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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Miriam on February 06, 2010, 02:40:14 PM
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The first Tulip for this year: Tulipa agenensis subsp. sharonensis.
This species is growing near the coast line on sandy soils.
It does not require low temperatures in order to bloom.
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Super photos, Miriam. What a great start to the tulip season.... I can almost feel the sunshine from that flower!
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Couldn't agree more Maggi !!
Super pictures Miriam !!
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Tulipa, now here's a genus I get excited about! I have found that many tulip species and cultivars are exceptionally fragrant. Miriam, did you notice any fragrance on these? How many Tulipa species are there in Israel?
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Incredibly striking, I love the black markings with yellow edging inside this bright red tulip - it must really stand out on the coast line Miriam and presumably likes the salty sea air :)
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Wow Miriam :o - striking plant and very well captured!
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Thank you all :)
Mark,
I have not noticed any fragrant.
There are 4 species of Tulipa in Israel:
*Tulipa agenensis (and the subsp. sharonensis)
*Tulipa systola
*Tulipa lownei
*Tulipa polychroma
For more information and photos:
http://www.wildflowers.co.il/english/plantsIndex.asp
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Miriam,
wow what a gorgeous Tulip! :o
What is the destine feature of T.agenensis ssp. sharonensis?
The cremish-white anthers?
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Thanks Miriam, that link is great.... I've been on it before, but I just wondered around for an hour looking at the marvelous plants. Wow, check out Onosma gigantea on that link (select the additional pics), simply amazing, all the way down Draba oxycarpa on Mt. Herman. All the photos are artistically taken and crystal clear.
Now, back to Tulipa. I got excited when I saw T. polychroma on your list of 4 species for Israel. I grow this one, an absolute charmer. That species is fairly common in cultivation, but suspect it must derive from accessions in Afghanistan or Iran, as the coloration is a little different than the ones shown growing in Israel. That species has sweetly perfumed flowers.
I see on the Wild Flowers of Israel site, that the common name for Tulipa agenensis is "Sun's-eye Tulip", probably referring to the yellow outline on the black center, certainly a striking tulip!
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Mark,
Glad you liked the website.
T. polychroma is growing here in the mountains area of the Negev desert in south of Israel.
Armin,
There are several differences:
*The flowers of Tulipa agenensis are bigger and more reddish than the flowers of Tulipa agenensis subsp. sharonensis.
*The leaves of Tulipa agenensis are more curly and not straight as appear often in Tulipa agenensis subsp. sharonensis.
*Tulipa agenensis grows in the mountains area and Tulipa agenensis subsp. sharonensis grows in the coast plane area.
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Miriam,
many thanks for the details. A beauti!
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Thanks, Miriam, for the pics and the information.
We look forward to seeing more as they flower ;D
cheers
fermi
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Superb pics Miriam, as usual !
we also have a Tulipa agenensis in France ( of course, from Agen city ), almost extinct in the wild, thank's to herbicids.
It looks a bit bigger than your ssp, and leaves seems to be larger.
Very very nice to see the first Tulip flowering now, as we still have 20 cm snow in the garden.....
Thank's for sharing :)
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My first Tulip of spring.
Tulipa orithyioides
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Looking good Michael !!
Is that outside ??
Not even a Tulip bud in sight here yet !!
(7 cm of snow again this morning.... >:()
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Luc,no it is in the greenhouse. It is still -5C here at night but wall to wall sunshine all day for a change,it is about a month since we have had any sunshine until yesterday
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A very nice link, thanks Miriam. In similar websites I always go to "I" for Iris and have a little fix of the species pictured. Israel's offering is among the finest of course. I was very surprised to see there too, Imperata cylindrica which I grow in the 'Red Baron' selection (or is it just a name attached to make marketing easier?) I always thought it was a Japanese plant. ???
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Michael:
I just completed an attached greenhouse. Could you give a rundown of temperatures you use in your greenhouse.
I plan to grow some South African and Central Asian bulbs.
Arnold
New Jersey
13 inches of snow here
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Arnold, I keep my greenhouse with the South African bulbs open all the time (Door, roof lights, and louvers both sides)except when frost is forecast. Then I close up everything and set a little fan heater at between 4 and 6C. It is on a time switch and is only on from 1700 hrs in the evening until 900 hrs in the morning. The other greenhouse has the same arrangement but the heater is set at 1C, just enough for frost protection.
Most winters here I don't need the heaters at all, but this year has been exceptionally cold.
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Michael:
Thanks so much. I like the idea of a timer. Our weather here is much colder.
Arnold
New Jersey
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Amana edulis
I have only a single clone so would be delighted to swap pollen if anyone is interested.
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It looks splendid in but Ashley !! :o
Don't forget to post another picture when it opens !! 8)
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Well flowered Ashley.
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I don't think ours are even showing above the soil yet!
I was thinking the buds were like well-marked crocus...... :D
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'Will do Luc, although I usually find that it opens only a little before going over.
Well if it's too early Maggi then I'll freeze pollen in case anyone wants some later. In the meantime I'll keep fingers crossed for a PM ;)
Does anyone grow any of the other Amana species?
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I only grow A. edulis, but still under snow and ground level :(
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My first tulip of the year - and a favourite.
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Two species of tulipa are in bloom at the moment in the Negev desert;
T. biflora, common at the higher elevations from 800-1000m
T. systola, a stunner red color that can be noticed from miles away...
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Two species of fulipa are in bloom at the moment in the Negev desert;
T. biflora, common at the higher elevations from 800-1000m
T. systola, a stunner red color that can be noticed from miles away...
Stunning! Both are stunning. Love those Tulipa species with crinkly-edged leaves. What's the showy pink-flowered plant behind T. systola, is it a Cistus? What elevation can T. systola be found? (thinking about what the hardiness possibilities might be).
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Great pics oron !!
I saw T. biflora in Syria, but T. stylosa is fantastic ! What a color contrast with the ground :o
I think the pink flowers is an Helianthemum.
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Amana edulis
I have only a single clone so would be delighted to swap pollen if anyone is interested.
I have only a single clone - its a good doer ... bet its the same clone!
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Thanks guys,
Fred you are right it is Helianthemum vesicarium, usually plain pink but at about 1000m it appears in many colors.
Mark, Tulipa systola grows at all elevations up to about 900m.
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What's the latest nomenclature on Tulipa biflora versus T. polychroma ??? I went to the Wildflowers of Israel site, and didn't see biflora listed, but T. polychroma is listed.
http://www.wildflowers.co.il/english/plantsIndex.asp
I found some links that indicate polychroma as a synonym, and some sites listing it as biflora.
http://www.treknature.com/gallery/Middle_East/Israel/photo98434.htm
If it is true that T. polychroma is a synonym for biflora, is it true throughout the whole range of the species (in Turkey, Afghanistan, Iran, and elsewhere). I notice that the species in Isreal can have more pink shading on the exterior than plants common in cultivation which are probably sourced from other places. In the Phillips and Rix book on bulbs, it is listed as T. biflora.
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Mark
It is T. biflora, used to be called in the past [in Flora Palestina] T. polychroma.
Tulipa polychroma is said to be growing in Iran and described as a robuster plant than P. biflora but i never seen a photo or a description of it in the wild.
I'm not sure that T. polychroma that is widely grown in cultivation is the true species.
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Oron,
super tulips 8) Is T. biflora stoloniferous?
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From KEW world checklist, both species are accepted and different !
I've never seen a pink (tepals) T. polychroma, as seen in T. biflora.
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Oron,
super tulips 8) Is T. biflora stoloniferous?
No Armin it isn't, infact i liked this group of plants growing in a straight line.
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From KEW world checklist, both species are accepted and different !
I've never seen a pink (tepals) T. polychroma, as seen in T. biflora.
Thanks Fred, I was wondering if that was the case, whereby the plants in Israel are a separate species. Here are a few photos of T. polychroma (from Dutch bulb sources) taken in 2006. The first photo shows the pastel soft grayish-greenish slightly tinged purplish backs of the flowers, then two photos after the sun came out. Oron, do you notice any fragrance in T. biflora? Tulipa polychroma flowers have a rich fragrance.
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No i havnt noticed any perfume, by the way how many flowers are there per a single bulb?
In biflora generally there is only one flower per bulb, often two and just rarely three flowers per bulb.
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No i havnt noticed any perfume, by the way how many flowers are there per a single bulb?
In biflora generally there is only one flower per bulb, often two and just rarely three flowers per bulb.
Typically 3-4 (most often 4) per bulb; in the first photo 4-flowers per bulb can be seen in a couple clear enough spots. The photo in the Phillips & Rix "Bulbs" book, showing the entire plant with the bulb, has three flowers blooming and 1 unopened bud, thus four. Of course, this book gives T. polychroma as a synonym of biflora, so maybe what is pictured there is more representative of polychroma.
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Wonderful pictures Oron ! Fabulous tulips !
T. systola was on my wants list - these pix remind me why !! :o :o
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Thanks Luc
Mark another thing, i understand where the 'biflora' name derives from but in the form you have shown what 'polycroma' stands for?
Biflora = Two flowers
Polychroma= Many colors
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Mark,
an invalid name for T. polychroma ->Tulipa biflora var. grandiflora :-\
Oron,
I have T. turkestanica (not stoloniferous) and T. biflora (flower like T. turkestanica, red stem, undulated leaves, stoloniferus!, always 1-3 flowers per stem, height 15-20cm max). (And there there is T. bifloriformis).
What is the correct name for my biflora?
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Mark, an invalid name for T. polychroma ->Tulipa biflora var. grandiflora :-\
Interesting!
I have T. turkestanica (not stoloniferous) and T. biflora (flower like T. turkestanica, red stem, undulated leaves, stoloniferus!, always 1-3 flowers per stem, height 15-20cm max). (And there there is T. bifloriformis).
What is the correct name for my biflora?
Armin, that's an impressive T. turkestanica clump :o We need to get Janis to offer his opinion on the turkestanica / bifloriformis issue. He addresses some of this in his book Buried Treasure, and I guess the two are very close, lots of confusion. Later on I'll post my T. bifloriformis photos and ask Janis to comment... meanwhile I must run while the sun still shines today.
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Here is Tulipa biflora from Syria,... with only one bud !
pink tepals ( not shown on this bad above pic )
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Fred,
very beautiful T. biflora.
I found some hint in Peter Nijssen catalogue. My biflora likely derive from Caspian Sea or Caucasus area. It looks like a small version of T. turkestanica.
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Janis Ruksans in his book Buried Treasure, writes about the Tulipa bifloriformis-T. turkestanica complex. He reports "At Chimgan we had to find T. bifloriformis, whose anthers are mostly black. As it happens, we found plants with all variations of anther color: they were black, yellow, and yellow with a black tip".
I uploaded two photos of what I have as T. bifloriformis obtained some years ago from Jane McGary. Some people have suggested my plants look like T. turkestanica, not surprising when learning about the similarity between the species. In the photos I show, there are dark anthers, which is supposed to place it in the bifloriformis camp. Curiously, in the Phillips & Rix "Bulbs" book, there's a photo of T. turkestanica, with the caption reading "Tulipa turkestanica Regel. This plant, from commercial stock, shows the dark anthers supposed to be a character of T. bifloriformis Vved."... (so are they actually showing T. bifloriformis?).
Perhaps Janis can comment on these two species, is there a definite way to tell the two apart. And it seems, most of what is being grown actually sides with the T. bifloriformis camp. Comments?
PS. In the second photo, ignore the distracting yellow thimble-weeds behind the Tulipa :D
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Mark,
many thanks for the T. bifloriformis photos. There are similarities with my tulipa.
Is yours stoloniferous?
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Mark,
Is yours stoloniferous?
Not that I'm aware of. I do scratch in seed around the base plants, and there are younger seedling plants.
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I've been in touch with Sara Gold, manager of the Wildflowers of Israel site. She encourages usage of this valuable resource.
http://www.wildflowers.co.il/english/plantsIndex.asp
I used the web site feedback mechanism when I spotted one out of the seven photos of Allium carmeli looked suspect, showing a scabrid red-flowered Allium (of section Allium), and not the pink smooth-tepalled A. carmeli as beautifully depicted in the other views. A correction was made, that one photo taken down. We got to chatting, and it's a small world, as she mentions having lived in the Boston area 30 years ago, not far from where I am.
I asked about the issue regarding nomenclature; the aforementioned Tulipa polychroma versus T. biflora status in Israel, and they are taking it under advisement. When she last responded, she sent along a photo she took last week (approx Feb. 14, 2010) of a Tulipa species in bloom... looks like T. systola agenensis (thanks Oron!). I downsized the image and share it with you here.
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Thanks for your reply Mark,
maybe Janis can comment and advise.
The photo of T. systola in the wild is great!
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Interesting observations Mark !
Thanks for enclosing the pix from the Israel site : glorious !!
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When she last responded, she sent along a photo she took last week (approx Feb. 14, 2010) of a Tulipa species in bloom... looks like T. systola. I downsized the image and share it with you here.
Mark,
The tulip in the photo is T. agenensis, recognized by the pointed petals.
Tulipa systola is a more solitary plant and grows generally in clearance, undisturbed by other plants.
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Mark,
The tulip in the photo is T. agenensis, recognized by the pointed petals.
Tulipa systola is a more solitary plant and grows generally in clearance, undisturbed by other plants.
Oron, thanks for the correct ID, I corrected the message above and retitled the image as well. :)
I had a 50/50 chance of getting it right (only 2 red Tulipa in Israel), yet I still got it wrong... too hastily jumped to conclusions ::)
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If I will have time before leaving to mountains next week I will try to translate key for Centreal Asian sp. of bifloriformis/turkestanica group, but few years ago I tried to make a key and failed as various sources are too contradictious. In many cases the wool on inner surface of bulb covering sheets, its intensity, position (at top, throughout or at bottom) are main features listed to separate species.
Regarding plychroma comparing with biflora - if I remember well - polychroma in Iran was much larger plant.
Janis
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I think this one is Tulipa polychroma from Iran, pictured by me two years ago. I can't reach my office and nursery to controll due heavy snowing and closed roads.
Janis
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Tulipa Turkestanica Aman-Kutan
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Tulipa Turkestanica Aman-Kutan
Michael
A very nice tulip.
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Tulipa Turkestanica Aman-Kutan
among the most beautiful i have seen!
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I agree with Cohan - it stands out a mile :)
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Very nice indeed Michael.
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Each year the first one to flower :Tulipa cretica
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Kris,
a good start of the Tulip season. :)
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Kris,
a good start of the Tulip season. :)
Thanks Armin .I saw this species once in Crete and since that moment I am only partially happy with the performance of this tulip in our lowland ...
In Crete the leaves grow very flat on a scree .This was a wonderful sight there in Crete.
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This very small Tulip needs plenty of sun to keep small... I have the same problem in the frame, but they look nice in the open rockery.
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Each year the first one to flower :Tulipa cretica
Presumably this lovely little tulip needs to be kept frost free Kris?
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Not at all !!
Mines have resisted -10°C :)
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That's good news, thanks Fred :)
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This very small Tulip needs plenty of sun to keep small... I have the same problem in the frame, but they look nice in the open rockery.
Thanks Fred . I try this one outside in the future.
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[Presumably this lovely little tulip needs to be kept frost free Kris?
Not at all !!
Mines have resisted -10°C :)
A pleasant surprise :D :D :D
Thanks Fred.
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Beautiful T. cretica, Kris.
T. saxatilis started to flower, here about the double in size of T. cretica - but still much smaller and delicate than the large form of this species normally obtainable in trade.
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Very attractive Hans !
Have you not been suffering from the snow that also hit Mallorca from what I heard on the news ??
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Thanks Luc -yes we have very low temperatures actually and it was something strange to see for example flowering Oncos standing in the snow - hope I suffered more than the plants ;)
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Thanks Luc -yes we have very low temperatures actually and it was something strange to see for example flowering Oncos standing in the snow - hope I suffered more than the plants ;)
I was wondering about your beautiful plants, having heard stories from friends in Catalunya!! I hope you don't have any casualties.
Lovely tulip!!
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Fingers crossed Hans ! ;)
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T. saxatilis started to flower
A superb photo of a lovely tulip Hans - hope your plants survive in spite of the snow and cold weather :o
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My first tulip is finally open: Tulipa subbiflora from Tadjikistan.
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Gorgeous Tulip LucS ! The pink tinge on the outside of the petals makes it even more attractive !
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Wow, fantastic Luc - lights up the day :)
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My first tulip is finally open: Tulipa subbiflora from Tadjikistan.
Gorgeous tulipa Luc! Is is fragrant? I find that many tulipa species has delightful fragrance (like polychroma does).
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No fragrance Mark.
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No fragrance Mark.
In that case, you might want to discard your plant, I'm happy to help you out with the process ;D
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Or swap it for a few allium species .... ;) ;)
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More tulips from Belgium ! :D
1 & 2 Tulipa 'Showwinner' - an old cultivar but always the first to open in the garden !
3 & 4 Tulipa pulchella violacea - not rare at all but flowering reliably each year
5 & 6 Tulipa hissarica - from Tajikistan - a real dwarf - hardly 5 cm high !
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More tulips from Belgium ! :D
1 & 2 Tulipa 'Showwinner' - an old cultivar but always the first to open in the garden !
3 & 4 Tulipa pulchella violacea - not rare at all but flowering reliably each year
5 & 6 Tulipa hissarica - from Tajikistan - a real dwarf - hardly 5 cm high !
Luc,
is Tulipa 'Showwinner' a T. greigii-cultivar? Think so, because of the stripes on the foliage.
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Wonderful to see tulips again Luc, your garden must be much more colourful than mine :D and I love the little one:
Tulipa hissarica - from Tajikistan - a real dwarf - hardly 5 cm high !
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5 & 6 Tulipa hissarica - from Tajikistan - a real dwarf - hardly 5 cm high !
Great stuff Luc 8)
Under glass I find that hissarica flowers before the scape extends, & soon goes over while still buried within the sheaf of leaves :-\
Next year I must try it outside instead.
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More tulips from Belgium ! :D
That sounds rather ??.........., Luc ;D ;D
You are ways ahead Luc, at least with Showwinner, but you are 100 kms more South 8)
Luc,
is Tulipa 'Showwinner' a T. greigii-cultivar? Think so, because of the stripes on the foliage.
Uli, T. Showwinner belongs to the Kaufmanniana Group.
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Beautiful tulips, LucS and LucB.
Like them all!
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Thanks for the compliments everyone...
Ulli,
Obviously I agree with the opinion of a Dutch specialist !!!
Luit,
I know that it must sound odd to a Dutchman to read "Tulips from Belgium" ;D ;D - but at least they GROW here... ;)
Ashley,
Hissarica does have this unfortunate habit ! Even outside, in a less cold Winter than this one, it has flowered when hardly above ground.
So a real Winter is what it likes best !!
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Luit,
I know that it must sound odd to a Dutchman to read "Tulips from Belgium" ;D ;D - but at least they GROW here... ;)
;D ;D ;D ;)
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Lovely display Luc.
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Thank you all for the information.
Hope to see more "Tulips from Belgium" and a lot more "Dutch Tulips". Hope to see my first tulips at Easter.
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Some Z.P. Botschantseva's extra early kaufmanniana tulips (selections from wild) are now in bloom: Sijanie ('shining') and 'Utro' ('morning'). They just opened yesterday. Hope in few days they will become more decorative. These varieties were thought to be lost forever, but ....
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They look gorgeous Zhirair !
The short stalks make them look even more attractive to me !! 8)
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Are you the one who found them again, Zhirair?
Flowering here now T.kaufmanniana 'Sunrise' (Voshod Solntsa)
and new for us this year T.biebersteiniana.
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Nice Tulips Zihair!
Like the Sijanie. It has nice outer pedals markings.
Simon,
T. biebersteiniana is lovely and early. It resembles a bit T. sylvestris...
My first tulip this year T. kaufmannia 'Corona'.
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Are you the one who found them again, Zhirair?
Flowering here now T.kaufmanniana 'Sunrise' (Voshod Solntsa)
and new for us this year T.biebersteiniana.
Simon, does T. biebersteiniana always have 8 petals, or is it just an anomelous flower? It is a pretty one. It does look like T. sylvestris, one that was given to me years ago, but all that one ever does is spread and make lots of leaves, had 1 flower in the last 6 years or so.
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It is the first year I have had it, so the 8 petals were a bit of a surprise- I can only assume it will settle down next year. Janis' catalogue says it is a close ally of T.sylvestris from the Caucasus. I have T.sylvestris in bud at the moment. The leaves of this are wider and the buds are laying down on the ground just now, whereas T.biebersteiniana kept its bud low and pendent, but not to the point of inviting questions as to its sobriety ;)
That's a lovely bright kaufmanniana, Armin.
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re: Tulipa acuminata
Is this Tulipa usually viral? After years of searching I got a dozen from a very reputable nurseryman last year. I realize some of these bizarre ones are bizarre due to virus however these are blatantly viral with streaked leaves and some twisted leaves, not just beautifully streaked flowers as one expects. Can it live with the virus and if normal has it done so for all these years since its introduction?
johnw
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In the glasshouses of Keukenhof (Lisse) I saw this funny tulip:
Tulipa Darw. Hybr. Gr. Leo
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Amazing Luit - it looks as though it is on fire!
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In the glasshouses of Keukenhof (Lisse) I saw this funny tulip:
Tulipa Darw. Hybr. Gr. Leo
Hmmm, doesn't really improve on the classic shape and form of tulip blossoms, but I suppose it depends on one's taste :P
Color is bright, but the diced up petals are a distraction in my opinion, the second one is reminscent of a filigree-petalled Dianthus or Papaver
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Mark, I would not buy it myself.
For me the Triumph tulips have the flower form I like most in tulips.
here is a newer one:
Tulipa Triumph Gr. Red Bull
and a few Darwin Hybr.:
Tulipa Darw. Hybr. Gr. Cosmopolitan 1
Tulipa Darw. Hybr. Gr. Candy Apple Delight 1
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Mark, I would not buy it myself.
For me the Triumph tulips have the flower form I like most in tulips.
here is a newer one:
Tulipa Triumph Gr. Red Bull
and a few Darwin Hybr.:
Tulipa Darw. Hybr. Gr. Cosmopolitan 1
Tulipa Darw. Hybr. Gr. Candy Apple Delight 1
YES!!! :o :o That's the eye-candy I'd rather see... all are gorgeous elegant tulips, thanks for sharing.
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After the mildest and earliest spring season over the past 10 years, cold has returned with a vengeance, some freezing rain last night and bitterly cold today although slightly above freezing. Tonight, it is supposed to be a deep freeze, to 18 F (-9 C). I photographed some of the emerging Tulipa kaufmanniana cultivars and other Tulipa today, and wonder how they'll do. Here's a photo of T. kaufmanniana 'Stressa', the cupped sheathing leaves serving as a water vessel... will the water freezing and expanding damage the buds and foliage tissue?
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Following up on the previous photo, the weathermen accurately predicted the sudden deep freeze overnight, it was 18 degrees F (-9 C) this morning, and everything is frozen solid. Here's the same water-pooling T. kaufmanniana 'Stressa' stressed by being frozen. The leaves and flowers on crocus and other plants are hard and brittle this morning, we'll see how they recover when it warms up. This is the problem when getting a precocious spring where everything is leafing out and budding up too early, at greater risk at getting "zapped" by a hard freeze.
The second photo shows what this group of tulips look like in flower, in April:
Left to right: 'Stressa', 'Heart's Delight', 'Johann Strauss', Tulipa polychroma behind on the left. Cultivar names as purchased, but not verified.
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Mark,
very nice your T. kaufmanniana group. A warm spot in the sun.
Your T. polychroma is a superb form of this species. Is this a wild collected form. My forms have only little flowers. Enough for me, because I like this kind of tulip flowers.
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re: Tulipa acuminata
Is this Tulipa usually viral? After years of searching I got a dozen from a very reputable nurseryman last year. I realize some of these bizarre ones are bizarre due to virus however these are blatantly viral with streaked leaves and some twisted leaves, not just beautifully streaked flowers as one expects. Can it live with the virus and if normal has it done so for all these years since its introduction?
johnw
John,
pity to hear that tulipa acuminata tourned out to be virus infected. It can live with virus for years, but from year to year it gets weakened, gradually degradating. Besides it can serve as a reservoir for spreading of infection. I strongly recommend to distroy your stock and trash it.
This tulip isn't bizarre due to virus infection. Some of my collegues grow healthy stock of it. I don't think that it is a hard-to-find tulip. It is widely available by reasonable prises. In CIS countries it is also a very easily available. I hope this year you'll have the opportunity to obtain healthy stock.
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In the glasshouses of Keukenhof (Lisse) I saw this funny tulip:
Tulipa Darw. Hybr. Gr. Leo
Luit,
The sport of DHT 'Oxford' 'Leo' is really interesting and curious by its unusual and funny shape. Thanks a lot for showing it and advancing our knowledge in tulips. There is another tulip called 'Gnome's Cup' - sport from DHT 'Apeldoorn' selected by Latvian grower Evalds Paupers, having similar shape.I grow it for several years. Can't say it is very beautiful, but no doubt - interesting. Worthy to grow to show diversity.
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Mark, I would not buy it myself.
For me the Triumph tulips have the flower form I like most in tulips.
here is a newer one:
Tulipa Triumph Gr. Red Bull
and a few Darwin Hybr.:
Tulipa Darw. Hybr. Gr. Cosmopolitan 1
Tulipa Darw. Hybr. Gr. Candy Apple Delight 1
Luit,
Great thank for showing us this wonderful tulips. You are a smart photographer; I strongly appriciate when peoaple show the flowers in their close and open conditions, which allows to make a full idea about the way the cultivars look. I am especially impressed by DHT tulips, which seriously differ by colour from old assortment. Actually those tulips introduced by Dutch company Maveridge B.V. are considerably special.
http://www.maveridge.com/pg-1996-7-26546/pagina/home.html
The company is also a representative of famous French scientific and breeding institude INRA in Holland, registering and growing their tulips. As far as I know DHT 'Candy Apple Delight' is a hybrid of a single early tulip with fosteriana tulip. In the website Maveridge B.V. there are a number of such tulips (among them are some colour breaks) illustrated under EARLY HYBRIDS (the list also includes 'Candy Apple Delight' and 'Cosmopolitan').
By the way, I wanted to mention that TT 'Red Bull' in the second photo is infected with self-break (initial stage of diseas development). If you attentively look at the photo you will notice the rare darker tripes on the main background of petals.
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John,
pity to hear that tulipa acuminata tourned out to be virus infected. It can live with virus for years, but from year to year it gets weakened, gradually degradating. Besides it can serve as a reservoir for spreading of infection. I strongly recommend to distroy your stock and trash it.
This tulip isn't bizarre due to virus infection. Some of my collegues grow healthy stock of it. I don't think that it is a hard-to-find tulip. It is widely available by reasonable prises. In CIS countries it is also a very easily available. I hope this year you'll have the opportunity to obtain healthy stock.
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Zhirair - Is this virus specific to Tulipa?
johnw
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Zhirair - Is this virus specific to Tulipa?
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John,
it is specific to tulipa and many plants from Liliaceae. But it doesn't infect, for example, plants from ammarilidaceae, as daffodils, hyppeastrum, etc. Their virus is caused by different pathogen.
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Mark,
very nice your T. kaufmanniana group. A warm spot in the sun.
Your T. polychroma is a superb form of this species. Is this a wild collected form. My forms have only little flowers. Enough for me, because I like this kind of tulip flowers.
My T. polychroma is the regular form available in fall bulb bins at local nurseries, but so far as species Tulipa go, it is one of the finest and does well here. The flowers are richly fragrant.
The freeze: it warmed up to 40 F (4 C), and all the tulipa and other bulbs hardly seemed to have noticed the deep frreze overnight.
Buds: Tulipa bifloriformis and polychroma are budding, I like to show plants when doing other things than just flowering. The buds on T. bifloriformis are interesting, as they coil and snake along, eventually turning upright. Photo 4 shows a branched flower stem. Photo 5 taken this morning when frozen solid, with Crocus malyi 'Sveti Roc' in back.
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Superb tulips everybody!
Here some tulips - first two pictures show a "T.saxatilis" tradeform - wondering it gets so many flowers per stalk.
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Looking very "Springlike" Hans !! :D
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Hans, your T. cretica is a charmer!
Just thought I'd let you Tulipa fans know of a posting I made about high-fire clay pots, which just so happens to be planted with a select form of Tulipa vvedenskyi, worth growing for the foliage alone, although the flower are red hot too.
Take a look here:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2645.msg145533#msg145533
I hope that Janis will show us some of his T. vvedenskyi hybrids when they flower this year.
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Superb tulips everybody!
And yours are super too Hans - I just love those tulip faces opening flat out in your garden 8)
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Superb tulips everybody!
And yours are super too Hans - I just love those tulip faces opening flat out in your garden 8)
My T. cretica maid leaves in autumn and... lost them due frost in winter :'(
But first tulips started blooming here, too. As the first allways are species from mysterious Tulipa bifloriformis/turkestanica complex. Follows Tulipa hissarica (not pictured today).
On pictures Tulipa turkestanica from Nuratau ridge near Timurlan gate.
On other something mysterious Tulip. It was collected at Oudzhasai, not far from Tashkent in Uzbekistan. I have at present only 3 bulbs only now noted that one of them has unusually wide leaves and flowers sitting in rosette. Other two has leaves more tipical to this complex and flowers will develop in typical style - on stem. Checking pictures from previous years I found that this one plant allways had so wide leaves.
Janis
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I hope that Janis will show us some of his T. vvedenskyi hybrids when they flower this year.
I grow some of Janis's hybrids Mc Mark - they're very good doers multiplying well !! :D :D
Weather permitting I should have some ready for pix in a couple of days. :D :D
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beautiful tulips!
hans--cretica is perfect!
mcmark--glad your freeze wasn't fatal--i was hopeful for you, as some of those tulips can be grown here, and -9C(overnight) is nice spring weather for us ;) of course early emergence is always tricky...
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tulips now in flower
biflora - native Armenian form, very miniature
kaufmanniana 'Sijanie' (Botschantseva)
kaufmanniana 'Tukuma Sonata' (I. Kalnins)
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kaufmanniana 'Solanus'
kaufmanniana 'Duplosa' (I don't like double tulips, just grow for my visitors to show diversity)
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Kind request to Luit;
Dear Luit, would you, please, show this photos to one of your known tulip specialists to find out what kind of disease it could be.
I observed this abnormality on some of my tulips. At the start of development they have healthy leaves, but during the time of budding all of a sudden the leaves become marbled with somewhat yellowish dots, getting more prominent as the leaves mature. First, when I observed this anomaly, I thought that it might be physiological irregularity, but my tests show that these varieties shows these symptoms every year). Now I think that it might be a disease of viral origin. First time I observed it on tulip 'Purissima', bought 20 years ago from Sochi (Russia), later I obtained a healthy Dutch stock and trashed the old suspicious stock.
This is my foteriana 'Holland National' with the symptoms of this abnormality and greigii 'Longfellow with normal healthy leaves to compare.
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tulips now in flower
biflora - native Armenian form, very miniature
kaufmanniana 'Sijanie' (Botschantseva)
kaufmanniana 'Tukuma Sonata' (I. Kalnins)
What a trio - I just love this set of tulips :D
Thanks for sharing them all, Zhirair 8)
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Great pix everyone.
Here's some starting to flower for me (Janis might recognize some ... ;D)
1 & 2 : Tulipa dubia beldersai
3 & 4 : Tulipa vvedenskyi x mogoltavica "Girlfriend" - a flower that changes amazingly during flowering (will try to show some more in the next few days)
5) Tulipa vvedenskyi x berkariense "Morning Star" - funny how one half of the group is a lot further developped the the other half..
And a bit more common but quite attractive too :
6) and 7) Tulipa humilis "Persian Pearl"
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Nice series Luc. I'm not familiar with T. dubia beldersai, always good to meet a new dwarf tulip! Thanks for showing the T. vvedenskyi hybrid named Girlfriend (you say, more photos to come... I'm waiting :D)... I like the "in bud" photo, leaves show a definite vvedenskyi influence with the undulate edge, and the flower nestled right down in the foliage. Morning Star is unique with the charcoal color "bloom" on the outside of the petals, nice. And who doesn't love T. humilis cultivars, such perfect miniatures.
After 5 days of rain and clouds, the sun came out today and it got very warm, and things were popping. My first tulip in bloom is T. bifloriformis. It is shown next to Crocus malyi 'Sveti Roc' which is looking rather good in its second week and after all the rain, but it is useful to gauge the scale of the Tulipa species against the much large flowers of the crocus :o ... this is a small tulip indeed. Also included are two photos of T. polychroma in bud, ready to pop in a day or two. Supposed to be sunny and hit 80 F (27 C) tomorrow.
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Thanks for your comments Mc Mark - I'm also a big fan of the tulips with special leaf forms !!
I like your bifloriformis too - it's unusual to see a crocus flower bigger than a tulip...
I'm sure you have a lot more fireworks coming up for us ! ;D ;D
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Great pix everyone.
Here's some starting to flower for me (Janis might recognize some ... ;D)
1 & 2 : Tulipa dubia beldersai
3 & 4 : Tulipa vvedenskyi x mogoltavica "Girlfriend" - a flower that changes amazingly during flowering (will try to show some more in the next few days)
5) Tulipa vvedenskyi x berkariense "Morning Star" - funny how one half of the group is a lot further developped the the other half..
And a bit more common but quite attractive too :
6) and 7) Tulipa humilis "Persian Pearl"
Excellent leaf color of T. dubia Beldersai - almost as in nature. Never so dark with me.
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Shortly ago I posted Tulip sp. from bifloriformis/turkestanica group collected at Oudzhasai, not far from Tashkent in Uzbekistan. Now flowers other tulip from same acquisition - more typical. In addition double kaufmanniana selected from seedlings by Latvian breeder Juris Egle and named by him 'Pārsteigums' (Surprise). Nice, Zhirair? Oh, forgot that you don't like doubles... ;D ;D ;D
Janis
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Kind request to Luit;
Dear Luit, would you, please, show this photos to one of your known tulip specialists to find out what kind of disease it could be.
I observed this abnormality on some of my tulips. At the start of development they have healthy leaves, but during the time of budding all of a sudden the leaves become marbled with somewhat yellowish dots, getting more prominent as the leaves mature. First, when I observed this anomaly, I thought that it might be physiological irregularity, but my tests show that these varieties shows these symptoms every year). Now I think that it might be a disease of viral origin. First time I observed it on tulip 'Purissima', bought 20 years ago from Sochi (Russia), later I obtained a healthy Dutch stock and trashed the old suspicious stock.
This is my foteriana 'Holland National' with the symptoms of this abnormality and greigii 'Longfellow with normal healthy leaves to compare.
Zhirair, are you really sure that the bulbs (under the skin) were not affected by some spores of Penicillium of Bothrytis cinerea?
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Luit,
Bulbs were certainly not affected by any fungus. I observed this irregularity on some varieties. Some after were thrown or given to some of our neighbours and every year in their garden they show the same symptoms though develop and bloom very well and make large bulbs.
Janis,
You sent me 'Pārsteigums' few years ago. I kept it one year and then gave it to one of my bulb fellows as I don't that much appriciate double tulips. But among my visitors the double kaufmannianas are the most popular.
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Just want to show some tulips bred in Crimea (Ukraine) by current curator of tulip collection of Nikita Botanic Garden L.M. Aleksandrova. She bread over 200 tulip cultivars; the goal is raising long lasting cultivars withstanding the hot and dry climate of Crimea. The pictures are taken at the local annual exhibition, taking place in May at the Botanic Garden. The most popular tulip over last years is Single Late (Breeder) 'Banushkiny Skazki ('Garandmother's Fairytales'), making a big splash and catching by its unique unusual colour (browinsh with lavender overlay). It is also special for its long lasting qualities (blooming for 24 days in hot climate). There is always a high demand for this tulip among local customers.
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Tulipa hissarica is one of the earliest blooming tulips in garden, quite often with up to 4 flowers from bulb. In wild in Tadjikistan
Tulipa orthopoda is dwarf and by me one of best from bifloriformis/turkestanica group. Can be up to 4 flowers on stem. In wild in Kara-tau mnt.
Tulipa kaufmanniana from Pskem valley in Uzbekistan, tallest of kaufmannianas.
Janis
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I love these wild tulips with their clean cut shapes and elegant colours :)
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Janis,
your tulipa kaufmanniana from Pskem valley is cute. It resembles your 'Ugam' in appearance. What are the differences? Is it taller than 'Ugam'? Your 'Ugam' reaches 55-57 cm during the forth day of blooming in my garden.
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Now 8 something similar pictures but all they represents wild collections in Uzbekistan etc. and belongs to turkestanica/bifloriformis group.
First two were showed you before, too - but now you better can see and compare differences in inflorescence.
Some are named - buhseana and orthopoda.
Two are not identified yet as well as last from Sajasu and Oudzhasai (Uzbekistan).
From Aman-Kutan - T. turkestanica - is known as growing there
The most interesting is the last one collected on low hill (Kokcha mount) just at border of Kizilkum desert, really can be named as desert growing tulip.
Janis
Sorry, order of pictures a little different
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Luit,
Bulbs were certainly not affected by any fungus. I observed this irregularity on some varieties. Some after were thrown or given to some of our neighbours and every year in their garden they show the same symptoms though develop and bloom very well and make large bulbs.
Zhirair, today I talked with some growers and a man of The Flowerbulb Inspection Service, in Dutch ´Bloembollenkeuringsdienst´ and short ´BKD.
and your plants show probably a sort of "grey virus", which is probably not so dangerous for infecting other crop.
But if such plants are found here they will get taken out of the crop and destroyed without any discussion.
The growers go every week through their fields for controlling and people of BKD will pass for random inspection.
So I think the best thing you can do is destroy your ill plants. You will know that testing for virus and which virus it might be is very expensive.
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Now 8 something similar pictures but all they represents wild collections in Uzbekistan etc. and belongs to turkestanica/bifloriformis group.
Some are named - buhseana and orthopoda.
Janis
They're all pretty tulipa species, but what species are we looking at... maybe just call them T. turkestanica/bifloriformis group in general. The only one that looks substantially different is the one from Kokcha with very marked difference in size and shape of inner and outer petals, and the yellow center looks different too... a beauty it is. Also, it is hard to tell from photos the comparitive size of the blossoms; on the one I posted photos of as T. bifloriformis, the flowers are tiny... the petals just 22-25 mm long. I wonder how the flower size compares between those that you show.
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Mild and drizzly today, better light conditions to take a photo of Tulipa polychroma, probably my favorite dwarf tulip species, one of the very best for the rock garden. The flower in the center is an anomalous 8-petalled one, so is the semi-closed flower on the right.
If only you all could smell the tantalizingly sweet fragrance of these cute tulip blossoms.
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T. polychroma is very nice, but not for outside here - allways lost it in garden.
I completely agree with you about turkestanica/bifloriformis group. It is the way how I list them. In seperating importand are shape, intensity and position of hairs on tunics inside. By size flowers are more or less similar. Few can be seperated by other features too - position of buds - binutans - looking down before and after blooming etc., etc.
Janis
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Luit,
Bulbs were certainly not affected by any fungus. I observed this irregularity on some varieties. Some after were thrown or given to some of our neighbours and every year in their garden they show the same symptoms though develop and bloom very well and make large bulbs.
Zhirair, today I talked with some growers and a man of The Flowerbulb Inspection Service, in Dutch ´Bloembollenkeuringsdienst´ and short ´BKD.
and your plants show probably a sort of "grey virus", which is probably not so dangerous for infecting other crop.
But if such plants are found here they will get taken out of the crop and destroyed without any discussion.
The growers go every week through their fields for controlling and people of BKD will pass for random inspection.
So I think the best thing you can do is destroy your ill plants. You will know that testing for virus and which virus it might be is very expensive.
Luit,
Thanks a lot, for your help! I very appreciate it!
That's very true, this decease is not so dangerous for infecting other stocks. Tulipa 'Purissima' infected with this decease grows for 10 years in my colleague's garden and we didn't notice that it infected the other varieties over the years. The other infected new-comer plants grown for a year in my garden never infected other varieties. I didn't trash my 'Holland National' for its exceptional beauty and kept it for another year for further investigations, as nowadays it is not so easy-to-find cultivar. But I found a grower in Tambov region (Russia) and will replace my stock this year.
Again thanks a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
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You're welcome Zhirair. Could you show a flower of such plant later too?
Some new pictures of the Tulipa fosteriana Group from the Connoisseur Collection:
If someone likes them there are a few more.
Tulipa Scherzo
Tulipa Dance
Tulipa Intermezzo
Tulipa Yellow Empress
Tulipa Finale
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Luit,
I will show the flowers, when they open. Though I should say that flowers of those suspecious plants have a regular look and don't show any colour irregularity or deformation.
Thanks a lot for sharing those wonderful fosteriana tulip shots from Connoisseur Collection. All are nice, especially 'Intermezzo' and 'Yellow Empress'. Would be very happy to see more photos of rarities.
Some tulip shots from my collection. The varieties blooming currently:
biflora (native form)
kaufmanniana 'Aistionok' ('Stork Cub') - Z.P. Botschantseva (very bold vigorous tall tulip, differs from Janis' 'Ugam' by wider and shorter leaves)
fosteriana 'Grand Prix' from small bulbs
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more photos
greigii 'Longfellow'
greigii 'Lovely Surprise'
greigii 'Royal Lovely Surprise'
greigii 'Melody d' Amour'
more shots to come soon
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Great tulips everyone !! :D :D
I also have some Tulips in flower - most of them from Janis' stable : ;D
1 & 2 my favourite : Tulipa greigii "Sunset"
Already shown a few days ago, but now more developped :
3-4-5 : Tulipa dubia beldersai
6-7-8 : Tulipa vvedenskyi x berkariense 'Morning Star'
9 & 10 : Tulipa vvedenskyi x mogoltavica 'Girlfriend'
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Beutiful shots Luc!
'Girlfirend is, indeed, a very nice tulip. It's only shortcoming is that it doen't last long.
'Sunset' is among my favourites and also very loved by my visitors. The first year it was short 25 cm tall in my garden, but later after adaptation it always reaches 45 cm.
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Beutiful shots Luc!
'Girlfirend is, indeed, a very nice tulip. It's only shortcoming is that it doen't last long.
'Sunset' is among my favourites and also very loved by my visitors. The first year it was short 25 cm tall in my garden, but later after adaptation it always reaches 45 cm.
The weather is excellent for the tulips this year Zhirair, not too warm, not too cold, not much rain - I think Girfriend will stay ok for 2 weeks !! :D
It's the second year 'Sunset' is flowering for me Zhirair - I hope it stays as short as it is right now.
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Great tulips everyone !! :D :D
I also have some Tulips in flower - most of them from Janis' stable : ;D
1 & 2 my favourite : Tulipa greigii "Sunset"
Already shown a few days ago, but now more developped :
3-4-5 : Tulipa dubia beldersai
6-7-8 : Tulipa vvedenskyi x berkariense 'Morning Star'
9 & 10 : Tulipa vvedenskyi x mogoltavica 'Girlfriend'
MORNING STAR - not correct, true is white with large yellow centre, small bulbs long side growing stolones. Later will post picture.
Tulipa greigii SUNSET - all my stock on open bed eaten this winter by rodents, left few bulbs in pots. Lost some 15-20 stocks this winter.
Janis
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Luc, your tulips are glorious and I particularly like:
1 & 2 my favourite : Tulipa greigii "Sunset"
It looks very short stemmed sitting in the leaves, like a firey glow :D
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Tulipa greigii SUNSET - all my stock on open bed eaten this winter by rodents, left few bulbs in pots. Lost some 15-20 stocks this winter.
You really have had your quota of rodent problems Janis, absolutely soul destroying, I do hope you can build up your stock of this lovely tulip again.
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I really love the colour of 'Babushkiny Skaski.' Bright yet subtle and different from anything else. I'd love a dress that colour! ;D
Yesterday I bought 3 bulbs (the last three) of a Darwin type called 'Black Diamond. In the picture they looked blacker then 'Queen of the Night.' I hope they are but then, we all know what the picture on the packet is worth ???
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Luit,
Thanks a lot for sharing those wonderful fosteriana tulip shots from Connoisseur Collection. All are nice, especially 'Intermezzo' and 'Yellow Empress'. Would be very happy to see more photos of rarities.
a few more pictures of the Tulipa fosteriana Group from the Connoisseur Collection:
Tulipa Mitella
Tulipa Ballet
Tulipa Pirand
Tulipa Ouverture
Tulipa Gold Flash
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BTW Zhirair, your T. Grand Prix is a very elegant tulip!
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Some tulips of the Triumph Group in Keukenhof Show Garden:
Tulipa Hermitage 1
Tulipa Hermitage 2
Tulipa Royal Virgin
Tulipa Talent
Tulipa Spring Surprise 1
Tulipa Spring Surprise 2
Tulipa Veronique Sanson
And one of the Single Late Group
Tulipa S.L.G. Dreamship 1
Tulipa S.L.G. Dreamship 2
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Such cheerful flowers, thanks so much for posting Luit.
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Enjoying all these lovely tulips.
A parting shot of T. bifloriformis, where the main plants are done flowering, but some of the 3-4 year old seedling plants are now extending the display. It was very windy when I snapped the photo, so I held the stem, but it does give an idea about scale... notice in these the very dark anthers.
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I really love the colour of 'Babushkiny Skaski.' Bright yet subtle and different from anything else. I'd love a dress that colour! ;D
Yesterday I bought 3 bulbs (the last three) of a Darwin type called 'Black Diamond. In the picture they looked blacker then 'Queen of the Night.' I hope they are but then, we all know what the picture on the packet is worth1 ???
Lesley,
I very appreciate tulips with bronze, silver and gray shades, but, for example, my wife finds them not nice, saying that they have not bright dirty colours. I received some bulbs of 'Babushkiny Skazki' and impatiently wait for its blooming. Will show photos when they bloom.
'Black Diamond' is as dark as 'Queen of Night', but has more brown shades and slightly larger flower. 'Black Beauty' is significantly darker and has nicer shape of flower, but unfortunately nowadays it is commercially not available.
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Luit,
I also like 'Grand Prix' very much. Semi-lily shaped flowers give to it a special elegance. I also like another such shaped varieties as 'Easter Parad' and 'Hit Parade', which are bonused with colourful base.
Your photos are amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am very impressed!
Among fosterianas I especially liked hybrids with kaufmanniana 'Mitella' and 'Overture' (dark stems are attractive). I have no words of SLG 'Dreamship'! It is just splendid! I am a great lover of Single Late tulips because of their vigour. Thanks a lot for showing this wonderful photos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
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more photos
greigii 'Longfellow'
greigii 'Lovely Surprise'
greigii 'Royal Lovely Surprise'
greigii 'Melody d' Amour'
more shots to come soon
Zhirair,
wonderful pictures of these T. geigii-cultivars. Are they Dutch cultivars?
The 'Royal Lovely Surprise' is a extraordinary color-combination. Or is this the advantage of your area?
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Here a picture of Black Beauty. Unfortunately not a good picture.
This is a cultivar bred in 1955.
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Uli,
I admire greigii tulips most of all, especially those bred by legendary Dutch breeder D.W. Lefeber. To my great respect to this breeder, I try to obtain and and grow all greigiis, fosterianas and many from other groups bred by him. All shown ones are Dutch cultivars, though I grow several non-Dutch greigiis as well, including some wild selections, which increase vegetatively and does very well in the garden.
From these, now only 'Royal Lovely Surprise' is commercially available and sold under the name 'Lovely Surprise' by Dutch companies and their retailers in other countries. True 'Lovely Surprise' is not offered for sale anymore. Though in Russia and Baltic States it is still grown by many tulip collectors.
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I also will show 2 pix of "Black Beauty' photographed by my Dutch colleague again from Connoisseur Collection . Hope that they will say more about this cultivar.
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Thank you both for the information and pictures about the black tulips. I'll await mine the more eagerly. Boyed, I too, love those "odd" colours, the greys, browns, greeny, bronze and oyster shades. :D
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Back to wild species. Few more small blooming species.
Tulipa calieri is relative of T. biflora from Crimea
Tulipa sogdiana is one of most elegant by flower shape from turkrestanica/bifloriformis group
Tulipa dasystemon from Kashka-su in Kirghizstan and as last -
the most unusual tulip for its shape of leaves - Tulipa regelii - started to bloom today.
Janis
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Janis, such lovely wild tulips but your Tulipa regelii is exceptional - the pleated look of ridging on the leaves is just amazing and displays the flowers like waterlilies.
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Tulipa urumiensis (2 views)
Tulipa clusiana
Arnold
New Jersey
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All very beautiful. Janis, is T. regelii in cultivation seed-grown or clonal?
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All very beautiful. Janis, is T. regelii in cultivation seed-grown or clonal?
All are seed grown, but rarely some ofsets are formed. Seeds germinate but not every year. Most difficult to grow up seedlings to flowering size. Usually 1 flower per stem, rarely 2 flowers, very rarely 3.
Janis
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Some more tulips.
I have several Tulipa hissarica stocks. The best is from Kandara (best shape of flower), almost equal is from Hodji-obi-Garm (most undulated leaves, up to 4 flowers on stem). Here picture of Kandara stock.
Excellent is Tulipa humilis white form. In cultivation are distributed Dutch raised clone of unknown locality and I think that I read somewhere that albinos not more found in wild. Great was my surprise when between my gatherings in Iran appeared this white T. humilis. Really very similar to Dutch but with more rounded wider flower segments and dark filaments (in Dutch form filaments are light. You can compare both on those pictures (Dutch form on picture with two flowers)
Next is Tulipa koktebelica from Azov steppe in Ukraina - another allie of T. biflora
and as last one more of T. turkestanica/bifloriformis family - from Oudzhasai, Uzbekistan - very dwarf, compact, multiflowering.
Janis
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At work on Saturday and following the dreadful events in Kirghizstan, my colleagues said "Where on earth is that?" as I suspect most NZers would. I, very smug, was able to say "It's where Tulipa dasystemon comes from." Needless to say that produced even more looks of total bewilderment.
And my seedlings (from Ashley's seed) of Iris attica come from the Azov Steppe, mentioned immediately above. The Forum is one great geography lesson. :D
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At work on Saturday and following the dreadful events in Kirghizstan, my colleagues said "Where on earth is that?" as I suspect most NZers would. I, very smug, was able to say "It's where Tulipa dasystemon comes from." Needless to say that produced even more looks of total bewilderment.
And my seedlings (from Ashley's seed) of Iris attica come from the Azov Steppe, mentioned immediately above. The Forum is one great geography lesson. :D
It is indeed, Lesley and as these horrible events take place, from natural disasters to bombings in Moscow and who knows what next, or where.... there is a new immediacy to the News that is much heightened by the thought of SRGC Friends and Forumists in those places.
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Yes indeed Maggi. I admit my first thought on hearing about the aircrash at Smolensk, wasn't about the Polish President, but for Ewelina from whom we hear very little lately. I hope all is well with her and her family.
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At work on Saturday and following the dreadful events in Kirghizstan, my colleagues said "Where on earth is that?" as I suspect most NZers would. I, very smug, was able to say "It's where Tulipa dasystemon comes from." Needless to say that produced even more looks of total bewilderment.
And my seedlings (from Ashley's seed) of Iris attica come from the Azov Steppe, mentioned immediately above. The Forum is one great geography lesson. :D
It is indeed, Lesley and as these horrible events take place, from natural disasters to bombings in Moscow and who knows what next, or where.... there is a new immediacy to the News that is much heightened by the thought of SRGC Friends and Forumists in those places.
in fact, a lesson in humanity-making distant places seem more real and imaginable, populated with kindred spirtis!
btw, beautiful species tulips all!!
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At work on Saturday and following the dreadful events in Kirghizstan, my colleagues said "Where on earth is that?" as I suspect most NZers would. I, very smug, was able to say "It's where Tulipa dasystemon comes from." Needless to say that produced even more looks of total bewilderment.
And my seedlings (from Ashley's seed) of Iris attica come from the Azov Steppe, mentioned immediately above. The Forum is one great geography lesson. :D
It is indeed, Lesley and as these horrible events take place, from natural disasters to bombings in Moscow and who knows what next, or where.... there is a new immediacy to the News that is much heightened by the thought of SRGC Friends and Forumists in those places.
I sent several mails with subport words to my friends in Bishkek and no reply got. So really I'm in trouble - what happens there. They are botanists, may be out of problems...
Janis
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A very frightening situation, Janis.... we can only hope for the best.
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My "friends" answered rapidly. They have a nursery near Bishkek. It was not so dramatic that the medias show. They send today a mail, that all their plants arrived healthy and in good conditions.
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It is hard to know how accurate or exagerated news reports are, is it not?.... I'm glad your contacts are safe and well, Uli.
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One more picture of Tulip from Oudzhasai in Uzbekistan and very interesting
Tulipa sp. from Czug pass in Turkey. There are no one yellow flowering with hairy at base filaments and yellow flowers uin Flora of Turkey. It is not individual plant - all specimens there are with yellow flowers. Second picture maid in wild.
Janis
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A dramatic tulip in every way Janis - is it a one off?
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More bright multiflowering tulip of different style - Tulipa praestans, this bulb was collected in Hodji-obi-Garm (Tadjikistan) in 1981, since that time it is first occasion when it produces 3 flowers on stem, but no one offset got during those years.
Janis
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Janis,
a very lovely tulip. A pity it does not reproduce.
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A long standing survivor here in New Jersey.
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Your tulipa ferganica is very nice, Arnold. I like the shape of flower of this species.
Thanks for showing.
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Boyed:
Thanks so much for the kind words. The exterior of the petals change color as they age. The tips recurve a bit as well.
Arnold
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Arnold, does the depth of colour become more red on the outer petals as it ages? It's hard to see n the photo but I really like the tapered shape and colour of this tulip.
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Would T. ferganica , with these lovely acuminate petals, have been one of the parents used in making the "lily-flowered" tulips?
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I think the color does indeed deepen as the flower ages. I'll take another photo tomorrow and post it.
Maggi: Not sure about the breeding of background of the lily flowered tulips.
Arnold
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Would T. ferganica , with these lovely acuminate petals, have been one of the parents used in making the "lily-flowered" tulips?
The grand grand..... mother of lily-flowered tulips is an ancient tulip acuminata, on the basis of which tulipa retroflexa with lily-shaped bloom was raised. Then crossing tulipa retroflexa with Darwin tulips (now included in Single Late group) gave the birth to most lily-flowered tulips. Currently tulipa acuminata often also dirrectly used for breeding lily-shaped tulips, as well as tulipa fulgens, greigii and some others. I don't know about tulipa ferganica, but it is quite possible.
Would like to show some photos of very beautiful kaufmanniana tulip with bright and colourful base 'Nessy', bred by Janis Ruksans. Very striking and impressive tulip, which brightens my soul every early spring. it was selected among the seedlings of tulipa kaufmanniana.
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Thank you, Zhirair, I thought you would be able to give me a clue!
Nessy is very different in her colouring....and seems robust.
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Maggi,
As a rule, 'Nessy' is not a robust tulip, but in my garden often many cultivars increase their sizes. Fore example, Lefeber greigii tulips, which normally get 50-55 cm tall, in my garden get 60 -75 cm in the forth day of blooming (depending on the variety) under direct sun. It always surprises my foreign visitors.
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Would T. ferganica , with these lovely acuminate petals, have been one of the parents used in making the "lily-flowered" tulips?
Maybe I can add some more information about Lily-flowered tulips.
In Holland the important breeding of tulips started after 1900.
J.F.Ch. Dix worked in his younger years at the Krelage nursery in Haarlem and started breeding Duc van Tol tulips with Darwin tulips, trying to get early flowering tulips with longer stems.
His second breeding program was trying to get lily-flowered tulips. Therefore he chose
T, retroflexa which was the only tulip with more or less bended petals he could find then.
In 1908 the cross T. retroflexa x Darwin tulip Psyche resulted in the pink lily-flowered Sirene, which received an AGM in 1914 in Holland, as well as in London!
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Can't list NESSY between my most vigorous tulips, I lost it by myself. Nice that someone still have this very nice tulip.
Don't think that T. ferganica could be included in some lily-flowering tulip pedigree - they are too far genetically.
Janis
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Two tulips in flower today which I got from Janis, and one which I think may have the wrong lable as it is not like my other stapfii, and one which has lost its lable, I should be glad of names or corrections
Peter
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tulipa greigii, fosteriana, ?stapfii, ?vvendenskyi
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tulipa greigii, fosteriana, ?stapfii, ?vvendenskyi
Wrong order. The first is fosteriana, second greigii (my variety SUNSET). third - vvedenskyi and I think that last picture again vvedenskyi, but must see more.
Janis
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Interior view.
Arnold
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Would like to show some photos of very beautiful kaufmanniana tulip with bright and colourful base 'Nessy', bred by Janis Ruksans. Very striking and impressive tulip, which brightens my soul every early spring. it was selected among the seedlings of tulipa kaufmanniana.
Zhirair, thank you for your photos of this very unusual coloured tulip base 'Nessy' with such an elegant shape open or closed, I love its originality 8)
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Interior view.
Arnold
Thanks Arnold, great photo with raindrop added bonus !
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This morning only buds showing - a couple of hours later, Tulipa tarda in full flower :D
Closed again late afternoon ready for tomorrow's show - cant wait 8)
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Can't list NESSY between my most vigorous tulips, I lost it by myself. Nice that someone still have this very nice tulip.
Don't think that T. ferganica could be included in some lily-flowering tulip pedigree - they are too far genetically.
Janis
Janis,
I also grow some other very beutiful tulips, bred by you, which you don't grow anymore. Among them gregii 'Love Disire' (not to be mixed with vvedenskyi x 'Love Disire' offered in Janis current catalogue), greigii x 'Dadzitis', fosteriana 'Vita', fosteriana 'Red Prince'. The last two I received from a grower from Khakasia, who obtained them from a person, who on its turn ordered tulips from you during Soviet period. The most happy thing was to see that he also grew L. Sidrevics fosteriana 'Sigulda', which I didn't hope to find nowadays.
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This week I made some pictures of tulips again in the Keukenhof Show Garden.
Most of them belong to the Triumph Group, which for me have the stature of tulips as I like them most.
So it's my personal choice.
First I show a picture of a small part of the park Keukenhof.
To make this I had to wait rather long before there were no other people
walking in front of my camera. (within 8 weeks about 800.000 visitors are going through this garden!)
The second is a view from the park over the bulb fields.
Keukenhof
Keukenhof view
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Then to the tulips:
Tulipa Couleur Cardinal
Tulipa Gwen
Tulipa National Velvet 1
Tulipa National Velvet cl.
Tulipa Survivor
Tulipa Black Charm
Tulipa Black Charm 2
Tulipa Holland Queen
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and some tulips of other groups:
Tulipa La Mancha 1
Tulipa La Mancha cl.
Tulipa Dreamship
Tulipa Lingerie
Tulipa All That Jazz 1
Tulipa All That Jazz cl.
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The last pictures show some examples of plantings with mixed tulips and other bulbs:
Keukenhof Mixed bulbs
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What a superb selection... and all pictured in lovely sunshine!
A friend from Aberdeen is hoping to travel next week to visit the Keukenhof while staying with a friend near Amsterdam ....she has been looking forward to the trip for a long time.... but will the planes be flying? :-X :-\
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What a superb selection... and all pictured in lovely sunshine!
A friend from Aberdeen is hoping to travel next week to visit the Keukenhof while staying with a friend near Amsterdam ....she has been looking forward to the trip for a long time.... but will the planes be flying? :-X :-\
Sunshine every day at the moment and for next week it should stay like that Maggi :D, though frost early in the morning.
Well, if the planes are not flying.... I know some Belgian Forumists who take their rowing boat then ;D
If your friend comes here on Saturday, there is the great Flower Parade driving through the district and worth seeing it!
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tulipa greigii, fosteriana, ?stapfii, ?vvendenskyi
Wrong order. The first is fosteriana, second greigii (my variety SUNSET). third - vvedenskyi and I think that last picture again vvedenskyi, but must see more.
Janis
Thankyou Janis, that the one should be vvendenskyi is what I hoped, I have a larger form without the wavy leaf and I have sown seed of a smaller form, but I knew that I had bought another bulb of it to try to get this, I first saw it on the front of an old edition of an american rock garden journal. I shall be growing it with less food next year to try keeping it compact. here is tulipa stapfii as I have been growing it for a few years, again it is a bit tall, next to another of your greigiis, ( I made a mistake with my last batch of compost) another picture of the ?stapfii also tulipa heweri which was given to me two years ago by a kind friend, and also T cretica
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29 years old T.praestans today at short sun-break.
Janis
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Janis, what a superb photographic celebration of such a lovely wild tulip - absolutely stunning in the sun 8)
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Wonderful photos again Luit!
Your pictures allow to make a good idea about the certain varieties. Most studio photos, illustrated in tulips picture books and in catalogues of nurceries showing the tulip blooms mainly in closed contidion give a little info about the varieties. In their pictures all varieties within the same colour group nearly look the same. Seing pictures of tulips, photographed in gardens gives totally different feeling and emagination.
I liked 'Dramship' and 'All that Jazz'.
I don't say about exceptional French-bred tulip 'National Velvet', which is a show-stopper with its beautiful bloom shape and special mahogany colour. The camera dind't catch its exact colour, but the nice shape is evidant.
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Some fosteriana tulips from my garden
fosteriana 'Agamemnon' - rare tulip, excluded from the register, because not grown
fosteriana 'Decamerone' - far rarity
fosteriana 'Grand Prix' - the tulip in previous entry shown under this name was fosteriana 'Laughing Girl'. It was sent as 'Grand Prix', but after thorough studying the descriptions of all bi-coloured red/yellow fosterianas I managed to identify it.
fosteriana 'Hit Parade' - very beautiful flower shape
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Tulipa praecox in my meadow
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an unusual form: Tulipa tarda 'Variegata'
She brings seed, he also germinates, but it develops not a bulb
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Tulipa praecox in my meadow
beautifull, I need a meadow to set my pots free when I move house and get a proper garden
Peter
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Beautiful pictures everyone !!!
Franz, I didn't realize you even grow tulips in your meadow !! :o :o
What a great view !
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Finally, Tulipa sylvestris started blooming late last week.
Although considered a 16th c. neophyte, it is the only Tulipa species that occurs in the wild in central Europe. In Germany it is rare but here in the Schwäbisch Hall area (70k W of Stuttgart) they are pretty common, even along main roads.
Once they are established, they seem to form large patches. This one is the largest I know, and it is designed a Naturdenkmal, a spot nature reserve, usually designed to protect ancient single trees, ice age boulders, and other things without a significant area.
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Nothing as spectacular as the photo's from Thomas, Zhirair and Franz but here are two which are flowering in my garden now:
Tulipa hageri 'Little Beauty'
Tulipa tarda
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Finally, Tulipa sylvestris started blooming late last week.
Although considered a 16th c. neophyte, it is the only Tulipa species that occurs in the wild in central Europe. In Germany it is rare but here in the Schwäbisch Hall area (70k W of Stuttgart) they are pretty common, even along main roads.
Once they are established, they seem to form large patches. This one is the largest I know, and it is designed a Naturdenkmal, a spot nature reserve, usually designed to protect ancient single trees, ice age boulders, and other things without a significant area.
very nice! the 'spot' nature reserve is a wonderful idea!
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I just love the "wild" tulips in Franz's meadow and those west of Stuttgart (you see I am carefully avoiding the necessity to put in the little accent marks :)). Much as the Dutch plantings are spectacular, those in naturalized places are better, for me.
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I just love the "wild" tulips in Franz's meadow and those west of Stuttgart (you see I am carefully avoiding the necessity to put in the little accent marks :)). Much as the Dutch plantings are spectacular, those in naturalized places are better, for me.
I live in the middle of them, but I fully agree with you Lesley :)
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Really inspiring photos of Tulips in the wild on banks and in meadows and in gardens, thanks for showing them Thomas, Franz and Wim :D
Udo your Tulipa tarda 'Variegata' is very unusual and very attractive - how old is the group you photographed?
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Hi everybody!
Here some of my tulip pics flowering during one week already: Tulipa humilis Dutch hybrids, Tulipa koktebelica from Crimea, Tulipa regelii, Tulipa turkestanica, big-flowered Tulipa tarda cv. 'Sunbeam'!
DZ.
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Hi everybody!
Here some of my tulip pics flowering during one week already: Tulipa humilis Dutch hybrids, Tulipa koktebelica from Crimea, Tulipa regelii, Tulipa turkestanica, big-flowered Tulipa tarda cv. 'Sunbeam'!
DZ.
Dimitri,
some seriously good flowers! I'd not seen the double T.humilis before - I quite like it. And the HOLY GRAIL - Tulipa regelii! Brilliant!
Thanks so much for sharing your pics with us.
cheers
fermi
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Hi everybody!
Here some of my tulip pics flowering during one week already: Tulipa humilis Dutch hybrids, Tulipa koktebelica from Crimea, Tulipa regelii, Tulipa turkestanica, big-flowered Tulipa tarda cv. 'Sunbeam'!
DZ.
Is T koktebelica anything to do with T primulina?
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Few more tulipa species
At first two pictures of my Tulipa berkariense (nomen nudum) - both collected wild, the second named by my daughter 'Little Ilze'
Very beautiful Tulipa hewerii from Afganistan (via Norman Stevens)
Tulipa biflora from Armenia (via Zhirair)
From the same group is Tulipa orythyioides from Sina but easy to seperate from others by long neck below stigma
Tulipa ophiophylla Fire Bird from Ukraina (via Dima)
Tulipa kolpakowskiana from Kashka-Su in Khirghizia
Tulipa sp. WHIR-157 from Iran, I think hoogiana, but not checked its name yet
and as last one of my Tulipa vvedenskyi hybrids - Tulipa x Honeymoon S-R-13-1
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It is not good to show too much plants in same time, but as I'm again going to mountains (hope flights on Sunday will work - here are two jokes about last happenings - 1) The last wish of dying economy of Iceland was to disperse it's ashes over Europe and 2) Icelanders are offering - close our debts, we will close vulcano, Greeks are asking Icelanders - how to restart some of our old vulcano but Latvians are weeping for sorrow - why we haven't any vulcano.) - I want to show some of last shots.
At first three pictures of Tulipa dasystemon - very uniform around its area - pictures are from plants pictured in Uzbekistan, Khigizstan and Tadjikistan
Tulipa sp. of turkestanica complex collected in Ihnachsai as dasystemon
Tulipa polychroma from my Iranian gatherings
6 Tulipa stapfii (from Norman Stevens)
Two unidentified tulips from Kazahstan, may be T. kolpakowskiana forms or some natural hybrid
9 Tulipa kaufmanniana from Kurama ridge in Uzbekistan collected at 2500m altitude
Tulipa dubia form with striped flovers (not virus! from Beldersai, Uzbekistan
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Two unidentified tulips from Kazahstan, may be T. kolpakowskiana forms or some natural hybrid
all beautiful, but wow--number 8 is very nice!
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Is T koktebelica anything to do with T primulina?
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Peter, T. koktebelica is very close to T. bflora, not to T. primulina
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Fermi, thanks for kind words about my plants :))
Janis, your tulips are fascinating as usually :o hope your fly will work despite the machinations of the Island volcano ;D
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Janis your tulips are super, I like the berkariense forms with the different leaf colourings, The T dubia from Norman is doing well for me too with its red triangle on the back of its petals. The bifloras remind me of regelli -the flowers are so similar and some times I almost imagine I can see ridges on the biflora leaves. Voronin #4 looks amazing. all my Kaufmannii are finished now, fosterianas are still out though. and the cluisianas
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Fascinating stuff Dimitri and Janis !! :o :o :o
Wonderful series - so many more species to look out for... ;)
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Here is one of my tulips. It was a trophy to me from SE. TR. Can anybody confirm me! If this is a t. armena var lycica or t. sintenisii!
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Really inspiring photos of Tulips in the wild on banks and in meadows and in gardens, thanks for showing them Thomas, Franz and Wim :D
Udo your Tulipa tarda 'Variegata' is very unusual and very attractive - how old is the group you photographed?
Robin, this group is around 10 years old. I begin with two bulbs.
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I think I may have posted an incorrectly named image of Tulipa ferganica.
Here are two images correctly named.
Tulipa altaica
Tulipa ferganica
Arnold
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For all it spreads about, Tulipa clusiana in any of its forms is so slim and elegant one can't be annoyed at it. :D
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For all it spreads about
If only....
Dies out here :'(
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Is T koktebelica anything to do with T primulina?
Peter, T. koktebelica is very close to T. biflora, not to T. primulina
[/quote]Thanks Dimitri,
The name is not in my books. The biflora section is clearly much bigger and more variable than I had realised. When I look at regelii The leaf almost looks like biflora and some bifloras vaugely seem almost to have corrugated leaves
Here is a picture of primulina, it only opens in warm sun, and a picture of a tulip I want to identify, also T australis in a friends garden.
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Been lurking and enjoying all the wonderful tulipa here. One of my favorites is out now, T. clusiana 'Lady Jane', such an elegant species, yet with large exquisitely shaped blooms when they open to the sun. The silver foliage is slender and unobtrusive. I like how the flowers are phototropic, gracefully leaning this way or that as they follow the sun. They also sway in the slightest breeze, so it has been a test of patience getting decent photos.
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T. clusiana is one of my favourites too Mark, especially 'Lady Jane', although I find it hard to keep going in the garden.
How can you be sure that striped T. dubia is not virussed Janis?
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Another viral one in flower here...T. acuminata.
johnw
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some flowers from the last 2 weeks :
T. vvedensky
T. doerfleri
T. lownei
T. primulina
T. australis
T. agenensis ssp sharonensis
T. cretica
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Very nice series Fred !!
You're not only an excellent Iris grower !! ;)
I had not seen T. lownei before !
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Thank's luc ;D
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some flowers from the last 2 weeks :
T. vvedensky
T. doerfleri
T. lownei
T. primulina
T. australis
T. agenensis ssp sharonensis
T. cretica
every one is beautiful, fred!
do you have these in a rock garden setting? i'm wondering how people present these small sp tulips--are they on their own in the rock garden, or are there other herbaceous plants that come up around them later?
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Super tulips images from everybody 8)
Fred,
isn't T. doerfleri a synonym for T. hageri?
Yours resemble T. whittallii which belong to same T. hageri group...
T. agenensis and T. lownei are a stunners! Lovely.
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some tulip images for you
T. albertii: easy and reliable, makes this year a great show :D
T. clusiana 'Lady Jane': not as strong as last year -foliage suffered from late frosts
T. saxatilis: growing in my sunniest place. 4 flowers per stem - 1st. time for me.
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super clumps armin! Fred I love your T. tagesharon, doerfleri, and lownei, is it like aucheri? it looks as if it has a red stripe on the back of its petals? well actually I love them all!!
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Super tulips images from everybody 8)
Fred,
isn't T. doerfleri a synonym for T. hageri?
Yes Armin, it is !
And also, with some authors, with T. orphanidea....
Armin, your clumps are wonderfull !!!
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Love these images of Tulips opening out and bringing a Spring feeling to my computer :D
Fred, your T. agenensis ssp sharonensis is quite wonderful - I really like looking deep inside a Tulip to see such detail 8)
Armin, T. saxatilis: growing in my sunniest place. 4 flowers per stem - 1st. time for me.
congratulations! Its so pretty :)
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3 french tulips from Savoie, almost extinct in the wild, the yellow T. billietiana, the red T. sarracenica
with black base, and T. didieri, red with blue/white base
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Robin, Peter, Fred many thanks.
Tulips belong to the spring! They are wunderful plants.
Fred,
your neo-tulips are lovely too. Great you cultivate them and help to keep them alive :D
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Thomas has recently posted impressive pictures from T. sylvestris growing near the road in Schwäbisch Hall.
I can't resist to show my own clump grown from only 5 bulbs. I've split them and grow them on different places in the garden.
In spite this species is heavily stoloniferous, produces a lot of single leaves and it is said to be a not good flowerer - I cannot agree.
When left undisturbed in a sunny place it makes annual a lot of fun!
Here some images
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Superb Armin !
you're right, just have to give some time to the plants to establish well.
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Thomas has recently posted impressive pictures from T. sylvestris growing near the road in Schwäbisch Hall.
I can't resist to show my own clump grown from only 5 bulbs. I've split them and grow them on different places in the garden.
In spite this species is heavily stoloniferous, produces a lot of single leaves and it is said to be a not good flowerer - I cannot agree.
When left undisturbed in a sunny place it makes annual a lot of fun!
Here some images
I was given a few bulbs of T. sylvestris about 8-9 years ago, told that it likes partially shaded conditions. It has expanded quite a bit, and I worry about it spreading and romping about too much, but in all those years, only saw 1 flower! Then I learned that this plants wants to flower in the sun... you have reminded me of this fact. I'm going to dig up some of the messy floppy-foliaged plants and move some to a sunny spot, and see what happens. Otherwise, I want to dig them all out, the foliage is distracting in the general scheme of things. Armin, your plants look sunny and attractive... so perhaps it is worth giving it one more chance.
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Two little ones:
1 - 2 T. humilis var. pulchella (is this the correct of latest taxonomy on this one?)
3 T. 'Little Beauty'
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Mark,
good idea to move them in a sunny spot. They grow excellent in shadow but with less flowers.
A tip: use a deep, close meshed basket (i.e. those for pond plants) to limit growth of stolons and plant them in calcareous soil. ;)
I'm sure you will get a reward later :D
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Mark,
aren't all 3 images showing T. humilis 'Little Beauty'?
T. humilis has pinkish pedals with a yellow center - if my memory is not wrong ::)
I'm no taxonomist but T. pulchella is just T. humilis named now.
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Mark,
aren't all 3 images showing T. humilis 'Little Beauty'?
T. humilis has pinkish pedals with a yellow center - if my memory is not wrong ::)
I'm no taxonomist but T. pulchella is just T. humilis named now.
I received bulbs of the plants shown in the first two photos as T. pulchella var. humilis, just the opposite. It is possible all are 'Little Beauty', although the latter is taller and with bigger flowers and more upright leaves... it is hard to discern the difference in scale from the photos.
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Thomas has recently posted impressive pictures from T. sylvestris growing near the road in Schwäbisch Hall.
I can't resist to show my own clump grown from only 5 bulbs. I've split them and grow them on different places in the garden.
In spite this species is heavily stoloniferous, produces a lot of single leaves and it is said to be a not good flowerer - I cannot agree.
When left undisturbed in a sunny place it makes annual a lot of fun!
Here some images
I was given a few bulbs of T. sylvestris about 8-9 years ago, told that it likes partially shaded conditions. It has expanded quite a bit, and I worry about it spreading and romping about too much, but in all those years, only saw 1 flower! Then I learned that this plants wants to flower in the sun... you have reminded me of this fact. I'm going to dig up some of the messy floppy-foliaged plants and move some to a sunny spot, and see what happens. Otherwise, I want to dig them all out, the foliage is distracting in the general scheme of things. Armin, your plants look sunny and attractive... so perhaps it is worth giving it one more chance.
I have been told that a lot depends on the form of T sylvestris as to whether one gets flowers. Here it is believed by some that the 'wild' English form hardly ever flowers but I know a garden in Nottingham with good displays in both sun and shade, supposedly of other forrms.
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Peter,
that's what's often in literature. I can't confirm this is true as my bulbs origin from dutch commercial stocks and are not taken from wild.
What I can recommend is to plant T. sylvestris in a sunny place and the probability for more flowers will raise. :)
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My tulips:
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more, if you are not bored from
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Some greigii tulips from my collection:
gregii 'Pandour'
greigii 'Rafaello' - very decorative Lefeber introduction with catchy large-centered bloom and beautiful colour combination; excluded from the register because thought was not grown anymore, but fortunately it turned out that one Dutch company still grows this treasure
greigii 'Goldenes Prag' (aka 'Zlata Praha')
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Zhirair,
super greigii cvs.. 'Pandour' is beautiful marked outside. 'Rafaello' is indeed something special - it seems to have very large flower cups.
'Goldenes Prag' is lovely too, nice contrasted & colored inside.
All my greigii's have already finished flowering due sunny, dry warm weather - interesting that they are still flowering with you.
Here some tulips in flower now.
'Velvet Lily' a probably cross between T. acuminata and T. eichleri is flowering the second season with me.
T. fosteriana 'Orange Emperior' at peak of flower. Very reliable and seem very robust.
'Red Emperior'(Madame Lefeber) and white 'Purissima' which I have both too flowered ~2weeks earlier then 'Orange Emperior'. Unfortunately they have suffered from strong frost. Size was smaller compared to last years and tips of leaves wilted (obvious frost damage) :'( Not showy this year. I gave them extra portion of fertilizer to recover.
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Armin,
Very pleased to hear that you liked the cv-s I showed. Knowing that most of you prefer relatively short plants, I specially selected these to show. But I think 'Rafaello' after adaptation with grow much taller next year, as it is stated to be not a dwarf cultivar. Indeed, it has impressively large and perfectly shaped blooms.
Your tulips are also impressive and beautiful. 'Velvet Liy' is nice! I remember last year you showed its pics at Hortus Bulborum and I stil haven't forgot it.
I have different greigii cv-s flowering from early to late spring. Some, especially wild selected clones, flower quite late with Single Late cultivars. Unlike yours, the weather here lately is very rainny and my tulip blooms are getting spoiled from excessive humidity.
Would like to show another rarity:
greigii x kaufmanniana 'Dadzitis' bred by J. Ruksans. Unfortunately Janis doesn't grow this cv anymore. In the first picture the tulip at the background is kaufmanniana x greigii 'Lord's Super' (J. Ruksans).
And
greigii 'Orange Elite'
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Zhirair,
'Dadzitis' flower buds are like a burning flame - very beautiful the violet base fading over to , orange, red and yellow! :o A great breeding result from Janis. 8)
I like many hybrid tulips - indeed after having visited the unbelieveable 'Hortus Bulborum' and 'Connoisseurs Collection' there are still so many tulips on my wishlist.
One of my dreams is T. greigii 'Karimata' which impressed me by size and color combination. The issue is my limited garden space :'( So I have to continoue with tiny croci ;) ;D
I can recommend to visit Hortus Bulborum in Limmen and the surrounding tulip land in early spring for all gardeners - It is so impressive, colorful and simply wunderful. Unforgetable. 8) 8) 8)
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Armin, I have space in my garden ;D you can send me the bulb and can visit her any time, you want ;D
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One of my favorite little tulips is in bloom now, Tulipa 'Little Princess'.
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What a Tulip display folks !!!! :o :o
There's still some flowering here as well
1 and 2 Tulipa vvedenskyi - I always wonder what I like best : the fabulous flowers or the curly leaves ?? :-\ :D
3 and 4 Tulipa vvedenskyi 'Tangerine Dream' with bigger flowers and an even more brilliant red ! 8)
5) Tulipa aucheriana
6) Tulipa bakeri 'Lilac Wonder'
7) Tulipa batalinii 'Bright Gem'
8. Tulipa batalinii 'Bronze Gem'
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Superb series Luc!
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1 and 2 Tulipa vvedenskyi - I always wonder what I like best : the fabulous flowers or the curly leaves ??
Both :D
Tulipa aucheriana is a great colour Luc
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Wonderfull Luc !
T. vvedenskyi is really a treasue !
Your leaves are very nice and quite narrow.
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Thanks Franz, Robin and Fred, I'm quite happy with them ! :D :D
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Armin, I have space in my garden ;D you can send me the bulb and can visit her any time, you want ;D
Good idea Arykana,
do you have enough space to land my private jet in your garden? ;D
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Armin,
Thanks for showing these wonderful pix. Greigii 'Karimata' is an eyecatcher! I will also include it in my wishlist. I think it can easily be obtained from Baltic and Russian tulip collectors, which still grow many rarities. Visiting Hortus Bulborum is one of my dreams. Sooner or later I will certainly visit it. I am somewhat afraid visiting it baring in mind my passion for tulips, as I emagine what will be with me after visiting!!!!!!!!!!!! :o
Some fosteriana tulips from my collection (all are the first year and from small bulbs)
fosteriana 'Materinskaja Slava' ('Mother's Fame') - wild selection from wild by Z.P. Botschantzeva, extreme rarity;
fosteriana 'Vita' - J. Ruksans. After he sold his tulip collection, he doen't grow it anymore.
fosteriana 'Red Prince' - J. Ruksans. Very vigorous tulip with gigantic blooms.
J. Ruksans fosteriana varieties were pereserved by a collector from Siberia (Russian), who ordered tulips from Janis during Soviet period. Knowing about my passion he refused to sell bulbs to me and just kindly donated some rarities to expand my collection.
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Mark, Luc,
lovely tulip clumps flowering in your gardens, make a nice show 8)
Some more tulips in my garden
T. subpraetans
T. clusiana var. chrysantha 'Tubergens Gem'
T. humilis 'Little Beauty'
T. whittallii
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Another far rarity
fosteriana 'Sigulda' - very large flowering selection from wild by famous Latvian grower L. Sidrevics, who specialized in fosteriana tulips and intruduced many highly decorative varieties. Very pity that many of his introductions were lost.
This tulip was form very small bulbs and not so good to photograph, so I show B. Krasheninnikov (collector from Siberia, famous gladioulus breeder) pictures, from whoom I received this wonderful tulip.
At the end I attache a humble picture of my greigii tulip beds.
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Zhirair,
tell me when you visit Hortus Bulborum - I will stand by you to wish away your tears of joy ;D
T. fosteriana is famous for its glowing red, large flowers - very beautiful cultivars. :o 8)
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Zhirair,
nice contrast 'Red Prince' with yellow eye and 'Sigulda' with almost black eye. Make a great show. :o 8)
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Zhirair, Armin tell me the day. I come too ;D Only to help you with the wishlists.
Some Tulipa greigii-cultivars from my garden. Sorry for the late posting. But no time for the garden in April.
First 'Diantha'. Second my favorite cultivar 'Plasir'. Growing now for six years in the garden and increase well.
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1 and 2 Tulipa vvedenskyi - I always wonder what I like best : the fabulous flowers or the curly leaves ??
Both :D
Tulipa aucheriana is a great colour Luc
agreed and my wish list grows every time I look at these tulips :P
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Uli,
beautiful greigiis. "Plasir" is really colourful and bright. I thinki i should try it to beautify my rock garden, which I am going to make my country garden, located not far from our town.
Some more bi-colour gregiis to enjoy:
greigii 'Engadin'
greigii 'Tschaikovsky' - very showy variety with exquisit shape and nice colour combination.
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I bought this as Tulipa tshimganica last year
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Some more bi-colour gregiis to enjoy:
greigii 'Engadin'
greigii 'Tschaikovsky' - very showy variety with exquisit shape and nice colour combination.
Zhirair,
wonderful these two cultivars. It looks like that the colouration is stronger than I know it from northwest germany. I have always a problem with yellow flowering bulbs. Mostly there are only pale yellow.
I like the bi-colour greigiis too. That is one reason why I collect this group of tulips.
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some tulip images for you
T. albertii: easy and reliable, makes this year a great show :D
T. clusiana 'Lady Jane': not as strong as last year -foliage suffered from late frosts
T. saxatilis: growing in my sunniest place. 4 flowers per stem - 1st. time for me.
Sorry, don't think that it is albertii. Albertii isn't easy, has different shape of flower, don't increase vegetatively (rarely some offset), Reply is late as only yesterday returned from mountains in Georgia.
Janis
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I bought this as Tulipa tshimganica last year
I baught the same, but it is not tschimganica and more than 50% turned virus infected. Check back of petals (red zone). True plant has brown ring at top of filaments.
Janis
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Few tulips pictured just before my Georgian trip.
Tulipa dasystemon 9769 in silva, Sina, Uzbekistan
Tulipa graniticola, Azov steppe, Ukraina
Tulipa hewerii - Afganistan
Tulipa humilis from Aadim in Turkey
Tulipa kurdica - from Willem van Eeden in Holland
Tulipa quercetorum from Ukraina (Crimea?)
Tulipa sp. WHIR-157 collected by me in Iran
Janis
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Tulipa Washington?
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This is labelled Tulipa vvedenskyi, but surely not?
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Few tulips pictured just before my Georgian trip.
Tulipa dasystemon 9769 in silva, Sina, Uzbekistan
Tulipa graniticola, Azov steppe, Ukraina
Tulipa hewerii - Afganistan
Tulipa humilis from Aadim in Turkey
Tulipa kurdica - from Willem van Eeden in Holland
Tulipa quercetorum from Ukraina (Crimea?)
Tulipa sp. WHIR-157 collected by me in Iran
Janis
Janis, all are wonderful, but Tulipa humilis from Aadim in Turkey is stunning, as is T. kurdica. :o
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This is labelled Tulipa vvedenskyi, but surely not?
Definitely not! Seems garden cultivar.
Janis
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Janis, that is curious, as I don't buy garden cultivars. :-\
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I have to confess that I searched for Tulipa acuminata as I thought the flowers were a match for tulipieres. Here's the result, not a good photo though. Thinking other tulips will work too - even some dayglow pinks.
johnw
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Sorry, don't think that it is albertii. Albertii isn't easy, has different shape of flower, don't increase vegetatively (rarely some offset), Reply is late as only yesterday returned from mountains in Georgia.
Janis
Janis,
welcome back. What do you think is my T. albertii instead?
Attached images from 2009 showing it closer and more buds.
The tulips grow in my south sided rose bed in full sunshine and are left undisturbed for years.
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Janis, that is curious, as I don't buy garden cultivars. :-\
But maybe your supplier sells them? In mistake? Accidentally or deliberately???
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Sorry, don't think that it is albertii. Albertii isn't easy, has different shape of flower, don't increase vegetatively (rarely some offset), Reply is late as only yesterday returned from mountains in Georgia.
Janis
Janis,
welcome back. What do you think is my T. albertii instead?
Attached images from 2009 showing it closer and more buds.
The tulips grow in my south sided rose bed in full sunshine and are left undisturbed for years.
It is some tulip clone distributed in Holland as T. albertii. T. albertii is close to greigii, but with plain green leaves. I had it very long time ago, but soon lost. What is this Dutch. I don't know. I baught it few years ago but it was 100% virus infected, so I didn't check its name. Just recently as T. eichleri I baught some Darvin Hybride tulip cultivar.
Janis
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I have to confess that I searched for Tulipa acuminata as I thought the flowers were a match for tulipieres. Here's the result, not a good photo though. Thinking other tulips will work too - even some dayglow pinks.
johnw
John , did you take this photo in your own home ? I'm intrigued by the most unusual vase and even more by the lithograph . Could you please post a photo of the entire picture - many thanks ,
Otto.
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Aha! Otto, you and I are on the same wavelength... I was most interested to learn more about the lithograph , too!! :)
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Otto / Maggi - Quite off topic, it's a woodblock print and a really big one; the artist is Naoko Matsubara. She did this one of Shankar (with a bit more detail) especially for a friend, I bought it from her estate several years ago.
The majolica tulipière was done by a gardener/ceramicist friend. I got it about 35 years ago. He does some great tulipières including a few on this site.
http://dcl.umn.edu/dcl/show_details?page=2&search=s%3Df_search_cache_title%2Br_DESC%26per_page%3D60%26q%3Do_fand%2Bv_Walter_Ostrom%2Bf_search_cache_agent%26page%3D3 (http://dcl.umn.edu/dcl/show_details?page=2&search=s%3Df_search_cache_title%2Br_DESC%26per_page%3D60%26q%3Do_fand%2Bv_Walter_Ostrom%2Bf_search_cache_agent%26page%3D3)
A good friend outbid me on a two-headed fish tulipière similar to this one -
http://dcl.umn.edu/dcl/show_details?page=3&search=s%3Df_search_cache_title%2Br_DESC%26per_page%3D60%26q%3Do_fand%2Bv_Walter_Ostrom%2Bf_search_cache_agent%26page%3D3 (http://dcl.umn.edu/dcl/show_details?page=3&search=s%3Df_search_cache_title%2Br_DESC%26per_page%3D60%26q%3Do_fand%2Bv_Walter_Ostrom%2Bf_search_cache_agent%26page%3D3)
but at least I get to see it often. Here's another of his fish that I managed to snag, he has been trying to buy it back from me ever since! Great pity he has not done any more. Some great tortoises if you click his name.
johnw
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I bought this as Tulipa tshimganica last year
I baught the same, but it is not tschimganica and more than 50% turned virus infected. Check back of petals (red zone). True plant has brown ring at top of filaments.
Janis
Thankyou Janis, Hope you had a good trip.
Here are some close ups, there are red flecks -is it virused? what tulip is it? I wont keep it for risk of virus but it is handsome.
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Thankyou Janis, Hope you had a good trip.
Here are some close ups, there are red flecks -is it virused? what tulip is it? I wont keep it for risk of virus but it is handsome.
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It is nice kaufmanniana but all plants has virus symptoms. Personally I dug out all stock and burn it, although only ~50% showed inection symptoms.
Janis
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It is some tulip clone distributed in Holland as T. albertii. T. albertii is close to greigii, but with plain green leaves. I had it very long time ago, but soon lost. What is this Dutch. I don't know. I baught it few years ago but it was 100% virus infected, so I didn't check its name. Just recently as T. eichleri I baught some Darvin Hybride tulip cultivar.
Janis
Many thanks. I bought this tulip clone from a German source but probably is from Dutch origin. Nevertheless name is unclear it is a nice and healthy tulip. :D
A pity is that if ones google for T.albertii images nothing really useful can be found.
If anybody is sure keeping the 'real T.albertii' - please post an image here. Thank you.
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One of my favourites with the nicest smell - Tulipa maximovichii
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One of my favourites with the nicest smell - Tulipa maximovichii
And it looks good in the sunshine, Oleg. Quite a revelation how fast your flowering season is catching up after your long winter..... surprising to see that now your timing is equal to others, as you mention in the Triillium thread.
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Indeed. We don't seem to have spring. A lot of sunshine with thunderstorms (warm). Now it is +30 outside. I hear the weather is not that nice there in Scotland
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Now it is +30 outside. I hear the weather is not that nice there in Scotland
About 9.5 degrees here now, at lunchtime in our sheltered back garden. :P
Sunny spells but cold snow flurries and rain.... not enough like Spring here for my liking!
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One of my favourites with the nicest smell - Tulipa maximovichii
Oleg, I'm not a Tulip expert, but as far as I know T. maximovichii is a small red Tulip.
Yours looks like T. sylvestris to me.
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I suspected it, Thomas, thanks, but was given it with assurence it can be yellow as well. This one is quite happy with me while other T.sylvestris are reluctant to flower. Anyway help from experts is in need.
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I suspected it, Thomas, thanks, but was given it with assurence it can be yellow as well. This one is quite happy with me while other T.sylvestris are reluctant to flower. Anyway help from experts is in need.
According to Brian Mathew (The Smaller Bulbs), T. maximowiczii is a minor variant of T. linifolia, both red. He also claims that the yellow T. batalinii is probably a form of T. linifolia. However, T. batalinii, as grown by me, is very pale, primrose yellow, quite different to the strong yellow of Oleg's plant.
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True Tulipa albertii. I grew it as species for ~3 years but only this spring had time to identify. The color is most perfect on last picture. Leaves on background is from T. regelii. Color varies to yellow, too. Flowers are large, stem length 25-30 cm.
Janis
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Hello from a newb :)
Here are some of my tulips:
t. acuminata, batalinii Bright Gem, pulchella China Coral, chrysantha, Gavota, clusiana Lady Jane, Pink Beauty Beauty Queen, and sylvestris
Nothing particularly out of the ordinary, though China Coral doesn't seem to be very common.
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What a pretty selection..... you're right, I haven't seen China Coral ..... where are you gardening Goatshed? ( I hate having to call you Goatshed by the way! :-[ :( )
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Thank you! I live in Creuse, France, which has certainly pushed my gardening towards alpines, since it's full of granite here. You can call me Gill - Goatshed is a useful forum name as there's not much chance of anyone else using it (and we have a couple of goats) :)
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Here two Tulipa micheliana forms. The first is from Kopet-Dag (Iranian side) and it is typical form. I saw such in Turkmenistan, In Uzbekistan near Samarkand etc.
The second is from Nuratau ridge, Kara-Karga mountain pass near Kizilkum desert border. Quite unusual form, never before saw micheliana with basal blotch without light yellowish rim.
Greatest fault of T. micheliana - it never (!) split, so it can be increased only by seeds. Of course it is not easy in cultivation, too. So I tried to cross it with Tulipa vvedenskyi (easy to grow and good increaser). The seedlings perfectly replied the basal blotch of micheliana (I used form from Turkmenistan), but inherited long stolones from micheliana, too. But it started to increase by splitting and hybrid is much more vigorous than pollen parent (micheliana).
Janis
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Hi, Gill, nice to meet you!
How hard is it to keep those omniverous goats out of the garden? Those beasts are both hungry and clever.... must be a bit of a problem? ::)
Janis, good to hear you have found a method of increase.
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Thanks Maggi :)
As long as the electric fence battery is charged it's no problem. When they do escape they head straight for the veggie patch (once ours, and once our neighbour's - but he's very understanding!)
I had two pet sheep once and they were much worse - they escaped once and head straight for the tulips and bit the flower heads off.
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true tulipa greigii 'Jackie'.
A wild vegetatively increasing clone, selected by Kyrgisian grower Sidorzhenko. Introduced in Latvia by famous botanist A. Verins. A real show-stopper that can beautify and brighten every garden.
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Zhirair: 'Jackie' is a very beautiful tulip; the close up photo of the interior is delicious!
Gill, I sympathise.... we had horses which , on the the two occasions they escaped, made straight for the garden of the minister of the local church and ate his prize roses. They could have stopped in any one of several dozen gardens en route to the manse garden, but no, they wanted those particular roses.... then there was Hissing Sid the tortoise.... he could scramble over two foot fences at the bottom of thick hedges to get to next door's veggies. :-X hedges.
The showers of hail which we have had in the last few days have marked nearly all our tulip flowers :'(
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minor corrections
correctly SUDORZHENKO
Aldonis Verinsh isn't botanist, he is journalist and world known breeder of GLADIOLUS cultivars. Although he for ~20 years isn't more working with breeding, still some 70 of his gladiolus varieties you can find in specialised American nurseries catalogues. His cv. 'Daves Memory' for 10 years was the best in it's colour group and is registered in honour hall of gladiolus in USA. Now his hobby is garden paeonias.
Janis
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True Tulipa albertii. I grew it as species for ~3 years but only this spring had time to identify. The color is most perfect on last picture. Leaves on background is from T. regelii. Color varies to yellow, too. Flowers are large, stem length 25-30 cm.
Janis
Many thanks for showing the true species :o
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Otto / Maggi - Quite off topic, it's a woodblock print and a really big one; the artist is Naoko Matsubara. She did this one of Shankar (with a bit more detail) especially for a friend, I bought it from her estate several years ago.
The majolica tulipière was done by a gardener/ceramicist friend. I got it about 35 years ago. He does some great tulipières including a few on this site.
http://dcl.umn.edu/dcl/show_details?page=2&search=s%3Df_search_cache_title%2Br_DESC%26per_page%3D60%26q%3Do_fand%2Bv_Walter_Ostrom%2Bf_search_cache_agent%26page%3D3 (http://dcl.umn.edu/dcl/show_details?page=2&search=s%3Df_search_cache_title%2Br_DESC%26per_page%3D60%26q%3Do_fand%2Bv_Walter_Ostrom%2Bf_search_cache_agent%26page%3D3)
A good friend outbid me on a two-headed fish tulipière similar to this one -
http://dcl.umn.edu/dcl/show_details?page=3&search=s%3Df_search_cache_title%2Br_DESC%26per_page%3D60%26q%3Do_fand%2Bv_Walter_Ostrom%2Bf_search_cache_agent%26page%3D3 (http://dcl.umn.edu/dcl/show_details?page=3&search=s%3Df_search_cache_title%2Br_DESC%26per_page%3D60%26q%3Do_fand%2Bv_Walter_Ostrom%2Bf_search_cache_agent%26page%3D3)
but at least I get to see it often. Here's another of his fish that I managed to snag, he has been trying to buy it back from me ever since! Great pity he has not done any more. Some great tortoises if you click his name.
johnw
John , many thanks for sending the detailed descriptions and photos of the two ceramic pieces and the woodblock print of Ravi , in his younger days . All 3 works beautyful and to my taste - I would be happy to live with them .( just dreaming )
Otto.
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In my area we have fields with tulips and other flowers for cutting self - there is nobody -you can cut the flowers which you like and after you lay the money in a box - it seems many peoples pay really for all flowers .....
Here are some pics :
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true tulipa greigii 'Jackie'.
A wild vegetatively increasing clone, selected by Kyrgisian grower Sidorzhenko. Introduced in Latvia by famous botanist A. Verins. A real show-stopper that can beautify and brighten every garden.
*Zhirair
I am looking for 3 cultivars old enough, single early 'GALWAY', orange and very scented, the greigii 'ENGADIN' and lily flowered 'MARJOLEIN'
Do you know them and where i can hope find them. All the best
dom
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The oldest thing I have, 'Lac Van Rijn' from 1620 or thereabouts.
ETA: ...and one just for Lesley - T. humilis 'Tête-à-Tête' ;D
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Here in my garden the last tulip
Tulipa sprengeri
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You are getting to know me too well Arisaema - or perhaps not because oddly, I find those fat globes quite attractive among their fine foliage. Perhaps it is fellow feeling. ;D
'Lac Van Rijn' is a beauty too. How wonderful to have a flower that has survived so long.
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One from the last Tulipa for this spring:
Tulipa marjollettii, i hope, this is correct.
In the first two days only greenisch-yellow, later with a red edge
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The oldest thing I have, 'Lac Van Rijn' from 1620 or thereabouts.
ETA: ...and one just for Lesley - T. humilis 'Tête-à-Tête' ;D
hmm, you know maybe i have something in common with lesley in not being fond of manmade floral oddities or overexuberances (love natural weirdos ;)
but somehow for a few of those genera that have been in cultivation forever -roses, peonies, tulips- i make exceptions--especially over-the-top tulips, i kind of like (not that i am growing any)-maybe its an association with great old dutch paintings? this one has an interesting combination of excessive flower with 'humble' plant...
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I know exactly what you mean ,cohan... in fact the point is made very neatly in a link that Gail has just given in the paeony pages...
http://www.bennisonpeonies.co.uk/index.htm
The title page of this website has a glorious photo of some mouthwatering Itoh hybrid paeonies which looks for all the world like an old painting.... just exquisite!
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ETA please? I can't get past estimated time of arrival. Doesn't seem to fit somehow. ???
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ETA please? I can't get past estimated time of arrival. Doesn't seem to fit somehow. ???
Took me a bit of working out, Lesley ;) I thought we could discount Basque organisations inthis instance and came up with this:
ETA = Edited to Add
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Oh. I can live with that though why not just modify and add? I expect I'll still think it as estimated.......
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I know exactly what you mean ,cohan... in fact the point is made very neatly in a link that Gail has just given in the paeony pages...
http://www.bennisonpeonies.co.uk/index.htm
The title page of this website has a glorious photo of some mouthwatering Itoh hybrid paeonies which looks for all the world like an old painting.... just exquisite!
its true, it really does look like a scene for an old painting!
i'm in a group of western/northern canadian gardeners and they are often talking about itohs--having noted some of the prices they mention, i don't usually pay much further attention (as in, can't even afford to pay attention to those ;)..lol.. there are a few peonies growing here that my mother or aunt planted in the last couple of decades sometime, and those will do me nicely :)
btw, took a quick glance at that site--a few lovely species, too, i note the one i liked most is the most expensive...lol
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Oh. I can live with that though why not just modify and add? I expect I'll still think it as estimated.......
Oops, sorry ;D On some fora it's considered impolite not to give a reason for editing your post, so it's become a habit.
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Can someone identify this cultivar growing in a friend's vegetable garden with radicchio? She has to move them now and wants to replace them in the autumn.
johnw
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Hello Dominique
Try this site
http://www.hortus-bulborum.nl/eng/home-english.html
here you find the biggest collection of tulips from the world
maybe they can help you and sometimes they sell also bulbs
and it is worth visiting there show garden
Roland
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Can someone identify this cultivar growing in a friend's vegetable garden with radicchio? She has to move them now and wants to replace them in the autumn.
johnw
John, it looks a bit like Rembrandt's Favorite, it's just the color on your picture which puzzles me a bit. To much red .
Maybe with another camera another color?
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Luit - I think you're correct, the flower was more of a purplish shade.
Thanks
johnw
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John, here is a picture from me and believe it's more true to the color.
Tulipa Rembrandt's Favorite
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That's the one. Thanks Luit.
johnw
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Either way, it would look great with the red raddichio. :)
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Either way, it would look great with the red raddichio. :)
Yes, an imaginative planting combination. :D
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And red raddichio taste better as Tulipa Rembrandt's Favorite ;D
Roland
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John, here is a picture from me and believe it's more true to the color.
Tulipa Rembrandt's Favorite
I was told today that the right name should be Tulipa 'Rems Favorite'
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A pot of Tulipa 'Tangerine Beauty' at Oxen Pond Botanic Garden, shot on Wednesday.
johnw
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Hello Dominique
Try this site
http://www.hortus-bulborum.nl/eng/home-english.html
here you find the biggest collection of tulips from the world
maybe they can help you and sometimes they sell also bulbs
and it is worth visiting there show garden
Roland
Thank you Roland. I will try there
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Promise of things to come :) Cape Cod's beautiful leaves.
Regards Paul R
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Paul,
While nowhere near as advanced, I have noticed Tulipa points up here in the garden and pots at the moment. Nothing like as advanced as yours though. Promise of things to come, indeed!! 8)
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Those are certainly great leaves Paul. What colour are the flowers? (But you'll show them later of course? :D)
I just noticed the gorgeous 'Tangerine Beauty.' What a stunner with incredibly good wriggly leaves as well. A super combination. :P
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I really like the leaves on the greigii hybrids Lesley and of course the beautiful flowers are the double bonus! The cultivar in the pot behind is Red Riding Hood.Cape Cod's bloom is apricot/red edged yellow.
Paul T, many of the tulips which I am growing this year , all in pots, were bought from the specialist bulb grower ''VOGELVRY'' from Tasmania.I put them all in my fridge before planting them into their pots, so that may explain why mine may be further advanced than yours.
Almost all my small collection of species are up, but only peeping above the soil, so that's gotta be a relief :). I also added a few more this year and am awaiting the germination of my cross ''Little Beauty X Aucheriana.That and Eichleri selfed were the only tulip seed that I harvested this year, apart from some dark standards.But I am now limited by space to a hankerchief sized garden.
Tangerine Beauty certainly has wrinkly leaves John, are there many cultivars to match that?
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Paul,
Yeah, mine are STILL in the fridge.... plenty of -4 to -5oC nights of late. ;D
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Why do you put tulips in the fridge? I could imagine with something like T regelii, or hissarica to delay top growth but late potting works for friends of mine. I dont even bother with that. I just pot them last along with the dry corydalis. winters here can be very erratic as regards frost, mkes no difference
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Though some of us Aussies do have to pre-chill tulips before planting, I think Paul meant that the outside temperatures are as cold as a fridge would be.
Rob K., playing hooky from watching the 'great' debate.
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Thanks Rob, sorry I was a bit slow :-[ we had the winter I can remember here, all the pots frozen in the plunges for 6 weeks. T hissarica was 6 weeks late, T orithrioides if it is named right, was even later and all the leaves coverd the flowers!
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We don't chill tulips at all, although the wholesalers may keep them in cool store for a while. Usually the bulbs are for sale later than other spring stuff and by the time I plant any it's pretty cool anyway. They always flower well. Now I think about it, they probably ARE pre-chilled by the wholesalers, as a friend whio lives in the subtropics north of Auckland, also flowers them well every year. Maybe not species though.
Seems the debate didn't amount to much Rob.
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"Seems the debate didn't amount to much Rob"
When I was a Fabian I'd probably have been all over it. Now the prospect of watching two intelligent people racing to the bottom just bemuses me.
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Hello Lesley
Tulips need a "cold " period from about 9-12 weeks
the temperature from the ground must be +9°C
or you put them in the fridge in a net nnot in a plastic bag
if you are in a warmer place you can test it
by cutting 1 bulb just for planting :'(
you can see the young flower but :D
it cost you one bulb
but this is better as having a nice field of leaves
cut the flowers just under the flower-head after flowering
in Holland they do it as soon as the flower opens
and give the plant fertilizer with high potassium
for example 7-14-28 NPK
and in a few years you have your own Tulip nursery
piece of cake. (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-merv/fry.gif)
Roland
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- in Holland they do it as soon as the flower opens
and give the plant fertilizer with high potassium
for example 7-14-28 NPK
and in a few years you have your own Tulip nursery
Roland
Thank you for this hint, Roland! Do you know a fertilizer with the formula mentioned above which is available in Germany (or the Netherlands)?
I also would be glad if you'll tell me the dosage (per m² or ha).
Thanks in advance.
Gerd
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Hello Gerd
Normally on a place where farmers buy there materials
or a good garden centre Sure in Venlo Netherlands
this is a large production place for many growers
Go to a big Nursery
ask for the chef
ask him where he buys his fertilisers
normally he will give you a friendly answer
On the box or bag is marked how much you have to use
better you go to a garden centre and test your soil
they charge normally 15-20€
but it tells you a lot of your soil
Most gardens can use a lot of chalk in Nov-Dec
buy it in large bags granulated
its a little more expensive but much easier
100 gram per m² is for many gardens normal to start with
Don't use it if you grow Erica , Rhododendron or other peat lovers
Roland
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Roland,
Thank you for quick reply! Venlo is not too far from here - before the EU
was realized my parents used to do a trip to this town in order to buy some
Dutch specialties.
Why not repeat this and look for a good fertilizer now! :)
Gerd
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Hello Gerd
You can ask around for nice nurseries
there are a lot of good nurseries there
I know one of the best for Canna is just south of Venlo
Roland
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I guess my own winter is cold enough for the tulips not to need extra chilling. :) I'm giving all my bulbs a high potassium fertilizer now, a sprinkle in their pots or in the garden when I plant them. I tried bonemeal this year as well. Unfortunately my little dog went looking for the bone in several places, so I've had to do a lot of replanting. >:(
Rob, it seems the debate was won by Masterchef Australia. ;D
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Gerd, cacti-fertilizer may have a similar concentration, I am using a german product with 8-12-24. Did not use it with cacti so far.
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Tulipa in flower now in our garden,
Tulipa saxatilis
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The similar but less prolific, Tulipa bakeri,
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Tulipa clusioides ssp aitchisonii now considered just a dwarf form of Tulipa clusiana.
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Tulipa kaufmannii
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Tulipa "The First"
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Tulipa greigii
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cheers
fermi
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Fermi,
nice tulips images.
I'm impressed by your condense clump of T. saxatilis flowering so abundantly :o
It is stoloniferous and spreading quickly. Do you use a basket ?
T. clusioides ssp aitchisonii's color combination is very lovely. A great dwarf tulip.
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Thanks, Armin,
no the Tulipa saxatilis is planted in a rocky bed with rock on 3 sides - it's creeping through the gaps where it can!
It's in full sun and has flowered well the last few years and the bed doesn't get watered in the summer unless it rains.
cheers
fermi
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Wonderful show Fermi !
T. clusioides is my favourite too !!
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Fermi,
I've tried to count the numerous flowers and buds! Hundred and more :o Realy amazing! Wow!
You have a lucky hand ;D
Congratulation!
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I've tried to count the numerous flowers and buds! Hundred and more :o Realy amazing! Wow!
You have a lucky hand ;D
Thanks, Armin, yes, I'm lucky that the climate suits these ones quite well (T.turkestanica however is another story!)
I counted the open flowers yesterday on this clump of Tulipa saxatilis and came up with over 150!
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Otto says when he visited he found one stem with 10 buds on it!
Other tulips, Tulipa aucheriana
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This we got as Tulipa whittalii but I believe it's now considered part of the T. orphadiea complex!
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This is Tulipa vvedenskyi with red pollen
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and this is Tulipa albertii with yellow pollen which maybe the only difference as some authorities include them as one species (we had much discussion last year!) but this one also increases much more.
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cheers
fermi
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Fermi , your patch of T. saxatilis is the most freeflowering one I have seen . It does not like my climate , whereas T bakeri flowers every year abundantly .
A picture of T tschimganica in my garden yesterday - a bit too much for my taste , maybe you like it better .
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Amazing tulips Otto and Fermi ! ! :o :o
6 months to go before we see ours ! ;)
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I realised that I'd neglected to post the rest of the tulip pics for this season, so will have to do so now!
The patch of Tulipa albertii
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Tulipa kolpakowskiana fergana group
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Tulipa vvedenskyi hybrid from Janis via Marcus Harvey in Tasmania,
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Tulipa chrysantha "Tubergen's Gem" (aka Tulipa clusiana v chrysantha)
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Tulipa clusiana
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"Cynthia" The cross between the previous two
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Tulipa hageri (maybe!) 'Little Princess' see Armin's reply below
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cheers
fermi
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Fermi,
you have a nice tulip collection. It seemed being a quite warm sunny day when you took the pictures as the tulips unfolded their flower pedals wide.
T. clusiana is one of the nicest wild tulips in my eyes. I like the peculiar color combination.
To me the last image looks a bit more cv. T. hageri 'Little Princess' due its more orange appearance to the wild forms of T. hageri.
But both look so similar on images that I can't take away your questionmark. :-\
The same is valid for the nice clump T. albertii of commercial trade. You might remember according to Janis note the 'true' gem looks different.
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Fermi, your tulips are amazing - seems I have to get more bulbs ::)
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This is Tulipa vvedenskyi with red pollen
and this is Tulipa albertii with yellow pollen which maybe the only difference as some authorities include them as one species (we had much discussion last year!) but this one also increases much more.
cheers
fermi
Fermi I was asked by my friend Sjaak de Groot to put the following comment on these pages:
In reaction on the photo,s of tulips from Fermi 22 oct. The so called T. albertii from your photo,s is a form of T. vvedenskyi (already mentioned by Janis) that grows wild in the Chatcal and Kurama mts. in Uzbekistan and Tadjikistan, these mountain ridges are the most southern ridges of the Tien-Shan, so T. vvedenskyi is a real mountain tulip growing on a level of about 2000 meters.
T. albertii grows much further to the north , I saw them growing in the central Kara-Tau ,near lake Capchagay and on the Northern side on Lake Balkash, all in Kazakhstan and always under semi desert conditions. These 3 populations are all different in form and flower colour
And also the habitat is different.
But they have always strong incurved inner petals.
I have never seen T. albertii in the Tien-Shan .
As I am not a member of the SRGC ,I ask my friend Luit if he will add this reaction.
Enclosed some photos of both species from the wild habitat.
Greetings
Sjaak de Groot
T. albertii central Karatau 2
T. albertii N of lake Balkash 1
T. vvedenskyi Kurama mts. Tadjikistan 1
T. vvedenskyi Kurama mts. Tadjikistan 2
T. albertii Capchagay 1
T. albertii Capchagay 2
T. albertii N of lake Balkash 2
T. albertii central Kara-Tau 1
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Luit, will you pass our kind thanks to Sjaak de Groot for his advice and these photographs, please?
It is so useful to get input from other travellers, and is much appreciated. Thank you, Sjaak.
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Luit,
thank you for the marvelous pictures and notes from your friend Sjaak de Groot. Best wishes to him.
May I call my 'T. albertii of commerce' now correctly as a form of T. vvedenskyi, too?
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Hi Armin and Luit,
thanks for your comments about "my T. albertii"and especial thanks to Sjaak for his pictures and comments. As Maggi said, it's wonderful to have informed comment and pics from the wild.
I was informed by my supplier that it was bought from Dix and Hoog at great expense (10x the cost of others!) many years ago as Tulipa albertii, so it has entered "commerce" in Australia that way. :-\
It would be good to eventually get the true T. albertii and I looked very sadly at those empty seed-pods in Sjaak's last pic - but then thought maybe they got the seed first! ;D
cheers
fermi
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Fermi, your tulips are wonderful in your rockery and seem to love their habitat :)
'Breathtaking' is the only way to describe the wonderful shots Sjaak has posted showing T.albertii and T vvedenskyi in the wild like specimens.
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Wonderful images from the wild Luit and Sjaak !!
Thanks so much for posting these ! Marvelous !
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Hi Armin and Luit,
thanks for your comments about "my T. albertii"and especial thanks to Sjaak for his pictures and comments. As Maggi said, it's wonderful to have informed comment and pics from the wild.
I was informed by my supplier that it was bought from Dix and Hoog at great expense (10x the cost of others!) many years ago as Tulipa albertii, so it has entered "commerce" in Australia that way. :-\
It would be good to eventually get the true T. albertii and I looked very sadly at those empty seed-pods in Sjaak's last pic - but then thought maybe they got the seed first! ;D
cheers
fermi
Fermi,
my clone it is still on the trade here under name of T. albertii, too :-\
But thanks to all the experts feedback in this forum around the globe I never stop learning and it is inspiring me daily! :D
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Hpw womderful to find those specks of brilliant red and yellow in what would otherwise seem a barren and so harsh landscape. 8)
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Armin,
It is quite hard to imagine that true tulipa albertii can be offered in commerce, as this species usually don't increase vegetatively.
Your tulip doesn’t look as tulipa vvedenskyi as well. Tulipa vvedenskyi is dwarf and have different shape of leaves and flowers.
Your tulip reminds me the unknown tulip, which is commonly sold in commerce as tulipa sprengeri. I grow this false sprengeri, but I don't have a good picture to show. So I show a clone selected by Russian botanist Z.M. Silina from this false sprengeri, called 'Czerementz'.
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Hello everybody, it is me and my questions again :)
I wonder if it is possible for an amateur like me to have tulip hybrids? And I also wonder if any of you has his/her own hybrids?
Thank you
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Zhirair,
thank you for your kind support to identify my wrong T. albertii.
I can see a resemblance of 'Czerementz' but my clone lacks the black basal blotch. :-\
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Zhirair,
thank you for your kind support to identify my wrong T. albertii.
I can see a resemblance of 'Czerementz' but my clone lacks the black basal blotch. :-\
Armin,
I forgot to mention, that one of the features of this false tulipa sprengeri, is its late blooming. It flowers with late-blooming tulips. So if your unknown tulip blooms late, most probably it is tulipa sprengeri (false type). The difference in base colour is not very serious, as even among one species specimens can have differences in base colour.
Another tulipa sprengeri variety, called 'Darunok Irini' (translaton: 'Irina's Present') bred in Ukraine by A.S. Koltsova (Nikita Botanic garden)
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Hello everybody, it is me and my questions again :)
I wonder if it is possible for an amateur like to have tulip hybrids? And I also wonder if any of you has his/her own hybrids?
Thank you
Of course, it is possible and not difficult to have your own hybrid, but you need to have a patience. You just cross two varieties, collect seeds and sow. In around 5 to 8 years the seedlings will bloom and you'll have your own hybrids. But if you want your hybrids to be accpted as varieties, they should surpass the existing varieties in something.
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Reply from Sjaak about T. albertii
Where Zhirair says T. vvedenskyi is a dwarf tulip I can’t agree, in nature and in cultivation it is more medium size, the pictures in Janis book Buried Treasures shows this medium size too.
But in comparison with the long cottage tulips I think almost all wild tulips look dwarf.
The comparison of the false T. albertii with the even false T. sprengerii is understandable, in the first sight they have some similarities, but genetic resource by Dr. B. Zonneveld shows clearly that the false T. albertii belongs to T. vvedenskyi and the false T. sprengerii belongs to the gesneriana tulips , and well very close to T. hungarica.
Fermy the seedpods of T. albertii are from the year before ,al the seeds were already blown by the wind when we arrived. Lots of bulbs where eaten by a sort of kangaroo mouse with the name greater gerboa
Next year I will try to pollinate some T. alberti's for seed.
Sjaak de Groot
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Luit, Sjaak,
Thanks a lot for taking time to clarify this matter.
Relating the word "dwarf", you're probably right. Most of my Single Late tulips get over 1 m in my garden. So saying dwarf I ment up to 30-35 cm. By medium height I mainly understand 50-55 cm.
Very interesting to know that this false tulipa sprengerii belongs to gesneriana group. Now I see that even flower shape looks somewhat similar to gesneriana cultivars. Janis Ruksans were also puzzled by this tulip origin. As it is stated in his catalogue, the tulip that he received many years ago as tulipa sprengerii, were recognized by his customers as not true to name and he still couldn't find out what tulip he grows.
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Hello everybody, it is me and my questions again :)
I wonder if it is possible for an amateur like to have tulip hybrids? And I also wonder if any of you has his/her own hybrids?
Thank you
Of course, it is possible and not difficult to have your own hybrid, but you need to have a patience. You just cross two varieties, collect seeds and sow. In around 5 to 8 years the seedlings will bloom and you'll have your own hybrids. But if you want your hybrids to be accpted as varieties, they should surpass the existing varieties in something.
Thank you so much Zhirair!
Which groups of tulips are eligible to cross hybrids?
Division 1 - Single early varieties
Division 2 - Double early varieties
Division 3 - Triumph varieties
Division 4 - Darwin tulips
Division 5 - Single late tulips
Division 6 - Lily-flowered varieties
Division 7 - Fringed varieties
Division 8 - Viridiflora varieties
Division 9 - Rembrandt tulips
Division 10 - Parrot tulips
Division 11 - Double late or Peony-flowered varieties
Division 12 - Kaufmanniana hybrids
Division 13 - Fosteriana hybrids
Division 14 - Greigii hybrids
Division 15 - Species tulips(I think these are the natural source of first hybridizations)
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Zhirair, Luit and Sjaak,
many thanks for your replies and help for proper identification. Exciting news :o
My false T. albertii (bought in 2005 from M. Beyer in Germany) usual flowers mid of April in my climate. Never as late as T. sprengeri in May. My conclusion is then I should call my clone now 'nameless T. vvedenskyi hybrid'.
I googled a bit and found the web pages of H.M. Meeuwissen Voorhout http://www.meeuwissenvoorhout.nl/UK/index_2.htm (http://www.meeuwissenvoorhout.nl/UK/index_2.htm) showing a picture of a (false) T. albertii and different types of T. vvedenskyi for comparison (when you scroll down and then right).
And, 'Darunok Irini' is a fine clone.
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In case tulip lovers have missed the show of old English tulips, here is the topic link http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5434.0 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5434.0) which contains great pictures and a short article by the secretary of the Wakefield & North of England Society.
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In case tulip lovers have missed the show of old English tulips, here is the topic link http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5434.0 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5434.0) which contains great pictures and a short article by the secretary of the Wakefield & North of England Society.
Frazer,
Thanks a lot this link. Unfortunately, I missed this thread, but owing to your message I very enjoyed this therad and wonderful photographs.
I do adore English florist tulips. When first I saw them in pictures, they didn't impress me seriously by their humble appearance. I didn't know they they are so so beautiful until I tested some in my garden and had an opportunity to see them in real. 2 years a go I got a present with English Florists' tulips from my Ukrainian colleague. The following spring when they bloomed I just was blown away by their exceptional beauty. Their blooms were so harmonic and symmetrical, that they seemed to be artificial and made by an artist. To my opinion they are most close tulips to epitome of classic tulip.
Some photos:
'Talisman'
'Bessie'
Plus 2 Dutch breeders:
'Cardinal Manning'
'Wisconsin' (brown) (not be be confused with triumph tulip under the same name
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Zhirair,
Thanks for showing your super photographs which I'll share with the Wakefield Society.
I hope to get to the Wakefield Show next year and will post some pictures.
Frazer
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Zhirair,
Thanks for showing your super photographs which I'll share with the Wakefield Society.
I hope to get to the Wakefield Show next year and will post some pictures.
Frazer
Frazer,
Pleased to know that my photographs impressed you. I grow 10 English Florists' tulip cultivars so far. And taking into account their exceptional beauty I intend to take efforts in getting all cultivars, which are in existence and which have their breeder forms. I am not indifferent to their broken forms and adore their magical beauty, but due to virus I don't grow them.
I thought several times to become a member of Wakefield Tulip Society, but as I live far away and not able to become an active member and participate in the exhibitions I didn't apply for membership. But I have their wonderful brochure, which I got from a good friend from Sweden.