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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Darren on February 28, 2010, 05:42:19 PM
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Janis recently pictured Anemone tschernjaewi elsewhere. My own plants are now looking good and represent a real bargain. In 2004 Chris Chadwell listed 'A. biflora' collected in Kashmir. They were only £1 for a bulging packet of seed owing to his doubts about their viability. I split the packet into four as an experiment. I sowed one quarter in september 2004 and then another quarter each subsequent year so the oldest seed had been in the fridge for over four years. Interestingly, though the percentage germination dropped each year I still got good germination from the 2007 sowing. In 2007 the first flower appeared from the earliest sowing and confirmed my suspicions that it was actually A. tschernjaewi. In 2008 I got enough flowers to produce my own seed, which germinated OK. In 2009 I got a bumper seed crop and now have a seed tray full of seedlings. Any seed I get this year I hope to donate to the SRGC exchange and have been pollinating away like mad.
Growing next to it is what came to me as 'Ornithogalum nanum' from a packet of bulbs I picked up at the SRGC Discussion weekend a couple of years ago. It looks terrific in the sunshine.
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wow that's a lovely Anemone.
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Yes, a beauty Darren. Not a plant I have seen very often. I would be happy to exchange some fresh seed with you in due course. Feel free to bid for something of mine.
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gorgeous Anemone, you must be pleased with yourself.
Angie :)
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Any seed I get this year I hope to donate to the SRGC exchange and have been pollinating away like mad.
Darren - I'm sending my SRGC 2011 order in tonight. Any idea what number this Anemone will be? ;D
A stunner.
johnw
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Thanks folks - glad you like it as much as I do. Given that the Anemone really wants sowing in autumn with the true bulbs I'd rather distribute at least some of the seed then so i will be in touch.
I'd wanted this species since seeing it in the Phillips & Rix 'Bulbs' book and I want to try to spread material around now to keep it going.
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You're taking an unfair advantage John. ;D
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Yay!
My first flowering of the lovely Anemone biflora. I bought tubers from Norman Stevens and from Rannveig Wallis 2 years ago and this is the first to flower. Another has a bud so it looks like I might get some seed here too, though I am delighted with the germination of seed of this species I recently got from Kurt Vickery. Note this one has a couple of extra petals.
Still on a 'bulbous' anemone theme. Several years ago I purchased some tubers under various names (e.g verae, baissunensis, petiolulosa etc). The naming was perhaps a bit dubious to say the least. Most turned out to be very close to my 'authenticated' plants of A. petiolulosa (from Archibald seed). One was red with black stamens and appears to be closest to 'A.bucharica'. This one illustrated is a bit of a mystery. Unlike the others I grow in the biflora group it is quite vigorously clump forming, though the rootstock resembles several typical tubers of this group but clustered together and connected. The flowers are unfortunately quite small. There is a faint red flush on the reverse which makes it resemble the only photograph I can find purporting to be 'A. verae'. I'd be interested in any ID the forumists can suggest!
You can probably gather I'm a bit keen on this group of Anemone....
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They're very beautiful Darren and not the easiest, I believe.
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Very nice Darren, could you say more about growing conditions please.
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Great stuff Darren!
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Anemone 'biflora group' growing conditions ;
They get my standard growing conditions really, though I suppose they get a little more care than most.
Adult tubers are treated pretty much as Kath Dryden describes in 'alpines in pots'. I repot each year in september and dust the tubers with either sulphur or dolomite lime powder. They are then potted into 10cm square plastic pots (the type with side drainage holes as well as bottom ones) in 50:50 JI No2 and grit. The pots are then plunged in sand under glass. They get the usual thorough 'storm' watering in september, then again in october. After this I don't water into the pots again until growth is evident (late January for most of them). But during the winter I do heavily water the plunge occasionally and then the side drainage holes must allow some moisture to get into the base of the pot. Once the shoots grow strongly I water freely into the pots again, and feed with half strength tomato fertiliser occasionally. Later this month they will get the Ian Young potash treatment too.
They are dried off as the leaves start to yellow in late april or may. Then I lift them from the plunge and put the pots under the bench for a totally dry but not over-hot summer rest.
Seed I keep at room temperature if I intend sowing it the same year. As outlined above - it will give some germination up to 4 years at least if refridgerated. It is sown in september on either a sand/peat mix or an inert mix of seramis/perlite/vermiculite. I find that the seedlings are very prone to damping off , especially if I use soil based seed composts. The seeds are barely covered (vermiculite works really well for this) and then kept moist with TAP WATER only until well after the seeds have germinated. The pots are placed under cover but outdoors. Germination is usually evident at around the time the adults pop up in january and then I bring the pots under glass. I try to feed with each watering but err on the dry side as damping off is a danger until the stems firm up a little (around now) when I am more happy to water freely. I am considering putting the pots outside in april when it gets hotter under glass in the hope of keeping the seedlings green a wee bit longer. You only get cotyledons in year one. Once the seedlings die back for summer I keep the pots under cool cover with the aduults but I don't repot for at least another season as the seedling tubers are really tiny. In year two you get the first adult leaves and you may get flowers in year 3, certainly year 4.
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Great advice, most helpful, Darren. I added a bit to the subject of your reply to make it more obvious in a search. 8)
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Thanks for taking the time for that Darren, very helpful. One more question though: too tender for the garden, or too precious?
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Certainly hardy enough David. Suspect too much water in mid winter and especially in summer would be their downfall though - think Juno Iris whose habitat they often share. A bulb frame might be good though - I will try this when I dare!
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Thanks again Darren.
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... In year two you get the first adult leaves and you may get flowers in year 3, certainly year 4.
What beauties :o Only another year (or two) to wait then ... barring disasters.
Many thanks for this cultural information Darren. Are they aphid-magnets like Ranunculus asiaticus, and if so how do you manage?
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Hi Ashley, thankfully they seem to be of no interest to aphids ;D
Or perhaps it is because my R asiaticus are only a couple of feet away....?
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Great stuff Darren - most interesting !
Thanks a lot for posting ! :D
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Flowering today, Leucojum vernum v. carpaticum.
johnw
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John - that Leucojum looks very nicely compact - is this usual? One for the list definitely.
I showed some of the 'biflora group' Anemone above. Here are some more.
First up is (I think) a different clone of biflora with a black boss in the centre. The first picture is immediately after pollination with my other biflora. Within two days the stigmas curl inwards (picture two) which I assume means that the pollination has worked? I note that the stamens have still not dehisced on this plant which is rather odd and has so far prevented the reverse pollination.
Next is the A petiolulosa from Archibald seed. Flowers are twice the size of the one I posted earlier and have no red on the reverse.
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Thay are truly beautiful Darren. Good luck with the pollination :)
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John - that Leucojum looks very nicely compact - is this usual? One for the list definitely.
Darren - I think the comapct habit is due to the sudden onset of Spring just as the ground had thawed, thus forcing them a little too quickly. It was 20c that day.
Today is more typical 5c and a very cold rain (at long last). 50mm on the way with wind.
johnw
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Darren - Those red Anemones are fantastic.
johnw
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One of best my Anemone blanda selections
Janis
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That's is really gorgeous Janis, like a blue version of 'Radar.' :D
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That's is really gorgeous Janis, like a blue version of 'Radar.' :D
I named it for my wife 'Guniite'
Janis
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Here few more of various dwarf "bulbs"
Anemone biflora from Iran
Anemone tschernjajevii from Tadjikistan
Dicentra canadense is difficult to get in flowers comparing with D. cucullaria. Secret is - it don't like deep planting.
Tuberous geraniums are very similar by flowers, but their leaves are so beautiful that I would grow them even if they will not flower at all. Here first flower of Iranian Geranium kochii
Janis
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The lovely fragrant Leucocoryne coquimbensis is now in flower, this is the selection F&W 7084.
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My computer is in REAL NEED of a SCENT button :o ;)
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Would that be next to the send button? I wonder if they make keyboards with an 'any' key?
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Would that be next to the send button? I wonder if they make keyboards with an 'any' key?
I believe they do for blondes, Anthony ;D ;)
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Some nice Trits (Triteleia species and cultivars).
In bloom for nearly two weeks, still looking great now (very long bloomers they are), is Triteleia lemmoniae. This is a rare species with a restricted geographical distribution in Arizona. My favorite aspect of this species, is how the spent flowers turn a rich red-brown color, adding to the effect. It is also a very small species, just a few inches, whereas many Trits are much taller growers. It has been hardy here for the last 6-7 years I've grown it, increasing slowly.
USDA map and data page:
http://www.plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=TRLE4
Flora of North America
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=242102033
More info and pics:
http://www.delange.org/LemmonsStar/LemmonsStar.htm
Yet another Trit flowering, one of Jim Robinett's selections, Triteleia laxa 'Sierra Giant'. The flower stem is about 14" tall (35 cm) with a very large umbel of large silvery lilac funnels, shiny and rose-tinged at the outside base of the florets. These large-flowered Trits always surprise me, in that their foliage is a mere pair of minimal basal leaves, little indication at how much they do up in the air above. The waxy flowers last for weeks. The last photo, where I'm holding the stem, gives an idea about the large size of the effuse head of bloom.
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Mark - nice trits! ;D
I love the yellow and that laxa is a real giant :o
Do these ever appear on the seed lists? I'll have to scour the NARGS Seedex when it comes out!
cheers
fermi
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This may seem an elementary question, but here goes. A few years back, a friend sent bulbs of Hyacinthoides non-scripta 'Ranmore'. They're in bloom now. I'm not sure of the genus status, I see Endymion non-scriptus and Scilla non-scripta in addition to the first name given. What is the latest thinking on the genus name? Also, is 'Ranmore' a recognized cultivar, or is it really just the name of a place? The plant I have is a pale blue and white, versus the darker blue typically seen.
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Would that be next to the send button? I wonder if they make keyboards with an 'any' key?
I believe they do for blondes, Anthony ;D ;)
One time computer giant Gateway actually used to have an "Anykey Keyboard", so-called because it had programmable buttons on it, to record macros or re-assign any key to be a different key. The problem was, it became a support nightmare in my company, as an accidental mistyping sequence on the keyboard would inadvertantly put the keyboard into "reprogramming mode" in which many of one's letter and number keys got reassigned to others. So yes, the 'any' key exists (or for a short while existed).
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So blondes certainly would have had trouble with that one Mark. And yes, I'm a blonde. ;D
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So blondes certainly would have had trouble with that one Mark. And yes, I'm a blonde. ;D
Lesley, these Gateway "Anykey" keyboards befuddled anyone using them, regardless of hair color... I don't subcribe to blonde hair stereotypes. :-X
This digression aside, I'm still looking for information or opinions on the Hyacinthoides non-scripta questions.
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I don't subcribe to blonde hair stereotypes.
Oh, I do..... I'm a redhead! ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Hello Mark
I can't help you with Hyacinthoides non-scripta Ranmore
I know only Hyacinthoides non-scripta Wavertree
But I have some unnamed selections see pictures
The Hyacinthoides non-scripta Maugardiere is
from the behind my door valley :o
Roland
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Hello Mark
I can't help you with Hyacinthoides non-scripta Ranmore
I know only Hyacinthoides non-scripta Wavertree
But I have some unnamed selections see pictures
The Hyacinthoides non-scripta Maugardiere is
from the behind my door valley :o
Roland
Roland, thanks for the treat seeing all those lovely color forms; must say that Maugardiere is outstanding, such a deep color. With all that variation, don't see one that looks similar to my white-tinged-light-blue form. Very nice plants; I like that they flower late compared to many spring bulbs.
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Mark I saw this site with Ranmore
Ranmore Common, Surrey
Its in England
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thisisengland/4567898186/sizes/o/in/pool-1367666@N23/
Roland
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Mark I saw this site with Ranmore
Ranmore Common, Surrey
Its in England
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thisisengland/4567898186/sizes/o/in/pool-1367666@N23/
Roland
Roland, thanks but I saw this one already... it's what generated my question, it doesn't actually list a cultivar name 'Ranmore', it is just talking about the place, Ranmore Common in Surrey. One can assume that a plant named Hyacinthoides non-scripta 'Ranmore' might have indeed been found in Ranmore and named for it, but I think the Flickr site above is just showing a typical deep blue form Hyacinthoides non-scripta photographed in Ranmore. Would like to find the history or source of the cultivar name 'Ranmore', as it pertains to a white-blue-tinged variety.
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Mark I found some older Pictures
The yellow Hyacinthoides non-scripta was this year 50 cm tall
The tiny Hyacinthoides non-scripta just 20 cm
Roland
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To stay with the name of the society
real Hyacinthoides non-scripta from Scotland
at my nursery sold under the name
Hyacinthoides non-scripta Scotland :o
one day flowers will be as famous as the whiskey
or was it wiskey ;D ;D
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We say "whisky", Roland ;)
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Yes but someone told me that one was Canadian and the other Scottish
and I was not sure witch was witch
Roland
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Whisky is Scottish, Whiskey is Irish.... all the others are mere pastiches!!
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OK
I will remember this
Roland
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OK
I will remember this
Roland
A good way to remember is to taste Scotch whisky often, Roland ;D
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The bad thing is I never visit Scotland
probably like Normandy is what you buy in the shop
is tasteless rubbish you just taste the alcohol
If you have the real Calvados its 50° , 60° or even 70° :o :o
but from 20 , 30 or even over 40 varieties of apples
in our region with some 10% pears
after 10 minutes you still taste the apples :P :P
o yeah you don't drink it not even zip it you drip it (http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/silly/drunk.gif) (http://www.thesmilies.com) (http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/silly/drunk.gif) (http://www.thesmilies.com)
Roland
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Calochortus albus
Calochortus albus var rubellus
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Lovely Michael. By the way there is a Calochortus thread.
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Michael your Calochortus albus var rubellus is so lovely. I see so many plants on this forum that I like.
Angie :)
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Calochortus albus
Calochortus albus var rubellus
Michael,
very nice calochortus - are they in pots? How do you manage them?
cheers
fermi
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Fermi,they are planted in a 30cm deep raised bed facing south about 180cm from the front of the house. The compost is about 50-50 grit and soil and they get no special treatment.
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Lovely Michael. By the way there is a Calochortus thread.
I've made note there (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3520.new#new)
to let folks know about these pix ;)
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Thanks Maggi.
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A very nice form of the red Michael. Some are not much redder than the pinkish version of the white - if you see what I mean.
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Michael, I'm wishing you a very happy birthday now, because sure as eggs is eggs, I'll forget on Sunday. You'll be joining that exclusive club to which David N and I belong. ;D
And a happy birthday to all others in this month too. I've already missed some, so apologies to them and to you too Maggi, for stuffing up yet another thread with off topic notes. :-*
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Thanks Lesley, I will probably have a nice glass of 7UP. ;D ;D ;D
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Found in my valley
Hyacinthoides non-scripta Giant of Normandy
not the best picture after the rain but
still an impressive flower
Roland
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i could not find the paris thread so here are two I have in flower now. Having done a little research i am no wiser and cannot guarantee the names. I have had them for six years and although they grow and flower each year they have never increased. They stand about 10cms high.
Paris marmorata
Paris luquanensis
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i could not find the paris thread so here are two I have in flower now. Having done a little research i am no wiser and cannot guarantee the names. I have had them for six years and although they grow and flower each year they have never increased. They stand about 10cms high.
Paris marmorata
Paris luquanensis
Stunning, I like P. marmorata best.
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Beauties Tony
You have to pollinate them if they are not self sterile
from seed it can take 6-9 years
mostly they don't make offsets
Roland
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Beauties Tony
You have to pollinate them if they are not self sterile
from seed it can take 6-9 years
mostly they don't make offsets
Roland
They have not proved to be self fertile and so I have crossed them. I may get seed.
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Found in my valley
Hyacinthoides non-scripta Giant of Normandy
not the best picture after the rain but
still an impressive flower
Roland
Roland,
and impressive large and beautiful 'Giant'. Extraordinary!
Certainly worth to collect the seeds later.
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Sure Armin
I will do and maybe there even will be a better one
Roland
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More Trits; there are always more Trits Grin
Three species blooming more or less at the same time. Triteleia hyacinthina is an easy species that'll seed around when happy, with lots of full heads of white blooms. Each floret is typically nerved with a green, blue-green, to blue midvein. It is adaptable, and seems to do best in heavy soils that are moist in spring but allowed to dry out in summer.
T. laxa is amazingly variable, and at least a few distinct forms have been selected and named. Previously I showed the silvery lilac 'Sierra Giant' which flowered weeks ago, now the deep blue T. laxa 'Humbolt Star' is in bloom, both being Jim Robinett selections. This is a large and showy feast for the senses.
The last is T. bridgesii (formerly Brodiaea bridgesii), which seems to be diminishing in size and I worry about it's demise after a near decade of splendid bloom. I show one photo from this year, a bit late because some of the flowers have gone by, but it is a mere ghost of itself compared to previous years. Also, I had two color forms, one with a more prominent white eye, but have since lost that distinctive form... I include two older lesser quality photos that show these two color forms back in early 2000s, the last photo giving an idea of scale of the flower head, which is huge!
Lastly, for those who want to know more, I supply links to additional photos, distribution maps, and info.
Triteleia hyacinthina
Flora of North America
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=242102030
USDA Plants Database, distribution shades in all of British Columbia, although the species just edges into British Columbia over the USA border:
http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=TRHY3
CalPhotos:
http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?query_src=photos_index&where-taxon=Triteleia+hyacinthina
Triteleia bridgesii
Flora of North America
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=242102025
USDA
USDA Plants Database
http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=TRBR7
CalPhotos:
http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?query_src=photos_index&where-taxon=Triteleia+bridgesii
Triteleia laxa
Flora of North America
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=242102032
(note: shows the distribution to be California only)
USDA Plants Database
http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=TRLA16
(note: shows the distribution to be California & southern Oregon)
CalPhotos:
http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?query_src=photos_index&where-taxon=Triteleia+laxa
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Somehow I missed posting this fine Trit that bloomed in early May.
Triteleia grandiflora var. howellii, found in British Columbia and Washington State, Oregon, and California. I tried in vain to get some goods pics, but finally got a few decent ones where the wind stopped at times... I think it liked the 92 F heat (33 C), and there were still air moments, where these 24" (60 cm) wands could stand still for a few seconds. The flowers are large and soft powder blue, never failing to bloom each year.
http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=TRGRH
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Hi Mark
I like Triteleia hyacinthina
and Triteleia grandiflora var. howellii most
looks more unusual
Do you know how hardy they are
Roland
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Hi Mark
I like Triteleia hyacinthina
and Triteleia grandiflora var. howellii most
looks more unusual
Do you know how hardy they are
Roland
All have hardy here for years, I grow everything outside. My temperature zone is USDA 5B (-15 to -10 F, -23.4 to -26.1 C)
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Thanks Mark
I will try to find them
Roland
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"My temperature zone is USDA 5B (-15 to -10 F, -23.4 to -26.1 C)"
You must be joking! Time to move to a warmer climate! ;) ;D Minus 1 or 2 'C is about all I can take! :P
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"My temperature zone is USDA 5B (-15 to -10 F, -23.4 to -26.1 C)"
You must be joking! Time to move to a warmer climate! ;) ;D Minus 1 or 2 'C is about all I can take! :P
Rogan, I can't take the heat (figuratively nor climatically), I'm a cool or cold weather person. Having gardened in a mulch milder climate for a few years, I actually prefer the colder climate for gardening.
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Bloomeria crocea var montana started opening flowers today. Curiously CalFlora has sunk the three varieties under the main species name, however the other more encompassing authorities maintain the varietal status
This plant never ceases to impress me, now perfectly hardy for the last 5 years, considering it is found in chaparral, yellow pine forests; 300--1000 m, with var. montana restricted to the southern Coast Ranges and the Tehachapi Mountains of Southern California
It blooms late here (although earlier than normal this year, usually I have to wait to July to see the blooms). The stems are wire-thin, yet perfectly erect and never fall over or lean, even after last night's series of thunderstorms and torrential downpours, looking as fresh as ever this morning. The open inflorescence is very large, to about 8-9" in diameter (20-22.5 cm) on stems 18"-24" (45-60 cm). The flowers last a very long time. Some forms of B. crocea have brown midveins, although in my var. montana the flowers are pure bright yellow.
At peak flowering, I'll post again.
USDA
http://www.plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=BLCRM
ITIS
http://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt?search_topic=TSN&search_value=526938
Flora of North America
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=242102175
CalFlora
http://www.calflora.org/cgi-bin/species_query.cgi?where-calrecnum=1101
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Here is what I have as Brodiaea 'Queen Fabiola' although it may also be known as Triteleia laxa 'Queen Fabiola'. Bought from a local garden centre some five years ago (so probably Dutch stock) and flowers every year without fail. The allium in the top left corner is one of a small clump of Allium christophii, and the Liatris in the foreground, just coming into bud is un-named.
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Hi David, my 'queen fabiola' has some pale ones among it, I guess they have been seeding in the bulb fields :P I like to see the variation anyway :D
Any one know this Pelargonium endlicherianum? ;D two plants grown from two seeds from the ags seed exchange, they have been keeping my juno bench colourfull all summer- and no shortage of seed now ;D ;D
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Hello peter
most stocks in Holland are mixed up
and sold as Brodiaea Queen Fabiola
it happens easily
for example a less serious exporter has a leftover from 500.000 bulbs
and 1000 other ones and also 5000 of a third one
he ask a grower to grow them for one year for him
and they mix everything and next year you have
a few other colours in between the Brodiaea Queen Fabiola
it is too expensive to plant them separate
every brodiaea can produce up to 20 young bulbs
so as soon as they are mixed it is almost impossible to sort them out
Roland
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Any one know this Pelargonium endlicherianum? ;D two plants grown from two seeds from the ags seed exchange, they have been keeping my juno bench colourfull all summer- and no shortage of seed now ;D ;D
Very nice Peter - how long did it take to flower? I've got a couple of seedlings coming along from Plants of Distinction seed.
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Hi Gail,
it flowerd in its second year, this is its fourth. I had a tuber from Norman Stevens which I lost due to dessication in the summer. I hunted for a couple of years to replace it, had trouble finding out much about it but I think there is a mention in the (old) RHS dictionary. EA Bowls grew it though! - " My Garden In Summer" I think.
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Try some of your P. endlicherianum seedlings outside Peter. It does OK unprotected here even in the wet North West, in a limestone crevice.
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Thanks Darren, I will.
Bowles grew it outside with some trouble, I think it will have flowerd its self to death but there should be plenty of new seedlings to experement with
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Nice Pelargonium endlicherianum. Can I hold out my hand for a seed or two?
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yes, will add it to your colchicums, send me a PM so I dont forget
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Any one know this Pelargonium endlicherianum? ;D two plants grown from two seeds from the ags seed exchange, they have been keeping my juno bench colourfull all summer- and no shortage of seed now ;D ;D
In Turkey they are growing on very hot screes.I did see them during our trip to NE Turkey this year.
We have to remind this when we choose a spot in our garden.Pelargonium endlicherianum is hardy but don't like much wet in wintertime.Very good drainage could help.
I have it outside but cover it with coveringmaterial during winter.
This year they produce many flowers because of the hot and dry weather of july.Seeds germinates very well...
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A little miscellaneous elf, Anemone heldreichii
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cheers
fermi
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a lovely elf, congratulations