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Title: New Arisaema species
Post by: WimB on March 26, 2010, 04:45:12 PM
For those who are interested: a new Arisaema species has been described by Jian-Tao Yin and Guy Gusman, called Arisaema linearifolium. You can find the publication here: http://www.sekj.org/AnnBot.html. It's under Vol. 47 N° 1, the last document.
And you can find a colour picture here: http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php?topic=60.0
Title: Re: New Arisaema species
Post by: Carlo on March 26, 2010, 04:58:19 PM
Thanks for the note, Wim. What GREAT foliage!
Title: Re: New Arisaema species
Post by: WimB on March 26, 2010, 05:10:38 PM
Thanks for the note, Wim. What GREAT foliage!

Yes,

I thought it was nice too  ;D
Title: Re: New Arisaema species
Post by: Maggi Young on March 26, 2010, 05:18:40 PM
Very smart plant...... I must send the link to my Arisaema loving friend, Anne.



By the way, Jozef, Luc and Wim......
Ik heb gelezen je woorden, je ondeugende mannen ......  ::)
Title: Re: New Arisaema species
Post by: WimB on March 26, 2010, 05:24:05 PM
Very smart plant...... I must send the link to my Arisaema loving friend, Anne.



By the way, Jozef, Luc and Wim......
Ik heb gelezen je woorden, je ondeugende mannen ......  ::)

 ;D :-[ ;D

I only gave you a hint on how you could discipline    ;D

And you know we love you  :-*  ;D
Title: Re: New Arisaema species
Post by: Diane Clement on March 26, 2010, 05:55:46 PM
Fantastic plant.

Love the comment from Josef Lemmens "SRGC forum??? Wat is dat?

How come they've got animated smileys for  ;D
Title: Re: New Arisaema species
Post by: Gail on March 26, 2010, 06:06:11 PM
By the way, Jozef, Luc and Wim......
Ik heb gelezen je woorden, je ondeugende mannen ......  ::)

So Maggi, are you fluent in 14 languages or just a whizz with the google translate?
Title: Re: New Arisaema species
Post by: Maggi Young on March 26, 2010, 06:08:14 PM
By the way, Jozef, Luc and Wim......
Ik heb gelezen je woorden, je ondeugende mannen ......  ::)

So Maggi, are you fluent in 14 languages or just a whizz with the google translate?
Only fluent in eight or nine, Gail, I need google for the rest!  ::) ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: New Arisaema species
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 28, 2010, 05:53:21 AM
A great plant all right! ;Why would Josef ask "Wat is dat?" He has been on the Forum before. Not often maybe, but certainly.
Title: Re: New Arisaema species
Post by: WimB on March 28, 2010, 08:19:20 AM
A great plant all right! ;Why would Josef ask "Wat is dat?" He has been on the Forum before. Not often maybe, but certainly.

I think
a) he was pulling my leg or
b) sometimes it's not easy to remember what a certain abbreviation stands for...
Title: Re: New Arisaema species
Post by: TheOnionMan on March 28, 2010, 03:38:02 PM
Wim, good link and distinctive new Arisaema species... this is another group I can lose myself in... haven't even started to post on these.

By the way, I like the much more animated emoticons on the VRV forum.

On your first link: http://www.sekj.org/AnnBot.html there is tons of other choice goodies there, like the fabulous new Corydalis anthocrene... wow!  One could spend hours looking at all these new plant discoveries.
Title: Re: New Arisaema species
Post by: WimB on November 23, 2010, 07:48:35 PM
In the new Flora of  China this "new species" is now a synonym of Arisaema erubescens. Arisaema erubescens in the FoC should be A. consanguineum...in other words a taxonomic mess.
Title: Re: New Arisaema species
Post by: Diane Whitehead on November 23, 2010, 08:22:41 PM
The one I am interested in is the one called Arisaema sp 'Gaoligong'.
There is a photo of it in The Genus Arisaema by the Gusmans.

The bottom part of the spathe is striped red and white, and the upper
part (the spathe limb) is bright yellow.

Has that one been named yet? or got itself into cultivation somewhere
even if still unnamed?
Title: Re: New Arisaema species
Post by: Pascal B on November 23, 2010, 09:58:13 PM
The one I am interested in is the one called Arisaema sp 'Gaoligong'.
There is a photo of it in The Genus Arisaema by the Gusmans.

The bottom part of the spathe is striped red and white, and the upper
part (the spathe limb) is bright yellow.

Has that one been named yet? or got itself into cultivation somewhere
even if still unnamed?

Diane, that is Arisaema muratae, named after the Japanese taxonomist Jin Murata. It was introduced through imports from Chen Yi, it is still not very common in cultivation but for instance Plant Delights Nursery offer it.
Title: Re: New Arisaema species
Post by: Diane Whitehead on November 23, 2010, 11:56:12 PM
Great!  thank you for the information.

The flower on the Plant Delights website is much paler than the one in the
book -  both the red stripes and the bright yellow are drastically toned
down.

Is that a result of the cameras used, the book printing, the webpage?  Which
picture is truest?
Title: Re: New Arisaema species
Post by: Rogan on November 24, 2010, 09:46:34 AM
"Only fluent in eight or nine, Gail..."

Maggi, ons is almal baie lief vir jou!  :-*
Title: Re: New Arisaema species
Post by: Pascal B on November 24, 2010, 10:08:15 AM
Great!  thank you for the information.

The flower on the Plant Delights website is much paler than the one in the
book -  both the red stripes and the bright yellow are drastically toned
down.

Is that a result of the cameras used, the book printing, the webpage?  Which
picture is truest?

Probably the one on the PDN site. The plants I am familiar with of this species have a slightly greenish-yellow spathe and don't come close to the intensity of the colors in the book. Several pictures in the book by the Gusmans are slightly on the reddish side which likely is the result of a combination of using a flash and a different colorprofile (Apple profiles usually show up too red on Wintel PC's and need post-processing before going into print). Costatum and utile for instance are a bit too red, at least in the first edition, I don't have the second edition.

It nevertheless is a showy species with broad shiny leaflets and slightly depressed veins and can get big. It has short rhizomatous tubers instead of the rounded globose tubers of most Sinarisaema. It also is poorly offsetting but as far as I know the PDN plants are tissue cultured so virus free.

Attached a picture of one of my plants. Not the best picture I have to admit but it shows that the lines in the spathe tube do vary. The spadix appendix can be either yellow or purple but I wouldn't call this species a clear yellow species, very few Arisaema are.
Title: Re: New Arisaema species
Post by: Paul T on November 24, 2010, 10:37:24 AM
"Only fluent in eight or nine, Gail..."

Maggi, ons is almal baie lief vir jou!  :-*

Isthey isey ettinggey idiculousrey!!  ;D ;D

Sorry, couldn't help myself.  I can speak English (or Australian at least) and that is it pretty much.  8 or 9 languages would be absolutely amazing!!  :o :o
Title: Re: New Arisaema species
Post by: Maggi Young on November 24, 2010, 10:43:18 AM
"Only fluent in eight or nine, Gail..."

Maggi, ons is almal baie lief vir jou!  :-*

Thanks, Rogan.....I'm pleased my humour also translates to Afrikaans! ;D ;D

Quote
8 or 9 languages would be absolutely amazing


Paul, I do know people who are fluent in 7 or eight languages.....  sadly, I'm not one of them.... I was kidding!
Title: Re: New Arisaema species
Post by: Paul T on November 24, 2010, 10:57:39 AM
For those of us mere mortals who are less internationally literate :o.... is there a means of converting foreign languages to English (or whichever language we are wanting to read it in)?

And back to the actual subject of this topic (sorry)...

That's an interesting colour to the flower, Pascal.  Strong yellow, by the looks of it.
Title: Re: New Arisaema species
Post by: Maggi Young on November 24, 2010, 11:03:56 AM
For those of us mere mortals who are less internationally literate :o.... is there a means of converting foreign languages to English (or whichever language we are wanting to read it in)?

And back to the actual subject of this topic (sorry)...

That's an interesting colour to the flower, Pascal.  Strong yellow, by the looks of it.

 Google Translate will give you  stab at many languages, Paul... it helps if you have a little knowledge to weed out the wheat from the chaff.... it can be ridiculous at times! Sonme use Babelfish... there are others... all help when working through references to Arisaemas.... and other plants, in languages other than our own.  ;)
Title: Re: New Arisaema species
Post by: Paul T on November 24, 2010, 11:08:28 AM
Maggi,

It's the various asides that we get here on the forum that I am more intrigued by.  They could be saying ANYTHING!!  :o  I just have to know. ;)
Title: Re: New Arisaema species
Post by: Maggi Young on November 24, 2010, 11:21:56 AM
Maggi,

It's the various asides that we get here on the forum that I am more intrigued by.  They could be saying ANYTHING!!  :o  I just have to know. ;)

  ;D ;D It's that natural curiosity about everything that makes us gardeners, isn't it ?  ::) ;)
Title: Re: New Arisaema species
Post by: Pascal B on November 24, 2010, 06:13:45 PM

That's an interesting colour to the flower, Pascal.  Strong yellow, by the looks of it.

Conveying the true color of a flower is always difficult Paul. Each PC monitor shows colors differently and if for instance people don't adjust the white balance enough when they flash the colors don't necessarily show well. Or the camera used has a different white balance setting. Or pictures are taken in sun or in shade etc.... My picture was taken with poor light but take it from me, it is greenish-yellow. Yes, predominantly yellow but with a green tinge.

There are many websites on alpines that look stunning with very vibrant colors but with some I have the feeling they have been too enthusiatic with the contrast and saturation during editing when I know the plants in question and know what they actually look like in real life. Definitely not easy to portray the true colors, either on the internet or in print.
Title: Re: New Arisaema species
Post by: Paul T on November 24, 2010, 09:51:54 PM
Pacal,

Sounds like my monitor is showing it pretty accurately then.... I can clearly see the green.  Still very much into the yellow shades though, and so much better than that awful muddy little flavum ssp abbreviatum that I have/have had here (pointless thing, which I don't think I actually grow any more, although I realise there are apparently MUCH better forms).  Yours looks great.
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