots from the alpine houses.
First Albuca shawii and detail.
Campanula pseudo-raineri and detail
Campanula garganica 'WH Payne'
Commelina dianthifolia and detail
finally Roscoea beesiana and Roscoea alpina
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Thanks Mick. I hope you and your family are coping all right with the UK flooding. It looks dreadful.
These pics are good because while we see the detail (that super Commelina!) we also see the relative size and habit of the whole plant.
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I'm pleased to see the pictures from Harlow Carr. We took a friend from Tallinn Botanic Garden there in April to see if there had been any improvement since the RHS took over. I have to say the Alpine House was wonderful, full of colour and interesting plants. For the previous 5 or so years it has looked very tired and the Rock Gardens were terribly overgrown. Not much progress has been made on the Rock Gardens but the young lady tending the AH told us there were plans for a new one and then they would start on the surrounding area.
Shelagh
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As ever, great photographs Mick. Great plants obviously. The albuca seems particularly good to me.
Re the Roscoea alpina: I grew it from seed a few years ago and find my plants are more pinkish than the ones you photographed. Can anybody comment on this?
While rearranging a part of a raised bed about two months ago I failed to find the 'tubers' of this roscoea but since then it has popped up all over the bed; it seems the disturbance led to a great increase in plants.
It seems Harlow Carr was safe enough for a visit. However, I heard on the radio that the Pershore area, and so probably the AGS garden, was badly effected.
Paddy
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I have heard nothing from the area, so I assume that indeed Pershore may have turned into a water garden. I hope this is not the case but seeing on TV the vast amounts of floodwater sloshing around the area, I fear the worst.
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Re the Roscoea alpina: I grew it from seed a few years ago and find my plants are more pinkish than the ones you photographed. Can anybody comment on this?
While rearranging a part of a raised bed about two months ago I failed to find the 'tubers' of this roscoea but since then it has popped up all over the bed; it seems the disturbance led to a great increase in plants.
It seems Harlow Carr was safe enough for a visit. However, I heard on the radio that the Pershore area, and so probably the AGS garden, was badly effected.
From what I can remember, mine finished a little while ago, they look about the same as Mick's photo. There's a nice new book out ;D.
How deep did you dig Paddy ? Apparently they like deep planting. When I was repotting mine, they looked like the contractile roots I've seen on crocus, maybe they were trying to go deeper ?
If the Pershore garden gets flooded by the river over flowing, the whole country would be in trouble. For those who have not been, its near the top of a hill :).
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If the Pershore garden gets flooded by the river over flowing, the whole country would be in trouble. For those who have not been, its near the top of a hill
Well, no, I haven't been, that's why I was worried.. glad to hear it is in a safe spot!
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Hi Andrew,
Many thanks for your comments on the roscoea. When re-doing this bed I took out about 60cm of soil. This may sound very deep but this was because I was running a water pipe under the bed. It was of necessity that I dug the bed. As I didn't see the roscoeas when digging I couldn't say how deep they were in the soil. They were originally planted as a pot of year old seedlings and so went in at perhaps 10cm. Of course, they could have made their way down in the soil since then.
Paddy
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Could I ask a question please about the name Harlow Carr. I always understood it should be spelt with just one "r" as Harlow Car. Am I mistaken?
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Sorry Lesley you are mistaken. I should think Harlow Carr takes it's name from the area. Here in Norfolk we get a lot of alder carr which is an area around fens, swamps, broads, ponds etc where alder takes over. I think it also applies to willow and probably other trees. As there is a lake and river at Harlow Carr it seems possible that is the reason for the name. I am sure someone will correct me!!
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Thanks Brian. Heaven knows I'm plenty opinionated, but I'm happy to be corrected if need be. The origins of words always interest me so I'll do a little research.
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You're welcome Lesley, I agree with you about the origin of words. Whilst I lay in bed last night I realised that there are areas in Norfolk called Westcarr etc and also that in the 30's - no I do not remember that :o the mere in the front of the house was an alder carr. Isn't it strange how your mind gets to work when you want to get to sleep :D
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Thanks Brian. Heaven knows I'm plenty opinionated, but I'm happy to be corrected if need be. The origins of words always interest me so I'll do a little research.
Me too Lesley. Carr is from the old Norse word 'kjarr' meaning marshy woodland or shrub. The 'Vikings' had many strongholds in the North Yorkshire area (as well as in parts of East Anglia Brian). Clues to place names with Scandinavian roots are places with 'thorp(e)' in them or ending in '......by'.
My lot include my interest in the derivation of place names in the ever lengthening list of things they consider I could 'bore for England'!!
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Thanks Brian. Heaven knows I'm plenty opinionated, but I'm happy to be corrected if need be. The origins of words always interest me so I'll do a little research.
Me too Lesley. Carr is from the old Norse word 'kjarr' meaning marshy woodland or shrub.
That's most interesting, David. The word "kjerr" is still in common use here in North Norway, and it means shrubs growing tight together in the moors and mountains.
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Magnar, as you will know a great many words in everyday use in the modern English language are 'borrowed' from old Norse; from ancient Germanic languages that formed the basis of Old English; from Latin and old French. In my home county Yorkshire as well as in other counties in Northern England there are many words still used that derive from old Norse, ones I can bring to mind at the moment are:- fell- a hill; beck- a stream; crag- a cliff; force or foss- a waterfall; gate- a way or street; and my granddad used to go to work with his packed lunch which he called his bait.
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Me too Lesley. Carr is from the old Norse word 'kjarr' meaning marshy woodland or shrub. The 'Vikings' had many strongholds in the North Yorkshire area (as well as in parts of East Anglia Brian). Clues to place names with Scandinavian roots are places with 'thorp(e)' in them or ending in '......by'.
and "Thwaite" of course. Do you think the Scottish name Kerr (pronounced as Karr by pretentious persons) has the same origin? Not that I'd suggest for a moment that such persons are "wet. :)"
Brian I too had a sleepless night, brought about by the fact that my car's fuel pump has packed up and the cert of fitness and registration are both due and I have a large ($500) dental bill arrived yesterday. The problems are compounded by the fact that yesterday I did a little watering, just some newly sown seeds, turned the hose off at the business end but forgot to turn it off at the tap. In the course of the night the pressure has built up (we are on rain water which is delivered to house and garden from our big storage tank by a pump), blew the hose off the tap and proceeded to empty the tank. No water in the house this morning. Down to me, so I'll be paying for the water. I'm waiting for a water tanker to arrive and two men to collect and tow my car. I hope it will be ready today so I can go to work tomorrow. 20kms too far to walk and no public transport anywhere near here. A bad few days.
Oh well, I've had a good moan now, so back to the thread.
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Magnar, as you will know a great many words in everyday use in the modern English language are 'borrowed' from old Norse; from ancient Germanic languages that formed the basis of Old English; from Latin and old French. In my home county Yorkshire as well as in other counties in Northern England there are many words still used that derive from old Norse, ones I can bring to mind at the moment are:- fell- a hill; beck- a stream; crag- a cliff; force or foss- a waterfall; gate- a way or street; and my granddad used to go to work with his packed lunch which he called his bait.
Yes. I remember when we visited friends near Grimsby some years ago they referred to a small stream we passed while out walking as a beck.. the Norwegian word is "bekk". Norwegian for waterfall is "foss", in Sweden and in dialects up here it is "fors", and street is "gate". Fell I guess is from "fjell" which means mountain.
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Magnar, as you will know a great many words in everyday use in the modern English language are 'borrowed' from old Norse; from ancient Germanic languages that formed the basis of Old English; from Latin and old French. In my home county Yorkshire as well as in other counties in Northern England there are many words still used that derive from old Norse, ones I can bring to mind at the moment are:- fell- a hill; beck- a stream; crag- a cliff; force or foss- a waterfall; gate- a way or street; and my granddad used to go to work with his packed lunch which he called his bait.
Yes. I remember when we visited friends near Grimsby some years ago they referred to a small stream we passed while out walking as a beck.. the Norwegian word is "bekk". Norwegian for waterfall is "foss", in Sweden and in dialects up here it is "fors", and street is "gate". Fell I guess is from "fjell" which means mountain.
My granddads packed lunch (his bait) is from the Old Norse 'beita'-food
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Fish bait being food with which to catch fish. And did you read the wonderful books by Arthur Ramsome? The Amazons ("Swallows and Amazons") lived at Beckfoot, and they all explored the fells above the lakes, especially in "Pigeon Post" and "Great Northern." What super stories these were, and still are. I re-read them every few years.
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To the word " beck ":
What an interesting origin! In my region we call a small stream "Beeke".
I thought this was only of local use. When I had a look in a dictionary I learned that it is a widespread expression in low German.
Gerd Knoche
Solingen, Germany
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Dutch for small river is "beek" ... and we also had Vikings visiting here in the dark ages.
Actually, visiting Norway a number of years ago I found out that a number of our Flemish dialect words sounded similar in Norwegian.
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Those Scandinavians have a lot to answer for ;D
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Dutch for small river is "beek" ... and we also had Vikings visiting here in the dark ages.
Actually, visiting Norway a number of years ago I found out that a number of our Flemish dialect words sounded similar in Norwegian.
Thats right, Luc, many words are the same or almost the same in Dutch and Norwegian. But I think that's most of all because they both belong to the same language group: The Germanic languages. And I have also found that Dutch sailors ( I think) have brought quite some Dutch words to Norway, especially to the south west coast.
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just found this interesting, hijacked post, and know another word we share but I dont know how to spell it. neb = nose or beak
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In Lancashire the 'neb' of a flat cap is the peak at the front.
Shelagh
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- and in Norway the birds have "nebb" :)
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and in Denmark hardy Geraniums are Storkenaeb
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Another trip to Harlow Carr at the weekend. Got to get value for money out of RHS membership Mandy bought me.
I've not posted many pictures from the rest of the gardens so a few to start with.
1 & 2 general shots in the gardens. I think they are battered Colchicums at the base of the birch tree.
3 A view of the History of Gardens exhibition from across the lake.
4 A 'monster' log pile for wildlife
5 Persicaria milletti close up
6 A trough with various Saxifrage.
Sorry about the use of flash in some of the pictures. I kept having arguments with new camera about my settings. I'll get the better of it eventually.
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Shots from inside the alpine houses next. There was some information posted that they are getting a new alpine house for next year, look forward to seeing that.
1 & 2 Antirrhinum molle and close up
3 Erigeron karvinskianus
next a couple of Gentians
4 & 5 Gentiana dinarica
6 &7 Gentiana scabra
8 Narcissus 'Cedric Morris'
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1 & 2 Linaria hybrid
3 Limonium cosyrense
4 Campanula garganica
5 Veronica caespitosa
6 Sedum dasyphyllum var.mesattanticum
7 & 8 Primula palinuri
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I do like the Gentiana scabra, a nice combination of blue flowers and - presemably - autumn-coloured foliage. In NZ it is now illegal to grow Erigeron karvinskianus and illegal to offer it in nurseries/garden centres. Of course many people still do grow it, whether they want to or not. A neighbour 300 metres up wind of me in the same road has a border of it and every year I have to pull out thousands of seedlings before they get a hold. It would populate the earth if uncontrolled.
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Final lot from this trip.
A comparison of Cyclamen on display.
1 Cyclamen cilicium
2 Cyclamen coum
3 Cyclamen graceum
4 Cyclamen hederifolium
and finally specially for Cliff two Ranunculus ficaria
5 Ranunculus ficaria var. auranticus
6 Ranunculus ficaria 'Tortoiseshell'
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Super to see so much colour at this time of year, isn't it? Over such a variety of plants, too. Thanks, Mick... and Mandy, of course... without whom... etc! 8) ;)
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But oh! That darned 'Matterhorn'! As if one wasn't enough they have to go and put it right next to the new lake so you get the reflection as well! :o
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I thought the kindest thing was not to mention it, Anne. But since you have brought it up... what were they thinking of? I'm all for innovative planting opportunities but this is a step too far :P
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I'm all for innovative planting opportunities but this is a step too far
A step too far back perhaps, since I thought that this was an attempt at recreating Sir Frank Crisp's rock garden from the beginning of the last century?
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It is, but they might have placed it more sympathetically (eg behind a very high hedge!).
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The original got anathematised pretty soundly too. And, though they haven't tucked it behind a hedge, at least they don't seem to have included the 7,000 tons of limestone or the Pulhamite grotto - be thankful for what you didn't get!
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anathematised
Great word, Rob, I had no idea you had American connections ::) ;)
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Smashing pictures Mick, I enjoyed them.
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Great word, Rob, I had no idea you had American connections
Someone mentioned Betjeman elsewhere - I'm afraid I went all High Church.
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It is, but they might have placed it more sympathetically (eg behind a very high hedge!).
Or at the bottom of the lake.
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;)
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your camera shows the yellow of N. Cedric Morris very well. The first of mine is now over but not helped by being on show at the AGS Dublin Group discussion weekend
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i just wish Narcissus 'Cedric Morris' was able to get enough light up here to keep it so cute and short.... we love it, it lasts for MONTHS in flower but it gets very tall in our conditions.
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My 'Cedric Morris' is still in tight bud in the rockery.
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I'd like to try "Cedric Morris" but have never found it (perhaps not looked hard enough) - can somebody point me out who has it on his list ? ???
Thank you
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Luc, remind me next year and I'll have one for you.
Ian usually has one or two to spare, MacPlants certainly list it, not sure if Susan does at Pitcairn or not?
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My `Cedric Morris' came from Beth Chatto's nursery but way back in 1993.
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As compensation for missing Cleveland show we paid another visit to Harlow Carr on Sunday. A bit of snow still lying around but mostly gone with just a few snow flurries during the day.
Primula marginata emerging from under the snow.
Saxifrage pot.
The rest of the pictures are from inside the Alpine houses, of which are apparently going to be replaced this year with a new one.
Just one snowdrop for the 'white fever' crowd. I think there was some discussion on the forum about Galanthus 'straffan' a few weeks ago.
Iris 'clairette' (sorry that one was from outside as well)
Ipheion uniflorum 'Jessie'
Iris reticulata 'Natasha'
one for Maggi Rhododendron valaspis group
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A couple of bulbs now
Tulipa 'ancilla'
Fritillaria olivieri
Narcissus rupicola subsp waterii
Puschkinia scilloides var. libanotica
Next Adonis amurensis 'Fukujakai' which caught my eye, its on my wish list now.
Hepatica x media 'Ballardii'
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Next batch I'll start off with a few for Cliff for when he's back.
Ranunculus ficaria 'Tortoiseshell'
Ranunculus ficaria var. auranticus
Ranunculus ficaria 'Collarette'
plus a close up. Actually purchased one of these today, the power of suggestion.
Morisia monanthos 'Fred Hemingway'
Townsendia 'parryi'
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Last few now.
Soldanella carpatica
A few Primula to tempt David 'back to his homeland'
Primula allionii 'apple blossom'
Primula marginata 'El Bolton'
Primula marginata hybrid
To finish a couple of Saxifrage
Saxifrage B16
Saxifrage 'Tvuj den'
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Must have been a nice day for you Mick.
Looking alpines under glass and not outside!
Beautiful pictures. Thanks a lot.
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Thanks for this pleasant visit, Mick.....some good plants, eh?
I am not very clued up about this Rhododendron.... the name "Valapsis Group" means nothing to me :-[
Looking at the plant, which has the appearance of a yellow flowered leucapsis, I will make a guess ( only vaguely educated, I'm afraid!) that this "group" is a collection of hybrids of R. valentianum ( small deep yellow flowers) and R. leucapsis ( larger campanulate white flowers) Both species have hairy leaves which are evident in the plant.
If Kaye is reading this, perhaps she can get more info? ???
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Paid two visits - a week apart - to Harlow Carr recently. On the first it was raining and bitterly cold and on the second almost shirt-sleeve order.
A few shots of the Alpine House over both weekends plus some of the popular plant fair held in the grounds over the May Bank holiday.
Note the September 2012 event with some good speakers and stalls.
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