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General Subjects => General Forum => Topic started by: christian pfalz on June 01, 2010, 11:56:38 AM
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hi, some pics of my bog, from today...
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drosera...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild008-43.jpg?t=1275389704)
sarracena flava
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild002-42.jpg?t=1275389769)
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some more...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild001-40.jpg?t=1275389859)
a bog, that i´ve created last year by a friend...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild039.jpg?t=1275389924)
last week...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild016-10.jpg?t=1275390004)
last year...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/bildereigenergarten006-14.jpg?t=1275390156)
last year with pogonia in bloom...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/bildereigenergarten002-41.jpg?t=1275390283)
i´m searching for sarracenia purpurea var. venosa ssp. burkii
cheers
chris
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...someone from today...
sarracena flava in bloom...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild010-39.jpg?t=1275395623)
another sarracena...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild011-33.jpg?t=1275395658)
cheers
chris
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Chris,
Perhaps because I feel we have enough rain here and the place is wet enough already but I have never attempted a bog garden. However, the range of plants you have shown would tempt me to give it a try. They are excellent and I have a place which would suit them.
Paddy
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paddy, nice to hear this ;)
cheers
chris
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Hi Chris,
very nice bog.If you're still searching for S. purpurea var. venosa ssp. burkii, Best carnivorous plants sells them and they do mail-order, here's the link: http://www.bestcarnivorousplants.net/
Wim
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wim, thank you, fantastic link....
cheers
chris
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A couple of mine I haven't published yet.
Sarracenia leucophylla "Tarnock" flower, I grow it for the pitchers not the flower.
Sarracenia leucophylla "Tarnock" pitcher.
Sarracenia rubra ssp. gulfensis flower.
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fred, your s.rubra ssp. gulfensis looks very good, can you show us the pitchers ?
cheers
chris
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I can't Chris, there are no new ones open yet.
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fred, ok...
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A wonderful selection of plants Chris, all unknown to me. And I see you describe your situation as "hot and relatively dry." ;D
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lesley, the plantfamily is so big, we must grow, what we like, and i like so much ;) too much ;D
cheers
chris
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Fantastic, natural-looking bog Chris. CP's are very interesting plants indeed and blend in well with other plants that grow in boggy conditions. I would cultivate a much bigger bog than my little tractor-tyre bog if sphagnum peat was readily available in this country - alas it is all imported from distant countries at great cost! :(
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Wow Chris! Prairie, bog .. what else
The hard winter ruined my half barrel water feature so maybe I should make it in to a mini bog
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rogan, can you show us some photos ?
mark, to much to show.... ;)
cheers
chris
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hello, a pic from my first bog...twenty or more years old...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/DSC_5330.jpg?t=1275653731)
cheers
chris
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Really, really good Chris, and 20 years old! :o
I have attached two pictures of my bog from several years ago which appeared in a different thread.
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rogan, fantastic work, in an old wheel, nice....
i like your s. purpurea var.venosa ssp. burkii, this is a sarracena i´m searching for...
cheers
chris
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hi, here an saracena in bloom....
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild007-58.jpg?t=1275938035)
cheers
chris
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What is the Pinguicula species Rogan? Is it hardy?
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"i like your s. purpurea var.venosa ssp. burkii, this is a sarracena i´m searching for..."
Is that its name, Chris? I grew it from seed (Chiltern Seeds, UK) many years ago and it has never done very well for me. I still have one plant, and if it should ever flower...
"What is the Pinguicula species Rogan? Is it hardy?"
Pinguicula primuliflora. I can't answer your hardiness question Lesley, as our temperatures never drop lower than -1 or -2'C in winter, however it does come from bogs in the south-eastern USA so should be fairly hardy don't you think? This species propagates from its leaf tips and eventually forms a dense mat with dozens of blooms - a cool little plant in general.
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hi rogan, that´s the name of the pink flowered sarracena....
cheers
chris
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This species propagates from its leaf tips and eventually forms a dense mat with dozens of blooms - a cool little plant in general.
Oh, and there was I going to beg for seed. ;D
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Hey Guys,
Your bog gardens look really good. Could you give some advice on how to make them.
Specific question I could think of just now are:
How much sun is needed?
How do I keep weeds out. My own plantings at high water level places immediately are occupied by very obnoxious grasses and some other unwantred stuff.
Only Lysischiton seems trouble free in that respect.
Cheers
Göte
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göte, full sun is best, i put grasses down through the year, that´s work, but it´s the best 8)
cheers
chris
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"i like your s. purpurea var.venosa ssp. burkii, this is a sarracena i´m searching for..."
Is that its name, Chris? I grew it from seed (Chiltern Seeds, UK) many years ago and it has never done very well for me. I still have one plant, and if it should ever flower...
Rogan, if you're refering to the all green pitchered Sarracenia then it's grand title is :-
Sarracenia purpurea ssp. purpurea f. heterophylla
The flowers would be yellow as it is anthocyanin free.
If it is indeed this then the seed would have originated from my plants.
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hi, pogonia and sarracena...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild019-18.jpg?t=1276111552)
pogonia and woodwardia
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild018-19.jpg?t=1276111604)
cheers
chris
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You're early with those Pogonia ophioglossoides |Chris
Mine are barely beginning to show bud and they're inside.
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fred, this and the last week, we had very hot weather, and some heavy rain...today +30° c and actually rain, storm and thunder...not so good.... >:(tomorrow sunny and hot weather again.... 8)
cheers
chris
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Right! Not being a CP expert I'm totally confused - the pink-flowered S. purpurea (Chris) is Sarracenia purpurea var.venosa ssp. burkii? and the green-leaved S. purpurea (Fred) is Sarracenia purpurea ssp. purpurea f. heterophylla? ??? I never realized that S. pupurea can be so diverse - anyway they all look jolly good in the bog together :)
Lesley, I'll have to pollinate Pinguicula primuliflora to get some seed next year (I wonder if they accept their own pollen?), as I won't be able to send you any leaf-tip plants - it's worth a try.
Pogonia ophioglossoides is obviously very much at home in boggy conditions, its flowers look wonderful in juxtaposition to those of the Sarracenia.
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rogan, definitly burkii...
cheers
chris
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Here's a diagrammatic representation of my d.i.y. tractor tyre bog. The level of the water in the bog can be controlled by simply raising or lowering the end of the siphon tied to the stake. Both ends of the siphon are curved upwards to keep water in the pipe even when the level in the bog drops too low - automatic siphoning is thus ensured the next time the bog fills up.
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Thank you Guys! You have been very helpful
Göte
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and the green-leaved S. purpurea (Fred) is Sarracenia purpurea ssp. purpurea f. heterophylla? ???
Yes Rogan, see photo
Sarracenia purpurea ssp. purpurea f. heterophylla
Sarracenia rubra Long Lid
Sarracenia rubra Long lid pitcher
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Amazing plants 8). Yesterday we visited a place in Blekinge, Sweden where thousends of Sarracenia purpurea grow in a small bog. It was a strange feeling to walk on the surface of spahgnum moss, like walking on a trampoline.
Sarracenia purpurea
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not thousand of plants, only a few in my swamp.....
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gerhard, excellent, this is a bog garden, how i like....
very good...
cheers
chris
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Stunning views in the wild and in gardens!
Your swamp is terrific, Gerhard ... so many orchids there too - lovely! 8) :)
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Fantastic pics, everyone. The Pogonia is such a cutie.
Rogan,
The Tractor Tyre bog is brilliant. Do I read your diagram correctly and it is two tractor tyres tall? The automatic drainage system for overfilling is a stroke of genius. Well worthwhile thinking about for any bog system that one produces, providing it is raised in such a way as to allow that form of drainage. What sort of barrier do you have within it? Is it a solid or soft plastic (i.e pond liner) type arrangement?
Excellent info and pics everyone. Thanks. 8)
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Hello Paul, It's good to hear from you.
I have only used one tractor tyre to construct my bog, so the depth of the CP medium is only about 20 cm (8") or so - probably more than enough for most CP's. My "pond liner" is just a square sheet of poly-tunnel plastic folded up at the corners and fitted snugly against the inside of the tractor tyre. You have to be careful not to puncture it with any sharp objects while tending your plants.
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Rogan,
Thanks. Looks so simple. Now, where can I get a tractor tyre....... and room to actually put it of course. ::)
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Eleorchis japonica is a lovely little asian bog orchid.
It makes a change from the usual Pogonia and Calopogon
It's perfectly hardy for me and grows merrily alongside my carnivorous plants.
The standard type flowered three weeks ago, the alba variety is in flower now.
Eleorchis japonica
Eleorchis japonica
Eleorchis japonica v alba
Eleorchis japonica v alba
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Those are very pretty Fred. I'm surprised that orchids tolerate bog conditions as I've always thought of them as liking plenty air around their roots, even ground orchids such as Pleione.
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Lesley
There are quite a few terrestrial orchids that enjoy bog conditions.
Pogonia ophioglossoides will romp through a bog in no time ,yet, for some strange reason fetches ( in my view) a rediculously high price on ebay.
Calopogon tuberosa is another that loves a bog.
I have a few North American Platanthera too that will not be in flower until late July / August.
This little Platanthera clavellata is sitting in a tray of water in shade.
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Thanks for that Fred. So all I need is a little bog. Then all I'll need are the orchids. ;D
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These are also bog plants.
They grow beside my carnivorous plants in the same lagoons.
And I don't see why I should be the only one to have burned out retina.
Disa watsonii
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Luckily Fred, at this time of the day at this time of the year, the sun is pouring into this room, so I had my sunglasses on already.... great colour!
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Beautiful, Fred. Particularly the Eleorchis. Another genus I've never heard of, or at least don't recall having heard of.
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Platanthera flava, the Pale Green Orchid, is a terrestrial from the eastern half of North America.
It is ideal for bog conditions, it loves it wet.
Not particularly showy but it is quite hardy.
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Hi Fred,
Nice bog orchids.
Are your Disa hardy? I bring my pot grown ones indoors for the winter. I realise that an Edinburgh winter may be harsher than yours.
Graham
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Graham
I have my Disa in an unheated greenhouse.
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Graham
I have my Disa in an unheated greenhouse.
Thanks Fred.
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This is another bog orchid, a native of North America, Platanthera ciliaris the Yellow Fringed Orchid.
It stands quite high at 3ft+ ( 90cm +), with being this tall they do need to have protection from winds.
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Hi Fred,
Thats really nice.
I bought one last year but it didn't make it through the winter. :'(
Probably didn't put it in the right spot.
Graham
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Again a three foot (90cm) plant from North America, Platanthera blephariglottis the White Fringed Orchid.
This carries a very nice scent.
It loves a boggy position.
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I have followed this thread from the beginning but not having a bog didn't consider i could grow any of these lovely plants...however these orchids, especially fragrant orchids, are too much of a temptation and so I thought I could try a bucket bog ::)
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How about a "half-barrel bog", Robin..... half barrels are reasonably easy to come by (and look nice) .... or were a little while ago, in garden centres..... ???
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Good idea, Maggi, but I have so little space! Maybe I need to think again ::)
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A minibog in a tub is a good idea Robin.
The plastic tubs are a lot easier to move around.
Your main problem will be getting the orchids, carnivorous are a lot easier to obtain.
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fred, nice to see the platantheras and others...we have tons of bog orchids here, but 'not showy' would be the best you could say of most ;) Spiranthes is the exception, flashiest of the bunch here, but that's much less common than platantheras; nothing like the tall colourful ones you show!
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Thanks Fred for your idea and I will see what I can achieve and what I can source with orchids locally. There are some very good nurseries around here. Getting to know where a plant likes to be in the garden is a key factor and therefore being portable could help locate that special place :)
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Robin
If you acquire bog orchids, use a tub which does not have pre-drilled drainage.
Drill a series of holes in the side 6 - 7" (15 - 18cm) below the surface of the medium, dependent on the depth of the tub.
That will maintain a fixed reservoir of water and provide the bog conditions.
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hi all,
my new project, lthree little bogs....and under a cherry tree an bog for shadow lovely plants.....
all the plants are endemic here in my area, osmunda, dryopteris, blechnum and grasses...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/moor001.jpg?t=1284064214)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/moor002.jpg?t=1284064240)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/moor003.jpg?t=1284064259)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/moor004.jpg?t=1284064277)
cheers
chris
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Chris, you always make the most utility object part of an artistic design :D I can see now how to follow suit in my little garden where I already have ferns and grasses growing along with other plants under a tree - whereas most are wet enough, as we are on gravel base and high water table near a river, some plants do suffer on hot days, when the tree roots must take up a lot of moisture, and I will replant them in tubs.
Fred I shall follow your method for the tubs and will look out for some bog orchids which would look terrific in this situation I think, thanks to you both :D
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hello robin,
thanks for the flowers 8)
it´s nice to hear such positive answers....
greetings
chris
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A little bog garden in a wooden tub is a very good idea and one I'll go with when I get a new half barrel. These are available from garden centres and have the additional bonus of a glorious aroma, when wet. The barrels are what Bourbon whisky is imported in, from the States. Years ago I had two, propped up at an angle at mid waist/chest level, so that the tops sort of faced me. Filled with mixes, one very gritty and the other strongly humusy, I used them for a number of years as my potting place for my very tiny nursery. Every time it rained, I really looked forward to more potting and was happy to hurry out to get on with it. ;D
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hello, a little update.....
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(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/htte004.jpg?t=1284382005)
best regards
chris
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In my opinion in fall the bog garden reaches a secong spring: Before the leaves of Sarracenia spp. will die the chance into very dark colourations. Here are some picts ( made last Sunday) of my collection.....
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dark tuber forms is the priority of each Sarracenia lover !
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Gerhard, your bog garden looks luminous with plant life in this Autumn - I love the effect and am particularly drawn to the combination of Sarracenia leucophylla MKL9 with Spiranthes cernua ssp odorata growing together in that gorgeous filtered light :)
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Christian where do you find the old tree stumps - those around your bog garden? I have searched the woods around here but never see any
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mark, these trunks are from the wood near my home, theres a lot of them, but many big ones, and heavy ;)
i´ve seen thre ao four ones last week, let´s see if it is warmer ;D
cheers
chris
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What kind of trees are in your wood? My local is mixed deciduous
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mark, mixed forest.....
cheers
chris
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Fred,
Fantastic orchid pics. Those Platantheras are amazing. I've not seen them before.
Christian,
Thanks for showing us your work in progress. It's coming along beautifully.
Gerhard,
Glorious Sarracenias. Some beautiful colours! And that white Spiranthes!! :o :o Gorgeous.
Thanks all.