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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Miriam on February 01, 2010, 08:22:15 PM
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Ranunculus asiaticus from my garden: orange and red forms.
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These are beautiful Miriam. Are they close to the wild plants?
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These are beautiful Miriam. Are they close to the wild plants?
No, they're probably on the other side of the fence ;D
cheers
fermi
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Wonderful plants Miriam!
I wonder single forms are so rare in cultivation, in my opinion much better (even shorter flowering) than the double (monster) forms.
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Miriam, veyr nice flowers, that seems to be quite smaller than western plants ???
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Magnificent blooms Miriam ... many thanks for posting.
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Thanks for your comments!
Lasley,
This species is quite common here, growing not far from where I live.
Hans,
I think we have a similar taste in plants ;)
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Thanks for your comments!
Lesley,
This species is quite common here, growing not far from where I live.
Hans,
I think we have a similar taste in plants ;)
Miriam , like you and Hans I adore the single Ranunculus asiaticus - so beautyful . Could the orange form be a cross between the red and the yellow one ?
Otto.
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Miriam
lovely flowers and good to see. I think they would probably be the least hardy forms for us to grow. I am hopeful of mine surviving the winter with just a covering of bubble wrap. Previously I have always kept them frost free.I have the Mt Hermon form coming on from seed but I am keeping this warm at the moment
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One of my favourite plants! I grow several single flowered colour forms from various locations, and I also really dislike the double forms. The clone 'Ken Aslet',which has broad overlapping petals and often looks semi-double, is beautiful though.
I've never seen an orange one. My crosses of red x yellow often produce yellow flowers with a reddish tint on the back of the petals but I've never had a true orange. Lovely pictures Miriam.
Tony - I've a number of accidental two year old seedlings in my bulb frame, with only a top cover for protection, and they have been unaffected by the recent cold weather. Newly germinated seedlings were killed though. 'Ken Aslet' (originating from Rhodes I think) is reputed to be fully hardy and it probably helps that it comes into growth very late here. I've not tried any of my plants from Israeli seed outside and suspect you might be right about these being the least hardy.
If anyone is interested - I've written up my experiences with growing this in the UK as a little article for the Rock Garden. Anton hopes to publish it in July.
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If anyone is interested - I've written up my experiences with growing this in the UK as a little article for the Rock Garden. Anton hopes to publish it in July.
Very much looking forward to reading that Darren.
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Otto and Darren,
The common form here is the red form. Orange and yellow forms are more rare.
The yellow color is present also in the regular form (the red form) as a back ground color, but it is hidden by the red color, so it doesn't appear (yet it contributes to the color tends to orange in the red form).
When the the red color is lacking (partially or entirely), then the orange (red+yellow) or yellow colors will appear.
I have raised my orange form from seeds collected from a red form X red form.
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The only asiaticus I have is a garden centre "monster" double red and like everyone here I think, I like the singles much more. I have a few seedlings from mine which I hope will be single, but the red was pollinated with R. cortusifolius.
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This is my first to flower this year. It is the same clone which featured in the 2009 Northumberland Show report and is one of the results of my crossing the yellow & red forms. I did have a much better clone with an almost solid bronze/red reverse but it was soon lost. I'm pretty sure this isn't a viral effect in this case.
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Darren that is nice a lovely colour. Hope you are bringing it on Thursday evening so I can see it in the flesh
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That is REALLY beautiful Darren. The black centre gives it such character and strength. Lovely golden yellow too. A stunner. 8)
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Thanks, both of you.
I hope to bring it on thursday yes, Tony. There is a normal red in flower too.
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Can I divide buttercups, R. acris, now?
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This is my first to flower this year. It is the same clone which featured in the 2009 Northumberland Show report and is one of the results of my crossing the yellow & red forms. I did have a much better clone with an almost solid bronze/red reverse but it was soon lost. I'm pretty sure this isn't a viral effect in this case.
Saw it in real life this evening,it is wonderful,the colour is so rich.To say I was envious is an understatement!
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Saw it in real life this evening,it is wonderful,the colour is so rich.To say I was envious is an understatement!
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Okay Tony you have made me jealous, still its great that to see Darren's plants on the forum.
Angie :)
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John Grimshaw 'finds' double green florist Ranunculus in Holland
http://johngrimshawsgardendiary.blogspot.com/2010/03/extraordinary-ranunculus.html (http://johngrimshawsgardendiary.blogspot.com/2010/03/extraordinary-ranunculus.html)
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That is horrible!
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Utterly disgusting. I thought he was a man of good taste yet talks of wanting to bring bulbs into the UK. Unbelievable!
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That is horrible!
Couldn't agree more, Tony ...
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Yuck!
With knobs on.
Just the kind of thing Glyphosate was invented for.
Lesley - interested that your cross with cortusifolius worked - I've not had any luck crossing asiaticus with anything else. Please let us know what the flowers are like.
For the record I did once get seed from successful crossing of calandrinioides and gramineus the one year I had a late flower on one and an early flower on the other. The seedlings were intermediate in foliage & very vigorous but the flowers had no petals at all! Just a couple of little green stubs around the (sterile) reproductive bits.
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a few anemones
Anemone petiolulosa
a couple of sp from Greece
and the first Ranunculus asiaticus
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Gorgeous little series Tony !!!
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Very pretty Tony (the plants I mean, not you ;D )
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Lovely plants Tony, really like the pale lemon Ranunculus.
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Does anyone know if Anemone eranthoides and A. baissunensis can be grown outside and where?
A. eranthoides flowers very well stuck in a small pot. 5 flowers this year. Never sets seed.
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Does anyone know if Anemone eranthoides and A. baissunensis can be grown outside and where?
Mark, both these Anemones are susceptible to summer wet , even needing a drier season,as opposed to just tolerating a wettish season, so I would be doubtful about trying them outside anywhere in the UK :-\
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well .... from the time I have had them they have stayed outside all summer and winter until buds appear :o The other has never flowered.
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I'm interested to hear that, Mark..... your summers can be pretty good, though, can't they?
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Darren, I have done the pollination of R. cortusaefolius x asiaticus but as yet, they're young and no flowers. I'm not even sure that the seedlings are the cross. However, it is possible and has been done successfully by an Australian friend. I've seen the plants in flower and they are lovely, with variation between bronzy yellows to almost reds. Cortusaefolius is the seed parent. Here is a picture, spring 2008.
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Somewhere I have a picture of the plant in flower, from which the one in the glass was picked. Can't find it at present. My friend has been doing this cross for several years and says the seedlings are sterile.
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Gorgeous flower, flower! :D
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Not really Maggi. Last year April was hot as was September. In between it rained.
Maybe one of my troughs would be good. Moist in the winter and dry in the summer.
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In a trough it would be easier to give them a cover if the weather was too wet, i suppose.
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Darren, I have done the pollination of R. cortusaefolius x asiaticus but as yet, they're young and no flowers. I'm not even sure that the seedlings are the cross. However, it is possible and has been done successfully by an Australian friend. I've seen the plants in flower and they are lovely, with variation between bronzy yellows to almost reds. Cortusaefolius is the seed parent. Here is a picture, spring 2008.
Lesley, a striking plant, the dark buds are attractive too, but the orange-red flower, let me put my sunglasses on. 8)
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In a trough it would be easier to give them a cover if the weather was too wet, i suppose.
and would if I remember to cover a tuber I can't see!
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Who are you calling flower, flower? :D
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Who are you calling flower, flower? :D
A digression......
Does anyone else remember fondly, as I do, in the film Bambi, the young Bambi leaning down, sniffing a huge patch of flowers, then standing up, with a butterfly on his nose and a Skunk appearing in the middle of the flowers: Bambi looks at the Skunk and says "Flower!" :D
Ahhh! I remember it well.... I had a "Viewmaster" with a Bambi disc on it :) 8 (actually, up in the loft, I probably still have it!)
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Who are you calling flower, flower? :D
A digression......
Does anyone else remember fondly, as I do, in the film Bambi, the young Bambi leaning down, sniffing a huge patch of flowers, then standing up, with a butterfly on his nose and a Skunk appearing in the middle of the flowers: Bambi looks at the Skunk and says "Flower!" :D
Ahhh! I remember it well.... I had a "Viewmaster" with a Bambi disc on it :) 8 (actually, up in the loft, I probably still have it!)
Who could forget - it was a lovely image.
I remember Viewmaster too but didn't have the Bambi discs.
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Lesley - that is really beautiful. I must try to get a plant of cortusifolius and try to recreate it!
Mark - I agree with Maggi. I think you have been lucky to keep that anemone if outside for the summer. This group really do like to be dry during the summer. Also you won't get seed without two clones.
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A :) digression - And I remember Maurice Chevalier saying "Ah yes, I remember it well." Where? "Gigi" maybe" but I can't remember what it was he remembered.
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A :) digression - And I remember Maurice Chevalier saying "Ah yes, I remember it well." Where? "Gigi" maybe" but I can't remember what it was he remembered.
I REMEMBER IT WELL
From "Gigi" (1958)
(Lyrics : Alan Jay Lerner / Frederick Loewe)
Honore (Maurice Chevalier) & Mamita (Hermione Gingold)
H: We met at nine
M: We met at eight
H: I was on time
M: No, you were late
H: Ah, yes, I remember it well
We dined with friends
M: We dined alone
H: A tenor sang
M: A baritone
H: Ah, yes, I remember it well
That dazzling April moon!
M: There was none that night
And the month was June
H: That's right. That's right.
M: It warms my heart to know that you
remember still the way you do
H: Ah, yes, I remember it well
H: How often I've thought of that Friday
M: Monday
H: night when we had our last rendezvous
And somehow I foolishly wondered if you might
By some chance be thinking of it too?
That carriage ride
M: You walked me home
H: You lost a glove
M: I lost a comb
H: Ah, yes, I remember it well
That brilliant sky
M: We had some rain
H: Those Russian songs
M: From sunny Spain
H: You wore a gown of gold
M: I was all in blue
H: Am I getting old?
M: Oh, no, not you
How strong you were
How young and gay
A prince of love
In every way
H: Ah, yes, I remember it well
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Does anyone grow Anemone eranthoides and could spare a tuber?
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Does anyone grow Anemone eranthoides and could spare a tuber?
I think it is offered by Antoine Hoog (at least was some years ago). I'm not very succesful with it, have only a pair of tubers.
Janis
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I REMEMBER IT WELL
From "Gigi" (1958) :D
(Lyrics : Alan Jay Lerner / Frederick Loewe)
Honore (Maurice Chevalier) & Mamita (Hermione Gingold)
H: We met at nine
M: We met at eight
H: I was on time
M: No, you were late
H: Ah, yes, I remember it well
We dined with friends
M: We dined alone
H: A tenor sang
M: A baritone
H: Ah, yes, I remember it well
That dazzling April moon!
M: There was none that night
And the month was June
H: That's right. That's right.
M: It warms my heart to know that you
remember still the way you do
H: Ah, yes, I remember it well
H: How often I've thought of that Friday
M: Monday
H: night when we had our last rendezvous
And somehow I foolishly wondered if you might
By some chance be thinking of it too?
That carriage ride
M: You walked me home
H: You lost a glove
M: I lost a comb
H: Ah, yes, I remember it well
That brilliant sky
M: We had some rain
H: Those Russian songs
M: From sunny Spain
H: You wore a gown of gold
M: I was all in blue
H: Am I getting old?
M: Oh, no, not you
How strong you were
How young and gay
A prince of love
In every way
H: Ah, yes, I remember it well
Ah, yes, I remember it well, NOW. Thanks Cliff.
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You are an old smoothy Cliff Booker ;D
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You are an old smoothy Cliff Booker ;D
Clean shaven this very morning, Mr. N. (and less of the 'old' please)? :D
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;D ;D
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some different colours in flower. The orange and red one is from Darren.
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The fourth one is very luscious. :D
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green with envy over the R. asiaticus
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I pulled apart my R. acris Hedgehog and have some to spare. Does anyone have forms of R. acris to swap?
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a few more Ranunculus asiaticus. I am pleased with the one with the yellow centre which is an unusual form
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R. asiaticus is amazing I do love the white one 8)
Angie :)
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a few more Ranunculus asiaticus. I am pleased with the one with the yellow centre which is an unusual form
I think you can be pleased with all of them Tony ! 8)
They look great !!
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I agree - they all look great Tony. You know, I'd never seen one with a yellow centre until last week in Crete (picture below). Now I see you have one!
Also pictured is the PC clone 'Ken Aslet', though the picture does not do justice to the intensity of the colour of this form, which has a lustrous sheen too.
Then a potful of a white form.
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Good hols, Darren?
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Yes thanks Maggi. Got there two days before the volcano went up and was not due to return until long after the excitement was over so was luckily unaffected! AND I've been away for all the disruption of the new kitchen being fitted, AND I've missed almost all the fuss about all those lying thieving swine trying to get elected next week! AND I've pigged out on lovely Greek food, wine & raki, without gaining a single ounce in weight.
Back to work on tuesday :'(
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green with envy over those asiaticus
How did you two keep them going over the winter?
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I think they are hardier than many people think Mark - I've some red ones flowering in a frame outside which certainly experienced -9C, with a cover only to keep the rain out. The 'Ken Aslet' clone is reputed to be very hardy also. Cold and wet, or pots freezing through are probably the bigger danger, rather than cold alone.
Just flowering now are some seedlings from a recent Archibald collection in Turkey, at very high altitude for the species, which he postulates will be hardy also.
My potted plants are kept just frost free with my south african stuff during winter.
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To illustrate my remarks above - here is the JJA collection from Turkey and a picture of some stray seedlings of other red forms flowering with Iris hoogiana and Ranunculus millefoliatus in the bulb frame.
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Ranunculus millefoliatus in the bulb farme!? Mine grow very happily outside in the garden and in a trough
This is the one in a trough nestled among Galanthus, Geranium peloponnesiacum, Geranium sanguinium small prostrate form and an Erodium
Geranium peloponnesiacum is brilliant for spring flowers when most other geraniums are only in tight bud
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That is interesting Mark. Mine used to be in a pot but I put it out into the frame as this tends to be my trial area for things which I'm not sure about suitability for outdoor life. I'll remember this next time I empty the frame. There is another mediterranean Ranunculus species in here whose name escapes me but this I rescued from the garden after it proved to be a slug magnet. The bit I left in the garden has done really well too this year as we seem to have had a fairly mollusc-free spring so far.
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They survived -11 in the garden.
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Ranunculus spec. Tien Shan today.
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That is a lovely plant Wolfgang. Mr Booker will be making whimpering noises. :D
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That is a lovely plant Wolfgang. Mr Booker will be making whimpering noises. :D
Even in New York State, Lesley ... ! ;D
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You'll be suffering alpine buttercup withdrawal symptoms, Cliff.... are you getting any USA buttery fixes?
When are they letting you come home? You must be shattered.
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You'll be suffering alpine buttercup withdrawal symptoms, Cliff.... are you getting any USA buttery fixes?
When are they letting you come home? You must be shattered.
We actually arrived home this morning Maggi ... after overnight flights from Newburgh via Philadelphia to Manchester. We are now trying to stay awake to avoid jet-lag. Three and a half weeks of spectacular locations, amazing people, incredible hospitality and truly beautiful gardens. We enjoyed every second and amassed over 1500 images. Our thanks to NARGS and everyone involved for giving us this wonderful opportunity.
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Good to know you and Sue are safely returned to us, Cliff.
Not easily achieved with ash clouds and strike action!
Will Ollie remember you??! ;)
It must indeed have been a terrific tour..... I imagine that all your hosts and audiences have enjoyed your visit immensely. Very exciting to have NARGS provide such a great opportunity..... a trip that will bring great memories, I'm sure. Not to mention spawning several new Talks!!
Hope the time shift rehabilitation goes well!
M
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We actually arrived home this morning Maggi ... after overnight flights from Newburgh via Philadelphia to Manchester. We are now trying to stay awake to avoid jet-lag. Three and a half weeks of spectacular locations, amazing people, incredible hospitality and truly beautiful gardens. We enjoyed every second and amassed over 1500 images. Our thanks to NARGS and everyone involved for giving us this wonderful opportunity.
Cliff, sorry to have missed the chance to meet you and see your presentation to the Beskshire Chapter NARGS meeting, I hear it was terrific. I have two email addresses, one of which I often neglect for days at a time. Then on Saturday moning, the morning of your presentation, I check my neglected email and see an invite from Peter George to drive out together to see your presentation... at that point it was already too late to make the 2 hour drive across the State... drat! Not sure what gardens you might have had a chance to see in the area, but I will be posting pics of Peter George's most excellent rock gardens on the NARGS forum, and will post a link here after I've done that.
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Many thanks Mark ... it would have been lovely to meet you in person and to share some thoughts and the odd beer or three. It was good to meet Peter and the rest of the Berkshire Chapter - what a splendid group of plants people. We were treated so royally by everyone we met on the tour and Massachusetts proved a beautiful and most welcoming State for our opening presentations.