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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: olegKon on May 13, 2010, 12:39:41 PM
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The thread is of Podophyllum leaves, but I failed to find that of flowers, sorry. So - long awaited flowering of podophyllum versipelle
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The thread was of Podophyllum leaves, but I failed to find that of flowers, sorry. So - long awaited flowering of podophyllum versipelle
Let's have a new thread for the flowers :D
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Lovely plant, but I'm pretty sure that's a P. hexandrum :)
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Lovely plant, but I'm pretty sure that's a P. hexandrum :)
Indeed,
you can see the real P. versipelle flowering here: http://www.greenmilenursery.be/photo_podophyllum.html
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Thank you, Maggi for the new thread. Very soon I'll develop an inferiority complex as still another time what was bought as a rarety appeared to be very nice but quite usual. Wim, thanks for the link. Nice photos. By the way, can P.hexandrum differ in size, shape and colouration of leaves and flowers? The P.hexandrum I have is somewhat different.
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Yes it certainly can vary Oleg. I have it with both plain and heavily mottled leaves, some more toothed than others, and as well as the pristine white of yours there are some lovely pink forms as well. But all are very good I think.
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Thank you, Lesley. That's what I observe. I have a good old patch of it with smaller barely toothed leaves and pink flowers.
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A nameless Podophyllum, but nice anyway.
Poul
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Do you think it could be one of the nice mottled forms of P. hexandrum? and with the added bonus of a light pink flower? :)
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two podophyllums in flower
Podophyllum versipelle this is as much as the flowers open. each flower is covered in two scales which drop of as the petals expand
Podophyllum mairei
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Podophyllum
versipelle pleianthum and P. delavayi
johnw
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Do these come before or with the leaves John?
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Podophyllum peltatum is flowering at the moment
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Thank you, Maggi for the new thread. Very soon I'll develop an inferiority complex as still another time what was bought as a rarety appeared to be very nice but quite usual. Wim, thanks for the link. Nice photos. By the way, can P.hexandrum differ in size, shape and colouration of leaves and flowers? The P.hexandrum I have is somewhat different.
It happens to us all all the time Oleg. It is still a very beautiful one.
Göte
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Do these come before or with the leaves John?
Lesley - The flowers come about a month after shooting. The leaves are fully developed at this point.
johnw
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Wow, John, P. delavayi is outstanding! I tried it twice not successful.
My other Podophyllums/Dysosmas are flowering to.
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Hi John and Toni,
Is it possible to look at the inside of your Podophyllum versipelle flower and tell me if the ovary is large and as long as the 6 stamens around it or if the ovary is small and shorter than the stamens?
Robin
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Do these come before or with the leaves John?
Lesley in reply to your question to John here are two pictures which illustrate the plants with flowers.On the first the flowers are hanging to the right under the leaf and on the second I have held the leaf up to show them.This year each of these plants is just 1 metre high, the delavayi are of course much shorter.
Robin a flower from my two Podophyllum versipelle stripped of petals which I hope answers your question.
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Those look very exciting. ;D
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Robin - Here is the Podophyllum versipelle. At least we hope it is.
My apologies, the previous posting made was not of P. versipelle but P. pleianthum (corrected now) and P. delavayi.
johnw
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John, are the fruits of P. pleianthum white? I remember a photo in an AGS Bulletin of 3 fruits side by side. P. hexandrum was the well-known tomato red, P. peltatum was bright yellow and P. pleianthum was just about pure white. They made a super trio and I always wanted pleianthum since first seeing them.
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John, are the fruits of P. pleianthum white? I remember a photo in an AGS Bulletin of 3 fruits side by side. P. was the well-known tomato red, P. peltatum was bright yellow and P. pleianthum was just about pure white. They made a super trio and I always wanted pleianthum since first seeing them.
Lesley - Here is a shot of the pleianthum (?) fruit from last year. I spoke to Steve Hootman from the Rhododendron Species Foundation when in Germany about this plant; they still haven't made a positive id. I guess you could say the green has a whitish overlay.
johnw
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When I have a spare hour or two (raucous laughter here) I'll try and find the issue with the photograph. Even if I can't post the photo as it will be AGS copyright, I could give the reference. Even so, your picture is very interesting. The fruits look quite edible, don't you think? Some kind of passion fruit or feijoa maybe. :D
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I remember a photo in an AGS Bulletin of 3 fruits side by side. P. hexandrum was the well-known tomato red, P. peltatum was bright yellow and P. pleianthum was just about pure white. They made a super trio and I always wanted pleianthum since first seeing them.
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When I have a spare hour or two (raucous laughter here) I'll try and find the issue with the photograph. Even if I can't post the photo as it will be AGS copyright, I could give the reference.
The article Lesley refers to with the photo of the podophyllum fruits was by pharmacist Belma Konuklugil and botanist Julian Shaw in the AGS Bulletin Volume 64 of September 1996 (pages 334 to 340) and was entitled "Alpines and Medicines: A look at Podophyllum and Linum"
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Aren't you just brilliant Maggi. At the time I thought to myself that "Maggi will find this for me before I have to put myself out too much." ;D
You see what I mean about a pure white fruit. It must be beautiful in the (living) flesh.
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Podophyllum 'Spotty Dotty' flowering 28th May with Corydalis Pere David.
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Aren't you just brilliant Maggi. At the time I thought to myself that "Maggi will find this for me before I have to put myself out too much." ;D
You see what I mean about a pure white fruit. It must be beautiful in the (living) flesh.
That white fruit certainly is lovely but not my experience.Here are some ripe fruits of pleianthum and then cut open to show the seed. They vary between green to greenish yellow when ripe and have a nice bloom on them.The seeds have germinated readily and in any case the fruit was definitely ripe as it had fallen of the plants I would love to find one with white fruits and maybe Robin can say if he has had any.
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Podophyllum 'Spotty Dotty' flowering 28th May with Corydalis Pere David.
Hi, Kim,
good to have you join us. I don't think my 'Spotty Dotty' is going to flower yet, though her leaves are nice and she's growing well!
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Hi all, A few shots from some of my plants. Getting this close is not always pleasant, P. pleianthum is the most pungent of the lot. Philip
Podophyllum auranticaule1
Podophyllum auranticaule flower
Podophyllum delavayi
Podophyllum delavayi flower1
Podophyllum delavayi flower2
Podophyllum delavayi flower3
Podophyllum delavayi flower4
Podophyllum delavayi pink
Podophyllum hexandrum
Podophyllum pleianthum flower
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And 2 more. Sorry I forgot to tag names in the first posting maggy.
Podophyllum plieanthum
Podophyllum delavayi
Podophyllum auranticaule
Podophyllum hexandrum
Podophyllum Spotty Dotty
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These are quite magnificent Philip but can you downsize them so that they can be viewed across the page without scrolling and only a bit visisible at a time?
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These are quite magnificent Philip but can you downsize them so that they can be viewed across the page without scrolling and only a bit visisible at a time?
We generally suggest a pic size of around 760 x 500 pixels to maximise viewing ease on the forum but if bigger photos are loaded there is a way to see the whole picture... albeit one which will reduce the text size to miniscule ::) :-X
If you have a scroll wheel on your mouse......
Hold down the Ctrl key/button (likely to be found bottom let of your keypad ) and scroll the wheel towards you... the picture will reduce. reverse the action to retrun to "normal" size.
If you do not have a scroll wheel on your mouse......
Hold down the Ctrl button and repeatedly press the minus key (it produces - and _ and is to the right of the 0 key)
and then Ctrl and the plus key (+=) to return.
Still a pfaff but easier than getting to the foot of the page and scrolling for these large pix.
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I'll try those and see what happens.
Thanks Maggi.
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Philip - Have your Podophyllum difformes re-appeared yet?
johnw
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My two plants which I had identified as Podophyllum mairei both have pale pink almost straw coloured flowers as seen in the first photograph.
Now a further plant has produced dark red flowers,second photgraph, which fit the description of mairei.This ties in with Stearn in 'The Genus Epimedium' page 284 apart from the difference in stature,mine being a metre tall. I think he only had one plant to work on.
My delavayi have produced flowers of all sorts of shapes and size but are uniformly red. I grow difforme with difficulty and it has not flowered yet
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Tony - Can we see the leaves of your maireis? Interesting outcome with the flowers.
It would seem everyone has a problem with difforme. Philip MacD says someone in Vancouver has it spreading like mad in their garden.
johnw
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John here are the leaves taken from above.
Those on the red flowered plant are 70 cms across and the plant is 1 metre high and on the pink which is growing in a drier site 60 cms across and it is shorter at 70cms
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John here are the leaves taken from above.
Those on the red flowered plant are 70 cms across and the plant is 1 metre high and on the pink which is growing in a drier site 60 cms across and it is shorter at 70cms
Lovely leaves Tony. Very much like one expect of versipelle too don't you think?
johnw
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John here are the leaves taken from above.
Those on the red flowered plant are 70 cms across and the plant is 1 metre high and on the pink which is growing in a drier site 60 cms across and it is shorter at 70cms
Lovely leaves Tony. Very much like one expect of versipelle too don't you think?
johnw
John it is impossible to tell them apart until they flower
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These are quite magnificent Philip but can you downsize them so that they can be viewed across the page without scrolling and only a bit visisible at a time?
We generally suggest a pic size of around 760 x 500 pixels to maximise viewing ease on the forum but if bigger photos are loaded there is a way to see the whole picture... albeit one which will reduce the text size to miniscule ::) :-X
If you have a scroll wheel on your mouse......
Hold down the Ctrl key/button (likely to be found bottom let of your keypad ) and scroll the wheel towards you... the picture will reduce. reverse the action to retrun to "normal" size.
If you do not have a scroll wheel on your mouse......
Hold down the Ctrl button and repeatedly press the minus key (it produces - and _ and is to the right of the 0 key)
and then Ctrl and the plus key (+=) to return.
Still a pfaff but easier than getting to the foot of the page and scrolling for these large pix.
I am reporting on some "interesting results" trying these computer screen size manipulations... different results for Internet Explorer 8.x and Firefox 3.x web browsers. These key-sequences are useful to know about, as a workaround to large photos on screen that require scrolling, but be aware of the caveats. It is still best that forumists use the SRGC image sizing guidelines.
1. When resizing using either method to see the entire overly large photo, your browser will keep this "zoom level" permanently, even if closing and then restarting the browser. The text does indeed get very small; the smaller text-size captions under the photos become too small to read. And in general, the reduced size text gets light and fuzzy looking. It will be necessary to use the reverse Ctrl button sequence, to get back to your original zoom level. It is not immediately apparent what the "original" zoom level was if one doesn't pay attention to how many clicks were used to enlarge or zoom in the first place, particularly true if one uses the scroll wheel option where you really can't count clicks. I don't know if there is a "home" of "back to original" zoom level, one just has to use the Ctrl key sequences to get back to "what looks right".
2. Different browsers work differently. In Firefox 3.x, resizing the screen zoom level for the SRGC Forum worked to just apply that change to the SRGC Forum destination. If I click on the NARGS Forum, or any other destination, the zoom level is unaffected. In Internet Explorer 8.x, resizing the screen zoom level for the SRGC Forum had the undesirable effect of resizing the zoom level on all "tabs" or destinations; not good. There might be a setting for controlling how separate "tabs" in Internet Explorer behave, but this appears to be the "default" behavior.
So, if you use these Ctrl key sequences, be careful... count the number of clicks used to change the display size to be able to reverse the setting afterward, or make a mental note of how the SRCG Forum looks at its original size, so that you can get back to that size after viewing the large images. If you use different web browsers, or even different versions of the two browsers I mention, who knows what the effects might be.
By the way Maggi, I had no idea about what "pfaff" meant. It appears to be British slang, and an alternate spelling for "faff". ??? ::)
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pfaff
(British, slang) Alternative spelling of faff.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/faff
perhaps more universally used:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/kludge
Edit by maggi
Learning new words all the time, as well as all the other gems offered in these pages, eh?!! Wink
I hope that the comments from myself and McMark are useful
however.....
the main instruction remains, please keep photos to a maximum of 760 pixels wide for the forum!!
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Stunning pictures everyone. Aren't Podophyllum just amazing!!
Thanks for the hint re the ctrl+scrolling to increase and decrease the size, although very difficult to work out exactly what size it was to start with! I still don't think I have the size right, but can't find a way to get it back to normal? ::) Any ideas? ???
Thanks for the pics everyone. A joy to view on returning to the forums after a lengthy absence. ;D ;D
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To check whether you've returned the page to the correct size- postion the page at the foot of a post...... if you can see the whole text across the page, then you're about right!
that is :
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Maggi,
Thanks. I think it is about right. Thanks for the info.
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podophyllum difforme ..1st time flowering..
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podophyllum difforme ..1st time flowering..
Impressive. Do tell us how to grow difforme successfully. This species unlike the others has presented problems for many of us. It comes up then quickly collapses, sometimes it returns again as if nothing happened. Then the story is repeated. Your plants(s) look so healthy!
Can you also tell us how cold hardy it might be? Stearn's book warns it has a tendency to emerge in the late autumn. Does it with you?
johnw :P
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also can we see a picture of the leaves?
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Podophyllums are certainly fascinating, I have just had another seed germinate...is it usual so late in the year?
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Podophyllums are certainly fascinating, I have just had another seed germinate...is it usual so late in the year?
Brian - Every weekend I have been moving Podos into single deep pots from their communal pots. I record on the label the number of seeds originally planted. The germination at first glance appeared to be around 60-70%. Most seeds sprouted 2.5 months ago. However when re-potting I found only a few rotten seeds, the others were either still firm or at various stages of sprouting. That was a big surprise and meant that I still had to replant the communal pot. Don't give up on the non-sprouters and by the way not a single plsnt collapsed in the bare-rooting / re-potting process.
The aurantiocaule ssp. aurantiocaule sprouted but still have not sent the cotyledons above ground though the stems are above ground - hard to tell which end is which.
johnw
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Podophyllums are certainly fascinating, I have just had another seed germinate...is it usual so late in the year?
Just be grateful Brian. :D
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I've just had seed of P. pleianthemum germinate recently (I checked the pot yesterday and found a half dozen with radicals). Having been reminded just how nice they are by this topic, I am even more pleased. ;D
Now wait a half dozen years and I might have flowers to show. ::)
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Brian - I might add that even seedlings which sprouted yet the cotyledons got snagged in the seed coat and subsequently rotted off at the top but still with good stem are quite active underground and some ready to send up a true leaf. Lesson - discard nothing.
johnw
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Thanks for the clarification folks, I had said to John privately that I was concerned earlier in the year as everyone was reporting their seeds sprouting and nothing was happening with mine. I guess it is just localised conditions....phew ;)
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I've just had seed of P. pleianthemum germinate recently (I checked the pot yesterday and found a half dozen with radicals). Having been reminded just how nice they are by this topic, I am even more pleased. ;D
Now wait a half dozen years and I might have flowers to show. ::)
Paul if you plant them in a rich moist soil they can flower in their third year but perhaps more chance in my cool moist climate.
This year because I had a lot germinate I planted them straight outside in a nursery bed and many of them have produced their first leaf.
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Tony,
No space! ::) Still nice to know potentially only 3 years. ;D
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Hi
My Podophylum delavayi flowering now.
I have posted a picture of the leaves in the Podophylum leaves thread
Graham
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Graham nice leaves in the other thread.
I was looking at my delavayi flowers earlier and see that nearly all the anthers and some of the stigmas have been eaten by slugs. Do you find this a problem ?
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Graham nice leaves in the other thread.
I was looking at my delavayi flowers earlier and see that nearly all the anthers and some of the stigmas have been eaten by slugs. Do you find this a problem ?
Hi Tony,
I find that pellets do a good job. They don't get all the blighters but do keep them to a minimum. So I don't have the problem you have.
Graham
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My 'Spotty Dotty' (who named the poor thing?) has a nice cluster of flowers, well red by now but not quite open yet.
What I like about the seedlings of several species is that they can be potted individually within weeks of germinating and so grow on much quicker than if all bunched together in a smaller pot.
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Well 'Spotty Dotty' is in flower at last but even now may be going over as we've had several very hot (33C the hottest) and very windy (gusts to 130kph) days when anything that likes the cool, has suffered. I've put the pot out in the sun to take the pics and they give SOME idea but not the brilliant, deep, glowing red that is the reality. I think it is GORGEOUS! Yesterday the flowers were out wider, like an extended hand but the weather was impossible for photographs.
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I have a mental picture of you scrabbling on the ground trying to get these photos, Lesley! :D
I think you've captured the flowers... and the hairy stems, rather well. It really is a super plant, no wonder you were delighted to be given it.
The petals have a great texture, sort of waxy silk, which shows quite well in the photos. I think your flwoers are longer and more elegant than the ones I have. Hard to remember now.... but I think the flowers on mine were stumpier. Yours almost look like Meconopsis punicea flowers, only made of a heavier textured fabric! I find these podos fascinating too.
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When I had 2 previous plants of SD, they did have the brown spotting but perhaps this one doesn't because it and the Ks are all in my shade house with no sun at all. I have been reading with interest, Graham Rice's comments about the two plants, in his blog "The Transatlantic Gardener." It seems it's not difficult to mix the two at least under some conditions. There is a superb patch of SD in the Dunedin Botanic Gardens so I'll go there this week and have a look at it, compared with mine. I lost my previous SDs because of too much heat and dry over a couple of years so have resorted to pots in full shade for several choice plants now.
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Hmmm, yes, not very spotty at the moment... but you can see in the sun where the spots "should" be... I think it will be the shade that is the problem.
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Lesley, a beautiful Podophyllum! I am very fond of Podophyllums and they do very well here - if the slugs let them alone. Unfortunately the spring growth is irresistible for the pest >:(
P. aurantiocaule has withstood the culprits so far - here from May 2011
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I hate to have to tell you this Trond, but I have no slugs or snails! Really! It makes life and gardening a lot easier.
Those are very lovely flowers on P. aurantiocaule, and I like the slight furriness on the young leaves.
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Lesley
Is this a New Zealand thing, or are you just incredibly lucky.
Here the slugs and snails always manage to eat the finest flower - before you can photograph it.
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Lesley
Is this a New Zealand thing, or are you just incredibly lucky.
Yes, I too do wonder :o
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I'm just incredibly lucky. ;D ;D ;D I had slugs and snails in previous gardens but for some reason there are none where I am now. Hokonui Alpines, the nursery I quite frequently mention, has no snails either tho' I'm not sure about slugs. In my previous garden I had a lot of little brown Australian tree frogs and they I think, kept any slugs under control because I had no slugs or snails there either. My present garden is only about 4kms from that one. I had the frogs here too for a number of years but they seem to have gone now tho' I hear one occasionally on a spring night. Sometimes if I picked up a tray of plants from where it had been sitting on the ground for a few weeks, there could be a dozen or more of the little frogs sitting there. They ranged from just a cm long to about 5cms for the really big ones.
About 2 years ago Teddy was playing with something and I realized ir was a snail, quite a large one, and I took it from him and killed it but he went right back under the wire fence to next door where a house was being built. The new people had brought some large pots of plants from the house they were moving from in town and stacked them along our fence line for later planting out. Teddy helped himself to another snail from one of the pots which he'd knocked over. I went through the lot and removed about a dozen snails and no more have been seen here since so I must have got the lot.
I am very careful with any plant I buy or am given, to search it carefully for slugs, snails or their eggs and so far, have been successful in keeping them out of my garden. I don't think we have as many species in NZ as you do in the north. I remember walking to a pub one evening in the Lake District and seeing black slugs 6" long going across the road. We have nothing like that. Our native snails, which I've never seen, are protected. It must make people hate me when I say I have no slugs or snails. ;D
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"It must make people hate me when I say I have no slugs or snails."
Lesley, not at all but I am very envious!
Although I try to keep the population of the bigger slugs down the small ones are as bad as the big ones. Also snails are problematic. They do a lot of mischief in pots.
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We have both snails and slugs, but they don't seem to be too problematic (touch wood). There's a row of Phormium at the edge of the footpath bordering the Greenmount Reserve. When it rains the footpath is covered in snails, very like Helix aspersa, at night. Great for the blue-tongued skink. :P The song thrushes find them in the garden too, as I find them smashed up on the patio.