Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: Regelian on June 04, 2010, 09:38:06 AM
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Although most are simply much too large for a rockery, without the genus Rosa, our gardens would simply not be complete.
Here are a few of the first this season.
Ard's Rover
Aviator Blèriot
Bourbon Queen- just opening
Bourbon Queen- 2 days old
Celine Forrestier
Crocus Rose
Easlea's Golde Rambler
Ghislaine de Fèligonde
Himmelsauge (trans. Eye of Heaven)
Mme Issac Perriere
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here are a few more.
Paul Noel- a rampant rambler with vicious thorns, scented somewhat like apples
Rêve d'Or - an incredibly strong grower that could overtake any pergola
Rêve d'Or - another shot
Summer Blush - a rarely seen, extremely fragrant modern rose. Once blooming
The Countryman - an Austin intro
Trompeter von Säckingen - the fully open flowers are flat-quartered
Westerland - one of Kordes best large shrub/small climbers
Westerland - fully open flower
White Gold - a new small climber I added last season. Wonderfully fragrant and gorgeous flower, healthy foliage
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Jamie, I agree with you. Some roses should grow in every garden.
You show a wonderful collection.
Hard to believe that in your place, just 300 Km from here they are flowering already.
Here I see just some buds developing, but no flowers yet. Westerland is one I have already for years, but only found out that it is a climber too and replanted last winter. It has such a warm color.
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Jamie, you have some lovely roses flowering and I, like Luit, am surprised at how forward they all are! The scents must be wonderful in your garden. Funnily enough, in The Swiss Alps by us roses grow really well and are free from disease and they do look wonderful in the mountains. if only I could find a sweetly scented miniature rose it would have pride of place in my rockery.
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Jamie could you please show a couple of other shots of Aviator Bleriot as I would like to put a name to a rose. The unknown came with the study name of "Dick's Rambler"
As we go into winter the only rose bloom is Comtesse Vandal but some of the autumn colour of leaves and stems can be amazing - especially one of the boursaults is a brilliant red
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Luit, Robin,
my garden is always a few weeks ahead, as Cologne is quite warm (Zone 8) (ok, ok, Zone 8 ), plus the garden is walled. At the moment, things seem to be a bit compressed and everything is popping open. I expect most of the roses will be in full bloom next week. Quite a few of the gallicas are still in bud, but the climbers are all in bloom. I did loos e quite a few roses in the last two winters, but I simply pull them and carry on, as I did start with 300 cultivars! I currently have a bit over 100.
Pat,
I'll take some more shots of Aviator Bleriot tommorow. It is a large rose, about 4-5 meters, with clusters of lightly fragrant true yellow blossoms, no sign of gold or orange, thad fade to a creamy yellow. leaves are a shiny, bright green, stems have good thorns and grow very upright, then cascading. Somewhere between a climber and a rambler in habit.
Here are a few more I took this morning.
Aloha (new rose from Kordes, not the classic from the 60's)
Autumn Sunset - a sport of Westerland with much softer colours
Breeze Hill - a wichuriana climber with wonderful blossoms
climber- whose name I did not note, one of the spontaneous buys. New intro with huge flowers and decent scent.
Danae - a musk rose with delicate golden-yellow blossoms
unknown Gallica which I grew from a cutting
Hippolyte - a classic gallica
Ilse Krohn Superior - wonderful smaller white climber
multiflora climber of lost name. Everblooming!
Spelndens - a small myhrr scented ranbler I wouldn't be without
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Luit, Robin,
my garden is always a few weeks ahead, as Cologne is quite warm (Zone 8)
I love the way typing Zone 8 with a bracket after it turns into a sunglasses smiley. 8) Try it on preview and you'll see just type 8 ) without the space between 8)
We're also Zone 8 in the UK but not always so sunglasses smiley
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Diane, oops, I forgot! nice effect, though.
As punishment, here are my last few for today. The rose 'Meteor' is difficult to capture, as the colour is a shocking pink-red, verging on fuchsia.
Meteor - a stunner!
Treasure Trove - a golden-pink climbing giant. 9 metres!
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I'm in Zone 9 and Roses just about coming into their own. Yours are beautiful Jamie.
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An alba and a gallica, labels long since gone.
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Giles,
your gallica looks like 'Tuscany Superb' or 'Tuscany'. A classic under the gallicas!
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OK, a few more from today. Unfortunately, the sun is so strong, they were very difficult to fotograph.
Alchemyst - one sees how the rose changes over the days. Sumptuous, fragrant, once-blooming.
Lady Hillingdon - red new wood and golden blossoms, names after the lady who mentioned that 'when my husbads lays on top of me, I close my eyes and think of England'. And such a wonderful rose! Just not fair. ;D
Paul Noel - two shots of this rose, which is a personal favourite. Massice growth, masses of blossoms, a bit of repeating, but only lightly scented and thorny to a fault! Still fabulous.
Mme. Lauriol de Barny - if I had but one smallish climber, this would be the one. Fragrant, fragrant, fragrant! Wonderful blossoms and very healthy. One of the best of the Bourbon roses.
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Pat,
here are a few over exposed shots of Aviator Bleriot. Hope they help. Although this rose is often described as having an apricot tone, I find it is actually a true yellow, not really pinky, which I expect for apricot. On the other hand, apricots are yellow in some areas, not at all pinky, which may explain this reference.
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Jamie Aviator Bleriot is different to what we have. BY the way Lady Hillingdon the rose is 100 this year. David Ruston at Renmark organised a garden party for the event - ladies and men dressed in period costumes. We organised to have an old bush ( the last of Miss Hatch's garden - house and garden razed to the ground) moved by the local Council. It now graces the front entrance to the Council Chambers and is dedicated to the gardeners of the Barossa Valley. We can move mountains if we want to!!
It is the least the council could do after spraying ALL rose bushes on their main roads - including a group of about 12 at least 80 year old roses outside an old farmyard. The contractor was supposed to spray Rosa canina and Rosa eglanteria.
Gallicas grow so much better in Europe.
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Jamie some really roses there.
Can you tell me which ones are less likely to fall to blackspot or a great performer..strong growers with lots of blooms and great perfume??
cheers
Stephen
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Stephen,
none of the roses that still survive in my garden are disease magnets. Those have long been routed from the beds. I have no interest (ecologically minded gardener) or time to spray for disease and pests. I can heartily recommend all of these hybrids. Most a very fragrant, some only a bit, but fragrance is too important to ignore, therefore I have only planted varieties know to be well scented. Mind you, I have noted that some people do not note or appreciate some of the scents, especially those with myrrh. Plus, most diurnal bloomers are only well scented during daylight ours and/or warmth.
What kind of rose are you looking for?
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A few more, some which are unidentified, being old, possibly lost varieties. The purples in Gallic roses are particularly difficult to capture on fotos. I have adjusted the colour as well as possible.
Buff Beauty - a classic I use as a small climber into japanese maples
Errinerrung an Brod - A classic blue rambler. Parent of many blue climbers
Cybeline - an older Austin rose scented of myrrh
Elfe - a german climber, possibly under a different name outside of Germany
An unknown Gallica I raised from a cutting
Graham Stuart Thomas - an english rose from behind! (boy, how did I misname this one?)
Heritage - a favourite Austin intro, hard to beat.
Mme Platier - a very fragrant alba rose, can be used as a small climber
Pergolése - wonderfully fragrant portland rose
unknown bourbon
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plus three more
unknown red Gallica raised from a cutting
Veilchenblau - the classic blue climber, raised from Errinerung an Brod
Violette - small, deep violet flowers in clusters
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Mentioned recently was my R. serafinis that has never flowered. I has now! and only a few cm across
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Beautiful Jamie. My roses are way behind yours but this one, R. 'Fruhlingsmorgen', is a real joy, growing through the honeysuckle Lonicera x italica.
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Mark, Gail,
what beautiful, simple blossoms! I was driving outside of the city yesterday and the roadsides are filled with blooming R. canina, R. multiflora, as well as some probable hybrids, dotted hear an there by clumps of poppies. A lovely sight without a soft shoulder to pull over in and better enjoy! I opened my roof and took in the delicate aroma of multiflora.
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I only have a couple of roses and they're not in bloom anyway but at the weekend I'll try to get a picture of the wonderful Rosa moysii 'Geranium,' in fruit at the Dunedin Railway Station where my Farmers' Market takes place. Last year I had the same plan but when I got myself into gear and took the camera, it had been hard pruned the day before and not a hip was in sight.
This is my most favourite rose, which I'm trying from cuttings as I can't find a source locally. I've grown it from seed but they were a muddy pink shade, not the super lipsticky red of 'Geranium.'
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you have a great collection Jamie :o, I dont have so many but Rosa roxburghii is doing well, got one or two tea roses and a few other species. congratulations on serafinis Mark, good luck with Geranium Lesley I usualy rip off small basal shoots and cut them down they root better for me. I love the older cultivars Gail
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Again, it had been pruned back, some time during the week. Can't seem to get my timing right with this one. :(
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It is interesting to me that so many iris lovers also grow roses - especially the older or species.
Good to see this thread. I agree with Lesley that Geranium is a stunning rose. I have never been able to get a plant. One species that I do love for its delicate foliage and flowers is Rosa willmottiana
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Jamie,
you have great collection of roses 8) - if I only could have more space ::)
My little collection of mainly tea hybrids is in flower too:
Gloria Dei - breeded by Meilland 1945 - one of the best grower, large flowers and desease resistent tea hybrid. A 'must' for every rose lover!
Parole - Kordes 2001 - large single flowers (Ø14cm), with strong scent - wow!
Big Purple - P.Stephens 1986 - flowers large, strong filled, strong scent. Simply great flower shape but weaker in growth and unfortunately not long lasting in a vase
Duftwolke - Tantau 1963 - tea hybrid with visible polyantha genes, multiflower heads, large flowers, strong scent. One flower in a vase fills a room with a rose scent.
Oklahoma - Swim & Weeks 1964 - a strong scented dark red tea hybrid. Strong growth but sensitive for fungal decease in case of big temperature changes day/night.
Caribia - Wheatcroft 1973 - unusal flamed color, half filled. Strong growth but no scent. An eye-catcher in a rose bed.
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continued...
Acapella - Tantau 1995 - a wonderful rose. Good growth, strong scented, healthy.
Duftgold - Tantau 1981 - a strong scented yellow. A bit low in growth and senstive against fungal decease (rost).
Erotica - Tantau 1968 - perfektly shaped flowers, strong scent. The name is program. ;)
Schloss Ippenburg - Meilland 2006 - a phantastic new rose! One of my fafourites! Large, perfect flowers, strong growth, healthy, strong scent... 8)
Finally, view on my rose beds surrounded by Prince Igor, a polyantha hybrid. A brilliant orange fading to pink over the time.
Sorry, I have to leave now to watch the soccer game Germany against Australia.
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Jamie, you have a wonderful collection of roses.
Your pics of Cymbeline and Heritage don't look right though. Cymbeline is a dusky grey pink, a very unusual colour but yours looks white?
Also, your heritage looks much too full, heritage is a cupped shape. Is it possible your pics got mixed up?
Do you not get any pests at all on your roses?
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Two of mine; 'Fantin Latour', a really good vigorous shrub and nice perfume and 'Indigo' which was obviously named by someone who is colour blind!
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Jamie, you have a wonderful collection of roses.
Your pics of Cymbeline and Heritage don't look right though. Cymbeline is a dusky grey pink, a very unusual colour but yours looks white?
Also, your heritage looks much too full, heritage is a cupped shape. Is it possible your pics got mixed up?
Do you not get any pests at all on your roses?
Helen,
that is Cybeline, but it tends to almost white in my garden. As it was in the sun, it was more pinkish, but it now grows in shade as the tree next to it has spread out. Also, I find the colour changes as the season warms up, getting more grey. I really love this rose, especially for the unique fragrance.
Heritage is typically a different colour in my garden as in my cousins in England. I don't know why for sure, but I suspect it has to do with the soil. Hers is quite acid in comparison and better drained. I've noted quite a few of the Austin stable being different in my garden, although all of them are direct from David Austin. Noble Anthony is really pink for me, instead of the deeper cherry red typical for the cultivar.
It's been raining for the last few days, but I hope to post some more shots tomorrow.
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Gail Fantin Latour is one of my personal favourites - only flowers in spring but thornless, easy to grow from cuttings and a lovely perfume and bush & flower shape.
Gloria Dei is known as Peace over here.
Uhm I hear that the Aussies got done by Germany - I do not usually follow soccer but I did hear this outcome.
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Jamie, I'm so enjoying this wonderful roses thread and have something up my sleeve to share later today ;)
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I'm glad everyone seem to be enjoying this genus! I took a few more shots today, which are really not as good due to another camera and darker corners to photograph, but here goes.
Duchess de Rohan - I'm not 100% sure on this ID
Eugenie Guinoisseau - a moss rose I use as a climber. Wonderful fragrance.
Falstaff - another Austin rose with exceptional fragrance. One of his best purple-reds.
La Belle Sultane - an extremely old rose, been around for at least 400 years.
Lemon Blush - another modern alba rose from Sievers.
l'Eveque (The Bishop) - I grew this from a cutting I picked-up at Sangershausen. At the time, this cultivar was very difficult to find. Makes a great short hedge, as it suckers about.
Marechal Davoust - a tall moss I use as a climber. Agaoin, wonderful fragrance, the leaves as well.
Noble Anthony - a pinkish red from Austin. If not for the colour, I would toss it as it is a poor doer, although never diseased.
Pat Austin - a truly beautiful rose with an exotic fragrance. Tends to droop, but is still worth growing.
species - I saw this yesterday growing through a fenced-in field and took a cutting. No idea what it is, but beautiful and slightly fragrant. addendum: looks like this may be a hybrid with R. glauca.
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And a climber more, White New Dawn. Not as robust as the original, but quite white.
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Armin,
you have some wonderful tea hybrids. I had Duftwolke (Fragrant Cloud in English) for many years, but seem to have misplaced it! Sounds sily, but I do do this at times. I really enjoyed the intensely scented blossoms of that curious deep pink. A very 'tarty' rose for its time.
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Hi Jamie does your species look like R canina with blue / purple leaves? if so it is Rosa glauca, there are lots of synonyms for it eg R rubrafolia
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Peter,
I know R. glauca, and this isn't it. Flowers are twice as large and the foliage is more a medium green, not the wonderful blue of glauca. It may well be a chance species hybrid.
Ciao,
Jamie
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would this be anything like it then Jamie? it fits your description :P
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Peter,
very much so, although the colour was more intense than in your picture. The new growth did have slight reddish tips, although it was quite pale green, with but the lightest bluish tinge.
What is it? It doesn't look anything like my R. glauca. Is it a hybrid?
Jamie
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Jamie, last week I visited Mottisfont in the UK which has an internationally renowned and wonderful collection of old roses - incase anyone here on your thread is interested I have posted it under Visits and I also have a complete list of the roses which were at their very best somewhat late this year.
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Peter,
very much so, although the colour was more intense than in your picture. The new growth did have slight reddish tips, although it was quite pale green, with but the lightest bluish tinge.
What is it? It doesn't look anything like my R. glauca. Is it a hybrid?
Jamie
I have five seedlings of a plant raised from R glauca in my fathers nursery 30+ years ago. The seedling was like a rather straggly R glauca with taller arching stems. the plant was sold unflowerd to a neighber, when it flowerd we realised it was a hybred, (usually its seed came true) the flowers were at least twice the size of R glauca and a brighter cerise pink. the foliage was a good plum colour but not with the pinkness of glauca, the leaflets were larger and less pointed.
for years I tried to root it but not one cutting took, the rather poor picture of the plant shows two of the five seedlings, the left hand one is taller and greener, the close up is of the right hand plant. another seedling has germinated this spring after four years from sowing.
We speculated long and hard on the stray pollen parent, I am hoping these F2 plants will reveal it, swegenzowii, pimpinellifolia, sericia, moisii, ecae- lots of species grew around. I think a clue is in its rather fine thorns.... :-\ some of the seedlings have a smaller more twiggy habit and are yet to flower
I believe there are a few registerd R glauca hybreds but it is ages since I read up on them, I guess yours may be a hybred too
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As promised to Robin elsewhere on the Forum, here i are pix of my favourite rose in the garden ( we only have three!) .... it is a Rosa sericea, grown from seed collected in the Himalaya by Alastair McKelvie.
Nobody told our rose that it is supposed to make a height of 2 m so it is heading to 3m, arching beautifully, in blissful ignorance.
Recent windy weather has blown a lot of the flowers off it, but it still looks good.
I suppose the blossoms are about 7cms across
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Maggi, what an exquisite rose :) With room to climb up a tree in your garden who could want more than to look up into that beautiful shaped, open hearted mountain flower? Thank you so much for sharing it.
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Maggie,
despite my love for the gallicas, hybrid musks and fragrant climbers, I find myself easily seduced by natures simple and exquisite beauty. A wonderful rose you have...and with provenance! ;D
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Well, it looks like what I found is a hybrid, then, as there are no species that fit it native or introduced. In any case, I find it a fine rose. Hope it roots!
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Thank you, Friends... we are very fond of the rose, particularly since our friend Alastair collected the seed.
The habit of it is so good, tall, arching stems, self supporting and spiny... pale green soft foliage those lovely creamy white flowers and, later, black hips.
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I also have a rose, collected by friends in Nepal many years ago. Any ideas what it is? Large flowers.
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Does anyone still grow 'Paul's Lemon Pillar?' My mother had this lovely rose, lemon but barely so, almost white and with quite short flowering season. I've not been able to find one in recent years. I hope to find a NZ garden so I can beg some cuttings.
Rosa sericea is certainly a beauty. It also brings to mind one of my favourite things, Rubus x Tridel 'Benendon.'
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Lesley,
I have Paul's Lemon Pillar growing in a dark corner still. I need to propogate it and give it a better position, as it is one of the most perfect and beautiful whites I have ever seen. Nothing lemon about it. I'm sure someone in NZ still has it as it is a much too important rose to become forgotten.
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I saw this fine form of the Himalayan Rose in the botanics in Edinburgh last October - Rosa sericea var omeiensis f. pteracantha
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I also have a rose, collected by friends in Nepal many years ago. Any ideas what it is? Large flowers.
could it be R paulii? I'm not sure where it comes from, spreads sideways and not many thorns.
I love your sericea Maggie a few hips would be agreat start to the sowing season. Ptectcanthea is a wonderfull beast too.
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Rosa omiensis pteracantha. What colour are the flowers? This is not mine, I've not seen the flowers.
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Rosa omiensis pteracantha. What colour are the flowers? This is not mine, I've not seen the flowers.
They are white, too, Lesley.
I think a blush pink variety may exist, too, but ones I've seen are white.
Peter: I'll make a note about the rosehips for you. Make no promise to remember/find it again, of course! :-X :-[ :-[
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I'll keep my fingers crossed, Thanks Maggie :-*
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With white flowers among the red stems and thorns it must be really lovely. I'll have to go a-looking for cuttings.
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As promised to Robin elsewhere on the Forum, here i are pix of my favourite rose in the garden ( we only have three!) .... it is a Rosa sericea, grown from seed collected in the Himalaya by Alastair McKelvie.
Nobody told our rose that it is supposed to make a height of 2 m so it is heading to 3m, arching beautifully, in blissful ignorance.
Recent windy weather has blown a lot of the flowers off it, but it still looks good.
I suppose the blossoms are about 7cms across
very nice--roses are among the few flowers that i don't mind in overdone doubles, but i do like the simple natural ones! the white is lovely..
our native R acicularis is just starting now, and will soon line roadsides, field edges, and anywhere it gets even a slight break in the forest--our yard is full of them!
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Last year my Zephrine Drouhin was rubbish, covered in black spot and few flowers. I March I cut back every stem to a few cm and removed many others. I should have taken a photo.
This is what it looks like today. The scent um-umm-ummm and can fill the garden when a breeze blow the right way
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there is a mass of flowers above also. The middle photos the colour change from deep pink to pale before the petals fall
Top of my wants list Souviner du Dr. Jamin - deepest blood red, double, mighty scent, suitable for poor soild and best on a north wall
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Mark,
isn't it amazing what a good pruning will do! Of course, it should be an otherwise healthy plant, but I try to do a major prune on my climbers every three years to keep them under control and maintain vigour. Although I don't grow Zepherine Drouhin, I do grow Souvenir de Doctor Jamain, on a nrothe wall, and it is a very worthwhile rose. I cannot handle full sun, as it does burn very easily, but the flowers are a small wonder. This is one scheduled to be hard trimmed this season, as it is starting to straggle and look rubbish, as many hybrid perpetuals are wont to do. At the Rose Garten Westfallen, they take the hybrid-perpetuals right to the ground every season and they consistently produce 2m high stems every year. Although this group is a bit more than sussceptable to rust and black-spot, they are very vigourous.
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Do you think I can cut Zepherine to the ground?
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Mark,
You might like to try the other two in the trio - Kathleen Harrop which is a lighter pink and Martha which is in between.
I used to err on the side of caution with pruning but after seeing some good results from fairly hard pruning I am starting to swing in that direction. Not that I do any pruning at home.
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Do you think I can cut Zepherine to the ground?
I beg your pardon, Sir? :o
(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/11/80/17/15/th/zephir10.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1269&u=11801715) ;D
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Do you think I can cut Zepherine to the ground?
I beg your pardon, Sir? :o
Mark,
as you can see, there may be some resistance! ;D ;D.
If you wish to keep it as a shrub, instead of a climber, than pruning back to a very low ground structure in Winter would push more basal shoots from the graft. As a climber, I would only remove the old and weak wood, plus take it back to a smaller shape, about half size or less, each season. A lot depends on how the rose is to perform. I often grow shrub roses as small climbers, due to general lack of space. A rose that tends to a bit over a metre as a lax shrub, can often be trained to a 3 metre climber.
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Empress Josephine.
Gallicas in evening light (Apologies for wheelie bin and slabs (project in progress))
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Giles what a beautiful aspect and the roses look superb against the grey of your stone/rock. Guess they are all budded or it would be a wilderness of suckering roses
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Thankyou, Pat.
Yes, budded. Presumably on 'Laxa' rootstock. But they sucker.
They thrive on neglect. No insecticide of fungicide. Thick woodchip mulch, which needs weeding only twice a year. One hard prune in the Autumn, only.
One feed in the Spring. Never watered. 10 years old now.
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Thanks Pat and Jamie, sorry Zephirine
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Giles if you prune in autumn you still get flowers in spring??? I have been told that you should prune springflowerers straight after their blooming or you will not get blooms the next spring.
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Pat,
this is only partly correct. Yes, the flowers are born on small branchlets that grow from the previous years matured wood, which means you should not cut them to the ground, which was commonly done with florabundas and hybrid teas as they were the were first en vogue. The once blooming cultivars need this older wood to produce flowers en masse. I always prune my older cultivars hard after the bloom to encourage a lot of new growth for the next season. This means I remove the older wood and take them back to a relatively small size, sometimes to the ground, knowing they will now go into a strong growth cycle for the Summer. In Winter, I prune them to shape, but not hard to the ground. For the continuous bloomers, I tend to wait until Winter to do the pruning, only removing ungangly branches during the season.
There is no wrong time to prune, other than the Spring, when you would literally remove the flowers on all cultivars. It is the type of pruning at which season for which cultivar/type that is important. Indeed, with the palnting Giles has, I would prune after the bloom to encourage lots of new shoots and maybe not prune at all in the Winter. The mass effect of matured gallicas is simply too wonderfull to tame. Giles, what is you approach?
Jamie
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Oh dear.
I fear you are taking this far too seriously.
It's not a planned pruning schedule, more a case of hacking them back when they look tatty.
I once didn't prune them at all for several years, and the flowers were their best ever.
The back garden has the 'albas', (chlorosis a continual problem on such an alkaline soil):
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Giles all my roses are lucky if they ever get any sort of pruning and if I do it is only to get out the older and dead wood as I love to see roses growing as they want.
I have plenty of room to allow this.
Pat
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The dry weather has meant little by way of flowers rotting, but the bright sun has badly bleached the darker colours.
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'Plenty of room', Pat, must be wonderful, as I never have enough space (or time) for all of the things I want to grow..
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..and you realise that all of this is Jamie's fault ( ;D)
Duchesse de Montebello is always my favourite, Cramosie Picotee is a total waste of space.
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The sun here has ruined all the flowers of my Galway Bay. On Monday it was 26.5 hotter than most countries in Europe
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..and you realise that all of this is Jamie's fault ( ;D)
Duchesse de Montebello is always my favourite, Cramosie Picotee is a total waste of space.
I happily take the blame! ;D Beautiful.......
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While looking for a particular rose in my listing of photos taken at Sangerhausen in 2002 I came across a slide of Belle Rosine which I commented at the time looked like Charles de Mills . Anyone grow both? What are the differences? There is a large question mark hanging over the name Charles de Mills as it kind of came into literature fairly late. It was never in the early catalogues here in Australia yet we have large old plantings of it in cemeteries with a German/Prussian background.
I have not yet gone through my early cats to find Belle Rosine yet.
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There is quite a bit of confusion, Pat, I agree. 'Charles de Mills'original name is usually considered to be 'Bizarre Triomphant'. And HMF says 'Belle Rosine' in Sangerhausen and in commerce is not the true 'Belle Rosine' by Vibert...some pictures in their database show a rose of a lighter pink than CDM...
A few more oldies, just for the pleasure of the eyes? (sorry I can't send you their wonderful scent...)
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+That which we call a rose. By any other name would smell as sweet." Charles de Mills' is a 'wantus tomovus inmygardenus" type ;D
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2sz-1.jpg) originaly was a white rose :o
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/ede.jpg) Eden
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/ba.jpg) Honore de Balzac
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/kino.jpg) Kimono
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/dega.jpg) Charles de Gaull
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/szp-1.jpg) nameless but loved
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'Belle Rosine' was on the lists of the F. C. Davis nursery here in Adelaide, South Australia in 1862 and 63.
One that continues to crop up in those early cats is Boula de Nanteuil, and to a lesser extent Grandidissima and La Moskowa in the right colour to be a contender.
'Bizarre Triomphant' is not on any.
I have scanned my slide of Belle Rosine taken in ER and attached. Yes like most large collections there is always the risk of incorrect roses going under a certain name. I did notice as I was labelling my slides from ER that a large number were incorrect.
As we are fairly limited in our early European roses here in Australia it is good to see pictures of roses that we do not know - to help identify found roses.
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Arykana - are you saying that Charles de Mills spreads himself around too much?
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Arykana - are you saying that Charles de Mills spreads himself around too much?
no, I mean Charles de Mills missing from my garden ;D this type of rose is not common in Hungary - very rare and expensive
I had a chance last year to get a Chippendale
I could make 'engraft'/?/ , but if the bud/eye /which is the correct?/ is missing.................................. ::)
i had to learn engrafting, because many times I have bougth a rose, and became a total different I wanted
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'Charles de Mills', if grown own root, is definitely a mad suckerer...as most, if not all, gallica roses!
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my other dream is Goeff Hamilton
What is you mean - definitely a mad suckerer... - i do not understand
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Sorry, Arykana: I mean it spreads a lot, by growing new shoots (suckers) from its roots, all around. A friend of mine has a (own root, not grafted) CDM with branches coming from the ground all through a disk of about 3m diameter!
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Wonderful habit ;D ;D, I have to get one and a new garden for him :o
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;D In fact, my friend complains a lot about it, threatening to dig it off every year, since the new shoots sprout even through the neighbouring path, and she has a habit of walking in her gardens bare footed! :-X
But each year, when it blooms, she forgives all its sins... ;)
I couldn't be without CDM myself...a perfection of a rose, in its way...and the fragrance!...
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Where are you live exactly? My husband just filled up the car - CDM was love in the first site
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About half-way between Lyon and Grenoble...I wave my hand through the window....do you see me? ;D
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Yes, I do! Thank you! ;D
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Some of mine -
Rosa x alba 'Alba Maxima'
R. 'Baron Girod de l'Ain'
Rosa x centiflora 'Cristata' (Chapeau de Napoleon)
'Dusky Maiden'
R. gallica 'Versicolor' (Rosa Mundi) Rosa Mundi is a sport with a tendency to revert as seen in the flowers at the back of the image.
‘Heritage’
‘Madame Hardy’
'Paul's Himalayan Musk'
'Teasing Georgia'
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You have such wonderful roses in your garden, Gail.....in mine only a handful but this is my complete favourite to look forward to each year in flower and in bud.
Margaret Merrill AGM M White with pink shading, very fragrant
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You have such wonderful roses in your garden, Gail.....in mine only a handful but this is my complete favourite to look forward to each year in flower and in bud.
Margaret Merrill AGM M White with pink shading, very fragrant
I have Margaret Merrill here and agree it is lovely & beautifully scented, however here unfortunately it is a martyr to blackspot.
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What a shame Gail, so far no blackspot on mine....the other one I spied in your latest posting that I love which my Mother grew is Madame Hardy with the green 'eye' - so far I haven't found it around here.
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Gail, I have been looking for a rose for semi shade (corner, over a fence) and see that you Dusky Maiden could fit the criteria :D floribunda in wildish area would be good and I love the single open bloom and colour, repeat flowering, fragrant too it seems. Is this rose prone to mildew and does it hold the flower for a reasonable time? Your photo shows it off beautifully.
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I think Devon is the capital of the blackspot world :(
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Gail, I have been looking for a rose for semi shade (corner, over a fence) and see that you Dusky Maiden could fit the criteria :D floribunda in wildish area would be good and I love the single open bloom and colour, repeat flowering, fragrant too it seems. Is this rose prone to mildew and does it hold the flower for a reasonable time? Your photo shows it off beautifully.
My plant is growing in a fairly shady spot - overcrowded by other shrubs and trees. Still flowers okay and I've never seen mildew on it but I have to say it's not the best for fragrance, only a very light scent. I could try and root some cuttings if you're interested?
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Some of my favourites from this year.
Unfortunately, after one glorious week of my OGRs in full bloom we had a lot of rain which turned them into a soggy mess.
Scepter'd Isle
Sharifa Asma
Topaz Jewel
Ambridge Rose
Tuscany Superb
Charles de Mills
Belle Isis
Ispahan
Mme Hardy
Félicité Parmentier
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What fantastic scent all through this thread. It almost has me swooning. ::)
Oh no, it's a little bit of wintersweet. ;D
I saw 'Margaret Merill' yesterday in a local garden centre, bare-rooted in a plastic bag. I'll go back today and rescue her.
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Maggiepie some lovely oldies and newies there. Iceberg is always such a good flower - if loose - here but when I visited the St Marys Rose Garden in 2002 the whole patch had blooms which were soggy brown mush. I had never seen it look so awful.
Not a rose in sight here at the moment - but in our repository in town I can see a few blooms bravely blooming when I pick up the mail.
In Western Australia they are probably picking buckets full of Tea roses even now.
There are some lovely green shades in the garden though.
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Pat, before I left Australia, I was living in the Hunter Valley in NSW. I had a climbing iceberg that was never without flowers, was an amazing plant.
I really miss tea roses, Lady Hillingdon especially.
I can truthfully say that I have never seen as many flowers on a rosebush as this year on my ( still baby) gallicas and albas, it is probably a good thing they only flower once.
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Lovely roses all!
In June, when I visited a small, very interesting nursery in Austria I saw this beautiful white climber in a Pinus tree. The gardener could not tell the name; therefore I hope there is somebody among the specialists here who can tell me?
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Luit,
that could be 'Bobbie James', a massive multiflora hybrid or most likely Kiftsgate, a filipes hybrid. Was it fragrant, as Kiftsgate is not particularly.
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Thanks Jamie! I see Bobby James is not as single as the plant I saw.
It's just that I found out at the Kiftsgate Court site that it is flowering there in July and I saw the plant in mid June in Austria.
But the weather this year shows more different flowering times than normally.
I did send a mail to my friend with the question about smelling. When we were there it was pouring down and I was happy to make pictures from under the umbrella. Not the kind of weather where you would smell much :-\
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Seagull, Sir Cedric Morris and Wedding Day are similar (although the latter develops a creamy tint as the flowers develop). And there are various wild species.....
You may want a try at the search facility on Peter Beales Roses site;
http://www.classicroses.co.uk/productindex.php?prodfinderformroseColour=whitecream&prodfinderformroseGroup=rambler&prodfinderformroseBloomType=single&type=rose&recsperpage=10&pagenum=1
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Gail, I have been looking for a rose for semi shade (corner, over a fence) and see that you Dusky Maiden could fit the criteria :D floribunda in wildish area would be good and I love the single open bloom and colour, repeat flowering, fragrant too it seems. Is this rose prone to mildew and does it hold the flower for a reasonable time? Your photo shows it off beautifully.
My plant is growing in a fairly shady spot - overcrowded by other shrubs and trees. Still flowers okay and I've never seen mildew on it but I have to say it's not the best for fragrance, only a very light scent. I could try and root some cuttings if you're interested?
Gail, it would be simply wonderful if you are thinking of striking some rose cuttings to have Dusky Maiden - it would be a real treat to grow on one of yours in the spot I described - plant associations with people are the best! Rather poor soil here but this year I added masses of New Forest Pony manure/compost and the so lots of plants are flourishing ;D Thanks for your generous offer.
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or helpmefind.com/roses
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Helen your collection of roses is simply wonderful, your garden must be a fragrant paradise :)
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Here is Pretty Jessica a David Austin/modern with old rose fragrance - growing to under 3' means you can look right into it and I'll take another photo when fully open....
For Lesley, Margaret Merrill in fabulous unfurling bud - I hope you rescued her barefoot namesake you saw ::)
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Yes thenks Robin, I did and for the moment she is potted in a large pot and will be planted out in due course. Also bought two stunning Magnolias - very expensive though. ???
Erika, what was the visitor that left those rounded bites out of your rose? And what is the gorgeous amber-coloured rose in the same post please?
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Last year I had the same chewing marks and I put it down to leafcutter bees.
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Robin, Pretty Jessica is looking pretty promising :) does it smell?
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Last year I had the same chewing marks and I put it down to leafcutter bees.
They do look cut, don't they. I wondered had something nibbled neatly, round and back, round and back...
Luit, I'm sure you mean to ask is the rose scented, or fragrant. ;D
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Erika, what was the visitor that left those rounded bites out of your rose? And what is the gorgeous amber-coloured rose in the same post please?
Shame, but the amber rose do not have name. I bought in a gardencenter, and the gardener know only it is "English" rose
it has easy, delicate a fragrant, and blooms in waves
Megachile centuncularis group visit me regularly, they choose this rose and make a skeleton every year - used to they did with my W. Shakespeare 2000
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Luit, I'm sure you mean to ask is the rose scented, or fragrant. ;D
To experience the smell of something by putting your nose close to it
Ooooh Lesley, I will try to remember but in English there are so many subtitles for this word, whereas in Dutch we mostly use two. We more often just use ‘good smelling’ or ‘bad smelling’
So in future I will use the word ‘fragrant’ for flowers and WOMEN :) if I don’t forget :-\ ;D ;D
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Luit, your jokes really tickle my sense of humour (please translate ;) )
Yes Luit, Pretty Jessica smells very fragrant ;D and full of promise with those buds 8)
It was a gift from my son who had a girlfriend by that name who is now not around except in my garden where she is delightful :D
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Yes, some times in English language hard to feel the difference
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Glorious roses and photos, Arykana - who could resist them? No wonder people come and visit your garden to see them :D
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Arykana,
looks like your unknown amber rose may be 'Graham Thomas' or a rose from this breeding, a classic amongst the English Roses.
This has been a wonderful experience seeing what you grow, plus the countryside and towns in your other thread.
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Arykana,
I join with Regelian, your unkown is 'Graham Thomas'.
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Luit, you know I'm always teasing, or "pulling your leg." ;D The rose in question, being a lady, is fragrant or sweet-scented or even sweet smelling, or perfumed, but if she just "smells," she may not have washed recently. :o ;D
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everybody on the beach?
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everybody on the beach?
Not on the beach but we did have a couple of days in Somerset. We stopped at the Savill garden on the way back to see their new rose garden which was opened by the Queen in June. It was very nice with swirling blocks of roses and a lovely central elevated walkway from which to look down on the roses but I have to admit not as dramatic as I had hoped - no climbing roses so it looked rather flat; I would have liked a high swooping arch to send some ramblers up. They have a row of stone edged raised beds at the side of the garden which were lovely but I was surprised to see they hadn't put any miniature roses in them. I include the allium picture for Mark Mc.
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nice pictures Gail, I wish if I would have this size of field for roses. I defenetely would make rose arches
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Arykana, you have a real passion for roses and it shows in each of your photos, do you ever write about them?
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oh, yes! my book title is: The Dragon and the Rose! one of the main character is a blue rose, who write stories and save with them the magic, the fantasy and friendship ;D
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oh, yes! my book title is: The Dragon and the Rose! one of the main character is a blue rose, who write stories and save with them the magic, the fantasy and friendship ;D
Glorious roses and photos !
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Thank you!
some more. All my rose bushes full with small new buds. Hope it is a sign for the beautiful "old women's summer" ;D
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Love that first one Arykana, do you know its name? It is such a lovely colour for autumn.
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1-2 Ebb Tide
3-5 Lexy
6-7 Morning Has Broken
8 Proud Land
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Ebb Tide is quite wonderfull! Havn't seen it over here, but it may well have a different name in Germany. Blue Moon is Sissy over here.
I have some buds coming in the garden, but most roses are well over for me. :'(
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The roses here in the southern hemisphere are all leafing up - it is such a lovely time of the year where everything is new and fresh. Apple green leaves on Quatre Saisons, the new redpink growth on teas and and the burgundy of some of the HTs. We can now cut away dead wood or stems now that they are sprouting on some roses that are hard to tell such as rugosas. How many times have you cut away a section that you thought was dead to find that it was still alive at the end?
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A favourite of ours (and obviously of the previous owner of our place as she planted all the ones we have) is "Lorraine Lee" raised in Australia by Alister Clark. The perfume is wonderful and in warmer places like Melbourne it flowers throughout the winter, but here is only hitting its straps now.
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cheers
fermi
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ARe your photos not showing the coppery colours too - seems too pink.