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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: bulborum on March 01, 2010, 09:35:11 AM
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I bought this one as Galanthus mrs.backhouse 12 the leaves look like G. elwesii small form
Roland
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I wouldnt complain. Mrs Backhouse is a rather plain snowdrop. This is a lovely green tipped, good inner marked ?elwesii hybrid
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Hi, Roland, wlecome to the Forum! Please tell us where you garden and what are your favourite plant species...... from your user-name, I'm thinking bulbs.... but which bulbs?? :)
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I found some better pictures on my other pc.
Plant is just out of flower so no inner pictures and
of course I am happy it is a beauty.
I grow some botanical bulbs many of them of wild origin
from seed like Crocus , Cyclamen , Polygonatum , Corydalis
and , and , and .................................
many of them for shady places
Roland
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A couple of mine in the garden have lost labels, can anyone have a guess at what they might be
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David,I think you are catching it ;D
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pass for the all green inner.
What does the outside of the inners of unknown 2 look like?
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Don't know Mark, will have a look tomorrow, the flower is a bit "beat up".
Only a very mild dose Michael :P
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Keep taking the tablets. ;D
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Got this Snowdrop many years ago from a Czech Rockgarden friend as Galanthus spec.
collected from Caucasus. The plants grow rather slow and are not very floriferous.
Can anybody of the expert maybe identify it?
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Oops, here is the picture :
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Rudi do you have a photo of the flower from a different angle?
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Mark, the plant is in our meadow garden, I will take a photo, when I will visit in some days again.
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David, could Unknown 2 be woronowii?
(... or maybe I should just shut up :-X after the cyclamen fiasco ;D)
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A couple of mine in the garden have lost labels, can anyone have a guess at what they might be
The second one does look like woronowii.
As for the first one, did you buy Tubby Merlin at some point?
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Thanks Martin, yes I think it is Tubby Merlin I faintly remember buying a bulb last year.
Thanks Martin and Ashley I do think my other lost label is woronowii. I did take another picture of the inners today but it's so bad I daren't post it but I have compared it to the pic shown on Mark's Site and it seems to be the one.
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I found this elwesii in the garden with no label!
Any ideas!
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I always imagine that an elwesii with such a nivalis-like marking is actually a nivalis-elwesii hybrid. Could it be an accidental hybrid or must it be a named variety?
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It does have a long face but I dont think I have ever seen it before
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Got this Snowdrop many years ago from a Czech Rockgarden friend as Galanthus spec.
collected from Caucasus. The plants grow rather slow and are not very floriferous.
Can anybody of the expert maybe identify it?
Looks like G. rizehensis. Most of the plants in cultivation in UK are from Turkey this one looks to have a larger flower. People who have seen them in the wild might be able to comment.
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I thought i had bought this one as a named one and forgot where it stood in the garden, maybe its a new one!
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For me it looks like G. elwesii var. monostictus
The pictures are from G. elwesii var. monostictus which I bought in a wholesale store
probably wild collected bulbs. I bought the whole bag in 2008 with 250 bulbs and You see
the result.
the close-up is G. rizehensis
Roland
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For me it looks like G. elwesii var. monostictus...
Nice picture, Roland; but if Gerard's mystery snowdrop is a pure elwesii then it is var. monostictus (meaning a single mark) by definition. All your photographs show interesting variations on the monostictus theme (apart from the albino which is more of a none-ostictus). I just thought the mark on Gerard's snowdrop looked particularly nivalis-like.
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That is what i thought too Alan.
Very nice pics of those different monosticti, esspecially the nonstictus albino Roland!
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Pity but it is not an albino as you can see in the details
but still not a bad plant I was happy to see it in flower
hoop-fully it will set seeds
Roland
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Roland Sibbertoft White, also an albino, keeps very small marks like your elwesii
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Got this Snowdrop many years ago from a Czech Rockgarden friend as Galanthus spec.
collected from Caucasus. The plants grow rather slow and are not very floriferous.
Can anybody of the expert maybe identify it?
Looks like G. rizehensis. Most of the plants in cultivation in UK are from Turkey this one looks to have a larger flower. People who have seen them in the wild might be able to comment.
Second thoughts it might be lagodechianus. "The only species that one is likely to confuse with Galanthus rizehensis is the closely related G. lagodechianus. Indeed these species are sometimes so similar that is difficult to tell them apart" (Davis 'The Genus Galanthus').
My geography isn't all that hot but rizehensis has a distribution in 'the Western Transcaucasus while lagodechianus comes from high altitude locations in the |Caucasus
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Any thoughts on this would be most gratefull.
This very large flowered Snowdrops has appeared through a large Daphne and must have been there for some time as a small clump has developed .I can find no sign of a label and it is possible this is a seedling.
Flowers are as large if not larger than any snowdrop in my collection or any I have seen before. :o :o :o
Eric
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I could be wrong but to me it looks like an extremely well marked elwesii Green Tip. If it isnt it's one of the best green tips I've seen
http://www.snowdropinfo.com/elwesii-greentip.html (http://www.snowdropinfo.com/elwesii-greentip.html)
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These flowers measure around 40 cm x 40 cm and gave me a real if pleasant surprise when I noticed them yesterday. :o :o :o I DO MEAN 40MM OF COARSE :-[
Eric
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15 inches! It isn’t a snowdrop; it’s a misshapen lily!
Chad.
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Any thoughts on this would be most gratefull.
This very large flowered Snowdrops has appeared through a large Daphne and must have been there for some time as a small clump has developed .I can find no sign of a label and it is possible this is a seedling.
Flowers are as large if not larger than any snowdrop in my collection or any I have seen before. :o :o :o
Eric
Good grief Eric what are you feeding that Daphne? 40mm is a big one.
johnw
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Very nice green tipped snowdrop Eric. I don't recognise it as one I have seen before. Very nice. 8)
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yes I think also Galanthus elwesii var elwesii greentip see the tiny green marks on top
and I add some pictures I just took in the tunnel at -2° C cold night in Normandy
I forgot to refill the heater
Tomorrow I go to Kent and hope to find some nice Cyclamen and snowdrops
Roland
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Please forgive a newbie ignorant question.
Is 'elwesii Green Tip' a clone or a descriptive term for any elwesii with a green tip?
The stunning plants in the Daphne and Roland’s pictures have completely different marks on the inners.
Chad.
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I just looked in the book and see elwesii Green Tip isnt listed
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Hallo Chad
Normally greentip is not a clone
as soon as it has a name it is a clone
My pictures just have collection numbers
for example 02-109 is a clone number 109 from 2002
seedlings from this clone for example 02-109/081
08 is 2008 number 1
as soon one is good enough you give the clone a name
Roland
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Hello there,
I'm new to this forum and to snowdrops in general. We have loads in our garden, but they seem to be mainly ordinary singles and doubles - except, that is, this one. To my untrained eye it looks different from the other singles - it has emerged later and the green marks are denser and broader and to me looks a bit like a flying bat when viewed upside down. It is not as tall as the other singles growing next to it (though they may seem shorter only because they are at an earlier stage of development) and the leaves are quite bluey-green. I have had a look though some of the excellent Galanthus websites, but I cannot tell which one mine resembles the most - Compton Court maybe? Maybe members of the forum could point me in the right direction?
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Hi Susanne,
Welcome to the SRGC website; delighted to have you with you and especially so as you have an interest in snowdrops.
I'm afraid I always hesitate to suggest names for mystery snowdrops not being as brave as others in this regard. However, I'm sure one of the more experienced and sharp-eyed members will come along and give you a name very quickly,
Looking forward to having you on the forum and to more photographs of your snowdrops and garden.
Best wishes, Paddy
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I dont think it is Compton Court or any of the tall chunky single mark snowdrops
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Welcome Susanne, it's nice to have someone else from God's own acres on the Forum.
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Welcome Susanne, it's nice to have someone else from God's own acres on the Forum.
Oh god, we'll never hear the end of this now. Yorkshire Club now opening. (LOL)
Paddy
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Gordon, thanks for the replies Nr. 19 and 26. As the plants are definitely collected
from the Caucasus, I think you are right with G. lagodechianus, there is quite a
long distance from turkish Rizeh and the caucasian mountains. Could not take more
photos, because the snow cover.
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15 inches! It isn’t a snowdrop; it’s a misshapen lily!
Chad.
I do of coarse mean 40 MM and have ammended. :-[
It would look super though at 40CM, what a thought. ;)
Thanks for all your thoughts,perhaps it deserves a name. :)
Eric
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I would wait and see what it does next year.
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I dont think it is Compton Court or any of the tall chunky single mark snowdrops
Thanks, Mark!
I realise, having discovered further websites that describe the habits of the various snowdrops, that I got that quite wrong based on just photos of the different snowdrops - Compton Court being a tall early variety and mine being an short--ish late one! I put one in water overnight hoping it would open more to allow a better picture of the green mark (which has a yellow tinge to the upper edge, I notice), but it seems to be one of the more demure varieties. It hasn't open nearly as much as the ordinary single picked at the same time. Anyhow I've added another photo to show the shape of the green mark a bit better.
On a different note - through a friend I have been offered a "Scottish Garden" - has anyone heard of such a variety?
I ordered a copy of the snowdrops monograph last Tuesday, and I'm still waiting impatiently for Amazon to dispatch it - hence the rather naive questions...
Susanne
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The unknown with the small apical mark thought to be rizehensis or lagodechianus can't be either. Both species have narrower bright green leaves.
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The unknown with the small apical mark thought to be rizehensis or lagodechianus can't be either. Both species have narrower bright green leaves.
Davis gives the leaf colour for lagodechianus as 'bright to dark green,glossy to matt or infrequently becoming very slightly glaucescent' and the leaf width at flowering as 0.5-1cm. Given that the plant is of known wild origin (in the Caucasus) appears to have aplanate vernation and a single mark it still seems to me reasonable to ascribe it to lagodechianus.
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Could anyone confirm whether or not this is Upcher. I purchased it (Upcher) in the 90's from RHS Halls and have moved it but it looks suspiciously like Augustus growing near. Any opinions?
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Lynda,
Have a look at the "Galanthus March 2010" where a good photograph of 'Augustus' was posted today. This will give you something with which to compare.
I'm afraid I couldn't comment on your snowdrop from the photograph you posted.
Paddy
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Susanne (Yorkshirelass)
You must realise that whilst there are now over a thousand named snowdrops, there must be many many millions of unnamed ones. Even if you have a snowdrop that very closely resembles a named cultivar, it would be wrong to attribute the name of that cultivar to it unless you have a very strong secondary reason (for example you know you bought one of that name but don't remember where you planted it). Your snowdrop has a longer than normal ovary and a thicker than normal marking for a nivalis but unless you have a reason to believe otherwise it is best to assume it is not a named cultivar. Of course, if it has enough merit it could one day gain a name of its own but we already have so many named snowdrops that new ones really do need to be exceptional.
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Many of us who have become interested in snowdrops have found a snowdrop that in our early days struck us as interesting but which we have subsequently come to realise is not all that unusual or special. This certainly happened to me, although the story has a happy ending.
Some years ago, I found two snowdrops amongst the many growing in my local churchyard that drew my attention. They both had particularly broad leaves, one was a good tall variety and the other was rather quirkily short by comparison. With permission I was allowed to lift a few of each and transfer them to my garden. The tall broad-leaved one I had so admired never grew as tall or as broad in my garden, has only clumped up slowly and does not have any other interesting features so really proved to be unworthy of interest. The small one that I had initially regarded as a curiosity turned out to be a really good doer and has bulked up very well. It also has an interesting tendency to produce extra petals, fused ovaries or even an extra flower on the same scape. So it proved to have features of interest that I was wholly unaware of when I collected it! Still, I'm not sure if it is worth naming although I like it a lot myself.
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Its one of the reasons there are collection numbers
I normally never name a plant I prefer numbers
it tells you when you collect it
all my plants I find myself start with RGB
so I know its my own collection or selection
Roland
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Could anyone confirm whether or not this is Upcher. I purchased it (Upcher) in the 90's from RHS Halls and have moved it but it looks suspiciously like Augustus growing near. Any opinions?
If it looks like Augustus, tastes like Augustus, and quacks like Augustus, it may well be Augustus.
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It occurred to me after posting the previous comment that some visitors might find it a bit of a puzzle. I have adapted the birdwatching quote that goes
"If it looks like a duck, flies like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck" (Bill Oddie - I think - no connection between Bill and duck).
I think I should stop this and get back to work, packing and posting snowdrops to happy bidders.
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Looking here http://bigrab.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/if-it-looks-like-a-duck/ it would seem the phrase predates Bill Oddie.
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I prefer the Douglas Adams version; “If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands.” (from Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency )
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Many, many years ago in my teens, I was a very enthusiastic bird watcher and regularly went with a very experienced ornithologist when he was netting and ringing birds. Invariably, I would spout out excitedly that I had spotted something very rare, some passing warbler or the like, until one day in exasperation he shouted at me, "Paddy, whatever you see it's a bloody sparrow and don't call it anything different unless it comes with a certificate sticking out of its ar.e." Well, that curbed my enthusiasm for a while but its a good point - the ordinary and common is what you are more likely to encounter than the rare and unusual.
Paddy
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How true Paddy
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Thanks everyone!
I think now it must be Augustus BUT does anyone have a good pic of 'Upcher' so I can search around the garden. Google tells me there's one on Judy's website but the site won't open for me. Ever hopeful!
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I've got Upcher, was given to me many years ago but as so often happens there's no guarantee mine is right ;)
however it looks nothing like Augustus, the leaf is quite narrow, flower is small, dumpy and with a longish pedicel, it doesn't have the Augustus puckered outers.
pic I posted in the Feb thread
I'll take a pic this pm of the whole plant if it will help.
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Oh dear. That looks exactly like what I have marked as Galatea which I bought at the same time and subsequently moved at the same time too!
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The unknown with the small apical mark thought to be rizehensis or lagodechianus can't be either. Both species have narrower bright green leaves.
Davis gives the leaf colour for lagodechianus as 'bright to dark green,glossy to matt or infrequently becoming very slightly glaucescent' and the leaf width at flowering as 0.5-1cm. Given that the plant is of known wild origin (in the Caucasus) appears to have aplanate vernation and a single mark it still seems to me reasonable to ascribe it to lagodechianus.
So many unknowns on this thread I was looking at a different plant. I have several clumps of lagodechianus. These pics are mine from the old forum.
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I'll take a pic of the leaves later, once the snow that has been lying for nearly two weeks disappears.
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Oh dear. That looks exactly like what I have marked as Galatea which I bought at the same time and subsequently moved at the same time too!
is very different to galatea, well mine is ;)
flower is much smaller and paler/brighter green, see pics below.
100mm/16mm label for scale.
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Thanks Richard. My Galatea is certainly bigger than your Upcher so perhaps, at least, Galatea may be correct. Not to worry, I'll carry on researching or perhaps just searching.
With reference to the 'Lattice pots' thread, one reason I have started to put my specials into pots is the hope that I'll have more chance of keeping the label with the bulb.
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Here is the Upcher I got from Potterton and Martin quite some time ago. It certainly does not have the same straight-sided inner marking as the second shot of Upcher at Cerney House. The latter does match the one Richard posted, though the ovaries are quite different.
johnw
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Here are two photos taken today of what I bought some years ago as 'Titania'. I did a search on this form on Galanthus 'Titania', but I didn't find a thread with a conclusive photo of 'Titania' (Maggi: take notice of my search 8) )
Can anyone confirm whether this is 'Titania' or just another confusing greatorex double?
Sorry about the poor photo quality, I'm using a entry-level Nikon camera and it is terrible with white flowers.
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Really sorry everyone who might not like me saying this....... :-[
My personal feeling is that if you don't have the label and can't trace a bulb back to a reliable source then it's not right to then confidently put a label on that plant..... which may then be passed on in future years and be passed on again and end up in complete confusion over what is the correct clone of a plant way down the line.
If you like an 'unknown' in your garden it is great to enjoy it as an unknown that you like and think looks like **** ;D :-* But not to definitively label it as ****.
Sorry..... Hard day at work. ::)
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Really sorry everyone who might not like me saying this....... :-[
My personal feeling is that if you don't have the label and can't trace a bulb back to a reliable source then it's not right to then confidently put a label on that plant..... which may then be passed on in future years and be passed on again and end up in complete confusion over what is the correct clone of a plant way down the line.
If you like an 'unknown' in your garden it is great to enjoy it as an unknown that you like and think looks like **** ;D :-* But not to definitively label it as ****.
Sorry..... Hard day at work. ::)
This is large problem within many plant groups ,as it only takes one person to label a plant wrongly and once passed on the confusion gets worse. It does not help when even some of our so called "reputable" nurseries regularly send out wrongly named plants. >:( >:(
Eric
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May I add my two pennyworth to this mixed up thread. My galanthus lagodechianus flowered for the first time this year. In January the bud which had formed (1st photo) looked far too elegant for a lagodechianus. When it eventually opened I was delighted to find it was a poc. form (photos 2 and 3).
John(M)
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Looking here http://bigrab.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/if-it-looks-like-a-duck/ it would seem the phrase predates Bill Oddie.
Alan
That just illustrates the power of Google. Another example; a few weeks ago an episode of Lark Rise to Candleford had the reaper band on the edge of the cornfield and one starting the tune "Jacky boy? Master? Sing ye well? Very Well" etc, and sparked my recollection of that song from at least sixty years ago (yes, I know, I'm older than I look). I plugged the words into Google and Hey Presto, there's the song title and the rest of the words. You can even go on to Youtube and hear it played on the fiddle. Just astonishing.
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Can anyone confirm whether this is 'Titania' or just another confusing greatorex double?
Sorry about the poor photo quality, I'm using a entry-level Nikon camera and it is terrible with white flowers.
My "Titania" looks a lot like yours, and everything else ;D
Upcher looks like another naming minefield as well, no surprise really.
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Here is my Titania.
Might be able to take one of Upcher too later if it is in flower.
Eric
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........ My galanthus lagodechianus flowered for the first time this year. In January the bud which had formed (1st photo) looked far too elegant for a lagodechianus. When it eventually opened I was delighted to find it was a poc. form (photos 2 and 3).
John(M)
That's a beautiful looking flower, John, but it reminded me of the tale of Anglesey Abbey. This bright green-leaved nivalis was originally misidentified as lagodechianus and often produces poculiform flowers. Is there any chance you are the victim of the same misidentification and what you have is actually Anglesey Abbey? I don't know if any Anglesey Abbey was originally distributed as lagodechianus - perhaps some went to a nurseryman who is not a snowdrop specialist and never caught up with the revised nomenclature?
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Here is my Titania.
Might be able to take one of Upcher too later if it is in flower.
Eric
This looks to me to be a much nicer neater prettier 'Titania' than the one depicted by Mark - which looks too much like an ordinary nivalis flore pleno.
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Here is my Titania.
Might be able to take one of Upcher too later if it is in flower.
Eric
This looks to me to be a much nicer neater prettier 'Titania' than the one depicted by Mark - which looks too much like an ordinary nivalis flore pleno.
I purchased my Titania from the late Kath Dryden several years ago.
Eric
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Looking here http://bigrab.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/if-it-looks-like-a-duck/ it would seem the phrase predates Bill Oddie.
Alan
That just illustrates the power of Google. Another example; a few weeks ago an episode of Lark Rise to Candleford had the reaper band on the edge of the cornfield and one starting the tune "Jacky boy? Master? Sing ye well? Very Well" etc, and sparked my recollection of that song from at least sixty years ago (yes, I know, I'm older than I look). I plugged the words into Google and Hey Presto, there's the song title and the rest of the words. You can even go on to Youtube and hear it played on the fiddle. Just astonishing.
Steve, did you notice the obvious lines across the corn field where tractor wheels had flattened the corn for spraying! 8)
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Really sorry everyone who might not like me saying this....... :-[
My personal feeling is that if you don't have the label and can't trace a bulb back to a reliable source then it's not right to then confidently put a label on that plant..... which may then be passed on in future years and be passed on again and end up in complete confusion over what is the correct clone of a plant way down the line.
If you like an 'unknown' in your garden it is great to enjoy it as an unknown that you like and think looks like **** ;D :-* But not to definitively label it as ****.
Sorry..... Hard day at work. ::)
John, who are you directing your response to? There are several posts here looking for an ID. In my case, I received a plant as 'Titania'. If it is wrong, let me know here and I will correct it, as I have done elsewhere, with a crocus mis-ID for example. I think those who have less knowledge and experience than you on Galanthus are looking to your expertise, and the expertise of others, no chiding necessary. ???
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John, who are you directing your response to? There are several posts here looking for an ID.
In my case, I received a plant as 'Titania'. If it is wrong, let me know here and I will correct it, as I have done elsewhere, with a crocus mis-ID for example. I think those who have less knowledge and experience than you on Galanthus are looking to your expertise, and the expertise of others, no chiding necessary. ???
Hi Mark
I think my response is directed at no-one in particular over the last 6 years (myself included I am sure).
In recent years I have really worried about things ending up with the wrong label and then getting passed around as such. I've been on the receiving end of incorrect snowdrops, from reputable suppliers - that they say are definitely the real thing as they got it from someone else who is also a reputable supplier..... etc.... I'm sure you can see the problem.
My post most definitely wasn't directed at you - it took me so long to write it (and then reword it so that I didn't upset anyone or sound too grumpy (and I've obviously failed, sorry.) that I don't think your
post was even there when I started typing it.
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.... In my case, I received a plant as 'Titania'. If it is wrong, let me know here and I will correct it, as I have done elsewhere, with a crocus mis-ID for example....
I will stick my neck out and say that is not Titania, or indeed any Greatorex double. It's just too ugly - to my eyes those aberrant inner petals on the outermost whorl really ruin the look of the plant. This is really characteristic of nivalis flore pleno, but something Greatorex {largely} managed to breed out of his doubles. I could be wrong because it is difficult to tell from the two photos; nor do they give any idea of the stature of the plant. But my immediate response to the photos was that whatever it was, I wouldn't want it. I don't react that way to the genuine Greatorex doubles.
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....In recent years I have really worried about things ending up with the wrong label and then getting passed around as such. I've been on the receiving end of incorrect snowdrops, from reputable suppliers - that they say are definitely the real thing as they got it from someone else who is also a reputable supplier..... etc.... I'm sure you can see the problem.
I hope it is obvious from my previous posts that I agree completely with KentGardener. We can say whether a photo of a named snowdrop looks like the cultivar it is supposed to be. We can also respond to a photograph of an unnamed snowdrop with the names of those cultivars it resembles (Mark Smyth is particularly adept at this). But one cannot attribute a name to a snowdrop you are growing purely on the basis of a resemblance to a named cultivar. Ideally there would be some disclaimer at the top of this thread to that effect but as that cannot be done it is worth repeating from time to time.
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Is there any chance you are the victim of the same misidentification and what you have is actually Anglesey Abbey? I don't know if any Anglesey Abbey was originally distributed as lagodechianus - perhaps some went to a nurseryman who is not a snowdrop specialist and never caught up with the revised nomenclature?
The bulb came from Foxgrove Plants last spring Alan. I don't grow Anglesey Abbey so can't do a direct comparison.
John(M)
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This is really characteristic of nivalis flore pleno, but something Greatorex managed to breed out of his doubles.
The Snowdrop book seems to suggest that Greatorex was not entirely successful in that aim; there are comments about the various Greatorex forms having occasional aberrations, or "fewer" aberrations, if I recall correctly. Infact the whole section on those plants makes note of the fact that the variation in differing conditions etc is such that ID is at best tenuous for these plants. I would contest that this is the case for a great many more of these plants, of course!
When this thread began, I thought it would be more about trying to find what species a plant was, more than a cultivar ID and I think it is fair enough to say loud and clear that while it may walk like a duck and quack like a duck, that only tells us it is a duck... not what KIND of duck! ;D ;D ;)
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had a look at the two plants I've been given as Titania this morning, one is neat, with very deep green marks & rosette, the other just looks like Flore Pleno, also been offered another which is much taller...
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The Greatorex doubles have been around for a long time and have been widely circulated so there is plenty of scope for confusion. I gather there has been quite a lot of confusion about which one has which name, so one man's Titania could be another man's Ophelia, for example. But I don't think any of them could be confused with a nivalis flore pleno and if you have one which could then it isn't worth keeping (as a named snowdrop, anyway).
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I will stick my neck out and say that is not Titania, or indeed any Greatorex double. It's just too ugly
OMG, can't believe my eyes, never thought I'd see the word "ugly" in reference to a snowdrop :o. Can someone please post a photo of the true 'Titania', I could not find one on this forum when I did a search. I might rename mine Galanthus 'Ugly American' :-X ;D
This is really characteristic of nivalis flore pleno, but something Greatorex managed to breed out of his doubles. I could be wrong because it is difficult to tell from the two photos; nor do they give any idea of the stature of the plant.
My plant is 8 cm tall.
But my immediate response to the photos was that whatever it was, I wouldn't want it. I don't react that way to the genuine Greatorex doubles.
Well, my plump and ugly little whatever it is snowdrop, it sort of grows on you, like looking at a pet bulldog, they're so dang ugly that they're kind of cute. Please, no begging for my plant, I'm not sharing ::)
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Well, going by the Titania references in the Forum, I think it is all too clear that her identity is none too clear!!
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=209.msg4777;topicseen#msg4777 .... for instance....!
Two GalanthoForumists have got photos on their websites......
http://www.galanthus-online.de/kultivare-p-z/titania.html
http://www.sneeuwklokjes.info/pics/titania.html
You pays your money and .... you takes your chance rather than choice, I reckon!
So long as you love your baby, McMark, that's all that matters.... even if the other parents are giggling, huh?!! ;)
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Well, going by the Titania references in the Forum, I think it is all too clear that her identity is none too clear!!
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=209.msg4777;topicseen#msg4777 .... for instance....!
Two GalanthoForumists have got photos on their websites......
http://www.galanthus-online.de/kultivare-p-z/titania.html
http://www.sneeuwklokjes.info/pics/titania.html
You pays your money and .... you takes your chance rather than choice, I reckon!
So long as you love your baby, McMark, that's all that matters.... even if the other parents are giggling, huh?!! ;)
I am reminded by your first link that I had seen that thread at the time, but the photo of 'Titania' and other doubles are listed with the disclaimer "As supplied to me", so not conclusive. Checked out both web links, unfortunately can't see the detail of the doubling. The site that did have detail shots of all doubles was Judy's Snowdrops, but the site URL appears to be invalid now.
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Exactly, McMark.... doesn't that tell you something about the muddles abounding here?
As to Judy's Snowdrops site being unavailable meantime.... we are told that is because of the bandwidth being exceeded on the present server and so the site may be down at times or until a new server is arranged.
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A photo of one of my Titania's purchased from Joe last spring. I believe Joe claims that all his galanthus come from authenticated stocks.
John(M)
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Thanks Maggi for clarifying what happened to Judy's site.
John(M)
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Thanks Maggi for clarifying what happened to Judy's site.
John(M)
Chris Sanham gave the info in another post yesterday, John.
It seems the volume of traffic to the site is too big to cope with!
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As john says
as they got it from someone else who is also a reputable supplier
some pictures from my bought last year I don't name suppliers
I think they are all the same
Roland
bulborum@gmail.com
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none of those Titania look anything like mine :)
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Sorry forgot to ask
what are they who knows??
Roland
bulborum@gmail.com
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my "Titania" with FP
anyone know what the last one is? odd little spikey thing.
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Richard, Nothing to do with snowdrops - but great grubby hands 8) ;D I wish I had the opportunity for those recently.
Still getting over the bad back and today was freeeeeezing so I still haven't managed to really play with the dirt this year yet. >:(
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My soft hands never get like that. I wear latex gloves ;D
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Mark,latex gloves,? men don't wear rubber gloves in the garden. ;D ;D ;D
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I keep taking pics and thinking I really should wash my hands ;)
not done much other than digging/planting for last week or so, but it does keep you warm 8)
I do have a big box of latex gloves ;D
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Mark,latex gloves,? men don't wear rubber gloves in the garden. ;D ;D ;D
Michael, you would if you had as many cats using your garden as I have >:(
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Cats, >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Are we back on this subject again. ;D
Eric
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That's why I wear them.
I've been itching to ask how many of the guys on the forum put moisturiser on their hands? I do ever day and on my face
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cats, pfft
try steaming mounds of badger.... stuff, and fox... stuff+ strimmer, that's a bad day :P
moisturiser? never ;D
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That's why I wear them.
I've been itching to ask ..........
I thought moisturiser helped the itching :P ;D
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I`m a 'girl' and do use moisturizer on my face,sometimes on my hands and do not wear gloves in the garden.
and I have 3 cats... :P
perhaps some men are more feminine than I am ???
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I`m a 'girl' and do use moisturizer on my face,sometimes on my hands and do not wear gloves in the garden.
and I have 3 cats... :P
perhaps some men are more feminine than I am ???
The thing is Loes they probably "go" in someone elses garden. I don't have cats of my own and I use moisturiser after shaving. That's why I look so young :P :P :P
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Ian, probably as a result of having to deal with all sorts of noxious substances in his years at "work" and when printmaking, has the sensible habit of using a barrier cream on his hands before gardening. This keeps a protective layer between him and any possible irritants ( myself excepted of course, it'd take more than a cream to protect anyone against me :P) and makes his hands easier to clean afterwards.
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Just found a beautiful picture on the Belgian rock plant club
maybe never seen before on the forum is what they claim
Roland
Edit by Maggi: I have removed the photo since we do not have permission to show it here: I give the website link to the picture on the Flemish Forum, instead.
see here: http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php?topic=21.msg130#msg130
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Nice snowdrop. Thanks for showing it here.
I got three new species last year as part of a swap
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A few years ago there was talk of commercial farming of Galanthus trojanus, so perhaps it is beginning to be more available now - I hope ;)
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see here: http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php?topic=21.msg130#msg130
That forum looks familiar for some reason..... ;) :D
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see here: http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php?topic=21.msg130#msg130
That forum looks familiar for some reason..... ;) :D
If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well. ;D 8) ;)
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Hallo John
I left just a few plants for you at Peters nursery
when you see him have a look at his G.Lavinia
I think they are wrong labelled
maybe I am wrong but I an not a specialist
Roland
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see here: http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php?topic=21.msg130#msg130
That forum looks familiar for some reason..... ;) :D
Certainly a sense of deja vu there.
Paddy
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see here: http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php?topic=21.msg130#msg130
That forum looks familiar for some reason..... ;) :D
There are a lot of very nice people there, don't you think? ;D
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A few familiar faces there, Maggi.
Paddy
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see here: http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php?topic=21.msg130#msg130
That forum looks familiar for some reason..... ;) :D
There are a lot of very nice people there, don't you think? ;D
And there it is at long last, an up-angle view of Galanthus nivalis 'Flore Pleno' (2 photos); indeed very nice people who seem to like this plant well enough, as I do :D
http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php?topic=21.15
http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=21.0;attach=733;image
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see here: http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php?topic=21.msg130#msg130
That forum looks familiar for some reason..... ;) :D
There are a lot of very nice people there, don't you think? ;D
And there it is at long last, an up-angle view of Galanthus nivalis 'Flore Pleno' (2 photos); indeed very nice people who seem to like this plant well enough, as I do; no abhorrence whatsoever. :D
http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php?topic=21.15
http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=21.0;attach=733;image
Fair enough , McMark, but surely you missed Richards pix on Reply 97 of page 7 of THIS very thread?
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5087.msg141024#msg141024
::) :D
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Fair enough , McMark, but surely you missed Richards pix on Reply 97 of page 7 of THIS very thread?
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5087.msg141024#msg141024
::) :D
Of course I did not miss Richard's message, it came soon after mine... I was waiting at the edge of my seat to see what the galanthophiles had to say about Richard's Galanthus "thingy". Unfortunately inconclusive again, and the posting did not garner any commentary... well except for cat spray, grubby hands, and the curious round about men using moisturizer ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Your vrvforum link was the most useful in helping to answer what my plant might be, thank you, you are so QuickDraw McGraw with your point-on URL grab bag! Dead-Eye Maggi McGraw to the rescue ;D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Quick_Draw_McGraw_Show
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Mark,
I think many members of this forum are inclined to be "inconclusive" when asked to name a snowdrop from a posted photograph as they have found from experience that this is not the most reliable method of identifying a snowdrop and once an incorrect name is attached to a snowdrop it is inclined to stick with it and continue misnaming and further confusion.
Paddy
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Mark,
I think many members of this forum are inclined to be "inconclusive" when asked to name a snowdrop from a posted photograph as they have found from experience that this is not the most reliable method of identifying a snowdrop and once an incorrect name is attached to a snowdrop it is inclined to stick with it and continue misnaming and further confusion.
Paddy
Thanks Paddy, but I do understand that. Conversely, it might be beneficial in ID cases to say something like "no, your named double galanthus looks like a standard double nivalis" (offered without invective), or "it looks like a hybrid", or "it does not look like this or that named cultivar", or provide a photo link showing what the true plant looks like from a reliable web resource. You know, useful information that helps the learning experience and furthers the general understanding about these plants for forumists. I believe there is a level with which this can be done, without risking further confusion.
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Galanthus "thingy" it is then.
think it was given to me as double sharlockii.
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they just started
and for starters a picture of G. trojanus
good start
Roland
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Thanks Paddy, but I do understand that. Conversely, it might be beneficial in ID cases to say something like "no, your named double galanthus looks like a standard double nivalis" (offered without invective), or "it looks like a hybrid", or "it does not look like this or that named cultivar", or provide a photo link showing what the true plant looks like from a reliable web resource. You know, useful information that helps the learning experience and furthers the general understanding about these plants for forumists. I believe there is a level with which this can be done, without risking further confusion.
Mark, I only have Ophelia and Dionysus of the Greatorex doubles, but they are both a much darker green than Flore Pleno which is a much paler yellow/green as shows up well in the comparison photos.
G. n. Fore Pleno is a great snowdrop for building up into drifts and it doesn't really matter what the inners look like when you are gazing at thousands of them :)
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G. n. Fore Pleno is a great snowdrop for building up into drifts and it doesn't really matter what the inners look like when you are gazing at thousands of them :)
provided, of course, that you keep at a safe distance.
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Mark,
I think many members of this forum are inclined to be "inconclusive" when asked to name a snowdrop from a posted photograph as they have found from experience that this is not the most reliable method of identifying a snowdrop and once an incorrect name is attached to a snowdrop it is inclined to stick with it and continue misnaming and further confusion.
Paddy
Paddy
Some of us are simply too new/inexperienced at snowdrops to risk offering an on-line ID. Personally I find it very interesting and helpful that some of the more experienced forumists are able to offer opinions on pics posted, and at least twice recently, after an ID was suggested, the bulb owner fessed up and said yes, he's had that named bulb growing nearby but had "lost the label". So I would say the ID-ers are doing us a useful service and I hope they keep doing so even if occasionally they get it wrong.
Steve
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Steve,
You are, of course, correct and the opinions of the more experienced growers is very valuable. Certainly in the situation where someone wonders if a snowdrop could be a particular one, suggesting a name or asking to help decide if it is this or that, again giving names then showing a photograph and seeking an identification is a good way to go about it.
However, expecting someone to identify a snowdrop simply on the basis of a photograph is not the best approach - without some other information with it.
Paddy
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Galanthus "thingy" it is then.
think it was given to me as double sharlockii.
A double sharlockii ought to have the large split spathe that is characteristic of the single form of sharlockii. It does have the green-tipped outers, however.
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Anyone know thi snowdrop? It has huge elwesii leaves but they are plain green. It's not woronowii. It could be Galanthus sp. I'll get a better photo of the inner later
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a couple more photos
The taller flower is 10 inches 26 cm high
Tallest leaf is 7.5 inches 19cm
The widest leaf is 1 inch 2.5 cm
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Anyone know this snowdrop? It has huge elwesii leaves but they are plain green. It's not woronowii.
Because?
It could be Galanthus sp. ...
I thought sp. was short for 'species' so Galnthus sp. just denoted an unidentified snowdrop?
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I have the same size woronowii from wild collected bulbs
so why not woronowii ??
Roland
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I thought it was not woronowii because of it's size and it's much bigger than the selection called tall form. The leaves are as big as some of my elwesii. All my woronowii have leaves that more horizontal than upright
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Some pictures I just took
Large is not the cultivated form
this one was in between the wild collected ones
Roland
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'Elizabeth Harrison' is a big woronowii.
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Because?
Don't woronowii leaves typically arch more than this, so that the tips angle downward?
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This where all the selections come from
there is a lot of difference and variation in the nature
so what is typical
Roland
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I thought it was not woronowii because of it's size and it's much bigger than the selection called tall form. The leaves are as big as some of my elwesii. All my woronowii have leaves that more horizontal than upright
As the discoverer of 'Marks Tall' and 'Mini Me' I would have thought you would have known that size is not a very reliable indicator of species. It's raining here at the moment but the woronowii I can see out of my kitchen window has fairly upright leaves.
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Good to know Janet's "Judy's Snowdrops" site is back up and running.... McMark, there are some double pix for you to compare here:
http://www.judyssnowdrops.co.uk/Plant_Profiles/Hybrids_Double/hybrids_double.htm
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so what is typical
Never having seen mature woronowii leaves that don't angle downwards I would be interested to see Alan's plants if they are otherwise.
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Never having seen mature woronowii leaves that don't angle downwards I would be interested to see Alan's plants if they are otherwise.
Viewed from my kitchen window I see the plant looking across from the left where the leaves appear more erect. But I suppose the leaves are slightly convex when viewed from above so they tend to angle in a way that would point them towards the ground if they grew long enough. I can see the difference to the leaves of Mark's mystery snowdrop which still seem to be heading skyward, so I was wrong in my previous comment. However I think the leaves on Mark's plant could still end up pointing downward as they mature and grow.
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A nearby garden has a large form of G. woronowii which is growing through heathers and other quite tight cushiony plants..... it's hard to tell whether the form is bigger in all its parts because it has to be to compete with its companion planting or if it has survived on account of its larger size! A chicken and egg situation I suppose. Nice form, anyhow.
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I will watch the original clump of possible woronowii and see what the leaves do. My plant's leaves will fall because they no longer have a good water pressure. Tomorrow I will take a photo of the bulb.
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Is this an ordinary G.nivalis ??
it was found in between wild collected bulbs
from Corydalis bulbosa syn. C.cava from Romania
Roland
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Is this an ordinary G.nivalis ??
I take it you mean the marks on some of the inners are almost absent, just two little spots? This is certainly within the range of what you can find in a 'wild' population of the UK G. nivalis. Which is not to say it isn't a nice snowdrop worth keeping an eye on.
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Is this an ordinary G.nivalis ??
Roland
Roland,
Markings such at you show are common in garden plantings of G. nivalis.
Paddy
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I mean also the very long peduncle
in one of the flowers
Roland
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I got this nice snowdrop from a friend a couple of years ago but we cant find any reference to the name Galanthus 'Mauerbach' and he is nut sure from whom he got it. Do anyone of you recognize it?
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Try this site for Galanthus-Mauerbach
http://www.alltomtradgard.se/tradgardslistor/?categories1=20&query=*&searchType=categories
They look similar
Roland
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http://www.alltomtradgard.se/tradgardslistor/?categories1=20&query=*&searchType=categories (http://www.alltomtradgard.se/tradgardslistor/?categories1=20&query=*&searchType=categories)
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Yes, they are not only similar, they are our plants.
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Owe, I recall you had thought that the galanthus might be one of Severin Schlyter's selection? But the name Mauerbach is a place in Austria..... perhaps we need an Austrian or German Galanthophile to help out ??? :)
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Try this site for Galanthus-Mauerbach
http://www.alltomtradgard.se/tradgardslistor/?categories1=20&query=*&searchType=categories
They look similar
Roland
The image provided does not resize, here's a link to the larger image:
http://www.alltomtradgard.se/_internal/cimg!0/i49zblnhoy5elke45x27fjbhszicjht (http://www.alltomtradgard.se/_internal/cimg!0/i49zblnhoy5elke45x27fjbhszicjht)
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Very nice pic of MAUERBACH, Owe J.
In the 60s GREENISH was found in Mauerbach in Austria. I would think only two names for one good cultivar!!!
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I hoped one second that it was the Galanthus where I started this topic with
but No
desolee
Roland
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I have a Galanthus I need to identify and went to the link of Mark's wonderful collection, however short of checking every name I don't think I can find it. It's a pity all the pictures aren't just there ready for impatient people like me, but I imagine that would be a huge job. Anyway I am posting a not too good picture in the hopes all you Galanthophiles can help me. Have I ladled the praise high enough do you think ;D
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What about Galanthus nivalis 'Viridapice' ?
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The large leafy spathe would suggest Gal. nivalis 'Warei' rather than 'Viridapice', which has a smaller spathe. Try this link to Judy's Snowdrops website for pics. Note that the spathe may split into two 'ears' or may not.
http://www.judyssnowdrops.co.uk/Plant_Profiles/nivalis/warei/warei.htm
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Thanks to both Thomas and Martin, G. nivalis viridapice rings a bell, we bought it at Brodsworth once when we visited, however our blackbirds delight in chucking out labels as they forage round the garden and this one had disappeared.
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Warei and Viridapice are a bit mixed up in gardens and the trade, since there are various clones of each around and they vary in their characteristics, some "Viridapice" having quite large spathes and some "Warei" smaller spathes than others. You may well have bought Warei as Viridapice. Deciding which you have can be quite difficult and boils down to comparing with pics and trying to work out which extreme your clone is closest to - large, leafy spathe or small non-leafy spathe.
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Apologies for miss-spelling Viridapice as Viridapicis, which is an old variant spelling that I grew up with, but most people now go with Viridapice.
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I have be buzy the last months
but now there is some time to do the pleasant things
To bring back an old topic
It is I think the best place for the
Don't look - Galanthus horror stories!
happened to me last year
see: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5172.msg148917#msg148917
I think I can use some specialist help
now the snowdrops start flowering you can see the real damage
There must be done some serious Identification
and I really can use all the expertise there is here on the forum
all the following Names and pictures are not sure
Maggie If you want I start a new topic
just tell me
Roland
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And an other Gal Brenda Troyle
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Gal Augustus
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Gal Cederik
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Gal Augustus
bulborum - At last a snowdrop we can agree 100% as Augustus!
johnw
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Thanks John
I thought already but was not sure
Roland
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A photograph of 'Brenda Troyle' for comparison. Paddy
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A photograph of 'Cedric's Prolific' from last year for comparison. Paddy