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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: Tony Willis on February 01, 2010, 04:53:23 PM
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Some lovely crocus pictures being shown this couple of days break in the cold has brought them on.
Hendrik your Crocus biflorus nubigena is very nice. I have not seen one with a black spot as mentioned by Ibrahim. Here are two pictures of Crocus biflorus ssp crewii. They are not good as i have been pulling them apart to pollinate them but they show how close they are to ssp nubigena. Mathew says they are only seperated by the number of leaves. You will see one of mine is specled and not striped but the other is striped like yours.
I also have a picture of Crocus biflorus ssp issauricus which can grow in mixed colonies with ssp nubigena.
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Hendrik,
Do you know original location of your nubigena came?
My nubigena has allways black spot in throat which I can not see in yours! :-\
Ibrahim,
My nubigena came from Rare plants nursery/Paul Christian in 1995; I have checked his 1995 catalogue, but there is no indication of locality, only "West-Turkey"; two years ago I have collected one bulb of a cream coloured nubigena in Labranda.
I suppose you must find there more and maybe different colour forms.
Hendrik
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Some lovely crocus pictures being shown this couple of days break in the cold has brought them on.
Hendrik your Crocus biflorus nubigena is very nice. I have not seen one with a black spot as mentioned by Ibrahim. Here are two pictures of Crocus biflorus ssp crewii. They are not good as i have been pulling them apart to pollinate them but they show how close they are to ssp nubigena. Mathew says they are only seperated by the number of leaves. You will see one of mine is specled and not striped but the other is striped like yours.
I also have a picture of Crocus biflorus ssp issauricus which can grow in mixed colonies with ssp nubigena.
Tony,
indeed nubigena and crewii are very close: nubigena 5/6 rather small leaves and crewii 2/3 rather broad.
In annex another form of nubigena, collected in Labranda, where nerimaniae grow..
Hendrik
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Hendrik,
indeed your C. biflorus ssp. nubigena are stunning! 8)
Any experience to please the specis in the open garden?
Armin,
I have never tried nubigena in my garden; I have a woodland garden and my soil is too wet during winter.
All my crocusesand bulbs are grown in pots/bulb frame.
Hendrik
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hendrik
did you go in the spring because when I was there in the autumn there was only nerimaniae and pallasii? The nubigena would not have been in growth then. That is a very fine plant.
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hendrik
did you go in the spring because when I was there in the autumn there was only nerimaniae and pallasii? The nubigena would not have been in growth then. That is a very fine plant.
Tony,
I was there in spring 2008; there were of course out of flower, but we find after a long search some bulbs with leaves (unfortunately all virus-infected).
Hendrik
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I noticed that Janis had said nerimaniae were virused at Labranda but I saw no sign of it. I am no expert on spotting virus so certainly would not argue. My plants are raised from seed and seem okay. I have seen them at the other site by the dam and they seemed clear there.
It is interesting that both species growing together but one flowering autumn and the other spring have black anthers.
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I noticed that Janis had said nerimaniae were virused at Labranda but I saw no sign of it. I am no expert on spotting virus so certainly would not argue. My plants are raised from seed and seem okay. I have seen them at the other site by the dam and they seemed clear there.
It is interesting that both species growing together but one flowering autumn and the other spring have black anthers.
Tony,
Viruses are not transmitted by seeds; it's the only way to obtain virus free plants from virus infected plants.
Hendrik
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Today we had here in Belgium a lot of sun, and look what's flowering today in my alpine house: Crocus biflorus ssp. nubigena, one of my great favourites. Enjoy the black anthers!
Hendrik
Rik, Excellent nubigenas.
Janis
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Today we had here in Belgium a lot of sun, and look what's flowering today in my alpine house: Crocus biflorus ssp. nubigena, one of my great favourites. Enjoy the black anthers!
Hendrik
Rik, Excellent nubigenas.
Janis
Indeed Janis; if you are interested, I have a (very) few to swap; please put them on your autumn wish list.
Rik
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Hendrik,
Do you know original location of your nubigena came?
My nubigena has allways black spot in throat which I can not see in yours! :-\
My stock has both types - see attached pictures (from 2008,09). HERE EVERY DAY ONLY MORE AND MORE SNOW.
Janis
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Sunshine today so some crocus in bloom.
Crocus baytopiorum in sun.
Crocus baytopiorum in shade,
Crocus flavus
Crocus fleischer
Crocus imperatii De Jager
Crocus laevigatus
Crocus sieberi subsp atticus
Crocus tommasinianus CEH534
Crocus uschak orange.
Crocus vernus subsp vernus heuffelianus (not true,possible hyb)
Michael, your last crocus is possible Cr.vernus 'Yalta' ( vernus x tommasinianus ),
several trader offered this form under the name heuffelianus.
'Yalta' is mine and I think that contrast between outer and inner segments is greater, but not easy to judge from picture only.
Janis
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MIchael, I'm with Dirk, 'Yalta' or probably 'Haarlem Gem'
I had the same plants from Dix years ago, when I ordered heuffelianus.
By color more 'Harlem Gem' but it has narrower segments.
Janis
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Today we had here in Belgium a lot of sun, and look what's flowering today in my alpine house: Crocus biflorus ssp. nubigena, one of my great favourites. Enjoy the black anthers!
Hendrik
Rik, Excellent nubigenas.
Janis
Janis,
What do you think of this chrysanthus? I like the name "Black Fire".
I got it many years ago.
Unfortunately it grows so slow, so slow, ... I think 5 bulbs after 6 years, but please put in on your wish list too, so that I don't forget to send one bulb to our greatest croconut. It will be in save hands!
Hendrik
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Hendrik,
Do you know original location of your nubigena came?
My nubigena has allways black spot in throat which I can not see in yours! :-\
My stock has both types - see attached pictures (from 2008,09). HERE EVERY DAY ONLY MORE AND MORE SNOW.
Janis
Janis,
Excellent!!!
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Oh, my goodness.... such fabulous crocus.... I must fetch Ian to see these!! 8)
.....half an hour later...... yes, I thought so... Ian is speechless to see these great crocus too. A real treat, thank you all!
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Stunning nubigenas Janis - all brilliant ! :o :o
Hendrik, that's a very special chrisanthus ... and indeed a well chosen name, beautiful !! :D
Flowering with me at the moment :
1 & 2 Crocus baytopiorum - on a longer stem then some I have seen here - but it remains a glorious Crocus to my eyes.
3 & 4 Crocus sieberi atticus "Michael Hoog's Memory" - from Janis
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Picture 1 of your baytopiorum is super Luc!!
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Janis, Hendrik, real exquisite C. biflorus ssp. nubigena - very lovely.
Hendrik,
your "Black Fire" is a real gem. :o Wow! 8) A pity it increases so slow.
It resembles cv. "Gündogmüs Bronze" but yours is more darker on the outer pedals.
Luc,
excellent croci - it seems you got the crocus fever and becoming a real croconut! ;D
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Very nice Crocus from everybody :o
Janis, thank you very much for showing the variation of nubigena but I am stil not very clear! I think some of your nubigena might have sign of C. biflorus caricus form Caria region (black throat instead of yellow!)
Mark McD. your biflorus doesn't look like C. biflorus pulchricolor to me! may it be C. etruscus Rosalind!
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Hendrik,
your nubigena from Labranda very lovely one. Is there anyway to see throat? It has yellow, black or black spoted? Because there are many new record from that corner of Tr. And I can't reach any descriptions. I have only proximatly locations >:(
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test
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The nicest Crocus in my collection, for now, is open but I realised too late for a photo. It's the custard powder orange and darkest chocolate - C. Janis Ruksans.
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I forgot to say I have seed goulimyi pods above ground. Is this normal?
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Sorry Mark, can't answer your question but I see no Crocus posted for two days ??? ???
I'll try to do something about that.
This is Crocus sieberi "George" - according to Janis, this is a mutant from C. "Hubert Edelsten", itself a cross between C. sieberi ssp sieberi and C. sieberi ssp atticus.
Sorry, the pix are a bit blurry. :(
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Luc,
this is a lovely crocus hybrid. Excellent. :D
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I forgot to say I have seed goulimyi pods above ground. Is this normal?
It is a bit on the early side, Mark; must be to do with earlier flowering in the autumn?
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I forgot to say I have seed goulimyi pods above ground. Is this normal?
Nope.
Oh, sorry Maggi. Just noticed you'd already answered this. I thought no-one had. How could I have not have seen you there?
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I forgot to say I have seed goulimyi pods above ground. Is this normal?
Mine are above ground and also on a couple of other autumn species.
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Nope.
Oh, sorry Maggi. Just noticed you'd already answered this. I thought no-one had. How could I have not have seen you there?
I was hidden by a crocus........ ::)
It is certainly early for us to have seed pods showing on C. goulimyi here.... too cold up here.......
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when I saw them I thought it was very late flower buds emerging
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This is Crocus sieberi "George" - according to Janis, this is a mutant from C. "Hubert Edelsten", itself a cross between C. sieberi ssp sieberi and C. sieberi ssp atticus.
A very atttractive crocus Luc!
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This is Crocus sieberi "George" - according to Janis, this is a mutant from C. "Hubert Edelsten", itself a cross between C. sieberi ssp sieberi and C. sieberi ssp atticus.
A very atttractive crocus Luc!
‘Hubert Edelsten’ is sterile hybrid between C. sieberi from Crete and C. atticus from mainland Greece. The single fault of C. sieberi is limited hardiness. Planted outside here it is very short living and are killed in first less favorable winter. I never managed to keep it longer than 2 – 3 seasons if planted outside. Potted plants in greenhouse never suffered from winter conditions. ‘Hubert Edelsten’ is much hardier although I lost it, too, after very hard winters, but it is easy replaceable from Dutch nurseries. In any case now I plant small stock of it in greenhouse, too. Famous Dutch breeder of crocuses and other small bulbs Willem van Eeden selected a mutation of ‘Hubert Edelsten’ and named it in honor of famous Russian iris specialist George Rodionenko as ‘George’. It is of the same beauty but with larger and more rounded flowers and narrower white zone, flowering few days later. But its greatest advantage is improved hardiness. I lost ‘Hubert Edelsten’ in several cases but it never happens with ‘George’.
Janis
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Here still deep winter and only place to see crocuses is Forum and pictures of last year. This week I together with helper worked hard cleaning tons of snow from roofs of my polytunnels and shoveling it from sides of greenhouses. At least slept very well in night although sometimes awakened from nightmares continuing shoveling...
So I can add pictures only from previous years. As higher were mentioned one of the very best crocuses from Turkey - Crocus baytopiorum, recently separated from others in its own Series Baytopi, I want to show few pictures of this very unusual and something variable species. The best is LST stock, less spectacular - unknown origin from Dutch nursery (I think that I got this from W. van Eeden many years ago).
Janis
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Thanks for the additional info on C. sieberi "George" Janis - will try it outside when I (hopefully) have some more bulbs in a couple of years ! I find it very attractive anyway !!
Lovely Baytopiorum by the way !! So delicate and short stemmed !!
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Delighted to find my first Crocus michelsonii.
Can someone please identify the orange crocus
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Won't venture to identify your orange Crocus Art, but your michelsonii seems to be a very nice form indeed.
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Arthur it hard to ID your yellow one without open flowers and corm tunic.
But the broad leaves could point to C. olivieri.
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Arthur it hard to ID your yellow one without open flowers and corm tunic.
But the broad leaves could point to C. olivieri.
Thomas
You need sun for open flowers :) I think you are right to suggest olivieri. Thanks
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Thomas
You need sun for open flowers :)
I have heard it also works with ARTificial lights ;D
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Thomas you got it right
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Here still deep winter and only place to see crocuses is Forum and pictures of last year. This week I together with helper worked hard cleaning tons of snow from roofs of my polytunnels and shoveling it from sides of greenhouses. At least slept very well in night although sometimes awakened from nightmares continuing shoveling...
So I can add pictures only from previous years. As higher were mentioned one of the very best crocuses from Turkey - Crocus baytopiorum, recently separated from others in its own Series Baytopi, I want to show few pictures of this very unusual and something variable species. The best is LST stock, less spectacular - unknown origin from Dutch nursery (I think that I got this from W. van Eeden many years ago).
Janis
I must say, I would consider C. baytopiorum among the top 10 most beautiful crocus ever. The image of blue buds emerging from the soil is worthy of framing. Thanks for sharing these Janis! Fun to see the variability too.
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I would agree Mark.
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Here's a view of my Crocus and other bulbs. The close up is what I got as E.P. Bowles
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Mark,
a very nice bud and markings.
I can't say if it is the right cv. "E.P. Bowles". My order of E.P. Bowles turned out to be all Goldilocks. Luit kindly sent me a comparison photo from his Dutch friend. Both resemble strongly. Goldilocks has a bit darker markings and is more yellow.
But I still can't judge properly when comparing with yours.
Maybe Thomas or Janis have better reference photos.
The KAVB gives following (limited) description of E.P. Bowles:
Flowers lemon yellow (HCC 4), bronzy base extending to purplish brown blotch; flowers smaller than chrysanthus 'E.A. Bowles'
E.A. Bowles: Flowers oblong, lemon yellow (HCC 4), bronzy green base with purplish feathered margins; flowers larger than chrysanthus 'E.P. Bowles'.
Both cv.'s were introduced by Tubergen before 1935.
The trouble is there is no 100% guarantee that the original clone is still in cultivation.
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whatever it is it is lovely. I think a couple of years ago I was told it was Goldilocks
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Mark and Armin,
First of all, Mark S, I like your C. chrysanthus E.P. Bowles, I'm partial to the many "chrysanthus" cultivars.
Do you find you get hybrids of C. chrysanthus when sowing by seed. Have you tried deliberate crosses with them? I get boat loads of seed on them, and in recent years just scratch them into the soil. In 2008 some seedlings started flowering. One seedling caught my attention, particularly brownish in bud, later opening up brownish yellow and purplish, somewhat similar to C. chrysanthus 'Advance" that is growing near by. It's fun seeing the different colors. A few photos uploaded (I know these aren't in pots, but the topic relevance in this case is C. chrysanthus forms). The pale blue crocus in the background I purchased as C. c 'Blue Pearl'.
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Mark,
hybridisation amoung cultivars happen when they are freely pollinated by bees or hand pollinated.
But not all cv.'s set seed. Some crosses are completely sterile, others have defective anthers/pollen.
The latter ones can set seed only with external pollen. The hybrid seed can vary in size, shape and color.
It is always a pleasure when some hybrids appear. :D
The brown hybrid is very attractive.
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Advance at it's best, Mark. I have got it many times but they were always something else
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Mark I rarely get seeds and that includes after a lot of brushing pollen on styles
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Mark I rarely get seeds and that includes after a lot of brushing pollen on styles
Oh, that's too bad you don't get much seed. Maybe we just happen to have lots of crocus-loving bees here :). One thing I should explain in the photos above, the weird black debris around the crocus blooms are the old spent blooms on Hibiscus syriacus cultivars, under which these crocus are planted.
Armin, the C. chrysanthus hybrid seed must be of mixed types? The seed looks varied in size and shape.
PS. Mark, sorry to hear that your greenhouse was vandalized, that's terrible and shocking, just so senseless!
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Mark what is the little crocus to the left of Advance?
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Mark what is the little crocus to the left of Advance?
It is C. fleischeri (it is included in the photo title), cute little thing isn't it :D
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Mark M,
yes, the seed is a mix from open pollinated chysanthus/biflorus cultivars. C. fleischeri is a nice specis. I like it.
Mark S,
I'm not sure you grow your crocus collection only in the Greenhouse and if you allow bees to enter it when the sun is shining.
I have had great pollination success with my bee hotel for solitaire bees.
They are active at much lower temperatures compared to state building bees and they don't sting at all. :D
There are certainly 30 to 50 different specis in Ireland too - great for close observation.
Maybe a try worth?
Fix the bee hotel (hole diameters range from 3 to 10mm) on a south faced side, sheltered from rainfall/moist. And wait. It will certainly not last long until the first bees arrive.
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Forgot to mention a good web site (german language) for different types of bee hotels:
http://www.tierundnatur.de/wildbienen/wbschutz.htm (http://www.tierundnatur.de/wildbienen/wbschutz.htm)
Click on the left side to see different types and to get inspiration for your own hotel design! :D
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Armin , I've been trying to locate Cr.chrys. 'E.A. Bowles ' for many years but without success. Do you know if it has been lost to cultivation ?
C. chrys. 'E.P. Bowles' is available here in Australia and it has been in my garden since the 1960s .
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Armin we do not have bees flying at this time of year. It will be another 4 to 6 weeks. Due to our unreliable weather. I grow most in the greenhouse so I can enjoy them. In the garden are tommies, vernus, dalmaticus and some chrysanthus.
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Here's a view of my Crocus and other bulbs. The close up is what I got as E.P. Bowles
Seem to be true. I'm not growing it more for decades, but I checked by my first monograph on Crocuses (1981, in Latvian). See attached scans from it. On second picture back designs 23 - cv. E.A. Bowles, 24 - E. P. Bowles. Only your pictures are too bright yellow, real color is paler.
Janis
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Wonderful Crocus clumps Mark MCD !! Beautiful !
Love the hybrids too - I found some of my own as well last year - will show them when in flower. :D
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Otto,
I failed to find cv. E.A. Bowles too and I believe it is no longer in commercial cultivation.
Mark,
of course now no bees are flying. But your flowering season won't be over in 4-6 weeks? Consider to built one! At least for natur protection reasons and the crocus growing in the garden ;) :)
Janis,
thank you for your excerpt of your first monograph on Crocuses. I feel pity some real beautiful cultivars in your graphic are no longer available i.e. chrys. Nanette, Buttercup, E.A. Bowles, Mariette, Blue Peter, vernus Early Perfection.
I don't know "Maximilian". Is it one of your own selections/hybrids?
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Armin I like this one http://www.tierundnatur.de/wildbienen/wbschutz.htm (http://www.tierundnatur.de/wildbienen/wbschutz.htm) are they expensive?
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Last night in surfing I did run across a retailer who did list it but haven't been able to find it again yet!
John B
Otto,
I failed to find cv. E.A. Bowles too and I believe it is no longer in commercial cultivation.
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Wonderful Crocus clumps Mark MCD !! Beautiful !
Love the hybrids too - I found some of my own as well last year - will show them when in flower. :D
Looking forward to seeing your hybrid seedlings Luc. In the brownish one I show, the only seed I sowed was from C. chrys. 'Blue Pearl' around the mother clump, but within 60 cm there are clumps of 'Goldilocks' and 'Advance', so obviously the bees are doing their work.
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Janis,
thank you for your excerpt of your first monograph on Crocuses. I feel pity some real beautiful cultivars in your graphic are no longer available i.e. chrys. Nanette, Buttercup, E.A. Bowles, Mariette, Blue Peter, vernus Early Perfection.
I don't know "Maximilian". Is it one of your own selections/hybrids?
MAXIMILLIAN - very old Dutch(?) variety, if I remember correctly, it was light lilac, if the lightest was VANGUARD, followed VIOLET VANGUARD and the third in line was MAXIMILLIAN.
All those varieties were in my collection more that 15 years ago. It was difficult time after aquairing of independence, absolute collapse of economy. inflation 10 000% and I was forced to shorten collection. The first were shortened foreign raised cultivars, giving accent to wild species and my own hybrids. Not easy decision, but such was the life. Some years ago I sold all my daffodil collection - 1400 cultivars and selected hybrids, in total 1 acre of plantings. Again it was not easy to decide, but such is the life.
Janis
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Mark,
I've created a 'bee box' with old stumps and a hand drill. Simply bore various sizes of holes the depth of a drill bit into the wood and place vertically in a dry area of the garden. Most bees prefer a dry, warm spot for their homes. Another method is to take reed stems about 8"/20cm long and bundle them together. Different bees seem to prefer different sites. Composite bee homes are possible, made of drilled logs with reeds or mud placed in the spaces between the logs. Best to frame these together with some planks or metal band.
My house has lots of holes in the facade , as the bricks are in 'shadow pointing', which leaves the canals in the bricks somewhat exposed. Bees love it (and so does the frost!). Not to be recommended for house longevity, but this was fashionable in the '50s.
I have an amazing amount of bees, hoverflys, dragon flies, butterflies, etc. simply due to these 'shelters'. Highly recommended.
Armin, great link!
Jamie
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The only bees I see in my garden are bumblebees and the small black one that collects pollen on it's under side. I have a place I can put a bee house
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I've located just the spot for a bee hotel and just need the 'man with the drill' who says he will do it 8)
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I was at Wisley yesterday to attend the Cyclamen Early Show. Whilst there I visited the Alpine House and took photos of some of the Crocus
Crocus biflorus crewei
Crocus biflorus isauricus (I particularly like the one at the front of the pot :))
Crocus biflorus ssp. punctatus
I have included the labels where there was additional information
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At the Cyclamen Early Show at Wisley yesterday, there was a section for plants that grow in association with Cyclamen.
There was this amazing pot of Crocus michelsonii grown and shown by Lee & Julie Martin :o The original 3 corms came from Kath Dryden and were swapped for 3 corms of their white Crocus banaticus
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that's some potfull. They look too warm
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Mark
The room was warm and they had been flowering for some time.
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At the Cyclamen Early Show at Wisley yesterday, there was a section for plants that grow in association with Cyclamen.
There was this amazing pot of Crocus michelsonii grown and shown by Lee & Julie Martin :o The original 3 corms came from Kath Dryden and were swapped for 3 corms of their white Crocus banaticus
Art, it looks like a crocus salad. Let's get StephenB over here and he can eat it ;D ;D ;D
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Art a very nice crocus show. just isauricus pots seems quite mixet to me. Leaves are not in same wide and lond, the flowers also not in same form! like season salad :D
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Thanks for the show Art !! 8)
Some great Crocus there and the potful of Michelsonii.... :o :o
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that's some potfull.
Yes it is quite a potful. It's several years since I've seen any of Lee & Julie's show plants in the flesh but my memory is that the majority of their exhibits were always like this. While undeniably impressive, I don't find such pots attractive. When crowded like this the beauty of the individual flowers is lost. However, I suspect mine is a minority opinion.
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Mark,
I use this web pages just as an idea pattern. I have no idea what they cost. As Jamie wrote with a little skill it is quite easy and cheap to do this handicrafts. The benefit for the wild solitary bees is great, anyway.
Arthur,
nice croci. Especial like your C. biflorus ssp. crewei. 8)
The potful C. michelsonii formed by only 3 corms - quite amazing!
I agree with you the single beauty of each flower is suffering in this pot.
On the other hand, in general, if corms and bulbs are planted en masse makes a great flower show.
That's why I'm a fan of crocus meadows too :P ;D
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Arthur,
nice croci. Especial like your C. biflorus ssp. crewei. 8)
The potful C. michelsonii formed by only 3 corms - quite amazing!
I agree with you the single beauty of each flower is suffering in this pot.
On the other hand, in general, if corms and bulbs are planted en masse makes a great flower show.
That's why I'm a fan of crocus meadows too :P ;D
I wish the C. biflorus ssp. crewei was mine - it is in the Alpine House at Wisley.
The pot of Crocus michelsonii had a minimum of 15 corms - it had not been repotted in 2008. I think 3 to 15 in 5 years is impressive and would like to think my michelsonii will multiply and the same rate. :)
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Arthur,
thanks - sometimes twice reading is helpful. :D A pity they are not yours...
Ahh - from 3 to 15 corms... That explains it. :)
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Janis,
thank you for your your reply on "Maximillian". It seems only "Vanguard" survived...
A pity you had to give up so many cultivars :(
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After a few less cold days there are some flowers in the potted collection here. Looks like staying cold this week so not many in flower for a while yet. Most you have seen before but this one received as Crocus biflorus ssp isauricus is especially nice.
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Tony,
very lovely. What do you think is it if not ssp. isauricus?
Some hybrid with ssp. crewei due black anthers?
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Hi all, small amount of sun yesterday,encouraged this sieberi sublimis? to open. From Mt.Chelmos 07 ear Ski centre.
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Tony,
very lovely. What do you think is it if not ssp. isauricus?
Some hybrid with ssp. crewei due black anthers?
Hmm - I have problems with the biflorus group. Many of the distinctions are made on fine botanical details. Sometimes these are details of variable characteristics. Also the precise location of the original wild plant may need to be known. In my experience these are difficult plants to name accurately so I am cautious when applying subspecies names. If a plant is raised from cultivated seed than it may be a hybrid - here the situation becomes inpossible!
I have many such beautiful forms of Crocus biflorus - whatever you call them!
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I have many such beautiful forms of Crocus biflorus - whatever you call them!
Couldn't agree more Tony ! It's a true gem !! :o
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After a few less cold days there are some flowers in the potted collection here. Looks like staying cold this week so not many in flower for a while yet. Most you have seen before but this one received as Crocus biflorus ssp isauricus is especially nice.
Excellent form. I never saw isauricus with so black anthers. Number of leaves is at borderline, seem something too wide, but not possible to judge by pictures only.
Janis
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A few here fresh from an hour on the kitchen window sill.
Crocus gargaricus, this one from Tony Willis. Thanks Tony.
C. etruscus 'Zwanenberg'
C. chrysanthus 'Blue Pearl'
C. chrysanthus 'Fuscotinctus'
C. angustifolius 'Bronze Form'
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Every one a gem! So beautiful, so photogenic..... a real delight.
I'm in croco-heaven and I don't think I'm alone!
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Tony, your biflorus is nearer to crewei than isauricus. leaves color, wideness are ok . numeral maybe in hands of good growers! (on wild not more than three) in this case tunuc may helps ! (crewei has eggshell isauricus membramous!)
In pots some times the seed may jump in next pots!
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David lovely crocus i wish i had potted some of my C. chrysanthus var now all are in the garden and still no flowers.
Tony i know people have to pin point a plant to species(i hate having my plants with out a name)but what ever it is,it is a stunner wow
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Nice crocus views! I really like C. chrys. 'Blue Pearl'. But I'm wondering, after looking at Janis' scan of chrysanthus cultivar diagrams, if we know how true these are today. Blue Pearl is one of my very favorites, I'm a softy for soft colors, but comparing the diagram for Blue Pearl the markings at the end of the petals don't entirely match. The plants I grow look much like those shown in David's beautiful photographs. I'm not a stickler on such issues, it's a lovely form regardless, just a bit curious though.
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A few here fresh from an hour on the kitchen window sill.
Very nice David, is the wife out again today? ;D ;D ;D
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McMark, you may be interested to see this file Thomas Huber prepared some time ago.... very useful for comparison of various hybrids/cultivars in cultivation at the moment....
Click on the file name to download......
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McMark, you may be interested to see this file Thomas Huber prepared some time ago.... very useful for comparison of various hybrids/cultivars in cultivation at the moment....
Click on the file name to download......
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Thanks, that is a handy resource. I see my favorite of favorite chrysanthus type in there; 'Prins Claus', incredibly fragrant flowers.
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Nice crocus views! I really like C. chrys. 'Blue Pearl'. But I'm wondering, after looking at Janis' scan of chrysanthus cultivar diagrams, if we know how true these are today. Blue Pearl is one of my very favorites, I'm a softy for soft colors, but comparing the diagram for Blue Pearl the markings at the end of the petals don't entirely match. The plants I grow look much like those shown in David's beautiful photographs. I'm not a stickler on such issues, it's a lovely form regardless, just a bit curious though.
Mark,
Those diagrams show the darker parts on flower segments or differently colored zones. Designs are made very long ago when bulbs were sold by company who grew them. Of course, even then were possible mistakes, but I got samples from various sources, compared them and included only those, about which had no doubt about identity. There were 4 main sources - Van Tubergen company (Michael Hoog), Pruhonicky Institut of Ornamental Plants (then Czekoslovakia), Main Botanical Garden of USSR (Moscow) and Botanical Garden of Latvian Academy of Sciences (near Riga). Tomorrow I will translate detailed description of 'Blue Pearl'. There must be RHS Color Chart numbers atached (I haven't monograph at home, only in my office).
Janis
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Nice crocus views! I really like C. chrys. 'Blue Pearl'. But I'm wondering, after looking at Janis' scan of chrysanthus cultivar diagrams, if we know how true these are today. Blue Pearl is one of my very favorites, I'm a softy for soft colors, but comparing the diagram for Blue Pearl the markings at the end of the petals don't entirely match. The plants I grow look much like those shown in David's beautiful photographs. I'm not a stickler on such issues, it's a lovely form regardless, just a bit curious though.
By the way, flowers of Blue Pearl on the pictures looks something suspicious for virus, especially less opened flower on right side in the first picture. Color of more open specimen looks something uneven, too.
On diagram - there are tepals outsides, right is outer, left inner. At bottom is darker zone surrounding bottom tongue on outer segment, but on inner - shape of dark basal tongue.
Janis
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Some Crocus from today
chocolate and gold - Janis Ruksans
chrysanthus EP Bowles - inside and out
chrysanthus - bug spray comes out tomorrow
reticulatus Early Gold
reticulata Ego - supplied as Nida - I think
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Mark,
excellent sharp photos from pretty nice cultivars 8)
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Thanks Armin.
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Spectacular close-ups Mark, not only crystal clear but artistically composed, particularly C. chysanthus4.jpg. Very happy looking collection of fine Crocus.
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Wow! Instant sunshine, Mark. Great photos.
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and all taken in the house
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Some Crocus from today
chocolate and gold - Janis Ruksans
chrysanthus EP Bowles - inside and out
chrysanthus - bug spray comes out tomorrow
reticulatus Early Gold
reticulata Ego - supplied as Nida - I think
Mark,
Those C. reticulatus x angustifolius hybrids I named as Crocus x leonidii in honor to Leonid Bondarenko who selected those from my seedlings, multiplied, named and started to distribute.
Janis
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Mark , as always your photos are superb !
Armin , sad news that chrys. 'E.A.Bowles 'has been lost to cultivation .I know that 'Myddelton House' ( where Bowles lived and gardened till his death in 1954 )is also looking for it .
On a brighter note chrys. "Nanette' is still growing in my garden from corms imported from Broadleigh Gardens in 1968 .
Also , I only have one or two corms left from corms sent to me in 1961 by the late Wilhelm Schacht -Munich Bot. Garden .
Otto.
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Armin , sorry I omitted the name of the Crocus that Wilhelm Schacht sent me in 1961:
Cr. vernus 'Maximillian' .
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'BLUE PEARL' - In my garden started blooming in average 9th of April, blooms in average 23 days, making 3-6 flowers per bulb at 6-7,5 cm height. Segments rounded, outer 33 x 20 mm, inner 30 x 22 mm. Outers from outside very light bluish, at tip light blue (RHS CC 91C), at base grayish tongue surrounded by light violet blue (88C,D) speckled zone, inside almost white at top slightly bluish. Inner segments almost white only at tip from both sides very light bluish (91D) shaded, at outside base grayish green tongue. Flower tube lilac, throat light yellow (14C-B). Stamens 18 mm long, filaments 7 mm long, very light yellow; anthers 13 mm long yellow (15B). Stigma bright dark orange (32-A) at same height as stamens. Leaves 8, 2 mm wide and up to 23 cm long. Vegetative increasing medium good - in average 2,9, maximum observed - 4. Fertile. Sometimes the same is distributed under name 'Blue Bonnet'. As 'Blue Pearl' sometimes is distributed C. biflorus weldenii 'Fairy' from which easy separable by shape of tongue on outer segments outside base (see description of 'Fairy').
Janis
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Janis, 'Blue Pearl' is on of my favourite crocuses and I planted some here in the Alps last year...armed with your fantastic detailed description I will enjoy them all the more when they hopefully flower for the first time this Spring; so thank you for giving me double the pleasure of new knowledge :)
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Thanks Janis, I will write new labels today
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Great Crocus Mark !
Lovely to see them on this dull day !
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Great Crocus Mark !
Lovely to see them on this dull day !
Definitely a burst of sunshine on a cold dull day here - thanks for your stunning photos Mark - gold and chocolate - what more could ease ones hearts desire ;D
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Hallo Otto,
it is great to read you still have Nanette and Maximillian in cultivation.
I'm a bit curious. :) Do you have pictures?
Would you kindly show us ?
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A few here fresh from an hour on the kitchen window sill.
Very nice David, is the wife out again today? ;D ;D ;D
She was Michael ;D
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Janis, re: virus in my Crocus chrysanthus 'Blue Pearl', would you mind having a look at the picture below (and not a good one I admit) from 2009 flowering. Do you see virus there too please?
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Janis, re: virus in my Crocus chrysanthus 'Blue Pearl', would you mind having a look at the picture below (and not a good one I admit) from 2009 flowering. Do you see virus there too please?
Not very good picture but on back flower - yes, there are white stripes on blue phone.
Janis
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Janis, many thanks, to the bin they will go. :(
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Any tips to get Crocus chrysanthus Goldmine to do what it is supposed to do?
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Any tips to get Crocus chrysanthus Goldmine to do what it is supposed to do?
Mark, You must grow it to top size corms. Usually in first year after buying quite rarely are double flowers. There are two tips 1) Size of corm must be large and 2) corm must be planted early. Here I had greatest percentage of doubles if left medium sized bulbs for second year without replanting (on open field). I have no experience with this one in pots. Here crocuses must be replanted in first half of August.
Janis
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A couple of pictures of parts of my benches today. It was very sunny and the greenhouse got nice and warm and brought a lot of crocus out.
Crocus abantensis
Crocus baytopiorum the first time I have flowered it and it has opened without falling over
Crocus biflorus ssp issauricus
Crocus biflorus ssp alexandri
Crocus chrysanthus two clones
Crocus cyprius
Crocus sieberi
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three more in flower today
Crocus danfordiae two forms
Crocus vernus ssp vernus
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I love to see plunges with very neat pots.
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A very nice selection Tony. C. cyprius is especially attractive. I disposed of C. baytopiorum some years ago - my plants always flowered horizontally.
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That's a lovely danfordiae
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A very nice selection Tony. C. cyprius is especially attractive. I disposed of C. baytopiorum some years ago - my plants always flowered horizontally.
Gerry at least you say they flowered,this is the first time I have had one open even horizontally
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Marvelous croci Tony!
If I may applaud some then it is C. cyprius and C. biflorus ssp. alexandri. 8)
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Lots of sunshine in Chorley? Hang out the flags! You must have needed a sit down with the shock of it. We seem to be getting your weather, crocus mostly still waiting for spring. I'd pick out the Archibald C abantensis as the prize specimens but they are all quite 'delicious'.
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Every one a beauty Tony. What's that brown one in the centre foreground of pic crocus 2?
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Here are four Crocus biflorus ssp pulchricolor x Crocus chrysanthus hybrids. All are natural crosses and so I can claim no credit. I think the last is particularly nice and is the one Ashley mentions in his query.
Yes the sun has actually been out the last couple of days although there have been snow showers. it only takes a slight rise in temperature to open the crocuses.
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The bronze plants is a beauty. I have Crocus biflorus ssp pulchricolor and Crocus chrysanthus so maybe I'll do some cross pollinating tomorrow
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Here are four Crocus biflorus ssp pulchricolor x Crocus chrysanthus hybrids. All are natural crosses and so I can claim no credit. I think the last is particularly nice and is the one Ashley mentions in his query.
Yes the sun has actually been out the last couple of days although there have been snow showers. it only takes a slight rise in temerature to open the crocuses.
oooh, I like these beauties (and Tony, all the previous ones you posted), particularly the yellow-purplish-brown one. I hope to remain unemployed through spring 2010, to for once and for all, actually see my crocus when they're open during the day. Any photos I have posted here so far, are taken on weekends when it has managed not to rain (or snow). And, I shall dabble with pollen this year.
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My first tomm album is out and looking strange. Normally the inner petals are covered with spots but on this one they are confines to one only.
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Tony, actually I have seen several samples like that in Uludağ last year but I could not imagined that they will be so beatiful. I have interested mostly more pale orange hybrids :(
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Tony, you have a wonderful display of Crocuses in flower on your bench - all so beautiful in their own way but I love Crocus biflorus ssp alexandri and wondered if you had a photo of it unopened as well?
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Some gorgeous looking Crocus' Tony !! A lot of favourites, but the brownish/orangey hybrid is a real stunner !!!
Thanks for showing !
(Grey again here - no Crocus even thinking of opening... ::) )
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Those hybrids are lovely Tony.
Below is one I have raised from home produced seed ex Crocus biflorus pulchricolor, clearly x chrysanthus.
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I'm very drawn to brown and orange Crocus. It could be a solution to white fever - chocolate orange fever ::)
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Mark, your new Avatar would scare the horses! ;D
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I love Crocus biflorus ssp alexandri and wondered if you had a photo of it unopened as well?
Here's one to be going on wwith, Robin...
http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/300103/log.html
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Thanks Maggi, it's really beautiful....one for the future I hope :)
Have just sown some Crocus kotschyanus seeds sent from Austria and at the moment they are at 5 degrees inside the front door area together with other wild seed - I was wondering whether to put them outside under the eaves with a domed cover - as yet I have no cold frame but I'm trying to think how I could construct something to stop the pots freezing - maybe polystyrene?
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Tony, you have a wonderful display of Crocuses in flower on your bench - all so beautiful in their own way but I love Crocus biflorus ssp alexandri and wondered if you had a photo of it unopened as well?
Sorry to say no I have not got one but Maggi has put a link to a super example.If I use the phrase 'here today,gone tomorrow' thats applicable.A slug ate the flower last night after I had photgraphed it in the afternoon, but some more to come.
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Oh, no! Tony, what a pain.... you'd think, wouldn't you, that the cold winter would have killed off the bulk of the chomping pests.... not good to hear that is not the case and that your lovely flower has fallen victim. :'(
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Mark, your new Avatar would scare the horses! ;D
And I should know :D
I am reminded of a young and sinister looking bit of Fry and Lawrie if you get my drift.
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Mark, your new Avatar would scare the horses! ;D
And I should know :D
I am reminded of a young and sinister looking bit of Fry and Lawrie if you get my drift.
As an American, not only do I learn about plants from a more global aspect here on SRGC, but culturally too... I had to google the expression "scare the horses" and "Fry and Laurie". I became a fan of Hugh Laurie with the Blackadder series (one of my favs, a brilliant comedy). :)
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Sunshine today =
Crocus bayyopiorum . (Thanks Ann.)
Crocus chrysanthus zenith
Crocus corsicus
Crocus fleischeri Gulek Pass
Crocus gargaricus subsp gargaricus
Crocus sieberi Ronald Ginns
Crocus sieberi Ronald Ginns 2
Crocus sieberi subsp sieberi Cretan Snow
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A few more.
Crocus sieberi subsp sublimis f.Tricolor
Crocus sieberi subsp sublimis f.Tricolor 2
Crocus tommasinianus CEH534
Crocus tommasinianus pictus
Crocus versicolour
Crocus versicolour picturatus
Crocus vitellinus
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Michael,
you have a great collection. Especial like the shots of C. versicolor, Ronald Ginns and Tricolor.
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Thanks Armin,it was the first day that we have had enough sun to open the flowers,a lot of them were falling over without opening because of bad light and no sunshine.
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Michael,
that's a pity. Buds of C. ancyrensis and C. imperati did the same in my meadow. Warm December forced early growth then followed by harsh frosts and snowfalls in January, then thaw period with rainfall last week and since yesterday again snowfalls with -9°C frost just now. >:(
The good thing is usually more then one flower emerge from a corm. Warm weather with sunshine will come sooner or later again and will please our eyes. :D
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Armin, it was -5C here last night and the same tonight, but we got wall to wall sunshine all day today and promised the same for tomorrow, so I suppose I can live with that. At least the flowers open by lunchtime.
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Michael lovely pictures nice to see of some fine plants. Super baytopiorum
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versicolor has a lovely shape
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Crocus tomm. Eric Smith - Thanks to Thomas
x leonidii Ego. Sorry for showing some again I'm blown away by the colour combination
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Crocus tomm. Eric Smith - Thanks to Thomas
x leonidii Ego. Sorry for showing some again I'm blown away by the colour combination
Wow, I can fully envision jumping into that C. x leonidii Ego... fantastic. :o Same with Michael's full suite of delicious Crocus.
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Michael, you have so many 'to die for' crocus but Crocus bayyopiorum is just heavenly - so that's where I'm heading :)
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x leonidii Ego. Sorry for showing some again I'm blown away by the colour combination
Mark, your photos are masterpieces in themselves and your feeling for this crocus, in particular, shines through :)
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Great Irish Crocus !!! :D :D
A lovely series Michael ! A lot ot stunners there !
Is Sieberi "Cretan snow" feathered on the outside ??
Mark,
Fortunately that C. x leonidii distracts the attention from your avatar ;D ;D It's a stunner (the Crocus I mean... ;D )
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Is Sieberi "Cretan snow" feathered on the outside ??
Yes Luc, there is a little bit of blue feathering on the outside of the petals. I got that one from Janis.
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Thanks Michael, I was considering to order one this year... :D
Looks great !
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Yesterday I asked my wife being in city library to check aren't foundable on internet a copy of Georges Maw marvellous A Monograph of the Genus Crocus (1886). Was very surprised when she called me back informing that reprint of book is buyable on internet for very moderate price - inclusive postage for only ~45,- Euro. It is buyable on Internet book-shop Amizante.lv, link
http://www.amizante.lv/esin/24/1/1153048531.html
Apr. year ago I looked price of original edition. There were 2 copies available at price ~ 8000,- USD. Quite a great difference.
So I immediately ordered reprint and hope to receive it during 2 weeks (although I made photocopy in 1980 from the single copy in previous USSR, but photographs of that time is not easy to use more).
I think that this book could be useful for every crocus-lover.
Janis
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A couple more opened today.
Crocus heuffefialus Carpathian Wonder.
Crocus x tommasinianus x vernus Yalta
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A couple more opened today.
Crocus heuffefialus Carpathian Wonder.
Crocus x tommasinianus x vernus Yalta
Excellent pictures of my selections. Thank you, Michael!
Janis
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There seems to be no stopping you Michael ! :D :D
My newly acquired "Carpathian Wonder" is still a couple of weeks away from flowering - but it's bud is showing, so I'm very hopefull !! :D
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Mine are in Crocus heaven :'(
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Mine are in Crocus heaven :'(
Why Mark? It is easy.
Janis
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Yesterday I asked my wife being in city library to check aren't foundable on internet a copy of Georges Maw marvellous A Monograph of the Genus Crocus (1886). Was very surprised when she called me back informing that reprint of book is buyable on internet for very moderate price - inclusive postage for only ~45,- Euro. It is buyable on Internet book-shop Amizante.lv, link
http://www.amizante.lv/esin/24/1/1153048531.html
Apr. year ago I looked price of original edition. There were 2 copies available at price ~ 8000,- USD. Quite a great difference.
So I immediately ordered reprint and hope to receive it during 2 weeks (although I made photocopy in 1980 from the single copy in previous USSR, but photographs of that time is not easy to use more).
I think that this book could be useful for every crocus-lover.
Janis
Janis , I looked at the details of the reprint of Maw's 'A monograph of the Genus Crocus unfortunately there are no illustrations , I found some of the old drawings and vignettes quite charming . There is a copy of the original in our State Library here in Melbourne , which I have consulted on several occasions - one has to make an appointment , put white gloves on and get locked in a special room ! So I wait till you receive your reprint and your verdict .
Otto.
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When I repotted my Carpathian Wonder in August they were dead. I blame our very wet summer. All Crocus stayed outside in their pots.
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To everyone who has had a Crocus baytopiorum from me: In answer to a request for the source of the original seeds, I checked back in my records and found that it was AGS seed 'collected by Eric Pasche P 82104 Prov Denizli T. 1500m', sown in 1990. I hope this is useful. :)
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A couple from today:-
Crocus dalmaticus Petrovac Strain
Crocus chrysanthus 'Ard Schenk', a good two weeks in front of the clump I have in the garden. Sorry the first pic of this is out of focus.
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dalmaticus is one of my favourites out in the garden flowering for a couple of weeks.
tomm. Roseus now open in the garden
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David that is a lovely chrysanthus
Some more of mine out today
Crocus ancyrensis
Crocus antalyensis
Crocus etruscus
Crocus pestalozzae
Crocus gargaricus both ssp
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David, those are very nice - the first one looks very tiny compared to the size of the top dressing, is it?
Tony, the gargaricus are a wonderful colour.
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To everyone who has had a Crocus baytopiorum from me: In answer to a request for the source of the original seeds, I checked back in my records and found that it was AGS seed 'collected by Eric Pasche P 82104 Prov Denizli T. 1500m', sown in 1990. I hope this is useful. :)
Thank you Anne is good to get the pedigree and they are looking very nice at present 8)
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Thanks all.
Anne, it is very small and I didn't expect it to flower this year indeed I thought it might go to the Crocus garden in the sky. My top dressing is my usual stuff.
Tony, lovely selection, the C. pestalozzae is particularly nice, I'm a sucker for white flowers.
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I brought a pot of Crocus tommasinianus roseus into the house to photograph, and the flower opened within 15 minutes.
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Similarly C. sieberi Ronald Ginns. The single corm of C.
sieberi nubigena- Crocus biflorus nubigena I showed earlier now has 8 flowers open!
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What a very brave C. biflorus nubigena Anne !! :o... oh... and it's a real beauty too ! :D
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Similarly C. sieberi Ronald Ginns. The single corm of C. sieberi nubigena I showed earlier now has 8 flowers open!
Crocus biflorus nubigena real showwinner! Nice tommy 'Roseus", too
Janis
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Anne - C. biflorus nubigena is exceptionally handsome. C. tommasinianus is nice too - lovely rich colour.
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Anne,
you have taken beautiful pictures! I like the photos of the "Roseus".
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David that is a lovely chrysanthus
Some more of mine out today
Crocus ancyrensis
Crocus antalyensis
Crocus etruscus
Crocus pestalozzae
Crocus gargaricus both ssp
Tony,
I like the wild character of the C. etruscus with the bicolored tepals and the fine stripes outside. Much different to the "Zwanenburg" clone. Beautiful.
Have you grown it from seed?
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A couple from today:-
Crocus dalmaticus Petrovac Strain
Crocus chrysanthus 'Ard Schenk', a good two weeks in front of the clump I have in the garden. Sorry the first pic of this is out of focus.
David,
the C. dalmaticus "Petrovac" is very beautiful. You must try to pollinate it to get seed of it.
Mine in the meadow have produced only a few corms of seed. I'm not sure they are viable. Will see in spring.
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David that is a lovely chrysanthus
Some more of mine out today
Crocus ancyrensis
Crocus antalyensis
Crocus etruscus
Crocus pestalozzae
Crocus gargaricus both ssp
Tony,
I like the wild character of the C. etruscus with the bicolored tepals and the fine stripes outside. Much different to the "Zwanenburg" clone. Beautiful.
Have you grown it from seed?
Armin several years ago we had a holiday north of Rome and visited Mt Amiata. The top was covered in crocuses in seed and I collected some and grew them from those.
There was also vernus growing there as well which I also have.
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Tony,
does C. etruscus set regular seed ? I would be interested. It is a lovely form.
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I'm Very happy this is raised from seed from a forumist sown 4 years ago C sieberi sieberi- thanks Tong G. I suppose I could have brought it into the warm to open up the flowers but there are lots of roots coming from the bottom of the pot so I have done enough damage already
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Tony,
does C. etruscus set regular seed ? I would be interested. It is a lovely form.
I will see if I can get some to set,it is not usually a problem.
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I'm Very happy this is raised from seed from a forumist sown 4 years ago C sieberi sieberi- thanks Tong G. I suppose I could have brought it into the warm to open up the flowers but there are lots of roots coming from the bottom of the pot so I have done enough damage already
Ian - Good news that you have done so well with the seed. Bad news - I have one rogue pot that was labelled C sieberi ssp sieberi (raised from someone elses seed) which has been re-lebelled as C sieberi ssp atticus or sublimis. Verrrrry sorry but you have seed from that accession so your plant is not ssp sieberi. Remind me by PM or email in summer and I will try and rectify the situation. :-[
The plant you have will do OK in the garden ... alongside the other C sieberi that you recently showed us.
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I'm Very happy this is raised from seed from a forumist sown 4 years ago C sieberi sieberi- thanks Tong G. I suppose I could have brought it into the warm to open up the flowers but there are lots of roots coming from the bottom of the pot so I have done enough damage already
Ian - Good news that you have done so well with the seed. Bad news - I have one rogue pot that was labelled C sieberi ssp sieberi (raised from someone elses seed) which has been re-lebelled as C sieberi ssp atticus or sublimis. Verrrrry sorry but you have seed from that accession so your plant is not ssp sieberi. Remind me by PM or email in summer and I will try and rectify the situation. :-[
The plant you have will do OK in the garden ... alongside the other C sieberi that you recently showed us.
Will do Tony and will change the label
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Thanks to all for gently correcting my error - my crocus was indeed biflorus nubigena and not sieberi !
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Tony,
does C. etruscus set regular seed ? I would be interested. It is a lovely form.
I will see if I can get some to set,it is not usually a problem.
Tony, many thanks in advance. :D
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The sun opened up this one for me on Saturday :
Crocus sieberi atticus Amfiklia - Dominique might recognize it... ;D Thanks Dom !
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Lovely form, Luc.
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Very nice indeed Luc.
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My crocuses are slow this year. Some flowering now.
Crocus gargaricus in a brief blink of sunshine today.
Crocus vernus grown from seed many years ago.
The first flower on a seedling from Crocus 'Cream Beauty' sown in June 2007 - not very big and not 'different' but quite attractive.
There is a bud on a seedling from sieberi 'Hubert Edelsten', sown at the same time, which could be more interesting.
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C. biflorus alexandri still just one bulb after several years unfortunately
C. etruscus Rosalind
C. gargaricus herbertii
C. imperati De Jager
C. vitellinus
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Ashley
very nice,the biflorus alexandri is a very rich colour and the etruscus is equally nice.
Luc that is a lovely sieberi.
It has turned dull and wet here so mine are now elongating and falling over without opening.
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C. biflorus alexandri still just one bulb after several years unfortunately
C. etruscus Rosalind
C. gargaricus herbertii
C. imperati De Jager
C. vitellinus
Crocus gargaricus herbertii - now its is Crocus herbertii - both (gargaricus and herbertii) has very different corm tunics
Janis
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Wonderful C. biflorus alexandri Ashley, pitty it's slow to increase.
I love these contrasting colours !
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C. biflorus alexandri still just one bulb after several years unfortunately
C. etruscus Rosalind
C. gargaricus herbertii
C. imperati De Jager
C. vitellinus
Crocus gargaricus herbertii - now its is Crocus herbertii - both (gargaricus and herbertii) has very different corm tunics
Janis
Janis do you mean two subspecieses of C. gargaricus become to one on the name C. herbertii ?
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Crocus gargaricus herbertii - now its is Crocus herbertii - both (gargaricus and herbertii) has very different corm tunics
Thanks Janis, although the Kew Monocot checklist doesn't (yet?) elevate herbertii (http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do;jsessionid=394C2B34DE435E86CE51B12D218CD3F2?accepted_id=327265&repSynonym_id=-9998&name_id=327265&status=true) to species level :-\
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Ashley, Kew has to change herbertii to species level soon. The latest phylogenetic research showed
gargaricus and herbertii as different species
Your Crocus biflorus ssp alexandrii looks like the old cultivar 'Eyecatcher'
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Thanks Thomas. It seems that in cases like this the Kew database can be slow to catch up, but it also lumps some taxa that most people consider clearly different.
Yes I agree that it does look like 'Eyecatcher'. Is this a chrysanthus cultivar or a chrysanthus/biflorus hybrid?
I must check the origins of my plant.
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'Eyecatcher' was sold as chrysanthus cultivar, but to my eyes it is clearly biflorus ssp alexandrii.
Perhaps it was a seedling in a mixed bed, discovered by Willem van Eeden.
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Thomas, can you give a name to this species ?? ;)
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Crocus gargaricus herbertii - now its is Crocus herbertii - both (gargaricus and herbertii) has very different corm tunics
Thanks Janis, although the Kew Monocot checklist doesn't (yet?) elevate herbertii (http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do;jsessionid=394C2B34DE435E86CE51B12D218CD3F2?accepted_id=327265&repSynonym_id=-9998&name_id=327265&status=true) to species level :-\
It is quite recent change confirmed by phylogenetic researches. The level change was published may be in The Plantsman, but at present I can't check this.
Earlier it was supposed that difference is only in stoloniferous habit of herbertii, but corms are very different, too. By flower only really indistiguishable, herbertii only a little smaller.
C. herbertii - Corm tunics fibrous reticulated only at apex, corms small, stoloniferous
C. gargaricus - Corm tunics coarsely reticulated throughout, corms larger, without stolones
Janis
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Thanks Thomas. It seems that in cases like this the Kew database can be slow to catch up, but it also lumps some taxa that most people consider clearly different.
Yes I agree that it does look like 'Eyecatcher'. Is this a chrysanthus cultivar or a chrysanthus/biflorus hybrid?
I must check the origins of my plant.
I found that plant offered as var. alexandrii (in eighties by Van Tubergen) was very similar to cv. offered as C. chrysanthus ‘Ladykiller’ and the only difference between them was the blackish anther lobes and the light blue “tongue” on the base of the outer segments in ‘Ladykiller’. I gave preference to ‘Ladykiller’ as it turned out to be a much better grower and quicker increaser (the annual vegetative increasing rate in corm numbers in subsp. alexandrii on average was 2.0 while in ‘Ladykiller’---3.3). At present I have no samples of both in my collection.
Janis
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Nice versicolor, Fred - wish mine would also flower now. In December I found the tipps of some leaves on mine, but
since that time they are covered with snow :-\
Janis, Ashley's plant is much darker than 'Ladykiller' which has a bluer coloring.
Please compare my photos of 'Eyecatcher' and 'Ladykiller' (which is mostly virused
if you buy plants from trade now) with Ashley's photo reposted below.
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Eye Catcher definitely cathes the eye :o
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Nice comparison series Thomas 8)
Obviously light conditions are different but the picture of my plant is fairly accurate. It is extremely dark & seems to have less yellow at the neck than 'Eyecatcher'.
Would another pic help?
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Nice versicolor, Fred - wish mine would also flower now. In December I found the tipps of some leaves on mine, but
since that time they are covered with snow :-\
Janis, Ashley's plant is much darker than 'Ladykiller' which has a bluer coloring.
Please compare my photos of 'Eyecatcher' and 'Ladykiller' (which is mostly virused
if you buy plants from trade now) with Ashley's photo reposted below.
Thomas,
Ladykiller - right two plants (front and back) heavy virus infected, Ashleys plant seem that is virused, too.
Ladykiller looks correctly named, Eycatcher a little doubtfull, but could be accepted.
Janis
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Janis, my 'Eyecatcher' is from a famous Dutchman, who received it originally from Willem van Eeden after registrating it in 1971.
Where do you see a virus in Ashley's plant and in my 'Ladykiller' in the foreground ???
But Ashley pointed out something that I havn't noticed: The yellow throat! Crocus biflorus alexandrii doesn't have any yellow,
so Willem's cultivar seems to be a hybrid with another, yellow throated, biflorus form. In the following photo it can be seen well.
Perhaps, Ashley, you could post a photo of your plant from the inside?
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I 've been having a good look at the photos.... Thomas, I think Janis means these flowers from the right hand side of the Ladykiller photo, they do both look a bit odd....
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But I cannot see any problem with Ashley's flower.... I think it seems perfectly healthy.... and I love it!
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I 've been having a good look at the photos.... Thomas, I think Janis means these flowers from the right hand side of the Ladykiller photo, they do both look a bit odd....
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But I cannot see any problem with Ashley's flower.... I think it seems perfectly healthy.... and I love it!
Yes, Maggi, just those.
In Ashleys plant see dark stripe in middle plus uneven edge of purple zone
Janis
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Here is Ashley's flower... the image brightened a little to show the colour variation which is indeed visible ......Janis' eyes are VERY sharp!
But is it virus ? I do hope not!
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Here is Ahshley's flower... the image brightened a little to show the colour variation which is indeed visible ......Janis' eyes are VERY sharp!
But is it virus ? I do hope not!
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Pity, but it is. Your brightening confirmed this. In healthy plant feathered edge is very regular and straight. Look on deeper and wider white break at edge of dark zone near top (something lower). It is too wide and too deep, at its edge (top on picture) is small dark blotch. Median dark stripe don't narrow at top.
Janis
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Oh dear! What a pity, indeed. :'(
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The first surprise 2010
Only one flower in my garden Crocus biflorus ssp. pulchricolor in a frame protected with Plexiglas. The first Crocus every year C. abantensis and C. baytopiorum are still waiting.
The rest of the Garden is snow snow snow.
K-D
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Some more of mine in flower today
Crocus angustifolius
Crocus graveolens
Crocus veluchensis
Crocus biflorus ssp pulchricolor two forms
Crocus biflorus ssp pulchricolor crossed with Crocus chrysanthus two forms
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Here is Ahshley's flower... the image brightened a little to show the colour variation which is indeed visible ......Janis' eyes are VERY sharp!
But is it virus ? I do hope not!
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Pity, but it is. Your brightening confirmed this. In healthy plant feathered edge is very regular and straight. Look on deeper and wider white break at edge of dark zone near top (something lower). It is too wide and too deep, at its edge (top on picture) is small dark blotch. Median dark stripe don't narrow at top.
Janis
I'm certainly no expert on virus in crocus & I'm happy to acknowledge that Janis has more experience with crocus than I do. Nevertheless, the virus infection on Ashley's plant is not self-evident (Maggi seemed doubtful) & before accepting Janis' diagnosis as definite I would like to see a comparison between Ashley's plant & a virus-free plant. Normal scientific practice would seem to require this.
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Janis,
according to your last predication I have to assume Thomas "Eyecatcher" are virused too? ???
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Ashley, hope you don't mind. I resized for a closer look.
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Tony,
great collection of croci. 8) Like them all.
The dark form of C. pulchricolor (will be renamed to own specis I think) are beautiful.
And - you had obvious some sunshine! ;D
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Janis,
according to your last predication I have to assume Thomas "Eyecatcher" are virused too? ???
My eyes don't show symptoms on EYECATCHER of Thomas.
Janis
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I am not bad in identifying virused plants as well and have very serious attitude to this matters.
No doubt, that Thomas' 2 plants, which Maggi cut out in a separate picture to show details, are certainly infected with rattle virus. But I don't see any background for virus infection in Ahshleys sample. It looks quite normal and healthy (the shape of a white egde can vary from plants to plant and it is not necessary that all samples within the variety were precisely uniform in appearance).
Janis' comments about virus on this plant sounds rather intriguing for me. So would be pleased to see a comparison picture of healthy and infected one, if possible, to make sure about the infection.
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Beautiful series Tony !
Lovely feathered angustifolius !!
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Thanks everyone for this very useful discussion. I'll take some more photos at the weekend to show the throat colour.
Because of the debate about infection I will separate it & see what happens next year. Unfortunately last year I grew this one beside another from a 'reputable commercial source' ;) that proved heavily infected :'( >:(
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I now have two flowers in my pot of Crocus michelsonii. The second flower has a very blue throat - not unlike mathewii.
Apologies for the poor quality of the last 2 photos
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Not quite in a pot- but in a holding bed as it is new to us:
Crocus sieberi atticus 'Stunner'
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Gorgeous C. michelsonii Art !! beautiful !
Are'nt all sieberi lovely Simon ??
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I agree, Luc- they are all stunners!
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The first surprise 2010
Only one flower in my garden Crocus biflorus ssp. pulchricolor in a frame protected with Plexiglas. The first Crocus every year C. abantensis and C. baytopiorum are still waiting.
The rest of the Garden is snow snow snow.
K-D
Welcome to the SRGC forum, Klaus-Dieter.
Seems like Southern Germany has the better climate for crocus - I'm still waiting for mine.
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Janis,
according to your last predication I have to assume Thomas "Eyecatcher" are virused too? ???
My eyes don't show symptoms on EYECATCHER of Thomas.
Janis
Janis, thanks for confirmation.
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a view through a louvre
albino Crocus in a trough
? dalmaticus
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Jings, that all looks so neat and tidy..... I'm impressed.... ours don't look like that!
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Thanks. I'll show the other two plunges tomorrow - no brownie points for them
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Very nice Mark a lovely display
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Lovely Mark - mine are much less advanced.
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Thanks Tony and Tony. A few are not flowering this year
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Tony G the advantage for mine at this time of year is the sun has moved to the back of the house for a couple of hours in the morning and hits them again around 2pm until the sun goes down
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Thanks Thomas,
I don´t think so. It´s a early surprise in this “snow spring”, therefore I have posted it.
K-D
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What a great display Mark :o
So you have sunlight morning & evening but shade in the middle of the day? Presumably this keeps temperatures lower so prolongs flowering 8)
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Crocus chrysanthus Zenith
Crocus abantensis. In spit of my best efforts I could not get a good pic of this one today.
crocus vernus subsp albiflorus, form B ?
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Yes it does Ashley
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Michael,
nice photos. C. chrysanthus "Zenith" is a nice coloured cultivar breed by P.B. van Eden.
I got it last year and I'm excited how it does in my garden.
What size is your C. vernus ssp. albiflorus? Is it seed raised?
I have seen this nice color combination in the wild on C. vernus ssp. albiflorus but the style seems to be longer then the anthers in the picture and the nominat form in the wild (Swiss) has smaller pedals...
Both would indicate a hybrid with C. vernus...
Dutch selections (Tubergen):
"Form B" is to my knowledge "white flowers with blue throat/stem" and "Form A" "pure white".
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What size is your C. vernus ssp. albiflorus? Is it seed raised?
Armin, I got it from Janis so he must have raise it from seed.
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Michael,
if it is half the size of a dutch vernus hybrid and if the style is shorter then anthers it is surely C. vernus ssp. albiflorus. ;) Nice anyway :D
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Armin, I have just checked my file and I see that Janis told me last year that it was a blue form,and that I should change the label,obviously I never did.
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such a good day today and I took no photos :( way too busy tidying
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a couple of crocus reticulatus in flower today
the first Crocus reticulatus ssp reticulatus with yellow anthers
second Crocus reticulatus ssp hittiticus which has black anthers and is much less common. I have no doubt this will be named as a 'new species' before long.
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second Crocus reticulatus ssp hittiticus which has black anthers and is much less common. I have no doubt this will be named as a 'new species' before long.
You old cynic you
I'm sure I've already seen it named as Crocus hittiticus
Us lumpers must stick together ..... ;)
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You old cynic you
I'm sure I've already seen it named as Crocus hittiticus
Us lumpers must stick together ..... ;)
Maybe you will want to weigh in on splitters vs. lumpers here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5041.0
But then again, them is dangerous waters? I stick by my belief that the proposed Scilla revision is absurd. :-X
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second Crocus reticulatus ssp hittiticus which has black anthers and is much less common. I have no doubt this will be named as a 'new species' before long.
You old cynic you
I'm sure I've already seen it named as Crocus hittiticus
Us lumpers must stick together ..... ;)
After long break again checked last entries on Forum. Outside horrible snowstorm and roads are closed so I can't reach nursery. Too busy all the time revising my Crocus book manuscript after editing at Timber Press.
At present only short remark about Crocus reticulatus.
In my book I'm regarding subsp. hitticus at species level as Crocus hittiticus as it was described initially by Baytop & Mathew . As both subsp. are quite distant on phylogenetic tree, I suppose that better to space them as different species.
Janis
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That hittiticus is spectacular Tony 8)
Crocus biflorus alexandrii doesn't have any yellow, so Willem's cultivar seems to be a hybrid with another, yellow throated, biflorus form. In the following photo it can be seen well.
Perhaps, Ashley, you could post a photo of your plant from the inside?
Further to the biflorus ssp 'alexandri' I posted a few days ago (Page 13, reply #191) here's a view inside. According to Mathew this should have 'throat with no yellow coloration' so is more likely to be a hybrid or cultivar as suggested by Thomas & Janis. Which one I don't know.
By coincidence the lovely potful of biflorus alexandri Ian shows in this week's Bulblog includes one with a yellow throat (the plant on the far left). Could this fall within the normal range of variation or is it a stray?
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Ashley
thank you for the comment it is a lovely thing although very small.
As to Crocus biflorus alexandri I looked at mine,I have several, and none had a yellow throat. Mathew states it does not have a yellow throat in 'The Crocus'
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Out today in the warm sunshine - C. tommasinianus albus (with curious tiny marks on the petals), and C. t. Bobbo, a favourite of mine.
Also, the scent from C fleischeri was beautiful.
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Some days ago I opened for some minutes my covering of Crocus pots in greenhouse to check how they look. View was quite good only in some pots was some Penicillium on flowers which were not picked off at covering time, but they all were easy cleanable. All pots were frosen up to bottom and even undersoil on raised beds were frosen. To check overwintering I brought inside home and put on windowsill of my office a pair of pots - C. serotinus salzmannii (had yellow leaf tips but this pot was without any covering, left out of bed on table and so exposed to all frosts) and Crocus speciosus x pulchellus 'Big Boy' (heavy penicillium on shoots). I took of infected cataphylls on 'Big Boy' and now it started nice development of leaves and seem that no damage had. C. serotinus seem to be frost killed, but few shoots seem that will come up. Of course they can die later but it will not be great loss, as the pot was took out of bed as suspected for virus infection. All the night was heavy snowstorm and it was difficult to open outer doors for great snow heap in front of entry. For next weekend are offered first zero or even minor plus degrees for the first time since mid-December, may be finally spring will come and will be possible to show you some fresh pictures. At present it is even difficult to reach greenhouse entry - snow level is up to crotch and I'm driving by tractor to forest side and my orchard to bring there hay and some boxes with apples for does (roe dears), regardless of eaten bulb leaves (mostly Muscari) in late autumn.
Janis
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First flower on a seedling from 'Hubert Edelsten' sown in June 2007
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Roma,
a lovely one! Congratulations.
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First flower on a seedling from 'Hubert Edelsten' sown in June 2007
Looks like it might have crossed with 'Tricolor'. Very nice. Pic of it open too?
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First flower on a seedling from 'Hubert Edelsten' sown in June 2007
How you got seeds of HUBERT EDELSTEN? It is reported as sterile and personally I never succeed even handpollinating it in different combinations with other sieberi and atticus.
Janis
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Out today and only small but shining quite brightly.
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He looks nice doesn't he Ian !
This is mine, obtained as Crocus aff. sieberi jpc215 (1 and 2)
3) Crocus abantensis
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Luc there is quite a difference in our 2 plants in the colour department. I wonder whether anyone knows whether this a seed strain or a clonal name?
Just noticed that you placed aff. in the name for your plant Luc - silly me ::)
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How you got seeds of HUBERT EDELSTEN? It is reported as sterile and personally I never succeed even handpollinating it in different combinations with other sieberi and atticus.
Janis
First flower on a seedling from 'Hubert Edelsten' sown in June 2007
Looks like it might have crossed with 'Tricolor'. Very nice. Pic of it open too?
]I'm not sure how I got seeds on 'Hubert Edelsten'. My husband keeps bees and I do have a picture of bees on 'Ard Schenk so they would have been busy on the crocuses in 2007 when I got the seed. 'Hubert Edelsten ' and 'Tricolor' are the only two Crocus sieberi I have so 'Tricolor' could be the pollen parent.
Sorry I don't have a pic of it open. It is not very exciting inside. Plain blue with some yellow in the throat. I will try to get a pic if the sun shines again before it withers.
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A few more crocus in flower here as temperatures lift a little.
Crocus biflorus ssp raised from wild col seed
Crocus biflorus pulchricolor x chrysanthus from wild col seed. Note variation, one very close or = to biflorus pulchricolor the other with clear chrysanthus influence (also shown in close up from above)
Crocus x bornmulleri. This is a name for hybrids between chrysanthus and biflorus. I presume in this case that C chrysanthus is the seed parent.
Finally a Crocus gargaricus flowering just 2 yrs and 5 months from sowing. This is the quickes I have had a spring crocus flower from seed.
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Lovely photos of your crocus, Tony, the colours beautiful and my favourite is your newest one, Crocus gargaricus - congratulations on its first flowering :)
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Tony lovely pictures. I think the biflorus hybrids are super.They are very variable and I think when they are from wild seed they could have crossed back and forth several times. There is no reason why they should be a pure first generation hybrid. Probably a new species evolving!
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Luc there is quite a difference in our 2 plants in the colour department. I wonder whether anyone knows whether this a seed strain or a clonal name?
Just noticed that you placed aff. in the name for your plant Luc - silly me ::)
I must say, the flowers are somewhat darker than on my pix Ian, as usual, my camera has problems to catch the right tone of blue.. :-\ They are definitely paler than yours though !!
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After long weeks with many snow, some Crocus today:
Crocus biflorus ssp.???, Goktepe, Turkey, geneticly similar Cr.bifl.ssp tauri
'' cyprius
'' hartmannianus from C-Cyprus, this year in my list
'' korolkowii 'Golden Nugget'
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Finally a Crocus gargaricus flowering just 2 yrs and 5 months from sowing. This is the quickes I have had a spring crocus flower from seed.
With me seeds from cross between C. abantensis and C. ancyrensis sawn in October, 2007 gave mass flowering in March, 2009---17 monthes after sawing. Absolutely incredible, but on label is sawing date. They really bloomed only after one year of vegetation and not individual plant, but all pot was covered with flowers.
Janis
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Hello Udo,
and just to the right - there is a picture with one sky-blue Crocus - it is Crocus michelsonii? Cheers Igor
After long weeks with many snow, some Crocus today:
Crocus biflorus ssp.???, Goktepe, Turkey, geneticly similar Cr.bifl.ssp tauri
'' cyprius
'' hartmannianus from C-Cyprus, this year in my list
'' korolkowii 'Golden Nugget'
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After long weeks with many snow, some Crocus today:
Crocus biflorus ssp.???, Goktepe, Turkey, geneticly similar Cr.bifl.ssp tauri
'' cyprius
'' hartmannianus from C-Cyprus, this year in my list
'' korolkowii 'Golden Nugget'
Udo, beautiful crocus! I like the deep color on korolkowii 'Golden Nugget' very much. Never seen hartmannianus before, a really sweet one isn't it.
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Crocus biflorus pulchricolor x chrysanthus from wild col seed. Note variation, one very close or = to biflorus pulchricolor the other with clear chrysanthus influence (also shown in close up from above)
Crocus x bornmulleri. This is a name for hybrids between chrysanthus and biflorus. I presume in this case that C chrysanthus is the seed parent.
Tony, I'm intrigued by those hybrids, the brownish-purplish-gold tones are very appealing.
Good to know the name x bornmulleri is the catch-all for hybrids between those two species.
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Crocus biflorus pulchricolor x chrysanthus from wild col seed. Note variation, one very close or = to biflorus pulchricolor the other with clear chrysanthus influence (also shown in close up from above)
Crocus x bornmulleri. This is a name for hybrids between chrysanthus and biflorus. I presume in this case that C chrysanthus is the seed parent.
Tony, I'm intrigued by those hybrids, the brownish-purplish-gold tones are very appealing.
Good to know the name x bornmulleri is the catch-all for hybrids between those two species.
Despite having got the plant from an eminient and expert grower, the name may not be valid. Checking BM's book I find that the name C chrysanthus var bornmuelleri is used for the yellow/brown plant/s. However I don't think it can be applied as a catch-all. Sorry :-\
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Tony, I found I had a pic of the inside of the 'Hubert Edelsten seedling taken in the sun on Sunday, but took it into the house today and took another on the windowsill in very dull weather. I think it looks better.
And the view from the window
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Thanks Roma. I still lean to the view that it is a hybrid with C sieberi Tricolor. Like Janis I have never had seed from Hubert but until a few years ago I had not had seed off C sieberi Bowles White either. Then after 15 years of apparent sterility I got seed one year. The first seedling to flower is ... blue, rather like C sieberi atticus which I suspect was the pollen parent. Yours is nice, hope it has the vigour of Tricolor which multiplies much quicker than Hubert Edelsten.
Rain here, dull, milder and damp. Crocus springing up but needing some sunshine. I like your view better than mine, although I guess you've seen enough snow :P :)
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Hello Udo,
and just to the right - there is a picture with one sky-blue Crocus - it is Crocus michelsonii? Cheers Igor
Hello Igor, the blue flower is Crocus carpetanus from C-Spain.
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After long weeks with many snow, some Crocus today:
Crocus biflorus ssp.???, Goktepe, Turkey, geneticly similar Cr.bifl.ssp tauri
'' cyprius
'' hartmannianus from C-Cyprus, this year in my list
'' korolkowii 'Golden Nugget'
Wonderful series to start off your season Dirk !!
I keep being amazed by these black anthered biflorus' : wonderful !
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After long weeks with many snow, some Crocus today:
Crocus biflorus ssp.???, Goktepe, Turkey, geneticly similar Cr.bifl.ssp tauri
'' cyprius
'' hartmannianus from C-Cyprus, this year in my list
'' korolkowii 'Golden Nugget'
There are many places named GOKTEPE in Turkey, which one, in which part of country grew this black anthered biflorus? It isn't taurii of course. I never hear about black anthered taurii.
Janis
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Simon,
Regarding your white anthered seedling from Soganli pass - I consulted with Erich Pasche and he think that this one is Crocus aerius form, nothing else is growing on Soganli matching your picture and white anthered plants sometimes occur between various Crocus species.
Janis
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After long weeks with many snow, some Crocus today:
Crocus biflorus ssp.???, Goktepe, Turkey, geneticly similar Cr.bifl.ssp tauri
'' cyprius
'' hartmannianus from C-Cyprus, this year in my list
'' korolkowii 'Golden Nugget'
There are many places named GOKTEPE in Turkey, which one, in which part of country grew this black anthered biflorus? It isn't taurii of course. I never hear about black anthered taurii.
Janis
Janis, i have this Crocus from Cambridge Bulbs under the name Crocus biflorus ssp.nubigena. I ask Helmut Kerndorff with a picture and location, he write me, this biflorus is geneticly similar Cr.biflorus ssp.tauri. Ok, the flower is more similar Cr.biflorus ssp.caricus. Correct names for ssp. from Cr. biflorus is a great mystery.
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Thank you very much for your help with that Janis.
Janis and Udo, the Crocus biflorus nubigena is listed in the CB catalogue as from Goktepe in Mugla.
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Janis, i have this Crocus from Cambridge Bulbs under the name Crocus biflorus ssp.nubigena. I ask Helmut Kerndorff with a picture and location, he write me, this biflorus is geneticly similar Cr.biflorus ssp.tauri. Ok, the flower is more similar Cr.biflorus ssp.caricus. Correct names for ssp. from Cr. biflorus is a great mystery.
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Yes, I agree with name nubigena, it is correct by overal look of plant and locality. I don't know taurii with such color, caricus has dark filaments and brown blotches in yellow throat, veru different from yours. In my book will be included key for biflorus subspecies (more or les typical forms).
Janis
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Mention of Cambridge Bulbs prompted me to ask if anyone has an up-to-date address for him as for some reason I stopped getting his catalogue some years ago. Also, do you need to send an s.a.e. or cash for the latest catalogue? Thanks.
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Martin I spoke to him last year about a list. He didnt do one.
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Mention of Cambridge Bulbs prompted me to ask if anyone has an up-to-date address for him as for some reason I stopped getting his catalogue some years ago. Also, do you need to send an s.a.e. or cash for the latest catalogue? Thanks.
Yes, Norman are not more editing catalogue.
Janis
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A few Crocuses today.
The first bud on a Crocus pelistericus I bought as a small corm from Westonbirt plants in 2008.
Also two excellent ones orignially from Janis - a C. cvijicii and C. heuffelianus "Carpathian Wonder" about to open.
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A few years ago I got some tomms from the late Kath Dryden that were mixed rather than one cultivar. Can I knock them out now?
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A few years ago I got some tomms from the late Kath Dryden that were mixed rather than one cultivar. Can I knock them out now?
In front is 'Bobbo'.
Janis
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A few years ago I got some tomms from the late Kath Dryden that were mixed rather than one cultivar. Can I knock them out now?
Behind (midle) most likely 'Pictus'
Janis
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2 hours of sunshine ... I almost missed it!
Crocus imperati TCH 17-08 Beautifully striped outside rich lilac inside.
Crocus corsicus ex wild seed for comparison. Paler.
There has been discussion about the trade form of C corsicus having a yellow throat (it shouldn't have!) Here the wild form of C imperati has a very clear band of yellow in the throat while the 'ex wild seed' form of C corsicus has no yellow in the throat until (as here) a little pollen is dislodged. The bract and bracteole of C imperati are distictively larger than those of C corsicus.
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Crocus sieberi forms aplenty here now.
3 distinct one here.
A potful of Crocus sieberi probably ssp atticus. Spot the odd one out, these things happen when you raise them from seed.
First flowering of seed from Crocus sieberi 'Bowles White'. Not a surprise that it is not like the seed parent which only sets seed very rarely. Likely hybrid with ssp atticus or ssp sulimis.
Crocus sieberi sieberi. Many forms in flower now. This pot has the most extreme variation.
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And finally for tonight Crocus cyprius. A quite narrow petalled form but beautiful. Now that I have several clones I am getting more seed. :)
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sieberi extremes - the darkest is very nice
I have been pollinating all my Crocus. I hope to get a good seed set
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And finally for tonight Crocus cyprius. A quite narrow petalled form but beautiful. Now that I have several clones I am getting more seed. :)
Tony, your crocus look quite wonderful opening in the 2 hours sunshine and none more so than this one in the magical end of day light. Congratulations :)
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A few Crocuses today.
The first bud on a Crocus pelistericus I bought as a small corm from Westonbirt plants in 2008.
Can't wait to se the flower Alex 8)
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Here is some minor plus degrees but soil in pots defrosted only halfway. Many crocuses started to show colored buds (michelsonii, korolkowii, chrysanthus, baytopiorum), but next week again will return frost and it is offered for two weeks. Hope it will not be dramatically. Yesterday was promissed even minus 20 C next weekend, but now prognosis lovered only to minus 12. I will be away for folowing two weeks, hope weather will not be hot and not too cold and I will not miss early blooming species.
Janis
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some flowers from a Sunday without sun:
Crocus carpetanus
`` herbertii
`` sieberi ssp.nivalis
`` sieberi ssp.sublimis
`` sieberi ssp.sublimis x gargaricus
`` ex bornmuelleri
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The outline of the crocus flowers are so elegant, it doesn't really matter about the sun, does it? Gives a perfect view of the outer colouring this way.
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some flowers from a Sunday without sun:
Crocus carpetanus
`` herbertii
`` sieberi ssp.nivalis
`` sieberi ssp.sublimis
`` sieberi ssp.sublimis x gargaricus
`` ex bornmuelleri
Dirk - the plant you describe as sieberi ssp.sublimis x gargaricus is surprising since phylogenetic studies suggest these two species are only distantly related. Did you make the cross yourself?
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Something very appealing about pure orange
snowdrops crocus. Brown ones take it up a level
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Something very appealing about pure orange snowdrops crocus. Brown ones take it up a level
Yes indeed. I do like yellow/orange crocus with very dark brown backs to the outers. This thread and Thomas's chrysanthus/biflorus thread have inspired me to get back into crocus in a bigger way.
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Dirk, what size pots do you use?
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Dirk - You have some real treasures there.
johnw
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some flowers from a Sunday without sun:
Crocus carpetanus
`` herbertii
`` sieberi ssp.nivalis
`` sieberi ssp.sublimis
`` sieberi ssp.sublimis x gargaricus
`` ex bornmuelleri
Many thanks for so nice pictutres. Never before saw so dark bornmuellerii. Is it from wild or crossed in your collection? Beautiful is hybrid between C. atticus subsp. sublimuis and C. gargaricus.
Janis
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Dirk, you've grown some real beauties, I particularly like crocus ex bornmuelleri :)
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some flowers from a Sunday without sun:
Crocus carpetanus
`` herbertii
`` sieberi ssp.nivalis
`` sieberi ssp.sublimis
`` sieberi ssp.sublimis x gargaricus
`` ex bornmuelleri
Many thanks for so nice pictutres. Never before saw so dark bornmuellerii. Is it from wild or crossed in your collection? Beautiful is hybrid between C. atticus subsp. sublimuis and C. gargaricus.
Janis
Janis, the seed is from this wild coll. Cr.bornmuelleri.
Mark, my Crocus grow in 2 litre pots or open bed.
Gerry, this cross is handpollinating with a paintbrush.
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2L :o. Do they do better because of the large volume of pot contents
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After long weeks with many snow, some Crocus today:
Crocus biflorus ssp.???, Goktepe, Turkey, geneticly similar Cr.bifl.ssp tauri
'' cyprius
'' hartmannianus from C-Cyprus, this year in my list
'' korolkowii 'Golden Nugget'
There are many places named GOKTEPE in Turkey, which one, in which part of country grew this black anthered biflorus? It isn't taurii of course. I never hear about black anthered taurii.
Janis
Janis, i have this Crocus from Cambridge Bulbs under the name Crocus biflorus ssp.nubigena. I ask Helmut Kerndorff with a picture and location, he write me, this biflorus is geneticly similar Cr.biflorus ssp.tauri. Ok, the flower is more similar Cr.biflorus ssp.caricus. Correct names for ssp. from Cr. biflorus is a great mystery.
When I have seen this picture last year when Dirk posted here I thought that might be subsp. caricus but I saw this crocus on wild this week. I can say this is not caricus ofcourse not tauri too! by the leaves it looks to nubigena but not very clear. The strips are mostly on ceamy backround something like crewei. The location is in Caria where I was looking for caricus! This might be also something new! I wil try to compare with nubigena in my garden if there is any differents between. At first my nubigena has black spot on throath which this has not !!