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Plant Identification => Plant Identification Questions and Answers => Topic started by: WimB on February 15, 2010, 05:14:16 PM
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A friend of mine grows this Sedum as Sedum bodneri. That name does not exist, the only name that comes close is Sedum bodinieri. But that's a low yellow flowering one (synonym of Sedum stellarifolium) so that's certainly not this species.
Does anyone here know which Sedum this might be?
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It seems like S. anacampseros http://images.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http://www.stauder.net/bildearkiv/Sedum%2520anacampseros.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.stauder.net/bildearkivet.htm&usg=__wgdjaw0I84iorwKvG1w48-A9iMc=&h=354&w=360&sz=37&hl=fr&start=2&itbs=1&tbnid=D6B-wrggy74D_M:&tbnh=119&tbnw=121&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSedum%2Banacampseros%26hl%3Dfr%26lr%3D
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I think S. anacampseros has entire, not toothed, leaves.
http://www.sedumphotos.net/v/sedum-a/Sedum+anacampseros+_2_.jpg.html
I recently saw a picture of a hylotelephium-type sedum with toothed leaves but of course I can't remember now where it was! Grrr!
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Sorry I can't help.
Lori, fantastic website, thanks for the link.
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Perhaps a Sedum telephium ssp ??? I do as much I can :D We shall find it ;)
http://images.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http://sophy.u-3mrs.fr/Photo-cp/Scr/Sedum_telephium_____________07_07_2003_1.JPG&imgrefurl=http://sophy.u-3mrs.fr/photohtm/FI785.HTM&usg=__-2Bbq6DwQow1UFBBbntbfPyfODE=&h=640&w=512&sz=84&hl=fr&start=1&itbs=1&tbnid=A_61xBv9JOOIJM:&tbnh=137&tbnw=110&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSedum%2B%2Btelephium%2Balpes%26hl%3Dfr%26lr%3D
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Have you tried looking under Rhodiola? It seems to have a similar structure/habit to R. rosea.
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I have looked at Rhodolia pictures but it doesn't seems to be
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I think we need Frazer Henderson here... he's a great Telephium fan......
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I think we need Frazer Henderson here... he's a great Telephium fan......
I hope he's not in the Yemen. It doesn't seem a good place to be right now. ???
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I think we need Frazer Henderson here... he's a great Telephium fan......
I hope he's not in the Yemen. It doesn't seem a good place to be right now. ???
I wondered that myself, Lesley.... he hasn't been around the Forum for a while.... I'll drop him a line... :-\
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I have looked at Rhodolia pictures but it doesn't seems to be
I agree, has the look and feel of a Rhodiola.
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Many thanks for your answers. This morning I received the answer.
Lori, I mailed the person who has build the site you referred to (Wayne Fagerlund) and asked him if he might know which species it is.
He in his turn contacted Ray Stevenson (from England, so maybe some of you know him) who is the author of 'Sedum cultivated stonecrops' and he gave me this answer: the plant was originally called Sedum fabaria var. borderi, now it has been assimilated into Hylotelephium telephium.
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Wim, I did not see your question earlier, but I think that is the one.
Praeger in his account on Sedum calle it Sedum fabaria ssp borderi, I believe.Sedum fabaria belongs to de Telephium Group.
Hylotelephium telephium is the newer name for these plants, but I still prefer to use Sedum.
This same plant is in Holland found near old estates.
They seem to seed and maybe hybridise easily too, so you might find some difference in plants too.
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Well, the first thing I did when I saw this post, was to grab my Handbook of Cultivated Sedums by Ronald Evans, and flip to the Telephium grouping. But after studing that, I still didn't find anything that I could hang my hat on. I think part of the problem with the Evans book is that the photos are so small, and often of underdeveloped pot-grown plants that they barely resemble what a particular plant might look like growing more robustly outdoors.
For everyone to judge, I scanned the photo page that has a shot of S. fabaria var. borderi, then the species description for both S. fabaria and for var. borderi. The scan images of the text pages are a little larger than the SRGC recommendation, but I was trying to retain text legibility.
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Luit, thanks for affirming the determination. I think my friend will agree with you and keep it as Sedum instead of Hylotelephium.
Mark, if you have to indentify a fullgrown plant from those pics you might have some difficulty indeed. It looks as if they are pics of plants that he just bought.
Does anyone know the book Sedum: cultivated stonecrops?
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I do have the Handbook of Cultivated Sedums by Ronald Evans myself and looked in it, but the description was very different from the Praeger book and the pictures are mostly so bad that I put it away.
Looking back at some other descriptions, I doubt if he has seen all the plants he describes, like many autors :-X :(
Wim if you want I can make a scan of the description by Praeger of Sedum fabaria var. Borderi and of the picture of S. fabaria.
He is very clear about and I think that Ray Stevenson used the same source.
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Hi Luit,
if you could place a scan of Praegers description here I would appreciate that very much. Thanks
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Wim here are the pictures and descriptions from:
An Account of the Genus Sedum as found in Cultivation, L.R. Praeger
From RHS Journal 1920-21
Sedum 1 text
Sedum purpureum
Sedum fabaria
Sedum 4 text
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Dank u, Luit
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U ?? Graag gedaan Wim :)
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Volgende keer zal ik je tutoyeren!! ;) ;D
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Wim, that's much better than "vousvoyeren" :D
Thanks to Napoleon we don't seem to have Dutch words for this ;D ;D :o
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Isn't "jijjouwen" the Dutch word for this?
Napoleon left a lot of things... I think Belgium still has 50% of it's laws dating from his "visit" ;D ;D
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Isn't "jijjouwen" the Dutch word for this?
Yes, but I don't like it ;D
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Gail, thankfully, in English I may happily refer to you as "you" without any additional nuances such as beset such usage in other languages.... so... I have moved your post about the cycling trip to the Travel section, where more may see it! ;D
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5022.0
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Gail, thankfully, in English I may happily refer to you as "you" without any additional nuances such as beset such usage in other languages.... so...
Gail - Maggi asks that in emails only she be referred to as "Thou". Take note. ;D
johnw
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Gail, thankfully, in English I may happily refer to you as "you" without any additional nuances such as beset such usage in other languages.... so...
Gail - Maggi asks that in emails only she be referred to as "Thou". Take note. ;D
johnw
Flippin' 'eck! :P :-X [attach=1] :-[
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Thank you for the move Maggi. And the 'you' is used with due deference; I am most impressed with your constant vigilance on this site and how well you keep everyone under control! (And also very impressed by your avatar, I was never half so pretty!)
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Forsooth,dear Lady Gail, thou art too kind.
To be honest, when I look at that avatar photo, I can scarcely believe it's me..... Time and chocolate.... a fearsome combination, for sure! :-[
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Gail - Maggi asks that in emails only she be referred to as "Thou". Take note. ;D
johnw
And quite appropriate too, being the Goddess that she is. But as for keeping us all under control, that's QUITE another matter. :D
Mark must surely be given the title "Avatarist of the Year" when the annual Forum awards are given out. :)