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General Subjects => Travel / Places to Visit => Topic started by: Thomas Huber on April 12, 2010, 10:34:37 AM
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ATTENTION!
Every crocus in this thread that I named Crocus etruscus is now described as Crocus neglectus.
More information here: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12310.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12310.0)
After two hard weeks without the forum I'm back from a marvellous trip to Italy and Croatia with Chris.
Weather wasn't very fortunate with us, it rained every day and the good sights were often hidden behind dark clouds.
First day was the worst of all, but to brighten up our day we had our sunshine Madi with us ;D
Many thanks to Madi, Bruno and Toto for giving us a bed and food.
Just a few bad photos due to the bad weather, Corydalis probably cava and Chris between the last Galanthus of the season.
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In the next two days we explored the mountain ranges North of Genova. Finally we saw the sun, but not for long
and the clouds came back. Despite the weather changes we found a lot of Crocus etruscus in flower.
Here some habitat photos.
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After the sun came out we were happy that our planned hike on Monte Tobbio will bring some good sights.
But then we found the access road closed due to rocks falling onto the street. No chance to reach the
starting point of the hike - so we could just look back to the Tobbio with desire :-[
Later the clouds came back to hide the sun - and then disappeared again. Crazy weather :'(
We were very surprised about the variability of Crocus etruscus in this area.
Also albino forms were very frequently. Here some close-ups:
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Thomas, you certainly made the most of your crazy weather and divertions to bring to the Forum such fantastic photos of Crocus etruscus en masse and close up....its a beautiful shaped crocus and the variations are intriguing - thanks to you and Chris 8)
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Thanks Robin - great you like the photos.
In some places Crocus etruscus surprised us with growing in a very wet habitat.
It was the melting snow that watered the meadows this way.
And some more close-ups of the best forms we found.
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We were not expecting plants, but lots of Italian culture on our next destination - Genova.
Just a few impressions from the harbour, Chris and his namesake's (Chris Columbus) ship 'Santa Maria'
and a look back to the mountains, where the clouds (once again!) arrived.
The journey went further to the Cinque Terre. Again just a few photos in the best light we had :-\
First one shows Corniglia on top of the rock and Vernazza in the corner on the left, viewed from
Monterosso al Mare. Second one shows Manarola and the famous teraces of the Cinque Terre.
We didn't see the sun until we arrived in Motovun - a nice city-on-top-of-the-hill in Croatia.
In this area we found lots of beautiful Crocus vernus forms
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I'm not sure what I can hold of this photo: Looks like 3 vernus forms growing together,
vernus/exiguus, albiflorus and napolitanus. But perhaps the middle sized flower is just a hybrid?
Again we found some very showy forms.
Last photo shows Trieste in Italy, next headland is Slovenia and in the background Croatia - and the sun ;D
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Thomas,
in spite of the rainy weather it seems it was a very successful trip. I'm amazed by the variabiltiy of C. etruscus. There are realy nice forms worth to cultivate and also C. vernus ssp. habitat and forms are mouthwatering... 8) ;D
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Thomas,
It seems a succesfull trip you have made and very nice forms of C. etruscus! The weather in this time of the year in Turkey also same! You need be too very luky to see sun. On my trip of this year also was always rainy and foggy just one or two days suny.
It is very interesting to see together vernus and albiflorus!
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Ibrahim, in the last years I had always good weather, just one or two rainy/foggy days. This year it was just the opposite.
I always thought Crocus etruscus is a 'boring' species - but now I know it better
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Seems you've had another great father/son Hubi Tour Thomas ! :D :D
Thanks for showing that these rather "common" species can have such intrigueing variation ! :D
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Thomas, glad you had such a productive trip in spite of the weather. Such good forms of Crocus etruscus, thank you for sharing the photos.
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Thanks Luc and Melvyn - great also you enjoyed my trip.
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With my wife Christine of 18., 3-21-2010 in Slovenien and Croatia on Crocusschau, was. In the valley of the Save much Galanthus nivale and the very variable Crocus exiguus (Cr.vittatus).
Karl
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We drove this to the Biocovo mountains deeply snow-coveredly was in the north only next day. Crocus reticulatus, Crocus dalmaticus, Crocus albiflorus, Crocus biflorus ssp.veldenii and much Colchicum hungaricum flourished south sided. Also hybrids were under this.
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Crocus dalmaticus and Crocus biflorus ssp.veldenii in the Biocovo mountains.
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There is much snow in the Velebit mountains still. In deep situations Crocus malyi.
Karl
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Excuse me, at the pictures it must be called Crocus malyi, not Cr.adami.
Karl
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Hi Karl!
Great photos of a great trip - must try to go further South like you on one of my future trips.
Thanks for posting!!
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Thomas and Karl!
Thank you for lovely pictures!
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My pleasure, Olga.
I just downloaded the photos from Chris' camera and was surprised about the quality of his photos.
- salamandra salamandra
- giant snowdrop
- more good etruscus forms
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Hey, Thomas.... the son is doing really well... the father must watch out, eh? ;D
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Thomas
May I ask you here to ID Crocus I met n Italy?
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It grows at the way to Matterhorn. What species could it be?
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When have you been to Italy - I remember you told me you will probably never be there :o
Your crocus is probably Crocus vernus ssp albiflorus - 95% sure. To be 100% sure I need a look into the flower.
albiflorus has the style shorter than the anthers, while ssp vernus - the other possible species - has the
style longer than the anthers.
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When have you been to Italy - I remember you told me you will probably never be there :o
We was there at the end of March. We visited our friends at Torino. Now I think I have to go to Italy more often. :D I like it very much!
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Your crocus is probably Crocus vernus ssp albiflorus - 95% sure. To be 100% sure I need a look into the flower.
albiflorus has the style shorter than the anthers, while ssp vernus - the other possible species - has the
style longer than the anthers.
Thank you very much! I think so to. I could look into flower only next spring.
Why some crocuses are violet?
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....... Now I think I have to go to Italy more often. :D I like it very much!
That's exactly what I promised you.. 8) ;D
Can't tell you why in albiflorus the white ones are more frequently than the blue ones, sorry.
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Thomas, it really looks like you enjoyed your trip to Italy hunting for Crocus!
Alberto