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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: KentGardener on February 27, 2010, 09:08:28 PM
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I was sure there was already a thread featuring Galanthus that have done weird sh!t for one season - but I can't find a single thread so am presuming our pictures must be spread out over many. So thought I would start a thread on some weird stuff I have see over the last few weeks (if anyone can find a thread already started please let Maggi know so that it can be merged). I am always interested in these one off flowers - so would be handy for me to find them all in one place.
We are unlikely to see some of these oddities again in a hurry so I think it would be nice to record them for prosperity. :)
1 & 2 - 'David Baker' with 4 petals
3 - 'Finchale Abbey' with 4 petals
4 - fused 'Kite'
5 - One just called '2 fused flowers' that has done it in previous years and is being kept an eye on.
6 - This one I at first thought was just a regular 4 petaled anomaly - but on looking at the photo I see it is actually two '2 petal' flowers that have fused to make a 4 petal flower. 8)
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Interesting to see David Baker with 4 petals, mine is normal outside, but has sort of got 4 inners, although it looks like one has split into two, I suppose that's how these things happen.
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One of my krasnovii just poking through has green tips
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Have just spotted another 4 petal one in my garden.
'Madelaine'
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I never see oddities in my garden except for this year with elwesii Green Tip gone wrong. I should have posted the photos here instead of the main Galanthus thread
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I have a 4 petaled Apothecary here, will try and get a picture this afternoon,it is going over now so it might not be a great one
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See anything?
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See anything?
some with one of the green tips either very faint or missing?
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X, ugh ughhh
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X, ugh ughhh
you can ugh all you like.... but there are some as I describe, are there not??
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OK you're correct but you are also wrong ;D
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Something walrus like at the front.
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Something walrus like at the front.
Just what I was thinking - partially hidden - but definitely a pair of green tusks pointing downwards.
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ta daaaaaa! Probably a one off but a walrus type Warei could be nice
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Oh, right.... this walrus-ish one.....
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There are several of them missing the tips though......will that be stable?
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missing green tips will probably come back and probably the tusks. There are only two tusks on one flower. All those bulbs are crammed in to one small round lattice pot :o ::)
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Mark,
looking at your Warei I miss the excepionally large spathe.I grow exactly the same(I think) and those are a good form Viridapice.The spathe with mine are about 5-6 cm long,nothing like 11 cm as can be with Warei.
I also have a Viridapice-like with normal nivalis spathe and those were sold as Warei,they are clearly not but a good doer so they can stay.
I just bought 3 bulbs of Warei( I hope) and am waiting for delivery so I do not know how long those spathes are.When they arrive I`ll measure the spathes.
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Of course it isnt Warei but Viridapice ::) Sorry everyone
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well,I won`t change the labels then ;)
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Now that I have edited the photo Viridapice doesnt have two tusks on the outers but two tusks on the ovary
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I've been finding so many of this type this year, a narrow green stripe down the centre of one or two (but never all three) of the outer petals.
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I was very excited to find this double-flowered nivalis seven years ago, but I've had to wait seven years before it did it again!
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This is my fictional snowdrop, 'Tommy Thomson'. There are two anomalies towards the back of the picture - can you spot them?
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One twin-headed and one with extra outer petals?
Paddy
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Absolutely correct, Paddy. Top marks!
And on the same theme, these are growing a few inches apart on a verge close to a road (hence the mud splashes) about half a mile from where I live. Should I rescue them, or at least move them to a safer location?
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I`ve got a nivalis with two flowers on one stem.like the nivalis of Alan the stem looks 2 stemms fused,fastigiata ? or something like that.
the first flower is as usual at the top,the second flower is a few centimeters lower on the stem.looks silly.
I must have a ,bad,photo somewhere.must ask my husband to help me get the photo in here.
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Alan, rescue them.
Loes, this looks like you have two stems fused together - fasciation - giving an interesting result.
Paddy
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One of my rizehensis had a South Hayes stripe on one outer
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One of my rizehensis had a South Hayes stripe on one outer
I'm seeing this so frequently on random snowdrops this year that I'm wondering if it is some sort of reaction to last year's weather conditions?
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Twin Maidwell L - two stems fused
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Thanks for the picture Mark, I've seen a few with fused stems like that in gardens I have visited this year - It's not an anomaly I had noticed in previous years (though I am sure it must have been there and I just didn't see it).
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Here's a flower in a clump of Wendy's Gold where one of the petals ended up on the wrong side of the ovary.
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Could the hard frost have caused the strange flowers this year?
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Hello everyone
I am new and joined the forum today. I live in Kent and have been growing Galanthus for years but got seriously addicted in the last two years.
I have an area of woodlands where I grow single and double nivalis and rarely pay them any close inspection. A few days ago I was looking at them wondering whether they should be split and I spotted a small clump of yellow flowers with bright yellow foliage. The ovary and sinus mark is yellow and the leaves are bright gold - not patchy but solid gold. The flowers are quite tiny. Is it usual to find snowdrops with yellow foliage?
I have lifted them and planted them in front of a Cornus sibirica where they absolutely glow. I will post a photo when I can work out how to do it.
I am glad to have found this forum and have been reading the posts for hours.
Jennie in Kent
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This is not an exceptional photograph as there was very bad light - but you can see the foliage colour
Galanthis nivalis yellow seedling - there were 24 bulbs in the clump!
I hope I have posted the photo correctly - as a first timer :)
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::) Sorry photo far too big. I reduced the file size but do not know how to make the photo smaller.
Jennie
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Welcome Jenny, from another Kent resident.
Nice looking nivalis. Will be interesting to see what it does next year in it's new location.
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Welcome Jennie, from another Kent resident.
Nice looking nivalis. Will be interesting to see what it does next year in it's new location.
Welcome Jennie. Sometimes snowdrops that have been starved of light, buried under a mound of leaves for example, can look very yellow when they emerge. So be prepared for a disappointment next year - but I hope they come back yellow again.
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I am glad to have found this forum and have been reading the posts for hours.
It's nice to have you with us Jennie, I am sure you will get many more hours of enjoyment from it.
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Welcome to the forum, Jennie, and that was an interesting first post, a lovely snowdrop and, hopefully, it may repeat this next year.
Best wishes, Paddy
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Hallo Jenny
try this program on next site
http://www.efpage.de/eTinypic.html
its in German and English small and easy program
make a map tiny pick on your desktop to store the pictures
after sending them you empty the map
Roland
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::) Sorry photo far too big. I reduced the file size but do not know how to make the photo smaller.
Jennie
Welcome Jennie, good to have you join us.
I have resized your photo .....Roland (Bulborum) uses the programme he mentions and I resize in a programme called ACDSee, reducing the pixel size to a maximum of 760 wide, which makes for a handy size for the Forum. You will see that many Forumists use a standard 640 x 480 size which is, I think, a size that many programmes will edit to for email sending etc.
But, hey! You came right in and got your first photo posted just fine, so we'll be looking for lots more pictures of all your garden plants!!
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Brian
what is a Drop oholic
in Dutch translated it is liquorice oholic
but what has it to do with snowdrops
or are you dreaming from a black snowdrop
as I saw somebody dreamt of a orange snowdrop
Roland
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Brian
what is a Drop oholic
in Dutch translated it is liquorice oholic
but what has it to do with snowdrops
or are you dreaming from a black snowdrop
as I saw somebody dreamt of a orange snowdrop
Roland
"Alcoholic" = a person addicted to alcohol
"Dropoholic" = a person addicted to snowDROPS
Paddy
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Thanks everyone for your welcome. Regarding the yellow leaved, yellow flowered nivalis - it was not covered in leaves and had as much light as its green relatives around it. I must admit it looked to me like a plant starved of light when I first saw it. I have split the clump and planted in two places and I may take a couple more bulbs and plant in a shadier area as well. It will be interesting to see what it does next year.
I also got some very interesting plicatus seedlings but I am not sure they are fitting for this topic of anomalies.
I have spent a few hours trying to resize photos in ACDsee (thanks for the help Maggi). I will post a couple of Mrs Thompson now to see if I have sized them right. When I did the automatic 480 x 640 it distorted the photos so I tried 780 pixels. Hope they come out right.
I know it is not rare to find a 5 petalled and double flowered Mrs Thompson but this was my first year of them flowering so I was quite happy to see both anomalies.
Here goes......
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Fab, Jennie! Lovely photos - something neat about the green and white inners, isn't there?
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Brian
what is a Drop oholic
in Dutch translated it is liquorice oholic
but what has it to do with snowdrops
or are you dreaming from a black snowdrop
as I saw somebody dreamt of a orange snowdrop
Roland
"Alcoholic" = a person addicted to alcohol
"Dropoholic" = a person addicted to snowDROPS
Paddy
Thanks for your explanation Paddy, I don't know how I got that soubriquet ::) ::)
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OK Jennie, you have mastered the photography and resizing of photographs so we can look forward to more and more photographs from you.
Hopefully, your yellow snowdrops will come again next year and the years after as they would be an interesting addition to the garden.
Brian, you are simply a lost case, dropaholic and lattice pot maniac and then, when you get the snowdrops, you cut them up into little pieces. Nuts.
Paddy
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Maggie
this is why I love the little program Tiny Pick
no hours learning and surging but simple
open program select size bring picture in pop up
ready
Roland
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some of my anomalies
I think my Walrus looks very similar as the one from Mark
maybe the same source in Holland
Roland
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That Viridapice has an excellent green mark. Is your plants always this colour?
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From this "walrus" I have only 3 plants and this is the colour
but the form of other G.viridapice is sometimes a little paler
I made some pictures but post it later
Battery of the camera is empty
And I saw that the name walrus was taken already
see picture
Roland
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Battery is full again
Roland
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I think your nivalis Viridapice includes some nivalis Warei. Warei have very large spathes
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Maybe I bought 2000 leftovers from the wholesale
you can see the difference from the 2 boxes
Roland
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Roland - Great patches of nivalis Viridapice, that's a very sandy mix you have them in. Can you tell us more about it?
johnw
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I was just running out of grit
that's all
Roland
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Just a tiny flowering G.elwesii var.monostictus which I just found
in between the normal ones
Roland
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Here are some pictures from one clump of galanthus, I can't remember where I got the original bulb or who from, but as it has increased there are more and more of them with anomalies! Some have four outers, some three and a half inners :D
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Brian,
It's not G. 'James Backhouse' by any chance? The first photograph certainly looks like 'Atkinsii' and 'James Backhouse' is a form of 'Atkinsii' which throws aberrant flowers.
Paddy
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The thing is Paddy I have never knowingly bought James Backhouse - although you never know what things might have been labelled in mistake. It is also in a position which would suggest that it was a 'better' snowdrop, unfortunately my brain cell is on strike ;)
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Another couple of 'weirdos' spotted in my garden today.
1 - 4 petal 'Greenish'
2 - a Trym pretending to be a Trumps! ???
3 - A Trym from the same clump for comparison.
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Brian, your plants look exactly like my James Backhouse (given many years ago as Atkinsii). This year they seem to be particularly potty.
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Thanks Anne, I guess this points to the fact that I must have been given it and my brain cell is just too clogged up with information to retrieve from whence it came :-[
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....I have never knowingly bought James Backhouse .... It is also in a position which would suggest that it was a 'better' snowdrop......
I think we galanthophiles are wrong to disregard anything that is too readily available. At the very least James Backhouse is an entertaining snowdrop, every year a different anomaly. And it's certainly a good do-er. You may care to make judgements about the beauty or otherwise of its anomalous behaviour but I'm not going down that road. So what's not to like about it, apart from the fact that we won't make our fortunres selling it on eBay?
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Indeed, it is an excellent plant, Alan - a tall, strong grower, increasing well but not so much it needs dividing too often. It's also an early flowerer with the distinct long pointed buds before it springs its final surprise in the form of the opened flower. I wouldn't be without it.
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I have to agree with the sentiments expressed by Anne and Alan re G. 'James Backhouse'. Likewise, I think G. Atkinsii is a much under-rated snowdrop and I believe it is an outstanding bulb for making large drifts in the garden. It has a large flower on a tall plant and good foliage to give it a fullness in the garden.
Paddy
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The correct form of flowers Galanthus - a drop.
But there are deviations caused by the different reasons.
Correct colouring of stains on a tube - green, but there are yellow stains or absolutely without stains.
In photos such deviations in wild populations of a Galanthus woronowii and Galanthus krasnovii (while we name so).
Interestingly, than such deviations are caused and what else there are defects?
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And more photos ...
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i like turban , very nice flower ;D
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And the last ...
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looks like some have faded due to cover of snow.
Most people will have seen strange things with snowdrops but next year they are normal
I was telling Jo today that about 6 years ago I bought all green tipped, nivalis and elwesii, woronowii for sale in a garden centre I worked in. The group are now about 20 but green tips never came back.
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Natalia there are some very special drops there.Lovely stuff.
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thank you very much for sharing your wonderful photos :)
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Thanks for responses:)
Mark, you want to say that plants with green spots on the petals are not repeated in the future, this sign? :o
The reasons of such deviations are interesting to me... Who Can knows why it occurs?
Wrong development because of temperatures, or virus infringements?
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Natalia,
Many thanks for posting your interesting snowdrops. I think the "pagoda" is very beautiful and the G. woronowii with yellow markings also.
Many thanks, Paddy
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Hi Natalia
welcome to the Galanthus area - I have not noticed your name here before.
I too am interested in the odd flowers that can occur. Like Mark has mentioned many of them never do it again, as I have found myself when growing bulbs on in my garden and find that they are 'normal' in the following years. :-\
Here is one I saw in 2008 that you may like, I have the bulbs in my garden - but they have not repeated the strange behavior again. :'(
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1289.msg32176;topicseen#msg32176
(http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1289.0;attach=44372;image)
And as Emma has already mentioned - that 'turban' looking one is lovely. 8) (but could just be an aged flower as Mark says).
edit: I've just noticed that the 'turban' is four petalled :o even nicer. 8)
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This is an entirely personal opinion and feel free to slam me for it if you wish, but I think such "deviations" whether caused by weather, virus, insect attack, fungus, just a fork through the bulb or whatever, are NOT to be encouraged and it pleases me that such bulbs are generally "true" in subsequent years. To value such aberrations seems to me akin to valuing a lamb born with 5 legs, or being delighted that one's child has a physical defect.
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Paddy, Many thanks for the comments.:)
There is a possibility that form G. woronowii "turban" it is steady enough - we find not a single plant, and several separate clamp. But I hung this picture as an illustration - flower has four petals.
G. woronowii with yellow markings two years in a garden, it is selected in wild population, and this year has blossomed keeping colour. Now I wait, when its children will blossom. If colour is same - I hope, it will be possible to tell about the steady form.
John, thanks for warm reception:)
I am glad to be present at such interesting forum.
Your snowdrop very interesting, probably similar changes speak about the latent possibilities of this grade.
Dmitry Zubov said that this breach in the development of the flower. I wonder - at what stage does this happen?
I am sorry, if I confuse terms.
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Lesley, I'm not saying that this is a new selection in this offense, not the form.
Stable form may be G. woronowii with yellow markings. But this must be confirmed - yet this is only my wish and nothing more :)
Because the theme and named - "Wrong" flowers snowdrops.
It is possible that the existence of such violations shows just how volatile this or that population Galanthus.
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Natalia is there any chance i could get some Galanthus krasnovii seed if your plants produce any.
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Your snowdrop very interesting, probably similar changes speak about the latent possibilities of this grade.
Dmitry Zubov said that this breach in the development of the flower. I wonder - at what stage does this happen?
Nathalia, I never told that really about double forms ;D In John's pic it is stable mutation. But your turbaned woronowii could be due to simply some epigenetic mechanisms :-\
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Dimitri, a form of John's stable? Excellent! And why he has since such does not happen again?
The shape of "turban" - realized that it was some kind of violation.
What kind of epigenetic mechanisms may well operate?
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Interesting supervision: the quantity of defects in 2009 was smaller than in 2010, and types of defects - others.
Difference - autumn 2009 - a strong drought and fires in mountains.
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Nathalia - the main known epigenetic mechanism are Imprinting, some genes' group silencing, position-effect variegation, etc. many others.
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last year two bulbs of Galanthus elwesii ,same clone, produced flowers with only two petals and I though fame had arrived but this year both flowers are back to normal.
Picture from last year
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That's a shame Tony - but so weird that both separate bulbs only had 2 petals each.
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last year two bulbs of Galanthus elwesii ,same clone, produced flowers with only two petals and I though fame had arrived but this year both flowers are back to normal.
Maybe you have a bulb with a propensity to produce flowers with two petals?
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Ha ha :) Alan
Would root ginger come into Zingiberaceae ???, in which case we could swop recipes Maggie
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That's a shame Tony - but so weird that both separate bulbs only had 2 petals each.
Probably feeding it half strength.
johnw
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The first few weird one off flowers that I have spotted so far this year.
1 & 2 - A fused 5 petal 'Wendys Gold'
3 7 4 - A four petal unamed 'green tip'
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A few fresh photos non-standard Galanthus plicatus from the nature.
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Galanthus plicatus - Explicit green stripe on the two lobes and is not very clear on the third.
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We seem to be edging closer and closer to the snowdrop analogue of a hose-in-hose primula (see e.g. http://www.paradise-garden.co.uk/flowers/hose.html). The extra petals on the plicatus in the first picture are the fullest I can remember seeing.
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Abnormal developments in flowers Galanthus plicatus.
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Аnd even a little picture of anomalies
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Hi Natalia
Once again, thank you for posting the pictures - I am always VERY interested in the odd things that Galanthus can get up to. 8)
A similar thread from the past may interest you too http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5075.0 (Maggi - shall we amalgamate the two? ;) )
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That's a shame Tony - but so weird that both separate bulbs only had 2 petals each.
Probably feeding it half strength.
johnw
Two thirds strength? ;D
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Hi Natalia
Once again, thank you for posting the pictures - I am always VERY interested in the odd things that Galanthus can get up to. 8)
A similar thread from the past may interest you too http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5075.0 (Maggi - shall we amalgamate the two? ;) )
Why not indeed? I have done that, John.
Good idea to keep all these strange creatures together :-X
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Аnd some more photos of abnormalities in Galanthus found in nature ...
the fruit is already quite large, but the flower is preserved
have already shown this year an anomaly - an accrete stalk and sheet.
she, in a larger scale