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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: mark smyth on March 01, 2010, 06:30:59 PM
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March is here and it feels like spring has sprung except snow is forecast ::) The sun is now high enough, briefly, to come over the top of the house to bathe the new troughs in the back garden with good light. Crocus were open early this morning. 9c most of the day.
C. angustifolius - common and cheap as chips but lovely
C. biflorus x2- I hope! Another missing label
C. biflorus weldenii x3
C. biflorus weldenii Albus
C. biflorus weldenii L and Albus R
C. sieberi George x2
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When does biflorus weldenii become Albus? The photo of biflorus weldenii3, above, has much bluer bases than what I grow as Albus. Is the white form variable?
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I thought I would post this one again as it looked so nice in the sun today
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In my (past) experience, the greyish exterior forms of C. biflorus weldenii were under the cultivar name 'Fairy' while albus was all white.
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Sunshine today
Crocus abantensis
Crocus chrysanthus zenith
Crocus gargaricus subsp gargaricus
Crocus jessoppiae
Crocus tommasinianus albus
Crocus tommasinianus ruby giant.
Crocuus subsp vernus .Oradea.
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The Green Isle seems to rule over Crocusland !! ;D ;D
Great series Mark and Michael !! :D
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Thanks Luc.
They are looking good because the last few days have been very warm for the time of year.
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Excellent images from everybody.
Mark,
this is what I have a C.biflorus ssp. weldeni "Albus". Flower tube white, inner segments white or with a slightly greyish base.
In comparison C. chrysanthus "Miss Vain" differs from "Albus" by the black-tipped basal lobes of the anthers and the greyish base of the segments. Style in both cvs. is divided in 3 branches.
C. sieberi "George" is a stunner. 8)
Ian,
a very nice flower of your C. sieberi. I like the center with the yellow sunrays! 8)
Do you know which subspecis it is?
Michael,
I like your C. vernus ssp. vernus "Oradea".
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OK thanks. My biflorus weldenii Albus are all chrysanthus Miss Vain :'( My pot of biflorus weldenii contains two normal and two white. Confusion over and all relabeled
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I thought I would post this one again as it looked so nice in the sun today
A stunner Ian. Mine probably look good in todays sunshine but I am at work :( As my bike self detructed this morning (derailleur derailed :P) I could not make the planned dash for freedom at lunnhtime.
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Tony you could do what I used to do - bring a box of Crocus in pots to work
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there has been some discussion on variation in Crocus sieberi ssp sublimis and possible hybrids with Crocus veluchensis. This is a selection of sieberi all from seed from Mt Parnassus. Some may be hybrids?
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A couple of Crocus veluchensis from northern Greece for comparison. The second one is just finishing flowering and so is past its best.
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C30 and C492 - stunners
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I think 492 rivals 'Carpathian Wonder' :) :) :)
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You're right Arthur
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Tony is 492 brighter than that in real life? If it was a snowdrop I would be suggesting twinscaling it.
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Tony is 492 brighter than that in real life? If it was a snowdrop I would be suggesting twinscaling it.
Mark I photograph them in shade,I have only a very basic camera which struggles with the colours in sunlight.
I can only say that when the sun shines through it,it makes my heart beat faster!
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I hope you dont mind but I altered the photo a wee bit to brighten it. If it looks nothing like this I'll delete it again
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C30 is my favourite tony !! What a glorious flower !!
I had some opening today as well :
1) Crocus abantensis
2) Crocus corsicus - closed
3) and open !
4) Crocus x reticulatus 'Janis Ruksans'
5) same opening
6) same open
I hope you don't mind it being shown once again :-\
7-8-9) Crocus heuffelianus 'Carpathian Wonder' - 3 stages ! :)
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I hope you dont mind but I altered the photo a wee bit to brighten it. If it looks nothing like this I'll delete it again
No I do not mind. here are a few more pictures from today
First one of the plunge beds in the sunshine.
Crocus gargaricus both sub species.
Crocus biflorus ssp pulchricolor
Crocus sieberi ssp sieberi self sown in the sand
Crocus etruscus
Crocus chrysanthus
Crocus vernus ssp vernus two shots showing the outside and inside of the flowers
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Excellent images from everybody.
Ian,
a very nice flower of your C. sieberi. I like the center with the yellow sunrays! 8)
Do you know which subspecis it is?
Armin good question. I don't know and have thrown away the list I bought in from so I will have to ask Rannveig Wallace as it came from her
Perhaps Tony knows
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More great stuff Tony !
The self sown sieberi ssp sieberi is to die for !!! :o :o
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Tony if I lived an hours drive from you I would be visiting every day. I wonder If I can persuade my mother and brother to move back to Lancs
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there has been some discussion on variation in Crocus sieberi ssp sublimis and possible hybrids with Crocus veluchensis. This is a selection of sieberi all from seed from Mt Parnassus. Some may be hybrids?
Superb variety Tony
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I used to live 18 miles away from you! :o in Freckleton
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Tony if I lived an hours drive from you I would be visiting every day. I wonder If I can persuade my mother and brother to move back to Lancs
I would probably move house ::)
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Tony,
hot stuff! C. sieberi C30 and C492 wow 8) 8) 8)
I also like your potful of C. vernus ssp. vernus. Nice color variations. 8)
As mentioned earlier - C. etruscus very beautiful too.
Luc,
it seems you have taken much investment in your crocus collection. ;D
I'm very pleased to see so beautiful crocus species and hybrids.
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Luc
really lovely plants,the colour of the abantensis is great and the carpathian wonder is stunning.
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Seeing your Crocus vernus ssp. vernus in flower Tony is keeping me going where not even noses are showing here yet! Thank you and Luc for keeping dreams alive with your gorgeous crocus photos :)
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The pale vernus are lovely shades of blue.
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Thank you for the kind comments,not such a great day today freezing cold and no sun. A few more out though.
Crocus cvijicii
Crocus veluchensis
Crocus sieberi
all from Greece and a
Crocus flavus from Turkey
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Tony you could do what I used to do - bring a box of Crocus in pots to work
Not on my bike - broken or otherwise!
Have done it in the dim distant past though when I had sole us eof the car ;)
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Such lovely things from yesterday. My Forum was down all day so quite a lot to catch up on. On the other hand, I did get some other things done. :D
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Such lovely things from yesterday. My Forum was down all day so quite a lot to catch up on. On the other hand, I did get some other things done. :D
Hopefully you had time to fertilize your fields of arborescent croci. As you can see, mine are coming along nicely.
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Yours are getting quite rampant Mark. A total takeover soon I expect. ;D
No, I actually went looking for spring bulbs at the local garden centres. Plenty there but the same old same old. Lots of Iris danfordiae but all brought in from Holland and have been in a chiller for 6 months so that most are tunics with overly dried up innards. I suppose I'll try a few more but it's all a bit depressing really. Precious few crocuses at all except a couple of vars of large dutch. There were some local C. sativus and I'll try a few more of those but I don't get many flowers. Funny, as there are a few (very small) commercial plantings locally, for saffron.
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I couldnt access the forum from around 8.30pm yesterday. At 1am it was still off line for me
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As far as I can fathom, the Forum was off last night from just after 10pm to early this morning ..... server work, I think.
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a couple more out today,the first of
Crocus scardicus
Crocus x gothenburgensis this has pelistericus as the seed parent and scardicus as the pollen. This one is very small flowered compared with its parents
Crocus pelistericus are not even showing buds yet.
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Yours are getting quite rampant Mark. A total takeover soon I expect. ;D
No, I actually went looking for spring bulbs at the local garden centres. Plenty there but the same old same old. Lots of Iris danfordiae but all brought in from Holland and have been in a chiller for 6 months so that most are tunics with overly dried up innards. I suppose I'll try a few more but it's all a bit depressing really. Precious few crocuses at all except a couple of vars of large dutch. There were some local C. sativus and I'll try a few more of those but I don't get many flowers. Funny, as there are a few (very small) commercial plantings locally, for saffron.
Lesley
Regarding Crocus sativus - I was advised to plant the corms 6" deep in a well manured soil, the vegetable patch would be perfect, and you should get flowers. The corms will resemble small beetroot after this treatment.
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Your scardicus and x gothenburgensis are exquisite Tony, and obviously very happy. How do you manage them?
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Ashley
And he is just as successful with pelistericus - must be the Chorley localised conditions :) although I think Tony is an outstanding grower.
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I think Tony is an outstanding grower.
I'll second that. All of Tony's pics show very healthy and well-grown plants, beautifully presented. 8)
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Your scardicus and x gothenburgensis are exquisite Tony, and obviously very happy. How do you manage them?
Thank you for the kind comments.I think much of it is down to plants suiting the conditions and my box of dead labels of those that have not been happy has to be seen to be believed.
I grow the pelistericus, scardicus and hybrids together. They are in clay pots plunged in sand. The compost is peaty and gritty and until this year I have never repotted them. Last summer I gave away a couple of plants of both species and this necessitated me repotting those particular plants with no ill effect. The sand plunge is outside where it never gets any sunlight but is well lit. They are kept wet all year round which is easy in my climate and they never go dormant. The new shoot is visible as the old leaves die off in about September.This year I am trying feeding them for the first time to try and bring on the seedlings a bit faster.
I bring them in to my shady greenhouse as they come in to flower to enjoy them and try for seed which sets each year no problem.
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Very interesting & useful Tony; thanks.
Disappointing though to hear that my collection of dead labels is less unique than I thought ;) ;D
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a couple more out today,the first of
Crocus scardicus
Crocus x gothenburgensis this has pelistericus as the seed parent and scardicus as the pollen. This one is very small flowered compared with its parents
8) 8) 8)
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Art, I might try that regime with c. sativus. I've bought a dozen, sort of mid size I'd guess. I know that a friend who has a small saffron planting grows them (organically) with lots of garden compost and manure underneath, from her cow, not what one would normally give to crocuses. So maybe the gritty compost that everything here gets hasn't been rich enough. :D
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Lesley
In addition to the good feed, they need to be planted at least 6 inches down. This is the recommendation of David Stephens (Crocus Group). He visited our AGS Group and distributed bags of corms at least the size of beetroot.
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Good Lord!
I can plant them deep in my new bit which is mostly planted now with herbaceous stuff and I'm putting bulbs in every spare patch. In a year or two, most bulbs will be coming up through something. :D
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I thought I should try to grow some crocus a pot and bought a pack of C.....Tricolor.
I am amazed how many flowers each corm produces - between 4 and 9. Is this normal or have they been treated to put on a great show and then fade away? If I had realised how floriferous they were I would not have put them all into one pot :-[
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Vivien - The trade clone is very vigorous. My single bulb (1989 £3 per corm) made a big potful in just a few years. The corms you have will likely have been grown on the Dutch bulbfields where the soil seems to be laced with miracle-grow! They will probably make smaller corms in future but there will be plenty of them - each growing shoot should have a new corm at the base. Feed (high potash) and water well to keep them growing as long as possible and they will do just fine.
Pictured below is a form I raised from wild seed in 1999. Slower to increase than the trade form and subtly different shape. Still nice though!
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The main flush of Crocus colour has arrived here this week.
Garden crocus abound, in the frames here it's the sight that reminds me why I go to so much trouble!
Crocus biflorus weldenii 'Fairy' - Thomas is this the same as your clone?
Crocus corsicus ex seed ex corms collected by Alan Edwards in Corsica many moons ago. 10 years on and I still have just the one corm!
Crocus cvijicii
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Thanks for the advice Tony. I think your plants have much cleaner colouring than mine.
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Second and final installment for tonight.
Crocus pestalozzae. Easy from seed (OK almost all crocus are) and has the smallest seed of any crocus.
Crocus paschei
Crocus sieberi - seed raise dex Marcus Harvey collections. Might be from Mt Parnassos as these are not typical of ssp sublimis. The supposed hybrids with Crocus veluchensis look quite similar.
Crocus vitellinus - raised from seed sown 10 years ago ... is this the first time it has flowered? Could be!
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Thanks for the advice Tony. I think your plants have much cleaner colouring than mine.
Trick of the light / camera perhaps. Yours are lovely too!
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First flower from seed sown three and a half years ago Crocus cvijicii and also from seed flowering for the first trime Crocus vernus (thanks Tony G)
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Tony, a fantastic sight in your crocus frame and the single shots are a treat too :) Crocus biflorus weldenii 'Fairy' is so pretty.
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Ian, wow, congratulations on the first flowering of your crocus in pots. Crocus cvijicii is a wonderful shape and colour :)
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Crocus pelistericus today.
Alex
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Alex I like the way you keep the corms damp.
Ian, your group of vernus reminds me I havent see mine this year :-\ I must look tomorrow
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Alex very nice,way ahead of me by a week or so I think
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Nice plant Alex. Here is one from me courtesy of a generous friend Crocus angustifolius
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Got this little sweetie from Bob Potterton. He says its Crocus imperati ssp suaveolans.
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One we took a long time to find, C. sieberi Tricolor. Much better than I imgined.
johnw
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Here are a few photos I took today
Graeme
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Yum Yum :)
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Which one Lesley?
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The whole jolly lot really Mark, but especially the sieberi 'Ronald Gins.' I love these sieberi forms with the markings on the outside. I haven't come across any yet but will try some from the next Crocus group list, in hope. :D
I'm surprised to find some of mine well into growth already even though it's been dry here for weeks and we could use good, steady rain. I lifted a few a while ago and there's already a lot of root and top sprouting on biflorus subspecies.
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One we took a long time to find, C. sieberi Tricolor. Much better than I imgined.
johnw
John, superb potful and lovely photos :D
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Graeme, a wonderful view of C Roseus but all three crocus are unusual and wonderful.
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Tommie?
The sheaths say this is a tommie that was supplied as minimus ::) The flowers are very nice shade of blue with white bases and tubes
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Mark,
another case of "Impurity"? :(
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This year it took too long ,but at last here the first one ...
Crocus olivieri subsp. balansae
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....a long wait, Kris, but very much worth it to have your crocus season begin!
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Crocus olivieri subsp. balansae is a very good colour combination.
Armin I think if all in the pot were tommies I would be happy. Tomorrow I must beat the sun to get a photo of the flower closed.
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A nice potful Kris !
Better late than never ;)
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After showing my possible tommie, supplied as minimus, I woke at 2.30am wondering if other winter/spring flowering Crocus have 'snake skin' sheaths and could my Crocus be something else?
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Kris
Will you be separating out the few 'speckled' plants. I like these even more than the 'striped' olivieri balansae.
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After showing my possible tommie, supplied as minimus, I woke at 2.30am wondering if other winter/spring flowering Crocus have 'snake skin' sheaths and could my Crocus be something else?
Well its not a snowdrop that's for certain :D
It IS a tommy - like it or not ::)
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Thanks Tony.
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Mark,
how would you call your tommie with the 'snake skin' sheaths?
Maybe "Crocodile Dundee Tommy" ;D
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-14°C last night outside, in the greenhouse -9°C
some hours later open flowers
Cr.biflorus ssp.?? Belpinar Gec, Turkey
Cr.sieheanus, grown from a single plant in over 10 years
Cr.sieberi ssp.sieberi
Cr. '' ssp.sublimis
and two pics from Cr.sieberi ssp.sublimis x gargaricus, it's a dream
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Nice C. biflorus ssp.?? and C. sieheanus!
Here Crocus are going over very fast :'( too warm in the day. Good for me but not the Crocus. Most are lasting only a day or two.
This year I must feed my tommies very well most have one flower only per corm.
All Crocus and Galanthus fed today with tomato food.
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-14°C last night outside, in the greenhouse -9°C
some hours later open flowers
Cr.biflorus ssp.?? Belpinar Gec, Turkey
Cr.sieheanus, grown from a single plant in over 10 years
Cr.sieberi ssp.sieberi
Cr. '' ssp.sublimis
and two pics from Cr.sieberi ssp.sublimis x gargaricus, it's a dream
Dirk, did you create the sieberi sublimis x gargaricus cross, or was it bee-induced? It is indeed a dream crocus, beautiful coloring. It gives me some ideas about playing with pollen this season when I'm still unemployed. All your other crocus are beautiful too... I don't think I've seen sieheanus before, so many beautiful Turkish crocus.
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Mark Mc, this cross is created with a paintbrush.
A great part from my crocus flowering in the most years
before the bees fly. This is optimal.
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Dirk,
excellent croci. Your cross is a stunner! 8)
It looks the flower is larger then sieberi, is this correct?
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Yes Armin, so is it. ;D
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Dirk your crocus are superb :P
Your biflorus from Belpınar; I think It might be C. biflorus subsp. atrospermus! Did you check the seeds?
Last week I have seen a atrospermus location they were not so dark like yours but maybe yours is a selected form!
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I missed the hybrid. Good combination of cream and blue
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Hello Ibrahim,
here is a pic with the outside from Cr.bifl.ssp.?? Belpinar Gec.
and my Cr.bifl.ssp.atrospermus from Tuzlabeli Gec.( sorry, not the best pics)
It is a great difference,
but by Cr.biflorus is all possibly.
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Outstanding :)
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Dirk beautiful plants. The hybrid is wonderful.
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Kris
Will you be separating out the few 'speckled' plants. I like these even more than the 'striped' olivieri balansae.
Very good idea Arthur, not thought ! I think there are only two but your sharp eyes detect both.
Thank you .We can talk it over in november ... :D
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Lovely stuff Dirk.
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Dirk, That seems quite different than Tuzlabeli but Belpınar is a atrospermus location :-\. Where I have seen this subspecies, They all have dark spot at the base of outer petals (like yours) and they were very small. If you just check the seeds in sipring that may help lots. I think most importan feature for this subspecies black seeds!
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This is my Crocus
minimus tommasinianus, again. It's very nice in bud.
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A lovely selection Dirk and makes me wish to get our coming winter over quickly. I have both sieberi ss sublimis and gargaricus so will bring out my paint brush too.
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Kris
Will you be separating out the few 'speckled' plants. I like these even more than the 'striped' olivieri balansae.
Very good idea Arthur, not thought ! I think there are only two but your sharp eyes detect both.
Thank you .We can talk it over in november ... :D
I am looking forward to it. :) :)
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Using the words of Gordon Ramsey - sieberi sublimis x gargaricus done!
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Stunning series of Crocus Dirk !!! :o :o
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Using the words of Gordon Ramsey - sieberi sublimis x gargaricus done!
I thought Gordon Ramsey's vocabulary was richer than that :P
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Using the words of Gordon Ramsey - sieberi sublimis x gargaricus done!
I hope that's the ONLY word of Gordon Ranmsey's that you're using Mark. :D
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My crocus season is coming to the end,a few in flower today
Crocus sieberi three forms
Crocus biflorus ssp pulchricolor
Crocus pestalozzae
Crocus cvijicii
Crocus peristericus
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Tony,
superb croci in pots! :D 8)
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I agree with Armin - superb, Tony :)
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My crocus season is coming to the end,a few in flower today
A very worthy Grand Finale Tony !!
Only 5 odd months or so before the autumn Crocus' are there !! ;)
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Today I saw my greenhouses after 10 days out of home. Regardless of snowing in some moments sun shined warming up the air, but now again is minus 6 C. During my absence the temperature dropped up to minus 24 for one night. Fortunately I left orders and pots were again covered by glass-wool sheets. How it looks outside - you can see on the first two pictures. Some people think that this year snow will stay up to May.
As I commented Crocus chrysanthus 'Uschak Orange' this morning - here the picture of one pot grown inside, although it is completely hardy. Pot is 15x15x20 cm, in it is planted 12 corms.
This spring for first time bloomed Crocus chrysanthus corm collected when it was out of flowers between Muģla and Kale, in spring 2008. Now I have true black anthered chrysanthus for cross with SUNSPOT - hope it will start blooming tomorrow or day after.
When I left home Crocus baytopiorum was with large colored buds, now it blooms.
Greatest surprises and joy was brought by two entries blooming for the first time
Crocus biflorus from Iran (WHIR-164). Could be subsp. adamii, but color so unusual!
And as last today most possibly hybrid between C. chrysanthus and C. biflorus isauricus from "Natures Breeding Station" near Akseki (unfortunately it seems that this unique locality lives last years - the land is divided for house building developers (about this later in my travel report).
Janis
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Janis,
marvelous croci photos. The one from Iran is a real stunner 8)
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Janis,
marvelous croci photos. The one from Iran is a real stunner 8)
Janis, such good news and gorgeous croci. I second Armin's pick of the Crocus biflorus from Iran, but my first pick woul be the C. chrysanthus and C. biflorus isauricus cross, the yellow feathering on white on the backs is most pleasing.
Janis, there was an earthquake in Turkey while you were there, I trust you were not close to the epicenter?
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Janis,
marvelous croci photos. The one from Iran is a real stunner 8)
Janis, such good news and gorgeous croci. I second Armin's pick of the Crocus biflorus from Iran, but my first pick woul be the C. chrysanthus and C. biflorus isauricus cross, the yellow feathering on white on the backs is most pleasing.
Janis, there was an earthquake in Turkey while you were there, I trust you were not close to the epicenter?
We were just near the epicenter (50 km distance) but a day before!!! So we got information by telephone call from home and two days later saw on Turkish TV during dinner in hotel.
Janis
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So pleased you are safe and well Janis. This seems to be an especially rich year for earthquakes in many parts of the world. I can imagine that New Zealanders who live in Wellington, the capital, are shaking in their shoes as they are said to be due "the big one" any day soon. But we have a fault line just 10 kms away off the Otago coast so I am not complacent about earthquakes at all.
I have to agree that the C biflorus ssp from Iran is most particularly beautiful. The delicate etching of yellow and blue/grey is truly exquisite.
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With a little sun and a rise in temperature my Sieberi Ronald Ginns opened more fully on Saturday.
Graeme
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Those are looking good, Graeme.... what time was the sun out? I think I must have blinked and missed it :P :-\
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Maggi,
According to my photograph properties, the sun was shining on Saturday 13 March 2010, 14:51
Sunday of course was pretty miserable
You must have blinked as you said.
Graeme
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Maggi,
According to my photograph properties, the sun was shining on Saturday 13 March 2010, 14:51
Sunday of course was pretty miserable
You must have blinked as you said.
Graeme
Aha! Good to have the details.... this allows me to confirm that, having got a bit damp earlier while out for a walk and having stood for a wee while in the cold wind at Mannofiled church to see a wedding party pose for photos, I got home and had a sneezing fit at the crucial time. :P ::)
Good to see the crocus in the town gardens coming out well now, isn't it? Have you been along Riverside to see how they're doing there?
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Maggi,
No - I haven't seen the ones along Riverside, but the ones in my grass are coming along fine.
Graeme
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They are indeed..... so much more fun than having them in the borders :)
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All the day again was snowing only in afternoon sky cleared ans sun started to shine. Good for pictures but too late and flowers didn't opened much. From other side - this and next night with clear sky are offered minus 20 C... Brr...
But few nice blooms I can share with you - on first picture you can see Crocus house inside, outside view I posted shortly before, nothing changed only snow mounts are higher.
The most beautiful this afternoon was this tiny (yet) beauty - Crocus chryusanthus from Gembos yaila near Akseki with black stigma resembling cv. 'Sunspot' but with nicely speckled flower segments outside. Hope tomorrow cross it with black anthered form picture of which I posted few days ago.
Another beauty - Crocus nevadensis.
If my crocuses will not be killed this night - tomorrow few more.
Janis
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Janis, the one with black anther should we accepte as a hybrid chrysanthus x b. nubigena or b. caricus or as a pure chrysanthus?
And thank you very much for informations about on Chrysantus Uschak.
So I have to be more attentive on chrysanthus!
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Janis, the one with black anther should we accepte as a hybrid chrysanthus x b. nubigena or b. caricus or as a pure chrysanthus?
And thank you very much for informations about on Chrysantus Uschak.
So I have to be more attentive on chrysanthus!
I don't think that it is hybrid. It was collected out of flowers, I think we were there too late for chrysanthus as on that locality C. fleischeri was in flowers yet. From this district Brian Mathew collected another black anthered chrysanthus, but we didn't find old road to those villages. The black anthered chrysanthus is pictured in Sheasbies marvellous book BULBOUS PLANTS OF TURKEY AND IRAN.
Janis
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Sheasbies marvellous book BULBOUS PLANTS OF TURKEY AND IRAN.
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Bulbous Plants of Turkey and Iran
A photographic guide
Peter Sheasby
280 pages, colour photos.
Alpine Garden Publications
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Some beautiful Crocuses are blooming in greenhouse today. Most interesting were C. chrysanthus with black connective on anthers, another one with black anthers and today opened flower with black stigma shown a little earlier in half opened stage.
Marvellous is the greenish shaded C. baytopiorum, far better than usual commercial form.
Crocus rujanensis widely opened its flowers as well as C. biflorus subsp. pseudonubigena.
Crocus abantensis is quite variable. This year the first starting flowering was dark form which I got from Gothenburg Botanical Garden.
But real gem of today was here, in my nursery maid C. x paulinae where I repeated natural cross between C. abantensis and C. ancyrensis.
Janis
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Janis,
x paulinae - wonderful maroon! 8) Congratulations!
Baytopiorum and rujanenis are brillant, too.
The black anthered chrysanthus has a very different style compared to the other forms, you mentioned earlier it is not hybrid, amazing.
I hope your intended cross pollination will be successful to breed a golden yellow chrysanthus with black anthers and style. ;) :D
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Jans,
x paulinae - wonderful maroon! 8) Congratulations!
Janis,
I agree with Armin, what a formidable flower !! Simply stunning !
Thanks for showing !
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Few more from today:
Here still in full bloom C. michelsonii
Very deep orange yellow toned seedling of Crocus korolkowii
Flower of C. danfordiae with 8 petals - it isn't permanent feature.
Two different forms of Crocus buflorus taurii
Crocus biflorus subsp. adamii from Armenia, Getahovit
and as last a pair of hybrids between C. biflorus isauricus and chrysanthus (one was shown before, too)
Janis
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Just when I'm thinking we must have seen them all, Janis comes up with the delicious speckled, black stigma form of chrysanthus, then the stunning x Paulinae. Now matter how many we see and grow, there's always something new and exciting. Many thanks for these Janis.
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Beautiful Crocus Janis ! Thanks for showing.
Today in flower here :
Crocus corsicus (pict 1,2,3 )
Crocus heuffelianus x 'WILDLIFE'
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Very nice Kris. Whether the plant with the yellow throat is actually C. corsicus or a hybrid has been debated before on the forum.
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Sheasbies marvellous book BULBOUS PLANTS OF TURKEY AND IRAN.
Bulbous Plants of Turkey and Iran
A photographic guide
Peter Sheasby
280 pages, colour photos.
Alpine Garden Publications
Is this book still available?
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Yes, McMark, ISBN 9780900048777
from the AGS,
http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/sales/books/bulbous/Bulbous+Plants+of+Turkey+Iran/179/
or from :
http://www.nhbs.com/title.php?bkfno=166045&ad_id=428
...maybe on Amazon, too... no, out of stock meantime.
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The crocus being shown here are fantastic. Janis, really like the chrysanthus forms with various black elements, and I have said it before but I'll say it again, C. baytopiorum (particularly your "best form") is probably the most beautiful crocus I've ever seen.
With C. x paulinae and biflorus isauricus x chrysanthus, I'm beginning to think almost any color combination is possible with Crocus... it's great being a croconut.
Is C. michelsonii tough enough to grow outdoors? Has anyone hybridized with it? It has such a unique look to it, I imagine hyrids with it could add something unique.
Kris, your C. corsicus pictures show off the flowers beatifully.
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The crocus being shown here are fantastic. Janis, really like the chrysanthus forms with various black elements, and I have said it before but I'll say it again, C. baytopiorum (particularly you "best form") is probably the most beautiful crocus I've ever seen.
With C. x paulinae and biflorus isauricus x chrysanthus, I'm beginning to think almost any color combination is possible with Crocus... it's great being a croconut.
Is C. michelsonii tough enough to grow outdoors? Has anyone hybridized with it? It has such a unique look to it, I imagine hyrids with it could add something unique.
Kris, your C. corsicus pictures show off the flowers beatifully.
Thanks. Mark,
More natural hybrids will be shown in my travel report. Colors really incredible. But this xpaulinae schoked even myself.
There were several attempts to interbreed Central Asian Crocus species trio (michelsonii, alatavicus and korolkowii) as they have identical chromosome numbers. I'm doing it every spring but still didn't succeed. I read about some seeds got, but never hear about real hybrids and didn't saw them. Ideas about white korolkowii as hybrid really is only very rare mutations of yellow korolkowii. There are something which not allows them to interbreed.
Crocus michelsonii I grew outside when I had garden based on coarse sand soil where soil surface drained out of water in quater of hour even very heavy shower. There it grew well. Now having clay based soil I lost it allways when planted outside.
Janis
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Finally came a little warmer days, although a little sun is shining. Crocuses develops very, very slowly. Seems that some frost damage happens and many flowers are smaller than usually. But they came one by other and may be slow development is better in those busy days. Taking out a pair of mixes in pots I checked roots and corms and they look normal. Hope that those with noses only at top of soil will come.
Now few more pictures:
Earlier I showed Crocus abantensis dark form, now the opposite - pure white pictured in wild and slightly bluish shaded from my collection. After those a pair of x paulinae - the first is from wild, the second the darkest from my seedlings.
Crocus michelsonii T4Z-1116 was collected in Iran by Gothenburg people - it is the latest of michelsonii in my collection.
Next is one of my C. korolkowii seedlings, but now I'm doubtful is it worth to keep it.
And again some extra beauties:
Another Crocus chrysanthus form with black connective, this case with striped back of petals R2CV-054
Following is plant which you show to others in January. Here it only started - it is famous C. chrysanthus 'Sunspot'.
And as last another hybrid between C. chrysanthus and biflorus isauricus - one of "gems" of my collection.
Janis
P.S. All will be posted by two mails.
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Other pictures
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JATU 069-11
:o :o :o :o :o
One to dream about owning
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JATU 069-11
One to dream about owning
It is VERY striking! I think the colour combination is lovely.... wonder how good it looks backlit in full sunshine?
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Some wonderful variations there.Makes me want to get the paintbrush out next year.
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JATU 069-11
:o :o :o :o :o
One to dream about owning
Sweet deams Arthur. :)
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And as last another hybrid between C. chrysanthus and biflorus isauricus - one of "gems" of my collection.
So, so beautiful - a real gem.
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A pot of Crocus pelistericus out at the moment
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:o :) :o :) :o
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Tony,
a beautiful clump of crocus pelistericus - a wunderful velvet violet. :o 8) 8) 8)
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Your photo is terrific, Tony, making those gorgeous crocus pelistericus look even more gorgeous :)
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Oh yes, a wonderful plant and photograph too.
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A pot of Crocus pelistericus out at the moment
Very striking !Great plant ,great shot Tony. :o :o :o
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thanks for your comments ,the weather has been kind and it has been a good year for the crocus.
Looking at my pelistericus I have noticed that some have dark anthers as in the photograph below. You will see that one has yellow and one dark. These have been grown from seed and so are different clones. Mathew mentions that sometimes the stigma is white and I have a plant of that form but says the anthers are yellow.
Not a new ssp I am sure.
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A glorious potful Tony !!!! Wonderful variation ... the dark anthers are amazing !
Janis,
Stunning Crocus !! I can only repeat what all the other forumists stated regarding JATU069-11 : a unique flower ! Never seen anything like it : what a little treasure !
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Wonderful plants, everyone. If one isn't a croconut already, you would most certainly become one, after viewing all the perfect plants in this thread.
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the spring is back, some flowers today
unusual late, a pale form from Crocus michelsonii, Kopet Dag, Iran
Cr.veluchensis x cvijicii `Rainbow Gold`, in my list this year
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Dirk "Rainbow Gold" nice.
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Lovely display Dirk.
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Rainbow Gold - wolf whistle :o
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the spring is back, some flowers today
unusual late, a pale form from Crocus michelsonii, Kopet Dag, Iran
Cr.veluchensis x cvijicii `Rainbow Gold`, in my list this year
That pale michelsonii is VERY beautiful, Dirk.
'Rainbow Gold ' is different...... you'd think there would be more blue colour in the rainbow, wouldn't you, with the veluchensis blood?
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Maggi, crosses between blue and yellow flowers bring often flowers in a brown colour,
see also Cr.paulinae.
Here some new flowers from these Saturday:
Crocus biflorus ssp.adami
michelsonii from Faruj, thanks Arthur
suaveolens
imperati, thanks Thomas
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A touch of sun and warmer temperatures today.
Along with some other people I note that quite a few of my crocus are pretty small this year –especially the corsicus and some of the olivieri ssp. balansae zwanenburg. We had a colder than normal winter and I presume this was the cause.
Graeme
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Cr.veluchensis x cvijicii `Rainbow Gold`, in my list this year
'Rainbow Gold ' is different...... you'd think there would be more blue colour in the rainbow, wouldn't you, with the veluchensis blood?
From the three batches I've grown from this cross (bees, not of my own making) some have been like Dirk's, some pale yellow and some entirely blue. The seed in each case has been taken from C. cvijicii. I've shown them before on the Forum.
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Gorgeous looking potfuls of crocus Udo and Graeme, thank you; seeing them together like this is a great way to learn about the differences and eventually learn to ID, I hope :)
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my green house is now empty of Crocus :'( :'( :'( All over for spring 2010
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more flowers:
Cr.aerius `Albus`, grown from wild coll.seed Soganli Gec, NE-Turkey
candidus var.subflavus, possibly a cross between candidus and olivieri
flavus from Bulgaria, a nice orange and good flourish form
the difference between Cr.imperati and suaveolens:
imperati with a short bract and bracteole, red style
suaveolens with a long bract, orange style
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Magnificent as always Dirk. Where did you find Crocus aerius albus? I only acquired the 'normal' form a couple of years ago.
Here the season is passing quickly in the warm weather. Hopefully the bees are pollinating for me while I am at work. The Six Pan shot below is from a week ago, the rest are within the last week.
Crocus vernus albiflorus is always one of the last to flower in cultivation. In the wild it can be seen in flower through the summer months, as least as late as July. I have been unkind about a form shown at AGS shows (and wrongly captioned as Crocus reticulatus in the latest AGS Bulletin.) Here are some different forms including the best I grow.
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A few more.
Crocus imperati suaveolens. Often an early flowering crocus, this year it has been part of the main flush.
Crocus kosaninii. Seed raised showing variation. Some are nicely feathered.
Crocus veluchensis. From Mt Parnassus where it meets Crocus sieberi, the supposed hybrids having been spectacularly illustrated here recently. This one lacks the yellow throat that characterises the 'hybrids' but it is in other ways more typical of C sieberi than C veluchensis. Perhaps a 2nd / 3rd generation back cross?
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Love your Crocus kosaninii, Tony, and the group of Crocus vernus albiflorus :)
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I have Crocus cvijicii 'Cream of Creams' out now.
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We only believe what we see Anthony... ;D ;D ;)
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It's in the greenhouse behind the garage where I park my DB9. ::)
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Magnificent as always Dirk. Where did you find Crocus aerius albus? I only acquired the 'normal' form a couple of years ago.
Here the season is passing quickly in the warm weather. Hopefully the bees are pollinating for me while I am at work. The Six Pan shot below is from a week ago, the rest are within the last week.
Crocus vernus albiflorus is always one of the last to flower in cultivation. In the wild it can be seen in flower through the summer months, as least as late as July. I have been unkind about a form shown at AGS shows (and wrongly captioned as Crocus reticulatus in the latest AGS Bulletin.) Here are some different forms including the best I grow.
Tony, i become from a friend some wild coll.seeds. After 3 years the first
flowers, three in blue and one in white. What for a happiness.
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I thought I would do something a little different with my still photos and made them into a little film - "Spring Crocus". I uploaded the film with music onto “You Tube” (It was my first ever upload).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_y6Cus1eiU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_y6Cus1eiU)
Maggi – If this sort of thing is not suitable for the forum please remove it.
Graeme
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Graeme,
nice video 8)
Like the way the camera zooming into the flower throat together with the relaxing music.
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I thought I would do something a little different with my still photos and made them into a little film - "Spring Crocus". I uploaded the film with music onto “You Tube” (It was my first ever upload).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_y6Cus1eiU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_y6Cus1eiU)
Maggi – If this sort of thing is not suitable for the forum please remove it.
Graeme
Wow, Graeme, you've made a great job of that, it looks super.... I've watched it twice already!
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Armin and Maggi - thanks
Graeme :)
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Graeme, I'm thinking.... you being so fond of crocus and having this rather fab film.... what about showing it at the Aberdeen group Members' night?
I presume you have it on a stick or somesuch and the projector etc will be there.....
what do you think? I think it will go down a treat as an illustration of a favourite plant! :) 8)
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Maggi,
I could easily do that - I've got a few like this so I'll select what I think is the best one(or ones)
Graeme
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Excellent, Graeme, that will be super!
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That was delightful Graeme and the music seemed just right for the video.
I wonder what flowers one might show to accompany "The Rite of Spring?" by Stravinsky. Something really spiky perhaps?
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I thought I would do something a little different with my still photos and made them into a little film - "Spring Crocus". I uploaded the film with music onto “You Tube” (It was my first ever upload).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_y6Cus1eiU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_y6Cus1eiU)
Graeme
Thanks Graeme, I love crawling inside crocus like that. Very relaxing. :D
Maggi, can we add sound to the SRGC avatars? :o
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McMark, as soon as Fred has cracked the problem of adding scent to the flower photos, I'm sure he'll get right on to the sound 8)
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McMark, as soon as Fred has cracked the problem of adding scent to the flower photos, I'm sure he'll get right on to the sound 8)
I hope Fred is working on the scent feature, I keep scratching and sniffing the screen on some of the daphne postings ;D
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5093.msg143793#msg143793
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Crocus cvijicii 'Cream of creams' and C. heuffelianus 'Dark Eyes'.
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Crocus cvijicii 'Cream of creams' and C. heuffelianus 'Dark Eyes'.
Anthony, are those seedlings in your 'Dark Eyes' pot? Did you grow from seed?
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Crocus cvijicii 'Cream of creams' and C. heuffelianus 'Dark Eyes'.
Both belongs to my best selections, but here still only deep yellow cvijicii on a pair of pots showed noses. CREAM OF CREAMS allways comes later. From heufelianus only CARPATHIAN WONDER at present showed noses here. We still had snowing all the day yesterday, but today is deep fog and finally offered real warming at weekend without minus degrees in night. So outside beds still covered by deep snow.
Janis
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So you got there in the end Anthony !! ;D ;D
It was worth the trouble - gorgeous cream coloured cvijcii !!
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Anthony, are those seedlings in your 'Dark Eyes' pot? Did you grow from seed?
'Dark Eyes' is from Janis, and the leaves will be offsets.
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Few crocuses pictured today. Fortunately it is cool and development not very fast.
Crocus cyprius now is in full bloom more than week. Looks that overwintered far better than previous winter.
Crocus korolkowii I'm representing by twp opposites new 'Snow Leopard' and very old 'Dytiscus'
Those Crocus reticulatus are from same locality near Pyatigorsk, Stavropol district, N. Caucasus, Russia - how different they are!
'Snow Crystall' is one of my best seedlings of chrysanthus/biflorus group
'Juurpils' from same group is raised by famous Latvian Tulip breeder Juris Egle
And as last today - pot with seedlings from my C. sieberi 'Cretan Snow' (back of petals more variable.
Janis
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Few crocuses pictured today. Fortunately it is cool and development not very fast.
Crocus cyprius now is in full bloom more than week. Looks that overwintered far better than previous winter.
Crocus korolkowii I'm representing by twp opposites new 'Snow Leopard' and very old 'Dytiscus'
Those Crocus reticulatus are from same locality near Pyatigorsk, Stavropol district, N. Caucasus, Russia - how different they are!
'Snow Crystall' is one of my best seedlings of chrysanthus/biflorus group
'Juurpils' from same group is raised by famous Latvian Tulip breeder Juris Egle
And as last today - pot with seedlings from my C. sieberi 'Cretan Snow' (back of petals more variable.
Janis
Janis, each and every one is a complete gem! :o :o :o Your C. 'Snow Crystall' is a sumptious delight, such full rounded blooms. Looking at the variability of sieberi 'Cretan Snow' hybrids makes me glad I'm not working, so I could go out today and dab pollen on my crocus... the fun and excitement is imagining what sort of hybrids I might see in 4 years. I don't have as much "gene pool" to work with, but several forms of malyi, angustifolius, and imperati suaveolens lent their pollen.
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'Snow Leopard' is exquisite and I also love 'Juurpils.' Thank you Janis. :D
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Few from today
Crocus almehensis, close to chrysanthus but from Iran and with much wider leaves.
Selection of C. abantensis named by me as 'Acaban's Escaper'
and
several aquisitions of Crocus aerius but all from surroundings of Zigana pass, showing variability of this exceptionally beautiful crocus.
Janis
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On two entries several subspecies of Crocus biflorus but as first - how looks my Crocus bed (flowering part) today.
The first is type subsp. from Italy
Follows subsp. atrospermus
subsp. fibroannulatus comes from NE Turkey, from old lava-fields, very recently described.
subsp. nubigena and pseudonubigana - both with black anthers
Janis
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subsp. pulchricolor usually is dark purple, this white specimen was found not far from Bolu on road to Nallihan
subsp. stridii is spring blooming, black anthered subspecies from Greece
Last on this entry Dirk's hybrid 'Rainbow Gold'.
Janis
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On two entries several subspecies of Crocus biflorus but as first - how looks my Crocus bed (flowering part) today.
The first is type subsp. from Italy
Follows subsp. atrospermus
subsp. fibroannulatus comes from NE Turkey, from old lava-fields, very recently described.
subsp. nubigena and pseudonubigana - both with black anthers
Janis
Janis, I see that you have a few crocus in that greenhouse :o :o :o :o :o
What wonders you have, C. abantensis 'Acaban's Escaper', I'd like to have it "escape" to my yard ;D, and while at it, maybe the delicate beauty C. biflorus stridii, with the outer dark purple feathering looking like gray etching from above, can "stride" on over to my yard. The biflorus nubigena always "takes the cake" doesn't it, such a dazzling show-stopper. Thank you for continuing to tantalize and feed the croconut lust.
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Today were sun. So Crocuses widely opened. In first two pictures view of my collection - the first is commercial greenhouse (in front C. gargaricus, light yellow is danfordiae and follows herbertii - another almost orange), second picture shows greatest part of my collection.
After that again Crocus korolkowii SNOW LEOPARD but this time with fully opened flowers
Next two - Crocus korolkowii APRICOT - most unusualy colored form (not find by me)
Janis
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Janis,
marvelous crocus views on your collection and commercial greenhouse.
'Apricot' is lovely. 8)
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Wonderful Janis - I love the apricot one.
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Few more crocuses of today
Crocus dalmaticus
Two different stocks of Crocus hittiticus
Beautifully blooms C. sieberi x George (mutation of Hubert Edelsten selected by Willem van Eeden)
Crocus paschei and
Crocus kerndorfiorum
Janis
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Janis, really great pictures, especially the forms from korolkowii
here some from my last flowers this spring:
Crocus corsicus, Mt Cinto
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The last for today
Crocus leichtlinii
Crocus imperatii from Thomas Ch.
Two forms of suaveolens
And for tommy fans
Eric Smith - for the first time I have it with 8 petals, as it must to be
and two of John Grimshaw selections
Pink and
Pink with buff back of petals.
Some others tomorrow (too tired today)
Janis
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Janis,
thank you for showing us such rare treasures your collection like Crocus paschei, kerndorfiorum, hitticus and leichtlinii. :o
I do not know much about kerndorfiorum and leichtlinii. Were do they naturally grow and what are the conditions to please them?
My favourites for the garden would be damaticus, imperati and sieberi x George. :D
Dirk,
this is a nice form of corsicus. 8)
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Hi all,
Wonderful photos above. While I'm here, I wonder if I can call on the collective Crocus expertise present. below is a picture of the leaves of Crocus heuffelianus 'Carpathian Wonder'. Is it virused? I am worried and would like to confirm. This is the first year I've had it, and my other Crocus seem OK.
On this topic, does anybody know whether leonticoides Corydalis suffer virus in cultivation? i have one C. macrocentra which has rather diffuse paler patches on some leaves, but nothing like the well-delineated colour breaks seen in e.g. the above pic. Am I right in thinking viruses are usually associated with sharp colour breaks like this? The Corydalis is very vigorous, anyway.
Thanks for any help!
Alex
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Hi all,
Wonderful photos above. While I'm here, I wonder if I can call on the collective Crocus expertise present. below is a picture of the leaves of Crocus heuffelianus 'Carpathian Wonder'. Is it virused? I am worried and would like to confirm. This is the first year I've had it, and my other Crocus seem OK.
On this topic, does anybody know whether leonticoides Corydalis suffer virus in cultivation? i have one C. macrocentra which has rather diffuse paler patches on some leaves, but nothing like the well-delineated colour breaks seen in e.g. the above pic. Am I right in thinking viruses are usually associated with sharp colour breaks like this? The Corydalis is very vigorous, anyway.
Thanks for any help!
Alex
Really I don't like such leaves (Crocus). They look suspicious. May be it is some nutrient problems as this isn't exact mosaic, but I would destroy those for safety problems.
Regarding Corydalis of Leonticoides - never saw and hear about viruses on them, but viruses can attach every kind of plants. With Leonticoides Corydalis more likely seem some growing problems, they are not very easy to keep in pots, very careful watering needed to keep just wet but not moist and not to overheat in sunny days. They are some of most difficult Corydalis for growing. In some seasons I lost most of them - suddenly leaves start to wilt and you can do nothing. I harvested them early - they dries out in box, left in box without watering - they rot. It is the reason why I don't like to offer them in catalogue - I never know will I have tubers at selling time or not. At dispatching time I'm carefully checking tubers - are they started to make some development at growing points and selling only plants which show life.
With Leonticoides it is easier to keep them healthy as they increase generally from seeds, and seedlings allways will be healthy, but in most cases you need two plants for seed crop as most of them are selfsterile. Sometimes you can get some seed from single plant but then I hardly recommend additional handpollinating. The best to use toothpick, make it not so sharp, then moisten by saliva and push in all flowers one by other. It works well (learned this in Gothenburg BG). Not so easy with cultivars.
Janis
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Today is raining all the time, snow quickly melts and all ditches are full with crazy streams. Several places are flooded. So pictures today actually are photographed yesterday.
Allways I wait with impatience coming up of incredible form of C. ancyrensis with brownish shaded color. Now I tend to think that it may be is natural hybrid with some other species as it is with C. x paulinae.
Abundantly blooms box with Crocus antalyensis seedlings. Careful examination of seedlings surprised me with great amount of plants with white stigmas. In forum a little earlier was listed new subsp. striatus with slightly striped petals, but knowing variability in crocuses, this feature is a little doubtful. Another feature was white well divided stigma - but here you can see that color of stigma varies greatly between seedlings. Most surprised I was for few pure white flowers between blue ones. Enlarging digital photo was clearly visible that stigma is well divided. Something surprising is well rounded flower segments which typical antalyensis usually are more slender. Those seedlings came from plants bought from Willem van Eeden in Holland who first introduced this species in cultivation. Unfortunately mother plants were lost in hard winter, so I can't to check more their variability.
Janis
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I have very few selections of open pollinated Dutch so named Crocus chrysanthus cultivars.
One of my favourites is this one, named 'Charmer'
Very nice is form of Crocus chrysanthus from former Yugoslavia named 'Macedonian Ivory'
This one (P-8227) natural hybrid between chrysanthus and biflorus was discovered in wild by Erich Pasche
Very variable in color is population of some Crocus biflorus subsp. on Mazikiran gec. in Turkey. Never was there at blooming time, but few collected corms show their variation from pure white to deep purple, although dominates light blue plants, may be in nature it looks differently.
Just started flowering one of brightest crocuses - C. cvijicii. This one is grown up from Archibald seeds and is the earliest of my cvijicii samples.
Janis
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Two samples of Crocus biflorus subsp. weldenii - both from former Yugoslavia - the first from Croatia, the second from Slovenia
Crocus biflorus subsp. leucostylosus is quite recently described and as you can suggest from its name - has prominent white stigma.
Last three on this entry shows variability of one of the smallest crocuses - Crocus danfordiae. White forms usually has light bluish shaded back of petals. Blue ones are not so often (at least as I observed them in wild). Yellows mostly are of such something pale color (the left plant has 11 petals, but it isn't permanent feature), but can be deeper yellow, too. Never met with shining yellow flowers of C. chrysanthus color, although such are just recently described from Iran as subsp. kurdica.
Janis
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Although tiny in size, Crocus fleischeri is marvellous for its bright red stigmatic branches shining over glistening white flower segments. My favourites are specimens with purple stripe over back of flower segments.
Crocus gargaricus is another species with almost orange flowers but following form of Crocus olivieri subsp. olivieri can compete with it in brightnest of color and ideal flower form.
Crocus heuffelianus Carpathian Wonder allways attracts attention by its refined beauty
Janis
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And in last entry for today (and may be for some following days, if weather will not improve) -
At first once more Crocus reticulatus variability from surroundings of Pyatigorsk in Stavropol district, N Caucasus. Incredibly bright flowers. Earlier I supposed that forms from Bessarabia are the best, but this one (lilac) surpass all seen before.
Next is the best C. sieberi ever seen by me, smaller but more refined replica of 'Hubert Edelsten' and most important - fertile. Many thanks to John F. who sent me this beauty!
Following is the best C. vitellinus grown by me. Origin is unknown.
And last two again for "tommy" lovers - two more selections made by John Grimshaw.
Janis
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Janis,
fascinating crocus collection with exceptional beauties :o 8) 8) 8)
Many thanks for showing us.
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Janis a wonderful selection .Many thanks for showing them,they are great to see.
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Janis great selection and wonderful photos,
For subsp. striatus I am also surprised!! mine antalyensis with white stigma was from Bilecik quite north from described locations, one of yours is from Gündoğmuş quite east and I have two forms from near described area one has orange stigma the second one not checked yet!
I checked tunics from pics but I can't see any difference. Of course your babies also mixed!. So I think the stigma is not a important feature for antalyensis. I will check the corms in summer. :-\
You may have reason for doubt!
Biflorus subsp. from Mazıkıran Sivas; from this province the known biflorus is subsp. tauri but I am not sure for yours! and the variation of tauri is too large. first I have to draw edge of tauri variation.
Your biflorus subsp. leucostylosus is very nice. It seems very near to subsp. punctatus without any markings on outer petals. Even distribution should be close to punctatus, that area called Psidia!
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Crocus heuffelianus CARPATHIAN WONDER pots today and
a pair of seedlings from it selected from self-saen plants by my Estonian friend Taavi Tuulik (#1 and #4 - others still coming)
At end Crocus scepusiensis from Colin Mason, reported as collected in Polland
More and more samples of C. cvijicii start blooming.
Janis
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Janis, the Carpathian Wonder seedlings are nice. The leaves look like giant dutch vernus type.
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Janis, the Carpathian Wonder seedlings are nice. The leaves look like giant dutch vernus type.
May be other parent is Dutch Large crocus. They are selfsowm seedlings.
Janis
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Wow, Taavi has produced some nice offspring from 'Carpathian Wonder'.
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Some more of Crocus antalyensis now blooms in pots (I'm not growing it outsuide as it is not sufficiently hardy. They show the variability of color, petal shape.
Janis
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Some variability of Crocus hittiticus.
Form baught from Norman Steven
Form from Michael Kammerlander with stippled back of tepals
My favourite - form collected during SASA trip, sample SASA-022
Janis
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That last hittiticus is especially attractive with the dark markings and anthers.
I prefer the original 'Carpathian Wonder' to its seedlings. In a mass like that it is exceptionally fine.
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Yes, I think I agree on both counts Lesley.
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I also agree : nothing beats the original C.Wonder !!
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On first picture Crocus received from John Grimshaw as cv. 'E. A. Bowles' - but name isn't correct.
Other 3 pictures shows variability of C. graveolens. It is reported as with unplesant smell, but two samples has nice honey smell, the third is without any odour.
Jaqnis