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Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: luis on March 07, 2010, 04:47:38 PM
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My first cyp of the year is japonicum... ;D
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Very nice, congratulations.
Why don't you tell us in your signature or elsewhere where you live. Then we can apply an understanding of your local conditions to the appreciation of your plants.
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Thank's! I live in central Portugal, in Batalha ( near Fátima). :)
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Very interesting, that explains your early start.
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;). Yes, the warm temp meke them pop up earlier. It seems not many people like it in this blog.
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;). Yes, the warm temp meke them pop up earlier. It seems not many people like it in this blog.
I think many people like it Luis - we are all just stunned into silence. A really beautiful plant and I am very envious!
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Astonishing to see such a lovely cypripedium looking positively tropical for you Luis in Portugal when there is still snow outside here in the Alps!!!! Please keep posting your lovely flowers :)
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:-*. Thank you to all... i'm more happy now!
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Hi Luis, thanks for showing your cypipedium, mine haven't even broke through the soil yet and I hope they will after the cold winter that they have had they might not. Any more please.
Angie :)
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Hello Luis,
Good to see someone's Cypripediums are moving already, my most advanced plant is currently 5mm above soil level. :-\
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Yes, but don´t worry because the day temp here go arround 16 to 18 C, and very very sunny ;). They grow more rappidly in this conditions.
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Luis are You able to have it in the ground all year?
I thought it needed a little colder winter but this winter was cold in Portugal so maybe it is enough?
Do You protect it from the summer heat or how do You do? Do they go dormant in august or do they continue to be green until later?
Very interesting to see Cypripedium survive and thrive in Portugal.
Well done
Joakim
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Hi joakim, here the winther is cold enouf... but the summer is more difficult... i think i have to cover it with pine needles or so... :-\. It's the first time i try it! Anny sugestions? ;)
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Luis,
I would think that your challenge would be to keep the plant actively growing throughout the season.
Up here in Newcastle, I keep my (potted) cypripediums cool and moist in summer with automatic irrigation (sprinkler) in the morning for 10 minutes, sometimes also in the late afternoon on hot days. They also only recieve direct sunlight for about an hour or so each day.
Your plants should stay cooler in the ground, but looking at your location, you may have to carry out supplementary watering to prevent the plants dying down too early in the season, which would eventually weaken them, and shade during the hottest part of the day would be desirable.
Of course C. japonicum is one of the cypripediums that I have kiiled.....
Peter
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Luis, you have C. formosanum and not C. japonicum, darker and with a different shape of the flower.
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I wondered about that, but having killed C. japonicum before it had a chance to flower. I couldn't remember what it was meant to look like. The good news is that C. formosanum is much easier to grow, it's where I started my Cypripedium interest, which empties my wallet at regular intervals. :-\
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Yes, i noticed that it is a formosanum. I like it any way ;D. I hope i can handle this fight of get them alive! I will tell if i've success. :-\
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Luis I know of a grower in Japan that uses double pots of clay with the outer pot in water and uses the evaporation from that to cool the plant. He has warmer than Portugal and he grows other types as well. Maybe the long growing time will be enough to build next years growth before they go dormant. If the plant is planted so that it does not get any sun this helps as well or at least no sun during summer.
I have not tried cyps in Portugal but would go for Ulla Silkens since I think that C reginae gets quite warm where it is growning. That one needs more winter cold and would probably need to be in fridge to get its winter rest. This winter was a cold winter so next winter might not be cold enough for your jap/form. If the summer is as mild as it was last year I think it will be ok. Often these plants are started to early and the winter comes back with frost and that gives problem. This is normally not a problem in Your part of Portugal. 8)
We are many that follow Your tests with great interest. ;D :o
Best of Luck
Joakim
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Thank you very much for all the recomendations :D. By the way more 5 cyps are comming up in my cyp bed... ;D
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Checked my Cypripedium parviflorum v. pubescens, and they are ahead of normal, already showing growth buds. The first photo, taken today, shows the remains of last year's stems on this particular clump (16 stems), and some green buds just starting to show. It'll be another 5-6 weeks until I see flowers, they are always a glorious sight, so here are a couple pics from last year to show what's coming.
Name edited from Cypripedium calceolus pubescens to C. parviflorum v. pubescens per latest taxonomy in Flora of North America.
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Uau... :P Congratulations they are fantástic. How many years this cyp have? I don't have this one but it's beautiful. Thank you very much. ;)
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I received my plants Cypripedium parviflorum v. pubescens as several clumps, each 5-6 eyes or pips. They've been in the garden 4-5 years now, and expanding nicely. Last year, the largest clump was 16 stems, but now that the tips are showing more, I count 32 pips, that equals 100% increase from last year!
When is the best time to divide Cypripedium, in early spring when starting into growth, or later in summer when mostly dormant?
Name edited from Cypripedium calceolus pubescens to C. parviflorum v. pubescens per latest taxonomy in Flora of North America.
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Hi, last time I looked at the Cypripedium forum, maintained by Michael Weinert, I recall him saying October was the best time to divide cypripediums. http://www.cypripedium.de/forum/messages/2845.html
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Mark, shouldn't pubescens be a subspecies of Cypripedium parviforum and not the Eurasian species calceolus, or have they moved it back again?
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Mark, shouldn't pubescens be a subspecies of Cypripedium parvilforum and not the Eurasian species calceolus, or have they moved it back again?
As first described the name calceolus represented this Cyp having circumpolar distribution in Europe, Asia, and North America, and most of the published floras presented it that way (such as in the Flora of Alaska by Hulten in 1968), and one still comes across plants labelled as such. But strictly speaking, based on recent taxonomy, it is correctly C. parviflorum var. pubescens. It is interesting looking at the first link I give below, is that many individual US States still maintain the threatened or endangered status under the original epithet.
http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=CYPAP3
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=242101551
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Mark, shouldn't pubescens be a subspecies of Cypripedium parvilforum and not the Eurasian species calceolus, or have they moved it back again?
As first described the name calceolus represented this Cyp having circumpolar distribution in Europe, Asia, and North America, and most of the published floras presented it that way (such as in the Flora of Alaska by Hulten in 1968), and one still comes across plants labelled as such. But strictly speaking, based on recent taxonomy, it is correctly C. parviflorum ssp. pubescens. It is interesting looking at the first link I give below, is that many individual US States still maintain the threatened or endangered status under the original epithet.
http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=CYPAP3
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=242101551
I suppose it depends on what flower books you are using? I grow three clones of parviflorum and three of calceolus. C. p. pubescens is similar in flower size to calceolus but the flower colour and texture is so different.
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My cyps growing and flowering in the ground and in Portugal! ;D
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My cyps growing and flowering in the ground and in Portugal! ;D
Luis, it appears that your Cyps are growing so fast that they're blurred in the photos ;D I don't know what all the species are for the shoots you show, but I see you have our native C. acaule, and in bud already! They aren't even out of the ground here in the woods yet. I've been unable to establish this species in the garden so far, but because it grows and flowers a couple minutes walk from the house, I no longer bother. Instead I'm growing easier to establish species, but would like to try more. Only yesterday I see shoots on C. reginae, it has increased from 4 stems to 9, yay!
Let us see all these when in flower :)
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Thank you for your reply. Yes i'm amazed because they are very good looking. The cyp acaule is the first time it blooms and is very well. But the cyp californicum don't pop up yet... we have now 26-30 C of maximum temp so i think it's natural the velocity they grow... :D
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My first Cyps in flower are henryi and fasciolatum, formosanum is already gone.
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Anthony was that your lovely potfull of Cypripedium Sabine grex in the May RHS book.
I have lost two of my cypripediums, but the other two are growing. I think I maybe kept them too dry throughout the winter :'(
Angie :)
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Angie,
I don't think it is likely they are too dry. When I used to use an organic based compost which used to pack down and need replacing each spring, the Cyps used to stand under the alpine house bench all winter, and only had a quick sprinkling of water two or three times over the winter months, enough to keep then barely damp, but no more.
It's far easier to keep then too wet in winter, especially if the temperature is a low as we've had this year.
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Yes Angie, it was. The pic was taken some time ago (not last year anyway). Cypripedium 'Sabine' was kept on my slabbed patio open to the elements all this winter. It is about a week off flowering and I'm hoping it will have eleven flowering noses this year. It was watered for the first time a couple of weekends ago, when it was given a feed of full strength 'Miraclegro'.
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Coming soon, C. parviflorum var. pubescens. With our recent long run of mild to warm sunny days, they're putting on strong growth. Hard to tell from this photo, is that there are 32 pips, some of the smaller growth points now concealed by expanding foliage. I was wondering about their tolerance for root competition from plants growing around them, as they make a mass of roots of a good size diameter larger than the plant, these roots tend to pop up above the surface of the soil. Each of my clumps are planted on mounded up soil berms that afford some dryness.
Also coming up is C. reginae, which increased from 3 pips last year, to 9 this year. :D :D It is much later to sprout and flower.
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Peter thanks for the help I wonder where I went wrong. I just put it under my bench and left them, maybe I should have gave them a little water like you have done. I thought because there was a lot of moisture in the greenhouse this would be enough.
Ok Anthony I liked your picture but there is no need no make me more jealous, eleven flowering noses :o cant wait to see the picture.
I think this is where I go wrong I mother cuddle my plants to much, or maybe I just starve them to death. Maybe by the time I am ninety I will get it right and be able to have a plant worth showing in a top magazine... well I can dream.
Angie :)
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Think I'm just in a part of the country where natural rainfall helps me to grow these plants. I would forget them if they were under the greenhouse bench. Most of mine sit on a sand bed in a shady part of the garden in a variety of pots. I use very little organic material (10% orchid bark and 10% loam). www.cypripedium.de/forum (in English) is an excellent resource.
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Thanks Anthony for the link some good reading there.
Angie :)
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I post pictures on that forum and was only too delighted that Michael Weinert thought my 'Sabine' was worthy of use. He has helped me enormously over the years with tips on growing cypripediums.
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Hi Anthony,
Do you use 'Miraclegro' at full strength for all your cypripediums, and how often do you use it?
Graham
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Graham, I used miraclegro last year on all the Cyps once a week at full strength and they seemed to be fine with it.
My first flowering Cyp this year.
Cyp tibeticum (var Froschii)
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Hi Anthony,
Do you use 'Miraclegro' at full strength for all your cypripediums, and how often do you use it?
Graham
No Graham. As Michael Weinert suggests, I only use full strength on vigorous hybrids once a fortnight. For species I use quarter strength, also every two weeks.
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Thanks Dave and Anthony,
It seems as with a lot of things we do things in different ways and sometimes what works for one doesn't always work for another.
I will have to think about what to do here.
Dave do you use miraclegrow for your Pleione also?
Graham
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Hi, last year I used full strength miraclegro on the Pleione once a week but only when in full leaf at the same time I did all my Cyps (both species and hybrids of both).
I'm now using a lance, water butt and pump and I'm using Chempak diluted down with every feed.
David
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Thanks David
An addition to all the other regimes!!!
Graham
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Graham, I was impressed with your Pleione forrestii. Do you grow cyps?
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Hi Anthony,
Thank you for your kind comment on my P. forrestii
I do grow cyps. Mostly very young and in their early stages. I will post photos as they flower.
My collection includes
C. formosanum - which I have had for many years in a raised bed and has 34 shoots this year.
C. guttatum - flowered last year on a single shoot. Re-potted this year as the frost cracked the pot. There were three shoots but only two have appeared.
C. palangshense
C. plectrochilum
C. reginae - bought last year, and in the same raised bed as the formosanum but hasn't appeared yet??
C. smithii
C. tibeticum
Photos
C. guttatum from last year
C formosanum from 2007
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The c. guttatum is stunning and the C. formosanum as very impressive.
My C. reginae are the last to flower every year and there is no sign yet here either but that's normal for me.
David
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Thanks David,
I will resist poking around the C. reginae for a while.
Just noticed two buds on the plectrochilum - a first for me. Could be another but the shoot is a little small at this point.
The whole plant is smaller than I would have expected - perhaps some feeding needed this year.
Graham
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Hi, Cyp plectrochilum is a small plant anyway, in my case so small that it completely disappeared from its pot. Just one of very few losses I suffered after this dreadful winter. It breaks my heart because C. plectrochilum is a great favourite, it looks like the seven dwarfs (or is it dwarves??) ;)
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Maren
That is a stunning pot full there. Don't think I've seen that many together. Unfortunately I have also lost some this winter but thankfully not all.
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Another I've not tried. :-\
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Hi Maren,
Thats a lovely potful! How many years did it take to get to that size? What a pity it hasn't survived the winter.
My plectrochilum has four shoots this year but they are only about 3cm high; two with buds. Perhaps they will grow before the buds bloom.
Graham
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Cypripedium 'Sabine' will be my first cyp to flower this year. I guess it won't be ready for Glasgow! :'( It looks as if it will have 10 flowering shoots. Not bad for a 3 quid seedling from Paul Christian!
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Cypripedium 'Sabine' will be my first cyp to flower this year. I guess it won't be ready for Glasgow! :'( It looks as if it will have 10 flowering shoots. Not bad for a 3 quid seedling from Paul Christian!
If only they would all grow that well.
David
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Well this is what I splurged all my birthday money on in March. I have taken lots of pictures in case that's all I ever see.
Cypripedium macranthos
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Well this is what I splurged all my birthday money on in March. I have taken lots of pictures in case that's all I ever see.
Cypripedium macranthos
It's very beautiful Shelagh but think positive - we're looking forward to the photos of the many-flowered mature plant in due course!
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Shelagh, a beautiful plant well grown. No turning back now! ;D
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My Cyp. macranthos and some guttatum
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I have to say that E. guttatum is my favourite since I was introduced to it at Tartu Botanic Garden in Estonia but I was told it is not really a clumper and likes to move about so not ideal for a pot or the show bench.
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Yet again, not one I've tried. :-\
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Another C. tibeticum (pale form) that is now a three flower plant. C. tibeticum dark and pale both seem to grow very well for me and increase rapidly.
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My tibeticum is just above the surface of the moss in is pot. Weeks off flowering.
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Most of my tibeticum are now in leaf as can be seen in the photo below. Flavum next to them has only just come through the surface in the last week. Should have fasciolatum in flower in the next week as well. Debile and palangshanense are both in leaf but will not flower this year as well as guttatum.
I'm surprised you put moss anywhere near them as I find it's a pain with Cyps and causes rot.
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C. parviflorum var. pubescens getting ready to pop. The particular clump photographed has 32 pips, and with our very warm couple of days 82-86 F (28-30 C) has them springing out of the ground.
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This time last year my Cc. 'Sabine' and X ventricosum had been out for well over a week. The latter is probably nearly two weeks away from flowering.
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This time last year my Cc. 'Sabine' and X ventricosum had been out for well over a week. The latter is probably nearly two weeks away from flowering.
The 15th May is likely a lovely day for a drive to Aberdeen, Anthony........... ::) ;D ;)
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Here they are some of my cyps... the first two i can't classify... :)
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This time last year my Cc. 'Sabine' and X ventricosum had been out for well over a week. The latter is probably nearly two weeks away from flowering.
The 15th May is likely a lovely day for a drive to Aberdeen, Anthony........... ::) ;D ;)
;D ;D ;D
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Luis
Pictures one, two and three look like pale forms of C. tibeticum.
David
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Thank you slug killer... can you help me to classify the 3 pleiones i post, Please!!! Thank's :'(
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The first Cyps in my garden:
Cyp. macranthos white and yellow
Cyp. yunnanense
Cyp. formosanum
Cyp. fasciolatum
Cyp. froschii
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wowww!!! Johannesshoeller Your cyps are splendid! ::) Your photos help me to classify my ones. Thank you very much! ;D
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A very impressive display Hans !! :o :o
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Hans, is Cyp froschii now not regarded as a pale form of tibeticum?
My next is C. ventricosum
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hello Hans,
I think that despite the "pale color" your "froschii" is a tibeticum.
for "better" identification pls look at W. Frosch site
http://www.w-frosch.de/Cypris/Arten/frosc.htm
typical for froschii are the "waved" petals
cheers
goofy
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My first cypripedium of the year :)
Cypripedium plectrochilum
Graham
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I can't help it... when I look at them I see little people....
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Maggi
I'd like the little people to reproduce as quickly as possible and maybe in 10 years time it will look as good as the one Maren posted, and who knows maybe ready for an Aberdeen show!
Graham
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I'll vote for that, Graham!! ;D
Are you coming up? The soup is good......... ;)
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It's in my diary Maggi but it is a long way. I haven't been to an Aberdeen show yet so I am tempted.
The soup may help! ;D
Would be a very early start if I had something to exhibit which isn't looking promising at the moment.
Graham
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My first cypripedium of the year :)
Cypripedium plectrochilum
Graham
My flower failed to open properly.
Is this common on a first flowering of this plant?
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I can't help it... when I look at them I see little people....
Looks like little sleeping people, with their bellies too full after a feast. Such a unique looking cyp.
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I've shared my anticipation of the common C. parviflorum var. pubescens flowering; this year it has outdone itself. Three unseasonably hot days pushed these along faster than I could have imagined. I know I took too many shots, but it's hard to hold back.
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Fantastic clump Mark. 8)
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Fantastic clump Mark. 8)
I couldn't agree more !!! :o :o :o
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The soup may help! ;D
Would be a very early start if I had something to exhibit which isn't looking promising at the moment.
Graham
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The soup is really good ( Maggi makes it ) and it would be nice to see you and your plants here in Aberdeen.
Angie :)
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Some Cyps. from today
franchetii (2x)
palangshanense
Hybrids from Russia (2x)
macranthos alba
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Some Cyps. from today
franchetii (2x)
palangshanense
Hybrids from Russia (2x)
macranthos alba
Thanks Luc and Anthony. It makes me wonder if any of these fantastic cyps that Hans is showing, how they might do outside in the garden, how they might bulk up in time. There are a couple specialists that sell Cyp plants, and some of the many new hybrids, but they're so expensive that they were cost-prohibitive, even when I was working. The only other on I have coming along is C. reginae, this year with 8 stems. Thanks Hans for showing us your phenomenal collection... the all white C. macranthos is sublime.
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Mark,
That is indeed a fantastic clump. I think we must have seen it from all angles.
Hans,
Excellent plants, especially the franchetii and macranthos alba, but I also like the diminutive palangshanense.
Graham
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hey,
this is the first of my Cyps, growing in the open.
its a liittle bit too late,
while the others are "in time", flowering expected about end of May.
Cypripedium formosanum , 51 shots *, 17 flowers/buds
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100506-090815-382.jpg)
single flower, closeup
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100506-113922-398.jpg)
cheers
*) correction: must be shoots
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I take it the reference to 51 shots is not the number of pics you took Goofy, but the number of shoots?
Here's a useful link: http://www.cypripedium.de/English/new/new.html
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Another good reference: http://www.w-frosch.de/e.
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I take it the reference to 51 shots is not the number of pics you took Goofy, but the number of shoots?
Witzbold you, Antony ;D
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Joker, Me? It was a serious question, as here we speak of taking shots with a camera and I thought you'd been very busy. ;)
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Dieter (Goofy),
Your Cypripedium formosanum is FANTASTIC, the cut and crimped leaves of this species are so unusual. I had to take a few "shots" of whisky to calm down ;D
Please tell us how you are growing it; looks like it is growing outside in the garden unprotected.
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I thought you'd been very busy. ;)
indeed I was.
that is shot #39 from a total of 51................... ;D
cheers
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Ah, the pfennig has dropped. One and one does make three!
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Please tell us how you are growing it; looks like it is growing outside in the garden unprotected.
hey, there is no secret behind,
its just growing in "normal garden" soil in the open in full sun........
it was not protected by any plastic cover all winters,
just a "natural" layer of birch leaves ( about 3 cm) in autumn from the trees around.
And it survived last severe winter better than many others.
But heavy fertilizing when growing.
@Antony:
no: der Pfennig ist nicht gefallen,
es war nur ein Schreibfehler.
I only took these two pics (shots) today from the formosanum,
which has indeed 51 new growths and 17 flowers and buds.
BELIEVE OR NOT................
no kidding !!
cheers
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Cool! 8) Cypripediums are tough plants, being able to tolerate temperatures down to -25oC. The problem we have here is Dunblane is wet, which is why I need to modify the garden soil or grow in posts. [oops, that should be pots :-[] (nearly did it again - typing the 's' before the 't' ::))
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Hi Goofy,
A really fantastic group of Cyp. formosanum.
Like you I grow mine in normal garden soil but it is in partial shade. This seriously bad winter hasn't done any harm to it either.
I have never fed it but will probably do that this year.
I split it a couple of years ago to fund the purchase of other Cyps. and it is now back to where it was originally.
The buds are just showing through the leaf folds so will post a photo when it is in full bloom in a few days time.
Graham
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The problem we have here is Dunblane is wet, which is why I need to modify the garden soil or grow in posts.
Anthony,
What sort of posts do you use? Are they metal or Wooden? ;D
Graham
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Tee Hee! I think we should form a breakaway group from SRGC.... IRDTA.... International Really Dreadful Typist Association!! ;D ;D
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Perhaps he meant posts - it sounds a lovely idea to me; imagine tall columns covered in cypridediums, would look fantastic and certainly help the drainage issue....
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Composts Graham. 8) Touché ;D
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....that shoud.... (nearly did it again - typing the 's' before the 't' ::))
but forgot the ' l ' instead ;D ;D ;D
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Oh shot! Too much haste! ;D
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Sorry, my own Cyp formosanum do not grow so well.
Cyp yatabeanum
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Sorry, my own Cyp formosanum do not grow so well.
;D :o :o :o
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Touche indeed Anthony ;D
Hans!
How many years has it taken to get to that many formosanum? :o
And where can I get a Cyp. yatabeanum? That one is a must :) If I can afford one. ;D
Double checked for typo's!
Graham
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If I feel well in the next fall, I will send you a yatabeanum!
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Hans
That would be too generous! I am embarassed :-[ now that I should have jokingly asked where I would get one from.
I would offer to exchange for formosanum but you clearly wouldn't need any more and I don't have anything to offer except money!
So please pm me and we could work something out.
I think you would have to feel very well to part with one of those. :)
Graham
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Some pics from today (cold, rainy and windy)
A mega-tibeticum (higher than 60cm and an extreme large flower)
palangshanense
japonicum
calceolus
x ventricosum
calc. with 4 flowers
guttatum
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Hans,
More exciting Cyps. You have an excellent collection.
Fantastic tibeticum, palangshanense and guttatum
:)
Graham
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My first Cyps flowering in the garden:
Cypripedium calceolus
Cypridedium Sebastian
Cypripedium plectrochilon
Cheers,
John
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Some Cyps from today.
segawai
flavum (different, 5x)
macranthos
hybrids 2x
andrewsii
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macranthos alba
ventricosum alba?
tibeticum hybrid
hybrid
guttatum
franchetii
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Some Cyps from today.
segawai
flavum (different, 5x)
macranthos
hybrids 2x
andrewsii
Hans,
Your andrewsii looks stunning. Do you know a nursery who has this one in their catalogue?
Thanks.
Cheers,
John
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Hans,
Your andrewsii looks stunning. Do you know a nursery who has this one in their catalogue?
John, Paul Christian lists it, but it won't be available until the autumn: http://www.rareplants.co.uk/prodtype.asp?s=rydpra510082&strParents=&CAT_ID=94&numRecordPosition=1
Personally, I prefer 'Sebastian'.
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Hans,
Your andrewsii looks stunning. Do you know a nursery who has this one in their catalogue?
John, Paul Christian lists it, but it won't be available until the autumn: http://www.rareplants.co.uk/prodtype.asp?s=rydpra510082&strParents=&CAT_ID=94&numRecordPosition=1
Personally, I prefer 'Sebastian'.
Thank you Anthony,
Sebastian is indeed a very nice one, but a bit small in stature. Isn't andrewsii bigger? Since I haven't seen andrewsii myself I am only guessing.
Cheers,
John
p.s. I have just visited Paul's website and saw what he is asking for it.............
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A formosanum hybrid
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hello Johannes,
this is maybe "Cyp. Lady Dorine" ?
cheers
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Dieter, you are right!
And Cyp Tilman (tibeticum x fasciolatum)
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Some Cyps from yesterday.
x ventricosum
macranthos
and hybrids with fasciolatum (very large flowers)
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hello,
my cypripedium...
cypripedium ?
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/f9993e999dbdee6bffff8014fffffff0.jpg?t=1274018670)
cypripedium x andrewsii
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/f9993e999dbdee6bffff8015fffffff0.jpg?t=1274018709)
regards
chris
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Here I show you a clump of my Cypripedium japonicum. I planted in the year 2004 three young plants of this delightful slipper orchid. This year I had 6 Flowers on ten shoots. And it is increasing further. But with Cypripedium formosanum I had problems with a late spring frost and it dies in this location. But japonicum was unimpressed of the frost! :-)
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here are some other cyps in my garden. Espacially the palangshanense are doing well. i didn't know that they make also clumps like other slipper orchids. I used to think that tey are always single stemed plants. But one has this year three shoots with two flowers and the other has two shoots with one flower. Cypripedium wardii is also going to have a flower this year. enjoy the pictures.
formosanum 1 LH.
Gerhard 1 LH
Inge 1 LH
macranthos 1 LH
palangshanense 1 LH
wardii 1 LH
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Hi Chris,
I think your first picture showes Cypripedium 'Michael' (henryi x macranthos)
Greetings
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hi lukas, thanks...i was not shure between michael and ventricosum....nice to see, that your wardii comes to bloom.
did you cultivatet c. micranthum ?
regards
chris
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Nice Cyps every one!!
Hans nice hybrids with fasciolatum, they look amazing!!
Han have you changed your mix...it looks like your using bark fines, are they only on top with your usual mix?
And are you using a slow release fertiliser, i see yellow granuals??
sorry if somebody has asked before
Cheers
Stephen
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The first to open for me was Cypripedium Emil, the second (not fully opened yet) - Cypripedium guttatum
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My goodness.... you have these out in the garden through a Russian winter, Oleg?!! :o
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All cypripediums are outside in winter
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One tends to forget that most cyps are hardy down to -25oC. Here is Cypripedium 'Sabine', which has not moved from this spot on my patio for three years. This year we had -18oC, which turned many pot grown bulbs to mush, but had no effect what so ever on my cypripediums. This was a £3 lucky dip seedling from Paul Christian.
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One tends to forget that most cyps are hardy down to -25oC. Here is Cypripedium 'Sabine', which has not moved from this spot on my patio for three years. This year we had -18oC, which turned many pot grown bulbs to mush, but had no effect what so ever on my cypripediums.
Yes, you're right.... I am guilty of forgetting that these fragile looking plants are so much togher than they look.
About time you gave that pot a scrub, though, eh? ::)
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:-[ I would have if it had been flowering on time! :'( Two more cyps just about out in today's tropical temperatures: 'Emil' and X Ventricosum! (Just remembered why I left the algae on the pot. It gives the impression that it has been there undisturbed for a long time. ;D)
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Anthony that's a nice pot full of cypripedium Sabine. I would have been too scared to leave out such a wonderful plant like that this winter but you have just shown us that they are hardier than we think. Did you keep it under a canopy or anything?
Angie :)
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One tends to forget that most cyps are hardy down to -25oC. Here is Cypripedium 'Sabine', which has not moved from this spot on my patio for three years. This year we had -18oC, which turned many pot grown bulbs to mush, but had no effect what so ever on my cypripediums.
Anthony, a magnificent cyp!
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Hi Anthony,
that's a beautiful potful. What's your compost and aspect?
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No canopy. The wall at the back is East and is 4' high with a blue picket fence on top. An Iris unguicularius growing on the wall is completely dead, but it was attacked by voles. I don't see any life in the pot of Lilium nepalense next to it.
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Some more Cypripedium
Sebastian
andrewsii
flavum
shanxiense
calceolus hybrid (shanxiense)
franchetii
candidum
flavum
Stephen,
I have three different subtrates in my garden (because the chances of the garden):
-native soil from our limestone mountains (for my very old calceolus and my first Chinese Cypripediums): is not the best for most Cyps.
-coarse pumice or broken burnt clay pepples, a little composted conifer bark, pine bark, fine quarz sand called in our native language Flins, a little Beech leaf mould (the best substrate)
- the same substrate but with a little peat, more Beech leaf mould and limestone.
I do not fertilize, only plants in the second substrate (Wuxal)
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Hi Anthony,
that's a beautiful potful. What's your compost and aspect?
Maren, the compost is 80% inorganic (Seramis® and perlite) 10% fine bark and 10% loam.
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Hi Anthony,
that's very re-assuring. Mine is very similar, with a handful of cat litter thrown in (that's the granular type, available from some Tesco stores and recommended by Paul. There is an interesting writeup about it somewhere on this site.).
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Maren
Here is the link to the information I sent Paul on Cat litter.
http://www.srgc.org.uk/wisley/2008/100908/log.html
David
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Thanks David. The reason for the Seramis® in the mix is that my pot of 'Sabine' hasn't been repotted for nearly 4 years. I will be investing in cat litter this year.
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Two clones of X Ventricosum album and my clump of 'Emil' with over 50 flowers.
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Two clones of X Ventricosum album and my clump of 'Emil' with over 50 flowers.
Anthony, both are OUTSTANDING! :o :o :o
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Two clones of X Ventricosum album and my clump of 'Emil' with over 50 flowers.
Anthony, both are OUTSTANDING! :o :o :o
Aren't they just! and he's always moaning about the weather.... seems the cyps, at least, don't mind it!
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Fabulous clumps, Anthony, such a beautiful show. May I ask how long you have had them?
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Maren, the X Ventricosum in the cyps in pots I have had since I bought it as a single nose from Ian Christie at the 1999 Early Bulb Display. There's a pic of in in the June 2002 Journal. The Album and 'Emil' are more recent acquisitions about 5 or more years ago.
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Hi,
Three from my collection today.
Cypripedium guttatum
C. guttatum
C. palangshanense
C. formosanum
Graham
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Hi Graham,
my C. guttatum is nearly over. I made the mistake of bringing it into the cold house for photography and then forgetting it there. Of course, these last few days, cold houses have turned into rather hot houses. It was lovely while it lasted.
I am most impressed by your C. phalangshanense, how do you grow it? It looks nice and healthy.
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Hi Maren,
Thank you for your kind comments.
The C. phalangshanense is grown in a fibrous pine duff with a coarse grit sand added for free drainage. I never let it dry out. As with all my Cypripediums it is grown on the east side of the house so that it receives morning sun which passes by mid day.
The pot grown ones are under the protection of a tub grown Arbutus unedo and are left there over the winter. Except for C. guttatum which in the winter is placed in the most exposed part of the garden to get thouroughly frozen. It is, however, covered with a plastic cloche to keep the worst of the winter wet off it. The pot cracked with the frost this year and fell apart. A rushed re-potting was required.
Graham
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Here are Cc. calceolus and its American cousin p. parviflorum. The latter is also from Ian Christie in 1999 and illustrated (twice) in the June 2002 Journal. It hasn't been moved from this spot in all that time, although I did dig it up a few years ago and replant in a larger hole filled with my usual potting mix.
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Anthony,
you must have a beautiful garden, judging by the glimpses you show. Are you open to the public?
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Anthony,
you must have a beautiful garden, judging by the glimpses you show. Are you open to the public?
Alas, 4th July when they are well past. :( Anyone is welcome to come any time though. ;D
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I got these 2 cypripediums from the same sourse as Cypripedium tibetanum. They are both in bloom this year. And... to my delight they are different! Is any of them C.tibetanum?
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The second one is definitely tibeticum, and is my favourite form with the lighter tepals. The first one could be C. smithii?
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hi, some of my cyps...
gisela?
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild016-11.jpg?t=1274802582)
michael
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/DSC_4523.jpg?t=1274802798)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/DSC_4524.jpg?t=1274802820)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/f9993e999dbdee6bffff8014fffffff0.jpg?t=1274802929)
cypripedium x andrewsii
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild001-24.jpg?t=1274802670)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/f9993e999dbdee6bffff8015fffffff0.jpg?t=1274803009)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/DSC_4552.jpg?t=1274803067)
cheers
chris
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Flowering today var. planipetalum
johnw
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Hi Christian,
your 'Michael' is so much prettier than mine. On mine, the flower colour is all washed out. Do you grow yours in more shade, I wonder?
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I got these 2 cypripediums from the same sourse as Cypripedium tibetanum. They are both in bloom this year. And... to my delight they are different! Is any of them C.tibetanum?
The first looks like C. franchetii, is the ovary hairy?
Second is a very nice dark form of C. tibeticum which is also one of my favourites.
David
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hi maren, sunny place a half day...sandy soil, behind an acer shishigashira...
cheers
chris
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Hi Christian,
your 'Michael' is so much prettier than mine. On mine, the flower colour is all washed out. Do you grow yours in more shade, I wonder?
Don't forget Maren there are multiple reasons why your 'Michael' could be different as they are grexes and not clones. Look at the amount of red on my 'Emil'. That's genetic, not environment.
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Thank you, Anthony and David. I'll look at the ovary to be sure.
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Some more today
Cyp micranthum
Cyp debile
Cyp franchetii
Cyp calceolus??
Cyp palangshanense
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I just can't believe the number of cyps you all grow... all are so beautiful. The image of C. micranthum looks just like a freshly hatched baby chick with its gaping beak ready to be fed.
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c. micranthum is very nice, i love this species...
cheers
chris
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An interesting hybrid
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Beautiful. 8) Some reginae in there, but the hairy tepals suggests micranthum too?
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No Anthony,
it is reginae x fargesii (produced from my friend)
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Here is C. reginae in the wild in eastern Tennessee. This is one of three populations in Tennessee and one of 7 in the southeastern US. I just discovered this one last year and hope to find more next Tuesday when I am out again. This population only has about 100-200 plants. I also have found a clump with yellow margined leaves!
Aaron
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Aaron, I find it interesting that you find C. reginae just in flower, yet here about 860 miles to the Northeast, C. reginae also just came into flower... we are having an exceptionally early spring here in northern New England.
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Hello all,
Here are some pictures showing the size and the habit of Cypripedium wardii. This small precious orchid is rearly seen.
I cultivate mine now for 5 years. Since three years one plant showed every year a single flower.
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Here another rearly seen Cypripedium
This is Cypripedium yunnanense. It grows in a big pot together with Cyp henryi, fasciolatum, flavum (still too small to flower since 5 years out of flask) and tibeticum (shwes leaves since three years...)
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lukas, nice and rare plant...very good conditions...respect...
cheers
chris
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Lukas... that C. wardii is so sweet, what a treasure to have 8)
Angie :)
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I will try these small cyps in another life. ;D
Here is 'Gisela' beside a double Trillium grandiflorum that bulks up faster than my 'Snowbunting' or 'Flore Pleno' from Bressingham.
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hi, first bloom of c.reginae forthis year, in bog...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild005-56.jpg?t=1275135352)
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the flower...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild004-58.jpg?t=1275135407)
cheers
chris
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Mine are still tightly wrapped stems. We are weeks behind this year.
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your right, the weather was not the best in may, and before too.... :'(
cheers
chris
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hi, c. reginae in bog, impression from the morning...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild010-38.jpg?t=1275217273)
cheers
chris
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Christian
That's a lovely picture.
David
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david, thanks...
cheers
chris
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This clump of Cypripedium 'Philipp', from PC, has 20 flowers just coming out.
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An interesting Cyp calceolus (no abnormity).
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cypripedium reginae, the third flower is open...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild008-47.jpg?t=1275395992)
hans, this flower looks very pretty...
cheers
chris
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4 different reginae, a hybrid and calceolus alba
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Here's Cypripedium 'Philipp' in yesterday's evening sun.
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Anthony, that's it. I shall have to indulge myself in some Cypripedium Phillip. Your evening pictures are quite overwhelming. Not only are the plants perfection themselves, your photography is pretty good too. Gush, gush :) :) :)
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It is a very vigorous hybrid Maren, with huge flowers.
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Anthony thats alovely Cypripedium 8) and vigorous, will have to try and get that one. There were a few for sale at Edingburgh ::).
Angie :)
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my cypripedium ula silkens flowering for the first time for me. It was a gift from a friend last autumn.
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The last Cypripedium in my garden!
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That's a beauty, Hans, is it Ulla Silkens?
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No, it is reginae x fargesii or lichiangense
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I have two ripening seed pods on Cypripedium parviflorum var. pubescens. Would it be silly or futile for me to try sowing these in some sort of situation outdoors. Any experiences or recommendations?
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Mark have you not seen any germinate around your plant?? Also do you use a bark mulch around this Cyp as it seems that terestial orchids will germinate on this medium in favourable conditions. Just going by some experience with native orchids here and Dactyl's. Cyp reginae is known to germinate in garden situations. You can only try in some differant suituations, growing mediums and locations considering the thousands of seeds produced.
cheers
Stephen
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Mark have you not seen any germinate around your plant?? Also do you use a bark mulch around this Cyp as it seems that terestial orchids will germinate on this medium in favourable conditions. Just going by some experience with native orchids here and Dactyl's. Cyp reginae is known to germinate in garden situations. You can only try in some differant suituations, growing mediums and locations considering the thousands of seeds produced.
cheers
Stephen
Yes, I use bark mulch around my plants (pine bark mulch), the cyps seem to enjoy that. In the 5-6 years I've grown these, never seen a seedling, nor on my C. reginae. My guess is the beds are generally too dry to nurture tine seedlings through the drier summer months, although quite honestly I don't remember ever seeing a seed pod on them, until just these two pods on pubescens this year. My cyps are also slightly elevated on purpose for better drainage in winter months. Maybe I should make a slightly depressed area or bowl, and cover with decayed bark mulch.
I have a friend a few towns north of me, in southern New Hampshire, where he gets lots of self-sown seedling colonies of C. reginae, but they're literally growing under swamp conditions; my garden is so much drier, quite the opposite of a swamp or wetland.
You've given me some encouragement to try them in a couple of situation, hopefully I can improvise something. ;D
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I have a friend a few towns north of me, in southern New Hampshire, where he gets lots of self-sown seedling colonies of C. reginae, but they're literally growing under swamp conditions
Oh, my word..... imagine that!! ....sigh!
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I have a friend a few towns north of me, in southern New Hampshire, where he gets lots of self-sown seedling colonies of C. reginae, but they're literally growing under swamp conditions
Oh, my word..... imagine that!! ....sigh!
Yes, the garden of George Newman is quite wild and extraordinary, many acres in size, much of it wetland, accommodating many hundreds of different native North American plants, many of them in a "naturalized" state. The area where his best self-sown clumps of C. reginae are growing is very wet; here are two photos taken on a mosquito-infested rainy day, and one of C. kentuckiense that prefers drier conditions. The really extraordinary thing about his garden, are the Sarracenias, he grows just about every species and natural hybrid, both tender and many hardy ones, along with other insectivorous plants.
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Superb! McMark, your friend George is one fortunate chap.... I think even I would brave the "mozzies" to see that garden!
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Really nice picks, beautifull!! Mark nothing beats seeing native orichids in the wild.
Yes I can see how this one favours very moist conditions, i keep losing some when its too dry in pot culture, must plant them in the ground.
Theres a recently new book out on North American Orchids culture ,not that I can remeber the title but it does mention and show how to build an artificial swamp for ones like C reginae. I have a dam now, i wonder how they would go on the edge of it...now you got me thinking??
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I have some green seed pods of calceolus (at least). If anyone has the technology to germinate them send me an email.
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Here is my 40 nosed Cypripedium X Ventricosum today. I've started splitting it and will be selling off divisions. These range from 19 noses down to 3. Not bad for a plant that started as a single nose from Ian Christie.
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Good grief that is an amazing looking Cyp. I'd don't envy you trying to split it all as it looks a very tight bunch.
How long did it take you from single nose to forty nose?
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Good grief that is an amazing looking Cyp. I'd don't envy you trying to split it all as it looks a very tight bunch.
How long did it take you from single nose to forty nose?
Twelve years. You're right. Splitting it is not easy. I wish I didn't have to.
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Michael Weinert (www.cypripedium.de/forum) is preparing an English version of his youtube video on splitting cyps. He seems to be quite brutal! :o
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Michael Weinert (www.cypripedium.de/forum) is preparing an English version of his youtube video on splitting cyps. He seems to be quite brutal! :o
Isn't violence to plants the same in any language, especially in a video :-X ???
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Judge for yourself. 8)
[youtube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBZTXe_KPuc [/youtube]
edited by Maggi to embed video........ :D
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Judge for yourself. 8) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBZTXe_KPuc
Good video, just look at all those noses. His hands visibly tremble with the stress of trying to tear the clumps apart, reminds me when I try and divide Epimedium, they're incredibly difficult to separate and it takes all my strength to do it.
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Hi,
I watched the video but maybe I did something wrong. It seemed to consist of 3 seconds of action followed by 15 seconds of frozen frame. I nearly didn't make it to the finish. Is there any way to make the video run through without stoppages?
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Judge for yourself. 8) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBZTXe_KPuc
I don't think I would be able to divide such a prized plant.
Maren I was the same it took ages.
I had a very large bird of Paradise plant and it was just all roots and no soil. I didn't have the strength to divide it so I just went a got my husbands saw, that made the job easy, will have to wait and see what the plant does ::)
Angie :)
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Hi Angie, that's how I repot my Cymbidiums, club hammer to break the pot, chainsaw to cut off the old roots, crowbar to split the clump, etc. I no longer demonstrate this when I give talks about tropical orchids because I got tired of lugging in all the equipment including workbench. But the audience reaction was always very good when I said: "and now I shall show you how to re-pot a cymbidium" and then put on my orange safety helmet and goggles and revved up the saw. ;D ;D ;D
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Your connection must be slow if it freezes or stops. Plays fine for me.
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Maren I would have loved to have seen there faces. I can only hope that some day I will need to break my pot to get my Cyp.out to divide. I think that's a long way off...only have a few, but can see me getting more.I thought they wouldn't be hardy here in Aberdeen but after hearing from our members I am ready to try some more.
Your connection must be slow if it freezes or stops. Plays fine for me.
I think so, it's a bit like me at this time of night, oh just noticed it's morning.
Angie :)
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With cypripediums the trick is not to let a clump get too big. The suggestion is after it gets to 10 noses divide. My Cypripedium 'Emil' was 60 noses before I split it a couple of weeks ago. I am less brutal and try to pull roots through rather than have them snap.
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So, is the best time to divide these in fall? Supposed to get a hard frost tomorrow night, but then more moderate temperatures for the following week, maybe I should try dividing one of my two large clumps of C. parviflorum var. pubescens... the video inspires me to try it.
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I don't suppose I'll live long enough to have this "problem" with any cyps but my fear in a similar situation, is of crushing or breaking the noses as one attempts the wrestling task of splitting. Very tricky to get a firm enough hold to apply the force need to tear apart the clump without mangling the pieces one is holding on to... :P :-X :-\
Undoubtedly the washing off of as much soil as possible, and repeated eforts at that as the job progresses are the best way to let you see what you are doing and minimise the chance of friction damage from soil and stone on the roots.
Having seen photos of your lovely mature clumps, McMark, I think it will be a rather nerve-wracking experience to tackle splitting them....
it may require one of these.....
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good luck!
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Well, I'm willing to gamble on my smaller clump (16-18 pips) rather than my larger clump which is twice the # of pips. If it works, and I can establish more plants around the garden, then I'll divide the larger clump next year.
But I did try an experiment with the two seed capsules harvested on C. p. v. pubescens; I have no real idea whether I just wasted time or if there is any actual hope of success. I'll let y'all know in 4-5 years ;D
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Only 6 or 7 years to produce huge clump of 'Emil' from a very small plant.
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Hi,
I watched the video but maybe I did something wrong. It seemed to consist of 3 seconds of action followed by 15 seconds of frozen frame. I nearly didn't make it to the finish. Is there any way to make the video run through without stoppages?
Click 'pause' (||) until it is completely loaded, as indicated by the red bar.
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So, is the best time to divide these in fall?
I think the answer to that is 'yes', but good results can be had dividing in the spring or as the flowers die back in the summer. The trick is to make sure they NEVER dry out. Big clumps start to die in the middle and the result is rot which can spread outwards. I'm splitting and selling all my cyps as the intention is to move and they can't come with me. :'(
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Slug Killer asked if it is possible to embed a video link in the Forum so that a 'you-tube' video can be displayed in a box in the post, allowing it to be clicked on and played without leaving the forum page..... Fred the WhizzKid Admin says - indeed it is possible - and you can return to the post on the previous page, where Anthony gave the cyp. splitting link, to see it in action....
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5129.msg169615#msg169615
To achieve this, Type or paste the URL of the 'youtube' video in the post and surround it with
(youtube) (/youtube) ... substituting the () brackets for the square versions [ .......
alternatively highlight it then click the youtube button (middle row far left) of the buttons above the text box.
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Thanks Maggi, simple when you know how :P. When you add a new post or reply to a topic the YOUTUBE button (under BOLD text button) puts the youtube link in for you. Never noticed it before.
Looks good and people don't have to leave this website.
David
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I never noticed it before either, David.... I think Fast Fred has been at it again!!
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I still have some of my larger plants, so I may have to split them, but the clumps are quite tight and the roots criss-cross so I will try to unthread them?
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If anyone is interested in any of my remaining cyps email me for a list.
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I still have some of my larger plants, so I may have to split them, but the clumps are quite tight and the roots criss-cross so I will try to unthread them?
For anyone interested in how to divide a big clump of Cyps here is a link with excellent information of how to do it:
http://www.cypripedium.de/forum/messages/2555.html
Anthony,
I am interested in your list of Cyps.
Cheers,
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Garden under 2 feet of snow so the remaining cyps remain there for the time being. Once I've sent John his I'll put the rest on Ebay.
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I just wish my two would bulk up so I can worry about dividing. My reginae has never flowered. Akai flowers OK. Both have only single stems since I got them 5 or 6 years ago. Both are in the ground.
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I just looked up my photos. I took a photo of Aki pale form in 2005 so I must of bought it in 2004. It either came from Ebay or Rare Plants
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Only 6 or 7 years to produce huge clump of 'Emil' from a very small plant.
Anthony,
I've had Cypripedium 'Emil' for three years now but it stays a one-flower stalk plant...so I must be doing something wrong... I grow mine outside in shade in leafy soil. How do you grow them?
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Wim, I grow it in full sun, but that's full shade in Scotland! It doubles in size every year. I use my 80% inorganic mix in a very large hole, but the roots spread into the surrounding loam.
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I still have some of my larger plants, so I may have to split them, but the clumps are quite tight and the roots criss-cross so I will try to unthread them?
For anyone interested in how to divide a big clump of Cyps here is a link with excellent information of how to do it:
http://www.cypripedium.de/forum/messages/2555.html
Michael Weinert has uploaded a video on youtube about how to divide Cyp clumps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS9ht0J8LDs