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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: chris on February 12, 2010, 08:54:20 PM
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While we have to wait for better weather to see our winter aconite in full bloom, I have here a few Eranthis pinnatifida in the alpine greenhouse
edit by maggi: click on the photos to enlarge them...
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Eranthis pinnatifida is one of the prettiest flowers, isn't it?
I wonder if it grows robustly in Japan, or if it always makes rather small plants ?
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Oh, these are lovely, are they difficult to grow?
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Gorgeous colour arrangement.
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Oh, these are lovely, are they difficult to grow?
In a word, yes. Forms are gradually coming into cultivation that are less difficult, but it's not an easy plant. Many years ago when he was attending our Winter Study Weekend here, Don Elick told me that even in Japan, wild collected plants of Eranthis pinnatifida rarely survive for very long.
My own opinion is that the flowers are too small to make it worth much trouble. "Squinny" is perhaps the bon mot.
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sorry Rodger I cant agree with you, in my opinion it is a verry easy plant, I put them in a small pot with good drainage. I let them outside, they need at least one month freezing temperatures,we had a cold winter and I took the plants 3 weeks ago in the cold greenhouse and as you see they grow and flower well. After flowering they go outside and I forget them for the rest of the year, the pots standing with other pots in shade and in summer if it isnt raining in 14 days than I put on the sprinkler for an hour, if somebody is intrested: I will pollinate the flowers and hope to have some seeds, if anybody want to try it just let me now
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I think they are gorgeous (Squinny indeed Rodger!) If you do get some seed Chris I'd love some (possible swap for seed from my Hepatica maxima forms??)
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While the flowers are not large, they are very beautiful.... I can promise that a photo of a single flower, shown on a twelve foot screen will bring a chorus of oohs and aahs from an audience!
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Couple of Eranthis pics here from a garden visit we made today. More pics later this evening in the Visits thread- Visit to Forde Abbey
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I love the pictures of E. pinnatifida and think the flowers are superb. Maybe they are as close to Hegemone whatsit as Ulla (on another thread) is likely to get. :-\
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wolf whistle at Lesley's new avatar
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wolf whistle at Lesley's new avatar
Nothing unseemly please Mark. You can blame the other Mark for the avatar though he was provoked. ;D
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today the blue anthers opens and I have pollen to pollinate my flowers.
I have pollinate also a yellow one with the pollen of Erantis pinnatifolia and pollen from the yellow on E.pinn., I wonder if somebody dit that before?
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Chris, please tell us about your pollinating experiences later :D
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I don't care if others may call the white "squinny" ;), I still think it looks lovely. I hope my seeds (from a generous SRGC member of the forum) germinate happily for me this coming winter/spring.
Good luck with the cross, Chris. 8)
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On Saturday I was given a present of an Eranthis 'Pauline', which I was very pleased about.... thanks, Beryl! 8)
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On Saturday I was given a present of an Eranthis 'Pauline', which I was very pleased about.
It's a scarce plant; take good care of it.
I find that the ordinary winter aconite is happiest in the ground. Whenever I've been gifted a rare form, I've planted it straight away on arrival. Then it's left alone to grow at its own speed. It can take two or three years before such a gift settles down and starts to grow well, but once it does, then I lift the tubers and mercilessly divide them so each growing point is a separate tuber. Put a little sulfur on the wounded surfaces, replant without delay and before you know it, you're starting to get a planting worth looking at.
'Moonlight' is another pale yellow eranthis cultivar. It's a slightly deeper color than 'Pauline', though my Pauline is still young and not yet growing vigorously enough to be sure of its true character.
But of all the winter aconites, the one that puts on the best show is E. × tubergenii, with deep clear yellow flowers of good substance. It flowers just after all the others have gone over, thus extending the winter aconite season by a week or two. What I have is NOT 'Golden Guinea', just an unnamed hybrid with somewhat dark foliage.
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On Saturday I was given a present of an Eranthis 'Pauline', which I was very pleased about.... thanks, Beryl! 8)
Richard Hobbs gave a talk to my local AGS group on Sunday; mostly about snowdrops (and can recommend him as a speaker for those who haven't heard him) but he was also extolling the virtues of Eranthis 'Pauline' - he thinks she is a much better plant than the similar 'Schwefelglanz' and most of her seedlings come true, whereas from 'Schwefelglanz' you get quite mixed offspring.
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I find that the ordinary winter aconite is happiest in the ground. Whenever I've been gifted a rare form, I've planted it straight away on arrival.
Having bought 'Pauline' at the weekend I will make sure she rapidly enters the snowdrop bed after this advice Rodger. Thanks :)
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Some Guinea Gold from my garden today
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A great show there Mark. Spring must really be springing at last. :D
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It has come too early. The saying is - in like a lion and out like a lamb. The lion hasnt arrived yet!
Guinea Gold is in need of urgent dividing/cutting.
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sorry Rodger I cant agree with you, in my opinion it is a verry easy plant, I put them in a small pot with good drainage. I let them outside, they need at least one month freezing temperatures,we had a cold winter and I took the plants 3 weeks ago in the cold greenhouse and as you see they grow and flower well. After flowering they go outside and I forget them for the rest of the year, the pots standing with other pots in shade and in summer if it isnt raining in 14 days than I put on the sprinkler for an hour, if somebody is intrested: I will pollinate the flowers and hope to have some seeds, if anybody want to try it just let me now
Yes please.
I think that this is one of the plants which you could sell at good prices if you are able to grow them easily. ;D
Cheers
Göte
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Some Guinea Gold from my garden today
Mark,
Marvellous group - the best of all I think.
It's about time you divide your clumb !
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Luc S, it will be this year if I remember
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Only 96 flowers :o
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While we have to wait for better weather to see our winter aconite in full bloom, I have here a few Eranthis pinnatifida in the alpine greenhouse
Kris, I think it is exquisite in open flower, however small - what are the chances of survival out of the greenhouse?
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Robin, I just found mine today. They have been outside in a box all winter and are still frozen solid. They are bravely pushing up their flowers from the frozen ground. It has been down to -14C this winter. They are really tiny, a trough might be okay.
Susan
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A great splash of colour Mark !! :o
Marvelous view !
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so much better in real life
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wonderful Eranthis Marc.
Robin, it is like Susan said, here I left the seeds of E.pinnatifolia outside and now I found under some leaves these seedlings, it looks that I will have some seeds this year to
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Lovely looking seedlings.....will look out for seed, thanks for taking the photo, Chris, and to you and Susan for the information on hardiness.
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John Grimshaw talks about Eranthis cultivars
http://johngrimshawsgardendiary.blogspot.com/2010/03/eranthis-cultivars.html (http://johngrimshawsgardendiary.blogspot.com/2010/03/eranthis-cultivars.html)
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a question :
I have subscribe before some time also on the blog of Grimsaw .....but I get never any updates :-\
Can anybody give me a advice what I have to do ?
Thank you
Hans
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some forms from Eranthis in flower today:
Eranthis hyemalis `Grünling`
Eranthis tubergenii `Guinea Gold`, a sterile cross between hyemalis and cilicica
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more Eranthis,
Er.hyemalis `Orange Glow`
`` `Schwefelglanz`
cilicica from Mor Dagh in E-Turkey
tubergenii, a fertile form, very similar cilicica
bed with Eranthis, left `Schwefelglanz`, middle `Orange Glow`, right tubergenii and some other
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Very fine collection Dirk.
Why do you grow the Eranthis is rows? Do you sell them?
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Dirk,
thank you for the brilliant overview. 8)
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a question :
I have subscribe before some time also on the blog of Grimsaw .....but I get never any updates :-\
Can anybody give me a advice what I have to do ?
Thank you
Hans
Hello Hans J
Do you have a google account? If you do I think you can get the updates placed on your google reader.
Here is the rss feeder for the blog you were enquiring about
http://johngrimshawsgardendiary.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default?alt=rss (http://johngrimshawsgardendiary.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default?alt=rss)
you can subscribe to this.
If you click the subscribe by email at the bottom of his comment section it would just send you alerts to comments on that particular blogpost.
Sorry I can't be of more help to you - I am a blogspot blogger so when I follow a site I get automatic updates a different way rather than through my reader. Maybe you could send him in a comment asking him to put a burn feeder on his blog that way every new post gets sent to your email address.
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Sorry I can't be of more help to you - I am a blogspot blogger so when I follow a site I get automatic updates a different way rather than through my reader. Maybe you could send him in a comment asking him to put a burn feeder on his blog that way every new post gets sent to your email address.
You are a what?????? Rosie; what on earth is a "burn feeder"?
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Hello Rosie ,
Thank you for your information .
Yes - I have a google account and I have signed with it .....but it works not .
Before some days has our Maggi given me a other adress where I have to subscribe ...and now it works fine
A friend of mine has the same problem and he wrote to John Grimsaw for any advices ...but he could not help
Regards
Hans
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David, John Grimshaw's diary is a blogspot...... it is, as they say, "all the rage" .....see Rosie's one here, she has it listed in her profile....
http://leavesnbloom.blogspot.com/2009/11/home-page.html
As to what a burn feed is, I have NO idea!! :-\ :-[
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As to what a burn feed is, I have NO idea!! :-\ :-[
Something to do with a wood pellet stove.
johnw
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They are very nice indeed.
Did we not have a new topic on Eranthis just a few days ago?
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Or a hot curry. :P
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Eranthis hyemalis `Schwefelglanz` is very interess in his colour,
on first day a little orange-rose in the flower, ;D
later in pale yellow. >:(
a further form, Eranthis hyemalis `Flore Plena`; ok, is more semi-plena and set some seeds
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Very fine collection Dirk.
Why do you grow the Eranthis is rows? Do you sell them?
Yes Uli,
Eranthis hyemalis `Schwefelglanz`and `Orange Glow` is for sale.
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Did we not have a new topic on Eranthis just a few days ago?
Only this, I think....
Eranthis hyemalis: distinguishing 'Moonlight' from 'Pauline'
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4919.0
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Very nice Eranthis, Udo :)
Now I really look forward to see my `Schwefelglanz' open. I planted it last year and it is now in bud.
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Maggi :
we have also this :
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4990.0
Please merge it together
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Maggi :
we have also this :
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4990.0
Please merge it together
Thank you, Hans, I missed that, being in another section! I have now merged the two here in the general bulbs section. :)
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Always glad if I can help you ;)
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As to what a burn feed is, I have NO idea!! :-\ :-[
It's when dinner is burnt but there's nothing else to eat in the house so you HAVE to feed on the burnt stuff. It NEVER happens here. ;D
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We have had an unusual hard winter in Denmark. The temperature had been below zero for almost three months. I recorded -19C as the minimum temperature in my garden. But luckily the ground has been covered by snow from Dec. 15Th to well into march.
As the snow melted two weeks ago I was exited to see that my Eranthis pinnatifida has survived the winter.
My next worry was all the melting water. Could it handle that?
Here two weeks later it seems so, but I had too admit that it could have looked prettier.
Poul
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Pretty enough for me :). I think it's gorgeous.
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I agree with Gunilla - your Eranthis pinnatifida is pretty as a picture Poul :)
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As the snow melted two weeks ago I was exited to see that my Eranthis pinnatifida has survived the winter.
My next worry was all the melting water. Could it handle that?
Here two weeks later it seems so, but I had too admit that it could have looked prettier.
Poul
I was just admiring the eranthis on another thread. Good to see it survived the wetting. Your soil looks quite heavy??
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Gunilla and Robin:
Thanks for the nice words. The flowers are quite OK, but the foliage is somewhat damaged.
I hope they set seeds this year and as there are very few insects I pollinate them daily with a paintbrush.
Gail:
The soil is in fact quite sandy with lots of humus and normally the drainage is good. But on the first pic the ground was frozen except for the upper 2 cm.
Poul
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Poul,
we've had an extreme winter in Cologne, as well. Lots didn't make it through. I simply love your E. pinnatifida. Hope it sets seed. If it is half as easy as E. hyemalis, you should have a field of it in a few years.
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Jamie,
I am afraid that E. pinnatifida is not that easy. This plant is 5 years old and have only set seed one time. Unfortunately none of the 3 (!) seeds germinated. This year I hope I have more luck. My plan is to pollinate with a paint brush and to cover the plant during freezing nights to maximize the chance of good seed setting.
My dream is to have a 'field' of E. pinnatifida like I have of hyemalis.
Poul
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I have little experience with Eranthis pinnatifida. My attempt to grow it outside failed in two years. After that I long searched for it, finally got from several sources few years ago. On picture plants got from late Kath Dryden, one of most marvellous grower met by me.
Far better with me is growing Eranthis stellata from Siberia, very difficult to replant, but well set seeds (without hand pollinating, must be sawn on day or one after harvesting) and blooms abbondantly.
On last picture Eranthis hyemalis Aurantiaca (on right corner Schwefelglanz flowers).
Janis
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Bad news about the hardness of my Eranthis pinnatifida. I was wondering the other day why the flowers were not developing properly, gave the stalk a tug and it came away, the bulb was rotten underneath. :(
Susan
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Few shots of Eranthis cilicica on Gembos Yaila, Turkey near Akseki
Janis
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Sorry to hear about your E. pinnatifida Susan.
Janis, thank you so much for posting those wonderful pictures. The sheets of E. cilicica in the wild are just stunning and the E. stellata especially will I think, be something for us all to dream about!
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Hi Janis, thanks for the super shots of Eranthis.
regards, Wolfgang
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My small collection of Eranthis,
Regards, Wolfgang
E. pinnatifida
E. Schlyters Riese.
E. Schwefelglanz
E. Semi plena 1
E.Semi Plena
Eranthis Grünling
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another
E. Orange Glow
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Eranthis hyemalis Flore Plena
Janis
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These are all beautiful forms, I never knew there were so many different ones.
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Few shots of Eranthis cilicica on Gembos Yaila, Turkey near Akseki
Janis
I love these shots of Eranthis cilicica in the wild and I'm interested that they grow much more like a crocus meadow in their chosen habitat. In the garden or in between rocks they seem to grow more as a clump.
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My small collection of Eranthis,
Regards, Wolfgang
E. pinnatifida
E. Schlyters Riese.
E. Schwefelglanz
E. Semi plena 1
E.Semi Plena
Eranthis Grünling
It's lovely to see so many different Eranthis side by side in you lovely collection Wolfgang :)
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At last (most of the) snow in the town garden is gone.
Cheers
Göte
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In 2008, Geir Moen in Norway wrote about his pink eranthis.
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1605.0
I hope we can see pictures of it this year.
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Now Eranthis longistipitata from Khirghizia is blooming
Janis
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That is really beautiful with the little stem holding the flower above the leafy ruff. Thanks for the picture Janis. :)
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Janis
Is there a chance to get seeds of this Eranthis longistipitata from you ?
Thanks
Hans
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Janis
Is there a chance to get seeds of this Eranthis longistipitata from you ?
Thanks
Hans
Weather is very cold and no pollinators fly, will see later in season.
Janis
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OK Janis .....we have to wait :-\
Hans
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Jamie,
I am afraid that E. pinnatifida is not that easy. This plant is 5 years old and have only set seed one time. Unfortunately none of the 3 (!) seeds germinated. This year I hope I have more luck. My plan is to pollinate with a paint brush and to cover the plant during freezing nights to maximize the chance of good seed setting.
My dream is to have a 'field' of E. pinnatifida like I have of hyemalis.
Poul
The pollination seems to have succeeded....
Poul
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The pollination seems to have succeeded....
Poul
Bravo Poul, good luck with that field of dreams!
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Poul,
that's just great! I've noticed quite a few plants behaving very well and setting seed after this last extreme Winter. I wonder if this has anything to do with it? Maybe the longer than typical dormancy unlocks reserves or triggers somehting.
Good luck with the seed!
Jamie
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May your dreams come true Poul. :D
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I like picturing of leaves. Here leaves of Eranthis pinnatifida, stellata from Russia and stellata (?) from China, last is smaller in size. All with seedpods.
Janis
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Only the ordinary Eranthis Hyemalis but it has produced seed pods for the first time and I hope they will spread their seed - inspired by the success of others on this thread!
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Only the ordinary Eranthis Hyemalis but it has produced seed pods for the first time and I hope they will spread their seed - inspired by the success of others on this thread!
Remember that in their first year, they will only form cotyledons. The characteristic foliage first appears (in diminutive form) the year after germination.
So when you see, next spring, little "weed" seedlings of a hitherto-unfamiliar type around your eranthis, don't weed them out! Those are the babies!
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Roger, thanks for your advice - I just hope they germinate and I have a carpet of gold in two years time :D
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Roger, thanks for your advice - I just hope they germinate and I have a carpet of gold in two years time :D
Make your expectation five years. Eranthis take a surprisingly long time to reach flowering size.
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Only the ordinary Eranthis Hyemalis but it has produced seed pods for the first time and I hope they will spread their seed - inspired by the success of others on this thread!
I am surprised that they do not set seed regularly in your place. We get seedlings to that extent that they are nearly an embarassment (I cannot make myself calling them a weed).
When they reach a kind of critical size of clump they will start rolling but I am afraid Rodger is right you will have to wait.
Remember Patience is THE cardinal virtue of a gardener. ;D
It is difficult to move them since the corms look just as clods of earth.
Göte
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It is difficult to move [Eranthis hyemalis] since the corms look just as clods of earth.
I've always moved them in the green, with great success. The key is to replant them immediately. If possible, do the work on a wet day
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Re your generous offer of seed Rodger, you realize I'll be in my 70s when they flower. Maybe I should mark out a rectangular area in which to lie, and have the seed scattered over me.
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It is difficult to move [Eranthis hyemalis] since the corms look just as clods of earth.
I've always moved them in the green, with great success. The key is to replant them immediately. If possible, do the work on a wet day
I am sure you are right. This year I will try to move a few hudred of them as they start to fade a little. I need to clear an area.
Göte
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Has anyone else come across this fungal infection on their eranthis? I think I read something about it in the RHS magazine a while ago but can't find the reference.
The leaves show pustules of black spores then the stems split open as in the centre of the second picture. I noticed it first last year and have been removing and binning affected plants. It seems to spread quickly which is unfortunate as I was just getting a nice carpet of eranthis!
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Oh, yuck! Off outside to check on mine :-\
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It didn't take this long! I got sidetracked.... including walk with dogs!
I don't see any splitting on stems as shown in Gail's pix but there are some spots on the foliage that look suspiciously like these ones from the pic above...[attach=1]
Apart from these few biscuit-coloured spots... which do not show any signs of black spores ( under 20 times lens) the plants look very healthy.... should I be worried, do you think? :-X
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I've certainly got some which have the same spots as yours - I haven't watched individual plants yet to see if that is the first sign of infection but will do so now and suggest you keep your eye on yours; if you see the black spores you need to remove affected plants and bag & bin or burn them.
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I know many people don't like to use insecticides or fungicides but if something like this is suspected or expected, wouldn't it be smart to apply a systemic fungicide BEFORE the event rather than waiting until the symptoms are seen? I've done that with the botrytis that has affected my frits in recent years and the problem is just about gone now. I drench with a systemic fungicide around now (autumn) when roots are forming and later as the bulbs come through I spray them. It's a nuisance but worth the effort in healthier plants and better seed set.
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Yes, probably very sensible. I always get confused by which fungicides are suitable/legal now though (I haven't cleared the shed out in a while so don't know what I've got in there!)
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you realize I'll be in my 70s when they flower.
And so what? ;D ;D
I am already past that age and women live longer than men.
Cheer up! There is always time to plant an acorn
Göte
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Thanks for reminding me Gote, that I have at least another 25 years or more to go. I could almost believe it if it were not for my back and knees! ;D
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Lesley
My father planted rhododendron seeds when he was over 70
and of course he saw them flower
be optimist and I have no time for dying and after a bad day
there comes a good day was his motto
Roland
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you realize I'll be in my 70s when they flower.
And so what? ;D ;D
I am already past that age and women live longer than men.
Cheer up! There is always time to plant an acorn
Göte
Or Haycorn as Piglet would have said.
Göte
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Hi all,
I can offer for swap now some seeds of Eranthis -there is no 100% guarantee that the seeds comes true ....but it is worth a try !
Eranthis cilicica
hyemalis 'Gruenling'
hyemalis 'Flore Plena'
hyemalis 'Orange Glow'
hyemalis 'Aurantiaca'
If anybody is interestet so please send me a PM
Hans
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Hello Hans
Would be nice to have some seeds of
hyemalis 'Orange Glow'
hyemalis 'Aurantiaca'
If you like I have some bulbs from E.cilitica from wild origin
Roland
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Roland ,
I will write you a PM !
Hans
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Anyone who is interested in fresh seed of E. hyemalis, drop me a PM. It is nothing special, just the classic winter aconite.